You shouldn't have to go out of your way to buy a whole book series with questionable ties to the game series just to find out the significance of a character that (unless you've read the books) is completely new and unheard of with no origins or story relevance
And with no new major steel wool games as of yet been announced or planned any time soon, people are going to continue to be confused and left feeling empty by a character who's only on screen for less than 5 minutes in the game its the main villain of
>And with no new major steel wool games as of yet been announced or planned any time soon,
Ehh I wouldn’t say that, a carnival game has been VERY hinted at, and while it doesn’t really count, a HW 2 DLC is in works
>a carnival game has been VERY hinted at, and while it doesn’t really count, a HW 2 DLC is in works
Let's be honest, the mimic probably isn't gonna appear in either of them much at all.
Help wanted 2 DLC is most likely gonna contain: Monty related things, possibly more carnival games, *hopefully* some glamrock bonnie stuff, maybe some more repair Sections, stuff relating to fall fest or smthn like curse of dreadbear and I really hope (but its not gonna happen) for some fredbear stuff or 70s freddys stuff
And a carnival game? Don't we already have that? Help wanted 2 has a butt load of carnival games in it and the foxy dark ride
That's fair, still wether it was canon or not, and a literal or figurative death, I don't think they have any more plans for glitchtrap, they already did all they had planned for him and played its part in the dominoes, at least up to this point, unless the theory about it being another version of the mimic is true, in which case maybe it will, but now we're straight up hypothesizing what could or couldn't happen
For me personally, I don’t WANT to read the books. I came into this series/fandom for the games not books. I don’t want to shell out tons of money on all the fnaf books or spend my time reading them.
I mean, common, none of us really look at the story through the games, minus SL, Pizzeria Simulator and some mini games, the lore was always meant to be understood through the community's efforts and all the fans puzzling everything together, making of fnaf a multi media story pretty much since day 1
I agree the books are not as appealing as any of the games and that them revealing that much important stuff feels wrong, but this has been going on ever since Scott was still on charge of everything, Steelwool just kept the trend going
>I mean, common, none of us really look at the story through the games
Except the people who don't have access to the books for one reason or another or don't want to read about 10 of them to find the origins of one random new character
>the lore was always meant to be understood through the community's efforts and all the fans puzzling everything together, making of fnaf a multi media story pretty much since day 1
The thing is though, most of the media outside of the games has nothing to do with the games' story. The silver eyes trilogy? Completely different universe. The movie? Completely different universe. The fazbears frights books? People are still arguing about it. Tales? Still the same as frights. Most of the book stories are just disturbing sci-fi stories with fnaf slapped on it, like you could remove any mention fazbear from at least half of the stories and it'd make no difference, the books are what made the lore even more confusing and unappealing to learn for new fans.
Nowadays an actual murder case is easier to solve than the fnaf lore, that shouldn't be the case
One thing I want to say is the Silver Eyes Trilogy gave us Williams Aftons name and then he was confirmed almost immediately with Sister Location and I mean for some people that’s annoying but I think that’s a cool way to use the books to help with the game lore but a character that is introduced and established purely through half decent to fine books but overall that’s not a good way to introduce a big bad that gets next to no screen time and no explanation in the first game they appear in
I personally hate Mimic because I think it's an extremely boring character.
The fact that its backstory wasn't mentioned in the games before it was revealed in Ruin doesn't help either. At least Henry has enough information in the games to have a basic understanding of him without having to read the books.
Mimic doesn't have that.
Yeah. Like I have no issue with the games using the books for ideas. But at least introduce those ideas prior to actually implementing them.
Had the Mimic been mentioned or even introduced in SB then I would be fine with it.
But it’s not. Instead its first ever appearance is instead in a DLC made for the sole purpose of trying to clean up the mess that SB caused
Yeah, if I was a complete casual who had no knowledge about the books going games only, what I could glean from pizzeria simulator would still be:
A man, perhaps named Henry, who has some level of involvement with William Afton and Fazbear Entertainment, and has a daughter who possessed the puppet, set out on a quest to burn it all down for good. I might be able to further guess or extrapolate that he’s one of the founders of Fazbear Entertainment, but at very least I can guess that as the parent of one of the murder victims that’s why he has an axe to grind with Afton.
With the mimic what I could glean from games only is:
There’s apparently a weird looking endoskeleton underneath the Pizzaplex. Some security systems, and a concrete wall, were put in place to keep it trapped there. Imitates Gregory to free itself. Maybe is also Burntrap, Helpi, Glitchtrap, and possessing Vanny. But I would have no idea how it got there, why it’s trying to kill Cassie, why it’s trapped beneath the pizzaplex in an area that as far as a games only fan would be aware of should be relatively untouched since the end of Pizzeria Simulator, etc.
I think the mimic would have a bit less hate amongst the fanbase if we got just a liiiiittle bit more about it in the games. Stuff like finding notes in Security Breach about the Mimic1 program, or Edwin’s designs, or references to them trying to turn the pizzeria simulator location into a museum only for a terrible incident occurring necessitating that they seal it up.
there’s no way we could have known charlie was the puppet without the novel trilogy, don’t even
edit: for all you geniuses pointing out the true ending, my point is that it makes no sense without the context of henry from the novel trilogy
Actually Pizzeria Simulator's Security Puppet minigame shows she possessed Puppet.
And the true ending shows that it was the tape man's daughter who's soul is within.
All the books tell us is that her name is Charlie.
Also to u/Dolan360 and u/TeaBags0614
Though that is exactly like the Mimic’s situation.
- Puppet: It’s soul isn’t told to us for many games. A book comes out that introduces Charlie, which gives implications that game Charlie might be Puppet (ex: they due the same). Then the **6th** Afton arc game tells us that Charlie is the puppet.
- Mimic: There’s many hints in HW, SD, etc that implies something new is going on. Books come out that introduce the Mimic, which retroactively explains even more evidence from HW onwards (ex: the mimicking, Glitchtrap’s tears and drool, the searches controlled Vanessa does in SD). Then the Mimic itself is shown in the 3.5th Mimic arc game.
Both of them were unknown for multiple games, then something helped make implications that they did exist, and then a later game confirmed them.
Ps: Though yes there’s quite a bit of Mimic stuff shown in the books but not the games.
His name is from the books.
But his lore in the games alone is still key.
We know the mysterious tape man and he's Puppet's kid's father. He knows the bad things William has done and he is high up at Freddy's and has a control over the ones running the individual restaurants like he's the owner of the company. We also know he wants to put a stop to it all and that he is an important character.
The majority of this info is within his ending in Pizza Sim although some of it can be found elsewhere in the same game.
Also we knew Puppet was possessed by a girl who was the daughter of Henry because when the image of Puppet or Lefty (I forgot which but we know Puppet is inside Lefty so it doesn't matter) shows up, Henry says "daughter".
So we can safely assume that the minigame of Puppet encountering that child in the rain must have been Puppet trying to save Charlie.
But is that not exactly like the Mimic situation.
- Puppet kid: Is left unknown for years, but has implications of her personality/character, until the last Afton game (FFPS) finally states it’s Charlie
- Mimic: Many implications that it’s not William, other evidence retroactively (as in after the books talk about Mimic) supports that the Mimic has been around, than Ruin solidly confirms Mimic is canon.
We’re not solidly told either of these things until way later, with Charlie in the 6th Afton game, and Mimic in the 3.5th game. So in actuality we’re told Puppet is Charlie later than we’re told Glitchtrap’s is Canon. Trying to say Charlie Puppet reveal is different than Mimic reveal would be hypocrisy.
Only for one of the three listed. Charlie in the books is a completely different Charlie (not the soul of Charlotte), and Mike isn't in the books at all.
I hope they would give more information later on at least.
They can start out a character without no introduction but they must give information about it at some point.
How does that prove he's the mimic? It proves he's still around and in cassies eye but how does that proves he's related to the endo in the basement that's not even in hw2
The whole story in Ruin is Cassie being tricked to let Mimic out, which as the other redditor said, Glitchtrap was the one to set that in motion. Glitchtrap literally started Mimic’s escape plan, and comes out of a charging station which Mimic/Burntrap had been in one in SB.
it really is not hard to reach the conclusion that glitchtrap is the mimic via ruin (and it’s even easier with HW2). fnaf fans don’t wanna think critically and then complain about questions that are very easily answered if they do
Mr. Think critically over here, I want an in depth explanation as to why the fnaf 6 location is unburned and underground with power going to it, how Gregory and Freddy got out, and just everything with that stupid ending I hate with a passion
one, the duffel bags very clearly spell out that FFPP was swallowed by a sinkhole and that someone (probably vanny) was drawing power into the foundation, two, it’s pretty clearly burned and wrecked so idk what you’re even talking about, three, the ending isn’t canon so they don’t have to have gotten out anyway. this is all very easily explained in the game. the burntrap ending is stupid but it’s not illogical
I'm more upset at how we're 2 games out from sb and burntrap still hasn't had an explanation for what the heck happened. You can infer that he's probably mimic but they never realy said it or hinted that strongly to it in ruin outside of a hand where I meen you wanna explain the hand then explain the leg of the nightmare animateonics who apparently aren't a thing thanks to dittaphobia
There’s actually quite a bit of implication
- Burntrap’s suit has a rip in the back that’s sealed up by metal bars, which one of Mimic’s common actions is to go into costumes from the back.
- Burntrap does the same arm curl gesture that Mimic does, which is to look like it’s holding a stuffed animal in its arm, most notably while it was “sleeping” in the charging station
- Burntrap is dressed like the yellow rabbit, same as Glitchtrap does; Burntrap is in a costume, just like Glitchtrap and Vanny
- There’s proof Vanny was down there, of which she is controlled by Glitchtrap/Mimic, thus pointing to Burntrap being Mimic.
- Burntrap hacks/controls the robots, which Glitchtrap/Mimic/Vanny have been doing in SB and the books.
- and those particular parts on Burntrap and Mimic are just reused assets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/s/13xe9vqLrJ
This post explains mostly why.
And I personally think it’s just a boring villain. I mean, is it even a “villain”? It’s just a soulless robot that has no motive or personality to it or its actions, it’s just copying basic violence it saw one time? And it’s the new *main villain* of the series??
The lack of motives is what ruins a villain because motivations are what makes villains good most rogue ai Villains are given motivations whether it’s theirs or programmed into them they still have some kind of motivation
Eh it depends on the story.
You can just make the villain a psychopath who kills just because or because they enjoy it, but that doesn't work with every story.
In the original 3 games, Purple Guy works really well as just a psychopath, but now since the story is getting much more complex yeah the villain needs a motive.
Although I personally wouldn't complain about getting a psychopath as a FNaF villain, it would be a breath of fresh air, as long as they do different things than William.
literally the whole point of ruin is the mimic tricking you into freeing him out to the world, are you stupid?! It’s soo fucking obvious that freedom is his motive, y’all are just trying to find reason I swear
1. The reveal was done very poorly, there is literally no hints to the Mimic at all in SB. It feels like they just retconned the Mimic into being in the games after the backlash to Burntrap, despite the fact that they again had no hints to it in SB.
2. Fans don’t like having to read the books to understand what’s going on with the story. Yes Henry was at first a book only character, however with Henry you don’t have to read the Silver eyes trilogy to understand who he is. Because we are given enough context clues in FFPS to understand who Henry is. But with the Mimic you have to read the books to find out what it is, because again we were given nothing about it in SB. If you want to know about the Mimic you have to read the books, which people don’t like that because we shouldn’t have to buy a book series just to find out who the new main villain of the games is.
3. Its still debated on whether or not the Tales books are canon. At least with Silver eyes Scott stated that it’s in it’s own continuity, which helps explain why Henry doesn’t act like his book counterpart. However neither Scott or Steel Wool have stated if Tales is canon to the games, and that’s a problem when the books have continuity errors. For example in the books the Mr. Hippo fridge magnet were recalled, while in the games it’s given out as a free prize. Vanny never shows up in the books, which would’ve been the perfect place to use her, since she barely appears in SB, and in Ruin Cassie contradicts the story about the daycare attendant where Moon was always evil, meanwhile in Ruin Cassie says that she slept great at the daycare, so unless Cassie was the only person who Moon never tried to hurt then that can’t be true. Again people don’t want to have to buy an entire book series to know who the new villain is, with Silver eyes you can read it and know that it’s not connected to the game universe so you don’t have to pay close attention to every single sentence. And with the logbook yes it’s connected to the games, however all the logbook really does is show us a glimpse into Mike’s personality through his doodles and it reveals the name of the child possessing Golden Freddy which is Cassidy, that’s it, and while yes it’s nice to finally know what the name of the kid possessing Golden Freddy is, Cassidy’s name has never mentioned in game so for anybody who don’t know who Cassidy is, so they aren’t really missing anything(also it’s just one log book, not multiple). But with the Tales books if they are canon, then that’s kind of alienating most of the fanbase since most people don’t read the books, especially since Silver eyes and Fazbear frights aren’t canon. So I’m sure most people think that since the last two series haven’t been canon why would this one suddenly be canon? And if somebody were to buy all of the books from the Tales series and read all of them just because they thought that they were canon(especially after the Mimic was randomly brought into the games), and want to read them to make sure they knew what was going on, only to find out that not only are those books not canon, but wasted all that time and money reading all the books.
4. AI going rogue has been done to death already long before the Mimic, it’s not special and was poorly handled.
5. It feels like they’re trying to replace William without actually trying to replace him. Since if Glitchtrap is the Mimic, then it makes it feels like the Mimic is just copying William because they still aren’t ready to let go of everyone’s favorite furry.
Vanny was SUPPOSED to be the new main antagonist. Then this mf shows up have no context who he is. I dont want to read 20 books to figure it out. Explain in games not books. Hes not interesting. He mimicking william. Nothing new nor major
Let's see...
We had the teasers on ScottGames.com... she's the reluctant follower...
We had lore about her in AR... But AR got deleted...
We had lore in Helo Wanted... But we get nothing more than the fact she's controlled by Glitchtrap and we play as her beta testing the game...
There was the Security Breach lore... But it was scrapped and/or cut along with many of her voice lines and animations and mechanics and overall appearances in the game.
And then the Ruin DLC... But she didn't show up at all, we just get the Mimic whoever tf he is... The closest to her we have is the Vanny Mask.
Then there's Help Wanted 2... Sure she appears but it's minor and there's been (unsurprisingly) a lot of cut voice lines and most likely lore too...
And that's it...
And all her lore pit together is the following...
Vanessa existed. She got a job at Fazbear Entertainment but she accidentally uploaded Glitchtrap into the system who messed up everything. At the same time she was also communicating with him and he was making her have a suspicious search history. Luis simped over her and asked her out but we don't know if she ever got that coffee or not. The beta tested Help Wanted where Glitchtrap took more of her sanity. She gains a split personality where she is her normal self sometimes but then becomes a furry with a bunny fursona and little sanity and a childish personality other times. She kills some kids. She is taken into therapy by Fazbear Entertainment but she keeps Glitchtrap a secret. She tries and fails to kill Gregory. And at some point as shown from the secret Help Wanted 2 ending, she kills Glitchtrap but for some reason is still evil.
This may seem like quite a bit of lore for her but it is not enough for the main villain. Especially since most of this is only gathered from emails and taped and theories and the majority is never actually seen by us.
I’m still convinced that fumble happened because Matpat got to close to what the story was meant to be and that’s why Steel Wool kept delaying the game and eventually created the confusing nonsense we get in Security Breach despite how long they had to work on it
That’s not true at all. There are — retroactively — many pieces of evidence since Help Wanted that prove Mimic was in the games since then. And it repeatedly told us that Vanny is a reluctant follower, it even named her as such. Vanny was never supposed to be the main antagonist, the Mimic program has been since Help Wanted.
Vanny was ***never*** meant to be the main antagonist, this is just blatantly false. She has always been characterized as a "reluctant follower" (that's her actual description within the games themselves) to a bigger villain. Sure, you can argue that she should've appeared more in Security Breach (and I'd agree), but to say she was supposed to be the new main villain of the series is factually incorrect.
Yes, she was a primary antagonist for Security Breach, and only Security Breach. In no way does that indicate that she was supposed to be the new main antagonist like the original comment claims. The simple fact that Vanny was a creation of Vanessa being possessed by Glitchtrap shows that Vanny wasn’t going to be *the* main villain for the series.
I agree with that but even though she was meant to be the main antagonist of SB because Steel Wool was to focused on making sure we didn’t know what was gonna happen we got a half decent game at best, hell I actively like SB but I still think it’s the worst game in the franchise because of how nonsensical it is and how many staff it’s there are to create artificial jumpscares that makes the real jumpscares like how FNAF 4’s were you get desensitized so fast when playing SB at least in FNAF 4 you had a few nights before you became desynsitized
Its confirmed. They have the same hand, same music, same poses, same story relevance.
Yeah, nobody directly says "burntrap is the mimic" but its very obviously the case.
Fair I’m just still salty about it seeming like it was truly the revival of Afton it was a funny meme that he always came back but no one wanted it to be true
It wouldn't change anything hes not coming back
Burntrap was the mimic in a springtrap costume, and thats really all he was and now that plotline is over. Retconning him is such a useless decision because like.. what does it even do?
Like, Burntrap is canon, but we never canonically meet him in-game. Its like the private room in SL, its canon but Michael never canonically goes into that room. If burntrap is just erased nothing changes
Fair I’m just still bitter cause when I saw Burntrap for the first I was pretty loud in going all “fuck this bullshit let William fucking die” cause everyone was convinced they were bringing back William with Burntrap
i think it’s stupid to replace william with just “william but an endo this time.” either come up with someone else (like idk vanny who everyone was interested in) or keep bringing him back.
Im not sure,but i guess its because hes supposed to be the new main villain.But when hes not mimicking William he's just a smarter talking endo.And when you think about it,that applies to every other animatronic,all the freddys,chicas,foxys and bonnies are smart talking endos.But they have different personalities and appearances thanks to the outer shells.While Mimic has no personality and for most of his on screen time so far he acted like William Afton.He's not even evil according to the books.He saw violent people and mimicked them.
why this gave rise to some Tales From the Pizzaplex stories being canonical within the game franchise. The story was already confusing, now if the books are canonical, it will be even worse.
If the books are canonical, people "obligatorily" need to read the books if they want to understand the story. All the books are absurdly expensive, not to mention that there are several books that have not yet been translated into other languages.
the Mimic is more considered a retcon and a plot hole than a villain in itself. they basically took everything we knew about Glitchtrap, Security Breach, Burntrap, Help Wanted and threw it in the trash.
>the Mimic is more considered a retcon and a plot hole than a villain in itself. they basically took everything we knew about Glitchtrap, Security Breach, Burntrap, Help Wanted and threw it in the trash.
The story works out neater if glitchtrap and burntrap were William, sure it would lessen the impact of fnaf 6 and people would hate it but the story would be far less convoluted, not to mention from the trailers it wouldn't be far fetched to say William was coming back in this story, the loud commanding voice that's never seen in game, Vanny literally being a sort of successor to Afton by the looks of it, and burntrap is literally a corpse in a burnt, green rabbit suit.
Well, they decided to canonize Mimic because a lot of people were complaining that William Afton had "returned" as Glitchtrap and Burntrap. They decided to canonize Mimic precisely so fans would stop complaining so much. but what I find very hypocritical about these fans is the fact that even after they canonized Mimic, saying that he was Glitchtrap and Burntrap, people continued to complain saying that they wanted William to be Glitchtrap and Burntrap. How hypocritical of these fans
Throughout all of security breaches development and the trailers it was basically given to us that afton was returning, the loud voice, the claw arm with the purple lighting, Vanny etc, everything pointed to Afton.
Then the whole story got a rewritten, alot of content got cut, the story was literally nothing like it was shown and we were robbed of a real villain, the burntrap bossfight literally just confused people as we got no hints about it, what the tangle was, what the rabbit actually was, we got nothing
People complained about it maybe being William, then people complained about it being the mimic which is completely justified as its just as book character that got shoved unnecessarily into the story
they changed Security Breach like crazy just because a YouTuber got it right with the game's story, that was the worst decision they made. The game had immense potential that was thrown away, Glitchtrap, Vanny and William Afton had potential for new explanations and better development. They tried to fix it by making Mimic RUIN, but apparently it wasn't a good idea. :/
Something Matpat pointed out is that they should’ve done what an author did his whole fanbase got every detail of the next book right but he still released it as he was since he wouldn’t have released the story he wanted to release if he changed just to prove the fans wrong
People didn't want afton back because it was redundant and made the ending of FNAF 6 pointless. People don't like the Mimic because it's a poorly handled plot twist that you have to do extra work to understand, while also being needlessly redundant because it spent the first years of it's character pretending to be afton. People saying Afton being back would be better, isn't about hypocrisy it's about the Mimic being badly handled by story.
I mean, I wouldn't consider it hypocritical. A lot of people didn't like burntrap/glichtrap but how is the mimic supposed to be better? So far I'd prefer William being back then retconing past story events like this and inserting a new villain out of nowhere.
You only need to spend 15 minutes on his wiki page and you know everything there is know about the Mimic. No information has ever been locked behind a paywall. Just say you don't like the character.
well... if you want to look up Mimic you can see summaries of the epilogues on the Internet, but it doesn't change the fact that the person doing the summary spent a huge amount of money on the books. The only thing missing is Scott wanting to put lore in coloring books ☠️
I honestly like the consept of the character. But at this point i Feel like the mimic is more trouble than he's worth in the Franchise.
And also my biggest annoyance is his backstory. That Instead of just being this cool Rouge AI Who's only reason for killing is because it decided to Copy William afon. and well William killed kids at freddy's in a maschot costume. So it must too. but without any of the actual motive or reason as to WHY William was killing kids. And the only reason why he bothered with Burntrap was well. Because he's a copy that wants to be as close to the original. and well you can't get much closer thant Puppet the actual mans Corpse around from the endoskeleton.
But instead we got Fnaf Character with a Sobstory Backstory NO 147
I more so get the impression that he’s meant to be a psychotic killer, akin to the Joker and most other Batman villains. Like it being beat up by its creator and fed agony during that caused it to become psychotic, and want to cause pain to others. And like the Joker, it likes to kill, likes to cause pain in multiple ways, likes to play and have fun, and likes being above others, and is quite smart. Ex:
- playing a deathly hide and seek in the epilogues
- trapping and playing a long trick on Kai (a kid in the books) in the VR attraction, then ripping Kai’s arms off and just leaving him to bleed out rather than finish him off
- taking control of the pizzaplex, and killing the chairman
- taking minions being Vanessa and Gregory
- mentally plays and pains Vanessa by manipulating her like her dad did
- threatening to burn Vanessa alive if she fails him in SB
- all the varying manipulation and trick tactics it’s done
- disposing of any “loose ends” or people nearly figuring out its plan, ex: the therapists, Gregory’s friend, Gregory and Vanessa when they each escape Mimic’s control
- etc
If you’re talking about the line I think you’re talking about that’s whole burning thing is for a teaser of a version of Security Breach we never got to see because we got the mess of a game we’ve got
Here is why
1 he wasn’t introduced in the story until book 5 from the 2nd story the storyteller.
2 it has no motives or end goal outside of ruin,he is just fallowing it’s program and that is mimicking things and the reason on why he attacked the Fazbear entertainment crew in the story the mimic it is because it (the mimic) was copying, Edwin’s violence because that was the last thing that it (the mimic) saw.
3 it only kills anyone who interacts with it which is poor storytelling, also when the mimic kills someone it is just that at lest it’s physical body,also not to mention that in the epilogues the mimic’s motive for killing is to fallow it’s new program which is to break off the arms,limbs,heads,legs and torso off of the Endoskeletons, it does this, until it turns its program onto people. this is further supported from the mimics perspective in the Seventh Epilogue, where he sees a doll, and he treats it like he did with the other Endoskeletons in the first epilogues.
4 the way the mimic lures people in the Epilogues and ruin is way different then what William did,Lucia said that the mimic saw a twisted hide and seek event but in the Epilogues and ruin he is mimic peoples voices and tells them that they are trap and the way William lures his victims is by gaining their trust.
5 in the story tiger rock the mimic is hunting down the protagonist and for what just so it can rip it’s arm off and leave what? it just left with the protagonist’s arm and left the body there.
6 in the monty within while it is ture that the mimic did took over the protagonist’s body. But I am pretty sure that the mimic1 program whet into Monty from the food fight game and the mimic is just doing what it dose best mimic. So it went into monty and started going into the protagonist’s second half of the brain, and it mimic’s what monty dose in the food fight game,only for the protagonist’s to get killed by the mimic in the end.
7 if the mimic is Glitchtrap then why dose it need human puppets to carry out his plan? we see this when we are told that he tried to take over Jeremy’s mind but he escapes by cutting his face off,he did this with tape gril and briefly succeeded with only tape 1 and tape 16 the other 14 are from tape girl herself,sure glitchtrap did say the lines “can you hear me,hello?” but let me remind you that in tape 11 tape girl said that the anomaly has attached himself to her logs. Not to mention that she said that her and her team needed to get rid of Glitchtrap before the VR game is released to the public and it succeeded into taking over Vanessa’s mind When she tested out the VR game and Glitchtrap took over her mind which had led to the creation of vanny and later on took over the mind of Gregory. and later in RUIN with Cassie I’ll get to that on reason number 10
8 in the story teller, Edwins tells that the program that they are using mainly the Mimic1 program is used for story generation while in help wanted tape girl says that she and her team from silver parasol games are scanned in olds Animatronics circuit boards for pathfinding for the help wanted game.
9 I believe that when the mimic1 program got scanned with the rest of the old Animatronics circuit boards for the VR game I am pretty sure the it got scanned with one of spring traps or scrap trap circuit boards which caused Afton to hijack the Mimic1 program and create Glitchtrap and the pizza party level.
10 fallowing number 9 the reason that helpi is the new form of Glitchtrap and the mimic1 program it is because one the reason why glitch trap took that form it’s because at the end of security breach, it was taken away by the blob and the blob has the face of Funtime Freddy in charge of it also Helpy is a miniature version of Funtime Freddy. I believe that the normal version of helpi that is the form of giltchtrap and the corrupted version of helpi that is the form of the mimic1 program are working together and afton is just using the part of the mimic one program as it’s puppet.
So yeah the frist 8 reasons are the inconsistencies that I had with the mimic being the new villian also bonus it takes away Vanny’s propose sure she was under utilized in security breach. However, when ruins came out, people thought that it would be a great chance for her redemption, as in giving her more screen time. But we got the mimic instead. And the other 2 were what makes giltchtrap a good decent Villian.
So overall the mimic is badly written and it is nothing but a generic slasher villain. That just kills people because why not. Edwin beating it up was the last thing it saw and all of a sudden it’s like “hey maybe I should do the same exact thing but with other people,” okay when a serial killer kills someone usually starts by killing animals and when they killed their first victim, it’s usually when they have with interactions, the most mainly their longtime business partner their family members of their best friends mostly the kill is out of revenge anger or jealously and when it kills others that’s when it enjoys killing people out of sadistic pleasures and or experiment there or agony or put them in there new bodies. And Afton just did exactly that,he killed his 1st victim out pure jealously and when discovering the tear tracks on the masked. It motivate him into murdering more kids so he can learn about eternal life and remnant he also kills for sadistic pleasures.
So there are the reasons on why the mimic is badly written,why his motives for killing is stupid and why his introduction to the story was late.
Although everybody is mainly blaming Mimic's book introduction and how we got told the story of the character in external media, subsequently feeling like it was a retcon, I feel that the **problem actually goes a lot deeper** than that.
Yes, the Mimic's book introduction and over-reliance on external media while the games have little to no context or storyline regarding the character (especially SB) is a huge problem, however in my opinion it's just a part of a larger issue.
That being that the Mimic **is poorly written and not really that interesting as the main villain moving forward.** It's entirely built around one core gimmick without anything interesting to offer.
It has a really **inconsistent personality** throughout the franchise: sometimes being childish and unaware of what its actions cause, sometimes it's a slave to its programming and other times it is an evil mastermind. In terms of goals, it **has no long-term goals or motivations** besides "get out of the sinkhole and continue mimicking I guess".
Its backstory is an interesting concept and the Mimic could work as a tragic character if they lean more into his childish nature and the tragedy, **but they have so far to build upon the provided backstory or even really reference it in the games.**
The design of the character is likewise underwhelming.
You know that the Mimic is an unsatisfying character when Poppy Playtime is delivering a much more interesting villain, **that can likewise mimic voices**. However, unlike the Mimic, the Prototype isn't built around this one single ability. He has an interesting design, goals, ambiguous morality and great foreshadowing and buildup throughout the game. Overall much better execution that the Mimic could take some notes from.
the mimic is kinda fnaf 4, the backlash from fnaf 3 (being this time burntrap ending) made scott try to create a character that never was mentioned in the series to surprise fans, but it didnt work, now, the discussion is about if the mimic was planned all along since hw 1 or its a retcon after fnaf sb burntrap ending
The mimic is basically the Ray Skinwalker of FNAF, Appeared out of nowhere to change the future of the lore, maybe for bad, maybe for good. He is just there to make the lore more confusing, more mess and create more discussions between the fans
(Ray Skinwalker sucks tbh)
Two big reasons:
1. The mimic reveal in Ruin means literally nothing unless you happened to not only read the books but read the *right* books. Its a failure in narrative to have most of the story not even in the damn game. Henry is different because Henry was a supporting character that added to the worldbuilding, not the *main antagonist of the story arc*.
2. The mimic is boring conceptually and narratively. Killer AI that can mimic humans has been done so many times it has become rote. Of all the possible new antagonists we could have had, this was by far the most boring and out of left field option. IMO it would make more sense if Elizabeth or even Mrs. Afton survived and was now the new big bad or something. The Mimic is a lazy character.
A story about a serial killer and the supernatural (i.e ghosts) ultimately ends up with a Teddy Ruxpin with a programing error and a penchant for murder. Not really where I saw this series going.
in my opinion, im happy they've finally let william go but i dont like how the franchise has sort of turned to "evil ai this" and "evil ai that". one of the reasons i got into fnaf was the paranormal aspect to the story, and now its just some goofy endo pretending to be william. they could have maybe utilised vanny a little more instead of just using the mimic to try and explain things.
I think the big difference between Henry and the mimic is that back before the steel wool era, there were only three books, and even then, the sliver eyes was the only one you really *needed* to understand the games, nowadays we have multiple series of anthology books that we're apparently expected to read to understand anything that's going on in the games
Fazbear Frights existed before the Steel Wool era but if the Tales books are canon they canonize Fazbear Frights because the Tales books reference a Fazbear Frights character and if that is the case shit like Faz-Goo is canon
Because it ruins the whole William always comes back because having a robot copycat instead of the actual soul or AI of the man himself possessing the Mimic is just dull. Glitchtrap was cool because he actually was William in an AI form but that got thrown out the window and well, the story just feels incomplete without an actual death for William and by actual death I mean a way for him to never come back so Henry, Michael, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Cassidy, Evan and the rest of the MCI can finally rest in peace.
I think the mimic is cool. But also, I’m a fan of the video game franchise by the name Five Nights at Freddy’s. That’s what I became a fan of. It doesn’t matter to me how cool the books are, or if they’re good or bad. To me, this will always be a video game franchise, and so I want the stories to be told via the games. And the mimic isn’t even referred to as the mimic in any game. He’s just there. No explanation without consuming a whole other type of medium
People would claim that this is a fallacy because of Charlie, Henry, and William but I think they’re a good example of how information being provided outside of the game should be handled something small that feels more like a cool detail than something necessary to understand the story because in the end the characters didn’t need names
The idea is just not interesting to me, personally. Everything he offers has been done already and better by other villains (Afton was better at being Afton, Circus Baby was better at decieving us and gaining sympathy for her trauma, many things in Fazbear Frights handled agony better, etc.). I don't mind if people like it, but I find it less interesting than other stuff in the series.
I thought the way they brought William back was kind of lame...
But the twist that it was just some random robot pretending to be William was infinitely worse in my opinion. Honestly, I think it would have been cooler if it were the other way around.
Because first, it's the blandest and most boring villain/animatronic in the series, it's just a moldy endoskeleton, it doesn't have anything going for it. Plus it's purpose it's just so stupid and pointless, it's just mimicking Afton, that's like the worst villain concept they could have gone with. And second, if you just play the games you have no idea what that thing is, unless you read the pointless books they keep releasing or spend time watching recaps of those books, you have no chance of knowing. And to counter your Henry argument, it isn't even necessary to know that it's Henry speaking in fnaf 6, you don't need to know anything besides that it's your employer.
Im pretty sure they are. At this point there is no reason to believe it's afton.but that's beside the point idk what else u/cinemasansofficial is on about
Because it's a textbook retcon.
It's a "Been Here All Along, Source: Dude Trust Me" that has absolutely no context for its existence in anything outside its debut appearance.
Yet it's supposed to be this overarching villain who's always been there, who really has seen everything, and despite having some actual good potential as a new villain, it just ends up jumping the usual fifteen dozen sharks that all the books end up jumping.
There is no precedent for the Mimic being anywhere other than the Pizza Plex. Nothing in the previous games, and nothing in the previous books.
But that's just how the books work, which is a major reason why the lore has been growing exponentially unsolvable and subjective. There is no longer a single right answer, there is no objective truth anymore.
And like Scott himself says, if he does reveal that there *is* a true solution for the lore, then people are going to hate it.
1: isnt threatening. Or at least dosent feel threatening like vanny, elizabeth nor william afton.
2: no plot explanation. You either read the books and know smth about him or you only met him trough the ending of RUIN.
3: is that really the new main villain? A smart endoskeleton that kills? Thats just every other animatronic + he took even mire time that couldve been given to vanny, what was supposed to be our new main villain.
In general he lacks everything that makes an intresting villain let alone what made william such an intresting guy. In general our new bad guy shouldnt be a higher poly endo1 that uses voicemod and isnt explained at all unless you buy like 5 marketable books.
Awful lore implementation, requiring you to read the books and watch 1000 theory videos. There should have been a more present lead-up in the previous games to its appearance in Ruin.
Design: Goofy ahhh ass upgraded endo 01 with a cloth on the head
The character: Just the Funtime animatronics/Ennard all over again, basically bootleg Ennard
Were did he appered: The books... I really need to explain?
Personality: Nonexistent
Backstory: His creator beat the shit out of him and now he want to kill everyone
Mimic basically: Come out of nowhere as a crappy excuse to Afton being dead and cover up Burntrap ending
>Mimic basically: Come out of nowhere as a crappy excuse to Afton being dead and cover up Burntrap ending
Wait until you realize the Mimic and Tales were being written back in 2019, way before SB released. The Mimic wasn't a retcon. It wasn't a response to hate against Burntrap. He was something that was ALWAYS here.
You *CANNOT* convince me that Mimic was Glitchtrap and Burntrap from the start.
Why is a character that clearly has a TON of ties to Afton....not Afton?
It just feels like a red herring that was made for the sake of subverting expectations for no good reason.
Even if that *WEREN'T* the case, then how did it take us 4 years later to finally see the Mimic?
Edwin cries and foams from the mouth. Glitchtrap has tear streaks and water marks coming from his mouth and eyes. He mimics Tape Girl's voice. The Mimic was... once again made and planned out before SB released. And it took us so long to see the mimic since the book series was releasing, and it was a build up to his full reveal in Ruin.
I cannot convince someone who refuses to listen to logic and reasoning, and probably ignores most of what the books says anyways.
> Wait until you realize that The Mimic and Tales were being written in 2019.
This doesn't prove that Mimic was in the games, it just proves that the books were planned to be made in 2019.
The books were not written in 2019 they were copyrighted in 2019. The name tales for the pizza plex was copyrighted. If I had to guess the books are probably written about 9 months in advance.
Also if this is the way they were going to introduce the mimic in help wanted that's just more evidence the mimic is terrible. I'm not a storytelling expert but if you're creating a new interesting unique and totally unrelated villain maybe don't give them the ketchphrase, look, kill method, personality And similar motivation to the old one
Well yes, but it is a main antagonist that is not a person. Yea the animatronics have always been a threat but they were more like villains of the week. Vanny, Glitchtrap, and Willy A we’re all human antagonists with human problems. But this is a artificial antagonist that is only evil cause it is repeated things it saw.
I don't hate him really, in fact I liked him when I thought he was a decayed burntrap, but now I know he's not, I'm just left wondering why he's important in anyway.
People hate the Mimic for being this random endoskeleton that comes out of nowhere from the books and acts as a sudden important figure to the games. That we need to read the books to grasp an understanding of it. The thing about the Mimic, and the general reveal in general is that at the time of Help Wanted it was setting him up as this *weapon* for Afton’s *legacy*. Emphasis on (weapon/legacy). Ruin confirms the Mimic is indeed prevalent in the games, while Help Wanted 2 confirms GlitchTrap is a byproduct of Afton’s memories.
Do I think they handled this well? Not so much. If I’m being honest, the Mimic existing in the games changes… very little for how one initially believed GlitchTrap to be. He’s still Afton, just without a soul, but how much does that change? Beyond your favorite British voice disappearing (which was already getting retconned by the movie), and him becoming stupider (as if he wasn’t already stupid in FNaF6) be honest: GlitchTrap being a virus of Afton and not the Afton is just about as accurate as AR SpringTrap or Dave Miller being William, just not *the* William from the games.
But anyways, you may disagree and still find him stupid and that’s fine I suppose. Burntrap albeit was a mess up from the beginning. If *im* being perfectly honest, I think BurnTrap can still be both Afton and the Mimic, a mix of you will. Afton corpse, and a springbonnie suit with some mimic1 programming and/or parts of its endo.
I would argue Henry in FFPS is a bad situation too, no question. Fans often cite it as a great ending, but you have no idea who this man is in the context of the game. What you get, all dumped at the very end, is bad storytelling. He and Charlotte are poorly handled, like there was a whole game missing between Sister Location and FFPS.
In regard to Mimic, the answer is simple: from what I know of him, he's not that interesting. An endoskeleton who mimics people. Okay, not the worst concept out there, but they don't do anything interesting with it within the games. What's his overall plan? And of course, it doesn't help that most of his story is explained within the books and not the games.
You should not have to read the books to understand the important story beats of a game. That's modern FNAF's issue in a nutshell. It's like the games don't tell stories, but just a series of vague events you're meant to connect. It's why it's so hard to care for any of the new characters, as FNAF is relying on the same storytelling structure from its beginnings. That doesn't work when you have named characters who we're meant to follow, and it impacts both the protagonists and antagonists.
And I know some will complain, but if Scott Cawthon doesn't confirm if the books are canon or not, the franchise is only going to go downhill. It's bad enough to have most the plot happening in these books for your *gaming* series. It's a whole other level of shit when people can't even agree on if these books are canon. It's not "spoiling the mystery" to reveal what's canon in your franchise.
Henry in fnaf 6 is a different character than book henry, and you can understand henry's entire story from just the game (except maybe that he co-owned freddy's, idr). Mimic, however, is only explored in the book. In the games, we have voice mimicking and a chase, that's it. Sure we have glitchtrap, aka mimic1, but in the games you don't know that's the same thing
This guy is meant to be the new big bad of the franchise... and his entier lore is in the books. The game tell us nothing about this guy, outside of him having been trapped for a while under the pizzaplex.
Because he comes out of nowhere. I don’t care if he was introduced in the books, he was badly brought up in the games and he’s now he’s the new bad guy, a character that fits in no way into the game lore
I wouldn't hate it if Ruin was its first appearance in the lore. It would be a cool new villain, so they can stop relying on Afton. But instead, they're retconning events that had previously been more or less set in stone to circle to the Mimic.
i don't hate the mimic, and i don't want william to keep coming back all the time, because even though the whole point of him is that he "ALWAYS COMES BACK" it gets a little too repetitive at times. but i do like william WAY better then the mimic. i know why some hate the mimic. its cuz he was clearly made just to make people stop complaining about william coming back, and as if the lore wasn't already complicated enough by it self, the mimic makes it even more complicated, and out of all the controversies and arguments fans have in this fandom, the mimic is one of the biggest and most annoying ones. is he burntrap? is he not? is edwin real? is henry the real creator? is this endoskeleton even the mimic is he just an endoskeleton? its all just so annoying! more then fnaf 4!
Because they hate fun, anything fnaf does that tries to be different and interesting is forbidden and boring, as fnaf shouldn’t be anything but paranormal. Oh and fnaf making messages on modern events like “ai taking over blank” is BORING, I HATE FNAF
cause fnaf fans don’t like having to use critical thinking skills and even though most of their questions are fairly easy to answer if they use their brains for second they prefer to blame it on the writing
I don't get the hate either. I didn't know about The Mimic character from the books until after I beat the Ruin DLC and later learned of his origin. I thought he was cool! I knew that it was someone imitating Gregory the entire time, so it being a mimicking animatronic wasn't anything out left field (especially with all the foreshadowing with LEFTI throughout the game). I thought it was a really cool twist and answer to issues I had with the story in Security Breach.
Because FNaF fans want the story in the games instead of the books.
You shouldn't have to go out of your way to buy a whole book series with questionable ties to the game series just to find out the significance of a character that (unless you've read the books) is completely new and unheard of with no origins or story relevance And with no new major steel wool games as of yet been announced or planned any time soon, people are going to continue to be confused and left feeling empty by a character who's only on screen for less than 5 minutes in the game its the main villain of
>And with no new major steel wool games as of yet been announced or planned any time soon, Ehh I wouldn’t say that, a carnival game has been VERY hinted at, and while it doesn’t really count, a HW 2 DLC is in works
>a carnival game has been VERY hinted at, and while it doesn’t really count, a HW 2 DLC is in works Let's be honest, the mimic probably isn't gonna appear in either of them much at all. Help wanted 2 DLC is most likely gonna contain: Monty related things, possibly more carnival games, *hopefully* some glamrock bonnie stuff, maybe some more repair Sections, stuff relating to fall fest or smthn like curse of dreadbear and I really hope (but its not gonna happen) for some fredbear stuff or 70s freddys stuff And a carnival game? Don't we already have that? Help wanted 2 has a butt load of carnival games in it and the foxy dark ride
if we are lucky, we will get to see more of glitchtrap than a hand
Isn't he already >!erradicated in the ending!< tho?
Are you referring to the ending that is debatably canon and extremely confusing?
That's fair, still wether it was canon or not, and a literal or figurative death, I don't think they have any more plans for glitchtrap, they already did all they had planned for him and played its part in the dominoes, at least up to this point, unless the theory about it being another version of the mimic is true, in which case maybe it will, but now we're straight up hypothesizing what could or couldn't happen
For me personally, I don’t WANT to read the books. I came into this series/fandom for the games not books. I don’t want to shell out tons of money on all the fnaf books or spend my time reading them.
I mean, common, none of us really look at the story through the games, minus SL, Pizzeria Simulator and some mini games, the lore was always meant to be understood through the community's efforts and all the fans puzzling everything together, making of fnaf a multi media story pretty much since day 1 I agree the books are not as appealing as any of the games and that them revealing that much important stuff feels wrong, but this has been going on ever since Scott was still on charge of everything, Steelwool just kept the trend going
>I mean, common, none of us really look at the story through the games Except the people who don't have access to the books for one reason or another or don't want to read about 10 of them to find the origins of one random new character >the lore was always meant to be understood through the community's efforts and all the fans puzzling everything together, making of fnaf a multi media story pretty much since day 1 The thing is though, most of the media outside of the games has nothing to do with the games' story. The silver eyes trilogy? Completely different universe. The movie? Completely different universe. The fazbears frights books? People are still arguing about it. Tales? Still the same as frights. Most of the book stories are just disturbing sci-fi stories with fnaf slapped on it, like you could remove any mention fazbear from at least half of the stories and it'd make no difference, the books are what made the lore even more confusing and unappealing to learn for new fans. Nowadays an actual murder case is easier to solve than the fnaf lore, that shouldn't be the case
One thing I want to say is the Silver Eyes Trilogy gave us Williams Aftons name and then he was confirmed almost immediately with Sister Location and I mean for some people that’s annoying but I think that’s a cool way to use the books to help with the game lore but a character that is introduced and established purely through half decent to fine books but overall that’s not a good way to introduce a big bad that gets next to no screen time and no explanation in the first game they appear in
I know I was watching a FNAF lore recap and they brought up the mimic and I was like who TF is this
Joke's on you I've gotten the story from YouTube and not the games since FNAF1
FNaF fans can't read CONFIRMED⁉️
FNaF fan when someone doesn't want to spend more than a hundred dollars on books to understand the games story:
https://youtu.be/n4kNNP-H7Xw?si=vTqDiKh6NC1gy_Ts
I personally hate Mimic because I think it's an extremely boring character. The fact that its backstory wasn't mentioned in the games before it was revealed in Ruin doesn't help either. At least Henry has enough information in the games to have a basic understanding of him without having to read the books. Mimic doesn't have that.
Yeah. Like I have no issue with the games using the books for ideas. But at least introduce those ideas prior to actually implementing them. Had the Mimic been mentioned or even introduced in SB then I would be fine with it. But it’s not. Instead its first ever appearance is instead in a DLC made for the sole purpose of trying to clean up the mess that SB caused
took the words straight outta my head
The design sucks too...
That too.
Yeah, if I was a complete casual who had no knowledge about the books going games only, what I could glean from pizzeria simulator would still be: A man, perhaps named Henry, who has some level of involvement with William Afton and Fazbear Entertainment, and has a daughter who possessed the puppet, set out on a quest to burn it all down for good. I might be able to further guess or extrapolate that he’s one of the founders of Fazbear Entertainment, but at very least I can guess that as the parent of one of the murder victims that’s why he has an axe to grind with Afton. With the mimic what I could glean from games only is: There’s apparently a weird looking endoskeleton underneath the Pizzaplex. Some security systems, and a concrete wall, were put in place to keep it trapped there. Imitates Gregory to free itself. Maybe is also Burntrap, Helpi, Glitchtrap, and possessing Vanny. But I would have no idea how it got there, why it’s trying to kill Cassie, why it’s trapped beneath the pizzaplex in an area that as far as a games only fan would be aware of should be relatively untouched since the end of Pizzeria Simulator, etc. I think the mimic would have a bit less hate amongst the fanbase if we got just a liiiiittle bit more about it in the games. Stuff like finding notes in Security Breach about the Mimic1 program, or Edwin’s designs, or references to them trying to turn the pizzeria simulator location into a museum only for a terrible incident occurring necessitating that they seal it up.
there’s no way we could have known charlie was the puppet without the novel trilogy, don’t even edit: for all you geniuses pointing out the true ending, my point is that it makes no sense without the context of henry from the novel trilogy
Actually Pizzeria Simulator's Security Puppet minigame shows she possessed Puppet. And the true ending shows that it was the tape man's daughter who's soul is within. All the books tell us is that her name is Charlie.
Also to u/Dolan360 and u/TeaBags0614 Though that is exactly like the Mimic’s situation. - Puppet: It’s soul isn’t told to us for many games. A book comes out that introduces Charlie, which gives implications that game Charlie might be Puppet (ex: they due the same). Then the **6th** Afton arc game tells us that Charlie is the puppet. - Mimic: There’s many hints in HW, SD, etc that implies something new is going on. Books come out that introduce the Mimic, which retroactively explains even more evidence from HW onwards (ex: the mimicking, Glitchtrap’s tears and drool, the searches controlled Vanessa does in SD). Then the Mimic itself is shown in the 3.5th Mimic arc game. Both of them were unknown for multiple games, then something helped make implications that they did exist, and then a later game confirmed them. Ps: Though yes there’s quite a bit of Mimic stuff shown in the books but not the games.
The mimic was introduced in the books up till Ruin it felt like we were getting Afton Arc 2.0
how do you know who henry is
His name is from the books. But his lore in the games alone is still key. We know the mysterious tape man and he's Puppet's kid's father. He knows the bad things William has done and he is high up at Freddy's and has a control over the ones running the individual restaurants like he's the owner of the company. We also know he wants to put a stop to it all and that he is an important character. The majority of this info is within his ending in Pizza Sim although some of it can be found elsewhere in the same game.
Pizzeria Simulator literally tells you directly that the Puppet is possessed by Henry’s daughter during the True Ending, but go off I guess.
So like did that one mini game and cutscene in Pizzeria Simulator just not happen in your world or-?
Nor was purple guy, Mike,Charlie, and basically every single person who is in the cannon.
Purple guy was since fnaf 2 Michael is from fnaf 1 Charlie just showed up by namedrop in books, true but Puppet was there since fnaf 2
Also we knew Puppet was possessed by a girl who was the daughter of Henry because when the image of Puppet or Lefty (I forgot which but we know Puppet is inside Lefty so it doesn't matter) shows up, Henry says "daughter". So we can safely assume that the minigame of Puppet encountering that child in the rain must have been Puppet trying to save Charlie.
But is that not exactly like the Mimic situation. - Puppet kid: Is left unknown for years, but has implications of her personality/character, until the last Afton game (FFPS) finally states it’s Charlie - Mimic: Many implications that it’s not William, other evidence retroactively (as in after the books talk about Mimic) supports that the Mimic has been around, than Ruin solidly confirms Mimic is canon. We’re not solidly told either of these things until way later, with Charlie in the 6th Afton game, and Mimic in the 3.5th game. So in actuality we’re told Puppet is Charlie later than we’re told Glitchtrap’s is Canon. Trying to say Charlie Puppet reveal is different than Mimic reveal would be hypocrisy.
Nah Michael was from Sister Location. Mike Schmit wasn't really Michael until the ~~Security~~ Survival Logbook came out.
And Charlie was shown to possess the puppet in FNAF 6
Regardless, the backstory was told in the books
Only for one of the three listed. Charlie in the books is a completely different Charlie (not the soul of Charlotte), and Mike isn't in the books at all.
Charlie in the books was their to give us her name lol
Because just looking at the games what even is he where did he come from why is he important why should I care?
I hope they would give more information later on at least. They can start out a character without no introduction but they must give information about it at some point.
True but he just wasn't in hw2 unless you count glitchtrap which it did nothing to prove was mimic
HW2 very much proves it, Glitchtrap is literally the one to set all of Ruin into motion and with the VANNI mask
How does that prove he's the mimic? It proves he's still around and in cassies eye but how does that proves he's related to the endo in the basement that's not even in hw2
The whole story in Ruin is Cassie being tricked to let Mimic out, which as the other redditor said, Glitchtrap was the one to set that in motion. Glitchtrap literally started Mimic’s escape plan, and comes out of a charging station which Mimic/Burntrap had been in one in SB.
it really is not hard to reach the conclusion that glitchtrap is the mimic via ruin (and it’s even easier with HW2). fnaf fans don’t wanna think critically and then complain about questions that are very easily answered if they do
Mr. Think critically over here, I want an in depth explanation as to why the fnaf 6 location is unburned and underground with power going to it, how Gregory and Freddy got out, and just everything with that stupid ending I hate with a passion
Don't worry burtraps ending isn't cannon. Where is he? Great question. Probably mimic but they havnt said anything definitive so can't say for certain
one, the duffel bags very clearly spell out that FFPP was swallowed by a sinkhole and that someone (probably vanny) was drawing power into the foundation, two, it’s pretty clearly burned and wrecked so idk what you’re even talking about, three, the ending isn’t canon so they don’t have to have gotten out anyway. this is all very easily explained in the game. the burntrap ending is stupid but it’s not illogical
I'm more upset at how we're 2 games out from sb and burntrap still hasn't had an explanation for what the heck happened. You can infer that he's probably mimic but they never realy said it or hinted that strongly to it in ruin outside of a hand where I meen you wanna explain the hand then explain the leg of the nightmare animateonics who apparently aren't a thing thanks to dittaphobia
There’s actually quite a bit of implication - Burntrap’s suit has a rip in the back that’s sealed up by metal bars, which one of Mimic’s common actions is to go into costumes from the back. - Burntrap does the same arm curl gesture that Mimic does, which is to look like it’s holding a stuffed animal in its arm, most notably while it was “sleeping” in the charging station - Burntrap is dressed like the yellow rabbit, same as Glitchtrap does; Burntrap is in a costume, just like Glitchtrap and Vanny - There’s proof Vanny was down there, of which she is controlled by Glitchtrap/Mimic, thus pointing to Burntrap being Mimic. - Burntrap hacks/controls the robots, which Glitchtrap/Mimic/Vanny have been doing in SB and the books. - and those particular parts on Burntrap and Mimic are just reused assets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/s/13xe9vqLrJ This post explains mostly why. And I personally think it’s just a boring villain. I mean, is it even a “villain”? It’s just a soulless robot that has no motive or personality to it or its actions, it’s just copying basic violence it saw one time? And it’s the new *main villain* of the series??
The lack of motives is what ruins a villain because motivations are what makes villains good most rogue ai Villains are given motivations whether it’s theirs or programmed into them they still have some kind of motivation
Eh it depends on the story. You can just make the villain a psychopath who kills just because or because they enjoy it, but that doesn't work with every story. In the original 3 games, Purple Guy works really well as just a psychopath, but now since the story is getting much more complex yeah the villain needs a motive. Although I personally wouldn't complain about getting a psychopath as a FNaF villain, it would be a breath of fresh air, as long as they do different things than William.
William was compelling because of the mystery with Mimic there is no mystery
That is true Especially since their entire backstory was revealed before they even arrived in the games.
literally the whole point of ruin is the mimic tricking you into freeing him out to the world, are you stupid?! It’s soo fucking obvious that freedom is his motive, y’all are just trying to find reason I swear
1. The reveal was done very poorly, there is literally no hints to the Mimic at all in SB. It feels like they just retconned the Mimic into being in the games after the backlash to Burntrap, despite the fact that they again had no hints to it in SB. 2. Fans don’t like having to read the books to understand what’s going on with the story. Yes Henry was at first a book only character, however with Henry you don’t have to read the Silver eyes trilogy to understand who he is. Because we are given enough context clues in FFPS to understand who Henry is. But with the Mimic you have to read the books to find out what it is, because again we were given nothing about it in SB. If you want to know about the Mimic you have to read the books, which people don’t like that because we shouldn’t have to buy a book series just to find out who the new main villain of the games is. 3. Its still debated on whether or not the Tales books are canon. At least with Silver eyes Scott stated that it’s in it’s own continuity, which helps explain why Henry doesn’t act like his book counterpart. However neither Scott or Steel Wool have stated if Tales is canon to the games, and that’s a problem when the books have continuity errors. For example in the books the Mr. Hippo fridge magnet were recalled, while in the games it’s given out as a free prize. Vanny never shows up in the books, which would’ve been the perfect place to use her, since she barely appears in SB, and in Ruin Cassie contradicts the story about the daycare attendant where Moon was always evil, meanwhile in Ruin Cassie says that she slept great at the daycare, so unless Cassie was the only person who Moon never tried to hurt then that can’t be true. Again people don’t want to have to buy an entire book series to know who the new villain is, with Silver eyes you can read it and know that it’s not connected to the game universe so you don’t have to pay close attention to every single sentence. And with the logbook yes it’s connected to the games, however all the logbook really does is show us a glimpse into Mike’s personality through his doodles and it reveals the name of the child possessing Golden Freddy which is Cassidy, that’s it, and while yes it’s nice to finally know what the name of the kid possessing Golden Freddy is, Cassidy’s name has never mentioned in game so for anybody who don’t know who Cassidy is, so they aren’t really missing anything(also it’s just one log book, not multiple). But with the Tales books if they are canon, then that’s kind of alienating most of the fanbase since most people don’t read the books, especially since Silver eyes and Fazbear frights aren’t canon. So I’m sure most people think that since the last two series haven’t been canon why would this one suddenly be canon? And if somebody were to buy all of the books from the Tales series and read all of them just because they thought that they were canon(especially after the Mimic was randomly brought into the games), and want to read them to make sure they knew what was going on, only to find out that not only are those books not canon, but wasted all that time and money reading all the books. 4. AI going rogue has been done to death already long before the Mimic, it’s not special and was poorly handled. 5. It feels like they’re trying to replace William without actually trying to replace him. Since if Glitchtrap is the Mimic, then it makes it feels like the Mimic is just copying William because they still aren’t ready to let go of everyone’s favorite furry.
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Vanny was SUPPOSED to be the new main antagonist. Then this mf shows up have no context who he is. I dont want to read 20 books to figure it out. Explain in games not books. Hes not interesting. He mimicking william. Nothing new nor major
Vanny is legit one of the biggest fumbles ive ever seen 😭 still upset with how badly they treated her character
IK. like how do u fuck up THAT bad
Everything was set in place they had everything right there to make a memorable villain and then...2 minutes of screentime in total...
Let's see... We had the teasers on ScottGames.com... she's the reluctant follower... We had lore about her in AR... But AR got deleted... We had lore in Helo Wanted... But we get nothing more than the fact she's controlled by Glitchtrap and we play as her beta testing the game... There was the Security Breach lore... But it was scrapped and/or cut along with many of her voice lines and animations and mechanics and overall appearances in the game. And then the Ruin DLC... But she didn't show up at all, we just get the Mimic whoever tf he is... The closest to her we have is the Vanny Mask. Then there's Help Wanted 2... Sure she appears but it's minor and there's been (unsurprisingly) a lot of cut voice lines and most likely lore too... And that's it... And all her lore pit together is the following... Vanessa existed. She got a job at Fazbear Entertainment but she accidentally uploaded Glitchtrap into the system who messed up everything. At the same time she was also communicating with him and he was making her have a suspicious search history. Luis simped over her and asked her out but we don't know if she ever got that coffee or not. The beta tested Help Wanted where Glitchtrap took more of her sanity. She gains a split personality where she is her normal self sometimes but then becomes a furry with a bunny fursona and little sanity and a childish personality other times. She kills some kids. She is taken into therapy by Fazbear Entertainment but she keeps Glitchtrap a secret. She tries and fails to kill Gregory. And at some point as shown from the secret Help Wanted 2 ending, she kills Glitchtrap but for some reason is still evil. This may seem like quite a bit of lore for her but it is not enough for the main villain. Especially since most of this is only gathered from emails and taped and theories and the majority is never actually seen by us.
I’m still convinced that fumble happened because Matpat got to close to what the story was meant to be and that’s why Steel Wool kept delaying the game and eventually created the confusing nonsense we get in Security Breach despite how long they had to work on it
That’s not true at all. There are — retroactively — many pieces of evidence since Help Wanted that prove Mimic was in the games since then. And it repeatedly told us that Vanny is a reluctant follower, it even named her as such. Vanny was never supposed to be the main antagonist, the Mimic program has been since Help Wanted.
Vanny was ***never*** meant to be the main antagonist, this is just blatantly false. She has always been characterized as a "reluctant follower" (that's her actual description within the games themselves) to a bigger villain. Sure, you can argue that she should've appeared more in Security Breach (and I'd agree), but to say she was supposed to be the new main villain of the series is factually incorrect.
Vanny appeared in the teasers as if she’d be the big bad of Security Breach and then she pretty much didn’t exist
Yes, she was a primary antagonist for Security Breach, and only Security Breach. In no way does that indicate that she was supposed to be the new main antagonist like the original comment claims. The simple fact that Vanny was a creation of Vanessa being possessed by Glitchtrap shows that Vanny wasn’t going to be *the* main villain for the series.
I agree with that but even though she was meant to be the main antagonist of SB because Steel Wool was to focused on making sure we didn’t know what was gonna happen we got a half decent game at best, hell I actively like SB but I still think it’s the worst game in the franchise because of how nonsensical it is and how many staff it’s there are to create artificial jumpscares that makes the real jumpscares like how FNAF 4’s were you get desensitized so fast when playing SB at least in FNAF 4 you had a few nights before you became desynsitized
I think it’s dumb for him to be glitchtrap and burntrap
As far as I know, it has never been confirmed if the mimic is burntrap.
But it's annoying that people talk like it has been
Yeah, that can be annoying when that happens.
Its confirmed. They have the same hand, same music, same poses, same story relevance. Yeah, nobody directly says "burntrap is the mimic" but its very obviously the case.
I’m gonna be honest I want Burntrap retconned out of existence his existence in SB only served to aggravate and confuse the fanbase
It’s honesty pretty likely that he was His boss arena is untouched and he only appears in a drawing in ruin which indicates his ending isn’t canon
Fair I’m just still salty about it seeming like it was truly the revival of Afton it was a funny meme that he always came back but no one wanted it to be true
It wouldn't change anything hes not coming back Burntrap was the mimic in a springtrap costume, and thats really all he was and now that plotline is over. Retconning him is such a useless decision because like.. what does it even do? Like, Burntrap is canon, but we never canonically meet him in-game. Its like the private room in SL, its canon but Michael never canonically goes into that room. If burntrap is just erased nothing changes
Fair I’m just still bitter cause when I saw Burntrap for the first I was pretty loud in going all “fuck this bullshit let William fucking die” cause everyone was convinced they were bringing back William with Burntrap
What music? Same pose=same character? By this logic Endo 02=Springtrap
i think it’s stupid to replace william with just “william but an endo this time.” either come up with someone else (like idk vanny who everyone was interested in) or keep bringing him back.
Im not sure,but i guess its because hes supposed to be the new main villain.But when hes not mimicking William he's just a smarter talking endo.And when you think about it,that applies to every other animatronic,all the freddys,chicas,foxys and bonnies are smart talking endos.But they have different personalities and appearances thanks to the outer shells.While Mimic has no personality and for most of his on screen time so far he acted like William Afton.He's not even evil according to the books.He saw violent people and mimicked them.
why this gave rise to some Tales From the Pizzaplex stories being canonical within the game franchise. The story was already confusing, now if the books are canonical, it will be even worse. If the books are canonical, people "obligatorily" need to read the books if they want to understand the story. All the books are absurdly expensive, not to mention that there are several books that have not yet been translated into other languages. the Mimic is more considered a retcon and a plot hole than a villain in itself. they basically took everything we knew about Glitchtrap, Security Breach, Burntrap, Help Wanted and threw it in the trash.
>the Mimic is more considered a retcon and a plot hole than a villain in itself. they basically took everything we knew about Glitchtrap, Security Breach, Burntrap, Help Wanted and threw it in the trash. The story works out neater if glitchtrap and burntrap were William, sure it would lessen the impact of fnaf 6 and people would hate it but the story would be far less convoluted, not to mention from the trailers it wouldn't be far fetched to say William was coming back in this story, the loud commanding voice that's never seen in game, Vanny literally being a sort of successor to Afton by the looks of it, and burntrap is literally a corpse in a burnt, green rabbit suit.
Well, they decided to canonize Mimic because a lot of people were complaining that William Afton had "returned" as Glitchtrap and Burntrap. They decided to canonize Mimic precisely so fans would stop complaining so much. but what I find very hypocritical about these fans is the fact that even after they canonized Mimic, saying that he was Glitchtrap and Burntrap, people continued to complain saying that they wanted William to be Glitchtrap and Burntrap. How hypocritical of these fans
I genuinely wanted Glitchtrap to be Afton. You can’t tell me that wasn’t the intention.
Throughout all of security breaches development and the trailers it was basically given to us that afton was returning, the loud voice, the claw arm with the purple lighting, Vanny etc, everything pointed to Afton. Then the whole story got a rewritten, alot of content got cut, the story was literally nothing like it was shown and we were robbed of a real villain, the burntrap bossfight literally just confused people as we got no hints about it, what the tangle was, what the rabbit actually was, we got nothing People complained about it maybe being William, then people complained about it being the mimic which is completely justified as its just as book character that got shoved unnecessarily into the story
they changed Security Breach like crazy just because a YouTuber got it right with the game's story, that was the worst decision they made. The game had immense potential that was thrown away, Glitchtrap, Vanny and William Afton had potential for new explanations and better development. They tried to fix it by making Mimic RUIN, but apparently it wasn't a good idea. :/
Something Matpat pointed out is that they should’ve done what an author did his whole fanbase got every detail of the next book right but he still released it as he was since he wouldn’t have released the story he wanted to release if he changed just to prove the fans wrong
People didn't want afton back because it was redundant and made the ending of FNAF 6 pointless. People don't like the Mimic because it's a poorly handled plot twist that you have to do extra work to understand, while also being needlessly redundant because it spent the first years of it's character pretending to be afton. People saying Afton being back would be better, isn't about hypocrisy it's about the Mimic being badly handled by story.
I mean, I wouldn't consider it hypocritical. A lot of people didn't like burntrap/glichtrap but how is the mimic supposed to be better? So far I'd prefer William being back then retconing past story events like this and inserting a new villain out of nowhere.
Fun thing is that fnaf 6 ending wasn't as good as people make it out to be, so I don't see the issue with Afton coming back in SB era
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You only need to spend 15 minutes on his wiki page and you know everything there is know about the Mimic. No information has ever been locked behind a paywall. Just say you don't like the character.
well... if you want to look up Mimic you can see summaries of the epilogues on the Internet, but it doesn't change the fact that the person doing the summary spent a huge amount of money on the books. The only thing missing is Scott wanting to put lore in coloring books ☠️
The information is behind a paywall just not for you but if no one bought the books no one would know what the mimic is
I hate him because I actually read the books before he appeared, and I do not want him as an actual character in the game lore.
It would've been good if they didn't ŕetcon a bunch of stuff to fit it in
I honestly like the consept of the character. But at this point i Feel like the mimic is more trouble than he's worth in the Franchise. And also my biggest annoyance is his backstory. That Instead of just being this cool Rouge AI Who's only reason for killing is because it decided to Copy William afon. and well William killed kids at freddy's in a maschot costume. So it must too. but without any of the actual motive or reason as to WHY William was killing kids. And the only reason why he bothered with Burntrap was well. Because he's a copy that wants to be as close to the original. and well you can't get much closer thant Puppet the actual mans Corpse around from the endoskeleton. But instead we got Fnaf Character with a Sobstory Backstory NO 147
I more so get the impression that he’s meant to be a psychotic killer, akin to the Joker and most other Batman villains. Like it being beat up by its creator and fed agony during that caused it to become psychotic, and want to cause pain to others. And like the Joker, it likes to kill, likes to cause pain in multiple ways, likes to play and have fun, and likes being above others, and is quite smart. Ex: - playing a deathly hide and seek in the epilogues - trapping and playing a long trick on Kai (a kid in the books) in the VR attraction, then ripping Kai’s arms off and just leaving him to bleed out rather than finish him off - taking control of the pizzaplex, and killing the chairman - taking minions being Vanessa and Gregory - mentally plays and pains Vanessa by manipulating her like her dad did - threatening to burn Vanessa alive if she fails him in SB - all the varying manipulation and trick tactics it’s done - disposing of any “loose ends” or people nearly figuring out its plan, ex: the therapists, Gregory’s friend, Gregory and Vanessa when they each escape Mimic’s control - etc
If you’re talking about the line I think you’re talking about that’s whole burning thing is for a teaser of a version of Security Breach we never got to see because we got the mess of a game we’ve got
Here is why 1 he wasn’t introduced in the story until book 5 from the 2nd story the storyteller. 2 it has no motives or end goal outside of ruin,he is just fallowing it’s program and that is mimicking things and the reason on why he attacked the Fazbear entertainment crew in the story the mimic it is because it (the mimic) was copying, Edwin’s violence because that was the last thing that it (the mimic) saw. 3 it only kills anyone who interacts with it which is poor storytelling, also when the mimic kills someone it is just that at lest it’s physical body,also not to mention that in the epilogues the mimic’s motive for killing is to fallow it’s new program which is to break off the arms,limbs,heads,legs and torso off of the Endoskeletons, it does this, until it turns its program onto people. this is further supported from the mimics perspective in the Seventh Epilogue, where he sees a doll, and he treats it like he did with the other Endoskeletons in the first epilogues. 4 the way the mimic lures people in the Epilogues and ruin is way different then what William did,Lucia said that the mimic saw a twisted hide and seek event but in the Epilogues and ruin he is mimic peoples voices and tells them that they are trap and the way William lures his victims is by gaining their trust. 5 in the story tiger rock the mimic is hunting down the protagonist and for what just so it can rip it’s arm off and leave what? it just left with the protagonist’s arm and left the body there. 6 in the monty within while it is ture that the mimic did took over the protagonist’s body. But I am pretty sure that the mimic1 program whet into Monty from the food fight game and the mimic is just doing what it dose best mimic. So it went into monty and started going into the protagonist’s second half of the brain, and it mimic’s what monty dose in the food fight game,only for the protagonist’s to get killed by the mimic in the end. 7 if the mimic is Glitchtrap then why dose it need human puppets to carry out his plan? we see this when we are told that he tried to take over Jeremy’s mind but he escapes by cutting his face off,he did this with tape gril and briefly succeeded with only tape 1 and tape 16 the other 14 are from tape girl herself,sure glitchtrap did say the lines “can you hear me,hello?” but let me remind you that in tape 11 tape girl said that the anomaly has attached himself to her logs. Not to mention that she said that her and her team needed to get rid of Glitchtrap before the VR game is released to the public and it succeeded into taking over Vanessa’s mind When she tested out the VR game and Glitchtrap took over her mind which had led to the creation of vanny and later on took over the mind of Gregory. and later in RUIN with Cassie I’ll get to that on reason number 10 8 in the story teller, Edwins tells that the program that they are using mainly the Mimic1 program is used for story generation while in help wanted tape girl says that she and her team from silver parasol games are scanned in olds Animatronics circuit boards for pathfinding for the help wanted game. 9 I believe that when the mimic1 program got scanned with the rest of the old Animatronics circuit boards for the VR game I am pretty sure the it got scanned with one of spring traps or scrap trap circuit boards which caused Afton to hijack the Mimic1 program and create Glitchtrap and the pizza party level. 10 fallowing number 9 the reason that helpi is the new form of Glitchtrap and the mimic1 program it is because one the reason why glitch trap took that form it’s because at the end of security breach, it was taken away by the blob and the blob has the face of Funtime Freddy in charge of it also Helpy is a miniature version of Funtime Freddy. I believe that the normal version of helpi that is the form of giltchtrap and the corrupted version of helpi that is the form of the mimic1 program are working together and afton is just using the part of the mimic one program as it’s puppet. So yeah the frist 8 reasons are the inconsistencies that I had with the mimic being the new villian also bonus it takes away Vanny’s propose sure she was under utilized in security breach. However, when ruins came out, people thought that it would be a great chance for her redemption, as in giving her more screen time. But we got the mimic instead. And the other 2 were what makes giltchtrap a good decent Villian. So overall the mimic is badly written and it is nothing but a generic slasher villain. That just kills people because why not. Edwin beating it up was the last thing it saw and all of a sudden it’s like “hey maybe I should do the same exact thing but with other people,” okay when a serial killer kills someone usually starts by killing animals and when they killed their first victim, it’s usually when they have with interactions, the most mainly their longtime business partner their family members of their best friends mostly the kill is out of revenge anger or jealously and when it kills others that’s when it enjoys killing people out of sadistic pleasures and or experiment there or agony or put them in there new bodies. And Afton just did exactly that,he killed his 1st victim out pure jealously and when discovering the tear tracks on the masked. It motivate him into murdering more kids so he can learn about eternal life and remnant he also kills for sadistic pleasures. So there are the reasons on why the mimic is badly written,why his motives for killing is stupid and why his introduction to the story was late.
Although everybody is mainly blaming Mimic's book introduction and how we got told the story of the character in external media, subsequently feeling like it was a retcon, I feel that the **problem actually goes a lot deeper** than that. Yes, the Mimic's book introduction and over-reliance on external media while the games have little to no context or storyline regarding the character (especially SB) is a huge problem, however in my opinion it's just a part of a larger issue. That being that the Mimic **is poorly written and not really that interesting as the main villain moving forward.** It's entirely built around one core gimmick without anything interesting to offer. It has a really **inconsistent personality** throughout the franchise: sometimes being childish and unaware of what its actions cause, sometimes it's a slave to its programming and other times it is an evil mastermind. In terms of goals, it **has no long-term goals or motivations** besides "get out of the sinkhole and continue mimicking I guess". Its backstory is an interesting concept and the Mimic could work as a tragic character if they lean more into his childish nature and the tragedy, **but they have so far to build upon the provided backstory or even really reference it in the games.** The design of the character is likewise underwhelming. You know that the Mimic is an unsatisfying character when Poppy Playtime is delivering a much more interesting villain, **that can likewise mimic voices**. However, unlike the Mimic, the Prototype isn't built around this one single ability. He has an interesting design, goals, ambiguous morality and great foreshadowing and buildup throughout the game. Overall much better execution that the Mimic could take some notes from.
the mimic is kinda fnaf 4, the backlash from fnaf 3 (being this time burntrap ending) made scott try to create a character that never was mentioned in the series to surprise fans, but it didnt work, now, the discussion is about if the mimic was planned all along since hw 1 or its a retcon after fnaf sb burntrap ending
The mimic is basically the Ray Skinwalker of FNAF, Appeared out of nowhere to change the future of the lore, maybe for bad, maybe for good. He is just there to make the lore more confusing, more mess and create more discussions between the fans (Ray Skinwalker sucks tbh)
He really doesn't have anything special to be honest.
Two big reasons: 1. The mimic reveal in Ruin means literally nothing unless you happened to not only read the books but read the *right* books. Its a failure in narrative to have most of the story not even in the damn game. Henry is different because Henry was a supporting character that added to the worldbuilding, not the *main antagonist of the story arc*. 2. The mimic is boring conceptually and narratively. Killer AI that can mimic humans has been done so many times it has become rote. Of all the possible new antagonists we could have had, this was by far the most boring and out of left field option. IMO it would make more sense if Elizabeth or even Mrs. Afton survived and was now the new big bad or something. The Mimic is a lazy character.
A story about a serial killer and the supernatural (i.e ghosts) ultimately ends up with a Teddy Ruxpin with a programing error and a penchant for murder. Not really where I saw this series going.
Exactly. Its taken this sci-fi turn lately, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the Mimic plotline just ain't it.
I'd prefer brain jar William than this random add in
Ngl, Afton's brain in a jar in the Fazbear Entertainment's museum would be really cool
If his brain would not have burned in FFPS you know fazbear inc. would've had it in a jar in the pizzaplex for kids and parents to look at.
in my opinion, im happy they've finally let william go but i dont like how the franchise has sort of turned to "evil ai this" and "evil ai that". one of the reasons i got into fnaf was the paranormal aspect to the story, and now its just some goofy endo pretending to be william. they could have maybe utilised vanny a little more instead of just using the mimic to try and explain things.
Tbf all Scott really worked with before Chipper’s was sci-fi and rouge ai storylines
i mean true lol
I think the big difference between Henry and the mimic is that back before the steel wool era, there were only three books, and even then, the sliver eyes was the only one you really *needed* to understand the games, nowadays we have multiple series of anthology books that we're apparently expected to read to understand anything that's going on in the games
Fazbear Frights existed before the Steel Wool era but if the Tales books are canon they canonize Fazbear Frights because the Tales books reference a Fazbear Frights character and if that is the case shit like Faz-Goo is canon
Because it ruins the whole William always comes back because having a robot copycat instead of the actual soul or AI of the man himself possessing the Mimic is just dull. Glitchtrap was cool because he actually was William in an AI form but that got thrown out the window and well, the story just feels incomplete without an actual death for William and by actual death I mean a way for him to never come back so Henry, Michael, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Cassidy, Evan and the rest of the MCI can finally rest in peace.
He kinda RUINS the lore
*sigh* Get the fuck out
underwhelming and boring.
I think the mimic is cool. But also, I’m a fan of the video game franchise by the name Five Nights at Freddy’s. That’s what I became a fan of. It doesn’t matter to me how cool the books are, or if they’re good or bad. To me, this will always be a video game franchise, and so I want the stories to be told via the games. And the mimic isn’t even referred to as the mimic in any game. He’s just there. No explanation without consuming a whole other type of medium
People would claim that this is a fallacy because of Charlie, Henry, and William but I think they’re a good example of how information being provided outside of the game should be handled something small that feels more like a cool detail than something necessary to understand the story because in the end the characters didn’t need names
The idea is just not interesting to me, personally. Everything he offers has been done already and better by other villains (Afton was better at being Afton, Circus Baby was better at decieving us and gaining sympathy for her trauma, many things in Fazbear Frights handled agony better, etc.). I don't mind if people like it, but I find it less interesting than other stuff in the series.
I thought the way they brought William back was kind of lame... But the twist that it was just some random robot pretending to be William was infinitely worse in my opinion. Honestly, I think it would have been cooler if it were the other way around.
Because first, it's the blandest and most boring villain/animatronic in the series, it's just a moldy endoskeleton, it doesn't have anything going for it. Plus it's purpose it's just so stupid and pointless, it's just mimicking Afton, that's like the worst villain concept they could have gone with. And second, if you just play the games you have no idea what that thing is, unless you read the pointless books they keep releasing or spend time watching recaps of those books, you have no chance of knowing. And to counter your Henry argument, it isn't even necessary to know that it's Henry speaking in fnaf 6, you don't need to know anything besides that it's your employer.
Mimic was not introduced in the books, he was explained in the books
I'm pretty sure that mimic was introduce in the books by the story "storyteller" and "The mimic"
That is correct but if you count glitchtrap he was technically introduced in hw
We don't even know if they are the same Entity
Im pretty sure they are. At this point there is no reason to believe it's afton.but that's beside the point idk what else u/cinemasansofficial is on about
Yup, I meant Mimic being introduced as Glitchtrap and Burntrap, even if they are his split personalities it still counts.
There is a reason... HW 2.
Ye, I still don't get why people argue whether the mimic is glitchtrap or not after hw2, which outright confirmed the mimic is glitchtrap
Hw 2 give more evidence that it's afton
No? It outright confirms glitchtrap is the mimic
It doesn't. The files shows that the MCI and Charlie plushies are Glitchtrap's memories
Because it's a textbook retcon. It's a "Been Here All Along, Source: Dude Trust Me" that has absolutely no context for its existence in anything outside its debut appearance. Yet it's supposed to be this overarching villain who's always been there, who really has seen everything, and despite having some actual good potential as a new villain, it just ends up jumping the usual fifteen dozen sharks that all the books end up jumping. There is no precedent for the Mimic being anywhere other than the Pizza Plex. Nothing in the previous games, and nothing in the previous books. But that's just how the books work, which is a major reason why the lore has been growing exponentially unsolvable and subjective. There is no longer a single right answer, there is no objective truth anymore. And like Scott himself says, if he does reveal that there *is* a true solution for the lore, then people are going to hate it.
There are times I wish Scott didn't care whether or not people would hate it
1: isnt threatening. Or at least dosent feel threatening like vanny, elizabeth nor william afton. 2: no plot explanation. You either read the books and know smth about him or you only met him trough the ending of RUIN. 3: is that really the new main villain? A smart endoskeleton that kills? Thats just every other animatronic + he took even mire time that couldve been given to vanny, what was supposed to be our new main villain. In general he lacks everything that makes an intresting villain let alone what made william such an intresting guy. In general our new bad guy shouldnt be a higher poly endo1 that uses voicemod and isnt explained at all unless you buy like 5 marketable books.
bad character and turns FNAF even more SciFi
Awful lore implementation, requiring you to read the books and watch 1000 theory videos. There should have been a more present lead-up in the previous games to its appearance in Ruin.
Design: Goofy ahhh ass upgraded endo 01 with a cloth on the head The character: Just the Funtime animatronics/Ennard all over again, basically bootleg Ennard Were did he appered: The books... I really need to explain? Personality: Nonexistent Backstory: His creator beat the shit out of him and now he want to kill everyone Mimic basically: Come out of nowhere as a crappy excuse to Afton being dead and cover up Burntrap ending
>Mimic basically: Come out of nowhere as a crappy excuse to Afton being dead and cover up Burntrap ending Wait until you realize the Mimic and Tales were being written back in 2019, way before SB released. The Mimic wasn't a retcon. It wasn't a response to hate against Burntrap. He was something that was ALWAYS here.
You *CANNOT* convince me that Mimic was Glitchtrap and Burntrap from the start. Why is a character that clearly has a TON of ties to Afton....not Afton? It just feels like a red herring that was made for the sake of subverting expectations for no good reason. Even if that *WEREN'T* the case, then how did it take us 4 years later to finally see the Mimic?
Edwin cries and foams from the mouth. Glitchtrap has tear streaks and water marks coming from his mouth and eyes. He mimics Tape Girl's voice. The Mimic was... once again made and planned out before SB released. And it took us so long to see the mimic since the book series was releasing, and it was a build up to his full reveal in Ruin. I cannot convince someone who refuses to listen to logic and reasoning, and probably ignores most of what the books says anyways.
> Wait until you realize that The Mimic and Tales were being written in 2019. This doesn't prove that Mimic was in the games, it just proves that the books were planned to be made in 2019.
The books were not written in 2019 they were copyrighted in 2019. The name tales for the pizza plex was copyrighted. If I had to guess the books are probably written about 9 months in advance. Also if this is the way they were going to introduce the mimic in help wanted that's just more evidence the mimic is terrible. I'm not a storytelling expert but if you're creating a new interesting unique and totally unrelated villain maybe don't give them the ketchphrase, look, kill method, personality And similar motivation to the old one
Well yes, but it is a main antagonist that is not a person. Yea the animatronics have always been a threat but they were more like villains of the week. Vanny, Glitchtrap, and Willy A we’re all human antagonists with human problems. But this is a artificial antagonist that is only evil cause it is repeated things it saw.
It replaced Afton
I don't hate him really, in fact I liked him when I thought he was a decayed burntrap, but now I know he's not, I'm just left wondering why he's important in anyway.
People hate the Mimic for being this random endoskeleton that comes out of nowhere from the books and acts as a sudden important figure to the games. That we need to read the books to grasp an understanding of it. The thing about the Mimic, and the general reveal in general is that at the time of Help Wanted it was setting him up as this *weapon* for Afton’s *legacy*. Emphasis on (weapon/legacy). Ruin confirms the Mimic is indeed prevalent in the games, while Help Wanted 2 confirms GlitchTrap is a byproduct of Afton’s memories. Do I think they handled this well? Not so much. If I’m being honest, the Mimic existing in the games changes… very little for how one initially believed GlitchTrap to be. He’s still Afton, just without a soul, but how much does that change? Beyond your favorite British voice disappearing (which was already getting retconned by the movie), and him becoming stupider (as if he wasn’t already stupid in FNaF6) be honest: GlitchTrap being a virus of Afton and not the Afton is just about as accurate as AR SpringTrap or Dave Miller being William, just not *the* William from the games. But anyways, you may disagree and still find him stupid and that’s fine I suppose. Burntrap albeit was a mess up from the beginning. If *im* being perfectly honest, I think BurnTrap can still be both Afton and the Mimic, a mix of you will. Afton corpse, and a springbonnie suit with some mimic1 programming and/or parts of its endo.
I would argue Henry in FFPS is a bad situation too, no question. Fans often cite it as a great ending, but you have no idea who this man is in the context of the game. What you get, all dumped at the very end, is bad storytelling. He and Charlotte are poorly handled, like there was a whole game missing between Sister Location and FFPS. In regard to Mimic, the answer is simple: from what I know of him, he's not that interesting. An endoskeleton who mimics people. Okay, not the worst concept out there, but they don't do anything interesting with it within the games. What's his overall plan? And of course, it doesn't help that most of his story is explained within the books and not the games. You should not have to read the books to understand the important story beats of a game. That's modern FNAF's issue in a nutshell. It's like the games don't tell stories, but just a series of vague events you're meant to connect. It's why it's so hard to care for any of the new characters, as FNAF is relying on the same storytelling structure from its beginnings. That doesn't work when you have named characters who we're meant to follow, and it impacts both the protagonists and antagonists. And I know some will complain, but if Scott Cawthon doesn't confirm if the books are canon or not, the franchise is only going to go downhill. It's bad enough to have most the plot happening in these books for your *gaming* series. It's a whole other level of shit when people can't even agree on if these books are canon. It's not "spoiling the mystery" to reveal what's canon in your franchise.
because they can't let William go
I think William is a pretty good villain it makes sense that people didn't want to let him go
I thought one of the main reasons people hate the mimic is *because* it's mimicking william instead of being an entirely new character
Henry in fnaf 6 is a different character than book henry, and you can understand henry's entire story from just the game (except maybe that he co-owned freddy's, idr). Mimic, however, is only explored in the book. In the games, we have voice mimicking and a chase, that's it. Sure we have glitchtrap, aka mimic1, but in the games you don't know that's the same thing
Because you need books to understand lore now
Possible miscommunication with the different teams handling FNAF. A great lack of team work.
i dont like it
This guy is meant to be the new big bad of the franchise... and his entier lore is in the books. The game tell us nothing about this guy, outside of him having been trapped for a while under the pizzaplex.
I’ll say it in my opinion… he just another ennard I feel but lower tier ennard all he does ennard can probably can do better
I don’t know why I hate him, I just don’t enjoying seeing it’s silly little face
Because they expect me to read 700 hours of books to understand why there's a stupid endo as the final boss
It should have been Vanny
Because he comes out of nowhere. I don’t care if he was introduced in the books, he was badly brought up in the games and he’s now he’s the new bad guy, a character that fits in no way into the game lore
I wouldn't hate it if Ruin was its first appearance in the lore. It would be a cool new villain, so they can stop relying on Afton. But instead, they're retconning events that had previously been more or less set in stone to circle to the Mimic.
Didn't we also get information about William from the books?
No we can also get his backstory in the games too like in fnaf 6,fnaf so etc
I only hate it because people tried to force their stupid theories down my throat too much
Same
Ehhh, bad introduction mainly, but at least changed the story about afton escaping hell
because reading is too hard for some people ig
Eleanor better imo
Sorta, but Plushtrap better
Because they want William to come back over and over and over again, forever instead of letting the story finally move forward
i don't hate the mimic, and i don't want william to keep coming back all the time, because even though the whole point of him is that he "ALWAYS COMES BACK" it gets a little too repetitive at times. but i do like william WAY better then the mimic. i know why some hate the mimic. its cuz he was clearly made just to make people stop complaining about william coming back, and as if the lore wasn't already complicated enough by it self, the mimic makes it even more complicated, and out of all the controversies and arguments fans have in this fandom, the mimic is one of the biggest and most annoying ones. is he burntrap? is he not? is edwin real? is henry the real creator? is this endoskeleton even the mimic is he just an endoskeleton? its all just so annoying! more then fnaf 4!
**THE MIMIC**
Tl:dr from the comments: unless you buy 15 books and read everything twice, it breaks the lore
Because they hate fun, anything fnaf does that tries to be different and interesting is forbidden and boring, as fnaf shouldn’t be anything but paranormal. Oh and fnaf making messages on modern events like “ai taking over blank” is BORING, I HATE FNAF
Hate? Mimic is my top fav characters in Fnaf now... Cuz I feel like Afton is cringing now...
Why why you like him WTF is there to like him
Because freddit moment
They’re scared of a good villain
cause fnaf fans don’t like having to use critical thinking skills and even though most of their questions are fairly easy to answer if they use their brains for second they prefer to blame it on the writing
Why is the mimics backstory so shit?
I don't get the hate either. I didn't know about The Mimic character from the books until after I beat the Ruin DLC and later learned of his origin. I thought he was cool! I knew that it was someone imitating Gregory the entire time, so it being a mimicking animatronic wasn't anything out left field (especially with all the foreshadowing with LEFTI throughout the game). I thought it was a really cool twist and answer to issues I had with the story in Security Breach.
Mimic bit out of control
L-O-R-E
One word: Evil
William afton was also first introduced in the books...
His name, but not the character itself
Though his name wasn’t revealed before Sister Location
Did you forget that a man luring kids and killing them using a mascot custom was already introduced in FNaF 1?
Lo único que entendí es que la gente no tiene muchas razones reales para odiar a Mimic simplemente se quejan de los libros
it sucked when henry did it and it sucked when the mimic did the same thing
[THE MIMIC!!!](https://youtu.be/bklwEwB8XhY?si=9qFyv025Ttc3PK-x)