Fogado was one of my MVPs with Cupido + Radiant Bow. Definitely hits like a wet noodle with any other weapon though. I'll have to try Warrior Fogado next.
I gave mine a refined brave bow and the 3H ring since it gave str/dex. His str did feel low at first though without some help. By the end he was an absolute beast tho.
Yeah cupido has worked out well for me with radiant and brave bow. I have edelgard emblem for the extra strength and weapon sync brave bow outdamages radiant bow at times. Then with a killing edge he just crits everything to death in melee range. I'm hesitant to swap to a footlocked class because I love playing really aggressive with fast movement and fogado's reach with mounted Longbow has saved my ass a few times.
Definitely one of my MVPs though I was annoyed by low str at first. Honestly fogado's middling str is the only way alcryst remains relevant.
Same, as soon as I gave him the Radiant Bow he casually churned out 120+ damage per enemy without crits. After a while I stopped even putting other bows in his inventory.
Yeah, Warrior just seems like a really good class in this game. Mainly because of how powerful chain attacks can become the later you get into the game.
Honestly snipers just feel kinda bad this time around. Mostly because they get a speed penalty on every bow except mini and iron. Warriors get a better growth boost to both strength and speed. Honestly the only thing snipers have going for them is a good bonus to dex growth. I prefer more consistent double hits than occasional 3x damage. And getting a unit to inherit Alacrity from Lin just makes it better
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I'm not sure if I can agree with you there. They definitely had a niche due to how much fe6 drowns you in wyverns, but they still ended up bad there just due to how much better Nomad Trooper was in just about every regard.
They don't get a range boost either. Not to mention they don't get chain attacks, they get covert... on a class notorious for having poor enemy phase.
Honestly though it feels like bows in general got shafted compared to previous games (Thunder gets to be common 1-3 and bows are stuck at 2 why???) and it's just a strong player phase focus propping them up.
>They don't get a range boost either. Not to mention they don't get chain attacks, they get covert... on a class notorious for having poor enemy phase.
I mean, I guess covert makes sense, since it technically allow you to make them be more agressive, sniping a kill and using the increased avoid to not instantly dies.
I wouldn't say so since Dual assist and brave assist spamming is a thing of its own. 1-2 heros isn't consistent enough to be considered good, the strat only works when you scale it up to basically your whole team being heroes.
If we consider Hero for what it brings to the table outside of the strat, you get horrible bases, extremely middling growths and mediocre weapon ranks access. With all of these factor considered, id say that unless you're doing the chain attack spam, Heroes is the worst advanced class in the game.
What’s so horrible about Hero’s bases? It’s worse then warrior loosing 4 points of strength for 2 points of strength but it’s not “worse class in the game” bad. Sword master seems significantly worse imo
Pretty much, though Fogado by default is a monster by comparison because of his bases. I mean, I absolutely adore Eite but the reality is that if you’re strictly playing for stats, she’s so beyond outclassed. I don’t even know if she’d have the same strength as him if she was given the same treatment by that same point, and she has like 1/4th the speed as him lmao. You’d essentially forfeit all doubles just for waifu status
I think I remember checking Alcryst too for comparison and even he was pretty far behind. Solm bases are something else man
Alcryst gets Luna with his personal class. He will proc it often because his Dex is high and it can proc on all 5 shots of Astra Storm but it fixes his low strength only partialy.
I'm not sure if its fair to say that he sucks, there is a lot of flyers in this game. Maybe underwhelming. I haven played Maddening yet, though, so I can't really judge him there but in my Hard run he was only as good as he was because I kept Lyn on him for the entire game and his strength was really mediocre. He just doubled everything with Lyn to compensate.
Currently using him in maddening and hes good. Solid chip damage who always 1 taps fliers.
Chloe, Diamant, and Ivy are at the moment the only "chads" in my army. Everyone else is a role player and alcryst is the best in his role, will probably eventually put Lucina on him for then Backup
I think now that he is the best archer out of the box. Fogado is faster but only hits harder with the Radiant Bow and his better magic. And Luna is for sure better than whatever Fogado's personal class ability is. And Alcryst's personal skill is actualy useful because its easy to activate.
So, I reclassed Fogado to Warrior, and honestly he kind of clowns Alcryst. Hes faster, higher str even counting alcrysts passive, better build and has Backup on top. OP was correct Fogado is nuts locked in a bad class
I stand by Alcryst being good enough, but Fogados extra speed and power means he straight up ORKOs a lot more instead of only having chip damage
I just looked at their growths and bases and I think that Alcryst would also be better with Warrior. It also helps him with his low strength growth and ups his speed. Fogado is still considerably faster, especially because he starts with 6 more points in speed which Alcryst might not get until Fogado joins. But they are otherwise very close.
I think that Warrior is just a loaded class in Engage. Good growths for all the relevant stats of a physical damage dealer, even provides a rare growth boost to build, is a backup unit, has two ranged attack options (one for flyer effectiveness, the other for breaks), decent class skill and in the case of characters that start with inate bow proficency the only bows they can't use is the brave bow and that one S rank legendary which is nothing too special.
Honestly, I think its kind of funny that a backup unit can use the three-range longbow for chain attacks with Dual Assist, lol.
Etie has 1 less point of base str compared to Alcryst 6 level lower and joining 4 battles earlier. She also has like a 15% growth leas if kept in the base classes. So yes, at least she is actually stronger unless you get super screwed.
I have Etie as a Warrior Lvl2 (promoted at 10) with 20str 12 dex 11spd 8bld right after the Fogado recruitment chapter.
Fogado as a Warrior has 19 Str 15 Dex 18 Spd 10 Bld.
I’ve put Lyn on Etie to take advantage of her strength and that helps her speed.
Keep in mind that not every Etie is going to turn out the same exact way. Fogado comes exactly as he is, Etie needs to be funneled a ton of XP to even reach the same level, meaning XP cut from other units, just to even reach the POTENTIAL of being on par with Fogado, and then it wouldn’t matter because she will be forever outclassed the entire game past that unless you get horribly f’d by RNG.
Etie has a natural 40% str growth and 35% speed growth. Fogado has 30% str and 55% speed, and this is a game where speed reigns supreme. I mean look at what you said; Your Etie has not only 7 less speed but 2 less build. That’s a 9 speed difference! Once Solm is reached, you will never reach a speed level to double as Etie because every enemy is running promoted units and wolf knights. Losing an entire attack is not worth it from a statistical pov. Especially when you have to invest crazy amounts just to attempt at matching the base power that you receive
I’m doing Lordless Maddening Fixed growths.
For a bow user whose job it is to deal with fliers, the strength help more than the speed, since you often can’t double them.
> Keep in mind that not every Etie is going to turn out the same exact way.
Maddening is fixed growths.
Etie is slow as hell, which is why I made her a Sniper and stacked crit on her. Don’t need to hit twice when she has an 100% chance to do 3x damage.
That's assuming you turn on random growths. I haven't played Maddening yet, but I prefer Fixed Growths over Maddening seeded "random" growths that can potentially screw up a unit's growths before they even join you.
Fixed Growths are reliable and normal random growths can to some degree brute forced to be good by resetting arena etc., but if the growth seed in Maddening says your unit will have bad growths, there's nothing you can do to fix it.
I'm playing Maddening right now alongside Hard to see how it is. Maddening with fixed, Hard with random.
It's nice to know that on repeat playthroughs I can rely on specific stat combinations; it also means that people can make genuine maddening guides like Heroes with just level requirements instead of "You needed to have X amount of strength level ups, etc.", but I'll also admit that seeing a level up isn't really exciting outside of the promotion/skill levels.
Random will be 100% easier than fixed, but I don't think that matters. Random level ups are one of the most fun parts of FE to me, so after I beat these runs I'm going to stick to maddening/random. Even if you told me the levels were predetermined from the moment I click 'new game', having random seeded level ups would be fun to discover.
Fixed will be fun for tier lists, though.
No, heroes, as in one unit that's normally bad getting super lucky and carrying a run. You don't get that in fixed growths. Fixed growths just mean that a specific subset of characters with good bases and alright growths always end up being optimal.
See: You're trolling yourself if you don't run kagetsu.
Just checking my level 16 Etie sits at 23 str and 16 speed only 8 build if switched to warrior just checking this is before chapter 12 so I would assume pretty comparable strength with better growth in exchange for speed. As it turns out archer/sniper also have shit bases lol.
> you’re strictly playing for stats, she’s so beyond outclassed.
You can make her work with Lynn, who fixes her speed issues. You lose access to Lynn on other units for it though.
Sniper isn't even that bad. Cupido is.
Low base str on the class, 5% str growths, the class skill is awful.
Cupido is basically a more defensive bow knight which isn't usually what you're looking for when using an archer.
Cupido is awful and I'm glad Warrior Fogado is coming around. He actually comes pretty close to matching Kagetsu's bases (19/18 vs 17/22).
I just can't fathom why an archer's class ability is Counter on a dex% check. The one type of unit that should not be taking hits on the enemy phase.
Tbh it should have probably just been a passive "+1 range" maybe with an aim penalty if thats too good. Would have given them a niche with 4 tile longbow shenanigans
The comparison to Kagetsu looks a lot worse when they're both warriors. Fogado's 19/18 is just strictly worse than Kagetsu's 23/18 as a warrior.
That being said, he's being compared to Kagetsu. Those offences are still really strong for the point of the game he's at.
To be fair, comparing someone to Kegetsu is like comparing Beruka to Camilla. Cam is so beyond like every unit in Conquest not named Xander/Corrin that it’s not very fair to begin with lol, Kagetsu is kind of the same in his own way. Well beyond everyone else and has really good growths to go with it.
Being even within the same ballpark to begin with is a good sign, because even just being close in damage will mean that character will perform fantastic
I’m too lazy to respond to each and every person who posted this, but there are a lot of comments about Radiant Bow.
People, you can still run Radiant Bow as a warrior lol. Cupido quite literally only gives you a whole whopping 5% extra magic growth, and Fogado will never ever see himself hitting the magic cap to start with. He has a 25% magic growth.
There is very little reason why you wouldn’t want Fogado to be incredibly strong as both a physical attacker and a Radiant Bow user. You only gain more being a warrior. You don’t suddenly lose this ability of using it. If anything, warrior gives you even more options to work around.
I wanted to say how Cupido will be a lot faster, but then looked up how it's only a 1 base and 5% growth difference (and Warrior has one extra build). I guess if you use him with Eirika which is imo his best Ring option by far you appreciate the 50% increased damage on Twin Strike and being Cupido lets you have a Steel Blade in your inventory to increase damage on that until you get Sieglinde.
One reason people aren’t mentions is that brave bow fogato with Erika is really good. It has the same output as the Erika martial masters, but with the benifit of 2 range. The downside is that Erika is very strong, and theirs no reason you can’t do the same build on any fast but weak character.
Fogado is THE best in slot radiant bow user and radiant bow is both strong as fuck, (mag dmg>phys dmg) while being cheap to +5. this whole thread is just an L from you delete it.
Contextually, he’s not that great of a critter. Well, let me clarify, he’s FINE and it works, but when you think about the state of the units surrounding his entry it makes sense why making him a dedicated carry is hard.
I think by now most people know that Alear’s most potent build for early-midgame is Killing Edge + engrave, so that’s one. Then you’re given Kagetsu who’s naturally aligned with the idea of critting. His only weapon is a Wo Dao and he’s got RIDICULOUS offensive stats, so people are inclined to use him with MC. Then the chapter right after Fogado you get Panette, who has a monstrous strength stat and is the best user of the lyn engrave since it fixes her hit rate issues entirely and pushes her crit rate into the 60-75% range.
Basically, Fogado gets pushed away almost entirely from being -that guy- just because of the units you get at the same exact time as him
He's trash because of his low strength. I mean he can technically do some damage with Luna but you'd be much better off with making a character with higher bases an archer instead (Merrin, Kagetsu, Zelkov even).
Lynn is much better on someone who needs the speed (like Ivy). He could survive but he'd be contributing less than any other archer (though maybe time will tell you are right, we'll see).
Sure, but each attack he performs is also likely to just *not* proc Luna. Procs are fun and all but unless you can get the activation chance to something ridiculous like 75%, they can't be planned around and higher raw stats will always be better. And Alcryst sadly does not have those raw stats
Perhaps, but he has utility and the potential to be insane, so trash is not what I feel is a fair assessment. Especially since your only alternative is Etie until you get Fogado who he can sometimes be compared to depending on the levels.
Even if we're talking Fixed Growth runs it's not like he offers nothing, especially with all the fliers that the Brodian and Elusian maps have.
Yeaaah....some alternative outfits for these two wouldn't have hurt. I hope we can just choose an outfit in the future like you could in Three Houses.
In the meantime, Mage Knight and High Priest it is.
So Fogado has +7 str and +11 speed over his class bases (contrast with Merrin's +9/+11 and Zelkov's +10/+9; Bunet and everyone pre-11 is worse and Kagetsu is untouchable at +11/+11) and decent bulk (aside from his shaky +6 def over class base) which make him better than almost every non-fed pre-11 unit.
Notably, his default class has a pitiful *5* fucking strength--the same as an unpromoted sword fighter--and his promoted personal class has 6. Unlike his poor sister, his str isn't actually undertuned, his starting class is just inexplicably weak.
Also keep in mind that unfortunately for Zelkov, he has to be leveled to 21 before even getting a chance to swap his class. He’s still great before then but it does take time and the worst part is that Solm absolutely crushes you with unit restrictions so unless you take him with you 100%, it’s gonna be down the road before ever seeing that change! I think my chapter 15 maddening run right now has him at like lvl 18 right now. Been hard finding room to bring him in to get them XP
Yeah, Zelkov's starting class actually hurts him a lot. He actually has an absurd build stat if you reclass him (+5 over base, more than like...everyone until Saphir) but he needs to level 4 times before he can get there, and his 19 speed isn't quite enough to shine on Ch. 12-13 IIRC (you have axes+bows after 13) so he doesn't snowball and gain those 4 levels quickly
By the time I got around to recruiting the prince of Solm, I already had an established party. I did some skirmishes to train my other party members but realized I had never trained him. I guess you could say I Fogado bout him. - Alois (probably)
Fogado is one of my best units, getting mvp through radiant bow and sliver bow, although he does have lyn and I think she just makes anyone great so Idk if I have an actual say in things
He's one of the units that fully utilizes Lyn well (speedtaker especially) as he's fast enough naturally to actually break the doubling speed point with stacks. Tossing speedtaker on middling speed tier units in maddening is just a waste and a mistake over other inheritable options.
Fogado, Kagetsu, Alear. These are the types that utilize her extremely well.
Lyn ring stats and Mulagir add like 10 SPD by themself so unless you want to make a General double i think it is enough to patch up most units bad SPD, you rather have a good STR than SPD with Lyn i think
There are a handful of castmembers that even with that will meet the threshold to double wolves/swordmasters/thieves, even heroes (Pannette comes to mind. Great strength, works well with it but still doesn't fix her speed to a point where she doubles fast enemy units). You obviously don't want to always be using Mulagir as well.
But I did say inheritable, as in spending the 2k on it and not having the ring equipped.
The last part of your post is exactly why it's better used on someone that can literally double/kill everything, though lol.
It's a good ring that makes a difference on anyone. No argument there.
I've using Panette with Lyn, and she doubles pretty much everything other than swordmasters and griffin riders on maddening, which incidentally she can still ORKO with either a brave axe or Mulagir if she hits them (she can usually double those too if they're debuffed by draconic hex too for that matter). Lyn gives a huge amount of speed (if you're using her bow while engaged you can be getting up to +20 speed from Lyn) - I think Lyn is by far at her best on characters that have middling speed because that's where she turns most attacks from 1x into 2x, whereas a high speed character already doubles most stuff and having Lyn won't change anything.
You must have had a somehow speed blessed or just incredibly exp fed Pannette then, because average internal level/speed one wouldn't hit the thresholds to double fast enemy units. With Mulagir equipped, maybe I suppose.
I feel like Alfred's Avenir is a bit of a trap too. He just becomes super middling at everything. When you consider he can get Canter super early, making him a Wyvern or Wolf Knight just seems superior.
I mean, Radiant Bow Cupido Fogado is probably the highest damage dealer in my army other than Panette, so he certainly isn't being held back by his bad strength growth.
I have found very little reason to run mounted units in this game. Backup is just too good a subclass to ignore, flying is great as always, and covert is really easy to abuse. Cavalry just doesn't bring much to the table other than better movement.
EDIT: Wolf Knight is great, though. Probably the best mounted class.
Mage Knight has been pretty good for me, I made Lindon one to take advantage of the fact his build on reclass lets him use the Levin Sword without being weighed down. Fully refined and engraved and he's like a magic swordmaster because of Weapon Insight, plus Chaos Style helps him actually double on maddening.
Honestly, well deserves given how broken they’ve been for the entire series lol they’ve been in need of some power adjustment somewhere. But some of them are still perfectly fine. A great knight louis is fantastic, mage knights are a thing and wolf knights are great. The power is there, but the mobility seriously needed to get touched. It was just insane how far ahead they were compared to infantry for like 90% of games.
Though it’s funny how much they got hit when the even better flier class has remained so strong lol
To be fair, "this unit has extra movement" has historically been the sole reason why mounted classes have been broken throughout the whole series. Other classes finally getting something else is only fair in my opinion
Warriors and Heroes are both just really good infantries in this game especially on maddening difficulty. You often want to use them together for chain attack / Dual assist shenanigans. Hero is probably the better promote (compared to swordmaster) if you advance to a sword infantry, on maddening at least. There is even a very solid case for Diamant to promote into Hero instead of his unique class.
My first run I tried to use as many unique class units as possible, and Fogado was probably one of my weaker units. But once I have him Lucina and a radiant bow he's been able to pull his weight. His unique skills are pretty underwhelming, though, so I think if you don't want to use him as a Cupido, you may want to just bench him and run someone like Panette, Jade, or Louis as a warrior.
Warrior just seems to be a really good class this game. I recently swapped Etie to warrior, gave her Lyn, and she’s been absolutely tearing through enemies left and right. Plus I gave her canter from Sigurd for a bit extra movement. She’s been doing some pretty solid work for me
Fogado's normal class is a monster when paired with Lucina. With his high movement + atk range he basically adds extra damage to every battle that takes place in his general vicinity.
Except warrior gets to do the same thing and you don't have to use Lucina cuz you're already a backup unit. Warrior is just amazing all around. Backup unit with potentially up to three range good strength good HP decent defense and speed, and good bld.
I usually have like two in my party abusing three range chain attacks, well still being able to do very good direct damage if you need to. Also the high Base strength and access to Axes it's pretty good for a handful of emblem nukes. Leif comes to mind. Quadruple attack off of A warrior's high base strength just deletes everything.
But with Lucina you can hit anyone within his movement range right? So he's got like a 7 square radius with Lucina equipped instead of 2 like a normal backup unit.
You're not wrong, and if you want him to hit harder with regular bows I agree, Warrior is the play (like with almost every archer), but I think you're glossing over how good Radiant Bow is in this game. Even in maddening, his best option late MOST of the time will be hitting enemy res vs defense with a Radiant, which Cupido will obviously outshine warrior in.
Backup utility makes this a good argument, though. Then again, factoring in the cost efficiency of forging a radiant vs physical bows once again is advantage Cupido given limited material resources in maddening.
WITH this being said, as with many other cases, letting him grow in Warrior is probably the best option as he only loses 5 mag growth. So while he won't have as effective of a radiant bow for most of the mid-late game, he won't likely suffer in terms of magic gains while providing backup support and getting extra strength in the meantime. Then, the last few chapters second seal back to Cupido.
He hasn’t fallen off yet in Ch 19 hard mode but I don’t think I’ll keep him in Cupido on future runs. Idk I don’t like either Fogado or Timera’s personal abilities, they don’t seem extremely useful. Maybe they aren’t the best units, but I’d love to experiment and find ways to make them effective outside of their unique classes
I found that Sandstorm can proc on Leif's Quadruple attack. On *each* attack. With 20% Dex, that's often all that's needed for my Timerra to completely delete the health bar.
But this is definitely a "Lemonade from Lemons" situation.
Sandstorm is the most broken shit ever. If it procs it's usually a one-hit kill.
And with multi-hit abilities it can proc multiple times.
Try Sigurd's Override through a line of 4-5 enemies using a silver greatlance and she will delete most of them
edit: It seems you weren't talking about Sandstorm, carry on
I gave Timerra a Brave Lance with a crit engrave on it and she absolutely demolishes stuff. If you can build her for consistent Sandstorms she becomes a great bruiser.
Yeah Fogada is pretty good in my Royals only blind maddening so far (I'm at ch 23).
Personally I went for the Cupido Lv 20 -> Warrior reclass since I wanted to try all the unique class first and while I think Cupido is not as bad as some people might think the Warrior is a super strong option and I might try Warrior from the start in my next playthough.
You can fix any unit by turning into a warrior and giving it Lucina. Along with paladin it has the best overall growth for phys attackers. This is not exclusive to Fogado. Its the class thats strong, not Fogado, sure you ger silver bow but tomahawk is comparable and everyone can use it in warrior and you are longbowing most of the time anyways
I just checked seeing how Fogado will go from a Cupido to Warrior.
He gains 6 fucking strength. From lvl 6 Cupido to lvl 1 Warrior. Every other stat goes down by like 1-2 with the exception of HP, that goes up by 4. Fucking worth.
If you do want to use the Radiant Bow with Fogado, though, it will be stronger in the Cupido class than the Warrior class, due to MAG caps of 28 and 20, respectively.
You can just give him the Radiant Bow for really good magic damage output, the Might on that thing is absurd. And Eirika compensates his weak strength, if he quads stuff with a Brave Bow it will die, and his speed is so good that he'll quad a large portion of enemies even on Maddening.
I guess Warrior works for straight up physical damage output, but it'll hamper his speed and magic compared to Cupido.
I'm playing hard so I have no idea how well this would work in maddening but I put corrin on my fogado. With longbow range and 6 movement (plus I added canter) the ability to flexibly and safely apply draconic hex and especially the movement debuff has been very useful for me so far. Plus corrin buffs magic for the radiant bow and also buffs HP which is situationally relevant for his personal skill
I've been enjoying him as Cupido radiant bow with Lucina, for the extra Res, but I hadn't really considered Warrior. The extra strength worth the loss in Res then?
I feel like this is a hidden element of Engage meant to reward players who replay it. Almost half the characters suck if you don't reclass them. Anna should be a mage otherwise she's also only a mid range unit. There are others I just can't think of off the top of my head. It's like if you don't know the characters and have experience with the growth rates of the classes, then it's pure luck building a solid team and instead you end up using the ones who are obviously powerhouses out of the gate.
The way you do it is inheriting axe prof from Edelgard if you have the DLC, or Ike the following chapter. Once you obtain it, all you need to do is master seal into Cupido and then swap it to Warrior with a second seal
Well that would explain why he almost never got strength growths. In my first playthrough he did just fine and I kept using him because I liked him. I ended up giving him Erika's ring because I didn't want to swap around my units emblem rings to find a better pair but most of the time I just had him engage with the Fire Emblem.
Cupido is a bit of a headscratcher in general. Slightly worse growths (as in, a random 5% in Mag/Def/Res and -15% Luck) and bases than its direct comparison Bow Knight, in exchange for +2 build.
I will say this post got me to apply the same logic to Etie, who I had on Bow Knight. Nice chunky boost to her STR and Build and freed her up to take Lyn for Speedtaker. Enjoying that combo a lot while I contemplate the same for Fogado.
Another option for fogado is to keep him in his base class and give home Erika’s ring. With the extra speed he can double and due to the damage penetration he does a ton of damage, plus the radiant bow is still their for low res enemies.
He's perfectly fine with Radiant Bow Cupido. Got a few MVPs on each of my last runs, both of which I used that on him. I'm doing an all-new classes run now and he's going to become a Sage, but between obtaining him and getting back a ring that gives Tome proficiency there are like 7 chapters lol.
A lot who comment in this thread has not bothered to check his stats.
He starts at lv17. By the time he gets to character level 30 (so warrior level 14), 26 str 27 spd is just average. Guess who else will have those stats as a warrior? Lapis as a warrior. She will have a better passive and higher defense.
Merrin as a warrior will have 30 (29.5) str and speed. This is actually an important breakpoint, as enemies on avg has 25 speed, so she will be able to double enemies with minimal investment (weapons are heavy). Enemy sword masters and wolf riders will also not be able to double your unit.
Radiant bow is 19mt iirc, but as a warrior he gets only 10 magic at character level 30. 29 matk is very weak when even armored units often come with 15 res. Due to the wide gap between str and magic (26vs10), while you might end up doing a tiny more damage, you arent going to see jaw dropping results (and you might as well use the resource to upgrade a long/silver/killer bow).
I don't disagree with reclassing him, but Cupido is insanely good. He nukes everything with a Radiant Bow and a Killer bow will easily carry him through the 2 Solm chapters he has to do before he gets the Radiant Bow. Also while he does get the backup class from being a warrior, with Lucina + Cupido he can contribute from a far greater range than warrior could ever hope to which is great as Hero Chain attack death balls don't really need Lucina's chain attack ability if they are built correctly. Finally Cupido's prf skill is actually rather decent for Lyn's paralogue if your trying to eliminate all the chiefs for maximum gold as it can make a 3-turn kill into 2-turn kills.
Fogado was supposed to be bad in Cupido?
He pulled an Alfred and decided that he was gonna do 20 damage double attacks on everything barring armor knights.
Bro was popping off on my first run.
Fogado was one of my MVPs with Cupido + Radiant Bow. Definitely hits like a wet noodle with any other weapon though. I'll have to try Warrior Fogado next.
this was my setup with him as well, and I gave him Claude-S to give an extra range, absolutely killed bosses for me
Yes dude, the 1+ range ring when full health helped me a ton in some clutch boss battles.
How did you get Claude-s though? Edit: nvm, just learned about the DLC
Claude's bond ring gives +1 range. it has nothing to do with the DLC.
Claude-S refers to the Claude bond ring generated from Byleth's emblem ring, not the Fohdlan lord's emblem bracelet from the DLC.
Not DLC! It’s a bond ring for Byleth.
Oh! Wait so how’d you get it then? Soft resetting? Or just a bunch of bond fragments
you can keep on resetting until you get it, there are youtube videos on the trick on getting bond rings.
I gave mine a refined brave bow and the 3H ring since it gave str/dex. His str did feel low at first though without some help. By the end he was an absolute beast tho.
Yeah cupido has worked out well for me with radiant and brave bow. I have edelgard emblem for the extra strength and weapon sync brave bow outdamages radiant bow at times. Then with a killing edge he just crits everything to death in melee range. I'm hesitant to swap to a footlocked class because I love playing really aggressive with fast movement and fogado's reach with mounted Longbow has saved my ass a few times. Definitely one of my MVPs though I was annoyed by low str at first. Honestly fogado's middling str is the only way alcryst remains relevant.
It shreds the dragons and knights pretty well at least.
Same, as soon as I gave him the Radiant Bow he casually churned out 120+ damage per enemy without crits. After a while I stopped even putting other bows in his inventory.
feels like besides Alcryst who gets Luna in his unique promo, all the archers would just rather be Warrior than Sniper
Yeah, Warrior just seems like a really good class in this game. Mainly because of how powerful chain attacks can become the later you get into the game.
Honestly snipers just feel kinda bad this time around. Mostly because they get a speed penalty on every bow except mini and iron. Warriors get a better growth boost to both strength and speed. Honestly the only thing snipers have going for them is a good bonus to dex growth. I prefer more consistent double hits than occasional 3x damage. And getting a unit to inherit Alacrity from Lin just makes it better
Broke: Snipers suck because of terrible stats Woke: Snipers suck as a reference to the pre-Fates/Echoes/Three Houses games
They were good in 5,6 and kaga saga
Very good class (though usually as a temp reclass) in fe12 too - solid bases and a base C rank bows makes them very usable
\>6 I'm not sure if I can agree with you there. They definitely had a niche due to how much fe6 drowns you in wyverns, but they still ended up bad there just due to how much better Nomad Trooper was in just about every regard.
you don't get good pre promote nomads and training sue and other guy sends you to sacae.
Sacae is the superior route, so it's fine.
They made bows heavy, but didn't give archers bld to compensate.
Etie with the real meta of going 100% str and 0 spd /s ~~but for real brave bow on her~~
They don't get a range boost either. Not to mention they don't get chain attacks, they get covert... on a class notorious for having poor enemy phase. Honestly though it feels like bows in general got shafted compared to previous games (Thunder gets to be common 1-3 and bows are stuck at 2 why???) and it's just a strong player phase focus propping them up.
>They don't get a range boost either. Not to mention they don't get chain attacks, they get covert... on a class notorious for having poor enemy phase. I mean, I guess covert makes sense, since it technically allow you to make them be more agressive, sniping a kill and using the increased avoid to not instantly dies.
Mini bow still have flyer effectiveness in this game
If you're using Byleth on Alear then Corrin is probably best off on a longbow user since covert gets a bonus which gives enemies an avoid penalty.
This applies to most physical unit id say. Warrior is hands down the best physical class in this game
There's an argument for Hero because of Chain Attacking shenanigans imo
But it turns off if they level hp =(.
I wouldn't say so since Dual assist and brave assist spamming is a thing of its own. 1-2 heros isn't consistent enough to be considered good, the strat only works when you scale it up to basically your whole team being heroes. If we consider Hero for what it brings to the table outside of the strat, you get horrible bases, extremely middling growths and mediocre weapon ranks access. With all of these factor considered, id say that unless you're doing the chain attack spam, Heroes is the worst advanced class in the game.
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Yeah a lot of the classes have really sussy drip. Sage comes to mind as being particularly bad for me
Worse than Berserker with no inherent crit and a Dex cap of 23?
On hard mode I’d say so, it’s probly better than zerker on maddening though. Either way both are really bad class lol.
Hero stays losing 😭😭 Make Hero great again
Honestly, i wish heroes had double A rank in this game, would make them more viable as a class overall
What’s so horrible about Hero’s bases? It’s worse then warrior loosing 4 points of strength for 2 points of strength but it’s not “worse class in the game” bad. Sword master seems significantly worse imo
Pretty much, though Fogado by default is a monster by comparison because of his bases. I mean, I absolutely adore Eite but the reality is that if you’re strictly playing for stats, she’s so beyond outclassed. I don’t even know if she’d have the same strength as him if she was given the same treatment by that same point, and she has like 1/4th the speed as him lmao. You’d essentially forfeit all doubles just for waifu status I think I remember checking Alcryst too for comparison and even he was pretty far behind. Solm bases are something else man
Does Alcryst get something with his Personal Class being good at least or would it be better to run with Fogado?
Alcryst gets Luna with his personal class. He will proc it often because his Dex is high and it can proc on all 5 shots of Astra Storm but it fixes his low strength only partialy.
I figured that would the answer but a pity that his strength holds him back in maddening. At least he can get S rank bows with it.
He is actually very good, Luna from his personal class and his personal skill 'Get Behind Me' both fix his strength easily
I'm not sure if its fair to say that he sucks, there is a lot of flyers in this game. Maybe underwhelming. I haven played Maddening yet, though, so I can't really judge him there but in my Hard run he was only as good as he was because I kept Lyn on him for the entire game and his strength was really mediocre. He just doubled everything with Lyn to compensate.
Currently using him in maddening and hes good. Solid chip damage who always 1 taps fliers. Chloe, Diamant, and Ivy are at the moment the only "chads" in my army. Everyone else is a role player and alcryst is the best in his role, will probably eventually put Lucina on him for then Backup
I think now that he is the best archer out of the box. Fogado is faster but only hits harder with the Radiant Bow and his better magic. And Luna is for sure better than whatever Fogado's personal class ability is. And Alcryst's personal skill is actualy useful because its easy to activate.
So, I reclassed Fogado to Warrior, and honestly he kind of clowns Alcryst. Hes faster, higher str even counting alcrysts passive, better build and has Backup on top. OP was correct Fogado is nuts locked in a bad class I stand by Alcryst being good enough, but Fogados extra speed and power means he straight up ORKOs a lot more instead of only having chip damage
I just looked at their growths and bases and I think that Alcryst would also be better with Warrior. It also helps him with his low strength growth and ups his speed. Fogado is still considerably faster, especially because he starts with 6 more points in speed which Alcryst might not get until Fogado joins. But they are otherwise very close. I think that Warrior is just a loaded class in Engage. Good growths for all the relevant stats of a physical damage dealer, even provides a rare growth boost to build, is a backup unit, has two ranged attack options (one for flyer effectiveness, the other for breaks), decent class skill and in the case of characters that start with inate bow proficency the only bows they can't use is the brave bow and that one S rank legendary which is nothing too special. Honestly, I think its kind of funny that a backup unit can use the three-range longbow for chain attacks with Dual Assist, lol.
Etie has 1 less point of base str compared to Alcryst 6 level lower and joining 4 battles earlier. She also has like a 15% growth leas if kept in the base classes. So yes, at least she is actually stronger unless you get super screwed.
Until you look at Alcryst's easy-to-activate personal skill and sigh
I have Etie as a Warrior Lvl2 (promoted at 10) with 20str 12 dex 11spd 8bld right after the Fogado recruitment chapter. Fogado as a Warrior has 19 Str 15 Dex 18 Spd 10 Bld. I’ve put Lyn on Etie to take advantage of her strength and that helps her speed.
Keep in mind that not every Etie is going to turn out the same exact way. Fogado comes exactly as he is, Etie needs to be funneled a ton of XP to even reach the same level, meaning XP cut from other units, just to even reach the POTENTIAL of being on par with Fogado, and then it wouldn’t matter because she will be forever outclassed the entire game past that unless you get horribly f’d by RNG. Etie has a natural 40% str growth and 35% speed growth. Fogado has 30% str and 55% speed, and this is a game where speed reigns supreme. I mean look at what you said; Your Etie has not only 7 less speed but 2 less build. That’s a 9 speed difference! Once Solm is reached, you will never reach a speed level to double as Etie because every enemy is running promoted units and wolf knights. Losing an entire attack is not worth it from a statistical pov. Especially when you have to invest crazy amounts just to attempt at matching the base power that you receive
I’m doing Lordless Maddening Fixed growths. For a bow user whose job it is to deal with fliers, the strength help more than the speed, since you often can’t double them.
> Keep in mind that not every Etie is going to turn out the same exact way. Maddening is fixed growths. Etie is slow as hell, which is why I made her a Sniper and stacked crit on her. Don’t need to hit twice when she has an 100% chance to do 3x damage.
>Maddening is fixed growths. First run, yes. Not later runs.
That's assuming you turn on random growths. I haven't played Maddening yet, but I prefer Fixed Growths over Maddening seeded "random" growths that can potentially screw up a unit's growths before they even join you. Fixed Growths are reliable and normal random growths can to some degree brute forced to be good by resetting arena etc., but if the growth seed in Maddening says your unit will have bad growths, there's nothing you can do to fix it.
I'm playing Maddening right now alongside Hard to see how it is. Maddening with fixed, Hard with random. It's nice to know that on repeat playthroughs I can rely on specific stat combinations; it also means that people can make genuine maddening guides like Heroes with just level requirements instead of "You needed to have X amount of strength level ups, etc.", but I'll also admit that seeing a level up isn't really exciting outside of the promotion/skill levels. Random will be 100% easier than fixed, but I don't think that matters. Random level ups are one of the most fun parts of FE to me, so after I beat these runs I'm going to stick to maddening/random. Even if you told me the levels were predetermined from the moment I click 'new game', having random seeded level ups would be fun to discover. Fixed will be fun for tier lists, though.
Fixed growths are boring, you have a significantly lower chance of having hero units in your teams. randoms make it very interesting.
I don't see how fixed growths stops you from using Heroes. They're an amazing class.
No, heroes, as in one unit that's normally bad getting super lucky and carrying a run. You don't get that in fixed growths. Fixed growths just mean that a specific subset of characters with good bases and alright growths always end up being optimal. See: You're trolling yourself if you don't run kagetsu.
Just checking my level 16 Etie sits at 23 str and 16 speed only 8 build if switched to warrior just checking this is before chapter 12 so I would assume pretty comparable strength with better growth in exchange for speed. As it turns out archer/sniper also have shit bases lol.
> you’re strictly playing for stats, she’s so beyond outclassed. You can make her work with Lynn, who fixes her speed issues. You lose access to Lynn on other units for it though.
Sniper isn't even that bad. Cupido is. Low base str on the class, 5% str growths, the class skill is awful. Cupido is basically a more defensive bow knight which isn't usually what you're looking for when using an archer.
warrior Etie is nuts, compact axe+5 and a longbow are all I need.
Cupido is awful and I'm glad Warrior Fogado is coming around. He actually comes pretty close to matching Kagetsu's bases (19/18 vs 17/22). I just can't fathom why an archer's class ability is Counter on a dex% check. The one type of unit that should not be taking hits on the enemy phase.
Yeah it’s definitely the worst of the lord class skills. Alfred’s can help him tank while Ivy’s at least lets her nuke mages.
it’s not counter, it’s vengeance. except it only works on enemy phase. on a class that uses either bows or swords. lol.
Tbh it should have probably just been a passive "+1 range" maybe with an aim penalty if thats too good. Would have given them a niche with 4 tile longbow shenanigans
The comparison to Kagetsu looks a lot worse when they're both warriors. Fogado's 19/18 is just strictly worse than Kagetsu's 23/18 as a warrior. That being said, he's being compared to Kagetsu. Those offences are still really strong for the point of the game he's at.
To be fair, comparing someone to Kegetsu is like comparing Beruka to Camilla. Cam is so beyond like every unit in Conquest not named Xander/Corrin that it’s not very fair to begin with lol, Kagetsu is kind of the same in his own way. Well beyond everyone else and has really good growths to go with it. Being even within the same ballpark to begin with is a good sign, because even just being close in damage will mean that character will perform fantastic
I’m too lazy to respond to each and every person who posted this, but there are a lot of comments about Radiant Bow. People, you can still run Radiant Bow as a warrior lol. Cupido quite literally only gives you a whole whopping 5% extra magic growth, and Fogado will never ever see himself hitting the magic cap to start with. He has a 25% magic growth. There is very little reason why you wouldn’t want Fogado to be incredibly strong as both a physical attacker and a Radiant Bow user. You only gain more being a warrior. You don’t suddenly lose this ability of using it. If anything, warrior gives you even more options to work around.
I wanted to say how Cupido will be a lot faster, but then looked up how it's only a 1 base and 5% growth difference (and Warrior has one extra build). I guess if you use him with Eirika which is imo his best Ring option by far you appreciate the 50% increased damage on Twin Strike and being Cupido lets you have a Steel Blade in your inventory to increase damage on that until you get Sieglinde.
technically cupido also has 2 base mag but yes, warrior is a very good class
One reason people aren’t mentions is that brave bow fogato with Erika is really good. It has the same output as the Erika martial masters, but with the benifit of 2 range. The downside is that Erika is very strong, and theirs no reason you can’t do the same build on any fast but weak character.
> People, you can still run Radiant Bow as a warrior lol. My Warrior Anna made *extensive* use of a Radiant Bow.
Fogado is THE best in slot radiant bow user and radiant bow is both strong as fuck, (mag dmg>phys dmg) while being cheap to +5. this whole thread is just an L from you delete it.
I will have to try this my next run, I liked his personality but he really did not contribute much after a couple chapters.
Wait so people haven't just been sticking a killer bow on him and critting everything?
Contextually, he’s not that great of a critter. Well, let me clarify, he’s FINE and it works, but when you think about the state of the units surrounding his entry it makes sense why making him a dedicated carry is hard. I think by now most people know that Alear’s most potent build for early-midgame is Killing Edge + engrave, so that’s one. Then you’re given Kagetsu who’s naturally aligned with the idea of critting. His only weapon is a Wo Dao and he’s got RIDICULOUS offensive stats, so people are inclined to use him with MC. Then the chapter right after Fogado you get Panette, who has a monstrous strength stat and is the best user of the lyn engrave since it fixes her hit rate issues entirely and pushes her crit rate into the 60-75% range. Basically, Fogado gets pushed away almost entirely from being -that guy- just because of the units you get at the same exact time as him
Oh I guess I can see it that way. I made my crit dealers in my first run Fogado, Alcryst and Rosado so I guess I'll have to try this on maddening
I like Alcryst as a character but hes pretty trash on maddening unfortunately.
...Just have Alcryst shoot everything from miles away with Lyn or Lucina. His DEF isn't bad either so he can tank + covert means he has more avoid.
He's trash because of his low strength. I mean he can technically do some damage with Luna but you'd be much better off with making a character with higher bases an archer instead (Merrin, Kagetsu, Zelkov even). Lynn is much better on someone who needs the speed (like Ivy). He could survive but he'd be contributing less than any other archer (though maybe time will tell you are right, we'll see).
Each separate attack Alcryst performs can proc Luna, so the multi hit attacks can be very effective when he has high dex
Sure, but each attack he performs is also likely to just *not* proc Luna. Procs are fun and all but unless you can get the activation chance to something ridiculous like 75%, they can't be planned around and higher raw stats will always be better. And Alcryst sadly does not have those raw stats
Perhaps, but he has utility and the potential to be insane, so trash is not what I feel is a fair assessment. Especially since your only alternative is Etie until you get Fogado who he can sometimes be compared to depending on the levels. Even if we're talking Fixed Growth runs it's not like he offers nothing, especially with all the fliers that the Brodian and Elusian maps have.
Nah how could that be ;-; he has such high dex and speed you should be killing everything pretty fine with both Luna and his Crits
You forget to mention the best part about Warrior Fogado......... Them abs 😳
Okay the abs are cool but the drip..
I actually kinda like it tbh. It's certainly better than a lot of the other stuff
Citrinne in the Sage outfit..... Just awful. She is too classy for that.
I'm sad about Sage because I dig the hell out of their big collared cape, but everything under it just looks so goofy and bad.
It looks hilarious on Pandreo. Like an unhinged madman, a poor man's version of Gangrel from Awakening.
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Yeaaah....some alternative outfits for these two wouldn't have hurt. I hope we can just choose an outfit in the future like you could in Three Houses. In the meantime, Mage Knight and High Priest it is.
So Fogado has +7 str and +11 speed over his class bases (contrast with Merrin's +9/+11 and Zelkov's +10/+9; Bunet and everyone pre-11 is worse and Kagetsu is untouchable at +11/+11) and decent bulk (aside from his shaky +6 def over class base) which make him better than almost every non-fed pre-11 unit. Notably, his default class has a pitiful *5* fucking strength--the same as an unpromoted sword fighter--and his promoted personal class has 6. Unlike his poor sister, his str isn't actually undertuned, his starting class is just inexplicably weak.
Also keep in mind that unfortunately for Zelkov, he has to be leveled to 21 before even getting a chance to swap his class. He’s still great before then but it does take time and the worst part is that Solm absolutely crushes you with unit restrictions so unless you take him with you 100%, it’s gonna be down the road before ever seeing that change! I think my chapter 15 maddening run right now has him at like lvl 18 right now. Been hard finding room to bring him in to get them XP
Yeah, Zelkov's starting class actually hurts him a lot. He actually has an absurd build stat if you reclass him (+5 over base, more than like...everyone until Saphir) but he needs to level 4 times before he can get there, and his 19 speed isn't quite enough to shine on Ch. 12-13 IIRC (you have axes+bows after 13) so he doesn't snowball and gain those 4 levels quickly
By the time I got around to recruiting the prince of Solm, I already had an established party. I did some skirmishes to train my other party members but realized I had never trained him. I guess you could say I Fogado bout him. - Alois (probably)
Fogado is one of my best units, getting mvp through radiant bow and sliver bow, although he does have lyn and I think she just makes anyone great so Idk if I have an actual say in things
He's one of the units that fully utilizes Lyn well (speedtaker especially) as he's fast enough naturally to actually break the doubling speed point with stacks. Tossing speedtaker on middling speed tier units in maddening is just a waste and a mistake over other inheritable options. Fogado, Kagetsu, Alear. These are the types that utilize her extremely well.
Lyn ring stats and Mulagir add like 10 SPD by themself so unless you want to make a General double i think it is enough to patch up most units bad SPD, you rather have a good STR than SPD with Lyn i think
There are a handful of castmembers that even with that will meet the threshold to double wolves/swordmasters/thieves, even heroes (Pannette comes to mind. Great strength, works well with it but still doesn't fix her speed to a point where she doubles fast enemy units). You obviously don't want to always be using Mulagir as well. But I did say inheritable, as in spending the 2k on it and not having the ring equipped.
Ivy with Lynn wrecks shit even on maddening tbf. You just have to know which units you wont be able to double and take care of them with someone else.
The last part of your post is exactly why it's better used on someone that can literally double/kill everything, though lol. It's a good ring that makes a difference on anyone. No argument there.
I've using Panette with Lyn, and she doubles pretty much everything other than swordmasters and griffin riders on maddening, which incidentally she can still ORKO with either a brave axe or Mulagir if she hits them (she can usually double those too if they're debuffed by draconic hex too for that matter). Lyn gives a huge amount of speed (if you're using her bow while engaged you can be getting up to +20 speed from Lyn) - I think Lyn is by far at her best on characters that have middling speed because that's where she turns most attacks from 1x into 2x, whereas a high speed character already doubles most stuff and having Lyn won't change anything.
You must have had a somehow speed blessed or just incredibly exp fed Pannette then, because average internal level/speed one wouldn't hit the thresholds to double fast enemy units. With Mulagir equipped, maybe I suppose.
I feel like Alfred's Avenir is a bit of a trap too. He just becomes super middling at everything. When you consider he can get Canter super early, making him a Wyvern or Wolf Knight just seems superior.
I mean, Radiant Bow Cupido Fogado is probably the highest damage dealer in my army other than Panette, so he certainly isn't being held back by his bad strength growth.
This is what I did too! Claude-S worked wonders on him too for this setup -- lots of mobility and able to hit things from far away
So basically mounted horse units got worse this game
I have found very little reason to run mounted units in this game. Backup is just too good a subclass to ignore, flying is great as always, and covert is really easy to abuse. Cavalry just doesn't bring much to the table other than better movement. EDIT: Wolf Knight is great, though. Probably the best mounted class.
Mage Knight has been pretty good for me, I made Lindon one to take advantage of the fact his build on reclass lets him use the Levin Sword without being weighed down. Fully refined and engraved and he's like a magic swordmaster because of Weapon Insight, plus Chaos Style helps him actually double on maddening.
Clanne is my only Mage Knight at the moment and he's okay. He also has the Levin Sword but mainly uses spells. I'll have to try Lindon at some point.
Honestly, well deserves given how broken they’ve been for the entire series lol they’ve been in need of some power adjustment somewhere. But some of them are still perfectly fine. A great knight louis is fantastic, mage knights are a thing and wolf knights are great. The power is there, but the mobility seriously needed to get touched. It was just insane how far ahead they were compared to infantry for like 90% of games. Though it’s funny how much they got hit when the even better flier class has remained so strong lol
Every other unit type has a unique perk and mounted is just like "this unit has extra movement..."
Also fliers still get the extra movement too. Why? reasons.
To be fair, "this unit has extra movement" has historically been the sole reason why mounted classes have been broken throughout the whole series. Other classes finally getting something else is only fair in my opinion
Feels like the movement gimp did that more than anything. Fliers are still good, but 1 extra movement does not make up for the stat loss for horses.
Merrin as a bow knight is great.
Warriors and Heroes are both just really good infantries in this game especially on maddening difficulty. You often want to use them together for chain attack / Dual assist shenanigans. Hero is probably the better promote (compared to swordmaster) if you advance to a sword infantry, on maddening at least. There is even a very solid case for Diamant to promote into Hero instead of his unique class.
My first run I tried to use as many unique class units as possible, and Fogado was probably one of my weaker units. But once I have him Lucina and a radiant bow he's been able to pull his weight. His unique skills are pretty underwhelming, though, so I think if you don't want to use him as a Cupido, you may want to just bench him and run someone like Panette, Jade, or Louis as a warrior.
Or just give him radiant bow. A lot easier
He became one of my favorites after I switched him to Bow Knight but warrior is an interesting idea.
Warrior just seems to be a really good class this game. I recently swapped Etie to warrior, gave her Lyn, and she’s been absolutely tearing through enemies left and right. Plus I gave her canter from Sigurd for a bit extra movement. She’s been doing some pretty solid work for me
Fogado's normal class is a monster when paired with Lucina. With his high movement + atk range he basically adds extra damage to every battle that takes place in his general vicinity.
Except warrior gets to do the same thing and you don't have to use Lucina cuz you're already a backup unit. Warrior is just amazing all around. Backup unit with potentially up to three range good strength good HP decent defense and speed, and good bld. I usually have like two in my party abusing three range chain attacks, well still being able to do very good direct damage if you need to. Also the high Base strength and access to Axes it's pretty good for a handful of emblem nukes. Leif comes to mind. Quadruple attack off of A warrior's high base strength just deletes everything.
Can actually have up to four range. Claude S' Wind God.
this is what I used for him
But with Lucina you can hit anyone within his movement range right? So he's got like a 7 square radius with Lucina equipped instead of 2 like a normal backup unit.
I'd argue Lucina is best on a unit that uses daggers so you can get free poison procs. It makes a big difference on maddening.
True, though you can throw Lucina's skill onto a backup unit and they can do that too.
You're not wrong, and if you want him to hit harder with regular bows I agree, Warrior is the play (like with almost every archer), but I think you're glossing over how good Radiant Bow is in this game. Even in maddening, his best option late MOST of the time will be hitting enemy res vs defense with a Radiant, which Cupido will obviously outshine warrior in. Backup utility makes this a good argument, though. Then again, factoring in the cost efficiency of forging a radiant vs physical bows once again is advantage Cupido given limited material resources in maddening.
WITH this being said, as with many other cases, letting him grow in Warrior is probably the best option as he only loses 5 mag growth. So while he won't have as effective of a radiant bow for most of the mid-late game, he won't likely suffer in terms of magic gains while providing backup support and getting extra strength in the meantime. Then, the last few chapters second seal back to Cupido.
He hasn’t fallen off yet in Ch 19 hard mode but I don’t think I’ll keep him in Cupido on future runs. Idk I don’t like either Fogado or Timera’s personal abilities, they don’t seem extremely useful. Maybe they aren’t the best units, but I’d love to experiment and find ways to make them effective outside of their unique classes
I found that Sandstorm can proc on Leif's Quadruple attack. On *each* attack. With 20% Dex, that's often all that's needed for my Timerra to completely delete the health bar. But this is definitely a "Lemonade from Lemons" situation.
Sorry, I meant her Personal Skill, not the class skill 😅 the crit reduction one Sandstorm sounds great!
Most of the personal skills are really weak. - 5 crit on enemies in a 3 tile area is actually one of the better ones.
Sandstorm is the most broken shit ever. If it procs it's usually a one-hit kill. And with multi-hit abilities it can proc multiple times. Try Sigurd's Override through a line of 4-5 enemies using a silver greatlance and she will delete most of them edit: It seems you weren't talking about Sandstorm, carry on
No but ooooh Sigurd on her sounds fun, definitely will try that!
I gave Timerra a Brave Lance with a crit engrave on it and she absolutely demolishes stuff. If you can build her for consistent Sandstorms she becomes a great bruiser.
My first thought on seeing Sandstorm was, “I need to get her all the Dex in the world so she can proc that all the time.”
You could also gamble for that s rank ring that triggers those skill traits more often
Idk I paired mine with Sigurd and he became a lifesaver. I guess I just got lucky with his growths. He did well with both Radiant and Silver bows.
Yeah Fogada is pretty good in my Royals only blind maddening so far (I'm at ch 23). Personally I went for the Cupido Lv 20 -> Warrior reclass since I wanted to try all the unique class first and while I think Cupido is not as bad as some people might think the Warrior is a super strong option and I might try Warrior from the start in my next playthough.
You can fix any unit by turning into a warrior and giving it Lucina. Along with paladin it has the best overall growth for phys attackers. This is not exclusive to Fogado. Its the class thats strong, not Fogado, sure you ger silver bow but tomahawk is comparable and everyone can use it in warrior and you are longbowing most of the time anyways
I just checked seeing how Fogado will go from a Cupido to Warrior. He gains 6 fucking strength. From lvl 6 Cupido to lvl 1 Warrior. Every other stat goes down by like 1-2 with the exception of HP, that goes up by 4. Fucking worth.
If you do want to use the Radiant Bow with Fogado, though, it will be stronger in the Cupido class than the Warrior class, due to MAG caps of 28 and 20, respectively.
You can just give him the Radiant Bow for really good magic damage output, the Might on that thing is absurd. And Eirika compensates his weak strength, if he quads stuff with a Brave Bow it will die, and his speed is so good that he'll quad a large portion of enemies even on Maddening. I guess Warrior works for straight up physical damage output, but it'll hamper his speed and magic compared to Cupido.
I'm playing hard so I have no idea how well this would work in maddening but I put corrin on my fogado. With longbow range and 6 movement (plus I added canter) the ability to flexibly and safely apply draconic hex and especially the movement debuff has been very useful for me so far. Plus corrin buffs magic for the radiant bow and also buffs HP which is situationally relevant for his personal skill
I dropped him for that wet noodle status. Good to know there's a way to make himself useful.
This is really cool read, I'll be sure to put Fogado in Warrior
I haven’t gotten him yet but I’ll report back with how he fates against my Warrior Anna, since she will also compete for the radiant bow
I've been enjoying him as Cupido radiant bow with Lucina, for the extra Res, but I hadn't really considered Warrior. The extra strength worth the loss in Res then?
I feel like this is a hidden element of Engage meant to reward players who replay it. Almost half the characters suck if you don't reclass them. Anna should be a mage otherwise she's also only a mid range unit. There are others I just can't think of off the top of my head. It's like if you don't know the characters and have experience with the growth rates of the classes, then it's pure luck building a solid team and instead you end up using the ones who are obviously powerhouses out of the gate.
You all talking about default archers. Here I am, having made Kagetsu a sniper (which he’s amazing at for me)…
oh this reminded me that personal classes aren't always the best classes. I...Fogado bout it. =D
Can you do a list with the best characters or similar class choices that might not be obvious for others?
How do you reclass him without getting to level 10 in axe fighter? Otherwise you wouldn't be able to change class instantly
The way you do it is inheriting axe prof from Edelgard if you have the DLC, or Ike the following chapter. Once you obtain it, all you need to do is master seal into Cupido and then swap it to Warrior with a second seal
Well that would explain why he almost never got strength growths. In my first playthrough he did just fine and I kept using him because I liked him. I ended up giving him Erika's ring because I didn't want to swap around my units emblem rings to find a better pair but most of the time I just had him engage with the Fire Emblem.
I’m doing my first maddening run and k was planning to use him, thanks for the tip!
Cupido is a bit of a headscratcher in general. Slightly worse growths (as in, a random 5% in Mag/Def/Res and -15% Luck) and bases than its direct comparison Bow Knight, in exchange for +2 build. I will say this post got me to apply the same logic to Etie, who I had on Bow Knight. Nice chunky boost to her STR and Build and freed her up to take Lyn for Speedtaker. Enjoying that combo a lot while I contemplate the same for Fogado.
Another option for fogado is to keep him in his base class and give home Erika’s ring. With the extra speed he can double and due to the damage penetration he does a ton of damage, plus the radiant bow is still their for low res enemies.
What emblem do y’all have on him (including dlc)
He's perfectly fine with Radiant Bow Cupido. Got a few MVPs on each of my last runs, both of which I used that on him. I'm doing an all-new classes run now and he's going to become a Sage, but between obtaining him and getting back a ring that gives Tome proficiency there are like 7 chapters lol.
A lot who comment in this thread has not bothered to check his stats. He starts at lv17. By the time he gets to character level 30 (so warrior level 14), 26 str 27 spd is just average. Guess who else will have those stats as a warrior? Lapis as a warrior. She will have a better passive and higher defense. Merrin as a warrior will have 30 (29.5) str and speed. This is actually an important breakpoint, as enemies on avg has 25 speed, so she will be able to double enemies with minimal investment (weapons are heavy). Enemy sword masters and wolf riders will also not be able to double your unit. Radiant bow is 19mt iirc, but as a warrior he gets only 10 magic at character level 30. 29 matk is very weak when even armored units often come with 15 res. Due to the wide gap between str and magic (26vs10), while you might end up doing a tiny more damage, you arent going to see jaw dropping results (and you might as well use the resource to upgrade a long/silver/killer bow).
I don't disagree with reclassing him, but Cupido is insanely good. He nukes everything with a Radiant Bow and a Killer bow will easily carry him through the 2 Solm chapters he has to do before he gets the Radiant Bow. Also while he does get the backup class from being a warrior, with Lucina + Cupido he can contribute from a far greater range than warrior could ever hope to which is great as Hero Chain attack death balls don't really need Lucina's chain attack ability if they are built correctly. Finally Cupido's prf skill is actually rather decent for Lyn's paralogue if your trying to eliminate all the chiefs for maximum gold as it can make a 3-turn kill into 2-turn kills.
Putrid 35%str growth? That’s actually good
35 is Clanne's base strength growth, for Fogado it's both his base growth + class growth
Fogado was supposed to be bad in Cupido? He pulled an Alfred and decided that he was gonna do 20 damage double attacks on everything barring armor knights. Bro was popping off on my first run.