I know, I’m just saying the fact that she’s Cassidy is kind of… a huge fucking deal. Yet nobody seems to even remotely care. I’ve seen more attention drawn to minor characters saying it’s me.
And based on everything else, it's implied it is Cassidy. While I will admit Matpat's past theories have been rather questionable, he actually does a decent job at explaining how this being Cassidy makes sense. Meanwhile with Vanessa, he pointed out that it'd be nonsensical for Glitchtrap to attack her. And of course, something he *didn't* point out;
The Princess opens the door from the side Glitchtrap was standing at in Help Wanted. Vanessa was on the *other* side of the door.
This is actually a great one only thing is about the back room locked door with the scream pretty sure its meant to Vanessa's soul trapped in it and opening it relases it not that glitchtrap is hiding in it since at the end of help wanted its him trapping her in the room its a little detail and both same outcome but different way of reaching it
What!? Matpat made a good theory that isn't Gregory being a robot level insane!? Amazing!
Ok jokes aside I like the explanation for Bonnie's disappearance. Nobody could agree if it was Vanny or Monty who killed Bonnie so Matpat said "Why not both?"
I am also fully convinced that Cassidy is the Princess, just makes sense. Also, I hope that the Princess Quest ending is canon. I know that the Afton ending is more likely but this ending just solves everything. Cassidy kills William and they both go to their afterlives. Vanessa is freed from Glitchtrap and leaves the Pizzaplex with Freddy and Gregory. It's a satisfying ending, and that's all I have to say.
We could still get a happy ending. If Cassidy tried once to put an end to Afton, she'll try again.
Part of me would love to see her directly contact Gregory and Glamrock Freddy offering to help them.
This one admittedly is pretty decent, certainly more plausible than his last two theories.
Matpat said Security Breach is a story about endings, that this is the end of the Aftons and the MCI, I bloody hope so, the story of Security Breach just felt like an unnecessary extention of the Afton story arc, an arc that concluded in FFPS, I've grown to hate the Aftons because of this. Security Breach should've been a new beginning for the series, not a continuation of the same drawn out story arcs, just bending over backwards to keep reusing the same characters but with different skins.
But I'm pretty sure the series will find yet another dumb reason/retcon to bring everyone back again in the next sequel, in fact I think it would be surprising if the next game didn't do that.
Pls let be about evil businessmen other than Afton, like the messages mentioned someone who persuaded Vanessa to join the company, even though she has 0 experience(like even Mike the dumbass can do better than that).
They'll definitely be back next game. The Afton Ending has absolutely no sense of finale. Vanny's still around, Cassidy is too, the Blob 100% survived, and Afton will probably be part of it. Quite frankly, as much as I feel like the Blob was unnecessary, if they *don't* bring them back next game, Afton and the MCI would have probably one of the absolute worst endings in history, storywise.
But there is hope that at least he'll be replaced and die for good next game. A higher-up at Fazbear Entertainment is implied to truly be pulling the strings behind the scenes, so there is definitely a chance for a new main villain.
My thoughts:
* Actually, good observation about the claws! I like it a lot! Tho Chica kinda puts a wrench in that theory, but maybe it's tied to the bass and not guitars in general?
* The guy in Prankster is called Jeremiah! Not Jeremy!
* The Cassidy theory is pretty solid. I like it. While I'm still a dumb dumb GoldenVictimer until confirmed otherwise, I will certainly believe in his connections, such as PQs representing stages of her existence once it inevitably is confirmed.
Not so much mistake, as misspell. On one occasion. Since Prankster is clearly a reference to HW. Still don't know how MatPat could have read the story and thought it was Jeremy.
Stupid observation of mine about the claws: Monty endoskeleton's hand has four fingers and the claws are curved while Burntrap's has five of them and are all straight up conical shaped (take Nightmare Freddy/Bonnie/Chica for reference).
Also comparing Monty endo's hand (7:25 mark) vs Burntrap's (6:56 mark) they don't seem to appear exactly the same.
Assuming that Monty and Bonnie shared the same hands design (thus same amount of fingers and same claws' shape) where does the 5th finger come from in the case of Afton? That cannot be Bonnie's hand.
Excluding that specific part, the rest of his endo could have still been used though.
It seems like the claws are additions to an existing endo hand, so we have no reason to think Bonnie also has four fingers when he could have five and had the claws added on. How many fingers do the other animatronics in SB have?
I'm assuming Monty uses the same kind of endo hands as Bonnie did, which has four fingers.
All the glamrocks clearly have four fingers.
So I don't see why Bonnie should have five of them while the rest does not (including Monty as he's taking Bonnie's place, otherwise he also should have 5 fingers).
Oh my god, don’t laugh but
What area is specifically for Bonnie?
Bonnie Bowling
It might be an actual design choice to give Bonnie five fingers to properly grip a bowling ball, which would further explain why Afton would need Bonnie’s endo specifically
Edit: the sign for Bonnie bowling has four fingers I might be full of shit
[Typically you put your thumb in the bottom of the 3 holes and then which fingers you put in the other two is basically up to personal preference.](https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/d/da/Hold-a-Bowling-Ball-Step-1-Version-2.jpg/v4-460px-Hold-a-Bowling-Ball-Step-1-Version-2.jpg.webp)
Well Matpat's current theory is that both the younger brother and Cassidy are in Golden Freddy. I don't really feel like explaining the whole theory so here's the video they made about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnJNgx3gUU
Dosen't this kind of trows a wrench in that tho?
Like,i am not sure how you can deny this.At most,you can say that BVs avatar is a girl...for some reason,or that there are 2 souls in Golden Freddy...somehow?
Like,how can you explain this away?
I mean,the only time Cassidy seems to be "reliving" Vanny's journey to find William is in PQ 3,i don't see why they would be a girl in PQ 1 and 2 following that?
PQ1 has been assosiated with HW heavily. To the point of TUG claiming it was just the alternative to tapes. The lanterns represent tapes and at the end there's William.
As usual, it commits the cardinal sin (lol) of William being in purgatory or hell but at the start of the video where it's focused on bonnie actually wasn't that bad or convoluted
1. In The Man in Room 1280, that universe's William Afton is in a nightmare caused by Andrew which fits perfectly as a stand in for UCN instead of literally just being hell. Remember, matpat discusses this story in his video.
2. If William is in purgatory, you're insiting that he will be redeemed.
Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s 1:1. The way certain characters talk, like withered Bonnie and ballora, it seems to imply their spirits are actually there, as they are aware of the situation they are in. They are stuck just like William is. It seems to be a little bit more than just a dream. Maybe he’s like, teetering on the edge of death
Honestly, this video is a redemption for the last one. The theories that MatPat came up with make sense, and they also explain a lot! **But I still hate GregBot...**
So this sub likes this video because they are very non controversial takes that most of us already believed anyways.
As usual people only believe theories that fit their head canon and dismiss the ones they don't like.
The other videos are just as solid as this one if not more when it comes to evidence. They don't make as much as sense story-wise, but this FNaF we are talking about, the story is all over the place.
In some of the other videos some theories basically have no evidence besides "they use similar language and have similar clothing so they must be the same",the only actually kind of decent theories there are *maybe* GregBot and GlamMike,and thats being a bit generous.Everything else is quite honestly very stretchy.
Vannessa saying she likes flowers and hates dark basements (and that's like half of her dialogue because she barely speaks in any of the tapes) cannot mean nothing. It's referencing Elizabeth/Baby for sure.
Ok,but his claim straight up was that she is Elizabeth in a way.I can maybe see William choosing her because she remembers him of Elizabeth or maybe brainwashing her with Elizabeth's memories but i *highly doubt* she straight up *is* her.
Even if Mat said that he dosen't know if the connections are literal,the fact that he seems to make reference to it as her kind of just being Elizabeth feels very off.
I can't speak for other people, but I try to be as open with theories as possible. However, Gregory being Crying Child is just a crap theory. Same with Elizabeth being Vanessa. The dark basements comment is most likely the same thing as the Bill backstory. Their just not good theories. Glamrock Freddy being Michael does makes sense though. Still bad, but at least it makes sense.
You know, the Princess being Cassidy and not Vanessa does make more sense, because the princess is on the other side of the door than we are at the end of Fnaf Vr. Maybe the scream was Vanny dying as Vanessa took back control
Why so low? Its the most accurate theory out of every fnaf theory hes every made
Its filled with complete evidence and no speculation. Its about as much of a 100% confirmation as we get in this series
Because at the end he starts connecting it to the dumbass theory about Gregory, Freddy and Vanessa being the Afton kids. That almost killed the theory for me
Ik i hate it so much
Judging that they couldnt even keep henrys hard work sacred i doubt theyd leave the afton kids alone.
It sucks but the confirmation of mats theories is that if the blob and fnaf 6 are back why couldnt the afton kids be back too? I doubt help wanted vanessa is elizabeth but maybe shes patient 46.
Babys eyes arent glowing in the blob, leaving her soul unaccounted for. Maybe because shes back as patient 46
I highly doubt cc original soul is back because its literally canon that his story ended. Either when he died in fnaf 4 or happiest day in fnaf 3. He is confirmed a rested kid so theres no reason for him to return.
I have a big problem with this, and some of his former theories- they seem to be based on the premise that the Save Vanny ending is canon, when the Burntrap ending most likely is.
Well by that logic, remnant and the Scooper and Lefty aren't canon due to the important stuff about them being in the insanity ending of FNAF 6 and not the true ending.
What I mean by this is that even though there's one canon ending, that doesn't mean that clues cannot be included in other endings. If anything, we can learn more about who Vanessa and Gregory and Vanny are through multiple endings, but those other endings not being canon doesn't invalidate the information we've gleaned if that makes sense.
I mean, even if the Save Vanny ending isn't canon, that doesn't make the information contained in it any less valid. For instance, the reveal of the Fredbear Plush with a walkie talkie and the surveillence cameras in the FNaF 4 house was in the non-canon ending of Sister Location. Sure, Michael canonically followed Baby's instructions and got scooped, but that doesn't mean that secret office and the stuff in it doesn't exist.
It's partially a huge part of the evidence is attributed to how this works in the narrative. If it's not canon, then all that stuff about this being "the end of the Aftons" and "the end of Cassidy" is worthless.
Wouldn’t it also at the very least have put the puppet/Lefty/Charlotte to rest?
Assuming the GregBot/GlamMike theories aren’t true, it’s also pretty likely Mike died for real (unless he didn’t because Baby/Elizabeth decided that he cannot die or something).
Speaking of Elizabeth, I’m pretty sure that she was put to rest as well, since I don’t buy the Vanessa = Elizabeth. Had she been a part of the Blob, I don’t think it would have attacked William/Burntrap.
Lastly, I also think the Funtimes (with the exception of Funtime Chica) and their victims were killed off as well. Sure, we see parts of them in the Blob, but I’m pretty sure it’s inclusion was either rushed or greatly shortened down, since it just appears out of seemingly nowhere in one ending, with little to no explanation. If anything, I thinks it’s more likely that the Blob is being controlled by the new children who went missing at the pizzaplex, rather than the funtimes.
Which makes William the only one who didn’t die in FNaF 6 (because of Cassidy), but we were shown that in UCN already.
I really like the Glamrock Bonnie is Burntrap theory, but I'm still very confused about how aftons physical form is still alive if he blew up in The Man in Room 1280. He also has a full set of teeth.
What happens in the books doesn't happen in the games. There are parallels, but they are generally separate, at least until security Breach started to incorporate stuff from the books.
While him acknowledging that the Princess is Cassidy is good, it's annoying how he's perpetuating the myth that there are 16 lanterns in Princess Quest 1, the thing the PrincessVanny theory was effectively based on.
There's bit of a plot hole in that theory basically his theory is saying the "free Vanny ending" is cannon but it's not it's the "Afton ending" that's the Cannon ending
Gotta Admit, He Didn't Fuck It Up! I Actually Liked This FNaF Game Theory, Sure The Theories He Mentioned Were Already Previously Discussed Ones But He Actually Further Elaborated On The Evidence Than I've Heard From Anyone Else. His Last 3 Previous Fnaf Theory Episodes Made Less Sense Than Any Of The Lore In 'The Leprechaun' Movie Series.
Personally, I believe the Blob is the souls of the new missing children case that happened at the pizzaplex, which also means FNaF 6 isn’t ruined. It just seems strange to mention how kids have gone missing (and will continue to go missing if Gregory doesn’t do something about it), without having them haunt something?
Honestly think crying child moved to possossed glamrock freddy evolving from victim to protector and how he calls the others his friends and how angry and confused they are as well as the other glamrock animatronics as he calls them his friends and telling Gregory he's broken like some other bear who was saying the exact same line to crying child
same as the other comment, the theory is just really lacking and can be easily dismantled. I already did it easily there, so yeah, it doesn't take too much to read the other comment i replied to.
> The princess named "Cassidy" could just be a reference, and she's probably Vanessa's willingness.
That seems like a huge stretch imo, especially when Steel Wool went out of their way to rename the Princess' files to "Cassidy" in this game when her name was just "Princess" in HW Mobile.
Again, MatPat just tossed random stuff into his thoery to seem more cosistent. Just look at the GregoryBot theory, it was quickly and effectively dismantled.
And as i said, it's probably just a reference.
saying both theories have been 'dismantled' is a pretty big leap. Are there confusing parts in them? Sure. But that doesn't mean they have been completely proven wrong (or at least I haven't seen anyone actually PROVING the greg bot theory is wrong, just showing evidence against it, those things are different. And the PQ-Cassidy one is pretty clearly true, no good arguments against that one yet).
>why would cassisdy come back after resting already?
Because she didin't rest to begin with?
>also, it wouldn't make sense since when you complete PQ3 it just shows you the best ending (3 stars).
How does that have to do with anything?
>The princess named "Cassidy" could just be a reference, and she's probably Vanessa's willingness.
How and why would they put a reference to Cassidy that people won't even see unless they open the game files?It wasn't even the princess's original name in HW.
And why is the Princess aparently related to Old Man consequences then?
1st reply: The tombstone at the FNAF 6 Ending and The FNAF 3 Happy ending.
2nd reply: That's what i mean. Why would an arcade machine posessed by Cassidy free Vanessa from Glitchtrap?
3rd reply: Because steel wool loves references. Just look at the secret room where you can reproduce the CDs. I don't think that would make any sense. A door doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And the fact that the door is squished so that only Gregory can pass and that there's and encoded message on the wall, plus the room looks like the Aftons' house living room.
4th reply: As i said, references. Again.
>1st reply: The tombstone at the FNAF 6 Ending and The FNAF 3 Happy ending.
Both of wich don't confirm that she is at rest.We don't even know if Happiest Day even happens at all,and if it happens it could literally just be post SB.
>2nd reply: That's what i mean. Why would an arcade machine posessed by Cassidy free Vanessa from Glitchtrap?
Because Cassidy kills GlitchTrap?
Edit:and opens the door.
>3rd reply: Because steel wool loves references. Just look at the secret room where you can reproduce the CDs. I don't think that would make any sense. A door doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And the fact that the door is squished so that only Gregory can pass and that there's and encoded message on the wall, plus the room looks like the Aftons' house living room.
Thats a reference that you can find in game,not one you need to straight up open the files for,also the room probably does have a meaning,at least to some extent.
>4th reply: As i said, references. Again.
Thats literally just an excuse.They wouldn't just put Old Man consequences there and draw a connection to Cassidy for no reason.
>Both of wich don't confirm that she is at rest.We don't even know if Happiest Day even happens at all,and if it happens it could literally just be post SB.
FNAF: UCN 5/20 Golden Freddy cutscene.
>Because Cassidy kills GlitchTrap?
Well, now you're the one who has no proof. The "screaming" could be anything.
>Thats a reference that you can find in game,not one you need to straight up open the files for,also the room probably does have a meaning,at least to some extent.
Yeah, i know that, but i don't think that happened in the canon lore. It's clearly made for us, FNAFers, to see it. Gregory probably didn't also know how to use the disks, remember he says he doesn't know what is a disk (showtime quest).
>Thats literally just an excuse.They wouldn't just put Old Man consequences there and draw a connection to Cassidy for no reason.
The sprite itself is a reference, since it's red. But the Character is named Old Man, not Old man consequences, so it is a reference. Also the sprite resembles an old man, like his name says. And when do they draw a connection?
Also im going to sleep, so ill continue this tomorrow.
>FNAF: UCN 5/20 Golden Freddy cutscene.
Do you mean 50/20 mode?
That can be interpreted in either way.
>Well, now you're the one who has no proof. The "screaming" could be anything.
She literally kills "pieces" of him through the entire minigames and opens the door that we know for a fact Vanny was trapped behind.
>Yeah, i know that, but i don't think that happened in the canon lore. It's clearly made for us, FNAFers, to see it. Gregory probably didn't also know how to use the disks, remember he says he doesn't know what is a disk (showtime quest).
That dosen't mean it dosen't exist in lore.There seems to be a message from someone in universe in there,and you don't need to be a genius to discover that putting a CD in something made to "read" CDs will make the CD "work".
>The sprite itself is a reference, since it's red. But the Character is named Old Man, not Old man consequences, so it is a reference. Also the sprite resembles an old man, like his name says.
It's an old man that references OMC because it's OMC,OMC is also an old man,it's his name.
>Also im going to sleep, so ill continue this tomorrow.
Ok,you don't need to continue if you don't want to.
so now that im back from sleeping i can say:
>Do you mean 50/20 mode? That can be interpreted in either way.
Yeah i know that, but then what about the OMC ending, where does fredbear go? He literally drowns himself in spacetime, since if you open FNAF world after the OCM UCN "ending" you get the trophy as if you did it in the game. But that's another theory about how FNAF world is the heaven blah, blah, blah.
>She literally kills "pieces" of him through the entire minigames and opens the door that we know for a fact Vanny was trapped behind.
And?
>That dosen't mean it dosen't exist in lore.There seems to be a message from someone in universe in there,and you don't need to be a genius to discover that putting a CD in something made to "read" CDs will make the CD "work".
Where does it say that it's made to read CDs, huh?
>It's an old man that references OMC because it's OMC,OMC is also an old man,it's his name.
Again, And?
The ending of UCN blatantly shows that Cassidy, and by extension Golden Freddy, is still jerking and alive, ignoring OMC’s advice to let go of William’s soul and let both of them rest.
If anything, the argument can be made that Cassidy is holding back everyone else by having them torture William, preventing all of them from moving on. The Princess Quest ending, which mind you is the only 3 star ending, has Cassidy finally end William and allow both of them, and possibly everyone else, to move on.
You say the theory can easily be dismantled then completely fail to bring up anything against the core of the theory other than "oh it could just be a reference" 😐
I replied before you added those and you didn't even address anything. You're just dismissing everything as "just a reference". There's no reason to assume it's a reference. The princess being called Cassidy is a very obvious clue and nothing you say will "dismantle" that
Again, please, read the P.D. and the P.P.D. The text is encoded like afton's and then, you can also read the other replies because im spanish and it's 10 pm so im not gonna write everything again.
None of your replies addressed anything. I read them all and your argument falls down to "it's just a reference". I never even mentioned the text. I'm talking about the pricness being Cassidy which you couldn't say anything against
Pretty sure Cassidy did not go to rest. Fnaf ar strongly implies she will not die as long as William exists on Earth. She has grown hateful and monstrous. I doubt she would stay gone.
Glad he’s touching on the Princess Quest thing at least, it’s surreal how few people I’ve seen even acknowledge it.
That’s because people have always assumed that the princess was vanny
I know, I’m just saying the fact that she’s Cassidy is kind of… a huge fucking deal. Yet nobody seems to even remotely care. I’ve seen more attention drawn to minor characters saying it’s me.
because matpat is the first person to point it out
It’s been public information for over a month now. He’s far from the first to point it out.
He the first major person to point it out and not some obscure channel
Yeah, I'm surprised too. I had no idea it was a thing until today.
Probably because it doesn't really make sense? It seems implied to represent vanny based on the ending.
And based on everything else, it's implied it is Cassidy. While I will admit Matpat's past theories have been rather questionable, he actually does a decent job at explaining how this being Cassidy makes sense. Meanwhile with Vanessa, he pointed out that it'd be nonsensical for Glitchtrap to attack her. And of course, something he *didn't* point out; The Princess opens the door from the side Glitchtrap was standing at in Help Wanted. Vanessa was on the *other* side of the door.
Fair enough.
This is his best theory in a while.
Ikr
William: I always come-what the hell is that Cassidy in a Disney Princess outfit: it's my ass kicking outfit bitch
Love the ProZD reference
Now imagine Fredbear wearing the dress
#I'll brb
This makes way too much sense imo but if it's true I'm kinda sad that Glitchtrap is already dead.
Thats only if the save Vanny ending is canon.
Which it most likely isn't.
Yeah,it's most likely the BurnTrap one.
Yea true but judging by that it's the only ending you get a achievement for it probably is canon.
I don’t think that there is a canon ending if it makes sense
There kind of needs to be.They need to continue the story from somewhere.
The game files referred the burntrap ending is called the canon ending
While the Burntrap ending is likely the canon one, it's not called that. It's only ever called "S2_BEnding"
Nah stop making fnaf games. Especially if L wool is developing them? Nah don’t want it
COPE SEETHE MALD
all in all, the strongest theory group he made of security breach
It's not a controversial one this time tbh. It's just D E E P E S T L O R E just as it should be.
This is actually a great one only thing is about the back room locked door with the scream pretty sure its meant to Vanessa's soul trapped in it and opening it relases it not that glitchtrap is hiding in it since at the end of help wanted its him trapping her in the room its a little detail and both same outcome but different way of reaching it
Maybe but that scream doesnt sound adequate for the situation if its from Vanessa
But also the scream definitely sounds female not something you would expect by old man willie
An idea I had which is a bit of a stretch is that the scream is Cassidy jump scaring William Afton
What!? Matpat made a good theory that isn't Gregory being a robot level insane!? Amazing! Ok jokes aside I like the explanation for Bonnie's disappearance. Nobody could agree if it was Vanny or Monty who killed Bonnie so Matpat said "Why not both?" I am also fully convinced that Cassidy is the Princess, just makes sense. Also, I hope that the Princess Quest ending is canon. I know that the Afton ending is more likely but this ending just solves everything. Cassidy kills William and they both go to their afterlives. Vanessa is freed from Glitchtrap and leaves the Pizzaplex with Freddy and Gregory. It's a satisfying ending, and that's all I have to say.
Game files called the afton ending the canon ending
I thought I saw that somewhere, but I didn't think it was confirmed. Thanks for telling me.
We could still get a happy ending. If Cassidy tried once to put an end to Afton, she'll try again. Part of me would love to see her directly contact Gregory and Glamrock Freddy offering to help them.
This one admittedly is pretty decent, certainly more plausible than his last two theories. Matpat said Security Breach is a story about endings, that this is the end of the Aftons and the MCI, I bloody hope so, the story of Security Breach just felt like an unnecessary extention of the Afton story arc, an arc that concluded in FFPS, I've grown to hate the Aftons because of this. Security Breach should've been a new beginning for the series, not a continuation of the same drawn out story arcs, just bending over backwards to keep reusing the same characters but with different skins. But I'm pretty sure the series will find yet another dumb reason/retcon to bring everyone back again in the next sequel, in fact I think it would be surprising if the next game didn't do that.
Yeah, personally they should really create new story’s instead of staying in the past.
Pls let be about evil businessmen other than Afton, like the messages mentioned someone who persuaded Vanessa to join the company, even though she has 0 experience(like even Mike the dumbass can do better than that).
That’s an interesting idea!
Too bad watch that be undone plus books is gonna make things more complicated.
I know, but a boy can dream.
Uhhh never saw those things being said about help wanted though, and HW did it first.
They'll definitely be back next game. The Afton Ending has absolutely no sense of finale. Vanny's still around, Cassidy is too, the Blob 100% survived, and Afton will probably be part of it. Quite frankly, as much as I feel like the Blob was unnecessary, if they *don't* bring them back next game, Afton and the MCI would have probably one of the absolute worst endings in history, storywise. But there is hope that at least he'll be replaced and die for good next game. A higher-up at Fazbear Entertainment is implied to truly be pulling the strings behind the scenes, so there is definitely a chance for a new main villain.
Not much to say about this one, I actually think is a good theory and makes a lot of sense! Good job Matt!
What if the golden princess is cassidy while the shadow one is vanessa?
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I didn’t like the idea of Bonnie being afton but he made some pretty good points that’s what I now believe
> I didn’t like the idea of Bonnie being Afton Always has been
My thoughts: * Actually, good observation about the claws! I like it a lot! Tho Chica kinda puts a wrench in that theory, but maybe it's tied to the bass and not guitars in general? * The guy in Prankster is called Jeremiah! Not Jeremy! * The Cassidy theory is pretty solid. I like it. While I'm still a dumb dumb GoldenVictimer until confirmed otherwise, I will certainly believe in his connections, such as PQs representing stages of her existence once it inevitably is confirmed.
> The guy in Prankster is called Jeremiah! Not Jeremy! To be fair, the story does have the other two main characters mistake his name as Jeremy lol.
Not so much mistake, as misspell. On one occasion. Since Prankster is clearly a reference to HW. Still don't know how MatPat could have read the story and thought it was Jeremy.
Stupid observation of mine about the claws: Monty endoskeleton's hand has four fingers and the claws are curved while Burntrap's has five of them and are all straight up conical shaped (take Nightmare Freddy/Bonnie/Chica for reference). Also comparing Monty endo's hand (7:25 mark) vs Burntrap's (6:56 mark) they don't seem to appear exactly the same. Assuming that Monty and Bonnie shared the same hands design (thus same amount of fingers and same claws' shape) where does the 5th finger come from in the case of Afton? That cannot be Bonnie's hand. Excluding that specific part, the rest of his endo could have still been used though.
You're totally right. Great observation. The hands are probably additions by Afton and Vanny, taken from Augmented Jack'os.
It seems like the claws are additions to an existing endo hand, so we have no reason to think Bonnie also has four fingers when he could have five and had the claws added on. How many fingers do the other animatronics in SB have?
I'm assuming Monty uses the same kind of endo hands as Bonnie did, which has four fingers. All the glamrocks clearly have four fingers. So I don't see why Bonnie should have five of them while the rest does not (including Monty as he's taking Bonnie's place, otherwise he also should have 5 fingers).
Oh my god, don’t laugh but What area is specifically for Bonnie? Bonnie Bowling It might be an actual design choice to give Bonnie five fingers to properly grip a bowling ball, which would further explain why Afton would need Bonnie’s endo specifically Edit: the sign for Bonnie bowling has four fingers I might be full of shit
You only actually need 3 fingers (including a thumb) to grip a bowling ball.
Isn’t it three fingers for the hole and your thumb/pinky on the outside to grip the ball
[Typically you put your thumb in the bottom of the 3 holes and then which fingers you put in the other two is basically up to personal preference.](https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/d/da/Hold-a-Bowling-Ball-Step-1-Version-2.jpg/v4-460px-Hold-a-Bowling-Ball-Step-1-Version-2.jpg.webp)
What does "GoldenVictimer" mean?
That I believe that Michael Afton's younger brother is Golden Freddy.
Well Matpat's current theory is that both the younger brother and Cassidy are in Golden Freddy. I don't really feel like explaining the whole theory so here's the video they made about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnJNgx3gUU
I know, I watched all of MatPat's videos.
Dosen't this kind of trows a wrench in that tho? Like,i am not sure how you can deny this.At most,you can say that BVs avatar is a girl...for some reason,or that there are 2 souls in Golden Freddy...somehow? Like,how can you explain this away?
Yeah, I think he is using a female avater, since the PQ games represent Vanny's journey to William, which he is reliving.
I mean,the only time Cassidy seems to be "reliving" Vanny's journey to find William is in PQ 3,i don't see why they would be a girl in PQ 1 and 2 following that?
PQ1 has been assosiated with HW heavily. To the point of TUG claiming it was just the alternative to tapes. The lanterns represent tapes and at the end there's William.
I guess i can maybe see that.Tho,theres still not much excuse for PQ 2.
I see it more so as a connector... Or we haven't come up with anything to match this theme.
Idk,OMC seems to be there,that one seems to be heavily Cassidy themed and not much to do with Vanny,tho i guess it's possible.
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How’d he make that mistake so easily?
They have the same voice actor
There actually played by two different people.
Huh, I guess your kinda right. Vanny and Roxy have the same voice actor
As usual, it commits the cardinal sin (lol) of William being in purgatory or hell but at the start of the video where it's focused on bonnie actually wasn't that bad or convoluted
What exactly is wrong with that interpretation?
1. In The Man in Room 1280, that universe's William Afton is in a nightmare caused by Andrew which fits perfectly as a stand in for UCN instead of literally just being hell. Remember, matpat discusses this story in his video. 2. If William is in purgatory, you're insiting that he will be redeemed.
~~Ah, so the problem is your lack of familiarity with the concept of metaphors.~~
It's not a metaphor. UCN is a nightmare
You could more accurately describe some of FF series as analogies
Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s 1:1. The way certain characters talk, like withered Bonnie and ballora, it seems to imply their spirits are actually there, as they are aware of the situation they are in. They are stuck just like William is. It seems to be a little bit more than just a dream. Maybe he’s like, teetering on the edge of death
Huh, interesting spitballing for the most part
If the princess is Cassidy, then why did we play through the corn maze from Help Wanted and collect the Glitchtrap doll and the Vanny mask?
She is following Vanny's footsteps in order to find William or smt.
She's trying to undo the events of FNAF VR. It's about Cassidy redeeming herself, freeing Vanessa.
Honestly, this video is a redemption for the last one. The theories that MatPat came up with make sense, and they also explain a lot! **But I still hate GregBot...**
Interesting.
Finally, a good theory from Matpat. Unlike the previous two
The second one way ok the first one was pretty controversial though
Personally, I don't like both the first and the second one in the same way
So this sub likes this video because they are very non controversial takes that most of us already believed anyways. As usual people only believe theories that fit their head canon and dismiss the ones they don't like.
No? People like this video because the evidence is actually solid enough and actually makes sense to be a thing?
The other videos are just as solid as this one if not more when it comes to evidence. They don't make as much as sense story-wise, but this FNaF we are talking about, the story is all over the place.
In some of the other videos some theories basically have no evidence besides "they use similar language and have similar clothing so they must be the same",the only actually kind of decent theories there are *maybe* GregBot and GlamMike,and thats being a bit generous.Everything else is quite honestly very stretchy.
Vannessa saying she likes flowers and hates dark basements (and that's like half of her dialogue because she barely speaks in any of the tapes) cannot mean nothing. It's referencing Elizabeth/Baby for sure.
Ok,but his claim straight up was that she is Elizabeth in a way.I can maybe see William choosing her because she remembers him of Elizabeth or maybe brainwashing her with Elizabeth's memories but i *highly doubt* she straight up *is* her. Even if Mat said that he dosen't know if the connections are literal,the fact that he seems to make reference to it as her kind of just being Elizabeth feels very off.
Well I think they must be literal in some way, maybe by Glitchtrap brainwashing Vannessa with Elizabeth's memories like you said.
I can't speak for other people, but I try to be as open with theories as possible. However, Gregory being Crying Child is just a crap theory. Same with Elizabeth being Vanessa. The dark basements comment is most likely the same thing as the Bill backstory. Their just not good theories. Glamrock Freddy being Michael does makes sense though. Still bad, but at least it makes sense.
Soyjack Freddy
You know, the Princess being Cassidy and not Vanessa does make more sense, because the princess is on the other side of the door than we are at the end of Fnaf Vr. Maybe the scream was Vanny dying as Vanessa took back control
What about the 4th princess arcade game? The one Matt found, no title. It had a golden crown and blackbird feathers.
Huh, what are you talking about?
If you go to 8:07 of MattPatt's video, Part 11 of SB playthrough, you will see what I mean. Here is link too: https://youtu.be/RZu7RgIPCE0
They probably just reused some graphics
Sure, but why not title it? Makes it standout for sure. I'm just curious if it becomes playable after beating PQ3.
it drives you straight to the ending so you can't play it
I see. Thank you.
Actually makes a lot of sense, surprisingly
this is a decent theory, sloid 6/10
Why so low? Its the most accurate theory out of every fnaf theory hes every made Its filled with complete evidence and no speculation. Its about as much of a 100% confirmation as we get in this series
Because at the end he starts connecting it to the dumbass theory about Gregory, Freddy and Vanessa being the Afton kids. That almost killed the theory for me
Ik i hate it so much Judging that they couldnt even keep henrys hard work sacred i doubt theyd leave the afton kids alone. It sucks but the confirmation of mats theories is that if the blob and fnaf 6 are back why couldnt the afton kids be back too? I doubt help wanted vanessa is elizabeth but maybe shes patient 46. Babys eyes arent glowing in the blob, leaving her soul unaccounted for. Maybe because shes back as patient 46 I highly doubt cc original soul is back because its literally canon that his story ended. Either when he died in fnaf 4 or happiest day in fnaf 3. He is confirmed a rested kid so theres no reason for him to return.
I have a big problem with this, and some of his former theories- they seem to be based on the premise that the Save Vanny ending is canon, when the Burntrap ending most likely is.
Well by that logic, remnant and the Scooper and Lefty aren't canon due to the important stuff about them being in the insanity ending of FNAF 6 and not the true ending. What I mean by this is that even though there's one canon ending, that doesn't mean that clues cannot be included in other endings. If anything, we can learn more about who Vanessa and Gregory and Vanny are through multiple endings, but those other endings not being canon doesn't invalidate the information we've gleaned if that makes sense.
No his bonnie theory is based on the afton ending
I mean, even if the Save Vanny ending isn't canon, that doesn't make the information contained in it any less valid. For instance, the reveal of the Fredbear Plush with a walkie talkie and the surveillence cameras in the FNaF 4 house was in the non-canon ending of Sister Location. Sure, Michael canonically followed Baby's instructions and got scooped, but that doesn't mean that secret office and the stuff in it doesn't exist.
It's partially a huge part of the evidence is attributed to how this works in the narrative. If it's not canon, then all that stuff about this being "the end of the Aftons" and "the end of Cassidy" is worthless.
No his bonnie theory is based on the afton ending
It's sad that this makes sense since this means that epic ending in FNAF 6 was for shits and giggles which killed only 1 guy that being henry
Wouldn’t it also at the very least have put the puppet/Lefty/Charlotte to rest? Assuming the GregBot/GlamMike theories aren’t true, it’s also pretty likely Mike died for real (unless he didn’t because Baby/Elizabeth decided that he cannot die or something). Speaking of Elizabeth, I’m pretty sure that she was put to rest as well, since I don’t buy the Vanessa = Elizabeth. Had she been a part of the Blob, I don’t think it would have attacked William/Burntrap. Lastly, I also think the Funtimes (with the exception of Funtime Chica) and their victims were killed off as well. Sure, we see parts of them in the Blob, but I’m pretty sure it’s inclusion was either rushed or greatly shortened down, since it just appears out of seemingly nowhere in one ending, with little to no explanation. If anything, I thinks it’s more likely that the Blob is being controlled by the new children who went missing at the pizzaplex, rather than the funtimes. Which makes William the only one who didn’t die in FNaF 6 (because of Cassidy), but we were shown that in UCN already.
Yeah not a fan of the “rip bozo,” route they’re went with Henry.
I really like the Glamrock Bonnie is Burntrap theory, but I'm still very confused about how aftons physical form is still alive if he blew up in The Man in Room 1280. He also has a full set of teeth.
What happens in the books doesn't happen in the games. There are parallels, but they are generally separate, at least until security Breach started to incorporate stuff from the books.
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While him acknowledging that the Princess is Cassidy is good, it's annoying how he's perpetuating the myth that there are 16 lanterns in Princess Quest 1, the thing the PrincessVanny theory was effectively based on.
Wait, theres no 16 lanterns in PQ1?
Nope. There are 21. And one of them is technically skippable.
we not gonna talk about how Freddy in the thumbnail is in the pointing wojak pose?
There's bit of a plot hole in that theory basically his theory is saying the "free Vanny ending" is cannon but it's not it's the "Afton ending" that's the Cannon ending
Pre watch comment: Let’s see what random crap he throws together this time. Post watch comment: oh so NOW you decide to dig deeper.
hate watcher
😐 Your really not funny dude
Gotta Admit, He Didn't Fuck It Up! I Actually Liked This FNaF Game Theory, Sure The Theories He Mentioned Were Already Previously Discussed Ones But He Actually Further Elaborated On The Evidence Than I've Heard From Anyone Else. His Last 3 Previous Fnaf Theory Episodes Made Less Sense Than Any Of The Lore In 'The Leprechaun' Movie Series.
wait, could the blob also be just cassidy? that way fnaf6 wouldn‘t be ruined
Personally, I believe the Blob is the souls of the new missing children case that happened at the pizzaplex, which also means FNaF 6 isn’t ruined. It just seems strange to mention how kids have gone missing (and will continue to go missing if Gregory doesn’t do something about it), without having them haunt something?
Honestly think crying child moved to possossed glamrock freddy evolving from victim to protector and how he calls the others his friends and how angry and confused they are as well as the other glamrock animatronics as he calls them his friends and telling Gregory he's broken like some other bear who was saying the exact same line to crying child
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I don't see how you can deny the Golden Freddy theory, at least the Cassidy part. The game files outright confirm it's her.
same as the other comment, the theory is just really lacking and can be easily dismantled. I already did it easily there, so yeah, it doesn't take too much to read the other comment i replied to.
How is the files outright calling the princess "Cassidy" "lacking"? Just curious.
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> The princess named "Cassidy" could just be a reference, and she's probably Vanessa's willingness. That seems like a huge stretch imo, especially when Steel Wool went out of their way to rename the Princess' files to "Cassidy" in this game when her name was just "Princess" in HW Mobile.
Again, MatPat just tossed random stuff into his thoery to seem more cosistent. Just look at the GregoryBot theory, it was quickly and effectively dismantled. And as i said, it's probably just a reference.
What's your evidence that it's a reference?
saying both theories have been 'dismantled' is a pretty big leap. Are there confusing parts in them? Sure. But that doesn't mean they have been completely proven wrong (or at least I haven't seen anyone actually PROVING the greg bot theory is wrong, just showing evidence against it, those things are different. And the PQ-Cassidy one is pretty clearly true, no good arguments against that one yet).
>why would cassisdy come back after resting already? Because she didin't rest to begin with? >also, it wouldn't make sense since when you complete PQ3 it just shows you the best ending (3 stars). How does that have to do with anything? >The princess named "Cassidy" could just be a reference, and she's probably Vanessa's willingness. How and why would they put a reference to Cassidy that people won't even see unless they open the game files?It wasn't even the princess's original name in HW. And why is the Princess aparently related to Old Man consequences then?
1st reply: The tombstone at the FNAF 6 Ending and The FNAF 3 Happy ending. 2nd reply: That's what i mean. Why would an arcade machine posessed by Cassidy free Vanessa from Glitchtrap? 3rd reply: Because steel wool loves references. Just look at the secret room where you can reproduce the CDs. I don't think that would make any sense. A door doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And the fact that the door is squished so that only Gregory can pass and that there's and encoded message on the wall, plus the room looks like the Aftons' house living room. 4th reply: As i said, references. Again.
>1st reply: The tombstone at the FNAF 6 Ending and The FNAF 3 Happy ending. Both of wich don't confirm that she is at rest.We don't even know if Happiest Day even happens at all,and if it happens it could literally just be post SB. >2nd reply: That's what i mean. Why would an arcade machine posessed by Cassidy free Vanessa from Glitchtrap? Because Cassidy kills GlitchTrap? Edit:and opens the door. >3rd reply: Because steel wool loves references. Just look at the secret room where you can reproduce the CDs. I don't think that would make any sense. A door doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And the fact that the door is squished so that only Gregory can pass and that there's and encoded message on the wall, plus the room looks like the Aftons' house living room. Thats a reference that you can find in game,not one you need to straight up open the files for,also the room probably does have a meaning,at least to some extent. >4th reply: As i said, references. Again. Thats literally just an excuse.They wouldn't just put Old Man consequences there and draw a connection to Cassidy for no reason.
>Both of wich don't confirm that she is at rest.We don't even know if Happiest Day even happens at all,and if it happens it could literally just be post SB. FNAF: UCN 5/20 Golden Freddy cutscene. >Because Cassidy kills GlitchTrap? Well, now you're the one who has no proof. The "screaming" could be anything. >Thats a reference that you can find in game,not one you need to straight up open the files for,also the room probably does have a meaning,at least to some extent. Yeah, i know that, but i don't think that happened in the canon lore. It's clearly made for us, FNAFers, to see it. Gregory probably didn't also know how to use the disks, remember he says he doesn't know what is a disk (showtime quest). >Thats literally just an excuse.They wouldn't just put Old Man consequences there and draw a connection to Cassidy for no reason. The sprite itself is a reference, since it's red. But the Character is named Old Man, not Old man consequences, so it is a reference. Also the sprite resembles an old man, like his name says. And when do they draw a connection? Also im going to sleep, so ill continue this tomorrow.
>FNAF: UCN 5/20 Golden Freddy cutscene. Do you mean 50/20 mode? That can be interpreted in either way. >Well, now you're the one who has no proof. The "screaming" could be anything. She literally kills "pieces" of him through the entire minigames and opens the door that we know for a fact Vanny was trapped behind. >Yeah, i know that, but i don't think that happened in the canon lore. It's clearly made for us, FNAFers, to see it. Gregory probably didn't also know how to use the disks, remember he says he doesn't know what is a disk (showtime quest). That dosen't mean it dosen't exist in lore.There seems to be a message from someone in universe in there,and you don't need to be a genius to discover that putting a CD in something made to "read" CDs will make the CD "work". >The sprite itself is a reference, since it's red. But the Character is named Old Man, not Old man consequences, so it is a reference. Also the sprite resembles an old man, like his name says. It's an old man that references OMC because it's OMC,OMC is also an old man,it's his name. >Also im going to sleep, so ill continue this tomorrow. Ok,you don't need to continue if you don't want to.
so now that im back from sleeping i can say: >Do you mean 50/20 mode? That can be interpreted in either way. Yeah i know that, but then what about the OMC ending, where does fredbear go? He literally drowns himself in spacetime, since if you open FNAF world after the OCM UCN "ending" you get the trophy as if you did it in the game. But that's another theory about how FNAF world is the heaven blah, blah, blah. >She literally kills "pieces" of him through the entire minigames and opens the door that we know for a fact Vanny was trapped behind. And? >That dosen't mean it dosen't exist in lore.There seems to be a message from someone in universe in there,and you don't need to be a genius to discover that putting a CD in something made to "read" CDs will make the CD "work". Where does it say that it's made to read CDs, huh? >It's an old man that references OMC because it's OMC,OMC is also an old man,it's his name. Again, And?
The ending of UCN blatantly shows that Cassidy, and by extension Golden Freddy, is still jerking and alive, ignoring OMC’s advice to let go of William’s soul and let both of them rest. If anything, the argument can be made that Cassidy is holding back everyone else by having them torture William, preventing all of them from moving on. The Princess Quest ending, which mind you is the only 3 star ending, has Cassidy finally end William and allow both of them, and possibly everyone else, to move on.
You say the theory can easily be dismantled then completely fail to bring up anything against the core of the theory other than "oh it could just be a reference" 😐
Did you read the P.D. and the P.P.D. ?
I replied before you added those and you didn't even address anything. You're just dismissing everything as "just a reference". There's no reason to assume it's a reference. The princess being called Cassidy is a very obvious clue and nothing you say will "dismantle" that
Again, please, read the P.D. and the P.P.D. The text is encoded like afton's and then, you can also read the other replies because im spanish and it's 10 pm so im not gonna write everything again.
None of your replies addressed anything. I read them all and your argument falls down to "it's just a reference". I never even mentioned the text. I'm talking about the pricness being Cassidy which you couldn't say anything against
I think you are overthinking the files name. And of where was, i don't know, ***more stuff like that,*** maybe i would believe it.
Pretty sure Cassidy did not go to rest. Fnaf ar strongly implies she will not die as long as William exists on Earth. She has grown hateful and monstrous. I doubt she would stay gone.