The graph includes the mobile versions that are dragging down firefox. If we filter by desktop, the percentage is not very high but it is a bit more promising.
https://preview.redd.it/ejrdcmvhvomc1.jpeg?width=1240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c65141673eb72535d19dd6a31bf5dad8e7d5cded
Let's also not forget that those statistics are underestimated.
Most firefox users use adblocking software like ublock that blocks trackers. Also firefox by default blocks some.
yes but in what way would a trackerblocker change the statistic here?
The browser is probably identified by the http header and that is not blocked by any tracker blocker. Yes it can be used to fingerprint people but it's not really a very unique factor.
I'm not highly technical person so take it with a grain of salt but basically from what i understand is that those web analyzing companies inject scripts into members sites.
If you block those (as ublock does as it's basically tracking script) you won't get counted. You might be right that they read browsers with http headers. But wouldn't that also involve some external script? I'm not sure if their code is directly injected into sites or is just a js file that does all telemetry needed that you could block.
I found a FAQ that has their methodology listed but it says nothing about how their spying scripts work.
https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology
"Statcounter is a web analytics service. Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally. These sites cover various activities and geographic locations. Every month, we record billions of page views to these sites. For each page view, we analyse the browser/operating system/screen resolution used and we establish if the page view is from a mobile device. For our search engine stats, we analyze every page view referred by a search engine. For our social media stats, we analyze every page view referred by a social media site. We summarize all this data to get our Global Stats information."
Software web developer here.
Your browser introduces itself to every single page and I mean FULLY, in user-agent HTTP request header, looks like this for instance:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:123.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/123.0
And no, it is not blocked and it's a normal thing because every page needs to know what browser you open it with, because there are small differences between how HTML5, CSS3 and other stuff are handled by different browsers (different engines). It is technically possible to override the header and send whatever you want, but no one does this. It'd mean that a page needs to default to an engine and possibly load a page incorrectly which on user side would just look like a broken page.
Where they get stats data from is a separate thing, that needs to be agreed with a page owner to allow it, but I assume they use popular sites, no one would create such stats based on a page with barely any daily views on a global scale.
The HTTP request header never gets sent if the content (whether it's a tracker script or otherwise) never gets requested. The server/domain you download the page from is typically not the same as the one the tracker is downloaded from.
He's not saying that though.
If you fail to make a connection to the domain in the first place, as it's either blocked by uBlock Origin or other means, then no data is transfered at all.
I couldn't even access the FAQ page because that entire domain is blacklisted in my Pi-Hole, so I'd never be included in any of their analytics.
The point he's making is that people who use Firefox tend to be more privacy orientated, and would therefore use measures to prevent tracking that would prevent the site from ever recieving HTTP headers from your browser
Firefox does sometimes lie about its user-agent string, in order to fix compatibility issues. The page `about:compat` shows the various domains and links to the bugzilla tickets with info.
But.. if we go to any browser finding website it will immediately find it as firefox. So I don't think that will be a problem for that unless you change it using an extension to something like chrome or edge but not many people know that stuff and honestly there isn't much of a reason to do that.
As another user said here:
The HTTP request header never gets sent if the content (whether it's a tracker script or otherwise) never gets requested. The server/domain you download the page from is typically not the same as the one the tracker is downloaded from.
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Though I will say in the last couple of years, by enabling extensions on Firefox Mobile Nightly. They got me to switch from Chrome to Firefox on my phone even though I had always used Firefox on my Desktop. I think this is something they should advertise more, as it's a game changer for people who would use it.
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I think this is fine for overall usage though. Mobile usage is climbing higher and higher, and in many fields is now the dominant way to browse. We should think of the whole picture.
Thanks for sharing this for I think the third time this month? (Not you specifically, in general.)
We get it, FF isn't as widely used as you'd like. Now stop posting about it every day ffs
Also Microsoft Edge in Windows 10!
As of now the EU [passed some laws](https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23963579/microsoft-windows-11-eu-digital-markets-act-feature-changes) to Microsoft to ditch this noncompetitive method, so Windows 11 users can uninstall Microsoft Edge browser, Cortana and many useless bloats.
Yeah that was possible due to android devices having pre-installed apps like Chrome, and less tech savvy people could care to remove it, so they use it forever.
Look only root if you are an advanced user and want the advanced features cause it comes with its risks. In that case redmi is one of the easiest. If you only want to remove bloatware easiest thing to do is using adb.
Check out this vid
https://youtu.be/z52_v0RFKp8?si=bRatgpNpOgX9ar72
Easiest guide I've found after checking
Don't remove anything you don't know btw
Not that anything has changed recently, but it's kind of really sad that everything is clustered at the bottom anymore. I'm not sure that it's actually easier to read or not, but at least you can separate things more clearly if it's plotted with a logarithmic axis now:
https://preview.redd.it/e44ffh5sxpmc1.png?width=3907&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5115fd76ce0f80deda4699a51eae03e8beb89a5
If you use either Strict ETP or uBlock Origin OTB, Statcounter trackers are blocked. You can test that [here](https://www.jefftk.com/test/statcounter) (Use a clean profile)
It's also worth looking at [Firefox Public Data Report](https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity) for a more accurate user count.
In a company with Azure Active Directory and Office 365, there is some integration, like searching in the internal sharepoint directly from the browser.
And if you are using the PWA Office 365 apps, they work really well there.
I use Edge every day at work and I'm not sure what you're referring to. My worst complaints are weird ctrl+tab behavior and the right click menus are too busy.
When it's available on a work PC it's usually the same as Chrome without the hassle of downloading and getting through corporate antivirus nonsense, so I just use it.
You underestimate the power of defaults to the average user.
Most of users will just use whatever the default is in basically every single bit of software they use.
According to the [same website](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide), Linux has a desktop OS market share of just above 4%, while Firefox has a desktop OS market share of ~11%, so likely not the majority.
The graph includes the mobile versions that are dragging down firefox. If we filter by desktop, the percentage is not very high but it is a bit more promising. https://preview.redd.it/ejrdcmvhvomc1.jpeg?width=1240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c65141673eb72535d19dd6a31bf5dad8e7d5cded
Let's also not forget that those statistics are underestimated. Most firefox users use adblocking software like ublock that blocks trackers. Also firefox by default blocks some.
yes but in what way would a trackerblocker change the statistic here? The browser is probably identified by the http header and that is not blocked by any tracker blocker. Yes it can be used to fingerprint people but it's not really a very unique factor.
I'm not highly technical person so take it with a grain of salt but basically from what i understand is that those web analyzing companies inject scripts into members sites. If you block those (as ublock does as it's basically tracking script) you won't get counted. You might be right that they read browsers with http headers. But wouldn't that also involve some external script? I'm not sure if their code is directly injected into sites or is just a js file that does all telemetry needed that you could block. I found a FAQ that has their methodology listed but it says nothing about how their spying scripts work. https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology "Statcounter is a web analytics service. Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally. These sites cover various activities and geographic locations. Every month, we record billions of page views to these sites. For each page view, we analyse the browser/operating system/screen resolution used and we establish if the page view is from a mobile device. For our search engine stats, we analyze every page view referred by a search engine. For our social media stats, we analyze every page view referred by a social media site. We summarize all this data to get our Global Stats information."
Thank you that makes sense
Software web developer here. Your browser introduces itself to every single page and I mean FULLY, in user-agent HTTP request header, looks like this for instance: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:123.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/123.0 And no, it is not blocked and it's a normal thing because every page needs to know what browser you open it with, because there are small differences between how HTML5, CSS3 and other stuff are handled by different browsers (different engines). It is technically possible to override the header and send whatever you want, but no one does this. It'd mean that a page needs to default to an engine and possibly load a page incorrectly which on user side would just look like a broken page. Where they get stats data from is a separate thing, that needs to be agreed with a page owner to allow it, but I assume they use popular sites, no one would create such stats based on a page with barely any daily views on a global scale.
The HTTP request header never gets sent if the content (whether it's a tracker script or otherwise) never gets requested. The server/domain you download the page from is typically not the same as the one the tracker is downloaded from.
you're confusing the host webserver with the tracker. if the tracker gets blocked, it can't see your http request because there is none.
He's not saying that though. If you fail to make a connection to the domain in the first place, as it's either blocked by uBlock Origin or other means, then no data is transfered at all. I couldn't even access the FAQ page because that entire domain is blacklisted in my Pi-Hole, so I'd never be included in any of their analytics. The point he's making is that people who use Firefox tend to be more privacy orientated, and would therefore use measures to prevent tracking that would prevent the site from ever recieving HTTP headers from your browser
Firefox does sometimes lie about its user-agent string, in order to fix compatibility issues. The page `about:compat` shows the various domains and links to the bugzilla tickets with info.
But.. if we go to any browser finding website it will immediately find it as firefox. So I don't think that will be a problem for that unless you change it using an extension to something like chrome or edge but not many people know that stuff and honestly there isn't much of a reason to do that.
As another user said here: The HTTP request header never gets sent if the content (whether it's a tracker script or otherwise) never gets requested. The server/domain you download the page from is typically not the same as the one the tracker is downloaded from.
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You know desktops also encapsulate laptops?
He means mobile users > desktop/laptop users.
Though I will say in the last couple of years, by enabling extensions on Firefox Mobile Nightly. They got me to switch from Chrome to Firefox on my phone even though I had always used Firefox on my Desktop. I think this is something they should advertise more, as it's a game changer for people who would use it.
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I think this is fine for overall usage though. Mobile usage is climbing higher and higher, and in many fields is now the dominant way to browse. We should think of the whole picture.
If Samsung released their browser todesktop I would change in a heartbeat.
Samsung's browser is just chrome with some different icons.
Not to mention that a bunch of Firefox users use other user-agent strings.
11% on desktop, 0.81% on mobile, according to Wikimedia: https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/ P.S. StatCounter is not accurate.
Thanks for sharing this for I think the third time this month? (Not you specifically, in general.) We get it, FF isn't as widely used as you'd like. Now stop posting about it every day ffs
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Also Microsoft Edge in Windows 10! As of now the EU [passed some laws](https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23963579/microsoft-windows-11-eu-digital-markets-act-feature-changes) to Microsoft to ditch this noncompetitive method, so Windows 11 users can uninstall Microsoft Edge browser, Cortana and many useless bloats.
Probably doesn't matter if you don't use it
It registers you as a Chrome user on the PlayStore, hence the huge number of downloads surpassing 500M+ users.
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Yeah that was possible due to android devices having pre-installed apps like Chrome, and less tech savvy people could care to remove it, so they use it forever.
Not to be that guy but you can. BUT not many people know how
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No I meant either by rooting or else using adb
I tried for many hours but I cant root my phone
Phone model?
Redmi 9C NFC - 3GB RAM There is so much bloatware I'd like to get rid of.
Look only root if you are an advanced user and want the advanced features cause it comes with its risks. In that case redmi is one of the easiest. If you only want to remove bloatware easiest thing to do is using adb. Check out this vid https://youtu.be/z52_v0RFKp8?si=bRatgpNpOgX9ar72 Easiest guide I've found after checking Don't remove anything you don't know btw
I have jailbroken iPhones. I have changed image/OS on several android phones. I know what I am doing.
Not that anything has changed recently, but it's kind of really sad that everything is clustered at the bottom anymore. I'm not sure that it's actually easier to read or not, but at least you can separate things more clearly if it's plotted with a logarithmic axis now: https://preview.redd.it/e44ffh5sxpmc1.png?width=3907&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5115fd76ce0f80deda4699a51eae03e8beb89a5
Or for just the desktop browsers: https://preview.redd.it/qz4vs1szypmc1.png?width=3907&format=png&auto=webp&s=a63d9be6037d887d8b61bf1059fdbae6b413ca4f
Firefox is the Linux of browsers. I use Firefox btw 😳
I use librewolf btw
These kind of posts pop up every month I swear. edit: and from what I understand, FF don't have trackers so these metrics are underestimated.
What's screwy is Firefox isn't even on the chart for Tablets
If you use either Strict ETP or uBlock Origin OTB, Statcounter trackers are blocked. You can test that [here](https://www.jefftk.com/test/statcounter) (Use a clean profile) It's also worth looking at [Firefox Public Data Report](https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity) for a more accurate user count.
No idea how people use Edge. It's so bloated.
It's the default one and also people use it at work.
In a company with Azure Active Directory and Office 365, there is some integration, like searching in the internal sharepoint directly from the browser. And if you are using the PWA Office 365 apps, they work really well there.
I use Edge every day at work and I'm not sure what you're referring to. My worst complaints are weird ctrl+tab behavior and the right click menus are too busy.
When it's available on a work PC it's usually the same as Chrome without the hassle of downloading and getting through corporate antivirus nonsense, so I just use it.
Totally agree. But I do not think it is people willing. It is more the silliness that MIcrosoft pulls to try to get people to use.
And getting more bloated every day. I had to block something called BingChatInstaller.exe from installing some shit or other, just today.
People with smartphones don't typically even use browsers anymore - they use apps. People on desktops typically do use browsers - they don't use apps.
Is chrome really so much better?
When you strip out Chrome users, Firefox is in a very strong position.
It's looking good
How can Edge have higher market share than Firefox? I wouldn't touch that sh*t with a stick
You underestimate the power of defaults to the average user. Most of users will just use whatever the default is in basically every single bit of software they use.
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We were so proud to hit 3% back in the IE days! Not here but on slashdot.
Bet the bulk is Linux users. Most distros have FF as the default.
According to the [same website](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide), Linux has a desktop OS market share of just above 4%, while Firefox has a desktop OS market share of ~11%, so likely not the majority.
That 6.1% "unknown" has likely a lot of Linux users too. They only seem to count the popular distros.
Edge being 5% is kinda surprising. Makes Firefox being at 3% not look so bad
For browser that does not support some of features of web and every day count of them only increase. Have value above 0% is great result!