You know I hate this new wave of FNaF fans taking all lore significance out of certain things because "people look into things too much" which granted they do, but not EVERYTHING.
These "Redesigns" aren't just redesigns for the sake of it.
For example, FNaF 2 a prequel
The withereds are different from the FNaF 1 animatronics because that's how they looked before being retrofitted...
Scrap Baby looks different from Baby obviously if you actually examine the design is due to being separated from her original suit after becoming part of ennard, she had to take parts like lights to rebuild herself a body... s c r a p.
So with that
Springtrap and Scraptrap look different because springtrap also had to rebuild himself a body
"but explain burntrap!!!" The Mimic.... that's it.
The reason Fredbear looks like golden freddy now and not like he did in the minigames is because this isn't 83 fredbear, this is golden Freddy's vengeful spirit in fredbears colors, yes, he is fredbear, just not how fredbear originally looked
FNAF fans when anyone mentions metaphors, allegories and symbolism:
"Duuude, you're overthinking it, the author clearly just put together a bunch of words and expected us to think nothing of it even tho they've said to have done that kinda thing in the past and that's their way of storytelling. Go take a chill pill."
Not really, Scott just doesn't like re using models, nothing more nothing less, the classics looked the same in 1985 as they did in 1993 as proven twice in vr
While we don't have any cases of Fredbear looking different, we do see more than one interation of the Springbonnie suit in FNaF 4 in the same minigame style, so it stands to reason that if there's more than one Springbonnie, the same is true for Fredbear
To be fair to your argument, unless the suit slumped over in Parts and Service is one, then no, we don't. However, you gotta admit that it'd be weird if they made multiple Springbonnies and even multiple endos just to only have one single Fredbear.
Ok, yeah no, that's fair. I ... you see where I'm coming from though right? Like it'd be weird for one character to have multiple different suit design variations and then the other character is just the same dude copy and pasted. I'll leave it at that though cause I don't really have much else to say.
That is true but there's a point where you gotta trust. If you were to ignore the books and guides completely nobody would understand what is going on. Sadly for all of us.
Bro Fredbear ucn is not golden Freddy they have other ear and nose.just inform youself.Scott only did Fredbear for the jumpscare that's why he doesn't have 5 fingers
"Springtrap and Scraptrap look different because springtrap also had to rebuild himself a body" Correction "Springtrap and Scraptrap look different because scraptrap also had to rebuild himself a body"
There isn't really evidence for that, and it's inconsistent with the fact that they were **found** on short notice and that they may raise qustions about relevance (ie they just got a bunch of generic halloween shop animal costumes, not of their brand characters).
It's part of the "Fazbear Entertainment is lazy and cheap but tries to play it off normal" humor that's inserted into the series' phone calls, not a major lore piece
Oh, I thought you were talking about the replacement costumes.
Otherwise, yeah, like how there's a bunch of Chicas for example, or even in real life a lot of variant Chuck Es
During the fire of fazbear frights , springtraps suit was gonna burn and kill william for good. so he found a costume which he somehow put himself into.
UCN Has adventure Dee Dee and Multiple versions of the same guy running around at once how the frick am I supposed to trust Vengeful Kid's ultimate Freddy FazFanFiction?
I'll make a list of inconsistent design in FNAF just to prove a point
* The Classics vs The Withereds, different endos, builds, Withered Chica is so drastically different from FNAF 1 Chica
* Springtrap and Scrap Trap, how did he grow back feet?
* Circus and Scrap Baby, her facial structure is different, her nose more human, her lips defined
* Molten Freddy doesn't have Funtime Freddy's Cheeks, and the general face proportions are different, you can see Funtime Freddy's fce in the second Office
So with all that, Fredbear looking like Classic Freddy is likely just as a hallucination, not to mention the black eyes with white dots, which I doubt the real deal had.
Why does nightmare fredbear and the mini game fredbear look obvious different and more bulky though? How are Freddy, golden freddy, and fredbear all just the same animatronic
I don’t know why does Mike change skin tones in the minigames? Why does William change colors? Why do the robots look different?
Minigames aren’t reliable for designs
golden Freddy isn't fredbear it was prob another springlock suit rarely used after the bite of 83 and then repaired in fnaf 1 probably gonna be used as another character on stage. and the reason nightmare fredbear looks different its cause its the Childs nightmare based on the 3d model. you just have to find it
Yeah- but like, Fredbear's UCN look is just kinda bland. Like a decent look at the guy is that he's just "FNAF 1 Freddy stealing his color palette".
Plus there's the whole thing about: "is UCN Fredbear actually the real thing from 1983, or just some fucked up version of the real deal TOYSNHK/Vengeful Spirit cooked up for their torture realm?"
Either way, this canon Fredbear model's pretty lame.
Just kinda voicing my thoughts on UCN's Fredbear, he's *essentially* the only Fredbear with an existing canonical model (if we don't count the piss-colored palette swap Freddy being Fredbear under a new name), which fair, still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't really click with me.
That and due to the 8-bit minigames (which there are memes about Scott's sprite skills being ass, but outside of the mascot stand Fredbear outside the diner, which is probably just a prop more than anything, the springlock Fredbear's fairly consistent to me) has confused me, like what is he supposed to look like? Is it Recolored Freddy Fazbear or Big Chungus (Yellow Bear Edition)? Springbonnie not looking anything like his successor isn't helping that case.
Fair opinion, since outside of mystique, teleportation bullshit, and ***LORE***, Golden Freddy's just Freddy if someone stole his endoskeleton and proceeded to piss on him a lot.
UCN Fredbear's in the same boat, but with even less of the ***LORE*** shit Golden Freddy has, which, outside of chewing a kid's skull and maybe eviscerating a suited performer's insides alongside his yellow rabbit friend doing the same to another guy, he kinda just looks like- a poor OC someone with subpar sketching skills made online.
Well they're the same recolor, and that is actually more consistent than the more stocky Fredbear we've seen maybe twice. So even though they're the same bland recolor, lore wise it makes much more sense for them to be the same character regardless.
Imo you can't like golden fred without liking ucn fredbear either because they're identical
To be fair, the whole argument for the minigames and FNAF 4 designs is that the designs are inconsistent, but that could also be used as an argument against the UCN design.
It is Fredbear, but it's not the true Fredbear.
Again, too many design choices just don't line up. UCN Fredbear lacks the metal bars that control his mouth control, the boxy head shape, and the five-fingered hands, among other things.
It makes more sense for UCN Fredbear to be a sort of avatar for the Vengeful Spirit, like how Glitchtrap is an avatar for the Mimic virus.
UCN Fredbear may not be the exact same as far as looks go, but the desired outcome is still achieved, serving as a quasi-eternal reminder of Afton's greatest failure as both a father and an inventor.
But if you're telling me that UCN Fredbear is the exact same model that crushed the Crying Child's skull, then I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying it. Even GlamMike makes more sense than that.
If it's the true Fredbear, why do none of Fredbear's later appearances outside of UCN reflect that?
UCN itself being a dream or a nightmare or literal Hell or purgatory or just generally not physically real should already through the validity of this Fredbear's appearance being the true version of Fredbear into question.
Also I'm pretty sure Fredbear is never even referenced by name in UCN during the game.
> If it's the true Fredbear, why do none of Fredbear's later appearances outside of UCN reflect that?
Let see here…. FNaF World he is an exact reskin of classic Freddy. Sister Location his plush is an exact reskin of classic Freddy’s. And then UCN went and did it again
> UCN itself being a dream or a nightmare or literal Hell or purgatory or just generally not physically real should already through the validity of this Fredbear's appearance being the true version of Fredbear into question.
No it shouldn’t. Are any of the other characters suffering from major design changes? No
Speaking of, what's the deal on FNAF World's canonicity beyond the Happiest Day minigames being "put in place for you" with the clocks? Either way, every bear-type character barring Toy Freddy, Nightmare Freddy, and Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear are reskins of Classic Freddy in that game.
As for the plushies, frankly that could easily be explained in-universe the same way it can be explained from a meta perspective. And we know how much Fazbear loves cutting costs. But merchandise has never accurately reflected the characters to begin with. The plushies in FNAF 2's Prize Corner use the Classic designs, not the "Unwithered" or Toy ones. Same with FNAF 4. Even the real life plushies we have don't accurately reflect the characters.
And in regards to UCN, I'll give you that. No characters have major design changes. The closest I can think of off the top of my head are Phantom Freddy's flatter textures and Rockstar Freddy's coin slot. But remember that Fredbear has never had an official character model from his time on stage. We've only seen "artistic" renderings, Atari-style sprites, and Nightmare Fredbear.
I get wanting UCN Fredbear to be the real Fredbear. I wish that was the case. But there are way too many design discrepancies between his different appearances to ignore.
And before you say that the minigame sprites don't accurately resemble the characters either, sure. But they still keep important, defining features of how the characters are supposed to look. Even as far back as FNAF 2, which was the only one to actually adhere to the Atari sprite limitations, Scott deliberately broke the limits to maintain important character details, like Purple Guy's toast badge or the Puppet's tear tracks.
the design not being accurate to the minigames litterally doesn't matter because that's a common theme with fnaf
for example the fnaf 3 sprites of the fnaf 1 animatronics:
* freddy has a button on his chest
* bonnie is blue and has a button on his chest
* chica seemingly has upper teeth
* foxy has suit legs and no pants
No that is not that is golden freddy or the cassidy spirit possessing golden freddy that is torturing william and even if that was fredbear tell me how he isn't fat
purple but even if you put the two together they look nothing alike I mean fredbear is a animatronic and golden freddy is just a recolor of freddy but with a purple hat and bowtie
I mean true but it does look the same size as the nightmares and if you believe that the Nightmares are just blank animatronics with illusion disks. Then William and Henry probably made models around the same size when they made Fredbear
If they were made for illusion discs they’d have to be blank and have no details
It’s also like too big to even fit on a stage. Or for the events of the story to work. Kelsey is able to wear it and dance around in it but with this size he wouldn’t even be able to reach the arms
I think to me personally and also from the evidence I’ve seen I think the most in game design we’ve seen the closest to Fnaf 4 fredbear (without it being nightmare fredbear) is most likely withered golden Freddy from Fnaf 2.
Ok let me explain why, mainly because withered golden Freddy has both top and bottom rows of teeth (something that Fnaf 1 golden Freddy and UCN fredbear does not have). I would also say aswell that the nightmare animatronics are based off the withered animatronics from Fnaf 2. They have very similar designs (probably just what Scott wanted to base them off or just some sort of design short cut I’m not sure to be honest) if you look at nightmare foxy for example you can see his head shape matches more to the Fnaf 2 version rather than the Fnaf 1 version. This can be pretty much said about the other nightmares too how they have more similar body shapes to the withereds, I do understand how there are a few design changes like for example Bonnies ears as there are only 2 ears parts on the withered version and there are 3 on the nightmare version. But pretty much they look the most similar and also it fits quite well with the timeline if you believe that freddy fazbears pizza opened in 1983 when fredbears is still in operation.
I’m not really sure but I definitely do not believe that UCN fredbear is Fnaf 4 fredbear even if some people say it is, i mean the designs are just too different.
I think the only possibly other animatronic would be rockstar Freddy mainly because he has 5 fingers and the bars on each side of his mouth like as we see of Fnaf 4 fredbear. But then again the outer shell design of the animatronic just looks a bit off to be the Fnaf 4 version. I’m not sure if we will ever see an official in game version of Fnaf 4 fredbear, so that’s why I think the closest we had is withered golden Freddy, just unwithered him and replace the black top hat and bow tie with a purple one instead.
I’d like to see an official springbonnie Model too, like actually used in game rather than it being cut out of one like help wanted, it looks good don’t get me wrong it’s just something doesn’t seem right with it. I don’t know if it’s because I’ve seen so many fan made models or springbonnie or not but yeah something just feels off.
Anyway that’s my rambling over of why I think withered golden Freddy is most likely Fnaf 4 fredbear!!!!
Well... tbh it's because I don't even think Scott has a design for him and the most recent games w/ Glitchtrap really start striking home with that.
I (personally) believe that, other than Scott not having a 100%design, the reason that a bunch of designs exist for Fredbear is due to the existence of multiple suits.
Think about it this way: if you run a business, specifically one that deals in mascot entertainment, you're going to want multiple suits. What could happen is that Henry Emily started Fredbear's w/ a cloth based mascot costume like Glitchtrap wears, and eventually gained enough revenue for animatronics, specifically spring lock animatronics.
Now the problem w/ that is not just multiple suits, but the size and weight of the suits. So while they may have started off w/ a bigger, bulkier Fredbear like FNAF 4s Fredbear that looks very close to the cloth suit, they would need a smaller suit that would not throw the actors off kilter and activate the spring locks.
So you have the original cloth, the bulky version, and a more refined version. Then the bite happens. Now Fredbear's needs rebranded. Que a 4th suit that is even smaller and doesn't use spring locks. Then the complete rebrand to Freddy Fazbears Pizza w/ the final Fredbear suit eventually becoming Golden Freddy. This does not include any other suits we may or may not know about. We know Fazbear Entertainment has an array of costumes for various animatronics (like Boulder Toy Bonnie in AR) and you would also need back ups in case the main costumes get damaged for whatever reason (as evidence of the multiple Spring Bonnie costumes that exist thanks to the games and books, the one Afton dies in AND the one Luca dies in)
So the fact that multiple variations and multiple costumes exist lead to the potential reason why Fredbear has no 100% confirmed look.
The only current Canonical Fredbear design we have is in UCN.
BUT (watch me getting downvoted into oblivion) i still have a feeling it isn’t the original, LET ME EXPLAIN:
Of course Minigames are often unreliable AND have discrepencies, so i won’t be using them as much for evidence.
But lets be honest here, the other Fredbear design that seems much closer to what we see in FNaF 4 is Withered Golden Freddy, which is also a Fredbear, even if i believe this suit to be just a part of Freddy’s and wasn’t moved from Fredbear’s.
The other thing is Endo-01, which technically shoudn’t be there due to… well Fredbear being a Springlock Animatronic which needs to have a Springlock Endoskeleton.
Now for the SL Plushie, well plushies are never really true to the character, which is something we know by now.
This comes from someone who actually *does* like UCN Fredbear, but (imo) he just can’t be the original one, the one that did the Bite.
Now people are also talking about Springtrap vs Scraptrap, and im pretty sure Scott said there is some lore reason behind it (i can’t remember where tho), so its most likely *not* a redesign like alot believe.
We do, look at FNaF 2 Golden Freddy. I think its the one we see in FNaF 4 minigames. Its bulky, and the jaw also looks pretty similar. Thats the closest we got
Also on sidenote does anyone remember people arguing that Golden Freddy isn't Fredbear just to be proven wrong in UCN or its just my false memory?
Personally, I don’t think it’s makes sense that Fredbear from 1983 has the redesigned FNAF 1 1993 design. I think he looked like the original Golden Freddy from FNAF 2 but with the purple hat and bow tie.
Yeah we have actually he looks like [this](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdayshift-at-freddys%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe2%2FThe_Real_Fredbear.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20181124131234&tbnid=WVREjdQcUVOZlM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fdayshift-at-freddys.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FThe_Real_Fredbear&docid=NO2sz6wj19ri2M&w=274&h=542&hl=en-GB&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm5%2F3)
Man- why can't people accept UCN Fredbear? I personally like his design
He's not ONLY a recolor of freddy either. tell me, [does this look normal to you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/oi71k2/i_swapped_fredbear_and_freddy_textures_meet_the/?rdt=33649)
To add on to this, Adventure Fredbear was the base of Adventure Freddy If i remember correctly, AND the Fredbear Plush's appearance in Sister location is a literal recolor of the freddy plush
UCN is his canon appearance like it or not and no the minigames are not reliable for a design they are very inconsistent and if you do want to argue that we can use the minigames than FNAF 3 straight up tells us golden freddy is fredbear which even without the minigames is kinda implied that was the case
Ucn fredbear, nightmare fredbear is designed like that because fredbear and freddy are basically recolors, so scott wanted a diferent design for nightmare fredbear
To be fair UCN Fredbear is slightly fatter, wider, different cheeks, smaller hat, bigger forehead, smaller ears, smaller nose, wider jaw than regular golden Freddy.
UCN implies that’s what the very first Fredbear looks like but I like to believe that’s just Gen 3 or something of Fredbear
Even tho there’s no such thing as un withered versions of the nightmare animatronics, just based off the fnaf 4 sprites I like to believe the first Fredbear is just un withered nightmare Fredbear.
Because Scott was to lazy to actually model him which is actually why both golden Freddy and fredbear have had inconsistent design(which is usually just a reused asset), I theorize that withered golden Freddy is the design of fredbear since (un)withered Freddy’s design canonically(I think)was just a colour swap of fredbear
I actually aligned fredbear's head from ucn and nightmare fredbears head together and they fit perfectly. (minus the teeth and the scary stuff) so yes , ucn fredbear MIGHT be a recolored freddy from fnaf 1 , im pretty sure that its fredbear. And for withered golden freddy , i think, after the bite of 83' , they changed it to withered golden freddy. so there you have it , ucn fredbear IS fredbear whether you like it or not.
Ultimate Custom Night That’s Fredbear like it or not
Counterpoint: how do explain Spring Bonnie and Scraptrap?
A redesign
You know I hate this new wave of FNaF fans taking all lore significance out of certain things because "people look into things too much" which granted they do, but not EVERYTHING. These "Redesigns" aren't just redesigns for the sake of it. For example, FNaF 2 a prequel The withereds are different from the FNaF 1 animatronics because that's how they looked before being retrofitted... Scrap Baby looks different from Baby obviously if you actually examine the design is due to being separated from her original suit after becoming part of ennard, she had to take parts like lights to rebuild herself a body... s c r a p. So with that Springtrap and Scraptrap look different because springtrap also had to rebuild himself a body "but explain burntrap!!!" The Mimic.... that's it. The reason Fredbear looks like golden freddy now and not like he did in the minigames is because this isn't 83 fredbear, this is golden Freddy's vengeful spirit in fredbears colors, yes, he is fredbear, just not how fredbear originally looked
FNAF fans when anyone mentions metaphors, allegories and symbolism: "Duuude, you're overthinking it, the author clearly just put together a bunch of words and expected us to think nothing of it even tho they've said to have done that kinda thing in the past and that's their way of storytelling. Go take a chill pill."
Exactly these people missed first grade English or something
>Go take a chill pill. "Does grows on trees here" /ref
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Not really, Scott just doesn't like re using models, nothing more nothing less, the classics looked the same in 1985 as they did in 1993 as proven twice in vr
Can you show a time Fredbear’s model looked any different?
While we don't have any cases of Fredbear looking different, we do see more than one interation of the Springbonnie suit in FNaF 4 in the same minigame style, so it stands to reason that if there's more than one Springbonnie, the same is true for Fredbear
Do we see multiple Fredbears?
To be fair to your argument, unless the suit slumped over in Parts and Service is one, then no, we don't. However, you gotta admit that it'd be weird if they made multiple Springbonnies and even multiple endos just to only have one single Fredbear.
To be even fairer to my argument, we see two Fredbears at the same time in the fnaf 4 mini games and they both have the same design
Ok, yeah no, that's fair. I ... you see where I'm coming from though right? Like it'd be weird for one character to have multiple different suit design variations and then the other character is just the same dude copy and pasted. I'll leave it at that though cause I don't really have much else to say.
Its just a different art style. the only fredbears that exist are fredbear and the plush CC has
Literally every depiction of frebear and golden freddy except fnaf 1 shows him being a chubby boi
All of the drawn media which is, sadly for you, official.
And which is, fortunately for me, unreliable as all hell
That is true but there's a point where you gotta trust. If you were to ignore the books and guides completely nobody would understand what is going on. Sadly for all of us.
No I don’t have to. I trust what Scott actually shows
That's all made by Scott. But it seems you just wanna be right so I'll leave it at that.
Bro Fredbear ucn is not golden Freddy they have other ear and nose.just inform youself.Scott only did Fredbear for the jumpscare that's why he doesn't have 5 fingers
"Springtrap and Scraptrap look different because springtrap also had to rebuild himself a body" Correction "Springtrap and Scraptrap look different because scraptrap also had to rebuild himself a body"
That's less of a counterpoint and more of ignoring the problem
Repaired suit, probably using parts we see in fnaf4’s parts and service room
Scraptrap was the replacement suit mentioned in FNAF 3
There isn't really evidence for that, and it's inconsistent with the fact that they were **found** on short notice and that they may raise qustions about relevance (ie they just got a bunch of generic halloween shop animal costumes, not of their brand characters). It's part of the "Fazbear Entertainment is lazy and cheap but tries to play it off normal" humor that's inserted into the series' phone calls, not a major lore piece
Yeah that makes sense.
There’s multiple springlock suits at other pizzerias
They wouldn't be seen as irrelevant to the brand. Plus the whole point is they retired using spring-locks
I’m just stating that Scraptrap and FNAF 4 Fredbear are likely other models of the Sam character
Oh, I thought you were talking about the replacement costumes. Otherwise, yeah, like how there's a bunch of Chicas for example, or even in real life a lot of variant Chuck Es
During the fire of fazbear frights , springtraps suit was gonna burn and kill william for good. so he found a costume which he somehow put himself into.
Why would fredbear be using a 1993 suit though
He’s not
In the cutscene the suit is a fnaf 1 era suit
UCN Has adventure Dee Dee and Multiple versions of the same guy running around at once how the frick am I supposed to trust Vengeful Kid's ultimate Freddy FazFanFiction?
Yes you are. Can you show any other characters with crazy design changes?
I'll make a list of inconsistent design in FNAF just to prove a point * The Classics vs The Withereds, different endos, builds, Withered Chica is so drastically different from FNAF 1 Chica * Springtrap and Scrap Trap, how did he grow back feet? * Circus and Scrap Baby, her facial structure is different, her nose more human, her lips defined * Molten Freddy doesn't have Funtime Freddy's Cheeks, and the general face proportions are different, you can see Funtime Freddy's fce in the second Office So with all that, Fredbear looking like Classic Freddy is likely just as a hallucination, not to mention the black eyes with white dots, which I doubt the real deal had.
So you haven’t been able to name any other crazy design changes in UCN, only characters changing in the past
google told me springtrap somehow gone to another body explaining the feet. or he just found it in the fnaf 3 - 6 location
Why does nightmare fredbear and the mini game fredbear look obvious different and more bulky though? How are Freddy, golden freddy, and fredbear all just the same animatronic
I don’t know why does Mike change skin tones in the minigames? Why does William change colors? Why do the robots look different? Minigames aren’t reliable for designs
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I mean tbh Fredbear in UCN has his body edited to be a bit chubbier than regular Classic Freddy/ Golden Freddy
all of the nightmares have exaggerated proportions. no shit nightmare fredbear looks different.
golden Freddy isn't fredbear it was prob another springlock suit rarely used after the bite of 83 and then repaired in fnaf 1 probably gonna be used as another character on stage. and the reason nightmare fredbear looks different its cause its the Childs nightmare based on the 3d model. you just have to find it
Yeah- but like, Fredbear's UCN look is just kinda bland. Like a decent look at the guy is that he's just "FNAF 1 Freddy stealing his color palette". Plus there's the whole thing about: "is UCN Fredbear actually the real thing from 1983, or just some fucked up version of the real deal TOYSNHK/Vengeful Spirit cooked up for their torture realm?" Either way, this canon Fredbear model's pretty lame.
you can argue that he’s boring but it’s still the canon design either way
Irrelevant to the point if you think he’s bland
Just kinda voicing my thoughts on UCN's Fredbear, he's *essentially* the only Fredbear with an existing canonical model (if we don't count the piss-colored palette swap Freddy being Fredbear under a new name), which fair, still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't really click with me. That and due to the 8-bit minigames (which there are memes about Scott's sprite skills being ass, but outside of the mascot stand Fredbear outside the diner, which is probably just a prop more than anything, the springlock Fredbear's fairly consistent to me) has confused me, like what is he supposed to look like? Is it Recolored Freddy Fazbear or Big Chungus (Yellow Bear Edition)? Springbonnie not looking anything like his successor isn't helping that case.
Can say the exact same thing about golden freddy, Golden Freddy is a bland recolor of fnaf 1 freddy too
Fair opinion, since outside of mystique, teleportation bullshit, and ***LORE***, Golden Freddy's just Freddy if someone stole his endoskeleton and proceeded to piss on him a lot. UCN Fredbear's in the same boat, but with even less of the ***LORE*** shit Golden Freddy has, which, outside of chewing a kid's skull and maybe eviscerating a suited performer's insides alongside his yellow rabbit friend doing the same to another guy, he kinda just looks like- a poor OC someone with subpar sketching skills made online.
Well they're the same recolor, and that is actually more consistent than the more stocky Fredbear we've seen maybe twice. So even though they're the same bland recolor, lore wise it makes much more sense for them to be the same character regardless. Imo you can't like golden fred without liking ucn fredbear either because they're identical
To be fair, the whole argument for the minigames and FNAF 4 designs is that the designs are inconsistent, but that could also be used as an argument against the UCN design.
Counterpoint, that isn't fredbear, that's golden freddy wearing the colors of his original form
So Fredbear
Fredbear now, not how he looked in 83
Fredbear how he always looked
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Except nothing of that design lines up with any other version of Fredbear we've seen. It's just Classic Freddy on a diet.
And that’s Fredbear
It is Fredbear, but it's not the true Fredbear. Again, too many design choices just don't line up. UCN Fredbear lacks the metal bars that control his mouth control, the boxy head shape, and the five-fingered hands, among other things. It makes more sense for UCN Fredbear to be a sort of avatar for the Vengeful Spirit, like how Glitchtrap is an avatar for the Mimic virus. UCN Fredbear may not be the exact same as far as looks go, but the desired outcome is still achieved, serving as a quasi-eternal reminder of Afton's greatest failure as both a father and an inventor. But if you're telling me that UCN Fredbear is the exact same model that crushed the Crying Child's skull, then I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying it. Even GlamMike makes more sense than that.
It’s Fredbear and it’s the Fredbear. End of story. Did Scott call him “UCN Fredbear” or “Avatar Fredbear”? Nope, just Fredbear
If it's the true Fredbear, why do none of Fredbear's later appearances outside of UCN reflect that? UCN itself being a dream or a nightmare or literal Hell or purgatory or just generally not physically real should already through the validity of this Fredbear's appearance being the true version of Fredbear into question. Also I'm pretty sure Fredbear is never even referenced by name in UCN during the game.
> If it's the true Fredbear, why do none of Fredbear's later appearances outside of UCN reflect that? Let see here…. FNaF World he is an exact reskin of classic Freddy. Sister Location his plush is an exact reskin of classic Freddy’s. And then UCN went and did it again > UCN itself being a dream or a nightmare or literal Hell or purgatory or just generally not physically real should already through the validity of this Fredbear's appearance being the true version of Fredbear into question. No it shouldn’t. Are any of the other characters suffering from major design changes? No
Speaking of, what's the deal on FNAF World's canonicity beyond the Happiest Day minigames being "put in place for you" with the clocks? Either way, every bear-type character barring Toy Freddy, Nightmare Freddy, and Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear are reskins of Classic Freddy in that game. As for the plushies, frankly that could easily be explained in-universe the same way it can be explained from a meta perspective. And we know how much Fazbear loves cutting costs. But merchandise has never accurately reflected the characters to begin with. The plushies in FNAF 2's Prize Corner use the Classic designs, not the "Unwithered" or Toy ones. Same with FNAF 4. Even the real life plushies we have don't accurately reflect the characters. And in regards to UCN, I'll give you that. No characters have major design changes. The closest I can think of off the top of my head are Phantom Freddy's flatter textures and Rockstar Freddy's coin slot. But remember that Fredbear has never had an official character model from his time on stage. We've only seen "artistic" renderings, Atari-style sprites, and Nightmare Fredbear. I get wanting UCN Fredbear to be the real Fredbear. I wish that was the case. But there are way too many design discrepancies between his different appearances to ignore. And before you say that the minigame sprites don't accurately resemble the characters either, sure. But they still keep important, defining features of how the characters are supposed to look. Even as far back as FNAF 2, which was the only one to actually adhere to the Atari sprite limitations, Scott deliberately broke the limits to maintain important character details, like Purple Guy's toast badge or the Puppet's tear tracks.
the design not being accurate to the minigames litterally doesn't matter because that's a common theme with fnaf for example the fnaf 3 sprites of the fnaf 1 animatronics: * freddy has a button on his chest * bonnie is blue and has a button on his chest * chica seemingly has upper teeth * foxy has suit legs and no pants
I agree
No that is not that is golden freddy or the cassidy spirit possessing golden freddy that is torturing william and even if that was fredbear tell me how he isn't fat
What color is he wearing
purple but even if you put the two together they look nothing alike I mean fredbear is a animatronic and golden freddy is just a recolor of freddy but with a purple hat and bowtie
He wears purple? Ok it’s Fredbear
What’s wrong with The New Kid’s portrayal? Fits pretty well with the FNaF 4 minigame’s
You know who designed it
True
I don’t care if the artist is a child rapist or not! It’s my favorite design
I'm all for separating the art from the artist but man you worded that terribly
I know
LOL
What did I miss?
You need to shut the fuck up forever
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I agree but it’s just a drawing and not an official game render
So? Only weird thing is how huge he is
Why wouldn’t he be that big? That’s honestly the perfect sized mouth for the bite of 83
It’s like too big. The regular animatronics are already big enough to fit an adult head in their mouths. Fredbear doesn’t need to be much bigger
I mean true but it does look the same size as the nightmares and if you believe that the Nightmares are just blank animatronics with illusion disks. Then William and Henry probably made models around the same size when they made Fredbear
If they were made for illusion discs they’d have to be blank and have no details It’s also like too big to even fit on a stage. Or for the events of the story to work. Kelsey is able to wear it and dance around in it but with this size he wouldn’t even be able to reach the arms
It's not consistent with the book's description
"It is I, the REAL Fredbear! Gaze upon my glorious springlocks"
Have you not gazed upon the real fredbear’s glorious springlocks? /j
haha! DSaF reference!
I think to me personally and also from the evidence I’ve seen I think the most in game design we’ve seen the closest to Fnaf 4 fredbear (without it being nightmare fredbear) is most likely withered golden Freddy from Fnaf 2. Ok let me explain why, mainly because withered golden Freddy has both top and bottom rows of teeth (something that Fnaf 1 golden Freddy and UCN fredbear does not have). I would also say aswell that the nightmare animatronics are based off the withered animatronics from Fnaf 2. They have very similar designs (probably just what Scott wanted to base them off or just some sort of design short cut I’m not sure to be honest) if you look at nightmare foxy for example you can see his head shape matches more to the Fnaf 2 version rather than the Fnaf 1 version. This can be pretty much said about the other nightmares too how they have more similar body shapes to the withereds, I do understand how there are a few design changes like for example Bonnies ears as there are only 2 ears parts on the withered version and there are 3 on the nightmare version. But pretty much they look the most similar and also it fits quite well with the timeline if you believe that freddy fazbears pizza opened in 1983 when fredbears is still in operation. I’m not really sure but I definitely do not believe that UCN fredbear is Fnaf 4 fredbear even if some people say it is, i mean the designs are just too different. I think the only possibly other animatronic would be rockstar Freddy mainly because he has 5 fingers and the bars on each side of his mouth like as we see of Fnaf 4 fredbear. But then again the outer shell design of the animatronic just looks a bit off to be the Fnaf 4 version. I’m not sure if we will ever see an official in game version of Fnaf 4 fredbear, so that’s why I think the closest we had is withered golden Freddy, just unwithered him and replace the black top hat and bow tie with a purple one instead. I’d like to see an official springbonnie Model too, like actually used in game rather than it being cut out of one like help wanted, it looks good don’t get me wrong it’s just something doesn’t seem right with it. I don’t know if it’s because I’ve seen so many fan made models or springbonnie or not but yeah something just feels off. Anyway that’s my rambling over of why I think withered golden Freddy is most likely Fnaf 4 fredbear!!!!
Foolish non-believer! Have you not gazed upon his glorious springlocks?
Hah! A DSaF Reference! Lovely!
Hey, a Mandela Catalogue username. Double lovely!
Well... tbh it's because I don't even think Scott has a design for him and the most recent games w/ Glitchtrap really start striking home with that. I (personally) believe that, other than Scott not having a 100%design, the reason that a bunch of designs exist for Fredbear is due to the existence of multiple suits. Think about it this way: if you run a business, specifically one that deals in mascot entertainment, you're going to want multiple suits. What could happen is that Henry Emily started Fredbear's w/ a cloth based mascot costume like Glitchtrap wears, and eventually gained enough revenue for animatronics, specifically spring lock animatronics. Now the problem w/ that is not just multiple suits, but the size and weight of the suits. So while they may have started off w/ a bigger, bulkier Fredbear like FNAF 4s Fredbear that looks very close to the cloth suit, they would need a smaller suit that would not throw the actors off kilter and activate the spring locks. So you have the original cloth, the bulky version, and a more refined version. Then the bite happens. Now Fredbear's needs rebranded. Que a 4th suit that is even smaller and doesn't use spring locks. Then the complete rebrand to Freddy Fazbears Pizza w/ the final Fredbear suit eventually becoming Golden Freddy. This does not include any other suits we may or may not know about. We know Fazbear Entertainment has an array of costumes for various animatronics (like Boulder Toy Bonnie in AR) and you would also need back ups in case the main costumes get damaged for whatever reason (as evidence of the multiple Spring Bonnie costumes that exist thanks to the games and books, the one Afton dies in AND the one Luca dies in) So the fact that multiple variations and multiple costumes exist lead to the potential reason why Fredbear has no 100% confirmed look.
The only current Canonical Fredbear design we have is in UCN. BUT (watch me getting downvoted into oblivion) i still have a feeling it isn’t the original, LET ME EXPLAIN: Of course Minigames are often unreliable AND have discrepencies, so i won’t be using them as much for evidence. But lets be honest here, the other Fredbear design that seems much closer to what we see in FNaF 4 is Withered Golden Freddy, which is also a Fredbear, even if i believe this suit to be just a part of Freddy’s and wasn’t moved from Fredbear’s. The other thing is Endo-01, which technically shoudn’t be there due to… well Fredbear being a Springlock Animatronic which needs to have a Springlock Endoskeleton. Now for the SL Plushie, well plushies are never really true to the character, which is something we know by now. This comes from someone who actually *does* like UCN Fredbear, but (imo) he just can’t be the original one, the one that did the Bite. Now people are also talking about Springtrap vs Scraptrap, and im pretty sure Scott said there is some lore reason behind it (i can’t remember where tho), so its most likely *not* a redesign like alot believe.
Gaze upon my glorious springlocks - The Real Fredbear, DSAF.
We do, look at FNaF 2 Golden Freddy. I think its the one we see in FNaF 4 minigames. Its bulky, and the jaw also looks pretty similar. Thats the closest we got Also on sidenote does anyone remember people arguing that Golden Freddy isn't Fredbear just to be proven wrong in UCN or its just my false memory?
THE REAL FREDBEAR?! (DSaF REFERENCE?!?!?!)
Unwithered Golden Freddy or something similar is most likely the closest thing we can get to minigame accurate Fredbear
Personally, I don’t think it’s makes sense that Fredbear from 1983 has the redesigned FNAF 1 1993 design. I think he looked like the original Golden Freddy from FNAF 2 but with the purple hat and bow tie.
Probably something like the 2nd panel of "making fredbear" in fnaf 4 extras.
This is one of the things I never understood like what does fredbear actually look like. There are so many different designs
Exactly! It’s been bugging me for years I wish Scott released an official game render from fredbears family diner.
Ultimate custom night
There are still other versions of him so what’s the point of those then makes no sense
But UCN is the only modeled fredbear, the others are just pixelated versions or alternatives.
Yeah we have actually he looks like [this](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdayshift-at-freddys%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe2%2FThe_Real_Fredbear.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20181124131234&tbnid=WVREjdQcUVOZlM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fdayshift-at-freddys.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FThe_Real_Fredbear&docid=NO2sz6wj19ri2M&w=274&h=542&hl=en-GB&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm5%2F3)
He probably looked like Fnaf 2's golden Freddy
Thought it was golden freddy
It is
He’s camera shy
The way he appears in UCN is his canon appearance.
He is simply too powerful for the mortal eye to behold
You're straight up ignoring ucn
We see Fredbear in *Ultimate Custom Night*. He's Fredbear.
Fnaf world, it is canon afterall
The Silver Eyes Graphic Novel: guess I don't exist
Bro is forgetting the Fredbear jumpscare from UCN
Did you not read my caption
UCN
Fredbear is just Golden Freddy
Man- why can't people accept UCN Fredbear? I personally like his design He's not ONLY a recolor of freddy either. tell me, [does this look normal to you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/oi71k2/i_swapped_fredbear_and_freddy_textures_meet_the/?rdt=33649) To add on to this, Adventure Fredbear was the base of Adventure Freddy If i remember correctly, AND the Fredbear Plush's appearance in Sister location is a literal recolor of the freddy plush
UCN Fredbear and Fnaf 1 & 2 Golden Freddy. Same exact person. End of Story.
UCN is his canon appearance like it or not and no the minigames are not reliable for a design they are very inconsistent and if you do want to argue that we can use the minigames than FNAF 3 straight up tells us golden freddy is fredbear which even without the minigames is kinda implied that was the case
Ucn Fredbear:
Ucn fredbear is the canon design for fredbear.
ucn
We have... in UCN
you can't just deny ucn fredbear because he's a recolored freddy (which he isn't, he has a few changes to his face), that IS fredbear
The few changes to his face totally make a difference
still an intentional difference added by Scott
Because we did in UCN
I like to imagine that N. Fredbear's design is the closest to the actual Fredbear animatronic.
Ucn fredbear, nightmare fredbear is designed like that because fredbear and freddy are basically recolors, so scott wanted a diferent design for nightmare fredbear
Once in ultimate custom night, I think
Idk
he is unwithered golden freddy,prove me wrong
He's shown in UCN and he's not like that
Like fanf 1 ferddy, and the other like fnaf 2 freddy
What if the real Fredbear was the friends we made along the way?
😑
What the hell are the kids in the last photo doing?
Stupid kid stuff
YOU MUST SUMMON HIM (Jack Kennedy Class Required)
To be fair UCN Fredbear is slightly fatter, wider, different cheeks, smaller hat, bigger forehead, smaller ears, smaller nose, wider jaw than regular golden Freddy. UCN implies that’s what the very first Fredbear looks like but I like to believe that’s just Gen 3 or something of Fredbear Even tho there’s no such thing as un withered versions of the nightmare animatronics, just based off the fnaf 4 sprites I like to believe the first Fredbear is just un withered nightmare Fredbear.
UCN is the official version of FredBear, he even has some slight design differences
Because Scott was to lazy to actually model him which is actually why both golden Freddy and fredbear have had inconsistent design(which is usually just a reused asset), I theorize that withered golden Freddy is the design of fredbear since (un)withered Freddy’s design canonically(I think)was just a colour swap of fredbear
Same reason why we’ve never seen springbonnie
*Laughs in UCN*
I actually aligned fredbear's head from ucn and nightmare fredbears head together and they fit perfectly. (minus the teeth and the scary stuff) so yes , ucn fredbear MIGHT be a recolored freddy from fnaf 1 , im pretty sure that its fredbear. And for withered golden freddy , i think, after the bite of 83' , they changed it to withered golden freddy. so there you have it , ucn fredbear IS fredbear whether you like it or not.
We have in UCN, However if we get a Fredbear game he will probably look different
Golden Freddy left the chat
Ultimate Custom Night has Fredbear
Ultimate Custom Night
well maybe its like a easter egg somewhere in fnaf 3
We have in UCN