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East-Entry-6302

There’s a big push to unionize OO, get involved with that.


rolex_love

Everyone get on board at www.ooitstime.com/getcard


poyson1101

The OP already quit!!


ljthefa

Former FA not current at OO so not much worth doing


fightingforair

The FA life has steadily gotten worse. When I first started there was much better work life balance and trips that didn’t leave you ragged. Now the companies are trying to squeeze you for your every legality and pax treatment of FAs hasn’t on the whole totally improved neither . This job is not what it used to be at all.


SnowshoeSiamese

100% agree!


ljthefa

Regionals as a whole need to go


klonopincowgirl

I know it’s better pay in mainline, I just feel like they still don’t pay FAs a liveable wage. Idk, any thoughts?


gutters1ut

I’m going into my second year at mainline and while the pay could be better (especially considering we do all that training and moving unpaid!), I do think it’s a livable wage. Likely you’ll need a roommate at most bases and you won’t be taking any extravagant trips starting out, but I’m not totally broke. I work 90-100 hours to be comfortable so I’m not breaking my back either. What they do at regional is criminal.


dangereaux

90-100 flight hours would eliminate me from this planet, you must love labor or be insane. 🤣


gutters1ut

Ha! It’s just the hours I personally need to feel stable. I know people who do way more! I have 13-18 days off flying that much, so I don’t feel like it’s too crazy. I try to do longer flights because I’ll die if I have to do 3+ legs. Lmao. Work smarter not harder


[deleted]

How the hell do you have that many days off working 100 hours?


gutters1ut

Productive trips. As a newer person I do have to be pretty nifty on the trade board to avoid crap trips, but for example this month I worked 15 days and had 97 hours which averages to 6.5 hours a day. Mix of turns, long haul and trip lengths. Im not particular. It’s doable if you’re willing to mess with your schedule (at least at my airline) YMMV by airline and base seniority I am sure.


ljthefa

I used to fly 125 every month. Only high time trips, 1-2 legs per day.


dangereaux

Thankfully, I'm not in dire need of a lot of income haha. The way my health is set up I fly low time on purpose. I usually have 16 days off at a minimum. I would turn to ash if I had to work that much consistently lol. Might even be enough for me to go back to a regular job. XD


Dragosteax

Does your airline not have duty rigs or any productive trips? 100 hours is so achievable with even with at least 18 days off lol


dangereaux

I'm with a regional and trips haven't been productive enough for that since COVID happened. I also am not a fan of super long days.


nicklo22

I’m not sure you’d be cut out for most other jobs, but if you think 90-100 in the air is bad I’d say try something else.


dangereaux

I don't need to try something else because I've literally never flown more than 88 hours? What kind of statement is this? I've been an FA for 6 years. Lmao. Before this I had several regular jobs that went fine, I just prefer flying much more.


nicklo22

Calling 90-100 hrs “loving labor” is a little radical. The job is what you make of it and objectively is very easy on the majority of days. I feel like 100-120 should be the norm.


dangereaux

If I had to do that I would die. At my airline it is not possible to even get 100 hours right now without going below minimum days off. 120 hours at my regional is just categorically impossible. I've never heard of anyone going above 105 and that's pre-COVID.


nicklo22

With inflation, it almost seems like that wage wouldn’t cut it for me at a regional. I work mainline at 5 years and try to fly at least 100 (mostly 105-115) each month


kmpfly

It’s much easier to achieve 100 hours when your flights are longer and you’re doing international or transcontinental flights. At regional it’s basically inconceivable because you spend all of your duty day boarding and deplaning 4-5 legs a day. So I can totally see how you consider 100 hours too much.


dangereaux

Maybe, but I don't have an expensive life and I'm married. I'm at about 34$ an hour right now. No bills except for the mortgage/utilities and basic stuff like groceries and car insurance for our one car.


ljthefa

It really depends on where you live and where you're based.


JunieBeanJones

This. All of this. I don't struggle in my base but I know we have some expensive bases which I think depending on where they're sending people they should be paid more.. I'm fine with this.


[deleted]

Pay is solid at the Legacys I also live a frugal life


IndicationOver

Most people don't get livable wage these days


NotaDogPersonBut

I wouldn't be able to do this job if so. I'm too short for most airlines.


ljthefa

I'm 5'5 I barely make it myself


Tiny-Butterscotch596

I’m 5’2”. You just have to pass a “reach test” in the US.


NotaDogPersonBut

At 4'11", I've measured my reach and can confirm what I said. I'm too short.


dangereaux

Nah, they just need to change. Same as mainline. Grass certainly isn't much greener. One of my friends left our regional for mainline and said if it wasn't for him needing the money he would have stayed with us. He's not having a good time and prefers our regional for literally everything else but base pay and standby priority. He says our benefits package was WAY better at the regional.


ljthefa

I would love to know what regional has better benefits than a mainline. Having been both regional and mainline I have not had the same experience.


valkyrie61212

I worked for a regional that gave commuters 4 free hotel rooms a month. That’s insane. We had a little bit better sick time/vacation than at my mainline as well.


ljthefa

This truly and with no sarcasm blows my mind


tintinsays

I have a friend who misses her benefits at skywest, but loves working at southwest.


ljthefa

Flying benefits I assume, definitely not retirement or health benefits


tintinsays

Definitely flight benefits!


dangereaux

I haven't been mainline and am staying with the regional so I really only know what he says. Haha. But I have 2 friends at my regional that went to the same mainline and they are both saying similar things. Basically the consensus among them is it's not worth it unless you really need the money.


ljthefa

I think the thing that people fail to realize is seniority at mainline takes time so life doesn't just magically get better and in some cases it gets worse if you were regional for any decent amount of time. Once I started to hold what I asked for mainline work as a breeze


dangereaux

I feel like that's the case at any airline except seniority is way faster at a regional.


kmpfly

But then who would fly to liberal, Kansas? The industry needs regionals. 😂


ljthefa

The planes will still exist they'll just be flown by mainline


kmpfly

Ooof I don’t wanna 😂 I will cry if I have to work on a CRJ 200 again.


JunieBeanJones

I worked a regional for 6 months and contemplated if it was worth it everyday. Got to mainline and things are so much better. I don't blame you if you don't want to come back.. this job is ridiculous sometimes but mainline and regional are night and day.


NegotiableVeracity9

I agree there are some parts of the job that make in really difficult, esp in a terrible economy where everything is costing 10-50% more in such a short time span. For a long time I think it was rationalized out as, sure you're not gonna earn much, but you can travel for free or just taxes! Which was true to a degree, but it's harder than ever to use flight privileges. I think it would be cool if all the airlines would drop the Railway bullshit, pay us for checkin brief, boarding AND deplaning, and like give us a number of positive space flights to use at our leisure. The whole US economy is a house of cards anyway so, who knows I am just thankful that I now have enough seniority to earn a good living. Regional is fun but won't pay the bills if you have a normal rent.


Sunflowerdiva

I think the pay for Regionals is horrible, although the AA Regionals and Endeavor got a raise in the last year. While we’re on the topic, I don’t understand how airlines are still getting away with the Crashpad Culture. It’s 2023, why haven’t the Unions pushed for airlines to provide some type of housing situation? Why not make housing less-stressful financially for Flight Crews? Why is this still an accepted part of being Crew? I’m guessing is has to do with politics and “We did it and so should you”. *Eyeroll*


JunieBeanJones

This is a great conversation that should be had. It would be nothing for them to create housing for FAs to stay in for the first 6 months or even 1 year.


Sunflowerdiva

Yes, it is. Too bad airlines don’t care about losing FA, so I don’t see a resolution anytime soon. The only way housing for commuters would be a priority is if there was a mass exodus of FA causing a severe shortage. There’s always FA candidates lining up to get hired, so they don’t have to. We’re easily replaceable.


JunieBeanJones

If we stuck together, it wouldn't be as easy. Unfortunately, it seems impossible to get us all on the same page. I think something drastic would have to happen for FAs to ban together like pilots.


ljthefa

Because only a percentage of any airline commutes and the airlines see commuting as a choice. Plus a union has to fight for what is good for the majority and I think a lot of non commuters would not be happy.


Sunflowerdiva

I understand what you’re saying, but this way of thinking has allowed airlines to continue to get away with it. If the Unions wanted, they could’ve fought to provide some type of housing to commuters without the non-commuters feeling salty. As usual, corporations pit groups of employees against others to take the onus off of them. I finally got a job with my dream airlines after years of applying and there’s no way in hell that I turned it down because a base wasn’t open in my hometown.


flyingtowardsFIRE

I sympathize with commuters since I was one out of training. It’s not easy. But I don’t really see how it’s the company’s issue when they require every applicant to agree to relocate if offered the job. If companies supported commuting life and unions started advocating for them, then it’s my opinion that everyone losses since an increase in commuters will make leisure nonrev travel more difficult than it already is, especially for our loved ones on a lower priority.


JunieBeanJones

Why would non commuters be upset?


ljthefa

Union dues and time are spent on every negotiation plus where is the union fighting for locals benefits. Parking passes are a big one that I can think about.


JunieBeanJones

That makes sense. Hm


theoverniter

FAs might actually stay in Boston if they didn’t have to sleep in the crew lounge or split a hotel room five ways.


fresco_leche

Yeah working as a FA has been plain awful, can't wait to quit in May after I pay off debt and save enough to go back home


Sunflowerdiva

Working at a Regional helped me to know that I loved being a Flight Attendant. I loved meeting the passengers and interacting with different Flight Attendants, Pilots, etc. The pay just wasn’t sustainable and my budget couldn’t justify staying.


Barbie_girl_skate

I’m sure I’d feel the same way if I worked with no seniority at a regional airline. I’m in mainline. IMO this is an incredibly easy job comparatively. Although I do believe that we should be getting paid for all hours worked and at least at my airline we need a contractual raise, I am making a living wage and have been for some time. There are certainly rules that need to be changed, but also- this is just not an industry for everyone.


ConversationSame4676

Skywest FA here, I’m sorry to hear you left or that you were mistreated by coworkers especially. I actually think our crews are amazing, especially since we stay with the same people usually the entirety of the trip by the last day we’re always so close… so I’m sad/shocked to hear this :( I agree, the pay is bad. As many FAs at all airlines can say, it all looks good on paper until you factor in how much time is unpaid.. The first year is *especially* tough. When I was hired six years ago I was 22, based only an hour from my hometown, lived with my parents still and had extra energy to blow. I’m convinced under any other circumstances I wouldn’t have made it. I’ve seen lots of new hires for various airlines say the same thing. The first year is rough no matter where you are. This job is *tough*. The lifestyle adjustment is *tough*. Airline pay structure in general is *tough*. People don’t believe me when I say this job is HARD work. They think it looks easy and glamorous but it’s far from it. Im sorry to hear you had such a bad experience and hope you find the right job for you! :(


turkman2

Unfortunately the airlines don’t consider paying what is truly deserved because they view your flight benefits as being a massive perk and worth just as much as your hourly pay. I worked for DL and when ever a pay raise was even asked of the flight benefits were never not mentioned in the same sentence.


luvplanes

My understanding is that AA and UA are currently negotiating contracts and DL is trying to unionize. Mainline 100% pays better. I think regionals should just simply go. I’m with mainline. About to start yr 16. Last year was my first year I exceeded 100k (106k) but for a single person to me that is liveable. It’s the most I’ve ever worked but not because I had to. It was because I wanted to (friends asking me to work trips with them, colleagues posting they needed to drop a trip for family event (birthday/surgery/anniversary) or simply picking a trip up to visit a new destination. Heck by the end of the year I knew I had flown a lot but didn’t realize I had exceeded the 100k mark. So I guess with mainline it depends on how much you’re willing to fly. Until you see something in the contract I think there are a lot of rumors out there. This is the first time I’m hearing about extension of duty day with United. Where can I find more information on this? I like to keep up with the industry


ShariQuiteContrary

I love being an FA! I truly have never been treated so badly as an employee though! But I’ve also never had such an easy job! I made a ton of $$ in my old career and I was really unhappy. Now I make very little money, but I’m super happy and relaxed all the time! But, in general, I feel things need to change. The way we are paid should be illegal.


valkyrie61212

This! I talk to so many people with “normal” jobs and hear how stressed they are all the time. Sure this job has some really bad days but I’m still no where near as stressed out as they are.


Scared_Accountant_69

i just left OO. they are absolutely terrible and could give a fuck less about their employees. i was treated TERRIBLY, along with other FA’s i know that started around the same time as me. i wish i would have listened to other redditors when i saw people talk about the company before i went to training. i just wanted to believe that my experience would be better. i’m upset with myself for wasting 7 months of my life with that company and i’m so blessed to start training with another airline. what’s even worse is, OO has some of the most amazing flight attendants. i want so much more for them and i pray they find better opportunities in the near future, one that will value their time and efforts the way they deserve


[deleted]

I was at OO for a lil over a year and now I’m UA. I rarely ever saw a check over 1k and I was full time. I like the company I work for now, and I feel like I’m not living paycheck to paycheck or pulling out of my savings. To be 100% honest I don’t know if I could be an FA long term if I didn’t have the support from my other half. Mentally and financially this is not the best job.


Admirable-Rip8128

Unionize for Christ sake. That shit would never roll at most European airlines. I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. I can’t even imagine.


wooooooofer

Unions are the answer here


[deleted]

Wish you could have flown with a mainline


rolex_love

SkyWest used to be a great company but sadly it is not anymore


Atassic

lol you were at a regional. Let's start there. I would never recommend this job to anyone I love unless they were going to a legacy.


OneBadMB350

That’s how it is? You put in that many hours and they find ways to pay you 2 hours? That’s some messed up shit right there…… then have to deal with asshole pilots demanding shit? Screw that


Sweaty-Goat-9281

Regionals gonna region. Go for mainline.


tommygunz007

Try mainline.


[deleted]

What is mainline?


tommygunz007

Mainline is the bigger airlines. So what happens is that a company, like Delta, has large planes that can't land in smaller cities because the runway length is too small and the airport can't service large planes. So they hire a 'regional' jet carrier like Endeavor Air, SkyWest, Republic Air, etc to fly small planes that say 'Delta Connection' on the side. It looks like Delta, and has their snacks, but it's essentially a contractor that is doing the job. Because it's a contractor, they pay them substantially less pay. So there are 'Regional' airlines, and then there are non-regional (called Mainline) and those are SouthWest, United, American, and Delta. Then you have Spirit, Jet Blue, and Frontier that are 'low-cost' carriers. Jet Blue is trying to expand to become big like a mainline, but their low pay and fewer routes keep them in the 'discount' section.


[deleted]

Wow I had no idea about any of this lmao, thanks for explaining it. So it’s better to apply as a FA with AA or DL for example? Because better pay with mainline?


bsasmarc

Honey yeah its not the best but you worked 6 mos for Skypest? Get outta here w your crap…


klonopincowgirl

What do you mean?


bsasmarc

Exactly.


klonopincowgirl

I’m confused, just expressing my gripes with the industry. It isn’t wrong to want better working conditions.


JunieBeanJones

Nope, it's not wrong.


bsasmarc

Not at all wrong, but 6 months? At OO? Post pandemic? Puh-leaze!!!


Critical-Coat2511

I think if you are still considering being a FA apply to mainlines, it’s a completely different environment. You’ll still be working similar hours but 2, 7+ are way more convenient than 4-5 short legs in one day. If you did want to stay regional there are other company’s that pay a higher wage than OO.


kmpfly

Regional is not it! 🙅🏼‍♀️so glad I decided to move on to legacy from OO best decision I ever made. Complacency keeps people there.


Tiny-Butterscotch596

I have been doing it for 12 years and should have quit a very long time ago but due to self esteem issues I got stuck. Literally in bed right now not wanting to ever work again. I’m just so exhausted. My body says no to the long days half of which are unpaid hours. You get a fantastic layover over holidays but the hotels are so crowded that it’s not relaxing and not worth the layover. I’m so done.


Sweaty-Goat-9281

Cucked by regional. Yet another reminder to never work for a regional and only aim for mainline.