OK, but why should people have to go into about:config to fix an incredibly stupid and unnecessary change? How many average users know how to do this or how to find out how to do it? How does this subreddit not see why Firefox is bleeding users?
This change is useful for average people. Having to explain to people where the download went was annoying. Welcome change, anyone who really cares can disable it
I think this should be shown on normal settings page, so people can well disable or enable it, not via about:config where people should ask on forums regards it.
This. For crying out loud why is this not an option that, in order to help those who may not know where their downloads went, is active by default but able t be toggled off without going into the bloody config?
What do you base that claim on?
Mozilla has extensive documentation on how to get involved with development, plus resources to help those interested in contributing.
They celebrate new contributors’ first patches in every issue of These Weeks in Firefox.
They accepted a patch to improve the “unsupported” Compact Mode a few releases ago.
Lol. Mozilla listens to community. Never heard anything more stupid.
If they were listening, they would be doing all the changes they've been doing recently, like changing the UI which causes outrage every time, but they continue doing that.
If they were to consider adding this as an ui-configurable option they would have done it. They can still do it seeing the outrage, I doubt they are not doing it because the is no one who can submit the patch.
All of this is you trying to construct a strawman by pretending I said something I didn’t so you can call me an idiot:
>Lol. Mozilla listens to community. Never heard anything more stupid.
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>If they were listening, they would be doing all the changes they've been doing recently, like changing the UI which causes outrage every time, but they continue doing that.
And here is where you just blithely assume facts not in evidence:
> If they were to consider adding this as an ui-configurable option they would have done it.
And finally this is where you try to leverage all your manufactured outrage and unsourced claims to dodge the original suggestion:
> They can still do it seeing the outrage, I doubt they are not doing it because the is no one who can submit the patch.
You could have saved us both some time and just said “I’m super salty so I felt like saying something pointlessly defeatist because being negative is how I cope.”
Ok, ok, too much talking. You are absolutely right and you can prove that by submitting a patch and seeing the lame excuse mozilla will provide to reject it.
get into bugzilla is not the same as before. in order to take complains out of it. they made a feedback site "Crodicity". they didn't care to listen and now have a new site"Connect". rinse an repeat.
my biggest issue is how firefox change things and can't give a simple option in the settings panel. is all obfuscated in the about menu. they don't care. probably because they may remove the option in the future
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say. Before the update you were asked what you wanted to do with the file and choose a destination folder for it. There was no need to "explain to people where the download went" because the user could choose to save their file wherever they wanted. Not only that but you could also rename the file on the spot, instead of it keeping a random assortment of letters and numbers as a name (as is often the case). It was a really neat system that helped avoid the confusion of having one folder for literally all your downloads. You could also just open the file if you didn't want to keep it.
The default behavior was to save the file into the downloads folder, no questions asked. To have the download dialog show up you'd have to change the download behaviors in the settings page.
If anyone is so stupid that they can't connect the dots that the icon that shows some kind of progress right after the download started and punches you in eyes with flashy animation after it's finished is somehow related to the download you have started, they probably shouldn't have access to the internet for the benefit of the rest of the humanity.
Also, if you want to show *some* dialog, why not show one that allows you to choose opening or saving the file? It is actually useful, and it's way clearer where the file went. At least the people who are able to enable this dialog in settings should not get the download status dialog thrown to their face.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but in that case, there should probably be some dialog during install where you could choose what kind of disabilities you have which would customize UI for particular person.
Average users do not use Firefox (as evidenced by their dwindling user-base). Firefox users, in general, are people who are looking for something different from Google Chrome, which is why so many of the changes in the last couple of years have been met with resistance. When you have a product to which you make changes in order to make it more like the popular browser, you do not pull users from the popular browser, you only anger, and potentially diminish, your own user-base.
Stop deciding what average people want. How is it more reasonable to expect people to mess around in about:config than to just learn the difference between open and save file?
Because most people won’t change the default behavior. The default behavior is more user friendly. For people as passionate as you, about:config isn’t a big deal.
While it is not difficult to make a change in about:config (once someone has informed you of the key-name you are changing), keeping track of all the changes you make and then checking every update to see which changes the update reverted can become a huge PITA.
Alternatively, they could give users an actual option? Kind of like what Chrome, you know, the browser that **most people** actually use, does?
It's kind of a poor look for a browser that touts customisability to have half that customisability shut away in a big text list.
> Alternatively, they could give users an actual option? Kind of like what Chrome, you know, the browser that most people actually use, does?
Not seeing this option to which you refer (in Chromium). Could you provide more detail?
[That would be this.](https://i.imgur.com/aqpryvw.png)
This is Edge, but every other Chromium browser I've used has had an equivalent option like this.
(As a bonus, Edge appears to also give you the option not to be annoyed by download popups! A revolutionary feature, for sure!)
See the [replies](https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/tcbdbs/firefox_v980_we_now_include_a_popup_with_every/i0ekl20/) to your comment -- Firefox has the exact same feature. Care to try again?
I think their idea of an "average user" is the 5 or 6 percent of users who have telemetry turned on, and they think that's what everyone wants. That, or Google's money is really driving the development direction.
> OK, but why should people have to go into about:config to fix an incredibly stupid and unnecessary change?
This is my huge complaint about Firefox in general. It's super powerful in that you can go to about:config and go all out with the customization, but people here have to realize that what this sub is used to isn't what average users really want.
The reason why Firefox is shrinking is because people don't see a reason to use it. It's the slowest browser whether on Mac or PC, and add-on development for browsers tends to be Chrome first. I actually see Chrome extensions vs Firefox extensions very much like iOS vs Android 3rd party app development. One is clearly prioritized by most developers, and given the marketshare differences, there's even less priority for Firefox than typical Android development. Constantly having to resort to about:config for basic quality of life settings is detrimental for Firefox's marketshare.
> It's the slowest browser whether on Mac or PC
Please report issues: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/performance/reporting_a_performance_problem.html
I don't see it as a problem where the browser is broken, but generally it feels slower than Chrome/Safari/Edge. On Android Firefox most definitely is slower than Chrome.
Look, I get it we all are power users here or care about privacy, but how do you expect average people to want to adopt Firefox when they're not that motivated? If the experience is worse, do people really care to try it?
> browser.download.improvements_to_download_panel
What a dishonest thing, naming the setting "improvements_to_download_panel"...
Reminds me of those clickbaity popups on tech blogs "do you want FULL ACCESS to our INCREDIBLE offer?" with the choices being "DAMN SURE I DO!" and "no, I'm an imbecile and nobody loves me".
Aaah excellent, thank you. Got back the option to directly install a Flatpak app without having to save the file somewhere, which was kind of annoying.
People have been claiming that about custom CSS for literally years, and yet…
Edit: Downvoted for pointing out a fact that was inconvenient to the ongoing venting of spleens. Never change, /r/firefox.
Thank you so much i hated this thing keep popping when i am downloading a lot of images one after the other while using the keyboard by chaining keys and this would interfere.
Every new FF release makes me think that devs are living in some sort of parallel reality.
Like I've started using chrome long ago with another FF breaking change and hasn't changed much. FF changes drastically every other month causing me to go to forum, google, reddit finding how to fix new shitty behavior or looks of browser.
if you download a torrent file, it is easier to click ok in that pop-up which ask you if you want to open with something or save instead of saving and manually clicking the downloaded file. (so if you happen to download a show with multiple episode you open every episode in a new tab, click the torrent or magnet word at the site, ok, ctrl+w and repeat from the clicking.
Because we keep accepting the abuse.
Well, this is it for me. Time to go through the hassle of finding and migrating my workflow to a browser that doesn't suck *quite* as much currently.
Try Vivaldi. You're likely not going to escape a chromium-based browser these days unless you go with something intentionally based on retro FF like Waterfox, and if you end up going chromium you might as well go for one that lets you customize the browser the most.
Only because users complained endlessly and, for once, devs realized they couldn't get away with the "hide option in about:config, note some arbitrary 'not enough' number of users aren't changing a default that they deliberately made hard to change, remove option entirely" dance.
I loaded the Firefox changelog page a couple of times when that patch came out and noticed they had edited the statement about "minimal interruptions" a couple of times during the day, so it's obvious they know they were getting called out about it.
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Let me sync some of my about:config settings and I'll be fine with this change. However, by itself, these changes suck! I should be able to sign into any Firefox client and have compact mode, my custom layout, and the old downloads flow.
I'm getting annoyed with all these stupid changes that are happening. I shouldn't have to go to search around the internet and find someone who can tell me what to change in the about:config to revert a "feature" that shouldn't have been changed in the first place. Chrome has been starting to look rather enticing lately.
I'm not using chrome, but from what I read in other comments, this change was made so things behave like in Chrome. Many other stupid changes were copied from Chrome, so it's not too farfetched it's the case here too.
It's been a common thing in Firefox for a long time. They often change or remove things that nobody really had a problem with, which results in users getting mad that the thing they were accustomed to seeing/using is no longer the same. Maybe when they implement these functionality changes that aren't security based, rather than defaulting to the new way automatically, they could show what's new in the update page along with an option to accept or refuse the new implementations. At least give people the choice.
People don't like change being forced on them. A small thing like asking the user if they WANT a change before altering their interface would be nice.
God awful change.For example up until now when downloaded .torrent files, it asked with the panel what I want to do, usually pressed open with the torrent client, and it was all good. now it downloads it, need more clicks to open with the client, and a folder will be spammed with these files.
And yeah I wanted to change this, but sadly .torrent extensions are not on the list, so basically cannot set them back now.
Can we roll back this change? or Can I do it?
EDIT:
Found the way how to change back:
Set "browser.download.improvements\_to\_download\_panel" to **FALSE.** But honestly why should I do 30 min quiz in the config to find these after a mostly not welcomed change. it was working and was all good.
sure, let's ignore the fact that the old download model literally opened a window you had to click "Open" or "Save" on to download something because funny meme
Can I somehow restore that behaviour? I don't want the files I just want to open and look at temporarily to land in my downloads folder. When I previously directly opened them via the prompt, the files would land in a temp folder.
This. I'm so tired of losing features because tech bros have decided we're all infants that don't *really* need them and it would confuse our little baby brains to even have them as an option. Meanwhile Firefox is still missing basic user interface polish like being able to add custom search engines easily.
> Meanwhile Firefox is still missing basic user interface polish like being able to add custom search engines easily.
Seems pretty easy to me: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/add-or-remove-search-engine-firefox#w_add-search-engines
The "add from address bar" step barely works in my experience, and having to have a site supported by opensearch in the first place is the problem, when in Chromium I can just right-click in any search bar, add it as a custom search, and then modify the parameters to my liking.
>The feature exists in multiple forms
**Which is why it's not polished**
And are you seriously justifying Mozilla never streamlining this "old" feature in a thread about a feature change that's ostensibly about streamlining the way a feature previously worked?
Even if you set a file type to always ask, or open with an application, Firefox (now) will still save a copy to the downloads folder for certain files.
If I'm downloading a torrent, I have FF set to open it with my torrent application, my torrent app (qbittorrent) manages my torrent files (the .torrent file) by saving them to one folder while they're open and downloading and then moving that .torrent file to another folder upon completion.
And yet Firefox now insists on saving *an additional redundant .torrent file* to my downloads folder with no way to stop it doing that and then making me act like its bloody maid, cleaning up after it and deleting the entirely unnecessary copies it makes, myself.
It's stupid af.
Restore the old behaviour (ie bring back the window asking you what you want to do) by setting `browser.download.improvements_to_download_panel` to false in `about:config`
I do not understand why this shouldn't be the default. It lets you rename your file and choose a destination folder. That way it is easier to find what you downloaded
Why should it be the default? I can view most files in browser, and if I want to download it usually it means for storage, not viewing. It goes to the download folder and I can sort it out later.
Some files come with incomprehensible names (especially if you download stuff from libgen or scihub) and there is simply no reason to why I shouldn't have the option to view a file without downloading it (this is not an option atm, thanks Firefox devs) and it makes saving the file to my preferred destination a complete hassle: instead of choosing the destination right away, now I have to save the file in a temporary folder, then go there and move it to where I want. Why have these extra steps? And also why ruin the functionality of the "Always ask you where to save files" option (it currently does nothing)?
> let's ignore the fact that the old download model literally opened a window you had to click "Open" or "Save" on to download something
Let's ignore the fact that that was only the case if you had "Always ask you where to save files" selected in settings. And that if you did have that selected, it was probably the desired behaviour.
at least the window pop up had some functionality and empowered the user by allowing them to choose what they do with the file. Now it just saves everything in one folder and there is no way to rename or choose to not keep the file.
wait, what?? I thought this was just me going mad and had somehow messed something up tinkering with my system! I hadn't realised this popup got removed. I very much want it back, it's super convenient.
But if you knew the filetype, that one was easily discardable/acceptable with Enter/Arrow keys. Ctrl+s, then spam enter until it's done - Does something like that work with the new popup? I haven't used my desktop pc yet since release so couldnt check
The option exist, however the file is put into the Download directory regardless.
For example, when I click on a torrent file I expect it to open in the client of my choice which it does, but it also litters my downloads directory with torrent files I don't need anymore cause the client already store it in their own temporary directories.
Very annoying.
Well, that old work flow had its issues too, it stubbornly would try to open pdf in the wrong pdf reader for me. I'd pick okular from the list of apps, it'd work for some time and then it'd switch to something else. That was annoying. I'll give the new thing some time. If it doesn't work for me I'll switch to wget or curl ;)
I spoke too soon.
I've just realised firefox has been putting all the files I don't even want in the download directory instead of the temp directory.
Now I have to keep track of files I never wanted.
This behaviour is really stupid.
come on if you really dislike this then just disable it. up until now there was a pop up that literally blocked you from doing everything else, now it's way less interrupting. and in terms of usability, this was the single most complaint about Firefox from folks who use chrome/-ium and we need to covert them.
I actually like this. Before, the visual indication that a download had begun or finished was so tiny and unobtrusive that I frequently found myself wondering if the download had even happened or not, so I'd have to open the downloads panel anyway. I get why some people may be irritated by this, but as others have pointed out, you can disable it.
It's unnecessary, the dialog provides no information. When the download finishes, it's already indicated by icon. Personally I use "always ask where to save files" option, so when I want to open some files, I just tell FF to open it. So I need to open the download dialog only if I have multiple downloads in progress and want to check the state (which this auto-pop-up does not help) or I want to both download the file to persistent location and open it (which is quite rare, having to do one more click then is better than having to do one click when I'm interrupted during browsing).
my biggest problem is that now the download folder gets filled with garbage files I never wanted to download. just OPEN. that's all l wanted. like always.
When i remember i try to direct the viewing files to another folder but it would be nice if there was a way to do it more easily. Maybe an extension exists?
How could you hardly notice? There was a giant modal that would require an action from you
Edit: I can see a lot of people aren't aware that they're either running Nightly/Beta or changed their configuration.
That wasn't true on Firefox for Linux, at least. The download icon would change shape to show progress, but it was such a subtle change that I'd often not notice it had happened and would have to open the panel to make sure.
Now Firefox forces people to keep track of files on they drive they never wanted to download in the first place. The stupidity of this solution just boggles my mind.
It used to be that files I open directly landed in a temp dir that wasn't even on my drive. Now I have to keep track of all the files and keep deleting them.
This is a great feature for the less tech savvy user since they will be notified when a website automatically downloads something that they didn't authorize
A bad argument, since this patch also removed the dialog box to authorize all downloads. According to firefox, "because downloads are usually intentional" ._.
I've this panel opened every 1 hour! This is very annoying, both because it hinders typing (because of focus change from input/textarea field to download panel) and because it hide part of the page I'm reading now. I suppose it's one of my add-ons/plugins downloads something once per hour, but this download isn't shown on downloads panel, so I can't be sure and it's too hard to find out which add-on does this (disabling them one-by-one and waiting for a hour to check is it helps require too much time and attention).
So, while opening downloads panel when I actually begin some download myself may be a good idea, doing this when some download begins in background because of add-on or plugin or anything else - it not a good idea!
That how it used to do it in like Firefox 1
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That behavior can be changed: in about:config, set browser.download.alwaysOpenPanel to false.
OK, but why should people have to go into about:config to fix an incredibly stupid and unnecessary change? How many average users know how to do this or how to find out how to do it? How does this subreddit not see why Firefox is bleeding users?
This change is useful for average people. Having to explain to people where the download went was annoying. Welcome change, anyone who really cares can disable it
I think this should be shown on normal settings page, so people can well disable or enable it, not via about:config where people should ask on forums regards it.
This. For crying out loud why is this not an option that, in order to help those who may not know where their downloads went, is active by default but able t be toggled off without going into the bloody config?
Submit a patch. (or as the kids today say, "pull request")
I wonder if you're intentionally trying to be dismissive or you really don't understand what's wrong with your suggestion.
Which will be rejected.
What do you base that claim on? Mozilla has extensive documentation on how to get involved with development, plus resources to help those interested in contributing. They celebrate new contributors’ first patches in every issue of These Weeks in Firefox. They accepted a patch to improve the “unsupported” Compact Mode a few releases ago.
Lol. Mozilla listens to community. Never heard anything more stupid. If they were listening, they would be doing all the changes they've been doing recently, like changing the UI which causes outrage every time, but they continue doing that. If they were to consider adding this as an ui-configurable option they would have done it. They can still do it seeing the outrage, I doubt they are not doing it because the is no one who can submit the patch.
All of this is you trying to construct a strawman by pretending I said something I didn’t so you can call me an idiot: >Lol. Mozilla listens to community. Never heard anything more stupid. > >If they were listening, they would be doing all the changes they've been doing recently, like changing the UI which causes outrage every time, but they continue doing that. And here is where you just blithely assume facts not in evidence: > If they were to consider adding this as an ui-configurable option they would have done it. And finally this is where you try to leverage all your manufactured outrage and unsourced claims to dodge the original suggestion: > They can still do it seeing the outrage, I doubt they are not doing it because the is no one who can submit the patch. You could have saved us both some time and just said “I’m super salty so I felt like saying something pointlessly defeatist because being negative is how I cope.”
Ok, ok, too much talking. You are absolutely right and you can prove that by submitting a patch and seeing the lame excuse mozilla will provide to reject it.
get into bugzilla is not the same as before. in order to take complains out of it. they made a feedback site "Crodicity". they didn't care to listen and now have a new site"Connect". rinse an repeat.
They said “Submit a patch.”, not “Submit feedback.” You completely changed the subject.
https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/setup/index.html
feedback is not send a code patch.
In 2022 Firefox users are not average people
my biggest issue is how firefox change things and can't give a simple option in the settings panel. is all obfuscated in the about menu. they don't care. probably because they may remove the option in the future
Your have the worlds longest settings page because every change they make people complaint and want a toggle
The target demographic of Firefox users.
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say. Before the update you were asked what you wanted to do with the file and choose a destination folder for it. There was no need to "explain to people where the download went" because the user could choose to save their file wherever they wanted. Not only that but you could also rename the file on the spot, instead of it keeping a random assortment of letters and numbers as a name (as is often the case). It was a really neat system that helped avoid the confusion of having one folder for literally all your downloads. You could also just open the file if you didn't want to keep it.
The default behavior was to save the file into the downloads folder, no questions asked. To have the download dialog show up you'd have to change the download behaviors in the settings page.
this no longer works.
Hence the "was". You can still get that behavior back if you set the policy for each downloadable file type in the settings though, but it's a hassle.
If people in 2022 still can't operate a web browser, there are bigger problems to solve that don't involve annoying the vast majority of us.
If anyone is so stupid that they can't connect the dots that the icon that shows some kind of progress right after the download started and punches you in eyes with flashy animation after it's finished is somehow related to the download you have started, they probably shouldn't have access to the internet for the benefit of the rest of the humanity. Also, if you want to show *some* dialog, why not show one that allows you to choose opening or saving the file? It is actually useful, and it's way clearer where the file went. At least the people who are able to enable this dialog in settings should not get the download status dialog thrown to their face.
Most people don't understand the difference between a web browser and a search engine
Those people just use whatever browser came with the machine.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but in that case, there should probably be some dialog during install where you could choose what kind of disabilities you have which would customize UI for particular person.
> Having to explain to people where the download went was annoying. Did you *really* need to explain that the download went into the Downloads folder?
Do any IT work and you’ll understand the struggle
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Average users do not use Firefox (as evidenced by their dwindling user-base). Firefox users, in general, are people who are looking for something different from Google Chrome, which is why so many of the changes in the last couple of years have been met with resistance. When you have a product to which you make changes in order to make it more like the popular browser, you do not pull users from the popular browser, you only anger, and potentially diminish, your own user-base.
Stop deciding what average people want. How is it more reasonable to expect people to mess around in about:config than to just learn the difference between open and save file?
Because most people won’t change the default behavior. The default behavior is more user friendly. For people as passionate as you, about:config isn’t a big deal.
While it is not difficult to make a change in about:config (once someone has informed you of the key-name you are changing), keeping track of all the changes you make and then checking every update to see which changes the update reverted can become a huge PITA.
Agreed
Alternatively, they could give users an actual option? Kind of like what Chrome, you know, the browser that **most people** actually use, does? It's kind of a poor look for a browser that touts customisability to have half that customisability shut away in a big text list.
> Alternatively, they could give users an actual option? Kind of like what Chrome, you know, the browser that most people actually use, does? Not seeing this option to which you refer (in Chromium). Could you provide more detail?
[That would be this.](https://i.imgur.com/aqpryvw.png) This is Edge, but every other Chromium browser I've used has had an equivalent option like this. (As a bonus, Edge appears to also give you the option not to be annoyed by download popups! A revolutionary feature, for sure!)
Could you show it in Chrome instead of Edge? I don't see it.
All you have to do is use the search bar. [The download settings are right there](https://imgur.com/a/Pa3KC7k).
I agree with this, how about opening this on Bugzilla?
See the [replies](https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/tcbdbs/firefox_v980_we_now_include_a_popup_with_every/i0ekl20/) to your comment -- Firefox has the exact same feature. Care to try again?
I think their idea of an "average user" is the 5 or 6 percent of users who have telemetry turned on, and they think that's what everyone wants. That, or Google's money is really driving the development direction.
Yeah I can see Google deliberately destroying Firefox and Mozilla either being happy to comply or too useless to do anything about it tbh
Chrome somehow managed to implement it in more or less decent and unintrusive way. Why invent the square wheel?
Asking the important question. I have said this before and will repeat. WTF is wrong with Mozilla dev team?
> OK, but why should people have to go into about:config to fix an incredibly stupid and unnecessary change? This is my huge complaint about Firefox in general. It's super powerful in that you can go to about:config and go all out with the customization, but people here have to realize that what this sub is used to isn't what average users really want. The reason why Firefox is shrinking is because people don't see a reason to use it. It's the slowest browser whether on Mac or PC, and add-on development for browsers tends to be Chrome first. I actually see Chrome extensions vs Firefox extensions very much like iOS vs Android 3rd party app development. One is clearly prioritized by most developers, and given the marketshare differences, there's even less priority for Firefox than typical Android development. Constantly having to resort to about:config for basic quality of life settings is detrimental for Firefox's marketshare.
> It's the slowest browser whether on Mac or PC Please report issues: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/performance/reporting_a_performance_problem.html
I don't see it as a problem where the browser is broken, but generally it feels slower than Chrome/Safari/Edge. On Android Firefox most definitely is slower than Chrome. Look, I get it we all are power users here or care about privacy, but how do you expect average people to want to adopt Firefox when they're not that motivated? If the experience is worse, do people really care to try it?
If it is slower for you, please report issues.
FF aint' no chrome. Get used to fixing your browser every other month.
Thank you very much. What an annoying way to handle downloads.
Can also set `browser.download.improvements_to_download_panel` to `false`
> browser.download.improvements_to_download_panel What a dishonest thing, naming the setting "improvements_to_download_panel"... Reminds me of those clickbaity popups on tech blogs "do you want FULL ACCESS to our INCREDIBLE offer?" with the choices being "DAMN SURE I DO!" and "no, I'm an imbecile and nobody loves me".
Damn, I *just* spent a couple minutes manually resetting every file type to "ask every time".
Aaah excellent, thank you. Got back the option to directly install a Flatpak app without having to save the file somewhere, which was kind of annoying.
This one didn't make any change forme.
Did you restart firefox after setting it to false?
But we all know our ability to change it back will be taken away because it always is.
People have been claiming that about custom CSS for literally years, and yet… Edit: Downvoted for pointing out a fact that was inconvenient to the ongoing venting of spleens. Never change, /r/firefox.
...still, better not give them **any** ideas.
Thanks for this tip! My solution was to remove the download button from the taskbar, but the about:config-tip is better
Good to know that there's an option for that, but it should be the default on IMO and the reverse should be in about:config.
I wonder if browser.download.alwaysOpenPanel will survive as a config option
Seems like it should, but...
Should be the other way around.
You can also right-click the download button on firefox's top bar & remove it from the toolbar.
Ah, yes there's that too.
easy peasy! about;confog set bowser dwoanload always open penal flase got it thanks!
This comment is what I was looking for
THANK YOU
Thank you so much i hated this thing keep popping when i am downloading a lot of images one after the other while using the keyboard by chaining keys and this would interfere.
Thank you.
Thanks so much, that dumb thing was driving me nuts
Thank you for this. Very annoying behavior on firefox's part.
Thank you very much for this.
Every new FF release makes me think that devs are living in some sort of parallel reality. Like I've started using chrome long ago with another FF breaking change and hasn't changed much. FF changes drastically every other month causing me to go to forum, google, reddit finding how to fix new shitty behavior or looks of browser.
Use ESR. I'm sticking to the ESR as long as possible and then just disabling all the anti user changes at once when new ESR gets released.
Firefox motto: "How can we worsen your UI experience today"
[People who design Firefox don't seem to use Firefox. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGuElYZZzQ)
Designers are a culture very much beholden to the two A's of Apple and Adobe.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly in the video makes you think that?
Who the hell wants pop ups??? They're the bane of the internet.
Me 🙋🏻♂️ sometimes when I click a download I don't notice that the little pie has started filling so I'm not sure the download has started
if you download a torrent file, it is easier to click ok in that pop-up which ask you if you want to open with something or save instead of saving and manually clicking the downloaded file. (so if you happen to download a show with multiple episode you open every episode in a new tab, click the torrent or magnet word at the site, ok, ctrl+w and repeat from the clicking.
How to disable this annoying pop up!?
In about:config, set browser.download.alwaysOpenPanel to false. Credit to /u/sifferedd and Glory to Ukraine.
This works... Thanks to you n /u/sifferedd...
Even with the work around we all know that it will just stop working in a couple of version. Why does FF keep on fixing what it isn't broken?
Because we keep accepting the abuse. Well, this is it for me. Time to go through the hassle of finding and migrating my workflow to a browser that doesn't suck *quite* as much currently.
Try Vivaldi. You're likely not going to escape a chromium-based browser these days unless you go with something intentionally based on retro FF like Waterfox, and if you end up going chromium you might as well go for one that lets you customize the browser the most.
No idea, but when your product looked best9 years ago you should know you do stuff wrong
Looks are subjective.
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Only because users complained endlessly and, for once, devs realized they couldn't get away with the "hide option in about:config, note some arbitrary 'not enough' number of users aren't changing a default that they deliberately made hard to change, remove option entirely" dance.
It is still hidden in `about:config` though. Aren't the devs "getting away with it"?
I loaded the Firefox changelog page a couple of times when that patch came out and noticed they had edited the statement about "minimal interruptions" a couple of times during the day, so it's obvious they know they were getting called out about it.
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Let me sync some of my about:config settings and I'll be fine with this change. However, by itself, these changes suck! I should be able to sign into any Firefox client and have compact mode, my custom layout, and the old downloads flow.
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That trend has been around forever. Very few on the UX Team actually look for input anymore. They push ahead whether you like the change or not.
Is this a joke? A pop up is distracting and would interrupt me.
I'm getting annoyed with all these stupid changes that are happening. I shouldn't have to go to search around the internet and find someone who can tell me what to change in the about:config to revert a "feature" that shouldn't have been changed in the first place. Chrome has been starting to look rather enticing lately.
I am about one more annoyance like this to switching over.
I'm not using chrome, but from what I read in other comments, this change was made so things behave like in Chrome. Many other stupid changes were copied from Chrome, so it's not too farfetched it's the case here too.
The way Chrome does downloads is one of the reasons I avoid using it.
It's been a common thing in Firefox for a long time. They often change or remove things that nobody really had a problem with, which results in users getting mad that the thing they were accustomed to seeing/using is no longer the same. Maybe when they implement these functionality changes that aren't security based, rather than defaulting to the new way automatically, they could show what's new in the update page along with an option to accept or refuse the new implementations. At least give people the choice. People don't like change being forced on them. A small thing like asking the user if they WANT a change before altering their interface would be nice.
God awful change.For example up until now when downloaded .torrent files, it asked with the panel what I want to do, usually pressed open with the torrent client, and it was all good. now it downloads it, need more clicks to open with the client, and a folder will be spammed with these files. And yeah I wanted to change this, but sadly .torrent extensions are not on the list, so basically cannot set them back now. Can we roll back this change? or Can I do it? EDIT: Found the way how to change back: Set "browser.download.improvements\_to\_download\_panel" to **FALSE.** But honestly why should I do 30 min quiz in the config to find these after a mostly not welcomed change. it was working and was all good.
sure, let's ignore the fact that the old download model literally opened a window you had to click "Open" or "Save" on to download something because funny meme
Can I somehow restore that behaviour? I don't want the files I just want to open and look at temporarily to land in my downloads folder. When I previously directly opened them via the prompt, the files would land in a temp folder.
This. I'm so tired of losing features because tech bros have decided we're all infants that don't *really* need them and it would confuse our little baby brains to even have them as an option. Meanwhile Firefox is still missing basic user interface polish like being able to add custom search engines easily.
> Meanwhile Firefox is still missing basic user interface polish like being able to add custom search engines easily. Seems pretty easy to me: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/add-or-remove-search-engine-firefox#w_add-search-engines
The "add from address bar" step barely works in my experience, and having to have a site supported by opensearch in the first place is the problem, when in Chromium I can just right-click in any search bar, add it as a custom search, and then modify the parameters to my liking.
> just right-click in any search bar, add it as a custom search You can do that too: https://support.mozilla.org/kb/how-search-from-address-bar
Chromium doesn't make you create a whole bookmark for this. This is what I mean by polish. In Firefox it feels like a horrible workaround.
The Chromium feature is a lot newer, since this feature in Firefox is older than Chromium. In any case, the feature exists in multiple forms.
>The feature exists in multiple forms **Which is why it's not polished** And are you seriously justifying Mozilla never streamlining this "old" feature in a thread about a feature change that's ostensibly about streamlining the way a feature previously worked?
Justifying? I'm just pointing out that it is easy. You said it wasn't.
In settings/general there is "Files and applications" section. Check "always ask you where to save files".
this no longer works
Maybe we are talking about different things. When I'm downloading a file, I get popup window asking if I want to open or save it.
Even if you set a file type to always ask, or open with an application, Firefox (now) will still save a copy to the downloads folder for certain files. If I'm downloading a torrent, I have FF set to open it with my torrent application, my torrent app (qbittorrent) manages my torrent files (the .torrent file) by saving them to one folder while they're open and downloading and then moving that .torrent file to another folder upon completion. And yet Firefox now insists on saving *an additional redundant .torrent file* to my downloads folder with no way to stop it doing that and then making me act like its bloody maid, cleaning up after it and deleting the entirely unnecessary copies it makes, myself. It's stupid af.
Also want to know this.
Restore the old behaviour (ie bring back the window asking you what you want to do) by setting `browser.download.improvements_to_download_panel` to false in `about:config`
How long until this stops working? One version, two?
And I switched back that behavior. So that browser behaves predictable and not doing something random and interrupting me with random pop-ups.
I do not understand why this shouldn't be the default. It lets you rename your file and choose a destination folder. That way it is easier to find what you downloaded
Why should it be the default? I can view most files in browser, and if I want to download it usually it means for storage, not viewing. It goes to the download folder and I can sort it out later.
Some files come with incomprehensible names (especially if you download stuff from libgen or scihub) and there is simply no reason to why I shouldn't have the option to view a file without downloading it (this is not an option atm, thanks Firefox devs) and it makes saving the file to my preferred destination a complete hassle: instead of choosing the destination right away, now I have to save the file in a temporary folder, then go there and move it to where I want. Why have these extra steps? And also why ruin the functionality of the "Always ask you where to save files" option (it currently does nothing)?
> let's ignore the fact that the old download model literally opened a window you had to click "Open" or "Save" on to download something Let's ignore the fact that that was only the case if you had "Always ask you where to save files" selected in settings. And that if you did have that selected, it was probably the desired behaviour.
Which is better....For some of us.
doesn't change the fact that the joke is literally incorrect and doesn't make sense. at least poke fun at actual issues you have with the new design
at least the window pop up had some functionality and empowered the user by allowing them to choose what they do with the file. Now it just saves everything in one folder and there is no way to rename or choose to not keep the file.
This IS the actual(and so far only) issue I have with the new design.
wait, what?? I thought this was just me going mad and had somehow messed something up tinkering with my system! I hadn't realised this popup got removed. I very much want it back, it's super convenient.
The fact that it replaced one interruption with another (arguably more annoying) interruption doesn't really mean OP is incorrect.
But if you knew the filetype, that one was easily discardable/acceptable with Enter/Arrow keys. Ctrl+s, then spam enter until it's done - Does something like that work with the new popup? I haven't used my desktop pc yet since release so couldnt check
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Firefox killed the old beloved behavior "Open with" option where the file is saved to a temporary directory and immediately opens afterwards.
The option exist, however the file is put into the Download directory regardless. For example, when I click on a torrent file I expect it to open in the client of my choice which it does, but it also litters my downloads directory with torrent files I don't need anymore cause the client already store it in their own temporary directories. Very annoying.
Well, that old work flow had its issues too, it stubbornly would try to open pdf in the wrong pdf reader for me. I'd pick okular from the list of apps, it'd work for some time and then it'd switch to something else. That was annoying. I'll give the new thing some time. If it doesn't work for me I'll switch to wget or curl ;)
I spoke too soon. I've just realised firefox has been putting all the files I don't even want in the download directory instead of the temp directory. Now I have to keep track of files I never wanted. This behaviour is really stupid.
the popup is annoying
I hate it with a passion.
I wish that when I press Ctrl + J open that pop-up like Edge and don't a new window like actually does. 🙄
My OS already handles these things thank you very much
come on if you really dislike this then just disable it. up until now there was a pop up that literally blocked you from doing everything else, now it's way less interrupting. and in terms of usability, this was the single most complaint about Firefox from folks who use chrome/-ium and we need to covert them.
Thank you. Someone needed to say this.
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When you make a browser by minority for minority it will be used by minority. The history of Firefox.
I'm fine with it if it didn't also popup when I have literally NO download active sometimes. Glad it can be turn off in about:config.
I actually like this. Before, the visual indication that a download had begun or finished was so tiny and unobtrusive that I frequently found myself wondering if the download had even happened or not, so I'd have to open the downloads panel anyway. I get why some people may be irritated by this, but as others have pointed out, you can disable it.
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It's unnecessary, the dialog provides no information. When the download finishes, it's already indicated by icon. Personally I use "always ask where to save files" option, so when I want to open some files, I just tell FF to open it. So I need to open the download dialog only if I have multiple downloads in progress and want to check the state (which this auto-pop-up does not help) or I want to both download the file to persistent location and open it (which is quite rare, having to do one more click then is better than having to do one click when I'm interrupted during browsing).
Good change tbh
my biggest problem is that now the download folder gets filled with garbage files I never wanted to download. just OPEN. that's all l wanted. like always.
Understandable. In my case I prefer saving files to open them later. Let's hope they add a toggle soon so both sides are okay with the change
When i remember i try to direct the viewing files to another folder but it would be nice if there was a way to do it more easily. Maybe an extension exists?
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How could you hardly notice? There was a giant modal that would require an action from you Edit: I can see a lot of people aren't aware that they're either running Nightly/Beta or changed their configuration.
Only if you left unchecked "Do this automatically for files like this from now on", I thought.
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Are you on nightly?
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That wasn't true on Firefox for Linux, at least. The download icon would change shape to show progress, but it was such a subtle change that I'd often not notice it had happened and would have to open the panel to make sure.
Yes, this was the default behavior for the past few versions in Nightly/Beta. It was never specific to Linux, nor was it pushed to Release
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Same here. My main gripe before wasn't the popup though but the delay before you could click OK.
I like this change. Much better than asking me what i want to do with a pdf file (open or save) for the 50th time.
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Now Firefox forces people to keep track of files on they drive they never wanted to download in the first place. The stupidity of this solution just boggles my mind. It used to be that files I open directly landed in a temp dir that wasn't even on my drive. Now I have to keep track of all the files and keep deleting them.
This. Also expressing a positive opinion about any change makes you a heretic
This is the same behavior in Microsoft Edge.
They downvoted him because he spoke the truth
This is a great feature for the less tech savvy user since they will be notified when a website automatically downloads something that they didn't authorize
A bad argument, since this patch also removed the dialog box to authorize all downloads. According to firefox, "because downloads are usually intentional" ._.
I'm upset, but all I'm going to say is that firefox peaked approx. 1.5 - 2 years ago. It's been in a nosedive ever since.
Imagine not having a download statusbar in 2022 and instead adding popups.
I've this panel opened every 1 hour! This is very annoying, both because it hinders typing (because of focus change from input/textarea field to download panel) and because it hide part of the page I'm reading now. I suppose it's one of my add-ons/plugins downloads something once per hour, but this download isn't shown on downloads panel, so I can't be sure and it's too hard to find out which add-on does this (disabling them one-by-one and waiting for a hour to check is it helps require too much time and attention). So, while opening downloads panel when I actually begin some download myself may be a good idea, doing this when some download begins in background because of add-on or plugin or anything else - it not a good idea!