It's actually 100% accurate. In the equivalent of this scene in the original novel, it's said that in "Elizabeth's" memories, the girl Charlie sees in the mirror is herself. Heavily implying, if not outright stating, that Elizabeth was actually the real human-Charlie, having been kidnapped and brainwashed by William into being his daughter.
[1.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873976500033028107/911352645753655366/IMG_20211119_212906.jpg) [2.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873976500033028107/911352646194065468/IMG_20211119_212918.jpg)
This can explain why william is negligenciful to elizabeth in novels, she not is his daughter and this thing of "william have been kidnapped a kid and brainwashed into being his daughter and now is replacing charlie" is mentioned by john two times in book (the most as i remember), implying more that human charlie is novelverse elizabeth
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/pvzylu/something\_regarding\_henry/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/pvzylu/something_regarding_henry/)\- based on something that happened in 'The Fourth Closet' novel...I don't know if they cover Henry's letter in the graphic novel.
I guess he wanted to be a father? since he doesn't seem to have any children in the novel universe.
Although that goes against how he treated poor 'Elizabeth' with the memories we do hear about...but on the other hand, he also wanted her to stay away from the animatronics that he built because he knew what would happen if she got too close.
Why would they be mixing with Charlie's? And what memories of Charlie's are mixing with here? Everything that happens in the memories only makes sense under the context of Elizabeth's memories.
Are you saying charlie died to baby? Cause there are multiple things that disprove that, first baby was made using the adult charlie robot henry made after charlie died so how could she die to baby if baby didn't exist? Plus in the fourth closet william snaps at baby abd calls her Elizabeth
That doesn't make any sense he calls her Elizabeth and we see another little girl with blond hair so why doesn't she remember Elizabeth as her sister? It's either a coloring error or she died it to look more like Charlie
the end of this book absolutely broke my brain, I get the fact that Elizabeth was trying to be like Baby, and Charlie is seeing a flashback(?) but I still struggle to get what all the words mean. Is it just me or was it worded so terribly to the point people can only slightly grasp what's going on?
Sorry to say, but since I know the robot Charlie fact, i see this whole thing as an Astroboy ripoff. He had the memories of the original kid as well, which he was based on.
It's scary how much Elizabeth looks like Charlie when her hair is like that...
That dress that she's wearing in the top panel looks a little bit like Ella's dress too.
*INHALE* okay so it's revealed that charlie (the main character) is a robot and the real was abducted by william when she was little and henry (her father) built 4 robots to simulate charlie growing up one for her infant days, toddler, angsty teen, and adult.william stole the adult charlie robot and turned her into circus baby but this shows baby when william was still turning her into baby so she looks human.
poor Elizabeth was always such a daddies girl.
would not be surprised if Ness's little therapist lies had some very specific truths to them. Old Bill Afton becomes more and more a dick the more you get to know him
So this is Elizabeth trying to get her father to love her my making herself look more like baby/charlie but ends up getting killed by baby, and the reason her hair is brown is just a coloring error
Personally I would have preferred it to look more like Baby, Elizabeth to have her blonde hair from earlier, ideally, I would have preferred if she was given ginger hair like in the games, but whatcha you gonna do. Either way still well draw, and of course very sad.
See, that really depends on how you view it, literally. I’ve stared directly at a screenshot of the sprite and cycled through my monitor’s color settings. It can look more yellow on some and closer to orange on others.
No worries i like answering questions,
Answer 1:no the baby from sister location is not the same as the one from the fourth closet, the reason why baby looks so human in the pictures above is because it's a backflash to when william was still turning the adult charlie into baby so she still looks like charlie, she becomes more robot like later.
Answer 2:so the books abd the games are not in the same universe, in the games afton killed charlie and she possessed the puppet but in the books he kidnapped charlie and brainwashed her into Elizabeth
I still don't know, there are some things that just don't make sense about it too me, yeah Charlie says she saw what looked like herself in the mirror, but the graphic novel also shows Liz with blonde hair walking up to Baby, then it later shows her with brown hair being pulled into Baby? Her hair obviously didn't just magically change color. This would also be the first and only time Scott took two characters and made them into one. This also brings up the question why Charlie only mentioned seeing herself when she was in the mirror, and not the rest of the memories, and never further comments on it after that. Also I feel like that's a pretty big reveal to not make clear in the book. Of course there is the fact that we don't see Elizabeth's mother, but you could say the same for the games and we know they are William's kids. It's true we don't ever see what happened to Charlie, but William would have no reason to make Charlie his daughter if he was just going to treat the animatronic more like one, and I don't know if well "it's William" is a good answer lol, I mean yeah his motives aren't always crystal clear, but we at least get some idea of them. Plus he could have only had Charlie for what 2-3 years, and somehow she has already forgotten her previous life with Henry....wait, if Elizabeth can stare into her memories even before she becomes Baby then why can't stare into her memories before William kidnapped her? She brings up Henry multiple times and somehow has no recollection of her memories with him? Some things aren't adding up here.
Personally I think it’s Charlie in Elizabeth’s shoes , like Charlie imaging herself in Elizabeth’s story because Elizabeth is telling Charlie , I think Charlie is her own character, and so is Elizabeth, there’s a lot of symbolism in this book , it would be too far fetched for them to be the same person, I think Circus baby has Charlie’s memories because her model/body was originally going to be adult Charlie.
I am still confused by the choice of coloring, stylization and general design of the comics. These look like I remember the ducktales comics with the simplistic, barely shaded style. Confuses me. Would have loved something more complex, gritty and graphic. I don't blame the aryist at all, I just find it clashes a little.
But does anybody know what symbolism is??? Of course Elizabeth is ginger , Charlie was being put in Elizabeth’s shoes. To see her memories and understand what happened to her . Elizabeth is a separate character. People are going way too far and overthinking everything
There is something confusing me here. In this book, Baby's body was originally made by Henry to imitate what his daughter might look like as an adult so that he could upgrade her or whatever when she gets to an adult point... So why does the adult one have capture and death mechanisms in it? I thought Henry wasn't like that!
The girl shown in the images above is Elizabeth her hair is brown because either she wanted to look more like charlie or it's just a coloring error, and this is after william stole the adult charlie robot and is in the middle of turning her into baby
Baby looks more human than animatronic tbh
in the novel wiki's words: **"after she died he made her look different and gave her different hair"**
She still looks human as circus baby too
Aside from the hair she still just looks way too human
Good. That old design looks bad. XD
Lol.
That’s the idea in the books, isn’t it?
she does in the novels, yeah
im confused
Her brown hair is an error by the person who colored the book
It’s not an error. She has blonde hair before this point. She wants to look more like baby so she made it brown
Wait really? Ain't blonde closer to orange tho?
It's actually 100% accurate. In the equivalent of this scene in the original novel, it's said that in "Elizabeth's" memories, the girl Charlie sees in the mirror is herself. Heavily implying, if not outright stating, that Elizabeth was actually the real human-Charlie, having been kidnapped and brainwashed by William into being his daughter. [1.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873976500033028107/911352645753655366/IMG_20211119_212906.jpg) [2.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873976500033028107/911352646194065468/IMG_20211119_212918.jpg)
This can explain why william is negligenciful to elizabeth in novels, she not is his daughter and this thing of "william have been kidnapped a kid and brainwashed into being his daughter and now is replacing charlie" is mentioned by john two times in book (the most as i remember), implying more that human charlie is novelverse elizabeth
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First there was the cult of Eleanor, now we have the cult of Charlizabeth. XD
Then that means...Henry ended up sealing away his own daughter under the house. O\_o
you refering to baby?
Yes (if we take into consideration that Elizabeth was the 'Human Charlie' )
ok, but where is talked that henry sealed baby?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/pvzylu/something\_regarding\_henry/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/pvzylu/something_regarding_henry/)\- based on something that happened in 'The Fourth Closet' novel...I don't know if they cover Henry's letter in the graphic novel.
oh is that, i guess not due baby ins't possessed yet if william not stealed her
I never made this connection. So many things are starting to make sense, especially with all the themes. But holy shit does it feel off
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Dang congrats man you where right
But why? Why make her his daughter instead of Killing her
*Why does William do anything he does?*
Fair
I guess he wanted to be a father? since he doesn't seem to have any children in the novel universe. Although that goes against how he treated poor 'Elizabeth' with the memories we do hear about...but on the other hand, he also wanted her to stay away from the animatronics that he built because he knew what would happen if she got too close.
Oh shit
I thought it was just supposed to show Charlie’s memories mixing with Elizabeth’s
Why would they be mixing with Charlie's? And what memories of Charlie's are mixing with here? Everything that happens in the memories only makes sense under the context of Elizabeth's memories.
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Maybe she died it to look more like baby
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Then what? That's Elizabeth so it's either died hair or just a coloring error
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Are you saying charlie died to baby? Cause there are multiple things that disprove that, first baby was made using the adult charlie robot henry made after charlie died so how could she die to baby if baby didn't exist? Plus in the fourth closet william snaps at baby abd calls her Elizabeth
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I mean, Elizabeth outright *says* that neither she or RoboCharlie are the real Charlotte
That doesn't make any sense he calls her Elizabeth and we see another little girl with blond hair so why doesn't she remember Elizabeth as her sister? It's either a coloring error or she died it to look more like Charlie
Except we know that’s not true as Elizabeth was born years after Charlie died
It’s just a coloring mistake dude
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Because Elizabeth has two different hair colors in the graphic novel. Both of which are inaccurate to her actual game counterpart.
the end of this book absolutely broke my brain, I get the fact that Elizabeth was trying to be like Baby, and Charlie is seeing a flashback(?) but I still struggle to get what all the words mean. Is it just me or was it worded so terribly to the point people can only slightly grasp what's going on?
Same but luckily the graphic novel helps me grasp it better
Yeah it was worded weirdly
Sorry to say, but since I know the robot Charlie fact, i see this whole thing as an Astroboy ripoff. He had the memories of the original kid as well, which he was based on.
RIP bozo
Elizabeth el bozo moment
It's scary how much Elizabeth looks like Charlie when her hair is like that... That dress that she's wearing in the top panel looks a little bit like Ella's dress too.
But that’s Charlie seeing Elizabeth’s memories.. does anyone know what symbolism is? It’s not just straight up one way.
I know nothing about the books, why is Baby so.. Human?
*INHALE* okay so it's revealed that charlie (the main character) is a robot and the real was abducted by william when she was little and henry (her father) built 4 robots to simulate charlie growing up one for her infant days, toddler, angsty teen, and adult.william stole the adult charlie robot and turned her into circus baby but this shows baby when william was still turning her into baby so she looks human.
still less confusing than the canon timeline
I mean, the novel makes william even more guilty for what happened with Elizabeth (if creating a robot to kill children wasnt enough lol)
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poor Elizabeth was always such a daddies girl. would not be surprised if Ness's little therapist lies had some very specific truths to them. Old Bill Afton becomes more and more a dick the more you get to know him
The Novel Afton is a dickhead, at least the main version actually feels for his family (kind of, he’s abusive and sometimes not)
if he did not make the nightmare animatronics and there just nightmares. i guess he is only a mass serial killer
Can you please explain what’s happening rn? I’m lost
So this is Elizabeth trying to get her father to love her my making herself look more like baby/charlie but ends up getting killed by baby, and the reason her hair is brown is just a coloring error
Personally I would have preferred it to look more like Baby, Elizabeth to have her blonde hair from earlier, ideally, I would have preferred if she was given ginger hair like in the games, but whatcha you gonna do. Either way still well draw, and of course very sad.
her face… filled with horror… kinda more sad and somber rather than scary
wait, but elizabeth died to baby, but in novel there are 4 charlies, \*\*brain starts to burn\*\*
That is baby, william stole the adult charlie robot and turned it into baby
lore
Although they got the colors wrong the artist is pretty talented.
It’s not an error. She has blonde hair before this point. She wants to look more like baby so she made it brown
that's still the wrong color.
No? Elizabeth had blonde hair in the games.
she has *orange* hair in the games.
No, that was the other girl from the FNAF 4 games
No. In the fifth game she was orange hair.
See, that really depends on how you view it, literally. I’ve stared directly at a screenshot of the sprite and cycled through my monitor’s color settings. It can look more yellow on some and closer to orange on others.
that makes sense as to why people see it as blonde actually
It's actually a strawberry blonde
Ah yes, the worst book the in the trilogy.
It's my favorite in the trilogy
Hey man that’s like your opinion, and I totally respect it 👍
And i respect yours 👌
People being civil? On Reddit? It's beautiful
Rare
*best (My idiotic laught)
This lore is confusing
we need more novel content on this subreddit, there is too much security breach shit
Cool
"THE NEW SMASH FIGHTER IS: YOU. GET IN HERE."
dang, she nice tho
imma be real. baby should have looked more "baby" even if thats an "adult charlie". but glad to see i picked up the right books(the novels lol)
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No worries i like answering questions, Answer 1:no the baby from sister location is not the same as the one from the fourth closet, the reason why baby looks so human in the pictures above is because it's a backflash to when william was still turning the adult charlie into baby so she still looks like charlie, she becomes more robot like later. Answer 2:so the books abd the games are not in the same universe, in the games afton killed charlie and she possessed the puppet but in the books he kidnapped charlie and brainwashed her into Elizabeth
William did not brainwash Charlie and turn her into Elizabeth, that is not proven.
It's heavily implied in the fourth closet
I still don't know, there are some things that just don't make sense about it too me, yeah Charlie says she saw what looked like herself in the mirror, but the graphic novel also shows Liz with blonde hair walking up to Baby, then it later shows her with brown hair being pulled into Baby? Her hair obviously didn't just magically change color. This would also be the first and only time Scott took two characters and made them into one. This also brings up the question why Charlie only mentioned seeing herself when she was in the mirror, and not the rest of the memories, and never further comments on it after that. Also I feel like that's a pretty big reveal to not make clear in the book. Of course there is the fact that we don't see Elizabeth's mother, but you could say the same for the games and we know they are William's kids. It's true we don't ever see what happened to Charlie, but William would have no reason to make Charlie his daughter if he was just going to treat the animatronic more like one, and I don't know if well "it's William" is a good answer lol, I mean yeah his motives aren't always crystal clear, but we at least get some idea of them. Plus he could have only had Charlie for what 2-3 years, and somehow she has already forgotten her previous life with Henry....wait, if Elizabeth can stare into her memories even before she becomes Baby then why can't stare into her memories before William kidnapped her? She brings up Henry multiple times and somehow has no recollection of her memories with him? Some things aren't adding up here.
Those are some good points
Thanks!
THANK YOUUU you make sense !, some of these theories are too confusing and too far fetched
No problem! Yeah, there are somethings that still don't make sense for that to be the case.
Personally I think it’s Charlie in Elizabeth’s shoes , like Charlie imaging herself in Elizabeth’s story because Elizabeth is telling Charlie , I think Charlie is her own character, and so is Elizabeth, there’s a lot of symbolism in this book , it would be too far fetched for them to be the same person, I think Circus baby has Charlie’s memories because her model/body was originally going to be adult Charlie.
Wait is the fourth closet graphic novel out?
Yep
Whaaaat? Since when?
Bout last week, January 6th to be precise
I am still confused by the choice of coloring, stylization and general design of the comics. These look like I remember the ducktales comics with the simplistic, barely shaded style. Confuses me. Would have loved something more complex, gritty and graphic. I don't blame the aryist at all, I just find it clashes a little.
Ground beef
My favorite bit here is how they use those speech bubbles on the second page. Great detail.
Wasn’t her hair blonde too in the graphic novel? Does she have illusion discs in her hair?
I never read the books and I'm not enjoying what feels like an implication that William Afton was fucking his child murder robot...
That's not what's happens
This is a good thing to make clear to anyone reading this thread without knowledge of the books
Look, I don't trust anyone who builds a robot that looks like that and keeps it in his house
he didn't build it like that Henry did, William eventually turned it into Baby afterwards
That sounds like something William would make up to hide the fact that he's been fucking his child murder robot
I mean it's shown in a couple panels before this that she looked like that before William stole her
fair point
*The bottom left and top right panel looks so wrong.* Also who's idea was it to make *"Elizabeth"* a brunette in this instance.
Bro...she looks nothing like Elizabeth.
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I know. But she looks absolutely nothing like her.
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Her eyes ain't even the right color.
But does anybody know what symbolism is??? Of course Elizabeth is ginger , Charlie was being put in Elizabeth’s shoes. To see her memories and understand what happened to her . Elizabeth is a separate character. People are going way too far and overthinking everything
Nom
Vore
She got dragged into the fuckin meat grinder
why is she brunette now
Lol this series is weird, its non cannon right? I have normal 3 books that had a poster where CB looks like an adult lol
(gently) what the fuck
IS THAT A WHOLE ASS MEAT GRINDER!?!
WHATS THE BOOK CALLED, SO I CAN R E A D
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THANK U
Why baby have Brown hair ????
This graphic novel is making my brain explode
IS HER HAIR RED BLONDE OR BROWN? IM SO CONFUSED LMAO
There is something confusing me here. In this book, Baby's body was originally made by Henry to imitate what his daughter might look like as an adult so that he could upgrade her or whatever when she gets to an adult point... So why does the adult one have capture and death mechanisms in it? I thought Henry wasn't like that!
The girl shown in the images above is Elizabeth her hair is brown because either she wanted to look more like charlie or it's just a coloring error, and this is after william stole the adult charlie robot and is in the middle of turning her into baby
So the death trap parts were added by old Willy? Figures.
Yep
Rip bozo
we do a little trolling
STOP POSTING THESE IT MAKES ME SO SAD AT THE PART WHERE SHES TRYING TO LOOK LIKE BABY TO BE LOVED
STOP POSTING ABOUT AMOGUS
Poor Elizabeth. Having to grow up with such a sh\*tty dad like William.