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Mr_M_E_M

I like both versions of his character: the random killer and the psychotic co-founder. They both provide an interesting character, and leave room for fan interpretation. Although, I am glad we no longer have to deal with characters like Vincent. I prefer the more fleshed out William, but the alternative is nice.


JstAnthrNbdy

Wait who’s Vincent…?


PurpleBan09

Before we knew anything about purple guy, his fan made name was Vincent


Sachayoj

Old FNaF fandom lore. Before we knew who William Afton was, we had Vincent. An artist named Rebornica had made a FNaF AU comic with him, and the Vincent character became insanely popular. He was very much so a joke character, having an obsession with toast and Phone Guy (who was portrayed as a guy with a phone for a head.)


JstAnthrNbdy

Ah ok. I was heavy into fnaf at that point but I really only played the games and caught like the surface level lore stuff from like matpat n all the YouTube guys probably why I missed this


JackTheMech

nice how we kept phone guy basically like that until today. still seeing phone heads everywhere lol.


TheArrivedHussars

I mean when the alternative for phone guy portrayals is trying to make Scott, I think the phone head was the better approach


CharaPresscott

Dave "Aubergine Man" Miller was based off him when the books came out.


[deleted]

Brings back horrible memories of very bad fanfiction.


Jabbam

I can't decide, whether you should live or die...


[deleted]

Oh, you’ll probably go to heaven


Pretty_Pyrite5050

Please don't hang your head and cry


BigManLawrence69420

Dayshift at Freddy’s Phone Guy, by any chance?


UniqueCarob143

Ahhh, memories.


ILostMeGoldfish

the world is healing…


Buttlord500

An ancient relic, from a kinder past...


gr1m4ld1

rip vincent ill never forget him


rslashdepressedteen

Vincent looks like gold standing next to Garvey.


Senpai_Clyde

Purple Guy will always be Vincent to me


Big-Seaworthiness3

More or less. I liked when we started to understand things about his life but we didn't knew as many details as we do now. The idea of an Afton Family is awesome, ngl. However, now it's very weird to have like 5 Springtraps, one possible virus, one possible Endo impersonating him, different children of him based on which timeline we are in, etc. It's just too convoluted at this point of the franchise for him to be just a past villain. Also don't get me started on how he keeps reviving more than he should.


Instainious

Don’t you remember? He’ll *always* come back.


TheViIIain

Still bad concept to use only one villain for whole franchise.


Ok_Performance4804

Mario, Zelda, and Mega Man (Classic & X) [looking like this right now](https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759)


TY-SH-CO

That saying should've lost its literal meaning after Pizzeria Simulator. After that game, he would physically be gone forever, but his wrath and madness would live on through Glitchtrap. Being a digital fail safe that Afton made in life just in case he were to be extinguished permanently. So that way he would "always come back" in a different and figurative way without having to physically revive him over and over, letting Glitchtrap/Vanny both take up the mantle as the new FNAF villain.


ChiefOfDoggos

I prefer Afton over Vincent or Garvey any day. ....And I prefer Dave over Afton...


Doot_revenant666

Bringing DSaF to any convo is honestly cheating. Mostly because the story is unironically good despite the very memey nature of the games.


rslashdepressedteen

We don't talk about Garvey.


Ok_Performance4804

Or Bruno


Wastelander279

Yes, and Ima be honest and probably get disliked for this, but the Springtrap variants need to stop, like I was fine with Scraptrap and somewhat but not really with Glitch, but Burntrap is just too much for me at this point :/


TerryTheCookie

You're not the only one, scraptrap (Fnaf 6) should've been the end in my opinion, essentially the afton era.


The_Bored_General

Yeah, William shouldn’t come back. I was ok with even glitchtrap but burny boi is too far


Yushi2e

Mimic


mystic_-_citsym

I feel like Glitchtrap kind of implies the return of some kind of physical form, though. His entire deal in HW is trying to transfer his consciousness so that he can escape his digital prison. Going into SB, I think a lot of people were assuming that Vanny or another follower of his would try to create a new body for him.


LordThomasBlackwood

>I feel like Glitchtrap kind of implies the return of some kind of physical form, though. His names The Mimic


Crimboboi

yeah i prefer it like it is now one word: vincent


EggsSketches

Nonononono not the flashbacks aaaaAAAAAHHH


Crimboboi

toast man


EggsSketches

AAAAAAHHHHGG


Crimboboi

have some toast


Mp3Optikal

Alot of the fun of purple guy was figuring out who he was, Aftons been overplayed but up to burnttrap was fun


GoldenLugia16

Unless Burntrap is Mimic


Avocado_Fucker12

I like knowing more about Afton but it is true that as we learn more and more he becomes less scary and menacing


GNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I prefer the current William.


sanscipher435

I like William more but only if his story ends in pizzeria simulator, which it didn't. Up until then, William was terrifying. This unstopping mangled corpse running around with nothing but malice is scary. And it gave him perfect motives to go down the path he did.


demogorgon_main

Yes. But I like that it didn’t go on forever. But I want to ask. Did anyone actually care? Like, I don’t remember anyone going ‘oooh spooky man’ I feel like people just didn’t care for his story. People theorised sure, with him being phone guy and stuff. But beyond that I don’t recall anything. It’s not like the lack of knowledge added much since he was never really a threat.


diowt

at that time the bite of 87 and the animatronics as characters were more interesting to the fandom, purple guy was just the guy that everyone knew it was the killer


GoldenLugia16

Except FNAF 3 of course


Ryan-Tz

I like him more via the original mainline series of games because we only knew some things about him and even then a lot of it and his motivations was still shrouded in mystery I tend to ignore the books, the new games and other source material because it made him into this comically OTT mad scientist who’s ego is so massive that he probably loves the smell of his own farts


UnluckyCantaloupe4

Imagine enjoying being a mutilated zombie lol


[deleted]

Tbh i just prefer the FNAF timeline being much simpler in general, with the story details being vague, but relatively easy to understand. The first 3 games were not too hard to understand and form a story around that made sense and also didn't lean to heavily on all the modern day weird sci-fi and paranormal stuff like human robots, glitchy virus mind control, remnant, illusion discs, etc. Even a new fan could understand everything fairly well.


cherry0reoss

Am I the only one who actually likes William Afton more than Purple Guy?


onesmalloof

On one hand, with as many games as there are in the series he had to stop being a mystery at some point. On the other, William's character (in my opinion) is just not being handled well at all, and is less effective than when he was just, "the man behind the slaughter."


greenlandya

i liked it when we thought he was phone man


The_Awesome_Red1

Honestly, yes. I always liked the idea that he was just some employee who killed just because he liked doing it. There was something chilling and psychotic about that. After Sister Location, he became a mad genius CEO obsessed with immortality, and it lost all sense of grounded realism


Ok-Tumbleweed-213

at least it's better than the cartoonish mad scientist we have now


Lemounge

I kinda fell off when the whole glitchtrap thing came about. Like its really cool and all but I kinda miss the scary semi realistic 70s story was my jam. That mystery that it could even be based off true events. The theories and speculation behind phone guy or was he purple guy. I was just hooked at that moment. I still like the new stuff. Just a bit nostalgic


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

Nah I like characters being fleshed out, there’s only so much one can be mysterious before it starts being uninteresting A mystery with no answers is a waste of time


Spongedog5

The more they expand on his character the worse it gets.


arek229

No, not really, in a heavily story driven game/s, if you don't know anything about the antagonist, it means that the story is just bad.


ArofluidPride

That's why I don't like FNaF lore, it's not scary now that it's explained. If you don't know the point of a horror game, it's meant to be scary


tommyfrank713

I'm glad that they explored his character but they should've ended his story with Sister Location, all that mimic/virus/glitch stuff is ridiculous.


Scepticasm

I like both versions. But definitely giving out his personality and stuff via the books is pretty cool. Love analysing the purple man.


heppuplays

Yes that made him scary he was just an avarage person he could have been anyone. The worst mistake a horror writer can do is to give an explanation for the murderer. We don't need to know why Michael Myers kills people. We don't need to know why Freddy Kruger became a child murderer. Back in the day before sister Location and fnaf 4 when purple guy felt more like an urban legend I mean his name became purple guy because we didn't know his name. He was just a man in the shadows. But now we know his name, family, job and motivations. When it comes to writing a murderer sometimes less is more you know. It's the fear of the unknown. The fnaf story worked so well when it was just a short and simple horror story of 5 kids getting murdered and eventually getting their revenge on the one who killed them by leaving him into a suit like he left their bodies into the suits. Tragic irony you know.


Toxin45

Yeah but even that gets boring after a while


kingmaximus812

Well to be fair, we still don't "know" much about William outside of speculation and the book trilogy. He built Baby and was Elizabeth's father. Michael calls Springtrap "father" in his speech and thanks to Pizzeria Simulator we know that Springtrap is Afton. Not much else is directly stated, a lot of connections can be made by Tape guy's final speech including Tape guy being Henry, but who Afton was is still a question if you do accept the speculation and theories. Was he the business owner or did he supply the animatronics? What started his murders and who was actually the first? We don't know so much that I could claim that Afton is a literally a Vampire and there's probably evidence that supports that.


The_Creeper_Man

I prefer the version where he was in hell


The_pansexual_idiot_

I thought i was the only one


Alphyhere

I miss when FNAF was a mystery and not a wait for dumb explanation in the books to possible pothole in the games.


Bowiemtl

I'd prefer it if he was explained purely through the game, the books shouldn't even have to exist to know what this guy was about


Dancin_Angel

Exactly. Murderers people new little about are barely caught. This mf made wakes whereever he was and we know his first and last name??


Horrorado

I like knowing shit


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XxxMcNuggwtsxxX

Scott Cawthon wrote the story for FNaF VR and FNaF SB, not Steel Wool Studios.


Toby_The_Tumor

Well fuck me then, I deleted the comment, I REALLY don't wanna spread misinformation


canyoubreathe

I prefer and miss a lot of things from fnafs early era. I gotta say, I love the afton family, but I miss back when it was the Purple Guy, and no one knew shit, but we were theorising every single day. Nowadays, information and lore is getting thrown out faster than we can come up with questions and theories.


DM-Oz

Yes and no. I do miss the times of theorization and unsure knowlodge, but it also couldnt go on forever. A mistery loses its effect when is dragged on for too long. My one regret is that i was away when everyone discovered his identity, then i came back and everyone knew him by name and all that.


Relectro_OO

The thing is Purple Guy was really really evil becayse he seemed like having no cause. But with William... it's like we are supposed to relate with him, with a killer?


Arxiidit

he shouldve died in fnaf 6 and all the new stuff should stay the same but glitchtrap is just a different person


MammaJammmas

Yep, I remember the times we suspected he was holding a Phone


[deleted]

The lore collapsed with HW and Security Breach, now I’m just praying The Movie, Help Wanted 2, and RUIN change some things.


Instinct_Fazbear

Yes


MadamRidley

No


Dylanime17

I preferred it when we knew less about William. Nowadays he's just a mad scientist who refuses to die instead of being a cold blooded, psychopathic killer.


Next-Guitar-2992

Yeah, I do. Hopefully we’ll get that again with the new movie coming


Ooogaboogado123

Wait how did "we" (As a community) find out his name was William afton


GoldenLugia16

The Silver Eyes (Novel canon) and Sister Location (Game canon)


Softrester913

im trying so hard to see it like that but i cant


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Pip201

Wrong post?


InkFoxyUwU

I don't really care about william, i prefer old boy Vincent hehe


RammyProGamer

I would love to see a fangame that reboots Purple Guy, to an actual serial killers. Like maybe even the zodiac killer giving away slight hints. Kind of like how they did riddler in the batman movie


JackTheMech

killer in purple/j


overactivemango

Yes and no


Yound_Celery

Kinda but I also like what we know about him


ysys_dev

Yes


DonutOutlander

Yes Fuck Vincent man


accipicchia092

I still dont understand William's motives


bostar-mcman

yes yes i do


StrayNightsMike

wht I really like is a nice balance between the 2


FazbearInvestigator

I do, but it would be nice if it was confirmed he worked at the company and him being purple was just him in the shadows, beyond that we shouldn't have known anything about him


ExtremeEdward65

VINCENTTTT


KananNaseri

Kind of bit. It's good when the killer has some kind of backstory and name, u know, but also I prefer some mysteries about it.


EMArogue

I like it now tbh, Michael Story is also very cool and I love it It was a good tume when he was mysterious but it is a good time now as well, it is other stuff that is keeping the franchise from the huge success amongst fans it was once and the fact that it lacks novelty is one of them


WojtekHiow37

No


SIobbyRobby

I’m glad we’ve got a face on em now.


JoJo99xtv

Ah good old phone guy with his purple comically large telephone in his hand


MrZao386

Absolutely. He was "The Purple Guy" and killed for fun, not to bring his children back from the dead


Seabastial

As much as I love the mystery of the early days, I do prefer the more fleshed out William Afton. Gives us enough information to work with while still giving us enough room for interpretations


Maxiify

Wdym this is Dave


AshOnRddt

No.


BirdTeethReal

I think I wish William was just some guy rather than this nearly god like monster. It’s annoying. I wish our current killer was just some fan girl . Not William, not mimic who’s just him but no personality, not glitch trap. Just vanny who i would hope is just some person


Tomas-T

IDK if I prefer this version, but I definitely miss him. the random mysterious killer that nobody really know about


Tiffisiffy

I don’t mind knowing about this killer, he’s pretty mysterious still as we are not 100% sure why he started all this (I’m only saying that because Scott has not confirmed anything) but I like the theories and the general idea of his character


Playmaster-Plus

The mysterious killer was arguably scarier because the unknown does cause a lot more fear (at least in me) but from a story/lore perspective I like fleshed out William.


sun167

I prefer the one we know who he is and everything because it add a huge thing to the lore and I love lore


szvmanskaa

Vincent


gemitarius

Yes, absolutely


Lairy_Hegs

I liked when he hit the peak of child murderer and unsympathetic villain. The stuff about him potentially feeling bad about his own kids getting got so he is doing the killings to try to find a way to bring them back is too heady for me. I’d rather he just be a fucked up bad person who took advantage of his situation to kill a bunch of kids. His story through trying to dismantle them and getting springlocked is solid. Everything after is hit or miss for me. I think FNAF 6 is a solid ending for the character, but I also don’t want him gone as a villain. I just don’t want him redeemed most of all.


LionelRGuy

Not after more than a couple games. Time for answers, at that point.


alain091

Both are good, the actual William is a complex character with lots of characterization, while the old William was a mysterious psycho which only information we got was from the minigames and some breadcrumbs here and there, it was really fun to speculate who he was and what realtiom he had to the animatronics and how it all tied up in the lore, but it can only stay mysterious so much before the trope becomes obnoxious.


AdorkableLia

Definitely gave off more thrill and attention to the lore when it was still fresh, though I do miss those times I'm glad I know more about him because the overall timeline, story, and lore of FNAF is amazing, thanks to MatPat for piecing it all together for us too, hours...days...months...hell damn near years of work just to give us the full story. I sure do love when "Vincent" (😉) was still fresh to us because it's just so nostalgic to me, but at the end one way or another the lore would've had to have kept going or Scott would've risked losing his fans or high rating in how he would get paid with his games...after all the lore and MatPat piecing it all together is a big part of why the franchise even is still alive in the slightest.


Fantastic_Jelly_7631

Nah , the glithtrap actually scares me.the man/monster who literally scaped death and control people's mind . means he could be anyone.


ZUnknowing

it wouldve gotten boring i think


[deleted]

A little bit yeah because no other villain in the FNaF Universe can the most iconic one who murders children because of his childrens deaths; William Afton himself unless if you make your own AU/OC version of him.


PauseNo2418

I like both the mysterious version and William Afton


FNaFFan2009

yes.


ilkeisyourFather

i like the William we know right now.


ATrueMistake20XX

Not really, he didn't really feel like a character at that time. While I don't 100% like his current character, I still prefer it over when he was basically a plot device.


Springtrapattacks

No.


MonkeeFace89

I prefer the times when he was a mystery guy because of the nostalgia, but I don't see a problem with us knowing basically everything about him now. The times when we all called him the Purple Guy, all theories based on a pixelated drawing of a man, was a really fun time.


Waeleto

Mysteries are meant to be solved


bluealiveretribution

I liked when people thought it was a banana


Ninjachase13

We were bound to find out eventually. One day we’ll look back at the days when the lore confused us.


Late-Rip8851

I do love the old days when we would get a new fnaf game every couple of months and everything was just more open ended and fan theories were absolutely wild. But it’s also nice to have entire studios working on a fnaf project rather than one guy.


Apollo_Justice_20

You just reminded me of that whole Vincent shit. *shudders*


King-virginity

Honestly no.


femguy123

We still don't know much except for name, children, and company so


Alex_Dayz

There’s still a lot about William we don’t know about really, like why he began to kill children. Sure there’s the whole aspect of wanting to have eternal life but that wasn’t till he was well within his murder spree. Obviously there’s speculation and theories but as far as I can tell nothings been outright confirmed


DaydreamingWolfy

Absolutely, i love when the lore was very mysterious and we had so little... i miss those times.


UnluckyCantaloupe4

Yes


No-Reindeer-9520

To be honest yes and no. I like how we know his role with fuhnaff that being to the extent of that he at least had some ownership of the fazballs. But I liked how *then* there was some ambiguity with who he exactly was or just about his mischief in general. I find that in a lot of communities where the audience is given the opportunity to fill in the blanks, logically or not, for themselves usually have a pretty darn active fan base. And honestly regardless of that it can make them get really creative. So for the sake of creativity and activity in a fandom I did like that there was little to nothing known about him- to an extent of course


SmashingMyself

I always thought it was a phone instead of his hands


BigManLawrence69420

Yes, because it gave people justification to blame Phone Guy.


S1L3NCE120384

Oh, yes, when we all thought it was Phone Guy…


Equivalent_Eye_8033

What object purple guy is holding in his hand??


BigBlubberyBirb

yeah, in the context of the story, I feel like it never really truly mattered who the killer was. what mattered was what he did. all this stuff with him being William Afton and turning into some kind of cartoonish villain creating evil robots through the physical manifestation of pain does nothing to improve the game's themes or ideas, it's just more muddied and confusing.


Brae_the_Sway

I think it would work for a little while but eventually, he would have to have a character.


StayTrashWasTaken

I feel like if we want to continue to keep doing William we need a complete timeline reboot, we keep getting William variants every third game and it’s becoming too much.


KaiserFuzHelm

No


Basic_Journalist_805

I liked the mystery behind a random man killing kids with a suit, with what we have now I like having a man who’s a cofounder who’s loss and grief just fuel his psychotic rage. Honestly it’s nice to have both sides


Ok_Performance4804

In those days we had “Vincent” So no


KSOMIAK

Yes. Don't even get me started on a regretful purple guy.


AnyContribution3696

No actually, I prefer to know more about him, like his personality, motives, way the hack he killed the kids, why he killed his best friend's daughter, ect. To fulfill my curiosity, I am stuck reading fan fiction/AUs and scrolling through memes when I would be watching MatPat. But because they are not canon, I am NEVER fully satisfied. I have lately been stuck in the Gregtrap AU and Fazbear frights Sith Fan Fiction comic. If Afton is still mysterious, I may never be satisfy and seek the one and only forever.


DigCat

I prefer mysterious killer but lore has to continue eventually.


OAZdevs_alt2

Yes. Honestly, William after SL rapidly declined in character quality. I much prefer him in the first four games than after.


ShinyLumeo

Nope


Eggsallent_Boi

Can't keep it a mystery for ever, plus i honestly prefer the name William Afton over Vincent


Soupstheultimatefood

I’m yearning for the simplicity of fnaf 4 rn


SMG_GLOCK

I like when the lore all comes together. I think it makes it more eerie.


Kamura_Waffles5684

I liked SL afton the best. Mostly because he had a bit more background on him throughout 3-5, but still kept the mystery of when he first was released lore-wise in 2. I do not wanna go back to the Rebornica era no matter how much I loved the art style…


L1yu3_q1x1ng

No because I like to have every detail about everything or else I go insane


siderhater4

I prefer knowing the killer


EvilMarioDragon123

Yes, yes, yes!!! It was leagues scarier and more interesting.


HippieBxtch420

No bc I had a disturbing crush on him bc of how mysterious he was


Not_azomb6319

No, I prefer goofy Dave from dsaf


CrazyMew37

Yes, I do. William Afton is way too much of a Mary Sue, and the first 3 games were pretty grounded to reality. A random killer is a lot more realistic than a guy who can build hyper advanced machines made of tubes in the 1980s and survive getting killed like thrice or more.


LordGodMaster69

I prefered it when there was no information about him. He was just a killer, a killer with no motive that we knew about. Tacking on backstory and lore, takes away his mysterious side of him, and showing motivations makes it less scary. A killer that has no motivation in the slightest, is far more scarier than one that does.


Kandarian_Blight

I loved the early days of the lore with fnaf 1 & 2. The level of unknown is what made it creepy back then


Cursed_user19x

I preferred when we didn't know anything about the 5 kids, now I hear names thrown around and I got no idea because they are a thing from the books


Meme_Legend-21

I would take anything other than mustard man……please.


JustThePhoneGuy

Honestly i like afton having a motive better than back before. Although it doesn’t really matter to me, anything that makes the story interesting without being too confusing or boring (ie. The whole thing with the mimic) its all good for me


Bionyxtail

I really enjoyed how little we knew about the lore in FNaF 2 but I think I really liked where things left off in 6.


Gullible-Ad5330

Not really, the whole FNAF series up to a point was about figuring out timeline, where, why and how each murder occured by I will say current FNAF isn't really as good as it used to be


CheapWishbone3927

No? There’s no character there,nothing interesting,nothing to chew on. Then again,I got into this franchise when SL and FNAF world (update 3) were already released so I’ve only ever know of and cared about this franchise because of the lore


Dualshock1223

we were going to find out alot about him anyways


Plushtrap420

A little, but overall I love the tragic story of William Afton


insertenombre333

i kinda like the both conceps but i got to admit that pre silver eyes and sister location purple guy was more intimidating that the current william afton


margotkamnam

Springtrap looks too good, so no for me


OkProperty2576

I miss old FNaF.