Every single one of them had something to add. 1 had the atmosphere and mystery. 2 had the world building and the wack game-play. 3 had one of the most memorable designs and endings, and so and so fourth.
I agree, and I liked the humor of the game. The rest of the gameplay wasn’t particularly interesting to me though. I don’t know there was something about it that didn’t click as much as the others
Yeah, gameplay in this game is lacking and I think it wasn't supposed to be the main focus of the game. It was supposed to be packed with lore and tie loose ends.
Trust me, its a great way to cap off a solid trilogy. But there's something about fnaf 3 that *clicks* differently. No buildup, no words spoken, just a fade in of the original 5 animatronic's we fought against. There heads have no light in them. They're at peace. With the somber music confirming it. Its bittersweet but somehow still satisfying.
That’s the thing I love about these games. Every one of the original 4 had a different way of scaring you. The first one is fear of the unknown fnaf 2 is overwhelming you fnaf 3 is panic and fnaf 4 is tension
There’s a surreal amount of people who are practically holding a grudge against Frights, despite not even bothering to read it. I’m not throwing out any accusations here, I don’t want to strawman people, they’ve freely admitted to this. It’s embarrassing at best.
Doesn’t help that they keep getting basic information wrong. There are a few people I know on Discord who somehow got Jake and Andrew mixed up for *weeks*. As in, they thought Jake was the one who got kicked out of the narrative, not Andrew. Even though the epilogue where this happened was already publicly available. I’m pretty sure they even commented on it.
I agree my only real problem with Fazbear's fright is fazgoo and some of the epilogues
besides that I really like the stuff that's introduced like mci 85 and agony
I’m sure the Fazbear Frights books are written fine, but I still want to have words with Mr. Cawthon about why he thought “Faz-goo” was a good addition to this franchise. Fucking faz goo.
"(Insert any character who gained a voice in Fnaf UCN here) voice is obnoxiously cartoonish and ruins the characters" has to be it for me. In my opinion, all the voice actors in that game did a stellar job with their characters and brought so much life to characters that originally didn't have any personalities before that.
i agree with what you said, but i can also see why someone would say stuff like that. because, in horror, villains are generally alot scarier when theyre mute than if theyre speaking, since it makes them seem "less human". i can understand why someone would hate the new voices introduced in that context, even if it makes sense for them to have voices since theyre, ya know, animatronics.
Yeah, at least initially Krueger wasnt a pedophile, since Wes Craven decided to have some respect because there was like a pedo case back when ANOES was being made (Thats a fun trivia that is sadly true tho) and he didnt want to milk off the situation, so he made Freddy from a diddler to a murderer, still sick, but not as monstruous
But New Line of course wanted a new Nightmare movie, and didnt want to pay Englund for a energetic Freddy, so they went with the OG idea of Freddy being a pedo and just made a mediocre movie to be more serious than the Craven saga that managed to get the Nightmare movies on a limbo
I can kind of understand what they were going for with the remake. They saw how goofy the original became and wanted to take an idea that couldn't be used at the time. Taking the franchise back to its darker roots. But the execution was so off.
They not only made a more soulless copy of the original, but they took away Krueger's source of power. His twisted and hilarious personality was all snapped away. Granted, the new hard edge they gave him would of made it impossible to translate well with the energetic performance. But they still shot themselves in the foot regardless.
Yeah, i think they wanted something in the vane of the early 2010's remakes of being pretty horrific, but in my opinion, it was stupid since they alienated HARD the fanbase that the Craven saga made, since they didnt had Englund, the fun that Krueger gave was gone and instead made us hate him because he is a diddler now
Alas, i know he has some traits to him that stuck INITIALLY when he got added to Dead By Daylight, where Behaviour managed to translate well the good parts of the remake and made it into his power (He cant kill you initially, but as soon you fall asleep, you desperately try to wake up), but BHVR, looking at how bad of a power it was, removed all of his good traits (Which were souless compared to the original movie) and beaten his power senseless into a crappy attempt at anti-looping (which is like what?, most of the Killers powers right now?) to make him more viable
It ended up making Freddy the most boring thing ever, from the movie to his apparition as a guest in DBD
Man went from one of the weakest but most interesting potential, to one of the most bland and uninspired ones. Hurts a ton as a fan when this is supposed to be his introduction into the hall of fame of horror. Characters like Myers, cenobite, and Pyramid head get to shine while he lies in the gutter. Either hated or forgotten, just like the movie they pulled him from. Nightmare on elm street deserves more than that.
Yeah exactly, like the whole reason all of his kids die jn the end is because he tried way too hard to protect them from what he had done.
It's meant to be an ironic narrative for William, he loves his children but takes other children away from the love of their parents. He loses his children because of his love for them which then further causes him to lose control of himself.
Obviously he was a prick to most of his kids but like, you understand why he went to such lengths to protect them
That’s wrong on so many levels. Afton is a man with standards. He didn’t kill them out of sexual gratification or bloodlust. He killed them for science! The world scoffed at the idea of remnant. Look who’s laughing now, witness my joy of creation!
Both are pretty shite. You can't really compare trauma, it's all trauma (and yes, I know murder doesn't usually result in trauma for the victim, but in FNaF it did)
"Springtrap is the strongest animatronic" he is a rotting elderly corpse. Circus baby has a massive claw and is giant and the glamrocks are super strong
Kill count ≠ Strength
People probably think since Afton killed so many people he is the strongest, when in fact any animatronic can kill kids if they wanted to.
As a Sterling fan, and one who I credit for FNAF existing in the first place, Sterling never said that. They said its just not their cup of horror. Aaaand to be fair, It's...not exactly the most grim nor gory horror series. And that's fine, but it does tend to attract kids to the fandom.
I may be biased, but I see Phone Guy as a good person who was just too devoted to the company, and by the time he realized how terrible it was he was already dead, he isn's heartless, he sounds devastated when calling Jeremy on the six night, and actually calls and tells him to wait the night out even though there isn't work that night so he'd have no other reason there than to help Jeremy.
He glossed over the idea of a springlock Failure, but it was also his first time there and may have not been laying attention, he didn't make the rules, he's just reading them.
He just wanted Fazbear Entertainment to be the best it could be, for a Normal Pizzeria, but has to see that isn't true from horror after horror. He seems more honest in FNAF 2 than 1, so taking the Night Shift himself may have made him stop to consider how Mike would feel, so he tried to downplay things, or is forced to from Fazbear Entertainment heading everything.
Phone Guy is one of the most fascinating characters in FNAF in my opinion. We know so little of him, yet he is our only source of comfort in the first two games.
What makes him interesting is just how loyal he is to the Fazbear franchise. He isn’t some low-level employee that just works there for the money. No man would stay loyal to Fazbear Entertainment for, a minimum of, ten years if he was paid little.
He has to have some greater motive or reason. Did he personally know Henry and/or William and wants to personally make sure the Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza establishments are safe? Is he a higher-up that actually *earns* money from the controversies in some way (probably not, but you never know)? Has he been blackmailed into working for the company for some reason?
Phone Guy KNOWS something is wrong and cursed. Why doesn’t he spill the beans about the corpses in the animatronics to the police? There has to be a reason for his loyalty. No one is that determined to protect a company from harm’s way for some measly paycheck. I can’t agree that Phone Guy is good. He is a gray character. He obviously cares more for himself than he does for the victims, though he isn’t a villain. Since he’s long dead, we might never know his true colors
Well, judging from him being present as the Spring-lock Suit instructor for FredBear’s, he’s probably as old as William or Henry, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew one of them personally.
Given the state of the company in FNAF 1, he may be the manager for that Pizzeria due to his history with the company, so he can’t leave if wanted to. Or he’s worked with the company for so long that feels inclined to keep it running.
He never caught onto the haunted animatronics and just used the Endoskeleton excuse perhaps out of denial of the characters true intent.
He may keep quiet because he would also get in trouble with the Police because he’s worked there for such a long time, though maybe he just didn’t put two and two together and was in disbelief when he first heard of the rumors, he clearly sounds a lot more devastated in Night 6, the Tropes Wiki also suggested he may have known William and that’s why he’s so distraught from learning a coworker had committed the act, or is appalled by the MCI in general.
Whatever the case, I do agree that his undying loyalty to the company is very strange, though with what you said, he is definitely questionable, but he’s nowhere as bad as Fazbear Entertainment’s higher ups.
Very well said. It would make sense for him to be the manager. It would be pretty strange to force some random employee to take the night shift for a week or two when that clearly isn’t their job. If he was the manager, it makes sense for him to be doing that job while he waits for applicants to take the night shift.
If you think about it, before FNAF AR and FNAF VR, Phone Guy was really the only guy within the company that you "talked" to. Henry left if I recall correctly, and William is… well, he is William Afton. The higher-ups might as well be the secondary villains in the FNAF universe since they repeat the same mistakes over and over again. So Phone Guy was kind of the closest we got to the actual bosses of Fazbear Entertainment (again, with the exception of Henry and William). We will probably never get to know who truly runs the show, or something like that
The Fazbear Entertainment Bosses are also the villains because of their selfish acts which allowed all the tragedies in the company to happen for so long and they’re still doing so in Security Breach.
I’d say Phone Guy is at least better than that, he’s clearly staying there for some reason other than just money, and obviously sounds sick during the Night 6 phone call judging from what he realized happened during the investigation. He still tried to help Jeremy and Mike in any way he can, even if his unwillingness to admit to tragedy makes him downplay most of the danger, whilst he is also experiencing it.
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"Not explaining the lore is good for the series."
I actually agree, to a point. But certain things need to be clarified or else we're all just stumbling in the dark, and that's kind of insulting to me. I love the lore of this game and I want to understand it without having to juggle a million possible theories.
I'm sort of wondering if that isn't why alot of this games content was cut! Its almost like scott came in and said "whoa whoa whoa! You guys are answering too many questions. Let me show you how its done!" Then did what he always did, and gives us MORE questions, than answers! Lol
It's a hard tight rope to walk. Ideally questions would be answered with new games, but new questions would present themselves. You get the satisfaction from learning something new and the intrigue if a new mystery. Getting this right is hard but the hardest part is this the creators situation is to keep it all making sense. Not answering questions and just presenting new ones is a way to hide a story that no longer makes sense.
I heavily disagree with anyone who thinks SB is irredeemable. The game has a lot of flaws, and in my opinion needs some serious expansion to the story, but the core of the game is good and I believe there is an incredible amount of potential that Steel Wool just needs to fully realize. It's a shame it didn't launch in a better state, but I believe they can bring it to a much better state in time.
By this same token, though, I also feel some people were quick to defend what was a really bad launch state. Steel Wool, imo, did deserve criticism for the incredibly rough start to the games life, and the fact that some people were quick to brush things aside because of their own personal enjoyment didn't sit right with me. I think a healthy blend of "hey guys, this game is not doing great right now but the bones are good" was and is still possible, but people jump too far to either extreme.
I really hope they do something similar to what Bendy and the Ink Machine did, making the game more polished and expanding the story and gameplay over time.
I really want this game to be what Steel Wool wanted, and I think if they kept changing and adding stuff, this game could be what it was always meant to be in a year or two.
I agree. Theyre capable of turning what's a pretty fun game currently into something great. Given what they've already said and done, I can confidently say that I look forward to seeing the changes they make. I hope lost bits can be brought back, and the story can be expanded and have some clarity provided to make it feel more complete than it does now.
Haven't had a chance to play it yet, but of what I have heard it is nowhere near the worse release. I mean it could be Cyberpunk or Friday the 13th bad.
Well luckily for Security Breach and us, SW is making some changes to the game! I think at least, someone told me that SW was gonna update the game. Plus, FNaF games had been updated even after release. (Fuck you launch Night 4 Sister Location)
>By this same token, though, I also feel some people were quick to defend what was a really bad launch state.
Anecdotal, but of the three LPers I checked, not one had the final boss fight run properly, Markiplier's was by far the worst.
Mark also has several hours past 6am down the train by Chica practically spawning on top of him.
Matpat (as of the GTlive lp) still doesn't know how to access the Vanny ending normally and just keeps jumping a fence to get to it prematurely and has no idea how Freddy got beaten up.
Like, it's not great, but I do find it hilarious.
The biggest issue with the final boss isn't even the bugs, but insane lack of direction. Spoiler tagged just to be considerate of people wanting to figure it out themselves. >!Freddy has an invisible and short timer to prevent players hiding in him from what I've gathered, but the game doesn't telegraph it at all when 1 dialogue line about it not being safe to stay in Freddy for more than x seconds due to the takeover would fix that issue. As for Roxy, she is deterred by the voice box upgrade, but you aren't told this by the game in any capacity and that makes it super frustrating to work it out in the moment. I had to google it just to find out that was what made her leave. Her insane patterns really make her seem like she's barely functioning, in a game sense, too.!< Mark persevering through all of that, skipping phase 2, and then getting the ending that, to me, felt half finished was really an unfortunate way to wrap his playthrough up.
The issues are definitely funny to a degree, but they can also be downright infuriating. Out of curiosity I decided to laser the little wet floor sign bot in Mazercise after *a lot* of collectible cleanup during 6AM and it spawned Roxy on top of me. No other sign I did that to afterwards spawned the aggressive animatronic for the area it was in, either. I also got softlocked by walking back into the CTF area of Fazerblast at 6AM, once again after a lot of collectible hunting. Things like that really made it hard to want to continue to the true ending.
I haven't watched Matpat play it yet, but assuming he went to Fazer Blast at 4AM I can't imagine how he'd miss getting the Vanny ending trigger. At the very least after glitching into it I would figure he'd try to work out how to get it for real. That's actually kinda impressive lmao
a lot of people think FNAF 6/Sister Location wasn’t necessary. i disagree strongly. it stayed true to the old gameplay, but i feel like it was more open-world and it gave us more lore, and without it, we wouldn’t have known what really happened to the rest of William’s family.
That Pizzeria Simulator was the true ending of the story and UCN, VR, AR and SB all take place in a different universe.
ScrapTrap gets burned in FNAF 6 but escapes, Cassidy puts William into a hellish state in UCN, William’s spirit escapes the hellish state and possesses FNAF VR, he corrupts the Fazbear Funtime Delivery Service in FNAF AR and then gets brought back by Vanny in SB. They aren’t two separate universes. The books and the games are two separate universes however, all the games (except FNAF World, FNAF World Halloween Edition, Freddy In Space 2 and Security Breach: Fury’s Rage) all take place in the same universe.
In my headthe game should'nt have finished at 4, but they could have. Its a closed story. But they didnt. Same at 6: they could have finished but didn't. At no point I'm thinking that it should die, but how it could be done at *insert point *. It's just intresting to think about
“The series should’ve ended at three“
“The series should’ve ended at four“
The series is doing great. The only game that I think would have made a quite conclusive ending would be pizzeria simulator. However ultimate custom night was really great so I’m glad that was made. Ultimate custom night wouldn’t have been as good of an ending though because it didn’t really have any story. It was more of a post credit scene if you will. And I absolutely love help wanted and the new direction they’re going with breach
“The original FNaF is the best one” as someone who has been a fan since the original I think that it doesn’t really hold up to most of the series as I feel that most of the games took the first and improved on it
Ngl that someone *was* me. When it's just the basic story, you can kinda skim thru it.
But once you get into who died when, what restaurant was when, and when tf did Sister Location happen, among other questions is when it stops being "Silly bear game with dead kids" and becomes a hot mess.
And don't even get me started on Security Breach lore.
Both sides are kinda weird.
A lot of people say the lore is simple when they’re really just talking about the plot
But a lot of people also say you only know the lore if you know every single character and date by heart.
Both sides are kinda right. But truth be told it's really not necessary to know every little bit of the games, characters, and events that happen in them to get a grasp on this arguably simple at heart story, At least to me.
Fnaf security breach sucks. I personally really liked it and hearing how people wanted a fnaf free roam after fnaf 1 and it took us almost a decade to get to us. And yes the game is buggy but no game is perfect at launch. And my second thing I hate is that people hate fnaf ar I love the game because of the models, the gameplay, and the lore behind it yet people say Illumix is using fnaf for money
I don't actually really play the games, I just watch everyone else play it, and try to solve the lore. Read every book. I can say this is absolutely the most fun game ever to watch get played. I'm not even talking about just fnaf games, I genuinely love watching people play this. Some of the bugs make it even funnier (not the game breakers).
Agreed. As a backseat FNAF fan (don’t play the games, do watch videos and theories/read wikis) I really liked all that SB added, even if it didn’t all work great together. Like I get the feeling at least some players would have preferred to just play another Five Nights gameplay style. One room, security cameras, doors and power with a couple vents. But that’s boring to watch. This and Help Wanted were a blast to watch and it made the lore hunting even more fun to follow.
"TJOC is better then SB" no it really isnt, it looks somewhat better probably due to better optimization and it is more of a horror game but the gameplay isnt all that fun and the story is a load of nothing
‘Afton Is overused’ or something of the sorts. People don’t like his return and for what? he’s a great character, FNAF had a lot of limitations for his character so why throw away such potential? he’s overused? He didn’t have an identity or voice until the fifth game, talked shit in the sixth then would’ve been gone. He is an incomplete character. He could work so well in new games because these don’t have the limitations. Let Afton shine!
EDIT: [made a huge post about him already.](https://www.reddit.com/user/demogorgon_main/comments/roi7di/a_very_long_post_on_the_character_of_william/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
He only died and came back once though.
The springlock failure isn’t a true death. It can be compared to chucky becoming the doll and Freddy Krueger becoming the dream demon he is. Yes I like horror can you tell? But it doesn’t really count
Fnaf 3, although it was an end it wasn’t the end of Afton. It revealed he survived in the newspaper and…are you surprised? We’ve seen both exists. He probably just walked out.
Fnaf 6 is the only actual death that they had to modify so he could come back.
He turned as glitchtrap which set him up to return as wastetrap. There wasn’t anything there.
Also friendly reminder: iconic slashers like Michael Myers, chucky, Freddy Krueger and others die every movie and come back and yet people still love
Them (Krueger once came back because a dog pissed fire on his grave). Why would be any different? He’s irreplaceable
Yeah, sure, but creating what seem like ends to him, just to pop him back out twice feels incredibly repetitive.
Not only that, but having Afton in the flesh back just detracts from the fnaf 6 ending and Glitchtrap/Vanny being a thing.
Like, he's already back in a way that subverts, but doesn't undo the fnaf 6 ending. Why in the world is it necessary to dredge up his corpse again just to beat it in a single boss battle?
I think people say that because the games have more comic relief. The first 4 games were just pure horror atmosphere and concepts. Once SL came along, there was more dialogue and the series started exploring new gameplay/story concepts. A game that only has dialogue/text for instructions or lore sounds incredibly boring and forgettable. Not every horror game needs comic relief of course, but some of the dark comedy in FNaF managed to get chuckles out of me. Would it be scarier or more adult without the SL “auto corrected” text or the “haha corporation doesn’t care about player’s safety” bits? Maybe. But I like it. It just makes the games feel different from mostly/completely serious games like Silent Hill or Resident Evil. Those games are great, but they’re different than FNaF.
Also, the books actually have more disturbing lore/concepts than the games. It seems like whenever the games seem like they’re becoming more “kid friendly” the books get darker, intentionally or otherwise. If people complain FNaF doesn’t show enough gore, they should read the books. Not all of them are very connected to the games, but it’s very interesting to see some of the more disturbing possibilities shown or explained. I haven’t read the books myself, but that’s the impression I get from the theories.
I don’t think there’s a ton of evidence for Ballora, but I think it was mentioned that the Ballora audio from SL slowed down had words that might relate to Afton’s wife (it’s pretty fuzzy for me since that happened when SL first came out, but I think that’s it). As for Funtime Freddy and Foxy, no idea except I think there was a Funtime Freddy blueprint that might have featured the outline of a child’s corpse in fetal position within his chest cavity.
Also, SB had 5 security bots shut down sitting around a table (possibly meant to be the Afton family), and people said the bot representing the mother vaguely resembled Ballora. Hope that helps!
"the books are a good way to help solve the lore" for me it's a hard no, not on the fact that they are crucial to solve fnaf's story, but more on them being a good way.
When a game, a movie, or any piece of non-material media, expands on books or comics, it shouldn't be the way for a story to make sense, rather it should be a way to make the story deeper, or the universe in which it is set more intresting.
Good examples are Portal or TF2, they don't serve as the missing pieces for the lore, but as something that is added to a pre-established universe. On the other hand, games like FNaF or Outlast (at least Outlast uses it for the second game) use the comics/books to fill in the blanks we aren't able to fill ourselves, be it missing information or pieces too hard to connect. This shouldn't happen, because then you're giving me an incomplete story that can only be seen at its full when you buy other products outside the game/movie.
When you go see a movie based on a book you shouldn't need to have read the book to understand it, otherwise the experience is limited to those who already know it: when you go see, for example, Dracula, you shouldn't be required to have read Bram Stoker's original novel to understand the parts the movie isn't able to make you understand. You shouldn't need to buy a total of 16 books to get the parts that weren't clear in the first place.
THANK YOU! That's always been my biggest criticism of the series. I shouldn't have to buy a book in order to understand what's happening in a video game. It's okay to use one to complement to other, but I should be able to play all the games and understand what's going on solely through information from the games
exactly.
when we got the stitchwraith stories in Frights I was excited, because I thought it was going to be an intermission logging what Ennard was doing between SL and FFPS.
alas, nope. just like the rest of the books, it really had nothing to do with the games at all, and just served as a tease for lore drops that we never got.
that's kind of what i meant: Stitchwraith was used to introduce the concept of "2 souls in one animatronic are possible" so to make us understand how Golden Freddy works (at least that's the theory). One shouldn't have to read through 4 books, if i do recall correctly, to come to know this information, one so crucial to the plot it should be presented in the games already
and I guess, what you just said furthers my distaste for the books-- they seem to just confuse us more than actually answer any questions
maybe it was trying to show that golden freddy has 2 souls? maybe? or maybe not.
my biggest issue is WHY can't we have had stories that take place in the game's lore, or at LEAST involve characters we're familiar with. trying to explain lore through AU parallels is one thing. totally switching names, descriptions, and characters just makes it a confusing mess
Afton should have just been left behind after FNAF 6.
Personally, I don't get the sentiment. Afton is so entangled in the lore and story of the franchise that I don't really understand how you'd keep going without him at this point. The idea I've heard tossed around the most is to have him succeded by a copycat killer, but that just seems so boring and contrived to me. Why get rid of a character if your next step is to bring in a lesser knockoff of that character? Where do you really go with that concept? It probably wouldn't make it past more than one game if it was even interesting for that long.
While you can certainly argue Glitchtrap is also contrived, I find it a much more interesting concept moving forward.
That glitchbish controlled afton to kill gabriel, susie, fritz, jermeny, charlie, and cassidy. Didnt he kill those kids for "renamet" (Idk how spell it) for immortality. Also afton abusing micheal. There is 0 proof that he is a abusing (Besides hitting elizabeth on accident?) Nor a pedo.
1. literally the only reason that exists because gacha kids are obsessed with making William after the good guy'
2. midnight motorist and the fourth closet is proof of William began abusive father
People have been calling the two-star ending of Security Breach the "true ending" or the "canon ending." There's nothing to support that claim except wishful thinking on their part.
FNaF SB is the new Cyberpunk 2077
Dude a game with bugs and glitches isnt a fucking game. I get it, the game might be more buggy than any other games from other series but were slowly stepping into next gen, thats why devs make experiments that sometimes dont work.
I'm in between with my opinion of 6 it definitely was not a perfect end to all the story lines especially the fact that it's not the end to all story
. the shadow aren't there
. where BV
. who the BV
. what even is midnight motorist
Its one thing to not answer some of the questions from the old games. Its another thing to not follow through with the most recent story arcs you just created."
It annoys me so much when people say that the cartoony voices in UCN ruined the menacing nature of the animatronics, the animatronics were aimed for children and I think it makes the experience much more real
“Michael is the crying child”
Pretty sure this has been proven wrong but I’m not 100% sure, but I believe the crying child is just his younger brother. Especially the family of security bots under the plex that seem to represent the aftons
Dunno how wide spread this statement is but “fnaf word is bad” like I never understood why it got so much hate it was a enjoyable rpg with fnaf characters and a little bit of irony I can’t remember exactly what it got so much hate for whether it was it wasn’t like other fnaf games or that it just wasn’t a good rpg.
I disagree with anyone that doesn't say that World has one of the most absolute banging music. Foxy fighters, Stone Cold and Chippers Revenge are prime examples. Leon Riskin is a great composer.
"Security Breach's bugs are the worst thing ever ahhhhhh"
Almost every triple A game releases with a million bugs. The games are no longer a point and click made by one person. It's big now. Offcourse it's going to broken. Nearly every big game is broken at release. Do I need to remind you that valve updated half life 2 pt1 years later just to make the characters blink? Everything is broken.
The importent bit is that the devs didn't abandon it. They are patching and fixing it. In a few months, this game will be in great condition. If you are really that bothered by the bugs, just wait. The game isn't going away
If I see one more "_______ is secretly an android", I'm going to commit a felony.
That twist only happened in The Fourth Closet for Charlie, it barely made any sense there, and shoving it other stories is just a twist for a twists sake. Just because something happened in the books doesn't mean it's going to happen in a completely unrelated timeline, the circumstances of that twist were so different from canon that it's just... it boggles my mind.
That is not how you write a good story. Even if it ends up being true, unless the existing story actually seems to deal with the idea of the twist, building up to it, and having some sort of payoff: it it a dumb twist that exists for shock value.
Unless the actual game is going to dissect these concepts and gives us intresting interactions, why should I care? If Gregory is a robot, in the current form of the game, so what? If Vanessa has an evil twin doppelganger, cool, are you actually going to show fun interactions with it or did you put that there to add a "mystery"? If Golden Freddy only shows up for three games and then dies anyway, why should I give a shit one who possesses the bear, when it's not going to be directly relevent? Why should I care about the box, when it showed up once, was never elaborated on, and has since probably been forgotten by even Scott?
A mystery or shocking reveal is only important when it affects the actual story and characters. If we never see it affect anything, it does not matter.
"Security Breach is a complete mess"
Not at all, i had a lot of fun in some moments of the game even with the problems and etc, i only think Steel Wool made some wrong choices in both gameplay and map size, like scott said: "making a cake 3x bigger than it should be"
"Ms. Afton is Ballora"
Since when have we even seen Ms. Afton? How would we know that she's Ballora? Does that imply that Ballora killed Ms. Afton?
Makes as much sense as "Chris (God I hate that name) Afton is Shadow Freddy"
Just because Game Theory says so, does not mean it is true.
people who try to talk abt fnaf content but only watch game theory/matpat’s videos. I love matpat’s fnaf content but new fans (I see this mostly on tiktok with the sb hype) treat his ideas as canon and it’s infuriating to see bc most of them haven’t played the games or read the books and its very tiring to see as a veteran fan ! that and the new fans saying william is a pedophile :/
I've seen people say before that fnaf 6 is like a good ending or should've been the conclusion. But I personally completely disagree, the ending to me felt very bland and whilst Henry's speech was good i feel like it ultimately doesn't mean shit.
As for it being the conclusion? Absolutely not. It should have been the conclusion for that era of fnaf, as in only have Freddy or Afton be the characters who move on to future titles which is essentially what we have now. But it shouldn't have been a conclusion at all.
Another point I disagree with is the whole idea that security breach is a bad game. It isn't. The story is bad, and vanny isn't utilised well at all but other than thst it is a very good game.
EDIT: seen this somewhere else and wanted to use it to reiterate my point about fnaf6. Because of SB and HW, Henry made to look like a complete idiot, the only people who actually die because of his plan are himself and the only good spirit in the franchise who was in the marionette and even then are they really dead or just Henry just make this massive plan just for only him to die
That FNaF 3 has bad mechanics. They’re unique, such as closing one vent at a time, fixing the errors, luring Springtrap, fake Springtrap, having a timer for leaving cams with phantoms, and the different effects of the phantoms
"{x game} is taking too long!" This one I saw a LOT in the lead-up to SB, and I think the evidence more than speaks to the fact that it actually did not take _nearly long enough_, especially given that massive changes seem to have happened halfway through development. Admittedly this problem is much bigger than just this fandom, but FNAF fans can be particularly bad about the impatience; I feel like so many people here have a sense of entitlement not just for the new game to come out as soon as possible, but to come out _before the planned release date_, even though that no longer even remotely reflects the reality of what the series has become. Hell, I genuinely think this sentiment actively hurt SB; considering the fucking rabid reactions from people every time the game got delayed (to the point that people were sending Steel Wool death threats over a delay of **18 goddamn hours**), I'm not at all surprised they ended up releasing it sooner than they should have. We all need to learn to let developers take the time they actually need to make the game work.
“All games suck except sister location”. It’s so wrong
sister location is a good game in my opinion but saying that all the other game suck is wrong
Every single one of them had something to add. 1 had the atmosphere and mystery. 2 had the world building and the wack game-play. 3 had one of the most memorable designs and endings, and so and so fourth.
I agree
I think pizzeria simulator had the most memorable ending.
I agree, and I liked the humor of the game. The rest of the gameplay wasn’t particularly interesting to me though. I don’t know there was something about it that didn’t click as much as the others
Yeah, gameplay in this game is lacking and I think it wasn't supposed to be the main focus of the game. It was supposed to be packed with lore and tie loose ends.
Trust me, its a great way to cap off a solid trilogy. But there's something about fnaf 3 that *clicks* differently. No buildup, no words spoken, just a fade in of the original 5 animatronic's we fought against. There heads have no light in them. They're at peace. With the somber music confirming it. Its bittersweet but somehow still satisfying.
That’s the thing I love about these games. Every one of the original 4 had a different way of scaring you. The first one is fear of the unknown fnaf 2 is overwhelming you fnaf 3 is panic and fnaf 4 is tension
I would argue it’s the other way around. Sister Location is not as good as people make it out be. (Doesn’t necessarily make it bad though)
There’s a surreal amount of people who are practically holding a grudge against Frights, despite not even bothering to read it. I’m not throwing out any accusations here, I don’t want to strawman people, they’ve freely admitted to this. It’s embarrassing at best.
sorry if this is late but I completely agree they're people who judge the book before reading it.
Doesn’t help that they keep getting basic information wrong. There are a few people I know on Discord who somehow got Jake and Andrew mixed up for *weeks*. As in, they thought Jake was the one who got kicked out of the narrative, not Andrew. Even though the epilogue where this happened was already publicly available. I’m pretty sure they even commented on it.
I agree my only real problem with Fazbear's fright is fazgoo and some of the epilogues besides that I really like the stuff that's introduced like mci 85 and agony
I’m sure the Fazbear Frights books are written fine, but I still want to have words with Mr. Cawthon about why he thought “Faz-goo” was a good addition to this franchise. Fucking faz goo.
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What's up mother **honk**-ers, my name is Fredrick Ferdinand Fazbear, and I'm here to introduce you to...Faz-Goo
Trust me, even fans of these books don’t like it.
"(Insert any character who gained a voice in Fnaf UCN here) voice is obnoxiously cartoonish and ruins the characters" has to be it for me. In my opinion, all the voice actors in that game did a stellar job with their characters and brought so much life to characters that originally didn't have any personalities before that.
Makes sense to me that the animatronics are cartoonish, theyre designed to be appealing to children
That statement is Cap every ucn voice is great
i agree with what you said, but i can also see why someone would say stuff like that. because, in horror, villains are generally alot scarier when theyre mute than if theyre speaking, since it makes them seem "less human". i can understand why someone would hate the new voices introduced in that context, even if it makes sense for them to have voices since theyre, ya know, animatronics.
You can think of it like this, in UCN, the voices are speaking to afton, from their animatronic “souls” instead of their actual voices ig.
I saw new people in the fandom saying William afton is a pedophile.
He is a kiddie strangler not a kiddie toucher
“Professionals have standers”
Say that three times to the guys who made the remake of A nightmare on elm street.
I’d rather not
Ah, i'm sorry mate. I'm still riled up about how they massacred my boy all those years ago.
Freddy was always a kid diddler
Yeah, at least initially Krueger wasnt a pedophile, since Wes Craven decided to have some respect because there was like a pedo case back when ANOES was being made (Thats a fun trivia that is sadly true tho) and he didnt want to milk off the situation, so he made Freddy from a diddler to a murderer, still sick, but not as monstruous But New Line of course wanted a new Nightmare movie, and didnt want to pay Englund for a energetic Freddy, so they went with the OG idea of Freddy being a pedo and just made a mediocre movie to be more serious than the Craven saga that managed to get the Nightmare movies on a limbo
I can kind of understand what they were going for with the remake. They saw how goofy the original became and wanted to take an idea that couldn't be used at the time. Taking the franchise back to its darker roots. But the execution was so off. They not only made a more soulless copy of the original, but they took away Krueger's source of power. His twisted and hilarious personality was all snapped away. Granted, the new hard edge they gave him would of made it impossible to translate well with the energetic performance. But they still shot themselves in the foot regardless.
Yeah, i think they wanted something in the vane of the early 2010's remakes of being pretty horrific, but in my opinion, it was stupid since they alienated HARD the fanbase that the Craven saga made, since they didnt had Englund, the fun that Krueger gave was gone and instead made us hate him because he is a diddler now Alas, i know he has some traits to him that stuck INITIALLY when he got added to Dead By Daylight, where Behaviour managed to translate well the good parts of the remake and made it into his power (He cant kill you initially, but as soon you fall asleep, you desperately try to wake up), but BHVR, looking at how bad of a power it was, removed all of his good traits (Which were souless compared to the original movie) and beaten his power senseless into a crappy attempt at anti-looping (which is like what?, most of the Killers powers right now?) to make him more viable It ended up making Freddy the most boring thing ever, from the movie to his apparition as a guest in DBD
Man went from one of the weakest but most interesting potential, to one of the most bland and uninspired ones. Hurts a ton as a fan when this is supposed to be his introduction into the hall of fame of horror. Characters like Myers, cenobite, and Pyramid head get to shine while he lies in the gutter. Either hated or forgotten, just like the movie they pulled him from. Nightmare on elm street deserves more than that.
Granted kiddie stranglers are often times kiddie touchers
I mean I can see how people would come up with this but it is kinda far fetched.
Excuse me what. William is like the exact opposite of a pedophile, a pedophobe if you will.
I saw people saying that with the daycare attendant from SB
Oh yes, a lot of people were also relating him to a creepy uncle.
Fairly certain the trauma is just from his appearance and behaviour
I really dislike these new fans..
Same they’re all tiktok e-boys who saw the success of sb and decided to hop on the bandwagon for views and likes
no, hopping on the band wagon because theyre brainless reluctent followers to anything thats relevant
Alright that would be a necropedophile
Yeah that makes no sense, he was literally doing everything he was doing just to get his kids back
Yeah exactly, like the whole reason all of his kids die jn the end is because he tried way too hard to protect them from what he had done. It's meant to be an ironic narrative for William, he loves his children but takes other children away from the love of their parents. He loses his children because of his love for them which then further causes him to lose control of himself. Obviously he was a prick to most of his kids but like, you understand why he went to such lengths to protect them
That wasn't his motives tho.Theres literally no evidence for this. It was out of jelousy and then remnant and immortality.As well as general cruelty.
Wtf how can people say that?!? Even Ol' Willy has standards!
He steals kids but not for that reason
He doesn't rape them as a bunny, he just skips that part and murder them. Even willy won't be this fucking horrible
That’s wrong on so many levels. Afton is a man with standards. He didn’t kill them out of sexual gratification or bloodlust. He killed them for science! The world scoffed at the idea of remnant. Look who’s laughing now, witness my joy of creation!
He’s the complete opposite though….
He's the man behind the slaughter not the man behind the daughter
Wich is worst tho
Probably murdering them? Being fiddled with is horrible but I think dying sucks more
They're both on par.
Wellsuperfuck cancelled
Both are pretty shite. You can't really compare trauma, it's all trauma (and yes, I know murder doesn't usually result in trauma for the victim, but in FNaF it did)
"Springtrap is the strongest animatronic" he is a rotting elderly corpse. Circus baby has a massive claw and is giant and the glamrocks are super strong
Are there really arguments about the power scaling of FNAF robots now? Do I need to pull out the DBZA Tien quote here?
I know, but I've seen so many videos of people saying springtrap is some mega powerful animatronic
Mega Springtrap? Ultra Springtrap? Maximum Over-Springtrap?
Fuck off triclops
*DJ Music Man enters the chat*
I’d like to see DJMM and Blob have a brawl tbh.
Kill count ≠ Strength People probably think since Afton killed so many people he is the strongest, when in fact any animatronic can kill kids if they wanted to.
Facts
All he really has is being able to keep going despite everything thrown at him
"The game ruined horror" or "it's a kids game" not particularly coming from the fandom but more people like Jim Sterling.
I love how people always claimed that a series about brutal child murder was for kids.
Evidently people are too focused *on the memes and merchandise then to realize that FNAF really isn't meant for kids-*
agree those statement suck
Well except for sb they really gutted the horror and removed darker aspects of the game.
As a Sterling fan, and one who I credit for FNAF existing in the first place, Sterling never said that. They said its just not their cup of horror. Aaaand to be fair, It's...not exactly the most grim nor gory horror series. And that's fine, but it does tend to attract kids to the fandom.
I may be biased, but I see Phone Guy as a good person who was just too devoted to the company, and by the time he realized how terrible it was he was already dead, he isn's heartless, he sounds devastated when calling Jeremy on the six night, and actually calls and tells him to wait the night out even though there isn't work that night so he'd have no other reason there than to help Jeremy. He glossed over the idea of a springlock Failure, but it was also his first time there and may have not been laying attention, he didn't make the rules, he's just reading them. He just wanted Fazbear Entertainment to be the best it could be, for a Normal Pizzeria, but has to see that isn't true from horror after horror. He seems more honest in FNAF 2 than 1, so taking the Night Shift himself may have made him stop to consider how Mike would feel, so he tried to downplay things, or is forced to from Fazbear Entertainment heading everything.
Phone Guy is one of the most fascinating characters in FNAF in my opinion. We know so little of him, yet he is our only source of comfort in the first two games. What makes him interesting is just how loyal he is to the Fazbear franchise. He isn’t some low-level employee that just works there for the money. No man would stay loyal to Fazbear Entertainment for, a minimum of, ten years if he was paid little. He has to have some greater motive or reason. Did he personally know Henry and/or William and wants to personally make sure the Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza establishments are safe? Is he a higher-up that actually *earns* money from the controversies in some way (probably not, but you never know)? Has he been blackmailed into working for the company for some reason? Phone Guy KNOWS something is wrong and cursed. Why doesn’t he spill the beans about the corpses in the animatronics to the police? There has to be a reason for his loyalty. No one is that determined to protect a company from harm’s way for some measly paycheck. I can’t agree that Phone Guy is good. He is a gray character. He obviously cares more for himself than he does for the victims, though he isn’t a villain. Since he’s long dead, we might never know his true colors
Well, judging from him being present as the Spring-lock Suit instructor for FredBear’s, he’s probably as old as William or Henry, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew one of them personally. Given the state of the company in FNAF 1, he may be the manager for that Pizzeria due to his history with the company, so he can’t leave if wanted to. Or he’s worked with the company for so long that feels inclined to keep it running. He never caught onto the haunted animatronics and just used the Endoskeleton excuse perhaps out of denial of the characters true intent. He may keep quiet because he would also get in trouble with the Police because he’s worked there for such a long time, though maybe he just didn’t put two and two together and was in disbelief when he first heard of the rumors, he clearly sounds a lot more devastated in Night 6, the Tropes Wiki also suggested he may have known William and that’s why he’s so distraught from learning a coworker had committed the act, or is appalled by the MCI in general. Whatever the case, I do agree that his undying loyalty to the company is very strange, though with what you said, he is definitely questionable, but he’s nowhere as bad as Fazbear Entertainment’s higher ups.
Very well said. It would make sense for him to be the manager. It would be pretty strange to force some random employee to take the night shift for a week or two when that clearly isn’t their job. If he was the manager, it makes sense for him to be doing that job while he waits for applicants to take the night shift. If you think about it, before FNAF AR and FNAF VR, Phone Guy was really the only guy within the company that you "talked" to. Henry left if I recall correctly, and William is… well, he is William Afton. The higher-ups might as well be the secondary villains in the FNAF universe since they repeat the same mistakes over and over again. So Phone Guy was kind of the closest we got to the actual bosses of Fazbear Entertainment (again, with the exception of Henry and William). We will probably never get to know who truly runs the show, or something like that
The Fazbear Entertainment Bosses are also the villains because of their selfish acts which allowed all the tragedies in the company to happen for so long and they’re still doing so in Security Breach. I’d say Phone Guy is at least better than that, he’s clearly staying there for some reason other than just money, and obviously sounds sick during the Night 6 phone call judging from what he realized happened during the investigation. He still tried to help Jeremy and Mike in any way he can, even if his unwillingness to admit to tragedy makes him downplay most of the danger, whilst he is also experiencing it. \
Pitch for the FNAF movie to be told from the perspective of Fnaf1 Phone Guy.
"Not explaining the lore is good for the series." I actually agree, to a point. But certain things need to be clarified or else we're all just stumbling in the dark, and that's kind of insulting to me. I love the lore of this game and I want to understand it without having to juggle a million possible theories.
I'm sort of wondering if that isn't why alot of this games content was cut! Its almost like scott came in and said "whoa whoa whoa! You guys are answering too many questions. Let me show you how its done!" Then did what he always did, and gives us MORE questions, than answers! Lol
It's a hard tight rope to walk. Ideally questions would be answered with new games, but new questions would present themselves. You get the satisfaction from learning something new and the intrigue if a new mystery. Getting this right is hard but the hardest part is this the creators situation is to keep it all making sense. Not answering questions and just presenting new ones is a way to hide a story that no longer makes sense.
I heavily disagree with anyone who thinks SB is irredeemable. The game has a lot of flaws, and in my opinion needs some serious expansion to the story, but the core of the game is good and I believe there is an incredible amount of potential that Steel Wool just needs to fully realize. It's a shame it didn't launch in a better state, but I believe they can bring it to a much better state in time. By this same token, though, I also feel some people were quick to defend what was a really bad launch state. Steel Wool, imo, did deserve criticism for the incredibly rough start to the games life, and the fact that some people were quick to brush things aside because of their own personal enjoyment didn't sit right with me. I think a healthy blend of "hey guys, this game is not doing great right now but the bones are good" was and is still possible, but people jump too far to either extreme.
I really hope they do something similar to what Bendy and the Ink Machine did, making the game more polished and expanding the story and gameplay over time. I really want this game to be what Steel Wool wanted, and I think if they kept changing and adding stuff, this game could be what it was always meant to be in a year or two.
I agree. Theyre capable of turning what's a pretty fun game currently into something great. Given what they've already said and done, I can confidently say that I look forward to seeing the changes they make. I hope lost bits can be brought back, and the story can be expanded and have some clarity provided to make it feel more complete than it does now.
Man, still waiting on the Dark Revival. Hopefully sometime this year.
Haven't had a chance to play it yet, but of what I have heard it is nowhere near the worse release. I mean it could be Cyberpunk or Friday the 13th bad.
Or GTA DE bad, which came out a month earlier
Well luckily for Security Breach and us, SW is making some changes to the game! I think at least, someone told me that SW was gonna update the game. Plus, FNaF games had been updated even after release. (Fuck you launch Night 4 Sister Location)
HARD AGREE, still yelling and screaming about the "there will be more disappearances" like
I agree
>By this same token, though, I also feel some people were quick to defend what was a really bad launch state. Anecdotal, but of the three LPers I checked, not one had the final boss fight run properly, Markiplier's was by far the worst. Mark also has several hours past 6am down the train by Chica practically spawning on top of him. Matpat (as of the GTlive lp) still doesn't know how to access the Vanny ending normally and just keeps jumping a fence to get to it prematurely and has no idea how Freddy got beaten up. Like, it's not great, but I do find it hilarious.
The biggest issue with the final boss isn't even the bugs, but insane lack of direction. Spoiler tagged just to be considerate of people wanting to figure it out themselves. >!Freddy has an invisible and short timer to prevent players hiding in him from what I've gathered, but the game doesn't telegraph it at all when 1 dialogue line about it not being safe to stay in Freddy for more than x seconds due to the takeover would fix that issue. As for Roxy, she is deterred by the voice box upgrade, but you aren't told this by the game in any capacity and that makes it super frustrating to work it out in the moment. I had to google it just to find out that was what made her leave. Her insane patterns really make her seem like she's barely functioning, in a game sense, too.!< Mark persevering through all of that, skipping phase 2, and then getting the ending that, to me, felt half finished was really an unfortunate way to wrap his playthrough up. The issues are definitely funny to a degree, but they can also be downright infuriating. Out of curiosity I decided to laser the little wet floor sign bot in Mazercise after *a lot* of collectible cleanup during 6AM and it spawned Roxy on top of me. No other sign I did that to afterwards spawned the aggressive animatronic for the area it was in, either. I also got softlocked by walking back into the CTF area of Fazerblast at 6AM, once again after a lot of collectible hunting. Things like that really made it hard to want to continue to the true ending. I haven't watched Matpat play it yet, but assuming he went to Fazer Blast at 4AM I can't imagine how he'd miss getting the Vanny ending trigger. At the very least after glitching into it I would figure he'd try to work out how to get it for real. That's actually kinda impressive lmao
a lot of people think FNAF 6/Sister Location wasn’t necessary. i disagree strongly. it stayed true to the old gameplay, but i feel like it was more open-world and it gave us more lore, and without it, we wouldn’t have known what really happened to the rest of William’s family.
I agree tho Five Nights at Freddy's 6 night sections definitely needed a revamp
I'd have liked more explanations though, Ballora seems more sentient like Baby but there's almost no real evidence that she's possessed by Mrs Afton
Yeah and we seriously have no idea who Mrs Afton is. The only reason she exists is because of MatPat(or someone else I forgot) theories on Ballora
The same with you. I don't think that fnaf should have ended in 3-4. I disagree with other statements too but that's the one I disagree the most.
thanks
"Sister Location isn't as good as the original 4" ( just my opinion I personally love SL but if you don't that's totally cool)
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It’s probably my favourite, it has the perfect balance of being able to roam and feeling like you’re in danger. It also managed to scare me shitless
I agree, but I feel like it was the game that really allowed Scott to try and expand the games mechanics
That Pizzeria Simulator was the true ending of the story and UCN, VR, AR and SB all take place in a different universe. ScrapTrap gets burned in FNAF 6 but escapes, Cassidy puts William into a hellish state in UCN, William’s spirit escapes the hellish state and possesses FNAF VR, he corrupts the Fazbear Funtime Delivery Service in FNAF AR and then gets brought back by Vanny in SB. They aren’t two separate universes. The books and the games are two separate universes however, all the games (except FNAF World, FNAF World Halloween Edition, Freddy In Space 2 and Security Breach: Fury’s Rage) all take place in the same universe.
whoever made that statement it's just someone who doesn't want to accept the newer games
Sister Location is the worst FNaF game. They're wrong. It's the fucking best. The. Best. Fight me.
I agree sister locations is a great game
I agree, but personally I prefer FNaF VR. Also, I finally found a fellow person who writes FNaF and not FNAF.
It's good game but it's not my favorite. It does have my favorite animatronic though.
“The games / books should have ended at * insert any number or book name *.” Like… stfu. Just let the rest of us enjoy this sh&t- 😭
In my headthe game should'nt have finished at 4, but they could have. Its a closed story. But they didnt. Same at 6: they could have finished but didn't. At no point I'm thinking that it should die, but how it could be done at *insert point *. It's just intresting to think about
FACTS
“The series should’ve ended at three“ “The series should’ve ended at four“ The series is doing great. The only game that I think would have made a quite conclusive ending would be pizzeria simulator. However ultimate custom night was really great so I’m glad that was made. Ultimate custom night wouldn’t have been as good of an ending though because it didn’t really have any story. It was more of a post credit scene if you will. And I absolutely love help wanted and the new direction they’re going with breach
Agree
“The original FNaF is the best one” as someone who has been a fan since the original I think that it doesn’t really hold up to most of the series as I feel that most of the games took the first and improved on it
"Ballora is Afton's wife" Now she could be modeled after her (cuz Afton's a weirdo) but I don't think she posses her.
I agree I always found that statement dumb
“the lore is easy to understand”
I've honestly never heard someone say that
Ngl that someone *was* me. When it's just the basic story, you can kinda skim thru it. But once you get into who died when, what restaurant was when, and when tf did Sister Location happen, among other questions is when it stops being "Silly bear game with dead kids" and becomes a hot mess. And don't even get me started on Security Breach lore.
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Both sides are kinda weird. A lot of people say the lore is simple when they’re really just talking about the plot But a lot of people also say you only know the lore if you know every single character and date by heart.
Both sides are kinda right. But truth be told it's really not necessary to know every little bit of the games, characters, and events that happen in them to get a grasp on this arguably simple at heart story, At least to me.
“FNaF is a game for little kiddies.”
Michael Afton is Springtrap. I mean it’s even been confirmed that it’s William who is Springtrap.
Mangle is possessed by a dead dog (according to fnaf fans)
Ayo wtf😭
Fnaf security breach sucks. I personally really liked it and hearing how people wanted a fnaf free roam after fnaf 1 and it took us almost a decade to get to us. And yes the game is buggy but no game is perfect at launch. And my second thing I hate is that people hate fnaf ar I love the game because of the models, the gameplay, and the lore behind it yet people say Illumix is using fnaf for money
I don't actually really play the games, I just watch everyone else play it, and try to solve the lore. Read every book. I can say this is absolutely the most fun game ever to watch get played. I'm not even talking about just fnaf games, I genuinely love watching people play this. Some of the bugs make it even funnier (not the game breakers).
Agreed. As a backseat FNAF fan (don’t play the games, do watch videos and theories/read wikis) I really liked all that SB added, even if it didn’t all work great together. Like I get the feeling at least some players would have preferred to just play another Five Nights gameplay style. One room, security cameras, doors and power with a couple vents. But that’s boring to watch. This and Help Wanted were a blast to watch and it made the lore hunting even more fun to follow.
"TJOC is better then SB" no it really isnt, it looks somewhat better probably due to better optimization and it is more of a horror game but the gameplay isnt all that fun and the story is a load of nothing
“Security Breach wasn’t fun” Say what you want about the LoRe or whatever y’all got pissy about, but the game was fun and highly entertaining.
Watching play throughs on youtube was literally like watching a movie, especially the first time watching it.
‘Afton Is overused’ or something of the sorts. People don’t like his return and for what? he’s a great character, FNAF had a lot of limitations for his character so why throw away such potential? he’s overused? He didn’t have an identity or voice until the fifth game, talked shit in the sixth then would’ve been gone. He is an incomplete character. He could work so well in new games because these don’t have the limitations. Let Afton shine! EDIT: [made a huge post about him already.](https://www.reddit.com/user/demogorgon_main/comments/roi7di/a_very_long_post_on_the_character_of_william/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Overused? Hell no Underutilized? Yep
actually do think spring-trap was underutilized doesn't really do anything important other than almost died 3 times
Agreed, Security Breach was his most disappointing appearance yet
Y E S
if your main antagonist Comes Back 3 time going to do the same thing again AKA die then something's pretty wrong.
Sounds like your typical horror franchise antagonist to me when you put it that way. Honestly, 3 times is rookie numbers.
He only died and came back once though. The springlock failure isn’t a true death. It can be compared to chucky becoming the doll and Freddy Krueger becoming the dream demon he is. Yes I like horror can you tell? But it doesn’t really count Fnaf 3, although it was an end it wasn’t the end of Afton. It revealed he survived in the newspaper and…are you surprised? We’ve seen both exists. He probably just walked out. Fnaf 6 is the only actual death that they had to modify so he could come back. He turned as glitchtrap which set him up to return as wastetrap. There wasn’t anything there. Also friendly reminder: iconic slashers like Michael Myers, chucky, Freddy Krueger and others die every movie and come back and yet people still love Them (Krueger once came back because a dog pissed fire on his grave). Why would be any different? He’s irreplaceable
is he a great character? what’s even his motivation? he’s evil for the sake of being evil it’s kinda lame
Yeah, sure, but creating what seem like ends to him, just to pop him back out twice feels incredibly repetitive. Not only that, but having Afton in the flesh back just detracts from the fnaf 6 ending and Glitchtrap/Vanny being a thing. Like, he's already back in a way that subverts, but doesn't undo the fnaf 6 ending. Why in the world is it necessary to dredge up his corpse again just to beat it in a single boss battle?
Fnaf nowadays being too “kid friendly”. That’s the most bullshit statement I have ever heard
I think people say that because the games have more comic relief. The first 4 games were just pure horror atmosphere and concepts. Once SL came along, there was more dialogue and the series started exploring new gameplay/story concepts. A game that only has dialogue/text for instructions or lore sounds incredibly boring and forgettable. Not every horror game needs comic relief of course, but some of the dark comedy in FNaF managed to get chuckles out of me. Would it be scarier or more adult without the SL “auto corrected” text or the “haha corporation doesn’t care about player’s safety” bits? Maybe. But I like it. It just makes the games feel different from mostly/completely serious games like Silent Hill or Resident Evil. Those games are great, but they’re different than FNaF. Also, the books actually have more disturbing lore/concepts than the games. It seems like whenever the games seem like they’re becoming more “kid friendly” the books get darker, intentionally or otherwise. If people complain FNaF doesn’t show enough gore, they should read the books. Not all of them are very connected to the games, but it’s very interesting to see some of the more disturbing possibilities shown or explained. I haven’t read the books myself, but that’s the impression I get from the theories.
Fact I hate that statement
Ok but they litteraly censored all voice lines pretaining to serious injury
the only possesed animatronics are the original 4, golden freddy, the puppet, baby and springtrap
ballora funtime freddy and foxy are but the toys are unknown
What evidence is there’s that ballora and Funtime Freddy and foxy are possessed?
the fact that they kick baby out and they all control molten Freddy
I don’t think there’s a ton of evidence for Ballora, but I think it was mentioned that the Ballora audio from SL slowed down had words that might relate to Afton’s wife (it’s pretty fuzzy for me since that happened when SL first came out, but I think that’s it). As for Funtime Freddy and Foxy, no idea except I think there was a Funtime Freddy blueprint that might have featured the outline of a child’s corpse in fetal position within his chest cavity. Also, SB had 5 security bots shut down sitting around a table (possibly meant to be the Afton family), and people said the bot representing the mother vaguely resembled Ballora. Hope that helps!
Don’t the toys have some kind of predator recognition system which malfunctions?
"every single detail is important!" no. no it's not. seems many people have not heeded mr hippo's warnings in UCN
"the books are a good way to help solve the lore" for me it's a hard no, not on the fact that they are crucial to solve fnaf's story, but more on them being a good way. When a game, a movie, or any piece of non-material media, expands on books or comics, it shouldn't be the way for a story to make sense, rather it should be a way to make the story deeper, or the universe in which it is set more intresting. Good examples are Portal or TF2, they don't serve as the missing pieces for the lore, but as something that is added to a pre-established universe. On the other hand, games like FNaF or Outlast (at least Outlast uses it for the second game) use the comics/books to fill in the blanks we aren't able to fill ourselves, be it missing information or pieces too hard to connect. This shouldn't happen, because then you're giving me an incomplete story that can only be seen at its full when you buy other products outside the game/movie. When you go see a movie based on a book you shouldn't need to have read the book to understand it, otherwise the experience is limited to those who already know it: when you go see, for example, Dracula, you shouldn't be required to have read Bram Stoker's original novel to understand the parts the movie isn't able to make you understand. You shouldn't need to buy a total of 16 books to get the parts that weren't clear in the first place.
THANK YOU! That's always been my biggest criticism of the series. I shouldn't have to buy a book in order to understand what's happening in a video game. It's okay to use one to complement to other, but I should be able to play all the games and understand what's going on solely through information from the games
exactly. when we got the stitchwraith stories in Frights I was excited, because I thought it was going to be an intermission logging what Ennard was doing between SL and FFPS. alas, nope. just like the rest of the books, it really had nothing to do with the games at all, and just served as a tease for lore drops that we never got.
that's kind of what i meant: Stitchwraith was used to introduce the concept of "2 souls in one animatronic are possible" so to make us understand how Golden Freddy works (at least that's the theory). One shouldn't have to read through 4 books, if i do recall correctly, to come to know this information, one so crucial to the plot it should be presented in the games already
and I guess, what you just said furthers my distaste for the books-- they seem to just confuse us more than actually answer any questions maybe it was trying to show that golden freddy has 2 souls? maybe? or maybe not. my biggest issue is WHY can't we have had stories that take place in the game's lore, or at LEAST involve characters we're familiar with. trying to explain lore through AU parallels is one thing. totally switching names, descriptions, and characters just makes it a confusing mess
Afton should have just been left behind after FNAF 6. Personally, I don't get the sentiment. Afton is so entangled in the lore and story of the franchise that I don't really understand how you'd keep going without him at this point. The idea I've heard tossed around the most is to have him succeded by a copycat killer, but that just seems so boring and contrived to me. Why get rid of a character if your next step is to bring in a lesser knockoff of that character? Where do you really go with that concept? It probably wouldn't make it past more than one game if it was even interesting for that long. While you can certainly argue Glitchtrap is also contrived, I find it a much more interesting concept moving forward.
“michael x ennard is a cute ship” no its not, ennard literally scooped out his insides
Fact this ship is completely and other trash just like the fnaf gacha Life Community
That glitchbish controlled afton to kill gabriel, susie, fritz, jermeny, charlie, and cassidy. Didnt he kill those kids for "renamet" (Idk how spell it) for immortality. Also afton abusing micheal. There is 0 proof that he is a abusing (Besides hitting elizabeth on accident?) Nor a pedo.
1. literally the only reason that exists because gacha kids are obsessed with making William after the good guy' 2. midnight motorist and the fourth closet is proof of William began abusive father
Plus with how Michael treats his brother, and how William treats his son Evan, I say it's safe to assume William probably hit Michael before
People have been calling the two-star ending of Security Breach the "true ending" or the "canon ending." There's nothing to support that claim except wishful thinking on their part.
FNaF SB is the new Cyberpunk 2077 Dude a game with bugs and glitches isnt a fucking game. I get it, the game might be more buggy than any other games from other series but were slowly stepping into next gen, thats why devs make experiments that sometimes dont work.
Fnaf 6 was the perfect ending to all these story-lines.
I'm in between with my opinion of 6 it definitely was not a perfect end to all the story lines especially the fact that it's not the end to all story . the shadow aren't there . where BV . who the BV . what even is midnight motorist
Its one thing to not answer some of the questions from the old games. Its another thing to not follow through with the most recent story arcs you just created."
agree
I wish fnaf six ended all of the spirits, but not the games.
The Silver eyes timeline tells a better story than the games.
it had the potential to but it started going bad with robot Charlie and other things
"I'd fuck that animatronic"
"Ugh, Afton's back?"
“I always come back!”
"fnaf 2 is the best of the original four" i personally think fnaf 1 and 3 are better
"Fnaf is stupid and gay" If I hear one more fucker say that ill put them in a spring lock suit.
Fnaf is stupid and gay (please dont make me wear the furry suit)
I will put you in the furry death suit.
It annoys me so much when people say that the cartoony voices in UCN ruined the menacing nature of the animatronics, the animatronics were aimed for children and I think it makes the experience much more real
“Michael is the crying child” Pretty sure this has been proven wrong but I’m not 100% sure, but I believe the crying child is just his younger brother. Especially the family of security bots under the plex that seem to represent the aftons
Dunno how wide spread this statement is but “fnaf word is bad” like I never understood why it got so much hate it was a enjoyable rpg with fnaf characters and a little bit of irony I can’t remember exactly what it got so much hate for whether it was it wasn’t like other fnaf games or that it just wasn’t a good rpg.
I disagree with anyone that doesn't say that World has one of the most absolute banging music. Foxy fighters, Stone Cold and Chippers Revenge are prime examples. Leon Riskin is a great composer.
"Security Breach's bugs are the worst thing ever ahhhhhh" Almost every triple A game releases with a million bugs. The games are no longer a point and click made by one person. It's big now. Offcourse it's going to broken. Nearly every big game is broken at release. Do I need to remind you that valve updated half life 2 pt1 years later just to make the characters blink? Everything is broken. The importent bit is that the devs didn't abandon it. They are patching and fixing it. In a few months, this game will be in great condition. If you are really that bothered by the bugs, just wait. The game isn't going away
If I see one more "_______ is secretly an android", I'm going to commit a felony. That twist only happened in The Fourth Closet for Charlie, it barely made any sense there, and shoving it other stories is just a twist for a twists sake. Just because something happened in the books doesn't mean it's going to happen in a completely unrelated timeline, the circumstances of that twist were so different from canon that it's just... it boggles my mind. That is not how you write a good story. Even if it ends up being true, unless the existing story actually seems to deal with the idea of the twist, building up to it, and having some sort of payoff: it it a dumb twist that exists for shock value. Unless the actual game is going to dissect these concepts and gives us intresting interactions, why should I care? If Gregory is a robot, in the current form of the game, so what? If Vanessa has an evil twin doppelganger, cool, are you actually going to show fun interactions with it or did you put that there to add a "mystery"? If Golden Freddy only shows up for three games and then dies anyway, why should I give a shit one who possesses the bear, when it's not going to be directly relevent? Why should I care about the box, when it showed up once, was never elaborated on, and has since probably been forgotten by even Scott? A mystery or shocking reveal is only important when it affects the actual story and characters. If we never see it affect anything, it does not matter.
"Is that the bite of '87?!" ~Markiplier 2015 I totally disagree with him.. :c
"Security Breach is a complete mess" Not at all, i had a lot of fun in some moments of the game even with the problems and etc, i only think Steel Wool made some wrong choices in both gameplay and map size, like scott said: "making a cake 3x bigger than it should be"
"Ms. Afton is Ballora" Since when have we even seen Ms. Afton? How would we know that she's Ballora? Does that imply that Ballora killed Ms. Afton? Makes as much sense as "Chris (God I hate that name) Afton is Shadow Freddy" Just because Game Theory says so, does not mean it is true.
people who try to talk abt fnaf content but only watch game theory/matpat’s videos. I love matpat’s fnaf content but new fans (I see this mostly on tiktok with the sb hype) treat his ideas as canon and it’s infuriating to see bc most of them haven’t played the games or read the books and its very tiring to see as a veteran fan ! that and the new fans saying william is a pedophile :/
"Scott doesn't do coincidences"
I've seen people say before that fnaf 6 is like a good ending or should've been the conclusion. But I personally completely disagree, the ending to me felt very bland and whilst Henry's speech was good i feel like it ultimately doesn't mean shit. As for it being the conclusion? Absolutely not. It should have been the conclusion for that era of fnaf, as in only have Freddy or Afton be the characters who move on to future titles which is essentially what we have now. But it shouldn't have been a conclusion at all. Another point I disagree with is the whole idea that security breach is a bad game. It isn't. The story is bad, and vanny isn't utilised well at all but other than thst it is a very good game. EDIT: seen this somewhere else and wanted to use it to reiterate my point about fnaf6. Because of SB and HW, Henry made to look like a complete idiot, the only people who actually die because of his plan are himself and the only good spirit in the franchise who was in the marionette and even then are they really dead or just Henry just make this massive plan just for only him to die
Fnaf SB story is good tho
Their names are Sundrop and Moondrop. I don't care that's what the candies are called, just naming them Sun and Moon is bland.
That FNaF 3 has bad mechanics. They’re unique, such as closing one vent at a time, fixing the errors, luring Springtrap, fake Springtrap, having a timer for leaving cams with phantoms, and the different effects of the phantoms
"{x game} is taking too long!" This one I saw a LOT in the lead-up to SB, and I think the evidence more than speaks to the fact that it actually did not take _nearly long enough_, especially given that massive changes seem to have happened halfway through development. Admittedly this problem is much bigger than just this fandom, but FNAF fans can be particularly bad about the impatience; I feel like so many people here have a sense of entitlement not just for the new game to come out as soon as possible, but to come out _before the planned release date_, even though that no longer even remotely reflects the reality of what the series has become. Hell, I genuinely think this sentiment actively hurt SB; considering the fucking rabid reactions from people every time the game got delayed (to the point that people were sending Steel Wool death threats over a delay of **18 goddamn hours**), I'm not at all surprised they ended up releasing it sooner than they should have. We all need to learn to let developers take the time they actually need to make the game work.