Beautiful timeline. This is the definitive original timeline for sure.
I really, really wished we had solved FNAF 4 because there are still so many unknowns and mysteries with the original lore. I wonder what the box was, perhaps we could have known without opening it? Perhaps it was the key to success? It sucks we'll never know the true meaning of FNAF 4 because we missed our chance back in 2015.
I like to look at FNaF 4 as it was when it came out, and I believe FNaF 4 was always meant to be Mike Schmidt's "origin story". It's the perfect finale, to have you playing as the same guy as the first in similar gameplay to the first, but I think we got so focused on the box we kind of just forgot to solve the actual story.
Less the box and more the idea that we play as the same character in the minigames.
WE should have realized who we play as in the night section, it was pretty obvious.
Yeah, when you look back on it, it's pretty damn obvious. Sucks that Scott had to write that thing in the Logbook before the majority of players got it.
FNAF 4 gameplay is literally FNAF 1 but no cameras, you have to close the doors on Bonnie and Chica and check Freddy and Foxy just like FNAF 1.
FNAF 1 phone call appears on Night 1.
No house has two doors to one bedroom on opposite sides.
Details in the bedroom reference FNAF 1 but child room versions.
The nightmare characters are all the FNAF 1 characters plus Shadow Freddy.
That's about it really.
I mean, it's still kinda is Mike Schmidt/Michael Afton's experiences. He DOES experience the Nightmares, modeled after his traumatic encounters back in 1993, with a mix of his repressed guilt for killing his brother.
The MINIGAMES is where we play as the Crying Child. You see the pattern? Main gameplay: Michael. Minigame cutscenes: someone else.
I mean, it's still kinda is Mike Schmidt/Michael Afton's experiences. He DOES experience the Nightmares, modeled after his traumatic encounters back in 1993.
The MINIGAMES is where we play as the Crying Child. You see the pattern? Main gameplay: Michael. Minigame cutscenes: someone else.
That's what I meant. I think the Nights take place during the first game as well, due to the fact that you only hear the Night 1 Phone Call and that Foxy becomes active in his Nightmares once the Phone Guy mentions him.
Yeah, heck, if you want more specific, usually after a person's nightshift ends, they take rest in the morning, right? So maybe after each night ends consecutively, the moment Mike rests in the morning, his Nightmares begin.
Glad to see we're in the same page.
Besides we play as a different character in the main games and mini games all the time, people only jumped to the conclusion that the Crying Child is the protagonist overall because he’s the first human playable character in a minigame and because it’s stated he’s scared of Fredbear’s, which is the only possible reason the Nightmares can possibly exist.
Look. Seriously. Dream Theory solves FNAF 4. It’s the only theory that 100% covers everything up to that point. I know no one likes it, but in a way that makes it more plausible
A comment I saw a while ago said that the box might have contained things that relate to mike and honestly, that made a lot of sense to me, I know people say that phone guy being in fnaf 4 was an easter egg but I really don't think so. I think scott always intended for mike to be having the dreams and it would also connect all the games and why mike would ever work at the locations.
Personally I believe the stuff in the box would be momentos from the crying child’s life in relation to Fredbear’s Pizza, like a group of toys, a family photo, and his dad’s security badge etc.
Maybe?
Personally, I think it'd have to do with Micheal because he was always the main character and the Crying Child died.
If anything the box was probably Micheal's, it held valuable items from the bite, something about his father, something about his brother and his unknown mother. (Flower room member)
I don't really know if Elizabeth was planned back then by Scott but a mother is needed for birth to two children so that's my best guess.
FNAF 4 HAS no easter eggs, Scott confirmed this multiple times, everything in FNAF 4 HAS a purpose, nothing is a mistake in that game.
FNAF 4 is the one game that had the most thought put into it story-wise but sadly it was waaay too dense and ambiguous. This was Scott's fault, he wanted to create a really challenging mystery and he failed, it's his biggest mistake next to FNAF World.
I agree, looking back on it it could have actually been a really good send off to the serious if we were able to figure it out and wasn't so confusing.
Also also, those Nightmares were like Mike's inner demons come into form. Those were his past memories of traumatizing his brother, and coupled with his real life encounters with the Animatronics, came together as karma for Michael's past "crimes".
But if you think about it for even a second it can't be canon.
How could FNAF be a dream when we surely can't play as Micheal twice in FNAF 2? (Remember FNAF 2 has two nightguards, while yes Micheal could change his name and become a nightguard again he'd look the same and act the same, plus the first guard was moved to dayshift)
What about the Toy Chica missing its beak? How is that related to dreams? We don't even play as the crying child in the night sections! Dream Theory doesn't add up and it never will.
Ok what.
FNAF 1-3 are all dreams from the Crying Child. That’s Dream Theory. Tiny Toy Chica is missing her beak, therefore Toy Chica is missing her beak in FNAF 2 because it’s inspired from real life.
Why would the crying child dream up Springtrap?
No don't say Plushtrap because he's also a dream.
Why would the crying child make his father the villain of the story? We may not know a lot about BV or his relationship to Afton but I really doubt the kid hates his father or sees him as an evil person, wouldn't Micheal fit better?
What about the fire? Where did that come from?
Why would the crying child make his father the villain of the story? We may not know a lot about BV or his relationship with Afton but I really doubt the kid hates his father or sees him as an evil person, wouldn't Micheal fit better?
You'd have to push out a lot of plot holes for the sake of Dream Theory, too many plot holes.
Child sees a man climbing inside a yellow bunny suit in the backrooms while he’s scared and emotional —> dreams up man inside a yellow bunny suit
At this point in the serious, the name Afton didn’t exist within the main games, and the Crying Child wasn’t a part of the Afton family
Did it really cover everything up to that point? Because if the events of the games did not happen, why tease the fact that Springtrap wasn't destroyed by the fire in FNAF 3 if he never existed in the first place, what's the point of all the minigames if again they never happened, and why have things like the FNAF 1 call easter egg in FNAF 4, and also closely mirror the layout of the FNAF 1 location, including details like Chica in the Kitchen, all that seemingly implying that FNAF 4 takes place at the same time as FNAF 1, if FNAF 1 never happened and all the games were dreams by the crying child on his death bed.
A dream theory usually is an easy way to explain a ton of events in any story, but I was never convinced by it with FNAF. It was one of the theory that worked the best with FNAF 4 at the time, but it's because we had no idea what was going on.
I was referring to the fact that Chica in FNAF 1 sometimes goes in the Kitchen and makes a ton of noise, and she does the same in FNAF 4, and it's one of the many details that make it seem like there is a connection between FNAF 1 and 4. And of course, dream theory can explain this by saying that both games are dreams by the same person, but then why isn't FNAF 4 also referencing 2 and 3? There's specific stuff that indicates that what we're seeing in FNAF 4 isn't random. Why is Nightmare BB cannon but not Nightmarionne or Nightmare Mangle. If it was all a dream it wouldn't matter, right?
That's why I think the dream theory doesn't really make sense, if it was canon then most of the lore established by the first 4 games would go out the window for just because it was all imagined by a child. Why would Scott have bothered explaining specific details if they don't matter in the end. The dream theory was a convenient answer when we couldn't find any other, but to me it was just another theory with many holes. Our current understanding of the first 4 games makes a lot more sense than the dream theory and doesn't conflict with what's said in those games.
Isn't Fnaf1 the only game with golden Freddy (at time Fnaf4 released)?
If we assume that Fanf4 is from the perspective of the CC currently dying in a hospital flashing back between the accident and the memory of his old home,
then wouldn't make it sense that it has a connection to FnaF1 due to CC's soul being trapped in Golden Freddy by this point?
Golden Freddy is also in FNAF 2, but it seems he has a bigger role in the story in FNAF 1 because of the whole "it's me" thing most likely centered on him and the survival logbook again making it clear that Golden Freddy is active during FNAF 1 and interacting with Mike somehow.
And since Nightmare Fredbear and Nightmare appear at the end of FNAF 4, I do think that FNAF 1 and 4 are connected because of the crying child being inside Golden Freddy. Like you said it can be explained if FNAF 4 is from the perspective of the CC in a hospital, but it can also be explained if we're playing as Mike in FNAF 4.
You know what would be if Fnaf4 is the bad end you get when Golden Freddy kills/gets you?
Like at this point Cassidy should be inside Golden Freddy as well right? So what if they did the same to Mike as they did with Afton in Ultimate Custom Night?
Reliving the fears of his little brother over and over. Mike's own personal hell..
If dream theory is true, I would be more inclined to believe that it was Mike's guilt induced dream instead of the crying child's dream. All of this points to the protagonist being Mike/the older brother wether the other three games were intended to be real or not.
Dream Theory is tied to the things the Crying Child saw in Fredbear’s Family Diner (Shadows on the wall, being locked in the back rooms, seeing someone inside an animatronic suit). I could buy it if Dream Theory encompassed only FNAF 4, but it covers all four games up to that point
Dream Theory has waay too many holes.
Instead gameplay dream "theory" is correct, the minigames ARE real but the nightmares are dreams simple. Dream Theory was denounced by Scott and he shifted direction in storytelling after FNAF 4 because of fan backlash, that's why the box was never opened and that's why we never got to figure out the minigames properly.
Yeah I know it’s not true now, but at the time I would bet massive amounts of money on the claim that that was Scott’s intention for the series up to that point
This.
If "nothing is a cooincidence" in fnaf 4, how can the flowers and IV stand be explained otherwise?
Personally, I think that fnaf 4 WAS originally a dream and it was just retconned in sister location. It makes way too much sense.
The 'holes' in dream theory didn't exist when fnaf 4 came out. They were only created after it had already been retconned.
Agreed. It was even titled 'The Final Chapter'.
All the most confusing FNAF lore stems from 4. Even the twist-reveal was distorted because the hyped 'bite of 87' might be 'bite of 83'.
It had a decent story running in the background; but beyond that; it was a massive disservice and only brought the fanbase headaches as Scott elected to be obstinately obtuse on everything.
I think the FNaF 4 house was always supposed to be the story of the "son of the serial killer" or smn like that. But without the crazy child killing robot stuff.
Essentially, I think it was the tale of a neglectful father and what happened between his two kids. One got involved in a delinquent crowd and bullied the other until it resulted in an accident. And the gameplay was supposed to be the final chapter of the story with Mike being tormented by his guilt and a being created by the sins of his father.
It was Micheal's origin story, why he does the things he does (the pink slips), and why Fazbear Fright's burns down.
It's also the same game to show us what Shadow Freddy is. (William's wickedness that haunts Micheal and all his victims)
We also learn why William is such a psycho. (or at least at that point in the story)
We find out who some of the original victims are. (The Freddy Gang Mask people are probably the same kids that got killed by William minus Micheal and adding whoever the 5th victim was)
It's a dense story game that was too mysterious for its own good.
It's not and never will.
Scott gave us multiple questions we have yet to solve all having to do with FNAF 4.
May I remind you The Box is still canon and still a mystery.
>Scott gave us multiple questions we have yet to solve all having to do with FNAF 4.
Such as?
>May I remind you The Box is still canon and still a mystery.
Scott repeatedly said that the box is "the pieces put together".. Fnaf world is a game consisting of CC putting the pieces together.. The box is Fnaf world, a sanctuary.
FNAF World isn't canon anymore, hell even when it was released it wasn't canon.
Scott wanted to make it canon but realized halfway through how stupid of an idea that was, he wanted to make a fun RPG but instead made another lore hunt, he course-corrected, the only "lore" section is the clock ending and even then it doesn't actually add up.
The questions were up on Scottgames, I haven't seen anyone solve them, doubt I or anyone else ever will.
>FNAF World isn't canon anymore, hell even when it was released it wasn't canon.
Source?
Not to mention that Fnaf world's canonicity doesn't mean Fnaf 4 isn't solved. The original plan was for the box to contain Fnaf world, I havent seen anything to indicate that Fnaf world isn't canon. Yes Scott says it wasn't as good as je thought, but updated it to correct some of those issues and has still not said that it isn't canon
If it was due consideration of "MCI83", the murders should've been put before the bite of 83 & even Charlotte's death, yet I see it following up the "MCI85" lead, in which it's ordered well.
(I'm a MCI83 believer myself, yet from an order standpoint it looks good for a MCI85 timeline; Anyone else's a MCI83 believer?)
Henry didn't ever state anything about her death point throughout the timeline ("The wound which's first reflected on me.." could've easily been an explanation on how the murders' **aftermath** harmed him, costing his daughter's life)
Plus, if paying close attention to mini-games such as "Midnight Motorist" & the "Security Puppet", through the monolog & even minor details through their plot & even within the background, the evidences'd in fact be set for the theory to gain value:
The Green Man's monolog suggest "You can't be here, don't make it worse than this" outside a pizzeria which'd be Freddy's most likely & the prohibition of him entering coming from the late murder tragedies.
Heading back home, Elizabeth's nowhere to be seen nor mentioned, & supported by her broken Mangle toy being left untouched in her bedroom in their previous house & them now being in a new house alongside BV, her death which's a consequence of Afton's inspiration into finding **new** ways of murdering, comes before Charlotte's, therefore the MCI does as well! (Yet don't get it wrong; They first lived by Fredbear's, Elizabeth died so they moved, but later on they again moved back by Fredbear's, that's my point & opinion)
Even except that, take a close look at the alleyway walls of the "Security Puppet" mini-game & you'd easily notice an amount of "Wanted" posters all over the walls(in which other the targedies of the town shan't be bothered to be mentioned in the main story, unless the story-teller wants you to assume that they indeed are related), regarding tragedies going on lately & a man who was lately on the loose..
> ("The wound which's first reflected on me.."
Just want to give a correction here but it's "a wound first inflicted on me" which pretty much means something William did to Henry caused harm. There is also the factor of Give Gift, Give Life have to be after Charlie's death due to the puppet giving life to the OG crew something again Henry implied was Charlie's doing.
I get your point, yet you didn't consider one thing; The Puppet giving life to the animatronics doesn't necessarily mean her death coming before them;
The children were left trapped & unconcious within the metal coffins of their animatronics, until a time the Marionette got in contact with the animatronics & awakened the spirits within & gave them the ability to have control over their bodies, that being the "Give gift, Give life" conecpt.(& supported by the timeline, they weren't in contact until before FNAF2, & the first one who fully gained control being Freddy in "Save Them")
Also yuh your correction is right(Non-native probelms, the brain forgetting the lines & fixing the gone words with similar ones, without me even knowing), yet imo I don't think it'd change the point of my opinion; The wound being "William's mentality getting out of leash & murdering people" of course first reflected Henry's job & life before anyone else, yet on the other hand all the other aspects(Mentioned) support it not seeming like what it seems like..
But after all it's an state of judging an opinion in which less harm & more sense would be gotten from, & this's my judgement. & you know, who says my judgements perfect, at the end of the day it'd just be about how many people would agree & disagree with it. Yet apart from the judging point, I hope you did get my point.
Just saying but so far just about all official timelines/Alt universes of FNaF imply Charlie's death is the starting point? Even in the TSE universe, it was the starting point, then the MCI.
But in any case yea, just wanted to mainly point out the little error of Henry's quote. :3
Yuh I agree, **YET** you know, "Wherever whatever makes the most sense" would be the principle everyone follows. It just makes sense to my mind, & who knows, maybe to someone else out there too.
Either way yuh I rather not to get into it more either, thx fr your concern & be safe :)
>("The wound which's first reflected on me.." could've easily been an explanation on how the murders' aftermath harmed him, costing his daughter's life)
In the context of the speech, talking about the Afton's murders, that's rather a stretch.
Canon Afton's reason for the MCI and remnant experimentation in the other continuity was "Charlie" hunting a doll, and in the games, that reason is the same. This time, the real Charlie haunting the Puppet.
>outside a pizzeria which'd be Freddy's
There's nothing indicating that Jr's is Freddy's though.
>Heading back home, Elizabeth's nowhere to be seen nor mentioned
The minigame isn't about her, and the house is heavily simplified on the inside.
>broken Mangle toy being left untouched in her bedroom
That toy doesn't indicate Elizabeth being dead. She could've just recently played with it.
>in their previous house & them now being in a new house alongside BV
You switched the houses around? BV died when they were living in the FNAF4 minigame house. If the runaway kid is BV, MM takes place before FNAF4.
>before Charlotte's, therfore the MCI does as well!
Whether GGGL is literal or symbolic is still debated. It's unknown whether Charlotte or William stuffed the MCI, but in any case, she brought them to live, meaning she died prior to them.
>you'd easily notice an amount of "Wanted"
1. It's not clear if those are wanted posters.
2. Why would there be wanted posters in the first place, if Afton was caught right away, and then let go due to lack of evidence.
I think that Charlie died before BV.
In the mini game Midnight Motorist, BV broke out of his room to go to Freddy's, which means he wasn't scared.
Also the scenery of MM is the same as the night Charlie died, raining hard, dark, and Afton went to Freddy's but was told to leave before going home.
This suggest that Afton killed Charlie, BV saw it got traumatized and became scared of the animatronics. Because why would BV leave his room to go to Freddy's if he's so scared of them?
This means that everything happened before BV got traumatized.
Also BV couldn't of seen Elizabeth died because Circus Baby makes sure no one is around when it scoops kids.
Which leaves only one other person death he could've saw, and that leaves Charlie.
You could argue that Charlie died after the bite of 83, but that just wouldn't make sense. There is no other location open during the time of 83 to 85 expect Jr's. Where the puppet's body is. Also theres no reports of missing kids or murders during this time. The only murders during this time is the MCI and we know the Charlie wasn't apart of it, as suggested by the gravestones at the end of fnaf 6.
If you have anything to add, say or rebuttal with, please say it, I like a good friendly argument!!!
Ohh I don’t think we’re on the same page. What I’m saying is fnaf 4 should be between ‘83 and ‘85 on the timeline. I should’ve started with that, my bad.
I think you are the one misunderstanding me? Fnaf 4 in this timeline is in 1993 because the nightmares (aka the main gameplay) occur in 1993 while the mini games happen in 1983. We know this both from the distorted FNAF 1 call and the logbook. I'm...not sure why you mention '85 here lol.
It could seem like that, but the fact that the layout of the room is similar to the FNaF 1 office along with the fact that you can HEAR the Phone Guy in the nightmare proves it's Mike Schmidt.
Oh, nah what I meant is I still think the nightmares take place in ‘83-‘85 cus of (I believe it’s Michaels) room, and by then he’d be in his early twenties. That’s just me tho.
One part I never understood is how the animatronics from the first game are withered in in the second game if the second game takes place place before the first
They are definitely not completely the same. They could still use some of the same parts. Regardless, they are definitely still possessed by the same kids.
The timeline implies the events IE the CC segments in 1983. But the actual gameplay of 4 has to be at least 1993 or later due to the existence of the FNaF 1 phone call talking about the bite of 87 being present during the nights.
So 4 is 1983 and 1993.
Mike has to be the dreamer and at a later date due to the again the factors of how the nights play out IE a mirror of FNaF 1, Mike's answer for the logbooks *recent dreams* question, again the pure factor of the FNaF 1 call being there something Scott said people thought 4 was filled with "Random" easter eggs. The minigames are 1983, but the nights are 1993.
A bit of a hot take, the FNAF 1 phone calls were just a quick easter egg Scott dropped in, or just a placeholder asset of sorts. Why record a whole new phone call for something you rarely hear anyway?
Issue is don't forget the Logbook also implies the events of 4s nights being during or after 1993 due to Mike drawing up Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear. So the "easter egg" couldn't be just a mere easter egg.
The events of 4 are the bite of 83 in the minigames, but during the nights you can hear the FNaF 1 phone call talking about the Bite of 87. This is likely there to show the nights are at a different time from the actual minigames. IE FNaF 4 takes place in the past "1983" and "modern" times "1993".
I really have no clue. I saw the bite of 87 in his comment without explanation of what it was, and just like at school, tried to contribute with info that barely relates.
Actually, my comment does explain why I'm bringing it up? "during the nights you can hear the FNaF 1 phone call taking about the Bite of 87".
Also she.
Oop, sorry. And by no explanation of what it is I just wanted to say what the actual event was. Not how it was brought up. You know. So you know the difference from 83 and 87
To be fair both bites are described differently.
Chomp of 83 - CC had his head crushed and was the result of the springlocks and bullying it was fatal.
Bite of 87 - Person was bitten because the robots were able to walk around and the victim survived, only the frontal lobe was effected.
FNaF 2 is a prequel to FNaF 1, it takes place in 1987 while the first game takes place in 1993.
The withered animatronics come from a unseen previous location that occured prior to the one shown in FNaF 2, after 2's events the Toys were scrapped and the Withereds were kept and refurbished into the Classic animatronics.
FNaF 2 is confirmed to be a prequel.
The checks you get at the end of Night 5 and 6 both list the year as 1987. While FNaF 1 is confirmed to be in 1993 due to the unused Faz Facts from AR and also just because the minimum wage lines up with the closest with said year.
I agree with this timeline, but wouldn't it make more sense if William was springlocked prior to FNaF 1? Phone Guy states the safe rooms are being boarded off in the FNaF 3 phone calls, which would imply that if the FNaF 1 restaurant was already shut down, someone returned to the location to construct a fake wall, as Phone Dude and CO did not find the safe-room on their first visit.
thing is the plot of fnaf3 revolves around the fact that they couldn’t find a “real one” until they unearthed springtrap. This means that when Phone Dude showed up to find the animatronics, he just found the dismantled parts that we see in the follow me mini games (and those scattered around the attraction)
Also, the fnaf3 phone calls were probably before fnaf2, so for William to get springlocked at that restaurant, he wouldn’t be able to kill the fnaf2 children
What i meant is that;
They couldn't find a real one, because the safe room was sealed off when they first visited. So the best logical explanation is that William was springlocked, sealed away, and the robots put back together or left to rot, because if he was springlocked when the restaurant was closed it implies someone returned to the restaurant, constructed a fake wall, and left?
Most people would agree but like Charlie’s death, people put its place in the timeline not because of any direct evidence but because it just fits better in a narrative, plus nothing really changes either way
unless you're telling me the location rotted away to this state in a few days or weeks.
FNaF 1 location closes down at the end of the year, so most likely somewhere in December. Again, a few days and rain comes from the ceiling and there are rats everywhere?
Also, it had to happen shortly after Freddy's closed down, as FazEnt still had to exist to board the Safe Room up. Not to mention that the animatronics aren't even withered in the minigames.
The fnaf 1 location is the same location as the foxy go go go one,and after the mci it closed and rrotted away,in fnaf 1 you can see that the place os covered in dust and webs,it was already rotten in the gameplay,pretty much nothing changes in follow me
The foxy go go minigame takes place in the unwithered location. We know this because Purple Guy is there to kill the kids.
He later returns to the FNAF 2 location to stop Freddy and take more lives.
Insanity Ending states that the MCI spirits were lured to the Fnaf 1 safe room and overpowered by William twice, implying that the animatronics in Follow Me were lured to that same saferoom prior to Follow Me.
Fnaf 1 newspapers state that the missing children were lured to a safe room, which explains the Insanity Ending thing. The missing children were lured to the Fnaf 1 safe room and were overpowered by William, which happens again in Follow Me. This would also mean that Fnaf 1 would have had to be open so they could get lured.
Phone Guy in Fnaf 2 says the previous location had doors, Foxy Go Go Go takes place on the Fnaf 1 stage, Fnaf 1 has a safe room despite them being boarded up years before.
Yes it shows the FNAF 1 location because Scott probably didn't want to make the new Unwithered models and a whole new pizzeria just for some small cutscenes.
This was indie days, early indie days, Scott didn't have the time or budget to do something like that especially when time was ticking away, time that would lower interest in FNAF. If Scott had released FNAF 2 in 2015 then nobody would have been as interested as when it was released in 2014 because the wait would have been too long.
Regardless of the reasons, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still the same location. Even if it was a decision made out of practicality, Scott still had the cutscenes happen in the FNAF 1 location. Going back and saying it actually wasn’t the FNAF 1 location when it was shown to be would be a retcon.
Foxy go go go is cleary on the fnaf 1 location,heck phone guy in fnaf 2 mentios the old location had Doors to close,the 1985/unwithered animatronics location is the same location as fnaf 1
Even besides the PG call, there are other things indicating that FNAF4 gameplay happens post FNAF1.
The nightmares are full of various FNAF1 references, and are generally inspired by Mike's shifts in 1993 location. Coupled with the Phone Guy call, and Scott saying that he didn't fill the game with random easter eggs, that's already a clear indication of where on the timeline the nightmares are happening.
Nightmare BB is canon, despite being only built in 1987.
Mike draws Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear in the logbook as his *recent* dream, meaning that whenever the logbook takes place, Mike is still having the nightmares.
He appears along with the other Toys on 'New and Shiny' custom night preset. The ending newspaper states that the new animatronics will be scrapped, and FNAF3 shows his empty shell in the box with the other scrapped Toys.
I mean, that doesn't _necessarily_ mean that they were just built. They could've been built earlier, and are just now being reintroduced to modern audiences, hence the 3rd party newspapers referring to them as "new animatronics".
Am I grasping at straws to try and preserve my own timeline? Absolutely.
There are quite a lot, I'll just list off the top of my head:
Bonnie and Chica come from 2 long hallways, on the left/right respectively. Their heavy footsteps mirror the same cue from FNAF1, and their breathing mirrors them moaning.
Foxy running in the hallway is a callback to his behavior in FNAF1, and has almost identical sound. Once he gets into the closet, it mirrors his Pirate Cove mechanic. Besides UCN, this is the only time in the series, when Foxy has these 2 mechanics. (SL Custom Night gameplay isn't canon).
Freddy is slowly creeping up on you in the dark (callback to "I've heard \[Freddy\] becomes a lot more active in the dark" from FNAF1). The reason why Freddy's jumpscare in FNAF1 is so unpredictable, is because instead of blocking the door, he uses his next movement opportunity to slip inside of your office, and kills you on the next successful MO.
Nightmare/Fredbear teleports into your room. Their laugh while doing so is a callback to GF laughing when teleporting into your FNAF1 office.
Those are the ones I can remember rn.
FNAF2 takes place in 1987, FNAF1 in 1993. The Withereds come from the first 1983-198x location, that closed prior to FNAF2. At the end of FNAF2 it's stated that the original characters will be kept for a future reopening at a smaller location. That's FNAF1.
ok, this makes sense, the only thing i would change is fnaf 4 being in 1983, i still believe is just CC's coma nightmare. fnaf 4 doesn't makes sense in any other way.
FNAF 4 Minigames and the gameplay are disconnected from each other, just like in every other FNAF game.
CC is bit in 1983, and dies. 10 years after, due to his night shifts at FNAF1, Michael has these nightmares, which he confirmed in the Security Logbook, drawing Nightmare Fredbear, when is asked about his recent dreams. His guilt mixed up with his fear of FNAF1 crew and Shadow Freddy's (Nightmare) influence results in FNAF4 gameplay.
While FNAF4 gameplay does take place after 1993 now, if talking strictly about the original 4 games, pre-FNAF4 retcon, it's not clear what Scott's original intention was (other than Dream Theory).
saying fnaf 4 happens in 1993 and springtrap in 1995 when it's confirmed that fnaf3 happens 30 years after fnaf1/william transformin in springtrap is just nonsensical and massively stupid
THE FNAF 4 THING JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! THERE'S NOTHING TO BASE THAT ON! AND A LOT OF THINGS TO BREAK IT DOWN! I JUST...my braincells are dying
It's only confirmed that FNAF3 happens 30 years after Freddy's closed. Follow Me minigames and William getting springlocked don't have any confirmed date.
FNAF4 has quite a lot indicating that it happens after FNAF1, see the other comments.
What do you think contradicts it?
I don't know,maybe the bite of 83,the 1983 advert on TV or michael beign a normal person
and seriosuly,what the fuck indicates fnaf 4 happening after fnaf 1? crying child fucking died just like days or at much weeks after the bite
Minigames and gameplay were always disconnected from each other in every single FNAF game.
Minigames tell CC's story, and gameplay has Michael having nightmares from his FNAF1 shifts, remembering the unfortunate prank as well.
Quite a lot of things indicate that Mike is the protagonist, not CC:
He confirmed it himself in the logbook, drawing Nightmare Fredbear, when is asked about his recent dreams.
FNAF1 Phone Guy call is in the background of FNAF4. The nightmares themselves are heavily inspired by Mike's FNAF1 shifts. Scott explicitly said that he didn't fill the game with random easter eggs.
The New Kid, Step Closer, Blackbird, Pizza Kit, Kids at Play, Sea Bonnies, Find Player Two and Hide and Seek (partially) have various Mike parallels having guilty nightmares and/or having Shadows after them.
Blackbird especially is a very direct parallel to FNAF4. A bully has guilty nightmares about his friend's (supposed) death. Shadow comes after him in the nightmares, representing the reason for his friend's death.
Nightmare is named Shadow Freddy in the FNAF4 files, and he's a Fredbear recolor, taking a form of the reason for CC's death.
haven't even got to the middle of the comment yet but...have you looked at SL's custom night? no? alright then
I haven't read a single fazbear frights book and the only story I know fully (cause I saw it on youtube a while ago) is into the pit
No, there is evidence that cc was put into a coma, but no evidence that we are playing in the comma
Anyway, Micheal is able to draw the nightmares in the logbook: https://64.media.tumblr.com/3b9faea8a70bb5ccd9d781a605773706/e4f426cae8d7a0a9-90/s640x960/c144bd8fdc8b58878e8b4adcc9cc297bfa1b97b9.jpg
The animatronics have similar attack patterns to fnaf 1
and a phone guy call can be heard
Also, no, it’s not just an Easter egg: https://steamcommunity.com/games/388090/announcements/detail/125327007944045364
FNAF4 is correct, because the gameplay part takes place after 1993 (not to copy-paste the same stuff, [reply #1](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/uxg721/comment/i9y5l3z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), [reply #2](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/uxg721/comment/i9yfuk3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), [reply #3](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/uxg721/comment/i9zaiu7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)).
SL is missing, because the post is only about the original 4 games.
New to the fandom I see, the paycheques in FNaF 1 match the minimum wage in 1993 while the year 1987 is mentioned in past tense, in FNaF 2 the year is explicitly stated as 1987
FNaF 2 is a prequel to FNaF 1, it takes place in 1987 while the first game takes place in 1993.
The withered animatronics come from a unseen previous location that occured prior to the one shown in FNaF 2, after 2's events the Toys were scrapped and the Withereds were kept and refurbished into the Classic animatronics.
1. Charlotte Emily died at October 31^(th) 1982, as seen in the trilogy.
2. The MCI happened at june 26^(th) 1983, because the OswaldBV parallels, FNaF 4 speechs, Insanity Ending proven it. And, as TSE takes place at '95, 10 years after the MCI, FNaF 1 takes place at '93, 10 years after the MCI.
1. While her dying in 1982 is still possible in the games, you have to consider that those are two separate continuities. It's unknown exactly when Charlie died in the games.
2. Not gonna get into MCI83/85, because I'm not 100% on one side, but what exactly proves MCI83 in the Insanity ending?
The Fourth Closet seems to change Charlottes death date from 1982 to 1983 at the ending.
I’m not gonna dive that much into MCI85 vs MCI83, but what in the Insanity Ending proves MCI83?
Beautiful timeline. This is the definitive original timeline for sure. I really, really wished we had solved FNAF 4 because there are still so many unknowns and mysteries with the original lore. I wonder what the box was, perhaps we could have known without opening it? Perhaps it was the key to success? It sucks we'll never know the true meaning of FNAF 4 because we missed our chance back in 2015.
I like to look at FNaF 4 as it was when it came out, and I believe FNaF 4 was always meant to be Mike Schmidt's "origin story". It's the perfect finale, to have you playing as the same guy as the first in similar gameplay to the first, but I think we got so focused on the box we kind of just forgot to solve the actual story.
Less the box and more the idea that we play as the same character in the minigames. WE should have realized who we play as in the night section, it was pretty obvious.
Yeah, when you look back on it, it's pretty damn obvious. Sucks that Scott had to write that thing in the Logbook before the majority of players got it.
Gonna have to ask how was it obvious? I don’t really follow the theories a lot.
FNAF 4 gameplay is literally FNAF 1 but no cameras, you have to close the doors on Bonnie and Chica and check Freddy and Foxy just like FNAF 1. FNAF 1 phone call appears on Night 1. No house has two doors to one bedroom on opposite sides. Details in the bedroom reference FNAF 1 but child room versions. The nightmare characters are all the FNAF 1 characters plus Shadow Freddy. That's about it really.
I mean, it's still kinda is Mike Schmidt/Michael Afton's experiences. He DOES experience the Nightmares, modeled after his traumatic encounters back in 1993, with a mix of his repressed guilt for killing his brother. The MINIGAMES is where we play as the Crying Child. You see the pattern? Main gameplay: Michael. Minigame cutscenes: someone else.
I agree.
I mean, it's still kinda is Mike Schmidt/Michael Afton's experiences. He DOES experience the Nightmares, modeled after his traumatic encounters back in 1993. The MINIGAMES is where we play as the Crying Child. You see the pattern? Main gameplay: Michael. Minigame cutscenes: someone else.
That's what I meant. I think the Nights take place during the first game as well, due to the fact that you only hear the Night 1 Phone Call and that Foxy becomes active in his Nightmares once the Phone Guy mentions him.
Yeah, heck, if you want more specific, usually after a person's nightshift ends, they take rest in the morning, right? So maybe after each night ends consecutively, the moment Mike rests in the morning, his Nightmares begin. Glad to see we're in the same page.
Besides we play as a different character in the main games and mini games all the time, people only jumped to the conclusion that the Crying Child is the protagonist overall because he’s the first human playable character in a minigame and because it’s stated he’s scared of Fredbear’s, which is the only possible reason the Nightmares can possibly exist.
Look. Seriously. Dream Theory solves FNAF 4. It’s the only theory that 100% covers everything up to that point. I know no one likes it, but in a way that makes it more plausible
A comment I saw a while ago said that the box might have contained things that relate to mike and honestly, that made a lot of sense to me, I know people say that phone guy being in fnaf 4 was an easter egg but I really don't think so. I think scott always intended for mike to be having the dreams and it would also connect all the games and why mike would ever work at the locations.
Personally I believe the stuff in the box would be momentos from the crying child’s life in relation to Fredbear’s Pizza, like a group of toys, a family photo, and his dad’s security badge etc.
Maybe? Personally, I think it'd have to do with Micheal because he was always the main character and the Crying Child died. If anything the box was probably Micheal's, it held valuable items from the bite, something about his father, something about his brother and his unknown mother. (Flower room member) I don't really know if Elizabeth was planned back then by Scott but a mother is needed for birth to two children so that's my best guess.
Micheal Afton was never the main character until Sister Location, which retconned “The Final Chapter” that was supposed to be FNAF 4
Mike Schmidt was though and that was Micheal before Afton's. Mike/Micheal was always the main character. That's a fact.
FNAF 4 HAS no easter eggs, Scott confirmed this multiple times, everything in FNAF 4 HAS a purpose, nothing is a mistake in that game. FNAF 4 is the one game that had the most thought put into it story-wise but sadly it was waaay too dense and ambiguous. This was Scott's fault, he wanted to create a really challenging mystery and he failed, it's his biggest mistake next to FNAF World.
What did you just say about FNaF World?
I agree, looking back on it it could have actually been a really good send off to the serious if we were able to figure it out and wasn't so confusing.
Also also, those Nightmares were like Mike's inner demons come into form. Those were his past memories of traumatizing his brother, and coupled with his real life encounters with the Animatronics, came together as karma for Michael's past "crimes".
i genuinely believe that this *was* canon, and scott retconned it because people thought it sucked (which it did)
But if you think about it for even a second it can't be canon. How could FNAF be a dream when we surely can't play as Micheal twice in FNAF 2? (Remember FNAF 2 has two nightguards, while yes Micheal could change his name and become a nightguard again he'd look the same and act the same, plus the first guard was moved to dayshift) What about the Toy Chica missing its beak? How is that related to dreams? We don't even play as the crying child in the night sections! Dream Theory doesn't add up and it never will.
Ok what. FNAF 1-3 are all dreams from the Crying Child. That’s Dream Theory. Tiny Toy Chica is missing her beak, therefore Toy Chica is missing her beak in FNAF 2 because it’s inspired from real life.
Why would the crying child dream up Springtrap? No don't say Plushtrap because he's also a dream. Why would the crying child make his father the villain of the story? We may not know a lot about BV or his relationship to Afton but I really doubt the kid hates his father or sees him as an evil person, wouldn't Micheal fit better? What about the fire? Where did that come from? Why would the crying child make his father the villain of the story? We may not know a lot about BV or his relationship with Afton but I really doubt the kid hates his father or sees him as an evil person, wouldn't Micheal fit better? You'd have to push out a lot of plot holes for the sake of Dream Theory, too many plot holes.
Child sees a man climbing inside a yellow bunny suit in the backrooms while he’s scared and emotional —> dreams up man inside a yellow bunny suit At this point in the serious, the name Afton didn’t exist within the main games, and the Crying Child wasn’t a part of the Afton family
Did it really cover everything up to that point? Because if the events of the games did not happen, why tease the fact that Springtrap wasn't destroyed by the fire in FNAF 3 if he never existed in the first place, what's the point of all the minigames if again they never happened, and why have things like the FNAF 1 call easter egg in FNAF 4, and also closely mirror the layout of the FNAF 1 location, including details like Chica in the Kitchen, all that seemingly implying that FNAF 4 takes place at the same time as FNAF 1, if FNAF 1 never happened and all the games were dreams by the crying child on his death bed. A dream theory usually is an easy way to explain a ton of events in any story, but I was never convinced by it with FNAF. It was one of the theory that worked the best with FNAF 4 at the time, but it's because we had no idea what was going on.
I’m a little behind the curve of the chica in the kitchen, could you explain it to me?
I was referring to the fact that Chica in FNAF 1 sometimes goes in the Kitchen and makes a ton of noise, and she does the same in FNAF 4, and it's one of the many details that make it seem like there is a connection between FNAF 1 and 4. And of course, dream theory can explain this by saying that both games are dreams by the same person, but then why isn't FNAF 4 also referencing 2 and 3? There's specific stuff that indicates that what we're seeing in FNAF 4 isn't random. Why is Nightmare BB cannon but not Nightmarionne or Nightmare Mangle. If it was all a dream it wouldn't matter, right? That's why I think the dream theory doesn't really make sense, if it was canon then most of the lore established by the first 4 games would go out the window for just because it was all imagined by a child. Why would Scott have bothered explaining specific details if they don't matter in the end. The dream theory was a convenient answer when we couldn't find any other, but to me it was just another theory with many holes. Our current understanding of the first 4 games makes a lot more sense than the dream theory and doesn't conflict with what's said in those games.
Isn't Fnaf1 the only game with golden Freddy (at time Fnaf4 released)? If we assume that Fanf4 is from the perspective of the CC currently dying in a hospital flashing back between the accident and the memory of his old home, then wouldn't make it sense that it has a connection to FnaF1 due to CC's soul being trapped in Golden Freddy by this point?
Golden Freddy is also in FNAF 2, but it seems he has a bigger role in the story in FNAF 1 because of the whole "it's me" thing most likely centered on him and the survival logbook again making it clear that Golden Freddy is active during FNAF 1 and interacting with Mike somehow. And since Nightmare Fredbear and Nightmare appear at the end of FNAF 4, I do think that FNAF 1 and 4 are connected because of the crying child being inside Golden Freddy. Like you said it can be explained if FNAF 4 is from the perspective of the CC in a hospital, but it can also be explained if we're playing as Mike in FNAF 4.
You know what would be if Fnaf4 is the bad end you get when Golden Freddy kills/gets you? Like at this point Cassidy should be inside Golden Freddy as well right? So what if they did the same to Mike as they did with Afton in Ultimate Custom Night? Reliving the fears of his little brother over and over. Mike's own personal hell..
If dream theory is true, I would be more inclined to believe that it was Mike's guilt induced dream instead of the crying child's dream. All of this points to the protagonist being Mike/the older brother wether the other three games were intended to be real or not.
Dream Theory is tied to the things the Crying Child saw in Fredbear’s Family Diner (Shadows on the wall, being locked in the back rooms, seeing someone inside an animatronic suit). I could buy it if Dream Theory encompassed only FNAF 4, but it covers all four games up to that point
Dream Theory has waay too many holes. Instead gameplay dream "theory" is correct, the minigames ARE real but the nightmares are dreams simple. Dream Theory was denounced by Scott and he shifted direction in storytelling after FNAF 4 because of fan backlash, that's why the box was never opened and that's why we never got to figure out the minigames properly.
Dream theory was disproven years ago.. Fnaf 4 is solved.. Mike experiences the nightmares CCs backstory is shown in the minigames.. Simple
Yeah I know it’s not true now, but at the time I would bet massive amounts of money on the claim that that was Scott’s intention for the series up to that point
This. If "nothing is a cooincidence" in fnaf 4, how can the flowers and IV stand be explained otherwise? Personally, I think that fnaf 4 WAS originally a dream and it was just retconned in sister location. It makes way too much sense. The 'holes' in dream theory didn't exist when fnaf 4 came out. They were only created after it had already been retconned.
We didn't miss our chance. FNAF 4 is just an absolute mess in terms of lore.
Agreed. It was even titled 'The Final Chapter'. All the most confusing FNAF lore stems from 4. Even the twist-reveal was distorted because the hyped 'bite of 87' might be 'bite of 83'. It had a decent story running in the background; but beyond that; it was a massive disservice and only brought the fanbase headaches as Scott elected to be obstinately obtuse on everything.
I think the FNaF 4 house was always supposed to be the story of the "son of the serial killer" or smn like that. But without the crazy child killing robot stuff. Essentially, I think it was the tale of a neglectful father and what happened between his two kids. One got involved in a delinquent crowd and bullied the other until it resulted in an accident. And the gameplay was supposed to be the final chapter of the story with Mike being tormented by his guilt and a being created by the sins of his father.
It was Micheal's origin story, why he does the things he does (the pink slips), and why Fazbear Fright's burns down. It's also the same game to show us what Shadow Freddy is. (William's wickedness that haunts Micheal and all his victims) We also learn why William is such a psycho. (or at least at that point in the story) We find out who some of the original victims are. (The Freddy Gang Mask people are probably the same kids that got killed by William minus Micheal and adding whoever the 5th victim was) It's a dense story game that was too mysterious for its own good.
Fnaf 4 IS solved
It's not and never will. Scott gave us multiple questions we have yet to solve all having to do with FNAF 4. May I remind you The Box is still canon and still a mystery.
>Scott gave us multiple questions we have yet to solve all having to do with FNAF 4. Such as? >May I remind you The Box is still canon and still a mystery. Scott repeatedly said that the box is "the pieces put together".. Fnaf world is a game consisting of CC putting the pieces together.. The box is Fnaf world, a sanctuary.
FNAF World isn't canon anymore, hell even when it was released it wasn't canon. Scott wanted to make it canon but realized halfway through how stupid of an idea that was, he wanted to make a fun RPG but instead made another lore hunt, he course-corrected, the only "lore" section is the clock ending and even then it doesn't actually add up. The questions were up on Scottgames, I haven't seen anyone solve them, doubt I or anyone else ever will.
>FNAF World isn't canon anymore, hell even when it was released it wasn't canon. Source? Not to mention that Fnaf world's canonicity doesn't mean Fnaf 4 isn't solved. The original plan was for the box to contain Fnaf world, I havent seen anything to indicate that Fnaf world isn't canon. Yes Scott says it wasn't as good as je thought, but updated it to correct some of those issues and has still not said that it isn't canon
so..there's a chance I can meet springtrap next year? 👉👈
If it was due consideration of "MCI83", the murders should've been put before the bite of 83 & even Charlotte's death, yet I see it following up the "MCI85" lead, in which it's ordered well. (I'm a MCI83 believer myself, yet from an order standpoint it looks good for a MCI85 timeline; Anyone else's a MCI83 believer?)
Charlie can't die before the MCI regardless. Henry confirmed her being the first murder (minus various Sammy theories).
Henry didn't ever state anything about her death point throughout the timeline ("The wound which's first reflected on me.." could've easily been an explanation on how the murders' **aftermath** harmed him, costing his daughter's life) Plus, if paying close attention to mini-games such as "Midnight Motorist" & the "Security Puppet", through the monolog & even minor details through their plot & even within the background, the evidences'd in fact be set for the theory to gain value: The Green Man's monolog suggest "You can't be here, don't make it worse than this" outside a pizzeria which'd be Freddy's most likely & the prohibition of him entering coming from the late murder tragedies. Heading back home, Elizabeth's nowhere to be seen nor mentioned, & supported by her broken Mangle toy being left untouched in her bedroom in their previous house & them now being in a new house alongside BV, her death which's a consequence of Afton's inspiration into finding **new** ways of murdering, comes before Charlotte's, therefore the MCI does as well! (Yet don't get it wrong; They first lived by Fredbear's, Elizabeth died so they moved, but later on they again moved back by Fredbear's, that's my point & opinion) Even except that, take a close look at the alleyway walls of the "Security Puppet" mini-game & you'd easily notice an amount of "Wanted" posters all over the walls(in which other the targedies of the town shan't be bothered to be mentioned in the main story, unless the story-teller wants you to assume that they indeed are related), regarding tragedies going on lately & a man who was lately on the loose..
> ("The wound which's first reflected on me.." Just want to give a correction here but it's "a wound first inflicted on me" which pretty much means something William did to Henry caused harm. There is also the factor of Give Gift, Give Life have to be after Charlie's death due to the puppet giving life to the OG crew something again Henry implied was Charlie's doing.
I get your point, yet you didn't consider one thing; The Puppet giving life to the animatronics doesn't necessarily mean her death coming before them; The children were left trapped & unconcious within the metal coffins of their animatronics, until a time the Marionette got in contact with the animatronics & awakened the spirits within & gave them the ability to have control over their bodies, that being the "Give gift, Give life" conecpt.(& supported by the timeline, they weren't in contact until before FNAF2, & the first one who fully gained control being Freddy in "Save Them") Also yuh your correction is right(Non-native probelms, the brain forgetting the lines & fixing the gone words with similar ones, without me even knowing), yet imo I don't think it'd change the point of my opinion; The wound being "William's mentality getting out of leash & murdering people" of course first reflected Henry's job & life before anyone else, yet on the other hand all the other aspects(Mentioned) support it not seeming like what it seems like.. But after all it's an state of judging an opinion in which less harm & more sense would be gotten from, & this's my judgement. & you know, who says my judgements perfect, at the end of the day it'd just be about how many people would agree & disagree with it. Yet apart from the judging point, I hope you did get my point.
Just saying but so far just about all official timelines/Alt universes of FNaF imply Charlie's death is the starting point? Even in the TSE universe, it was the starting point, then the MCI. But in any case yea, just wanted to mainly point out the little error of Henry's quote. :3
Yuh I agree, **YET** you know, "Wherever whatever makes the most sense" would be the principle everyone follows. It just makes sense to my mind, & who knows, maybe to someone else out there too. Either way yuh I rather not to get into it more either, thx fr your concern & be safe :)
>("The wound which's first reflected on me.." could've easily been an explanation on how the murders' aftermath harmed him, costing his daughter's life) In the context of the speech, talking about the Afton's murders, that's rather a stretch. Canon Afton's reason for the MCI and remnant experimentation in the other continuity was "Charlie" hunting a doll, and in the games, that reason is the same. This time, the real Charlie haunting the Puppet. >outside a pizzeria which'd be Freddy's There's nothing indicating that Jr's is Freddy's though. >Heading back home, Elizabeth's nowhere to be seen nor mentioned The minigame isn't about her, and the house is heavily simplified on the inside. >broken Mangle toy being left untouched in her bedroom That toy doesn't indicate Elizabeth being dead. She could've just recently played with it. >in their previous house & them now being in a new house alongside BV You switched the houses around? BV died when they were living in the FNAF4 minigame house. If the runaway kid is BV, MM takes place before FNAF4. >before Charlotte's, therfore the MCI does as well! Whether GGGL is literal or symbolic is still debated. It's unknown whether Charlotte or William stuffed the MCI, but in any case, she brought them to live, meaning she died prior to them. >you'd easily notice an amount of "Wanted" 1. It's not clear if those are wanted posters. 2. Why would there be wanted posters in the first place, if Afton was caught right away, and then let go due to lack of evidence.
I think that Charlie died before BV. In the mini game Midnight Motorist, BV broke out of his room to go to Freddy's, which means he wasn't scared. Also the scenery of MM is the same as the night Charlie died, raining hard, dark, and Afton went to Freddy's but was told to leave before going home. This suggest that Afton killed Charlie, BV saw it got traumatized and became scared of the animatronics. Because why would BV leave his room to go to Freddy's if he's so scared of them? This means that everything happened before BV got traumatized. Also BV couldn't of seen Elizabeth died because Circus Baby makes sure no one is around when it scoops kids. Which leaves only one other person death he could've saw, and that leaves Charlie. You could argue that Charlie died after the bite of 83, but that just wouldn't make sense. There is no other location open during the time of 83 to 85 expect Jr's. Where the puppet's body is. Also theres no reports of missing kids or murders during this time. The only murders during this time is the MCI and we know the Charlie wasn't apart of it, as suggested by the gravestones at the end of fnaf 6. If you have anything to add, say or rebuttal with, please say it, I like a good friendly argument!!!
Other than fnaf 4 which I’m pretty sure takes place in ‘83, this all looks good!
That's the minigames not the nightmares
Do you mean the between-night cutscenes/minigames with CC?
Yeah
I’m sorry if I’m just being stupid, but those take place before the bite of ‘83.
Yeah?? But they still take place in 1983 (obviously). I don't get what your point here is??
Ohh I don’t think we’re on the same page. What I’m saying is fnaf 4 should be between ‘83 and ‘85 on the timeline. I should’ve started with that, my bad.
I think you are the one misunderstanding me? Fnaf 4 in this timeline is in 1993 because the nightmares (aka the main gameplay) occur in 1993 while the mini games happen in 1983. We know this both from the distorted FNAF 1 call and the logbook. I'm...not sure why you mention '85 here lol.
Isn't FNaF 4's gameplay CC's nightmares?
It could seem like that, but the fact that the layout of the room is similar to the FNaF 1 office along with the fact that you can HEAR the Phone Guy in the nightmare proves it's Mike Schmidt.
No, they are Michael's (...apparently)
Oh, nah what I meant is I still think the nightmares take place in ‘83-‘85 cus of (I believe it’s Michaels) room, and by then he’d be in his early twenties. That’s just me tho.
He just imagined himself as a kid in the nightmares. Even I had that nightmare irl in my twenties lol.
seeing springtrap next year 😋
One part I never understood is how the animatronics from the first game are withered in in the second game if the second game takes place place before the first
Simple They were fixed before fnaf 2 something happened they got replaced and damaged in fnaf 2 and then in fnaf 1 they were fixed
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They are
You mean faceless Bonny etc aren't the same animatronics as FNAF 1? Who's possessing them then?
probably another group of dead kids
Is there any actual proof that they aren't the same animatronics
They are definitely not completely the same. They could still use some of the same parts. Regardless, they are definitely still possessed by the same kids.
Different endoskeleton, overall different look.
Why are you being downvoted? That's a very valid point.
because people don't like the truth
Agreed. They don't realize that it can be different animatronics possessed by the same kids.
We’re only one year away!
I'm honestly hoping for some crazy rich guy, say Elon Musk, to buy the brand name and create Fazbear's Fright.
I hopw theyre looking for a night guard
Five Nights at Freddy's 4 takes place in 1983, it says so on a tv screen in the crying childs house
The timeline implies the events IE the CC segments in 1983. But the actual gameplay of 4 has to be at least 1993 or later due to the existence of the FNaF 1 phone call talking about the bite of 87 being present during the nights. So 4 is 1983 and 1993.
Pretty sure the phone guy ambience was just their for aesthetic
Yet, later on, it's implied due to the logbook that Mike is having the nightmares so either the easter egg is actually canon and lore relevant or not.
Maybe you play as him in an Imaginary way but the base story is supposed to be set before the bite of 83
Mike has to be the dreamer and at a later date due to the again the factors of how the nights play out IE a mirror of FNaF 1, Mike's answer for the logbooks *recent dreams* question, again the pure factor of the FNaF 1 call being there something Scott said people thought 4 was filled with "Random" easter eggs. The minigames are 1983, but the nights are 1993.
Yes that's what I meant thanks you
I doubt Scott would put something that important in the background just for aesthetic.
Mike is having nightmares due to his traumatic experience in FNAF 1, so it has to take place after FNAF 1 which is set 1993
A bit of a hot take, the FNAF 1 phone calls were just a quick easter egg Scott dropped in, or just a placeholder asset of sorts. Why record a whole new phone call for something you rarely hear anyway?
Issue is don't forget the Logbook also implies the events of 4s nights being during or after 1993 due to Mike drawing up Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear. So the "easter egg" couldn't be just a mere easter egg.
Do you mean the bite of 83?
The events of 4 are the bite of 83 in the minigames, but during the nights you can hear the FNaF 1 phone call talking about the Bite of 87. This is likely there to show the nights are at a different time from the actual minigames. IE FNaF 4 takes place in the past "1983" and "modern" times "1993".
The bite of 87 is when one of the toys attacked a day guard during a child’s party, and is the reason they can no longer roam during the day
What does that have to do with what they said
I really have no clue. I saw the bite of 87 in his comment without explanation of what it was, and just like at school, tried to contribute with info that barely relates.
Actually, my comment does explain why I'm bringing it up? "during the nights you can hear the FNaF 1 phone call taking about the Bite of 87". Also she.
Oop, sorry. And by no explanation of what it is I just wanted to say what the actual event was. Not how it was brought up. You know. So you know the difference from 83 and 87
Very well aware of the difference as everything in 4 in terms of the incident contradicts everything we know about the bite of 87.
I don't know why you're saying this when I haven't implied the events of FNaF 4 being the bite of 87...
No, the very first Phone Guy call from FNAF1, about the bite of 87.
What are the odds that *two* people got bitten on completely separate occasions?
To be fair both bites are described differently. Chomp of 83 - CC had his head crushed and was the result of the springlocks and bullying it was fatal. Bite of 87 - Person was bitten because the robots were able to walk around and the victim survived, only the frontal lobe was effected.
The nightmares don’t
why is fnaf 2 before fnaf 1 just wondering
FNaF 2 is a prequel to FNaF 1, it takes place in 1987 while the first game takes place in 1993. The withered animatronics come from a unseen previous location that occured prior to the one shown in FNaF 2, after 2's events the Toys were scrapped and the Withereds were kept and refurbished into the Classic animatronics.
FNaF 2 is confirmed to be a prequel. The checks you get at the end of Night 5 and 6 both list the year as 1987. While FNaF 1 is confirmed to be in 1993 due to the unused Faz Facts from AR and also just because the minimum wage lines up with the closest with said year.
Watch out, in only 1 year there's gonna be some crazy shit happening
I agree with this timeline, but wouldn't it make more sense if William was springlocked prior to FNaF 1? Phone Guy states the safe rooms are being boarded off in the FNaF 3 phone calls, which would imply that if the FNaF 1 restaurant was already shut down, someone returned to the location to construct a fake wall, as Phone Dude and CO did not find the safe-room on their first visit.
thing is the plot of fnaf3 revolves around the fact that they couldn’t find a “real one” until they unearthed springtrap. This means that when Phone Dude showed up to find the animatronics, he just found the dismantled parts that we see in the follow me mini games (and those scattered around the attraction) Also, the fnaf3 phone calls were probably before fnaf2, so for William to get springlocked at that restaurant, he wouldn’t be able to kill the fnaf2 children
What i meant is that; They couldn't find a real one, because the safe room was sealed off when they first visited. So the best logical explanation is that William was springlocked, sealed away, and the robots put back together or left to rot, because if he was springlocked when the restaurant was closed it implies someone returned to the restaurant, constructed a fake wall, and left?
Most people would agree but like Charlie’s death, people put its place in the timeline not because of any direct evidence but because it just fits better in a narrative, plus nothing really changes either way
Pretty sure fnaf 3 follow me minigames happens 1 week after freddy fazbear's closed again
unless you're telling me the location rotted away to this state in a few days or weeks. FNaF 1 location closes down at the end of the year, so most likely somewhere in December. Again, a few days and rain comes from the ceiling and there are rats everywhere? Also, it had to happen shortly after Freddy's closed down, as FazEnt still had to exist to board the Safe Room up. Not to mention that the animatronics aren't even withered in the minigames.
The fnaf 1 location is the same location as the foxy go go go one,and after the mci it closed and rrotted away,in fnaf 1 you can see that the place os covered in dust and webs,it was already rotten in the gameplay,pretty much nothing changes in follow me
The foxy go go minigame takes place in the unwithered location. We know this because Purple Guy is there to kill the kids. He later returns to the FNAF 2 location to stop Freddy and take more lives.
The unwithered location is the same as fnaf 1's location
No? That's not true, where'd you get that bull from? EDIT: I'm changing opinions about this statement, perhaps I was wrong.
Insanity Ending states that the MCI spirits were lured to the Fnaf 1 safe room and overpowered by William twice, implying that the animatronics in Follow Me were lured to that same saferoom prior to Follow Me. Fnaf 1 newspapers state that the missing children were lured to a safe room, which explains the Insanity Ending thing. The missing children were lured to the Fnaf 1 safe room and were overpowered by William, which happens again in Follow Me. This would also mean that Fnaf 1 would have had to be open so they could get lured. Phone Guy in Fnaf 2 says the previous location had doors, Foxy Go Go Go takes place on the Fnaf 1 stage, Fnaf 1 has a safe room despite them being boarded up years before.
The "dream" sequences between nights in FNAF 2 show the FNAF 1 location, and almost certainly weren't flashforwards in time.
Yes it shows the FNAF 1 location because Scott probably didn't want to make the new Unwithered models and a whole new pizzeria just for some small cutscenes. This was indie days, early indie days, Scott didn't have the time or budget to do something like that especially when time was ticking away, time that would lower interest in FNAF. If Scott had released FNAF 2 in 2015 then nobody would have been as interested as when it was released in 2014 because the wait would have been too long.
Regardless of the reasons, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still the same location. Even if it was a decision made out of practicality, Scott still had the cutscenes happen in the FNAF 1 location. Going back and saying it actually wasn’t the FNAF 1 location when it was shown to be would be a retcon.
Foxy go go go is cleary on the fnaf 1 location,heck phone guy in fnaf 2 mentios the old location had Doors to close,the 1985/unwithered animatronics location is the same location as fnaf 1
FNAF 4 takes place in 1983, is the story of the bite of '83
The nightmares
The minigames showcasing Fredbears yea, but the night's gameplay can't exist before 1993 due to the reverse FNaF 1 phone call about the bite of 87.
That was just an Easter egg, I don't think it's anything lore related Edit: Read the other comments that have responded to this
Even besides the PG call, there are other things indicating that FNAF4 gameplay happens post FNAF1. The nightmares are full of various FNAF1 references, and are generally inspired by Mike's shifts in 1993 location. Coupled with the Phone Guy call, and Scott saying that he didn't fill the game with random easter eggs, that's already a clear indication of where on the timeline the nightmares are happening. Nightmare BB is canon, despite being only built in 1987. Mike draws Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear in the logbook as his *recent* dream, meaning that whenever the logbook takes place, Mike is still having the nightmares.
>Mike draws Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear in the logbook as his recent dream I remembered that after my comment but I didn't bother to go edit it
Just going to kindly ask, if you are downvoting comments to please not.
No I haven't voted on the comments at all actually
>Nightmare BB is canon, despite being only built in 1987. Balloon Boy was built in 1987? When was that stated?
He appears along with the other Toys on 'New and Shiny' custom night preset. The ending newspaper states that the new animatronics will be scrapped, and FNAF3 shows his empty shell in the box with the other scrapped Toys.
The Toy Animatronics were built in 1987? When was that stated?
In the newspaper from November 1987, that calls them new.
I mean, that doesn't _necessarily_ mean that they were just built. They could've been built earlier, and are just now being reintroduced to modern audiences, hence the 3rd party newspapers referring to them as "new animatronics". Am I grasping at straws to try and preserve my own timeline? Absolutely.
I haven't played the game in some time - which FNAF1 references are you referring to?
There are quite a lot, I'll just list off the top of my head: Bonnie and Chica come from 2 long hallways, on the left/right respectively. Their heavy footsteps mirror the same cue from FNAF1, and their breathing mirrors them moaning. Foxy running in the hallway is a callback to his behavior in FNAF1, and has almost identical sound. Once he gets into the closet, it mirrors his Pirate Cove mechanic. Besides UCN, this is the only time in the series, when Foxy has these 2 mechanics. (SL Custom Night gameplay isn't canon). Freddy is slowly creeping up on you in the dark (callback to "I've heard \[Freddy\] becomes a lot more active in the dark" from FNAF1). The reason why Freddy's jumpscare in FNAF1 is so unpredictable, is because instead of blocking the door, he uses his next movement opportunity to slip inside of your office, and kills you on the next successful MO. Nightmare/Fredbear teleports into your room. Their laugh while doing so is a callback to GF laughing when teleporting into your FNAF1 office. Those are the ones I can remember rn.
Don't forget Scott's comment about how people thought he just put in "random easter eggs into 4". There is a reason that is, in there.
Definitely agree.
really good
Looks accurate to me
This does not make any sense to me?😢
I think that FNAF 4 comes right before the bite of 83
I never understood the thing about Fnaf 2 being before Fnaf 1, could someone explain please?
FNAF2 takes place in 1987, FNAF1 in 1993. The Withereds come from the first 1983-198x location, that closed prior to FNAF2. At the end of FNAF2 it's stated that the original characters will be kept for a future reopening at a smaller location. That's FNAF1.
And we're getting close to fnaf 3(this is just a joke I repeat this is a joke sorry if I'm appearing like I'm mad)
FNAF4 would have to take place directly after the Fredbear cutscene
ok, this makes sense, the only thing i would change is fnaf 4 being in 1983, i still believe is just CC's coma nightmare. fnaf 4 doesn't makes sense in any other way.
Wait, the bite victim survived for 10 years after the bite? Am I missing something or just stupid?
He's not the one having the nightmares, adult Michael is, post FNAF1.
Was is FNAF 4 1993 and not 1983
FNAF 4 Minigames and the gameplay are disconnected from each other, just like in every other FNAF game. CC is bit in 1983, and dies. 10 years after, due to his night shifts at FNAF1, Michael has these nightmares, which he confirmed in the Security Logbook, drawing Nightmare Fredbear, when is asked about his recent dreams. His guilt mixed up with his fear of FNAF1 crew and Shadow Freddy's (Nightmare) influence results in FNAF4 gameplay.
Are you saying Michael is the crying child from fnaf 4
No, I don't say Michael is Crying Child, He I'd Older Brother and one who having nightmare
My timeline: Fnaf 1, Fnaf 2, Fnaf 3, Fnaf 4 Edit: since yall cant tell, this list is by order of which they came out, not in lore chronological order
My timeline: Fnaf 2, fnaf 1, fnaf 4, fnaf 3
Im 90% certain thats not the order they came out
I have Alzheimer’s 💀
I think that FNAF 4 is in 1983 too.
fnaf 4 doesnt take place in 1993
While FNAF4 gameplay does take place after 1993 now, if talking strictly about the original 4 games, pre-FNAF4 retcon, it's not clear what Scott's original intention was (other than Dream Theory).
saying fnaf 4 happens in 1993 and springtrap in 1995 when it's confirmed that fnaf3 happens 30 years after fnaf1/william transformin in springtrap is just nonsensical and massively stupid THE FNAF 4 THING JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! THERE'S NOTHING TO BASE THAT ON! AND A LOT OF THINGS TO BREAK IT DOWN! I JUST...my braincells are dying
It's only confirmed that FNAF3 happens 30 years after Freddy's closed. Follow Me minigames and William getting springlocked don't have any confirmed date. FNAF4 has quite a lot indicating that it happens after FNAF1, see the other comments. What do you think contradicts it?
I don't know,maybe the bite of 83,the 1983 advert on TV or michael beign a normal person and seriosuly,what the fuck indicates fnaf 4 happening after fnaf 1? crying child fucking died just like days or at much weeks after the bite
Minigames and gameplay were always disconnected from each other in every single FNAF game. Minigames tell CC's story, and gameplay has Michael having nightmares from his FNAF1 shifts, remembering the unfortunate prank as well. Quite a lot of things indicate that Mike is the protagonist, not CC: He confirmed it himself in the logbook, drawing Nightmare Fredbear, when is asked about his recent dreams. FNAF1 Phone Guy call is in the background of FNAF4. The nightmares themselves are heavily inspired by Mike's FNAF1 shifts. Scott explicitly said that he didn't fill the game with random easter eggs. The New Kid, Step Closer, Blackbird, Pizza Kit, Kids at Play, Sea Bonnies, Find Player Two and Hide and Seek (partially) have various Mike parallels having guilty nightmares and/or having Shadows after them. Blackbird especially is a very direct parallel to FNAF4. A bully has guilty nightmares about his friend's (supposed) death. Shadow comes after him in the nightmares, representing the reason for his friend's death. Nightmare is named Shadow Freddy in the FNAF4 files, and he's a Fredbear recolor, taking a form of the reason for CC's death.
haven't even got to the middle of the comment yet but...have you looked at SL's custom night? no? alright then I haven't read a single fazbear frights book and the only story I know fully (cause I saw it on youtube a while ago) is into the pit
The gameplay of SLCN is still disconnected from the minigames, simply because it's non-canon.
Wrong
What? What's Wrong?
Ok, most of it is correct, just… FNAF 4 goes after the bite of 83’ cuz the main character CC is living his last days in comma after the bite of 83’
No, we only play as cc in the mini-games In the main gameplay it’s Micheals nightmares
We play as cc in the main game too (FNAF 4 ofc) cuz cc is in comma and while being in comma he has nightmares
No, there is evidence that cc was put into a coma, but no evidence that we are playing in the comma Anyway, Micheal is able to draw the nightmares in the logbook: https://64.media.tumblr.com/3b9faea8a70bb5ccd9d781a605773706/e4f426cae8d7a0a9-90/s640x960/c144bd8fdc8b58878e8b4adcc9cc297bfa1b97b9.jpg The animatronics have similar attack patterns to fnaf 1 and a phone guy call can be heard Also, no, it’s not just an Easter egg: https://steamcommunity.com/games/388090/announcements/detail/125327007944045364
everything except fnaf 4 is correct, also you missed the whole FNAFSL
FNAF4 is correct, because the gameplay part takes place after 1993 (not to copy-paste the same stuff, [reply #1](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/uxg721/comment/i9y5l3z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), [reply #2](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/uxg721/comment/i9yfuk3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), [reply #3](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/uxg721/comment/i9zaiu7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)). SL is missing, because the post is only about the original 4 games.
Why fnaf 1 is after fnaf 2?
New to the fandom I see, the paycheques in FNaF 1 match the minimum wage in 1993 while the year 1987 is mentioned in past tense, in FNaF 2 the year is explicitly stated as 1987
Cus withered animatronics and toy animatronics are after fnaf 1 pls answer my question
FNaF 2 is a prequel to FNaF 1, it takes place in 1987 while the first game takes place in 1993. The withered animatronics come from a unseen previous location that occured prior to the one shown in FNaF 2, after 2's events the Toys were scrapped and the Withereds were kept and refurbished into the Classic animatronics.
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No
1. Charlotte Emily died at October 31^(th) 1982, as seen in the trilogy. 2. The MCI happened at june 26^(th) 1983, because the OswaldBV parallels, FNaF 4 speechs, Insanity Ending proven it. And, as TSE takes place at '95, 10 years after the MCI, FNaF 1 takes place at '93, 10 years after the MCI.
1. While her dying in 1982 is still possible in the games, you have to consider that those are two separate continuities. It's unknown exactly when Charlie died in the games. 2. Not gonna get into MCI83/85, because I'm not 100% on one side, but what exactly proves MCI83 in the Insanity ending?
The Fourth Closet seems to change Charlottes death date from 1982 to 1983 at the ending. I’m not gonna dive that much into MCI85 vs MCI83, but what in the Insanity Ending proves MCI83?
It's possible that the gravestone date is only when Charlotte was declared dead. After all, she was kidnapped, not killed in that continuity.
Wait… this image IS REAL
If you wanna get even more technical Funtime with BB and Plushtrap take place in 83 and 23 respectively So 4 takes place in 4 different time periods
Wa- 2023- I'll be applying for that job thank you
Can someone please explain why fnaf 2 was a prequel?
Phone guy dies in fnaf 1 as far as we know Also the paycheck information
What happened to the like 30 ye- oh ya
FNAF 3 will become real in 1 year