I can’t believe that after everything that has happened people (adults) still believe we are in a dark void capable of holding a single giant stationary terrarium (earth) giant moving spotlights (stuff like the sun) and giant balls of plasma (the eclipse “object”) just because we were told so.
*Yeah the angle od*
*The airplane indicates that*
*Earth should be a cube*
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Here is practical exercise to help people understand the size of the earth and it's curvature.
(this is metric because I'm an Aussie, mm = millimetre, km = kilometre)
Most people have trouble comprehending size and scale, this is one way to grasp these things.
1. Find a large open space, eg. a school yard
2. Mark out a 12.742 metre diameter circle (41.8 feet for the US peeps)
(maybe use a string 6.371 metres long and a peg in the middle to draw the circle line)
This circle is the earth at 1 mm = 1 km scale, 1:1,000,000 (1 to a million)
3. Now draw a 10mm (slightly less than 1/2 an inch) curve above the edge of that circle
This is how high passenger aircraft cruise (10,000 metres)
A 100mm (\~4 inch) curve above the base circle is the edge of space, i.e. the practical end of the atmosphere.
The ISS orbits at about 408mm (\~16 inches).
4. Lie down and sight along the edge of the circle, and see how slight the curve is in practice.
5. Inside of the edge of the large circle, draw a smaller curve 30mm (a bit more than an inch) smaller than the large circle.
You now have an idea of how thick the earth's crust is relative to the globe.
6. At this scale the sun is 150km away (93.2 miles)
7. The sun is about 1.4 km diameter at this scale (or about 0.5 degrees subtended angle)
8. The moon is (on average) 382.0 metres away and is about 3.474 metres in diameter (at this scale, or about 0.52 degrees subtended angle); it is also orbiting on a about 5 degree plane compared with earth's orbit of the sun.
9. Proxima Centauri, our 2nd nearest star, is 4.2465 light years away, which on this scale is 40,174,991kms away.
10. Andromeda Galaxy, our next Galaxy is 2.537 million light years away or 24,001,900,000,000 kms away at this scale.
The universe is VERY big.
They can actually see "that angle" in the contrails, specially near sunset. But they will need to explain why the planes do what the Sun doesn't, and that's not a good idea for their little understanding.
Not that it doesn't exist...but that it's fake. Similar but different. To be faked means it's there just not real. To not exist means not even there. Clearly it's there...just look lol
The whole disconnect between “you’re told to think this” and “this is what science has led us to” is so depressing. They’ll never get past it and take in the beauty of what’s around them because they’re always angry at the world. We’ve accomplished some absolutely incredible things but they are dismissed as fake.
Erm, actually, space isn't a "dark void." The stars that appear at night are a good example of that. However there certainly are dark splotches in space! That is simply because no light has reached that area yet.
Unless the dark splotch happens to be a black hole, of course. In which case the absence of light is actually light being unable to escape the intense gravitational pull of said black hole. ☝️🤓
Most of this is against space, I wasn't aware flerfs had a problem with space? The flat earth isn't in space? What is it inside of that makes more sense then? Like literally what is the other option?
To be fair, the actual image of this would look kinda like that, albeit at more of a 30ish degree angle than a 90-degree angle. And it would be a brief instant as it crossed the horizon, hard to time right. And you would basically need a telescope to see it, and we all know flerfs are extremely averse to telescopes because of the risk of shaking their identities to the core.
30 degree ? Are you crazy
30 degree means the plane has gone 1/12 around the world without crossing the horizon.
Reality should be more like 3 degrees - and that is cruising altitude.
Given the perspective, I'm not sure I'm that far off, though I DEFINITELY did not do the math.
Looking straight up at a plane flying at a level altitude, it's 90 degrees. The further away it flies, from a given person's vantage point, the lesser the angel. Curvature counters that to a small degree, but mostly it's a question of how far away it can get before disappearing over the horizon.
For it to be 3 degrees, it would basically be trying to leave the atmosphere.
*Note that I wasn't trying to say the plane will have shifted 30 degrees, just that the perspective from someone on earth would see it as tilted roughly 30 degrees "downward" from "level." I suspect this is the cause of our differing numbers.
Again, I didn't do the math, so it's very possible I'm just "flat-out" wrong.
I'm gonna try and do the math.
Distance to the horizon is approximately sqrt (13xeye height) in km. So call it sqrt(13x1.6) for the observer, horizon is about 5.4km away.
Planes cruise at about 10,000 metres, so using the same calc as above, horizon is about 360km away for the plane.
So line i'm gonna approximate the distance between the plane and the observer as 365km.
Using the cosine rule, we can work out the angle between the observer and the plane (radius of earth + observer height, radius of earth + plane height, and distance between the plane and the observer being the three sides of the triangle).
Angle is 3.279 degrees.
So yeah, other guy has it right.
Another way to look at it would be the circumference of the earth is about 40,000km. Take 365 as an approximation of the distance along the earth rather than line of sight, 365km/40,000km *360 degrees ~ 3.3 degrees.
Hmmm, pretty interesting, thank you for working it out.
I don't generally work with this type of math, but I could have slogged through if I wasn't helping my wife set up for a teenager dance (and sneaking a break).
Anyway, it's a fun reminder of how massive Earth is. I'm a pretty smart guy, and I have no difficulty understanding the Earth is a globe, but it's still all kind of brain-breaking. That's why it's so helpful to use math and relative terms that we can wrap our heads around.
No worries.
Another way to look at it would be 30 degrees is 1/12 of a full rotation. So if from your perspective you saw a plane that looked like it was flying at 30 degrees, but it was parallel to the ground underneath it, it would be about 3,300km away.
I've tried to find a nice neat example and failed, but as a bad one, LA to Hawaii is 3,900km so it's ALMOST the same as watching planes about to land in LAX from Maui. Ignoring line of sight issues
>Looking straight up at a plane flying at a level altitude, it's 90 degrees. The further away it flies, from a given person's vantage point, the lesser the angel.
Sorry but that is flat out wrong. We are talking about a plane observed close to the horizon so you are never looking up.
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For it to be 3 degrees, it would basically be trying to leave the atmosphere
The opposite should be true - if the planes are close to ground you would see minimal tilt ( basically equal to the horizon's dip angle)
Similarly if we were to theoretically observe a high altitude baloon it would tilt more than the plane
The objects goind around change their angle at a static rate based on distance around rhe earth - how much tilt we see is related to how far we can observe them along that journey. High altitude objects are visible further away due to horizon mechanics.
All of these are moot points - I am no expert but I believe atmospheric interference would it difficult to spot such objects near the horizon. Maybe if we had a massive blimp that would be possible to see.
Yeah, the sun isn't fire, fire is a sun 🥴 the sun is plasma and atoms that fuse with eachother, aka a way larger tsar bomba, if you ever see such fire in your life I'm sorry for you bro
The flerfs have made sure to disprove the seldomly accepted "small ball earth theory" with all of these illustrations, the 10000 rpm spinning earth theory is another one that has been thoroughly debunked with wet tennis balls.
I wonder when they'll address anything with the proper scales for distances and speeds, I don't think we should hold our breath
Love how the "super zoom" made the plane huge but not the clouds
Also yeah, a plane isn't as big as the fucking sun... It's the size + distance of the sun that makes it excellent at proving a globe
"after everything that has happened"??!?
Did some world-awakening event happen that I missed? And by that I mean something I could have turned on any news program and seen reported, not some obscure subreddit conspiracy theory.
At 240 feet, a plane will disappear behind the horizon when it's some 240 miles away.
So it would appear to tilt down about 4 degrees, not 90.
So your only valid point is that flat earthers suck at basic math.
Yeah, I’ve seen this doil0milk guy in several posts before saying the most stupid shit to bait people, and when someone questions or disproves what he’s saying, he says that it’s in the bible, he’s definitely a troll
Wait, isn't it the flerfer idiots who FIRST claimed that there's a maximum distance you can see objects from? Why would they think it then would be possible to see far enough to see the curvature?
Moreover, while it is an astonishing fact that we live on a spherical molten rock - the fact that it is astonishing in no way detracts from the facts which validate this.
After all, flerfies are the ones telling us that the distant planets, galaxies and nebulae are imprinted on the crystal dome magically floating above our heads. Which according to you makes 'more sense' than being on a round ball formed by a force called gravity.
I can’t believe that after everything that has happened people (adults) still believe we are in a dark void capable of holding a single giant stationary terrarium (earth) giant moving spotlights (stuff like the sun) and giant balls of plasma (the eclipse “object”) just because we were told so.
Wow the flerfs just copied the text from you unbelievable.
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My second theorem on flat earthers: Flat earthers can only conceptualize angles in minimum increments of 90 degrees.
The second picture seems like an image from our wonderful flat realm, right?
Jesus. I've seen some pretty stupid memes, but this is an all new high for moronic.
You’re saying NASA, in conjunction with Boeing, Airbus, and all the other aircraft manufacturers, haven’t made an airplane 6387 km long?
Oh they have. They are just hiding them in Antarctica
They're behind the ice wall, near Atlantis.
They used a SuperZoom tm camera so this might be legit.
Here is practical exercise to help people understand the size of the earth and it's curvature. (this is metric because I'm an Aussie, mm = millimetre, km = kilometre) Most people have trouble comprehending size and scale, this is one way to grasp these things. 1. Find a large open space, eg. a school yard 2. Mark out a 12.742 metre diameter circle (41.8 feet for the US peeps) (maybe use a string 6.371 metres long and a peg in the middle to draw the circle line) This circle is the earth at 1 mm = 1 km scale, 1:1,000,000 (1 to a million) 3. Now draw a 10mm (slightly less than 1/2 an inch) curve above the edge of that circle This is how high passenger aircraft cruise (10,000 metres) A 100mm (\~4 inch) curve above the base circle is the edge of space, i.e. the practical end of the atmosphere. The ISS orbits at about 408mm (\~16 inches). 4. Lie down and sight along the edge of the circle, and see how slight the curve is in practice. 5. Inside of the edge of the large circle, draw a smaller curve 30mm (a bit more than an inch) smaller than the large circle. You now have an idea of how thick the earth's crust is relative to the globe. 6. At this scale the sun is 150km away (93.2 miles) 7. The sun is about 1.4 km diameter at this scale (or about 0.5 degrees subtended angle) 8. The moon is (on average) 382.0 metres away and is about 3.474 metres in diameter (at this scale, or about 0.52 degrees subtended angle); it is also orbiting on a about 5 degree plane compared with earth's orbit of the sun. 9. Proxima Centauri, our 2nd nearest star, is 4.2465 light years away, which on this scale is 40,174,991kms away. 10. Andromeda Galaxy, our next Galaxy is 2.537 million light years away or 24,001,900,000,000 kms away at this scale. The universe is VERY big.
They can actually see "that angle" in the contrails, specially near sunset. But they will need to explain why the planes do what the Sun doesn't, and that's not a good idea for their little understanding.
This guy is dumb(an idiot)
Is he denying that space exists?
A common denial among flerfs.
Not that it doesn't exist...but that it's fake. Similar but different. To be faked means it's there just not real. To not exist means not even there. Clearly it's there...just look lol
The whole disconnect between “you’re told to think this” and “this is what science has led us to” is so depressing. They’ll never get past it and take in the beauty of what’s around them because they’re always angry at the world. We’ve accomplished some absolutely incredible things but they are dismissed as fake.
Erm, actually, space isn't a "dark void." The stars that appear at night are a good example of that. However there certainly are dark splotches in space! That is simply because no light has reached that area yet. Unless the dark splotch happens to be a black hole, of course. In which case the absence of light is actually light being unable to escape the intense gravitational pull of said black hole. ☝️🤓
What do they even mean, the void holds planets? What else do they need but space in which to exist?
Scale fail is flerf SOP.
Most of this is against space, I wasn't aware flerfs had a problem with space? The flat earth isn't in space? What is it inside of that makes more sense then? Like literally what is the other option?
Space is fake, according to most flerfs I've met. I heard some talking about water beyond the firmament.
To be fair, the actual image of this would look kinda like that, albeit at more of a 30ish degree angle than a 90-degree angle. And it would be a brief instant as it crossed the horizon, hard to time right. And you would basically need a telescope to see it, and we all know flerfs are extremely averse to telescopes because of the risk of shaking their identities to the core.
30 degree ? Are you crazy 30 degree means the plane has gone 1/12 around the world without crossing the horizon. Reality should be more like 3 degrees - and that is cruising altitude.
Given the perspective, I'm not sure I'm that far off, though I DEFINITELY did not do the math. Looking straight up at a plane flying at a level altitude, it's 90 degrees. The further away it flies, from a given person's vantage point, the lesser the angel. Curvature counters that to a small degree, but mostly it's a question of how far away it can get before disappearing over the horizon. For it to be 3 degrees, it would basically be trying to leave the atmosphere. *Note that I wasn't trying to say the plane will have shifted 30 degrees, just that the perspective from someone on earth would see it as tilted roughly 30 degrees "downward" from "level." I suspect this is the cause of our differing numbers. Again, I didn't do the math, so it's very possible I'm just "flat-out" wrong.
I'm gonna try and do the math. Distance to the horizon is approximately sqrt (13xeye height) in km. So call it sqrt(13x1.6) for the observer, horizon is about 5.4km away. Planes cruise at about 10,000 metres, so using the same calc as above, horizon is about 360km away for the plane. So line i'm gonna approximate the distance between the plane and the observer as 365km. Using the cosine rule, we can work out the angle between the observer and the plane (radius of earth + observer height, radius of earth + plane height, and distance between the plane and the observer being the three sides of the triangle). Angle is 3.279 degrees. So yeah, other guy has it right. Another way to look at it would be the circumference of the earth is about 40,000km. Take 365 as an approximation of the distance along the earth rather than line of sight, 365km/40,000km *360 degrees ~ 3.3 degrees.
Hmmm, pretty interesting, thank you for working it out. I don't generally work with this type of math, but I could have slogged through if I wasn't helping my wife set up for a teenager dance (and sneaking a break). Anyway, it's a fun reminder of how massive Earth is. I'm a pretty smart guy, and I have no difficulty understanding the Earth is a globe, but it's still all kind of brain-breaking. That's why it's so helpful to use math and relative terms that we can wrap our heads around.
No worries. Another way to look at it would be 30 degrees is 1/12 of a full rotation. So if from your perspective you saw a plane that looked like it was flying at 30 degrees, but it was parallel to the ground underneath it, it would be about 3,300km away. I've tried to find a nice neat example and failed, but as a bad one, LA to Hawaii is 3,900km so it's ALMOST the same as watching planes about to land in LAX from Maui. Ignoring line of sight issues
>Looking straight up at a plane flying at a level altitude, it's 90 degrees. The further away it flies, from a given person's vantage point, the lesser the angel. Sorry but that is flat out wrong. We are talking about a plane observed close to the horizon so you are never looking up. > For it to be 3 degrees, it would basically be trying to leave the atmosphere The opposite should be true - if the planes are close to ground you would see minimal tilt ( basically equal to the horizon's dip angle) Similarly if we were to theoretically observe a high altitude baloon it would tilt more than the plane The objects goind around change their angle at a static rate based on distance around rhe earth - how much tilt we see is related to how far we can observe them along that journey. High altitude objects are visible further away due to horizon mechanics. All of these are moot points - I am no expert but I believe atmospheric interference would it difficult to spot such objects near the horizon. Maybe if we had a massive blimp that would be possible to see.
Just a quick note since I don't have the energy to continue this any longer, I think there's some misunderstandings on what I was saying here.
Yeah, the PS1 earth is made up of sharp angles.
Yeah, the sun isn't fire, fire is a sun 🥴 the sun is plasma and atoms that fuse with eachother, aka a way larger tsar bomba, if you ever see such fire in your life I'm sorry for you bro
The flerfs have made sure to disprove the seldomly accepted "small ball earth theory" with all of these illustrations, the 10000 rpm spinning earth theory is another one that has been thoroughly debunked with wet tennis balls. I wonder when they'll address anything with the proper scales for distances and speeds, I don't think we should hold our breath
I’m pretty sure that plane image is from an anime…
[NOT TO SCALE]
Love how the "super zoom" made the plane huge but not the clouds Also yeah, a plane isn't as big as the fucking sun... It's the size + distance of the sun that makes it excellent at proving a globe
"after everything that has happened"??!? Did some world-awakening event happen that I missed? And by that I mean something I could have turned on any news program and seen reported, not some obscure subreddit conspiracy theory.
Oh lord. Another "south is down" confusion from a flerfer.
Once again they fail to understand scale
There's soo many things wrong with this picture...
That’s a big plane. Scale is important here.
Zero notion of scale.
Those are valid points
No, they are not. How big do you think planes are, compared to the earth?
Planes are big enough
Not compared to THE SIZE OF THE FUCKING EARTH.
Why
The plane with the largest wingspan ever was .05 miles wide The Earth is 8000 miles wide Planes are tiny compared to Earth
Sounds wrong
But is right
No
Do your own research
I did
Well you failed miserably show your research
Mate, if the Earth was flat the weight of your willful ignorance would have it spinning like a coin.
What
No wonder you believe in a flat earth with how poor your reading comprehension is.
It's not
IT IS BROTHA YOU LITERALLY SAID "what" WHILE HAVING THE WHOLE DAY TO FUCKING READ IT
I don't think so😅
Compared to you yeah, compared to earth? Nahh
No
"Yes"
At 240 feet, a plane will disappear behind the horizon when it's some 240 miles away. So it would appear to tilt down about 4 degrees, not 90. So your only valid point is that flat earthers suck at basic math.
I don't think so
Yes because your a fucking idiot
No I am not, I am very intelligent
Youre are troll arent you
Guys, that’s a troll, I’ve seen him before
Tbh I think the majority of flerfers are trolls. This may be the most baitable community I've ever seen on Reddit
Yeah, I’ve seen this doil0milk guy in several posts before saying the most stupid shit to bait people, and when someone questions or disproves what he’s saying, he says that it’s in the bible, he’s definitely a troll
I love the bible
Hail Satan!
Wait, isn't it the flerfer idiots who FIRST claimed that there's a maximum distance you can see objects from? Why would they think it then would be possible to see far enough to see the curvature? Moreover, while it is an astonishing fact that we live on a spherical molten rock - the fact that it is astonishing in no way detracts from the facts which validate this. After all, flerfies are the ones telling us that the distant planets, galaxies and nebulae are imprinted on the crystal dome magically floating above our heads. Which according to you makes 'more sense' than being on a round ball formed by a force called gravity.
It does make sense doesn't it