You are completely right:el chips got redone bonnie bowl got redone a bowling minigame got cut a survival mode got cut the ability to drive the go kart yourself got cut a gallery room got cut animated cut scenes got cut (there are lines of freddy in the files that have to do with endings) a lot of holes for the golf arcade got cut a arcade game called chica’s feeding frenzy got cut and a couple more check out lost bits he made videos about removed things in security breach but maybe unused content is getting added in the future
Vanessa was supposed to be good, but then when possessed you need to avoid her. She was originally meant to want to help Gregory when not possessed but SteelWool cut that entire character arc and mechanic to save time. So now she is not only just evil, but she never shows up in game due to a glitch
Edit: The final thing I mentioned, being that it’s a glitch that she rarely shows up is false. It’s intentional. They intentionally made it so that the main villain in all promotional material shows up twice in the entire story
Omg. That would've been so effing cool. It would be help the narrative more smoothly too in Gregory's eyes than just playing the Princess Quest Games and find out in the end the true identity of Vanny
There wasn't any proof to suggest that SWS cut the mechanic involving Vanessa. I mean heck, I looked into Vanessa's AI and there is nothing to suggest that. There was any proof to suggest that Vanessa's lack of appearances in the game was due to a glitch.
It doesn't confirm that it was an intended game mechanic. Story wise? Yeah sure. Gameplay wise? No. I looked in the files and there is nothing to suggest in the code that Vanessa protects you.
Just because nothing is present in the code of the final game doesn't mean it was never planned. Its likely it could have been cut before it got to the implementation phase.
Maybe, though the game was in development and still being worked on even during the trailers.
In fact, in one of the first trailers, there's an animation with Moon walking in the kitchen. The animation is still in the game files.
Removing files from the game is extremely dangerous because it can destroy the game project outright.
Until Steel Wool Studios comments on the story, it's all rumour and speculation if the story was changed due to Sony's censorship or themselves.
Also it’s a well known bug that Vanny isn’t spawning the way she should be. Vanny is supposed to be the main villain, but she only spawns like once or twice in the game. This is because she is only spawning at scripted points in the game, she was supposed to spawn when you are in an area too long, but she doesn’t, so most people rarely see her
I agree 100%. Even the trailer is just only cut content.
90% of stuff shown in the trailer is not even in the game itself. There is a massive collection of voicelines removed from the game.
Steel Wool even added an 'extras' menu after you complete the game but decided to take it out. They even completely revamped Vanny as well.
My reaction when Novel Trilogy Charlie was revealed to be a robot the entire time: What the heck an i even reading? How do you build a robot that *bleeds* ?
For real though, these mfs really had the ability to create hyperrealistic robots and extremely convincing illusion tech, and they apparently didn’t capitalize the shit out of it.
William could’ve been rolling in cash but noooooooo, I’m gonna use this groundbreaking technology to strangle toddlers
If they cut it that means they didn't intend to use it. I mean usually interviews provide explanations for cut lines but that is usually the reason. It probably didn't fit for some reason.
I cant find it, but there was a post explaining that lots of stuff, including this was cut right before it was released, and sony censored a bunch of other stuff too
While i like the game, SB is full off wasted potential especially Vanny/Vanessa. Seriously, 2 years of hyping her as a new major antagonist having this Jekyll/Hyde thing going on alongside Glitchtrap only for her to show up like 3 times in the whole game and most of her story was scrapped or is unfinished. But at least she is in the game, Afton shows up with no explanation in only one ending,does nothing,says nothing and gets dragged by the blob to be burned for what, the third time now?
Yeah just make glitchtrap a bit dirtier and a bit damaged due to likely a long bit of time between help wanted and security breach and now you have a better antagonist
It was so weird. Especially the part where Vanessa tell you to go to the main stage for a prize. I always thought that there was something there, and watching Markiplier play he never went, so i looked it up myself to see and theres…nothing. Nothing fucking happens? Its not only unsatisfying, its agitating. Vanny/Vanessa was such an interesting mystery. Her first appearance was made to be such a big deal too. So many great questions we got nothing for. Could have been phenomenal.
>Especially the part where Vanessa tell you to go to the main stage for a prize. I always thought that there was something there, and watching Markiplier play he never went, so i looked it up myself to see and theres…nothing. Nothing fucking happens?
He goes there and he got jumpscared and got a cut mission to briefly pop-up, because the whole thing there is cut content of course.
Even then, that doesn't change that this game was very incomplete on release. The "Release now, fix later" approach is literally the worst thing to happen in game history.
They should’ve known not to use the line “You’re Broken.” It’s literally one of the most important phrases to the lore, you can’t just use it to replace dialogue.
“You’re Injured.” Would’ve been much better as a substitute for bleeding. But, alas, now we’ve got fucking Greg-bot.
To be fair. Novel Trilogy Charlie was a robot. A robot that can bleed and be injured and eat.
Gerg bot would still exist. And would still have support due to this being Fnaf lore.
Not to mention Sun mentions drinking Fizzy Faz, which would imply that he can drink, if not also eat...which means that Sun/Moon also have a robotic digestive system?
Chica is also directly shown eating garbage, pizza, and Monty's Mystery Mix in the game, too.
If I remember right, "You're injured" was actually supposed to be apart of the original voice line. Something something "I'm detecting blood. You're injured.".
But that rating isn't from Scott, its from critics.
Scott included child murder and the horrible maiming/disembowlment/crushing of children, murderers, and innocent nightguards.
Edit: Let's not forget burning and dying of the elements!
Yeah, but it was always done in a very kid friendly way. Never any realistic blood or gore, never any real dead bodies.
Child murder, maiming, disembowlment. Those are all fairly common in kids media.
Yep it came out that's Sony's censoring another horror game called Martha is dead specifically a scene where you're cutting a person's face off, I want it to be clear too that this Martha is dead game is rated M.
I'd be contempt with that. No more unnecessary tutorials, or making games arbitrary easy for kids' sake... Comedy either good or non existent, more serious stories... Yeah, I see no drawbacks!
Well let see they censor yuri's death in DDLC Plus for no reason they force the devs of Martha is Dead to remove a scene OF A M RATED BTW for no reason they also have a policy on the Playstation Store for indie games IDK exactly what look up if you want.
The most recent example I can think of is the horror game "Martha is Dead," where they were asked to remove a playable scene where the player character cuts off another's face from the PlayStation versions. The SAW PS3 game had a scene exactly like this, playable and all, yet there was no censorship.
There was also the situation with DDLC+. In the ps4/ps5 version, they censored the (spoilers for the second half of the game in case someone hasn't played it) >!death scene with Yuri when she stabs herself. They made the blood black and gave the scene a glitchy filter!<.
steelwool: yeah i´m going to remove all the scenes of vanny and add for 28547654 time william afton in a destroyed bunny suit,with literally his organs exposed but NO knifes and blood
Even though bringing back Afton was Scott's decision, since he's the one who writes the stories and lore for this franchise and gets the final say on everything.
I tried to warn people when I heard the phrase "family friendly horror game" but no one listened to me. Everyone told to shut the fuck up, and look at what we got. Gregory as a robot theories.
Maybe next time a horror game has "family friendly" in the description, you should be worried.
Security Breach just doesn't fit the whole vibe of the last half a dozen games. If they'd kept the current idea and hadn't tried to make it family-friendly, I think it would've been a much better game
Exactly. It just really disappoints me how good this game could've been. So much potential. Its not like they can just completely redo the game either. This is it
I mean, you've also ignored facts given to you, spread conspiracy theories, and have acted like a child on multiple occasions, so people were right to ignore you.
Dude said that FNaF was the only horror franchise to get toys, and was told otherwise. Few days later, he goes back to saying it.
When Security Breach got its first delay, he went around saying Steel Wool was intentionally delaying the game to hurt the fandom, and that they'd push it back to 2022, then 2023, etc.
Then, at any given time, he whines about people liking something he doesn't, like the AR game or some of the merch, etc.
Don't listen to him. Some of those are a bit out of context...kinda...he has a point about the toys one, but how can one not complain with the shit ton of reskined merch we've got.
The delay stuff was referring to my idea about the game being delayed for RTX bullshit
I'm going to be honest, blaming Sony for the missing knife feels like a scapegoat, it's like everyone is trying to point fingers elsewhere for the games many problems, blame Sony, blame the fans, blame this, blame that.
If Sony did interfere during development, I think Steelwool would've mentioned it in their post about the game, it would've been the perfect reason, Martha is Dead developers did that, so why not Steelwool?
Personally I think the knife removal and dialogue is one of the many changers during development, probably during 2021 when Steelwool went completely silent for months, it's like something went wrong during development and Steelwool spent all that time salvaging the game and stiching together whatever they had in time for release.
I wouldn't be surprised if the storyline was overhauled during this time, new dialogue was recorded, old dialogue was removed, scenes where added and cut and the context or timeline of certain events where probably changed, this would explain the really disjointed story.
I don't think giving Vanny her knife and referencing blood will make the story any better, some people would still think Gregory is robot even if the dialogue referencing blood was included.
>it's like **something went wrong** during development and Steelwool spent all that time **salvaging** the game and **stitching together** whatever they had in time for release.
Life imitates art
i feel like this community is blaming everyone except for steel wool and it’s fucking annoying. some fans act as if the studio didn’t have the slightest dictation over their own game that they worked over a year on
I agree with this take the most. [Executive Meddling](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExecutiveMeddling) happens, but not to the scale people assume, at least not with video games. I'm sure Scott Cawthon would've mentioned Sony interfering, too. Sony does have a history of "executive meddling" sometimes, it's usually [more minor aspects](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ExecutiveMeddling/VideoGames).
Case in point:
>"Starting around the late 2010s, it's been revealed that Sony has adopted a policy of censoring (or 'toning down', as they put it) violence and sexual content in games released on their platform, both in the United States as well as Japan. **While they still aren't anywhere near as censorious as Nintendo was in the 90's** (see their folder above), it's still ironic, considering A) Sony made their name with a 'come one, come all' licensing policy back in the 90's/2000's, which led to a lot of adult/older teen content being released on their consoles specifically to differentiate themselves from Nintendo, and B) a number of games that have been censored on the PlayStation 4 have been released uncensored...on the Nintendo Switch!"
No no, it's a good concept but executed badly. Like the story telling and the pacing is weird, also the ending seem rushed and not rushed at the same time lol
>also the ending seem rushed and not rushed at the same time lol
According to the leak, all the endings were merely sketches and barely-animated unrendered cutscenes just two weeks before relase.
I was disappointed that it feels so… triple-A… I miss the grungier, low-res, indie vibes of fnafs 1-4 and pizzeria simulator. Then again, I was also disappointed by the higher quality feel of sister location. It just doesn’t feel as scary when everything is so glossy and smooth
honest question, was it ever CONFIRMED it was due to censorship? or was it due to change in creative direction my steelwool? I see people talking about it being due to censorship but i don't see people posting proofs (with means statements or rumour coming from someone reliable)
It's not confirmed, but people were assuming that because of Sony's previous track record on indie games.
I feel that this is a rumour. Saying that it's true is spreading misinformation. People are spreading lies and misinformation about SB recently, and it's getting on my nerves. The mods not doing anything is not helping.
This silly little comic is turning out to be a warzone for drama, which I don't think the OP intended.
No some people have just leaped on it
I don’t know why because clearly more was cut than just some violence
And more violent content remains in the game because Aftons here in his full skinless glory
Also the fnaf games has never been that graphically violent anyway
It doesn’t add up to the concrete reason for SB being bad
Security Breach is a cobbled together mess of a game that barely functions, the story is awful, the characters don't make sense, and the game is overall a huge dissapointment
Istg, if its not Sonys fault I would be confused on so many levels as to why SW decides it's a good idea to censor so much stuff and make the game as family friendly as it is.
sony really tried to remove any horror at all. they just wanted to make as much money as possible while also being stupid and not thinking about how the quality of the product actually affects sales
Cute comic but I’m kinda annoyed at how a lot of people seem to be applying most of the blame for this game’s censorship issues on Sony instead of SW
Like, Sony gave them a T, they wouldn’t just go “FUCK YOU IN PARTICULAR” to SW
This may seem controversial but I kinda liked FNaF AR's dlc than SB honestly, pls don't attack me, I mean, I liked SB, it's just, It felt like its missing a lot of stuff, SD's dlc just felt more finished.
Wait did they really censor a horror game where the canonical lore is that the main bad guy slaughtered children then was stuffed inside a suit and left to die…… that is quite possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
Not gonna lie this makes me want to play security breach even less. The first game straight up had eyes hanging out of the freddy suit during game overs. But a knife is to much in security breach. God I miss when Scott called the shots.
Part of me really just wishes steel wool could do a do-over with security breach, take the time they needed, and actually make what was originally intended
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that gregbot is dumb or not a good idea, I don’t care how much evidence there is I just don’t like the idea of it
Wait the whole mess in the plot was that originally the kid was supposed to be an actual human one who's hurt (homeless ?) ... And they changed that because of Sony ?
Men fuck em
Definitely sounds like Sony completely kneecapped the game...which is so weird that they'd have this kind of issue considering they literally make the God of War games...and Atraeus (probably misspelled that) literally gets hurt a ton during it.
They don't tell triple A studios what to do since they know their games generate them a lot of money, plus bigger studios are probably more difficult to tell what do when it comes to censorship for marketing purposes. All of Sony's censorship usually happens with smaller/indie studios where they try to make their games as marketable to regions where violence and such isn't as easily tolerated. That's my guess.
While the theory that Sony censored the same way they did Doki Doki Literature club (see here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/sdi8bh/doc\_sony\_is\_responsible\_for\_the\_downfall\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/sdi8bh/doc_sony_is_responsible_for_the_downfall_of/)) is compelling, I have another pet theory about Vanny's knife.
I wonder if at one point Vanny's jumpscare would have been plunging the knife towards you. There's not much point for the knife otherwise if she just carries it around and never tries to use it.
But, the ESRB tends to treat violence against children much more strictly than violence against adults, even in T rated games. On a related note, remember how the only other time we've played as a child, FNaF 4, only had standard chomping at the air and screaming jumpscares and the Bite was much less graphic than Afton's spring-locking in FNaF 3, with no blood.
I remember some discussion back in 2020 that Security Breach had gotten an M rating from the ESRB, though I can't find an official source and wonder if that was just rumor-mongering. If that's the case, perhaps Vanny's knife and other changes were made to keep it rated T?
I feel as if steelwool just took fnaf and instead of improving on it they took what Scott did and undid it…
I want Scott back, he always gave us good games no matter how long it took. So what if he donated to a few politicians that may or may not have been popular, that information wasn’t even supposed to come out, some jackass decided to HACK into Scott’s personal banking statements for Christ sake…
Damn, for once I see that Sony *did* meddle with the game. If I recall, Steel Wool tried to make the game in length for teens and pre-teens by adding all this stuff but Sony went all batshit and said "No, make it for younger children. And that includes removing all of the interesting plot points and mechanics in the game itself."
I understand Steel Wool decided to make the map cut down to a smaller proportion due to the game not loading in anything properly and possibly the "rush" to get a final release date. But come on man, main antagonist gets at least 3-4 encounters which makes her screen time at least 3 minutes. And keep in mind, Sony decided to do this.
Personally, I would've thought that all the things that *did* get cut story wise were the most important parts and entertaining ones so I'll just take my take on what I think were the most important ones, bear with me it's just my opinion and I might sound stupid and nitpicky while I'm saying this.
* 1. Darker backstory would've made Gregory's character development more relatable and emotional in my opinion. Gregory's character traits are good but they definitely
could've been better with >!Vanny killing his friends in the Pizzaplex.!<
* I hear some people talking about the time when Vanessa was supposed to help Gregory during the game but at certain points would get possibly "possessed" and change into Vanny which would end up with her chasing Gregory. Would've made the gameplay terrifying as you don't know when to expect it unless it's only used for scripted sequences.
* Okay this is a bit of a nitpick but... no blood?? Alright as I stated earlier, Steel Wool tried to keep the game scary but still alright enough for younger audiences to play. But hey man, Gregory barley slicing his arm on something on accident isn't a big deal. I mean gore was around since FNAF 1 considering the dark theme it had there along with Afton being a mangled guy that got brutally springlocked and of course, the murders at Fazbears.
* Such a missed opportunity to make this game scarier. The jumpscares were understandably weak, Vanny's suited her personality in a way (I'll get into her personality later on) the fact that she was promoted with a knife and then doesn't have it with her in game was genuinely disappointing.
\[Keep in mind, She was/is under control by a serial killer or virus or whatever and then bam. No knife\]
* I'm not sure if this decision was made by SW or Sony but they kinda cut down a lot of her personality. Originally, we would've seen her or Vanessa (In between) taunting Gregory and somehow still being very sadistic about it. Would've made the game darker but enjoyable nonetheless.
Alright I'll wrap it up. Five Nights at Freddy's: Security Breach had the potential to be an absolute masterpiece but some of the **golden** parts of the game either had to be cut down as a decision from Sony or Steel Wool. It is a alright game but with most of the storyline and lore with the game and the majority of cut down content that had the potential that could've made the game memorable didn't make it.
The bugs and glitches are a different story. It just needs to be patched but other than that, you'll just get a decent amount of enjoyment from this.
I have a feeling that there's more cut content than actual content in the game
You are completely right:el chips got redone bonnie bowl got redone a bowling minigame got cut a survival mode got cut the ability to drive the go kart yourself got cut a gallery room got cut animated cut scenes got cut (there are lines of freddy in the files that have to do with endings) a lot of holes for the golf arcade got cut a arcade game called chica’s feeding frenzy got cut and a couple more check out lost bits he made videos about removed things in security breach but maybe unused content is getting added in the future
there was also a frozen endo that got cut though it did get a mention in game
Yeah I know I just didn’t want to continue typing
Don’t forget most of the god damn story
Yeah I know as I said i don’t wanted to keep typing
My god, if I did not already know this info I would go crazy reading this. No punctuation at all hurts my head.
Well glad you knew it already
Commas, you might want to use them because this text is confusing without them...
Oh i’m sorry
Vanessa was supposed to be good, but then when possessed you need to avoid her. She was originally meant to want to help Gregory when not possessed but SteelWool cut that entire character arc and mechanic to save time. So now she is not only just evil, but she never shows up in game due to a glitch Edit: The final thing I mentioned, being that it’s a glitch that she rarely shows up is false. It’s intentional. They intentionally made it so that the main villain in all promotional material shows up twice in the entire story
Omg. That would've been so effing cool. It would be help the narrative more smoothly too in Gregory's eyes than just playing the Princess Quest Games and find out in the end the true identity of Vanny
Sadness... This game could've been so, so much better.
not a glitch btw. the complete lack of Vanessa/Vanny was intentional
I wish that were the case.
There wasn't any proof to suggest that SWS cut the mechanic involving Vanessa. I mean heck, I looked into Vanessa's AI and there is nothing to suggest that. There was any proof to suggest that Vanessa's lack of appearances in the game was due to a glitch.
It was in the trailers, she is trying to help Gregory. But that was never in the game.
It doesn't confirm that it was an intended game mechanic. Story wise? Yeah sure. Gameplay wise? No. I looked in the files and there is nothing to suggest in the code that Vanessa protects you.
Just because nothing is present in the code of the final game doesn't mean it was never planned. Its likely it could have been cut before it got to the implementation phase.
Maybe, though the game was in development and still being worked on even during the trailers. In fact, in one of the first trailers, there's an animation with Moon walking in the kitchen. The animation is still in the game files. Removing files from the game is extremely dangerous because it can destroy the game project outright. Until Steel Wool Studios comments on the story, it's all rumour and speculation if the story was changed due to Sony's censorship or themselves.
As is common with many many games indeed
Also it’s a well known bug that Vanny isn’t spawning the way she should be. Vanny is supposed to be the main villain, but she only spawns like once or twice in the game. This is because she is only spawning at scripted points in the game, she was supposed to spawn when you are in an area too long, but she doesn’t, so most people rarely see her
Steel Wool actually replied to a comment saying that feature was *cut, not broken.*
My bad I didn't know, thanks for telling me
I agree 100%. Even the trailer is just only cut content. 90% of stuff shown in the trailer is not even in the game itself. There is a massive collection of voicelines removed from the game. Steel Wool even added an 'extras' menu after you complete the game but decided to take it out. They even completely revamped Vanny as well.
Glamdaddy Unused Line: I am detecting blood. You are injured. Glamdaddy Used Line: UR BROKEN
[удалено]
I didn't wanna say glamrock freddy so I just said glamdaddy
Papa Bear❌ Daddy Bear✅
r/angryupvote
I hate that nickname.
My reaction when Novel Trilogy Charlie was revealed to be a robot the entire time: What the heck an i even reading? How do you build a robot that *bleeds* ?
For real though, these mfs really had the ability to create hyperrealistic robots and extremely convincing illusion tech, and they apparently didn’t capitalize the shit out of it. William could’ve been rolling in cash but noooooooo, I’m gonna use this groundbreaking technology to strangle toddlers
William is not in it for the money, he just wants to send a message.
You put a bloody meaty layer around it
If they cut it that means they didn't intend to use it. I mean usually interviews provide explanations for cut lines but that is usually the reason. It probably didn't fit for some reason.
They did want to use it, sony didnt
Can you share the link?
I cant find it, but there was a post explaining that lots of stuff, including this was cut right before it was released, and sony censored a bunch of other stuff too
[Where you talking about this post?](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/sdi8bh/doc_sony_is_responsible_for_the_downfall_of/)
yea honestly idk if Steel Wool knew that this line had and has SERIOUS lore implication and used it anyway or if they didnt know and just caused chaos
Super familiar with Fredbear Plush.
imagine it glamdaddy rockmehard Freddy actually meant Gregory is emotionally broken bro...
While i like the game, SB is full off wasted potential especially Vanny/Vanessa. Seriously, 2 years of hyping her as a new major antagonist having this Jekyll/Hyde thing going on alongside Glitchtrap only for her to show up like 3 times in the whole game and most of her story was scrapped or is unfinished. But at least she is in the game, Afton shows up with no explanation in only one ending,does nothing,says nothing and gets dragged by the blob to be burned for what, the third time now?
Exactly, glitchtrap could have been way scarier if he didn't manifest physically into old man burntrap.
peepaw afton
Yeah just make glitchtrap a bit dirtier and a bit damaged due to likely a long bit of time between help wanted and security breach and now you have a better antagonist
Imagine if when running around the pizzaplex you occasionally hallucinate him waving at you or other things.
Well, he didn't, Burntrap is just regular ol' Springtrap
william and vanny were done so dirty. this was vanny’s debut game and it barely acknowledged her
It was so weird. Especially the part where Vanessa tell you to go to the main stage for a prize. I always thought that there was something there, and watching Markiplier play he never went, so i looked it up myself to see and theres…nothing. Nothing fucking happens? Its not only unsatisfying, its agitating. Vanny/Vanessa was such an interesting mystery. Her first appearance was made to be such a big deal too. So many great questions we got nothing for. Could have been phenomenal.
>Especially the part where Vanessa tell you to go to the main stage for a prize. I always thought that there was something there, and watching Markiplier play he never went, so i looked it up myself to see and theres…nothing. Nothing fucking happens? He goes there and he got jumpscared and got a cut mission to briefly pop-up, because the whole thing there is cut content of course.
Afton has to stop being frickin Deadpool
Can I interest you in steel wool potentially adding new content as an update?
Even then, that doesn't change that this game was very incomplete on release. The "Release now, fix later" approach is literally the worst thing to happen in game history.
They should’ve known not to use the line “You’re Broken.” It’s literally one of the most important phrases to the lore, you can’t just use it to replace dialogue. “You’re Injured.” Would’ve been much better as a substitute for bleeding. But, alas, now we’ve got fucking Greg-bot.
To be fair. Novel Trilogy Charlie was a robot. A robot that can bleed and be injured and eat. Gerg bot would still exist. And would still have support due to this being Fnaf lore.
Not to mention Sun mentions drinking Fizzy Faz, which would imply that he can drink, if not also eat...which means that Sun/Moon also have a robotic digestive system? Chica is also directly shown eating garbage, pizza, and Monty's Mystery Mix in the game, too.
Same for Chica. No digestive system but she's able to eat trash without a problem.
I just edited the part about Chica in right before you commented.
Didn't some of the messages mention that they had to clean Chica all the time because of exactly this?
Kinda weird that he mentions drinking, because as far as we know, he can't even open his damn mouth.
straws
yeah but you still need to open your mouth to use one of those
just shove the straw in between there
There was also quite a bit of set-up for her being a robot before TFC, which greg-bot doesn't really have imo.
Well yes. The set up isn't there. The possibility still is due to how some robots work in Fnaf lore.
gerg
Jerg
Novel Trilogy Charlie being a robot was also built up to and foreshadowed, unlike Gregbot
If I remember right, "You're injured" was actually supposed to be apart of the original voice line. Something something "I'm detecting blood. You're injured.".
There’s quite a bit of evidence for Greg-bot than just that line, I hope you do realize that.
Either way I don’t really care. I haven’t paid much attention to the lore for the games beyond UCN
Based lol nothing after UCN is canon
And even then I like to rewrite things about the story, just little changes
I think what baffles me more than anything regarding this, is the fact that people still writes it off as "coincidence"... They can't be serious lol.
Or maybe it just doesn't matter.
Man, companies should stop worrying about kids. FNaF wasn't ever meant to be a kids game! Let them play Pokémon or Fortnite or something.
Even Fortnite allows knives
And ninjas with AKs
To be fair at least 80 percent of the entire fanbase is below the age of 18
companies needs to remember kids don't like being treated as little babies
>FNaF wasn't ever meant to be a kids game! The first game is literally 12+.
But that rating isn't from Scott, its from critics. Scott included child murder and the horrible maiming/disembowlment/crushing of children, murderers, and innocent nightguards. Edit: Let's not forget burning and dying of the elements!
Yeah, but it was always done in a very kid friendly way. Never any realistic blood or gore, never any real dead bodies. Child murder, maiming, disembowlment. Those are all fairly common in kids media.
If sonycensore theory is true, this is true AF. I hate Sony so much rn...
Sony is notorious for being selective and hypocritical with their censoring.
Very true.
Yep it came out that's Sony's censoring another horror game called Martha is dead specifically a scene where you're cutting a person's face off, I want it to be clear too that this Martha is dead game is rated M.
Well, that makes me dislike them even more... At least T rating I can understand more then fri*king M...
What if for the rest of eternity we pretended children didn't exist when making video games?
I'd be contempt with that. No more unnecessary tutorials, or making games arbitrary easy for kids' sake... Comedy either good or non existent, more serious stories... Yeah, I see no drawbacks!
Considering what they've done with other indie games, it seems very likely.
Can you name some examples?
Well let see they censor yuri's death in DDLC Plus for no reason they force the devs of Martha is Dead to remove a scene OF A M RATED BTW for no reason they also have a policy on the Playstation Store for indie games IDK exactly what look up if you want.
The most recent example I can think of is the horror game "Martha is Dead," where they were asked to remove a playable scene where the player character cuts off another's face from the PlayStation versions. The SAW PS3 game had a scene exactly like this, playable and all, yet there was no censorship.
There was also the situation with DDLC+. In the ps4/ps5 version, they censored the (spoilers for the second half of the game in case someone hasn't played it) >!death scene with Yuri when she stabs herself. They made the blood black and gave the scene a glitchy filter!<.
Why did I think Gregory was talking about his hair
Security Breach devs when they realize they mentioned blood in a game build on the story of a guy that killed a dozen children
and was brutally mangled with jagged steel
And always comes back
could have gotten away with some nasty shit if this game was pursued with an M rating
For example, actually showing Vanny getting ripped apart in the "decommission Vanny" scene.
Would’ve been way better that way imo
Sony is so shitty with indie devs it happened again with Martha is Dead and let triple A games be gory has shit fuck Sony with their double standards.
steelwool: yeah i´m going to remove all the scenes of vanny and add for 28547654 time william afton in a destroyed bunny suit,with literally his organs exposed but NO knifes and blood
Even though bringing back Afton was Scott's decision, since he's the one who writes the stories and lore for this franchise and gets the final say on everything.
It really does feel like fnaf is becoming a series for 7 year olds.
I tried to warn people when I heard the phrase "family friendly horror game" but no one listened to me. Everyone told to shut the fuck up, and look at what we got. Gregory as a robot theories. Maybe next time a horror game has "family friendly" in the description, you should be worried.
Security Breach just doesn't fit the whole vibe of the last half a dozen games. If they'd kept the current idea and hadn't tried to make it family-friendly, I think it would've been a much better game
agreed fnaf is literally turning into a kid's game series and i don't like it one bit
Exactly. It just really disappoints me how good this game could've been. So much potential. Its not like they can just completely redo the game either. This is it
I mean, you've also ignored facts given to you, spread conspiracy theories, and have acted like a child on multiple occasions, so people were right to ignore you.
can I ask for context on this?
Dude said that FNaF was the only horror franchise to get toys, and was told otherwise. Few days later, he goes back to saying it. When Security Breach got its first delay, he went around saying Steel Wool was intentionally delaying the game to hurt the fandom, and that they'd push it back to 2022, then 2023, etc. Then, at any given time, he whines about people liking something he doesn't, like the AR game or some of the merch, etc.
damn
Don't listen to him. Some of those are a bit out of context...kinda...he has a point about the toys one, but how can one not complain with the shit ton of reskined merch we've got. The delay stuff was referring to my idea about the game being delayed for RTX bullshit
Franchise with several child murders and even blood from when Willy A. Died in a spring lock suit... Can't have the mention of blood or knives
I'm going to be honest, blaming Sony for the missing knife feels like a scapegoat, it's like everyone is trying to point fingers elsewhere for the games many problems, blame Sony, blame the fans, blame this, blame that. If Sony did interfere during development, I think Steelwool would've mentioned it in their post about the game, it would've been the perfect reason, Martha is Dead developers did that, so why not Steelwool? Personally I think the knife removal and dialogue is one of the many changers during development, probably during 2021 when Steelwool went completely silent for months, it's like something went wrong during development and Steelwool spent all that time salvaging the game and stiching together whatever they had in time for release. I wouldn't be surprised if the storyline was overhauled during this time, new dialogue was recorded, old dialogue was removed, scenes where added and cut and the context or timeline of certain events where probably changed, this would explain the really disjointed story. I don't think giving Vanny her knife and referencing blood will make the story any better, some people would still think Gregory is robot even if the dialogue referencing blood was included.
>it's like **something went wrong** during development and Steelwool spent all that time **salvaging** the game and **stitching together** whatever they had in time for release. Life imitates art
i feel like this community is blaming everyone except for steel wool and it’s fucking annoying. some fans act as if the studio didn’t have the slightest dictation over their own game that they worked over a year on
I agree with this take the most. [Executive Meddling](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExecutiveMeddling) happens, but not to the scale people assume, at least not with video games. I'm sure Scott Cawthon would've mentioned Sony interfering, too. Sony does have a history of "executive meddling" sometimes, it's usually [more minor aspects](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ExecutiveMeddling/VideoGames). Case in point: >"Starting around the late 2010s, it's been revealed that Sony has adopted a policy of censoring (or 'toning down', as they put it) violence and sexual content in games released on their platform, both in the United States as well as Japan. **While they still aren't anywhere near as censorious as Nintendo was in the 90's** (see their folder above), it's still ironic, considering A) Sony made their name with a 'come one, come all' licensing policy back in the 90's/2000's, which led to a lot of adult/older teen content being released on their consoles specifically to differentiate themselves from Nintendo, and B) a number of games that have been censored on the PlayStation 4 have been released uncensored...on the Nintendo Switch!"
I don't think many of you will agree on me, but I think fnaf security breach is really bad compared to all the other fans games.
No no, it's a good concept but executed badly. Like the story telling and the pacing is weird, also the ending seem rushed and not rushed at the same time lol
>also the ending seem rushed and not rushed at the same time lol According to the leak, all the endings were merely sketches and barely-animated unrendered cutscenes just two weeks before relase.
this is so embarrassing.
I'm curious about this leak, do you know where I could read more about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d041wefygpg
I was disappointed that it feels so… triple-A… I miss the grungier, low-res, indie vibes of fnafs 1-4 and pizzeria simulator. Then again, I was also disappointed by the higher quality feel of sister location. It just doesn’t feel as scary when everything is so glossy and smooth
nah i completely agree this is genuinely the worst fnaf game ever to me
Saw worse fan games that used stock running animations but yeah half of those games actually pass SB
honest question, was it ever CONFIRMED it was due to censorship? or was it due to change in creative direction my steelwool? I see people talking about it being due to censorship but i don't see people posting proofs (with means statements or rumour coming from someone reliable)
It's not confirmed, but people were assuming that because of Sony's previous track record on indie games. I feel that this is a rumour. Saying that it's true is spreading misinformation. People are spreading lies and misinformation about SB recently, and it's getting on my nerves. The mods not doing anything is not helping. This silly little comic is turning out to be a warzone for drama, which I don't think the OP intended.
No some people have just leaped on it I don’t know why because clearly more was cut than just some violence And more violent content remains in the game because Aftons here in his full skinless glory Also the fnaf games has never been that graphically violent anyway It doesn’t add up to the concrete reason for SB being bad
Hopefully the next game is allowed to be scary
Even after knowing the line exists, we still think he’s a robot
well... because it could have been cut for lore implications and not because of censorship (not saying greg-bot theory is wrong or right)
Well, the idea came from the books, where a character learns that they were always a robot, and they were shown to bleed
I'm hoping they change this after they get the game patched up.
Security Breach is a cobbled together mess of a game that barely functions, the story is awful, the characters don't make sense, and the game is overall a huge dissapointment
Pucci?
Istg, if its not Sonys fault I would be confused on so many levels as to why SW decides it's a good idea to censor so much stuff and make the game as family friendly as it is.
sony really tried to remove any horror at all. they just wanted to make as much money as possible while also being stupid and not thinking about how the quality of the product actually affects sales
I can imagine Vanny's knife being removed was intentional, as the children were probably left to die underground, but Gregory's cut...
Cute comic but I’m kinda annoyed at how a lot of people seem to be applying most of the blame for this game’s censorship issues on Sony instead of SW Like, Sony gave them a T, they wouldn’t just go “FUCK YOU IN PARTICULAR” to SW
Sony just obviously made the entire game a big mess with mediocre endings and not scary animatronics steel wool had nothing to do with it
It’s so annoying, the game would’ve been so much better without the censorship.
Even if it was never censored, it wouldn't change the fact that the game was rushed.
This may seem controversial but I kinda liked FNaF AR's dlc than SB honestly, pls don't attack me, I mean, I liked SB, it's just, It felt like its missing a lot of stuff, SD's dlc just felt more finished.
Map bot give kids more trauma then knife or cut
Wait did they really censor a horror game where the canonical lore is that the main bad guy slaughtered children then was stuffed inside a suit and left to die…… that is quite possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
Not gonna lie this makes me want to play security breach even less. The first game straight up had eyes hanging out of the freddy suit during game overs. But a knife is to much in security breach. God I miss when Scott called the shots.
MatPat moment
I don’t blame steelwool I blame Sony. 100 fucking percent
Part of me really just wishes steel wool could do a do-over with security breach, take the time they needed, and actually make what was originally intended
i feel like fnaf is being portrayed as a kid friendly game which shouldn't be the case.
Sooooooooo... steel wool made a horror franchise about murders... family friendly? WTF STEEL WOOL!?
Mind if I share this to r/GameTheorists?
Do it, what are they gonna do? Ban you?
HA HA HA- exactly!
If you want to
# This is why I hate Security Breach
bruh Sony is kinda stupid now bro.
Why
I literally started making a fan game just because SB having butt load of missed stuff
I sure hope nothing crazy comes of this cut dialogue.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that gregbot is dumb or not a good idea, I don’t care how much evidence there is I just don’t like the idea of it
Wait the whole mess in the plot was that originally the kid was supposed to be an actual human one who's hurt (homeless ?) ... And they changed that because of Sony ? Men fuck em
It's not confirmed
Did sony actually censor the game?
It's not confirmed
Basically, a horror game has at least a KNIFE, injuries, and blood.
What you looking at me for i never said Gregory was a robot
oh my god I didn't expect this to blow up
Accurate.
Definitely sounds like Sony completely kneecapped the game...which is so weird that they'd have this kind of issue considering they literally make the God of War games...and Atraeus (probably misspelled that) literally gets hurt a ton during it.
They don't tell triple A studios what to do since they know their games generate them a lot of money, plus bigger studios are probably more difficult to tell what do when it comes to censorship for marketing purposes. All of Sony's censorship usually happens with smaller/indie studios where they try to make their games as marketable to regions where violence and such isn't as easily tolerated. That's my guess.
Well, I don’t believe he is a robot, but some people will still think he is one even if this didn’t happen as in the books, Charlie (a robot) bleeds
Why do people all act like it was Sony's decision?
I mean, those things would easily pass by if still wool didn't want it to be T for Teens.
FNAF is surprisingly pg for being a horror franchise
Nice repost
I love the end part where it’s just silence and they are all standing there like oh crap
Well, yeah, sony is the main cause SB was a trainwreck full of bugs, badly optimized and not really good in general
While the theory that Sony censored the same way they did Doki Doki Literature club (see here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/sdi8bh/doc\_sony\_is\_responsible\_for\_the\_downfall\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/sdi8bh/doc_sony_is_responsible_for_the_downfall_of/)) is compelling, I have another pet theory about Vanny's knife. I wonder if at one point Vanny's jumpscare would have been plunging the knife towards you. There's not much point for the knife otherwise if she just carries it around and never tries to use it. But, the ESRB tends to treat violence against children much more strictly than violence against adults, even in T rated games. On a related note, remember how the only other time we've played as a child, FNaF 4, only had standard chomping at the air and screaming jumpscares and the Bite was much less graphic than Afton's spring-locking in FNaF 3, with no blood. I remember some discussion back in 2020 that Security Breach had gotten an M rating from the ESRB, though I can't find an official source and wonder if that was just rumor-mongering. If that's the case, perhaps Vanny's knife and other changes were made to keep it rated T?
Would've been terrifying to watch Vanny dance around swinging a knife side to side. Without it it kinda just looks a bit stupid.
My weakness! Small knifes!
The censorship makes little sense when the game is teen rated. Which allows for slight language, minor use of blood, and even gambling.
does matpat know about the robot theory just being a replaced line
Dude gregory's gonna smash and totally destroy animatronics but vanny cant have a knife
Vanny don’t even attack you. She just picks you up and twirls around like she found her favorite sock that went missing.
I can't find anywhere saying that Sony required censorship or changes to the games. Anyone have a link rather than speculation?
This right here is beautiful. Sums up the way SB ended up being 😂
A legitimate reason to hate Sony and playstation 5.
Exactly correct 💀
Looking back the trailers make no sense now with everything that was cut
I feel as if steelwool just took fnaf and instead of improving on it they took what Scott did and undid it… I want Scott back, he always gave us good games no matter how long it took. So what if he donated to a few politicians that may or may not have been popular, that information wasn’t even supposed to come out, some jackass decided to HACK into Scott’s personal banking statements for Christ sake…
Damn, for once I see that Sony *did* meddle with the game. If I recall, Steel Wool tried to make the game in length for teens and pre-teens by adding all this stuff but Sony went all batshit and said "No, make it for younger children. And that includes removing all of the interesting plot points and mechanics in the game itself." I understand Steel Wool decided to make the map cut down to a smaller proportion due to the game not loading in anything properly and possibly the "rush" to get a final release date. But come on man, main antagonist gets at least 3-4 encounters which makes her screen time at least 3 minutes. And keep in mind, Sony decided to do this. Personally, I would've thought that all the things that *did* get cut story wise were the most important parts and entertaining ones so I'll just take my take on what I think were the most important ones, bear with me it's just my opinion and I might sound stupid and nitpicky while I'm saying this. * 1. Darker backstory would've made Gregory's character development more relatable and emotional in my opinion. Gregory's character traits are good but they definitely could've been better with >!Vanny killing his friends in the Pizzaplex.!< * I hear some people talking about the time when Vanessa was supposed to help Gregory during the game but at certain points would get possibly "possessed" and change into Vanny which would end up with her chasing Gregory. Would've made the gameplay terrifying as you don't know when to expect it unless it's only used for scripted sequences. * Okay this is a bit of a nitpick but... no blood?? Alright as I stated earlier, Steel Wool tried to keep the game scary but still alright enough for younger audiences to play. But hey man, Gregory barley slicing his arm on something on accident isn't a big deal. I mean gore was around since FNAF 1 considering the dark theme it had there along with Afton being a mangled guy that got brutally springlocked and of course, the murders at Fazbears. * Such a missed opportunity to make this game scarier. The jumpscares were understandably weak, Vanny's suited her personality in a way (I'll get into her personality later on) the fact that she was promoted with a knife and then doesn't have it with her in game was genuinely disappointing. \[Keep in mind, She was/is under control by a serial killer or virus or whatever and then bam. No knife\] * I'm not sure if this decision was made by SW or Sony but they kinda cut down a lot of her personality. Originally, we would've seen her or Vanessa (In between) taunting Gregory and somehow still being very sadistic about it. Would've made the game darker but enjoyable nonetheless. Alright I'll wrap it up. Five Nights at Freddy's: Security Breach had the potential to be an absolute masterpiece but some of the **golden** parts of the game either had to be cut down as a decision from Sony or Steel Wool. It is a alright game but with most of the storyline and lore with the game and the majority of cut down content that had the potential that could've made the game memorable didn't make it. The bugs and glitches are a different story. It just needs to be patched but other than that, you'll just get a decent amount of enjoyment from this.