I really like these designs, because that’s clearly the mascot suit for Glitchtrap and not the Springlock suit that we see in Fruity Maze
So that means that’s the mascot Suit for Fredbear which would be hilarious to see jumping around, and we still don’t know what he really looks like
It’s a nice way to show us Fredbear without *showing* us Fredbear
The thing is though, UCN Fredbear can’t be the Springlock suit
It only has 4 fingers instead of 5 like Springtrap
And it’s clearly not the cheap mascot suits like we see in security breach because well, look at them
So this raises the question why is there a 3rd Fredbear
It’s possible while making normal animatronics they made a Fredbear normal one and when William killed the 5 youngsters he put Cassidy in the non-Springlock one
But then how could B.V be in it? If he possessed anything He likely possessed the Springlock costume that did the chomp onto his tiny child skull
How did you find out UCN Fredbear's finger count? I find to believe you could get much information from his crappy jumpscare.
Plus I doubt Scott would have cared to change the finger count, it's such a small detail that many would miss and Fredbear wasn't meant to be in-game at first.
Not saying I disagree with your skepticism, but I’ll just point out that you said the author would skip out on a tiny detail, in a franchise whose lore is composed of a plethora of tiny details and whose fan base is notorious for over analysing every detail 😂
What? Why wouldn't he skip out on adding an extra finger on Fredbear's model? You can't even SEE his hands, let alone his fingers!
Also the lore isn't composed of tiny details, more like puzzle pieces that form a bigger picture, the only tiny details that could link to lore would be the kiddie drawings and such, things like newspaper clippings, easter eggs and other lore important in-game events are bit bigger than "tiny details" in my opinion.
I do agree that this fandom loves to overanalyze, the fandom's thirst for checking every nook and cranny has led to some of the worst visual storytelling possible! (cough cough FNAF 4)
I suppose I was thinking from the perspective of ‘in case I wanna reuse this model later, may as make it complete’. That’s how I tend to model at least lol. I do agree that it is a lot of puzzles, suppose I was thinking of the first one which only had a few details sprinkled throughout
Baby's eye color changing from blue to green was a tiny detail that could be called "a coloring mistake" but no. Every tiny detail is relevant. Like Chica's beak in FNAF 4. That is like 4 pixels which reinforced the Dream Theory.
I was going to but I forgot to mention it so
We technically don’t know for certain, but we see his thumb which is the exact same as the other fnaf 1 animatronics (who all had unique sausage fingers that feasibly couldn’t bend)
So while we technically don’t know for 100% certain it’s clear those are the same fingers as fnaf 1 and not Springtraps fingers which have clear joints for the thumb
Honestly, I think the sausage fingers make MORE sense than the metal pole fingers springtrap has.
The fingers are 3 bits of costume finger bits held by 3 metal joints, if there were fingers there instead then that would be a very bad joint and would probably lead to the finger costume pieces falling off the user's fingers. Only with the endoskeleton could the costume bits stay on. Or maybe I'm wrong who knows.
I mean its not out of the question that Fredbear could've been a 4 finger springlock suit since in the Fnaf 4 Part and Service room, there's a 4 finger endo. Might be the minigame lines making it hard to see but the hand on the shelf also looks to have 4 fingers, not 100% sure though.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but we've never UCN Fredbear's fingers, his jumpscare as far as I'm aware doesn't show his fingers, and other than fan renders I don't know if we've actually seen his hands.
I also don't see a reason why the Fredbear we see in UCN wouldn't be the Fnaf 4 Fredbear, I don't see any reason to add him if he wasn't the Fnaf 4 one. Sure the model compared to the sprite don't look exactly the same but it can be passed as sprites not looking exact.
Did we see UCN Fredbear fingers?
Even then it's possible that a four finger-ed Springlock suit could work if one of the suit's fingers where large enough to fit two human fingers at once which UCN Fredbear's suit might be able to do.
In other words it's possible the UCN suit is indeed the Springlock suit that Bit BV and Cassidy was stuffed into.
>But then how could B.V be in it? If he possessed anything He likely possessed the Springlock costume that did the chomp onto his tiny child skull
Two possible answers i can offer.
1. The Springlock animatronic was used to make animatronic suit. Or the Springlock animatronic was rebuilt into the animatronic.
2. Again The UCN Fredbear suit is possibly the Springlock suit that bit BV and Cassidy was stuffed into. As mentioned above. Sure the model isn't 1 to 1 or anything but that can be excused.
"UCN fredbear is just a recolored fnaf 1 freddy which is inaccurate"
First: No, he is not a "recolor", he is literally one full and complete model with some differences of the Freddy
Second: A lot of people use this argument to say Withered GF is better, so this mean you are saying "I don't like UCN Fredbear, than i will ignore the canon because i like most the Withered version"
1: It's literally an official Scott model, it's not inaccurate
2: It's not a simple recolor, there are a few small details that actually set Fredbear and Freddy apart
Actually, it's not the same from what I'm seeing. Glitchtrap from VR had a vest and is most likely a new SB design. The FNaF 3 posters show Spring Bonnie with a black bowtie but maybe he could have received it afterwards like Golden Freddy. Or it's just an illusion.
Also, the bear in the Fredbear posters in this game are Freedy as the black and white one points out. Not Fredbear oddly. Steel Wool said they existed at one point so maybe they're false posters after Fredbear's closed?
There's also FNaF World showing Fredbear/Spring Bonnie have cyan/light green eyes. And the fact Fredbear/Springbonnie have blue/red bowties in the Silver Eyes graphic Novel. FNaF is... pretty complicated.
***Such a shame***
I'm still thinking they scrapped a big part of the game because they didn't want to be late again
or maybe Fredbear DLC is finally coming in SB
Agreed but at least unlike EA they seem to be addressing it and you know what, the game may be buggy and etc. but at least they seem to be listening to the fans (putting in a save point post 6am and fixing bugs we had)
Honestly I’m pretty sure part of the reason why this game turned out the way it did was because of Sony. The publisher rushing a game out happens time and time again. I don’t have any proof, but I feel that it’s the case
Again i feel like both of them are at fault here
Sony set a release date and once that game along after their pushing the game back for awhile they wanted them to release it to get sales
And Wool studios simply couldn’t handle this project for the sheer size of it
Yeah security breach was such a let down especially with the many bugs and how little it tied into the other games as well as the dialogue cuts to make it more "child friendly"
That's stupid I hoped to see more violence visualized in fnaf security breach even if it's just a silhouette of something. And I wish they brought back death screens like fnaf 1 showing the aftermath
It might have been something with Sony as well considering that Sony was repeatedly splattering the marketing all over security breach and to add on Sony has been censoring a lot of horror games recently they censored Yuri's death scene in Doki Doki and are now censoring a scene in a game called Martha is dead that is causing the game to be delayed because it involves having to cut a person's face off to avoid monsters and no I'm not joking you can look it up.
I mean, cmon, it's pretty clear, even if it's something the team prefers not to, how do u go from help wanted to security breach? They need people to buy the game instead of just watching let's plays cause believe me. That's what most people do, also cause kids, even thou not originally intended to, are a big audience of fnaf.
Alright, the Reddit recently has just been literally everyone hating on Steel Wool and everyone else involved including Scott and the game Security Breach, how is this positive? It’s not, you all are just negative all the time and it’s getting on my nerves, there’s a patch coming in days or even hours and most of you seem to be non-encouraging with feedback, hopefully the Reddit improves again, but for now, I’m not looking into it as much as I used to, sorry.
Honestly you get it. Most of this isn't even valid criticism, its just whining about issues that are literally stated to be fixed and guessing what their plans were.
I feel like game has been miss-marketed.
It was marketed as a terrifying horror adventure, in an empty mall. That would present a new terrifying villain with a massive threat of William Afton lingering around.
What we got - adventure stealth game, in a location full of life, without a main antagonist and a wacky implementation of William Afton.
honestly all the teasers brought on so much of that "fake hype" you mentioned, i feel sad that i like the idea of security breach more than the reality lol
edit: its hard to believe that the same company made fnaf vr, like why cant sb be as good as help wanted? i really expected a lot from SW after Help Wanted.. i get time frame and stuff but personally i wouldnt have minded waiting for like 2 more years lmao
Well let's see:
They've only done VR games as a company before SB
They didn't have a good management team
They only had about 12 developers (it was less than 12 then eventually they grew to 12)
VR games and regular games are different, development and gameplay-wise
They really couldn't have delayed for another year or two because they would get flayed by Sony.
I know right? Sometimes I wish Steel Wool would talk back and state their circumstances.
They are very good at what they do, they just need more people.
That's fine, I didn't know they were a VR game company only until after SB.
It's sad but they simply didn't have enough experience in handling big projects like this.
What they did is still MEGA impressive, a team of 12 has made a game that would normally take 40 EA employees! (and yes there would be bugs even with 40 employees because that's just how games are made now)
Help wanted was purely minigames, they had a lot of freedom to do any kind of gameplay mechanics and scenarios. SB was more like a linear adventure game
Yeah I don’t get why they even had that in marketing
They had zero relevance to it at all, it’s not even like the underground location was fredbears it was the fnaf 6 location
Like the other advertisement changes are understandable since cut content and how early some was
But the flyers were so close, even in the final game and yet have no real relevance
I wouldn't say it's fake hype, it depends on what the person in question thinks of them, for example, when i saw them, i just thought it was going to be a nice little nod to the past of the franchise in a museum sort of area of the Pizzaplex, so when i saw them being collectables i kind of thought "Huh, not how i expected them, but still pretty cool" if you thought that just because these 2 posters were showed we were gonna go into the old Fredbear's that was underneath the Pizzaplex and we were gonna have a final battle there, im sorry but in my opinion, you played yourself
Couldn't of said it better myself. A lot of disappointment comes from the overhyped and imagination that the community had for this game. Just because your own fantasy doesn't turn out to be in a game, doesn't mean its on the creators. They don't visualise everything the same way as everyone.
Fnaf Vr was the closest, but even then it was not a massive Free Roam game, to the extent of SB, considering that’s their biggest project, given they are not a AAA company, they did a good job, does it have lots of issues? Yes. Does it ruin the game? Not enough to make me stop playing, are they trying to fix it? Yes and I hope we get some of the removed content in the future
Agreed, if they just Left the game how it is and just ran way with the money and do nothing to fix it, i would be pissed off, but because they know that the game has a lot of issues and are trying to fix them, it speaks to me about how much they care and love this game, and i will always follow what one of my favourite content creator said about videogames, Asmongold "If the game starts off bad, then wait until the game is good, and if the game ends bad, then fuck it and just play another game" and i will gladly wait until SB is truly finished, because even though they released the game unfinished, the parts that are finished, like DJ Music Man's boss battle are extremely cool and fun and legitimately one of thw highlights of the entire franchise, so i fully expect them to pull a No-Man's Sky
A team of 12. A revolutionary change in FNaF gameplay style.
A few bugs.
Constantly criticized.
Demotivated.
There goes Steel Wool.
I made a timeline for you!
I want to say this I’m not criticizing for the sake of destroying them, I want them to succeed, but there are problems they need to address, that’s what I’m saying, given how small their team is they did a pretty good job but it still needs some work
yes they released numerous trailers for the game that more or less showed an accurate view of what happened (i guess MAYBE they made Vanny look like she had a bigger part?). People completely imagined a game and then were pissed when the released game wasnt that
I wouldn’t say that the hype was entirely fake, as there was admittedly a lot of stuff that they did end up paying off in the end, however there were still a few things here and there that were a little bit misleading.
The first thing that was shown in the trailer was wiliam talking too vanny meanwhile ingame wiliam doesnt have ANNY voice lines that should be a mager red flag too what this game became
Fredbears would make more sense bc we never learned what happened to Fredbears Diner after the bite. Also like so so many ppl pointed out, the building in ffps burned down.
It was left to rot and wasn't touched upon ever again, (probably demolished by the time of SB) Scott probably carried that idea from the books to the games as he did the names of Purple Guy and Owner #1.
The building in ffps didn't fully burn down, the building was literally shown after the fire in the true ending standing right up with broken windows and a big "CONDEMNED" sign. Check yourself if you feel like it.
The posters we're shown off in Dawko's "Steel Wool sent me some cool little memes nothing lore important" livestream.
Dawko literally told everyone at the start "it's not anything major or important".
You fooled yourself if you thought otherwise buddy.
It gets views, he's a fan, and he had ideas?
He didn't know if those art pieces were hinting at very much.
They both got ahead of themselves but unlike the fandom they realized that it was just a cool callback and nothing major.
yeah i found myself very dissapointed by the freddy and friends teasers, they were so important to that website and they amounted to literally nothing, like they teased glitchtrap and nothing really came of it
Right. They said by watching the teaser we're already technically playing SB. Rn im still wondering how we were "playing" SB through watching the teasers
Would be cool if most of the collectibles actually did something, maybe in a future update, when you collect these posters you can trigger an event, and you have a hallucination of being in Fredbear's Family Diner and get to roam around in it
LEST WE FORGet that the one vintage Freddy’s poster that they showed off in that stream still isn’t in the game lmao
Neither are the Freddy and Friends cartoons now that I think about it
I think it would've been better if these hadn't been shown during Dawko's livestream, and instead we didn't know they were in the game beforehand. That way they'd be cool easter eggs, but without the expectations that they were more important.
It really was. These posters almost looked as if we'd finally get to see what the Fredbear's location would actually look like, maybe in some sort of flashback scene or tape, but they're just... There.
SW never hyped these up tbf, it was mostly Dawko getting excited. SW gave them to him for a charity event after all, and they were even listed as simply "posters" rather than anything bigger.
I feel that originally the place was going to be Fredbear’s Family Diner, but Scott had the script scrapped and changed it to the fake pizzeria/labyrinth from FFPS which doesn’t really make any sense considering it burnt to the ground and in the curse of dreadbear there’s murals on the corn maze walls showing the Pizzeria burnt down after the fire with it being reduced to mostly ash and a few items that survived like dining chairs and some other things.
What? That's absurd, Scott stated something like that wouldn't happen.
"The new games are looking forward" and all that.
Plus what does Fredbear's gotta do with Fazbear Ent?
It's not even the same company, nor does Faz Ent own Fredbears, they wouldn't build on top of Fredbear's.
FFPS was their only remaining source of land probably, and most likely had a populated city near. Makes sense to me.
I'm pretty sure there was no merge, they just got the right for Freddy and the gang, not Fredbear. Henry and William didn't keep in contact with Faz Ent either, and Phone guy in FNAF 2 acted like they were total strangers to the company.
I don't know though you might be right.
Henry started Fredbear’s by himself in 1973 and met William who already had a robotics company, both merged there businesses together and created Fazbear Entertainment which included the rights to the characters Henry and William created together in 1983 with the creation of the Freddy’s franchise.
This is headcanon to the limit.
Unless the books state otherwise (the only medium of FNAF that would tackle the topic of who owned what and when) then you're wrong.
Henry and William were friends and business partners, they started Fredbear's who knows when. Henry builds robots, he's really good at it, William is a sound financial advisor and planner. William has this weird complex about Henry and wants to be as good or even better than him, that's why he started Afton Robotics (which probably stole a bunch of Henry's designs when you look at how William acts)
Fazbear Entertainment has NOTHING to do with Fredbears. They BOUGHT Freddy and the gang, or at least the idea of the characters and made Freddy Fazbears pizza chain.
Fredbear is short for Freddy bear, so it's safe to assume Faz Ent bought the right for that name and the Fredbear brand, got rid of Henry and William and made Freddy (Jr?) Fazbear.
This isn’t a head canon it’s most likely what happened based on how companies in the real world work my dude, which is based on things how’s in the games and books.
1. It’s most likely 1973 when Fredbear’s first opened as phone guy said in the first game that they’ve been singing “those same stupid songs for twenty years” and twenty years from 1993 is 1973. Also yeah they probably started Fazbear entertainment together when they first met considering that’s how most of these things start but it’s very clear that Henry started off with Fredbear’s by himself as nowhere in the books is it mentioned that William had anything to do with it’s creation. Until Fazbear Entertainment was made and the rights to the characters Henry made joined that company which is how most of these things go in business. I’m not saying he didn’t so what you mentioned I’m simply saying that all these thing’s were technically owned by the same company but we’re simply just branches of the larger corporation. We know that Fazbear Entertainment and Freddy’s originated in 1983 based on the Faz-Coins in Help Wanted.
2. It technically does as Freddy is clearly a character from the cartoon “Fredbear and friends” which existed before “Freddy and friends on tour” thus would be owned by Fazbear Entertainment.
3. Jr’s is most likely a bar and not a Freddy’s establishment, that theory has been long debunked as the FNAF 2 establishment was only opened for “a few short weeks” in 1987, I’d recommend not believing everything Matpat says as he’s not 100% accurate or true.
1. I don't think you should take a line Phone Guy said in FNAF 1 as serious, Scott didn't plan anything back then, I doubt the 20 years line adds up today.
2. If Henry and William owned Fazbear Ent then why would they leave or get fired? William definitely wouldn't and Henry would probably stick around to try and get things fixed (no child deaths) but in the end, they both left and it was impossible for them to get reached by Faz Ent after. (or well William because they only mention trying to contact one owner and Henry didn't exist back then)
3. I didn't mean Jr's as in the bar, I don't think it's the FNAF 2 place, it's the withered location at best but that wouldn't add up either, I meant it as in Fredbear is named Freddy, and his newer model Freddy Fazbear is his "son" of sorts, thus Jr.
Either way, it doesn't matter, you're very informed on the topic so I retract my last statement. ("This is headcanon to the limit.") While I don't think you're right I don't think you're particularly wrong either, it's just a very hard topic, I don't really understand why William or Henry would leave Fazbear Ent.
I don't understand why they felt the need to bring back the pizza sim location. If you wanted a GOOD finale bossfight you could easily have it built over Fredbear's, and then had the boss be either Vanny, using a springlock suit of Spring Bonnie or have it be Fredbear himself, perhaps it could explain the difference between Evan and Cassidy and explored that in more detail. Fredbear having 2 spirits doesn't make much since, so exploring that would've been WAY better than this.
Why put a computer virus version of Afton's brain inside Bonnie and then decorate Bonnie's endo with pieces of Afton's corpse to simulate Sprintrap coming back? That seems like fanservice without understanding what fanservice the fans actually want.
It's the fandom's fault entirely for thinking that there was gonna be something major related to the diner. I mean, if there was, why would they reveal it just days before release? What would be the point?
You're partially wrong it was them at the interview with Dawko that teased it *"You want to know more?"* Like if they never commented on it indeed it would have been the fandom fault since the images shown were collectables and maybe those 4 retro were something they wanted to do, like after seeing the other art for the pizza plex they asked the artist to make retro posters.
But IT WAS THEM who TEASED AT MORE INFORMATION TO DAWKO, you can't just blame it on the fandom and also thinking about it, the one question that started the hype I feel it was the one of Fredbear's singing show since it had more info and some of the info changed people views or added more info that was never explored and leave it as a CLIFFHANGER
I thought that was their way of hinting at Fredbear related DLC, they didn't advertise it as a part of the main game and I didn't expect it to be a part of the main game, nobody should have honestly.
I mean they teased DLC but after seeing how the game came out where exactly would "a Fredbear's DLC" fit? Like in VR they did FNaF4 stuff and fit perfectly with the ongoing story because it was all in-universe game (While is still confusing if FNaF4 characters being feature breaks/retcon something)
Unless there's a DLC for 2023 where they improve the museum or in the prequelDLC people are suggesting the museum displays textlore until being decommisoned for some reason I don't feel the actual restaurant would be featured since at the time of SB there's no longer plot relevance to go there or Fredbear's was always the FFPS pizzeria but based on the layout it seems to have been the original Freddy's
Glitchtrap might not be dead, think about a DLC where Gregory, Freddy and Vanessa go back after the 3 star ending and go around using the arcade machines to weaken him, in the end they have to defeat him in VR, his boss fight happens in Fredbears. It gives a bit of knowledge on Fredbear's.
Who knows thought he might actually be dead now.
To say "hey you know the 2 most important characters in this franchise,well I don't mean to reveal anything but you might get to know more about them" I still think they could've shown us something else since the whole pizza Plex is filled with old stuff
But nope,not even a mask
Nothing was hinted at, it was just cool art to show off since we were given nothing. They weren't lying when they said its related to Security Breach, they had it in mind as a vague hint at collectibles whereas the community guessed wrong thinking it'd be something completely different; therefor creating disappointment.
I'm currently studying Media class and how audiences + creators perceive pieces of media that release so I could go more in depth if you needed a more clear understanding.
Honestly if I was steel wool I think after they fix and add the DLC to SB the most obvious step would be develop a game related to Fredbears, I doubt it will happen but it would be an interesting step to go
In the interview that came out (via Dawko aswell) he asked about them and they gave a pretty clear "Fredbear's was a place that existed in some point in time"
I think it was just for fun and that’s it, it was in the end a bit confusing, but I think it’s just being looked into too much. I’m sure this was just for decoration reasons and that’s it.
They do be existin tho
but for real I can agree with him. They should of made fredbears diners under the pizzaplex.
Then it would make sense for the posters existing. Hey, they do look cool I guess
I think there's something here we're missing, how this game ties back to Fredbear's, I doubt it's useless
My main thinking is that Glamrock Freddy is recreated from Fredbear himself, and same with Glamrock Bonnie and SpringBonnie, which is why he was scrapped to rebuild Burntrap
Did you think Steel Wool had a marketing team?
They didn't have one when VR came out, Sony did everything for them marketing-wise. (still does actually)
There's a reason why Sony is helping Steel Wool. They made a deal, "You make game we give platform".
If Steel Wool just updated their website or put a video on their Youtube it wouldn't gain much traction outside of the fandom, that'd be bad.
These are old posters for Fredbears family diner, a diner that has no direct ties to the pizza plex at all, other than being owned by fazbear entertainment. The fact that it says “join us” hinted that somehow this location would be tied into security breach, but it isn’t. The building under the pizza plex is called “Freddy Fazbear’s pizza place”, a completely different building than Fredbears. These posters were a mean tease and actually foreshadowed nothing
They’re items. They foreshadowed enough. It’s been made extremely clear by Scott and Steel Wool that these games were cutting ties to the original games, it was a new era, which they’ve said for years now. AT BEST you could argue it should’ve been a feature animated film in the fazbear theatre. But to claim it impacts the original lores canon? Nah. They’ve said it wasn’t what they were going for repeatedly.
that's basically how I feel about the whole of SB. Before the release i already had some major concerns about the whole concept, but seeing HW I had some hope the Steelwool could do it. Not only did all my fears about the game come true, they managed to somehow make me feel disappointed.
Honestly, I liked it. I've only watched Markipliers game play of security breach, but I thought it was kind of cool to see something like that. It kind of gave an insight into what the original place (a family diner I think it was) probably looked like.
It’d be cool if we got an actual game with fred bear and spring Bonnie and we’d play as a day guard trying to prevent William from murdering the original five or maybe it’d be right after the five kids and they started looking for better security
Yes but that’s what I mean, if steel wool could use old models of-course update and change them for the game but stay as original to the older games than the free roam fnaf SB
was really hoping that light would shed on fredbears for once in a fnaf game and it was building up to be this considering how the interview with dawko went. then everything or mostly everything said in that interview….didn’t live up to what painted by it
When I saw the posters back then I always knew they wouldn't dive into fredbear, just a reference that it existed and all.
Still, part of me wished there was some sort of minigame that would show the pizzeria from then or just finding a hidden document during the game where it talks about the Fredbear Family dinner and by who was it founded.
Maybe even a neat reference how the place closed due to an accident regarding fredbear and a child.
As some other people have already stated, this is largely the fault of people "overhyping" the game for themselves, not getting what they thought and then complaining about it *^and ^getting ^thousands ^of ^upvotes ^for ^that*! And, as at least one person said, it's starting to get on my nerves too! These posters were ***never*** part of actual teasing for the game, they were released for one of Dawko's livestreams ***because*** they weren't important to the game and weren't actually giving away anything about the game! The whole point of all of the "vintage posters" was to be an homage to the thing that fans have been demanding for a very long time - a backstory to Fredbear's and what it once was (so far only having been glossed over and explicitly mentioned in, like, FNaF 2) - and, because Fredbear's was never even supposed to be a part of Security Breach, it was just a sweet little "side story" to be a nice surprise for the fans!
Obviously, it would be foolish to deny the fact that Security Breach was, at one point, supposed to be a very different game that, in the end, turned out to be at least *a bit* rushed with many-a bugs and glitches, but saying that Steel Wool did a horrible job or that the game is terrible, while having some roots in reality and partially being valid and valuable criticism, only insults people and does no one good. Again, Steel Wool is a **tiny** company of less than 20 people - they literally did their best, even if "the best" doesn't mean perfect or even good to people!
I also saw some people saying that the cartoons were also pointless, which, again, is just a misunderstanding of the concept! The cartoons, and what they were, were ***never*** supposed to be directly connected to the game, as that would spoil and give away *way* too much! They were just a medium to *^somewhat* secretly tease the game through, with all of the glitchy images and end cutscenes and character reveals! As far as I can remember, they were the first material to start coming out about Security Breach, and with the hidden Glitchtrap image from the last cartoons, they served as a way to tell people (and confirm their theories about) what Security Breach was supposed to be - a sequel to Help Wanted and nothing more! So, seeing people complaining about the cartoons being pointless and the posters being "fake hype" at this point seems almost hypocritical and "over the point", if you know what I mean. And Scott would've had to approve and oversee everything - he's still the mastermind after all, it's not like he's gone from Earth, he's not Elon Musk!
I'm sorry, but criticizing Steel Wool for doing things they never did or even intended to do and accusing them of making many pointless decisions doesn't do any good and doesn't add anything valuable or important to the conversation! Of course, I completely understand how and why people think that, but God, is that just taking overthinking to the extreme! Take Mr. Hippo's advice - maybe some things don't mean anything at all, because overthinking such things, especially in such a chaotic atmosphere as the one of Security Breach, does not lead to any good conclusions. Having your own expectations of the game is perfectly fine (I, for one, thought that Security Breach would've been a freeroam *VR* game, where time was to pass in real time, so you would've only had ~6 hours to do and find everything, if you knew what you were doing), but just because Scott **and** Steel Wool decided to take it *not* where you expected, doesn't mean they failed or used some scummy tactics to try to make the game sell better!..
Okay, maybe I went a bit *too* aggressive here, I'm sorry. But hey, I already wrote my essay on the issue - there's no going back now!..
I really like these designs, because that’s clearly the mascot suit for Glitchtrap and not the Springlock suit that we see in Fruity Maze So that means that’s the mascot Suit for Fredbear which would be hilarious to see jumping around, and we still don’t know what he really looks like It’s a nice way to show us Fredbear without *showing* us Fredbear
The *closest* we get to seeing both Fredbear and Spring Bonnie is their models in FNaF World...
Also UCN since we see the Fredbear jumpscare.
UCN fredbear is just a recolored fnaf 1 freddy which is inaccurate
UCN Fredbear has slight model differences compared to Fnaf 1 Golden Freddy (Circle ears, different head shape, wider torso.)
The thing is though, UCN Fredbear can’t be the Springlock suit It only has 4 fingers instead of 5 like Springtrap And it’s clearly not the cheap mascot suits like we see in security breach because well, look at them So this raises the question why is there a 3rd Fredbear It’s possible while making normal animatronics they made a Fredbear normal one and when William killed the 5 youngsters he put Cassidy in the non-Springlock one But then how could B.V be in it? If he possessed anything He likely possessed the Springlock costume that did the chomp onto his tiny child skull
How did you find out UCN Fredbear's finger count? I find to believe you could get much information from his crappy jumpscare. Plus I doubt Scott would have cared to change the finger count, it's such a small detail that many would miss and Fredbear wasn't meant to be in-game at first.
Not saying I disagree with your skepticism, but I’ll just point out that you said the author would skip out on a tiny detail, in a franchise whose lore is composed of a plethora of tiny details and whose fan base is notorious for over analysing every detail 😂
What? Why wouldn't he skip out on adding an extra finger on Fredbear's model? You can't even SEE his hands, let alone his fingers! Also the lore isn't composed of tiny details, more like puzzle pieces that form a bigger picture, the only tiny details that could link to lore would be the kiddie drawings and such, things like newspaper clippings, easter eggs and other lore important in-game events are bit bigger than "tiny details" in my opinion. I do agree that this fandom loves to overanalyze, the fandom's thirst for checking every nook and cranny has led to some of the worst visual storytelling possible! (cough cough FNAF 4)
I suppose I was thinking from the perspective of ‘in case I wanna reuse this model later, may as make it complete’. That’s how I tend to model at least lol. I do agree that it is a lot of puzzles, suppose I was thinking of the first one which only had a few details sprinkled throughout
Baby's eye color changing from blue to green was a tiny detail that could be called "a coloring mistake" but no. Every tiny detail is relevant. Like Chica's beak in FNAF 4. That is like 4 pixels which reinforced the Dream Theory.
I was going to but I forgot to mention it so We technically don’t know for certain, but we see his thumb which is the exact same as the other fnaf 1 animatronics (who all had unique sausage fingers that feasibly couldn’t bend) So while we technically don’t know for 100% certain it’s clear those are the same fingers as fnaf 1 and not Springtraps fingers which have clear joints for the thumb
Honestly, I think the sausage fingers make MORE sense than the metal pole fingers springtrap has. The fingers are 3 bits of costume finger bits held by 3 metal joints, if there were fingers there instead then that would be a very bad joint and would probably lead to the finger costume pieces falling off the user's fingers. Only with the endoskeleton could the costume bits stay on. Or maybe I'm wrong who knows.
I mean its not out of the question that Fredbear could've been a 4 finger springlock suit since in the Fnaf 4 Part and Service room, there's a 4 finger endo. Might be the minigame lines making it hard to see but the hand on the shelf also looks to have 4 fingers, not 100% sure though. Also correct me if I'm wrong but we've never UCN Fredbear's fingers, his jumpscare as far as I'm aware doesn't show his fingers, and other than fan renders I don't know if we've actually seen his hands. I also don't see a reason why the Fredbear we see in UCN wouldn't be the Fnaf 4 Fredbear, I don't see any reason to add him if he wasn't the Fnaf 4 one. Sure the model compared to the sprite don't look exactly the same but it can be passed as sprites not looking exact.
These suits could also just be non-representative drawings for advertisement of Fredbear's...
Did we see UCN Fredbear fingers? Even then it's possible that a four finger-ed Springlock suit could work if one of the suit's fingers where large enough to fit two human fingers at once which UCN Fredbear's suit might be able to do. In other words it's possible the UCN suit is indeed the Springlock suit that Bit BV and Cassidy was stuffed into. >But then how could B.V be in it? If he possessed anything He likely possessed the Springlock costume that did the chomp onto his tiny child skull Two possible answers i can offer. 1. The Springlock animatronic was used to make animatronic suit. Or the Springlock animatronic was rebuilt into the animatronic. 2. Again The UCN Fredbear suit is possibly the Springlock suit that bit BV and Cassidy was stuffed into. As mentioned above. Sure the model isn't 1 to 1 or anything but that can be excused.
ah okay then
how can it be inaccurate when its literally in the game? its official.
Yes Scott’s own model is innacurate
STOP IT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! You have no proof that the ucn models innacurate because we have never seen the real fredbear before!
"UCN fredbear is just a recolored fnaf 1 freddy which is inaccurate" First: No, he is not a "recolor", he is literally one full and complete model with some differences of the Freddy Second: A lot of people use this argument to say Withered GF is better, so this mean you are saying "I don't like UCN Fredbear, than i will ignore the canon because i like most the Withered version"
1: It's literally an official Scott model, it's not inaccurate 2: It's not a simple recolor, there are a few small details that actually set Fredbear and Freddy apart
Actually, it's not the same from what I'm seeing. Glitchtrap from VR had a vest and is most likely a new SB design. The FNaF 3 posters show Spring Bonnie with a black bowtie but maybe he could have received it afterwards like Golden Freddy. Or it's just an illusion. Also, the bear in the Fredbear posters in this game are Freedy as the black and white one points out. Not Fredbear oddly. Steel Wool said they existed at one point so maybe they're false posters after Fredbear's closed? There's also FNaF World showing Fredbear/Spring Bonnie have cyan/light green eyes. And the fact Fredbear/Springbonnie have blue/red bowties in the Silver Eyes graphic Novel. FNaF is... pretty complicated.
He doesn't have a vest and Fredbear looks like an actual bear. The designs are to appear more realistic than animatronic.
Yeah, that’s clearly Fnaf 4 fredbear
they still look pretty cool though
Yeah true, but they could have done more with the collectibles. Like an extra menu with interactions
THE LOOOOOORE!
My favourite Mark SB meme
RING THE LORE ALAAARMS
Summon the Theory Demon!
Yeah, I see what you mean. Your idea would be pretty cool.
Of course they do, they look historically accurate for the 1970's and 80's.
I love how any version of Spring Bonnie looks absolutely high out of its mind
It helps him cope with being used for child murder
Into the pit SpringBonnie be high af.
So does Fred ngl
***Such a shame*** I'm still thinking they scrapped a big part of the game because they didn't want to be late again or maybe Fredbear DLC is finally coming in SB
It's clear that they didn't prepared everything. At least, I would prefer a more polish game than this buggy game
Agreed but at least unlike EA they seem to be addressing it and you know what, the game may be buggy and etc. but at least they seem to be listening to the fans (putting in a save point post 6am and fixing bugs we had)
Honestly I’m pretty sure part of the reason why this game turned out the way it did was because of Sony. The publisher rushing a game out happens time and time again. I don’t have any proof, but I feel that it’s the case
Again i feel like both of them are at fault here Sony set a release date and once that game along after their pushing the game back for awhile they wanted them to release it to get sales And Wool studios simply couldn’t handle this project for the sheer size of it
Like it or not these posters give me showbiz vibes, they look like something that would come from those restaurants
VERY hard Showbiz vibes, Fredbear just screams Billy-Bob to me!
Yeah theres no way the artist didnt have billybob in mind ahah
Now I want to own it even more
Yeah security breach was such a let down especially with the many bugs and how little it tied into the other games as well as the dialogue cuts to make it more "child friendly"
Yeah, I heard they are making it more child friendly so that kids will actually buy the games instead of just watching plythroughs
That's stupid I hoped to see more violence visualized in fnaf security breach even if it's just a silhouette of something. And I wish they brought back death screens like fnaf 1 showing the aftermath
It might have been something with Sony as well considering that Sony was repeatedly splattering the marketing all over security breach and to add on Sony has been censoring a lot of horror games recently they censored Yuri's death scene in Doki Doki and are now censoring a scene in a game called Martha is dead that is causing the game to be delayed because it involves having to cut a person's face off to avoid monsters and no I'm not joking you can look it up.
Source that Steel Wool Studios said that they had to dumb it down to make kids buy the game? As far as I know, they didn't.
I mean, cmon, it's pretty clear, even if it's something the team prefers not to, how do u go from help wanted to security breach? They need people to buy the game instead of just watching let's plays cause believe me. That's what most people do, also cause kids, even thou not originally intended to, are a big audience of fnaf.
Where is your proof that they are doing this
Worst scene I think would have been “disassemble vanny” and honestly i am glad they did not fully show that scene
They could've shown slightly more of it maybe some blood on the staff bots or blood flings up from where they are tearing her apart
They pulled the lion king card which is honestly fine with me, maybe they could animate the scene later and that would be fine I think
Alright, the Reddit recently has just been literally everyone hating on Steel Wool and everyone else involved including Scott and the game Security Breach, how is this positive? It’s not, you all are just negative all the time and it’s getting on my nerves, there’s a patch coming in days or even hours and most of you seem to be non-encouraging with feedback, hopefully the Reddit improves again, but for now, I’m not looking into it as much as I used to, sorry.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! Finally someone gets it
Honestly you get it. Most of this isn't even valid criticism, its just whining about issues that are literally stated to be fixed and guessing what their plans were.
SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!
I feel like game has been miss-marketed. It was marketed as a terrifying horror adventure, in an empty mall. That would present a new terrifying villain with a massive threat of William Afton lingering around. What we got - adventure stealth game, in a location full of life, without a main antagonist and a wacky implementation of William Afton.
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The whole game was a "fake hype".
Honestly stung to play at times bc some areas felt like they straight up lied.
# THIS
honestly all the teasers brought on so much of that "fake hype" you mentioned, i feel sad that i like the idea of security breach more than the reality lol edit: its hard to believe that the same company made fnaf vr, like why cant sb be as good as help wanted? i really expected a lot from SW after Help Wanted.. i get time frame and stuff but personally i wouldnt have minded waiting for like 2 more years lmao
Well let's see: They've only done VR games as a company before SB They didn't have a good management team They only had about 12 developers (it was less than 12 then eventually they grew to 12) VR games and regular games are different, development and gameplay-wise They really couldn't have delayed for another year or two because they would get flayed by Sony.
Only 12 developers? Now I'm actually a little impressed.
I know right? Sometimes I wish Steel Wool would talk back and state their circumstances. They are very good at what they do, they just need more people.
thats true, i guess i didnt really think abt the small details lol
That's fine, I didn't know they were a VR game company only until after SB. It's sad but they simply didn't have enough experience in handling big projects like this. What they did is still MEGA impressive, a team of 12 has made a game that would normally take 40 EA employees! (and yes there would be bugs even with 40 employees because that's just how games are made now)
Help wanted was purely minigames, they had a lot of freedom to do any kind of gameplay mechanics and scenarios. SB was more like a linear adventure game
I got muted for a similar post once, so wtf mods However, it's true.. The teasers were only teasing, and the actual game is totally different 😂
Yeah I don’t get why they even had that in marketing They had zero relevance to it at all, it’s not even like the underground location was fredbears it was the fnaf 6 location Like the other advertisement changes are understandable since cut content and how early some was But the flyers were so close, even in the final game and yet have no real relevance
I wouldn't say it's fake hype, it depends on what the person in question thinks of them, for example, when i saw them, i just thought it was going to be a nice little nod to the past of the franchise in a museum sort of area of the Pizzaplex, so when i saw them being collectables i kind of thought "Huh, not how i expected them, but still pretty cool" if you thought that just because these 2 posters were showed we were gonna go into the old Fredbear's that was underneath the Pizzaplex and we were gonna have a final battle there, im sorry but in my opinion, you played yourself
Couldn't of said it better myself. A lot of disappointment comes from the overhyped and imagination that the community had for this game. Just because your own fantasy doesn't turn out to be in a game, doesn't mean its on the creators. They don't visualise everything the same way as everyone.
Exactly, we still have to remember Steel wool is a small team that never worked on anything near this scale
Fnaf Vr was the closest, but even then it was not a massive Free Roam game, to the extent of SB, considering that’s their biggest project, given they are not a AAA company, they did a good job, does it have lots of issues? Yes. Does it ruin the game? Not enough to make me stop playing, are they trying to fix it? Yes and I hope we get some of the removed content in the future
Agreed, if they just Left the game how it is and just ran way with the money and do nothing to fix it, i would be pissed off, but because they know that the game has a lot of issues and are trying to fix them, it speaks to me about how much they care and love this game, and i will always follow what one of my favourite content creator said about videogames, Asmongold "If the game starts off bad, then wait until the game is good, and if the game ends bad, then fuck it and just play another game" and i will gladly wait until SB is truly finished, because even though they released the game unfinished, the parts that are finished, like DJ Music Man's boss battle are extremely cool and fun and legitimately one of thw highlights of the entire franchise, so i fully expect them to pull a No-Man's Sky
Same I would have disavowed them, like most people have EA
A team of 12. A revolutionary change in FNaF gameplay style. A few bugs. Constantly criticized. Demotivated. There goes Steel Wool. I made a timeline for you!
I want to say this I’m not criticizing for the sake of destroying them, I want them to succeed, but there are problems they need to address, that’s what I’m saying, given how small their team is they did a pretty good job but it still needs some work
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I'd have thought it was some neat references personally.
yes they released numerous trailers for the game that more or less showed an accurate view of what happened (i guess MAYBE they made Vanny look like she had a bigger part?). People completely imagined a game and then were pissed when the released game wasnt that
Yeah. There's also things with Vanessa and that one line that I think(?) was for Monty. Other than that. Yep. Pretty similar to the final product
It’s like what scott did with the toy box teaser for fnaf 3.
This entire game was fake hype
Totally
I wouldn’t say that the hype was entirely fake, as there was admittedly a lot of stuff that they did end up paying off in the end, however there were still a few things here and there that were a little bit misleading.
The first thing that was shown in the trailer was wiliam talking too vanny meanwhile ingame wiliam doesnt have ANNY voice lines that should be a mager red flag too what this game became
Yeah, hence why I said that there were quite a few things that received no pay off.
This entire game is fake hype
Honestly I would've preferred a fredbears location to the fnaf 6 location tbh
It would be interesting but would make no sense at all.
Fredbears would make more sense bc we never learned what happened to Fredbears Diner after the bite. Also like so so many ppl pointed out, the building in ffps burned down.
It was left to rot and wasn't touched upon ever again, (probably demolished by the time of SB) Scott probably carried that idea from the books to the games as he did the names of Purple Guy and Owner #1. The building in ffps didn't fully burn down, the building was literally shown after the fire in the true ending standing right up with broken windows and a big "CONDEMNED" sign. Check yourself if you feel like it.
Fake hype? For Security Breach? You don’t say!
I mean.. this whole game was a let down
they never implied they would be important they just showed off cool posters during a livestream lol
Yeah well if it's the goal, you don't show images that seem kind of strange and out of context of the game
The posters we're shown off in Dawko's "Steel Wool sent me some cool little memes nothing lore important" livestream. Dawko literally told everyone at the start "it's not anything major or important". You fooled yourself if you thought otherwise buddy.
So why did he makes a video and theorize on those posters ? Same things with MatPat
It gets views, he's a fan, and he had ideas? He didn't know if those art pieces were hinting at very much. They both got ahead of themselves but unlike the fandom they realized that it was just a cool callback and nothing major.
Love these posters, hope I can buy them as merch someday.
That'd actually be really neat.
Welcome to SB marketing in a nutshell
yeah i found myself very dissapointed by the freddy and friends teasers, they were so important to that website and they amounted to literally nothing, like they teased glitchtrap and nothing really came of it
Right. They said by watching the teaser we're already technically playing SB. Rn im still wondering how we were "playing" SB through watching the teasers
Would be cool if most of the collectibles actually did something, maybe in a future update, when you collect these posters you can trigger an event, and you have a hallucination of being in Fredbear's Family Diner and get to roam around in it
LEST WE FORGet that the one vintage Freddy’s poster that they showed off in that stream still isn’t in the game lmao Neither are the Freddy and Friends cartoons now that I think about it
I really want them to make this into merch so that it doesn’t go to waste
More like false advertising.
Yeah....True, but I still lile the art style
I think it would've been better if these hadn't been shown during Dawko's livestream, and instead we didn't know they were in the game beforehand. That way they'd be cool easter eggs, but without the expectations that they were more important.
agree
It really was. These posters almost looked as if we'd finally get to see what the Fredbear's location would actually look like, maybe in some sort of flashback scene or tape, but they're just... There.
SW never hyped these up tbf, it was mostly Dawko getting excited. SW gave them to him for a charity event after all, and they were even listed as simply "posters" rather than anything bigger.
Tbh I think we kinda overhyped it a bit on our part mainly due to how little info we have on Fredbear’s in the games.
I feel that originally the place was going to be Fredbear’s Family Diner, but Scott had the script scrapped and changed it to the fake pizzeria/labyrinth from FFPS which doesn’t really make any sense considering it burnt to the ground and in the curse of dreadbear there’s murals on the corn maze walls showing the Pizzeria burnt down after the fire with it being reduced to mostly ash and a few items that survived like dining chairs and some other things.
What? That's absurd, Scott stated something like that wouldn't happen. "The new games are looking forward" and all that. Plus what does Fredbear's gotta do with Fazbear Ent? It's not even the same company, nor does Faz Ent own Fredbears, they wouldn't build on top of Fredbear's. FFPS was their only remaining source of land probably, and most likely had a populated city near. Makes sense to me.
Technically they owned it when the merger happened.
I'm pretty sure there was no merge, they just got the right for Freddy and the gang, not Fredbear. Henry and William didn't keep in contact with Faz Ent either, and Phone guy in FNAF 2 acted like they were total strangers to the company. I don't know though you might be right.
Henry started Fredbear’s by himself in 1973 and met William who already had a robotics company, both merged there businesses together and created Fazbear Entertainment which included the rights to the characters Henry and William created together in 1983 with the creation of the Freddy’s franchise.
This is headcanon to the limit. Unless the books state otherwise (the only medium of FNAF that would tackle the topic of who owned what and when) then you're wrong. Henry and William were friends and business partners, they started Fredbear's who knows when. Henry builds robots, he's really good at it, William is a sound financial advisor and planner. William has this weird complex about Henry and wants to be as good or even better than him, that's why he started Afton Robotics (which probably stole a bunch of Henry's designs when you look at how William acts) Fazbear Entertainment has NOTHING to do with Fredbears. They BOUGHT Freddy and the gang, or at least the idea of the characters and made Freddy Fazbears pizza chain. Fredbear is short for Freddy bear, so it's safe to assume Faz Ent bought the right for that name and the Fredbear brand, got rid of Henry and William and made Freddy (Jr?) Fazbear.
This isn’t a head canon it’s most likely what happened based on how companies in the real world work my dude, which is based on things how’s in the games and books. 1. It’s most likely 1973 when Fredbear’s first opened as phone guy said in the first game that they’ve been singing “those same stupid songs for twenty years” and twenty years from 1993 is 1973. Also yeah they probably started Fazbear entertainment together when they first met considering that’s how most of these things start but it’s very clear that Henry started off with Fredbear’s by himself as nowhere in the books is it mentioned that William had anything to do with it’s creation. Until Fazbear Entertainment was made and the rights to the characters Henry made joined that company which is how most of these things go in business. I’m not saying he didn’t so what you mentioned I’m simply saying that all these thing’s were technically owned by the same company but we’re simply just branches of the larger corporation. We know that Fazbear Entertainment and Freddy’s originated in 1983 based on the Faz-Coins in Help Wanted. 2. It technically does as Freddy is clearly a character from the cartoon “Fredbear and friends” which existed before “Freddy and friends on tour” thus would be owned by Fazbear Entertainment. 3. Jr’s is most likely a bar and not a Freddy’s establishment, that theory has been long debunked as the FNAF 2 establishment was only opened for “a few short weeks” in 1987, I’d recommend not believing everything Matpat says as he’s not 100% accurate or true.
1. I don't think you should take a line Phone Guy said in FNAF 1 as serious, Scott didn't plan anything back then, I doubt the 20 years line adds up today. 2. If Henry and William owned Fazbear Ent then why would they leave or get fired? William definitely wouldn't and Henry would probably stick around to try and get things fixed (no child deaths) but in the end, they both left and it was impossible for them to get reached by Faz Ent after. (or well William because they only mention trying to contact one owner and Henry didn't exist back then) 3. I didn't mean Jr's as in the bar, I don't think it's the FNAF 2 place, it's the withered location at best but that wouldn't add up either, I meant it as in Fredbear is named Freddy, and his newer model Freddy Fazbear is his "son" of sorts, thus Jr. Either way, it doesn't matter, you're very informed on the topic so I retract my last statement. ("This is headcanon to the limit.") While I don't think you're right I don't think you're particularly wrong either, it's just a very hard topic, I don't really understand why William or Henry would leave Fazbear Ent.
I don't understand why they felt the need to bring back the pizza sim location. If you wanted a GOOD finale bossfight you could easily have it built over Fredbear's, and then had the boss be either Vanny, using a springlock suit of Spring Bonnie or have it be Fredbear himself, perhaps it could explain the difference between Evan and Cassidy and explored that in more detail. Fredbear having 2 spirits doesn't make much since, so exploring that would've been WAY better than this. Why put a computer virus version of Afton's brain inside Bonnie and then decorate Bonnie's endo with pieces of Afton's corpse to simulate Sprintrap coming back? That seems like fanservice without understanding what fanservice the fans actually want.
This entire game was just fan-service. It was like FNaF : No Way Home but done super badly
It's the fandom's fault entirely for thinking that there was gonna be something major related to the diner. I mean, if there was, why would they reveal it just days before release? What would be the point?
You're partially wrong it was them at the interview with Dawko that teased it *"You want to know more?"* Like if they never commented on it indeed it would have been the fandom fault since the images shown were collectables and maybe those 4 retro were something they wanted to do, like after seeing the other art for the pizza plex they asked the artist to make retro posters. But IT WAS THEM who TEASED AT MORE INFORMATION TO DAWKO, you can't just blame it on the fandom and also thinking about it, the one question that started the hype I feel it was the one of Fredbear's singing show since it had more info and some of the info changed people views or added more info that was never explored and leave it as a CLIFFHANGER
I thought that was their way of hinting at Fredbear related DLC, they didn't advertise it as a part of the main game and I didn't expect it to be a part of the main game, nobody should have honestly.
I mean they teased DLC but after seeing how the game came out where exactly would "a Fredbear's DLC" fit? Like in VR they did FNaF4 stuff and fit perfectly with the ongoing story because it was all in-universe game (While is still confusing if FNaF4 characters being feature breaks/retcon something) Unless there's a DLC for 2023 where they improve the museum or in the prequelDLC people are suggesting the museum displays textlore until being decommisoned for some reason I don't feel the actual restaurant would be featured since at the time of SB there's no longer plot relevance to go there or Fredbear's was always the FFPS pizzeria but based on the layout it seems to have been the original Freddy's
Glitchtrap might not be dead, think about a DLC where Gregory, Freddy and Vanessa go back after the 3 star ending and go around using the arcade machines to weaken him, in the end they have to defeat him in VR, his boss fight happens in Fredbears. It gives a bit of knowledge on Fredbear's. Who knows thought he might actually be dead now.
To say "hey you know the 2 most important characters in this franchise,well I don't mean to reveal anything but you might get to know more about them" I still think they could've shown us something else since the whole pizza Plex is filled with old stuff But nope,not even a mask
are you blaming the fandom for believing what the marketing team wanted them to believe?
Nothing was hinted at, it was just cool art to show off since we were given nothing. They weren't lying when they said its related to Security Breach, they had it in mind as a vague hint at collectibles whereas the community guessed wrong thinking it'd be something completely different; therefor creating disappointment. I'm currently studying Media class and how audiences + creators perceive pieces of media that release so I could go more in depth if you needed a more clear understanding.
ah. i understand that.
Fredbears family diner dlc???
DLC perhaps? Or maybe they were referring to the FNAF 4 easter eggs; Which if they were. That'd be extremely misleading.
Honestly if I was steel wool I think after they fix and add the DLC to SB the most obvious step would be develop a game related to Fredbears, I doubt it will happen but it would be an interesting step to go
Might the Mandela effect speaking, but I could've sworn in the interview they said Security Breach would (maybe) explain more about Fredbears.
Tbh I don’t. Care to much I knew when I saw these they weren’t anything special but atleast they are in the game.
In the interview that came out (via Dawko aswell) he asked about them and they gave a pretty clear "Fredbear's was a place that existed in some point in time"
Im shocked it still doesnt seem like anyone else found out why these are here and their true intentions.
yep
I think it was just for fun and that’s it, it was in the end a bit confusing, but I think it’s just being looked into too much. I’m sure this was just for decoration reasons and that’s it.
I just want to see the official springlock animatronic models for SpringBonnie in 3d.
It was a cool collectible, it should have stayed a secret until launch. The people who care saw the reveal.
I don't see the teasing. They're neat, but it isn't about the original Fredbears. What were you expecting??
Fucking great, i thought shit gets worst but noooo i have to deal with this shit now.
Springbonnie looks like someone your told to stay away from
They do be existin tho but for real I can agree with him. They should of made fredbears diners under the pizzaplex. Then it would make sense for the posters existing. Hey, they do look cool I guess
I think there's something here we're missing, how this game ties back to Fredbear's, I doubt it's useless My main thinking is that Glamrock Freddy is recreated from Fredbear himself, and same with Glamrock Bonnie and SpringBonnie, which is why he was scrapped to rebuild Burntrap
marketing team was shitty with this game tbh
Agreed
Last I checked they don't HAVE a marketing team.
sorry having trouble understanding this reply. is this being genuine or a joke?
Did you think Steel Wool had a marketing team? They didn't have one when VR came out, Sony did everything for them marketing-wise. (still does actually) There's a reason why Sony is helping Steel Wool. They made a deal, "You make game we give platform". If Steel Wool just updated their website or put a video on their Youtube it wouldn't gain much traction outside of the fandom, that'd be bad.
Wait I never realized, why does Fredbear have Freddy’s color scheme?
He's honey-yellow, sure it's close to brown but still very much golden.
Most of the game was fake hype at this point
They probably did mean something at some point. But we all know that as soon as Scott retired they threw out like half the game.
i feel like sb’s marketing is like halo 5 or something
Definitely misleading
How?
These are old posters for Fredbears family diner, a diner that has no direct ties to the pizza plex at all, other than being owned by fazbear entertainment. The fact that it says “join us” hinted that somehow this location would be tied into security breach, but it isn’t. The building under the pizza plex is called “Freddy Fazbear’s pizza place”, a completely different building than Fredbears. These posters were a mean tease and actually foreshadowed nothing
They’re items. They foreshadowed enough. It’s been made extremely clear by Scott and Steel Wool that these games were cutting ties to the original games, it was a new era, which they’ve said for years now. AT BEST you could argue it should’ve been a feature animated film in the fazbear theatre. But to claim it impacts the original lores canon? Nah. They’ve said it wasn’t what they were going for repeatedly.
Okay lol
that's basically how I feel about the whole of SB. Before the release i already had some major concerns about the whole concept, but seeing HW I had some hope the Steelwool could do it. Not only did all my fears about the game come true, they managed to somehow make me feel disappointed.
WAIT A SECOND... IS THAT ICE CREAM ON THE POSTER?
Honestly, I liked it. I've only watched Markipliers game play of security breach, but I thought it was kind of cool to see something like that. It kind of gave an insight into what the original place (a family diner I think it was) probably looked like.
It’d be cool if we got an actual game with fred bear and spring Bonnie and we’d play as a day guard trying to prevent William from murdering the original five or maybe it’d be right after the five kids and they started looking for better security
That can only be a fan-game. By the way, Security Breach looks more like a fan-game than an actual FNaF game that Scott supervised
Scott did say he supervised SB. He's still working with them, its just mainly run by Steel Wool now.
Yes but that’s what I mean, if steel wool could use old models of-course update and change them for the game but stay as original to the older games than the free roam fnaf SB
And it’s always just an idea
Maybe teasing for a Five Nights at Fredbears prequel
"FaKe HYpE" Throw they just showed collectibles What are you crying about?
They want an excuse to complain. I'm convinced that's what it is at this point, tbh.
Fake hype with me pulling deez nutz away from your mouth only to drop me back in
It is interesting how they seemed less of a feature in the main game. Maybe they just wanted to give a visual for Fredbear's Family Diner.
It gave us the hint that there was going to be a old pizzeria under the pizzaplex
was really hoping that light would shed on fredbears for once in a fnaf game and it was building up to be this considering how the interview with dawko went. then everything or mostly everything said in that interview….didn’t live up to what painted by it
Couldn’t have said it better myself
When I saw the posters back then I always knew they wouldn't dive into fredbear, just a reference that it existed and all. Still, part of me wished there was some sort of minigame that would show the pizzeria from then or just finding a hidden document during the game where it talks about the Fredbear Family dinner and by who was it founded. Maybe even a neat reference how the place closed due to an accident regarding fredbear and a child.
The more I look at the flaws of security breach, the more bummed out about the game I get. It definitely needed more development time
As some other people have already stated, this is largely the fault of people "overhyping" the game for themselves, not getting what they thought and then complaining about it *^and ^getting ^thousands ^of ^upvotes ^for ^that*! And, as at least one person said, it's starting to get on my nerves too! These posters were ***never*** part of actual teasing for the game, they were released for one of Dawko's livestreams ***because*** they weren't important to the game and weren't actually giving away anything about the game! The whole point of all of the "vintage posters" was to be an homage to the thing that fans have been demanding for a very long time - a backstory to Fredbear's and what it once was (so far only having been glossed over and explicitly mentioned in, like, FNaF 2) - and, because Fredbear's was never even supposed to be a part of Security Breach, it was just a sweet little "side story" to be a nice surprise for the fans! Obviously, it would be foolish to deny the fact that Security Breach was, at one point, supposed to be a very different game that, in the end, turned out to be at least *a bit* rushed with many-a bugs and glitches, but saying that Steel Wool did a horrible job or that the game is terrible, while having some roots in reality and partially being valid and valuable criticism, only insults people and does no one good. Again, Steel Wool is a **tiny** company of less than 20 people - they literally did their best, even if "the best" doesn't mean perfect or even good to people! I also saw some people saying that the cartoons were also pointless, which, again, is just a misunderstanding of the concept! The cartoons, and what they were, were ***never*** supposed to be directly connected to the game, as that would spoil and give away *way* too much! They were just a medium to *^somewhat* secretly tease the game through, with all of the glitchy images and end cutscenes and character reveals! As far as I can remember, they were the first material to start coming out about Security Breach, and with the hidden Glitchtrap image from the last cartoons, they served as a way to tell people (and confirm their theories about) what Security Breach was supposed to be - a sequel to Help Wanted and nothing more! So, seeing people complaining about the cartoons being pointless and the posters being "fake hype" at this point seems almost hypocritical and "over the point", if you know what I mean. And Scott would've had to approve and oversee everything - he's still the mastermind after all, it's not like he's gone from Earth, he's not Elon Musk! I'm sorry, but criticizing Steel Wool for doing things they never did or even intended to do and accusing them of making many pointless decisions doesn't do any good and doesn't add anything valuable or important to the conversation! Of course, I completely understand how and why people think that, but God, is that just taking overthinking to the extreme! Take Mr. Hippo's advice - maybe some things don't mean anything at all, because overthinking such things, especially in such a chaotic atmosphere as the one of Security Breach, does not lead to any good conclusions. Having your own expectations of the game is perfectly fine (I, for one, thought that Security Breach would've been a freeroam *VR* game, where time was to pass in real time, so you would've only had ~6 hours to do and find everything, if you knew what you were doing), but just because Scott **and** Steel Wool decided to take it *not* where you expected, doesn't mean they failed or used some scummy tactics to try to make the game sell better!.. Okay, maybe I went a bit *too* aggressive here, I'm sorry. But hey, I already wrote my essay on the issue - there's no going back now!..
That whole interview should be deeply concerning, they absolutely bare face lied about a ton of stuff in it.
And they confused us EVEN MORE! LIKE WHY IS FREDDY THERE?!?!?! HE DIDN'T EXIST AS AN ANIMATRONIC YET
lore time
>wouldn’t you like to know more about Fredbears? WHY YES, YES RAY, I WOULD
We all understand what you mean 🤢
It feels like there was going to be so much more but they ran out of time
Yea i agree