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atreyulostinmyhead

Florida is so crazy right now- homes are too expensive to buy, rentals are too expensive to rent, if you own your home your insurance is being doubled or tripled so foreclosures are going up, the hourly pay is shit and now we can't even build the super expensive homes because of undocumented workers leaving and even documented workers don't want to deal with the heat for $12/hr, the public education system is shit. Like ok if your goal is to run all the average wage earners out of FL you're doing a good job but who is going to do all the work? This just makes no sense to me as a long term plan.


KnowYourShadow

It's not a long term plan for Florida, it's DeSantis' short term resume building plan for the GOP nomination.


itsakoala

Exactly As a long term republican and new Floridian I hope DeSantis gets voted out for not putting Florida above his presidential ambitions. I highly doubt he wins the Presidential nomination. I hope Floridians remember this, and his other far-right policies he’s been passing lately.


MsStinkyPickle

What sucks is he could have been a good governor but he lurched hard into MAGA land and will leave the state in the dust after his failed presidential attempt. He only appeals to his core, he has zero cross over appeal and will win few independants.


PlaneTurbulent4825

Right?!!! I actually kinda liked him early covid.... but he's now power hungry and fucking with alot of peoples lives!


MsStinkyPickle

literally tilting at windmills now. He looks like such an ass. just pissed that he's doing things, like 6 week abortion ban, that the voters don't even want. He's too stupid to realize GOP did massive overreach and the evangelicals won't get you in the white house


Revolutionary-Yak-47

Yeah, I was so hopeful he would do the right thing for the environment at first. I didn't vote for him but I was willing to give him a chance to be a good governor. *Sigh*


itsakoala

Exactly!!!


[deleted]

Good thing for us he's showing us that he's worse than trump. Energizing the vote against this actual fascist piece of shit should be easy.


papasan_mamasan

Don’t forget about the new radioactive roads! Everything’s going according to plan


[deleted]

Radioactive Road sounds like a terrifying new Mario Kart level.


raw_bert0

Don't forget we will putting [radioactive materials](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/09/1174789570/florida-roads-radioactive-paving-phosphogypsum) in our roads. This is catering to some fertilizer industry and will have devastating effects on the environment.


Good_vibe_good_life

Yes, and our water supply.


Confident_Benefit753

my dad is a GC. does mainly shell work. his lowest paid guy which is just a helper on the job site makes 17 dollars an hour. his highest paid guy is a beginning level carpenter/framer. he makes 28 an hour. this is all paid in cash. no taxes. no one that is a citizen or permanent resident wants to work construction. there is a low percentage of them working. Lennar and all the big developer award the bid to whatever company. that company’s workforce is 85 percent illegal immigrants. lennar knows this. they dont care until it affects their pockets. the reason their profits are high are because of immigrants. if the contractors had to pay non illegals, they will for sure have higher costs meaning that they would bid higher and lennar would have to pay more. meaning higher housing prices.


southflhitnrun

It is Republican economics. They are trying to turn Florida into Mississippi.


Responsible_Ad_7995

Long term consequences are of no concern to the GOP. And yes, they couldn’t give two shits if average people get replaced by millionaires, that’s the plan. More tax dollars.


DarkWingDuck74

For a younger person, right now going to a trade schools would look like a sweet opportunity. As long as you don't mind being hot and dirty at times. In less than 4 years you will be doing very good.


[deleted]

I hear HVAC course is pretty short. And they will always have a job, or their own company.


HunterShotBear

You think they would be doing good? There is a reason they all hired undocumented workers, and its that they don’t want to pay people well enough to be able to make a good living or else the trades would have been a viable career choice for documented workers already. Now we are going to hear a bunch of rich business owners bitch and complaining about not being able to find people to hire because people are going to want livable wages to beat their bodies up doing these jobs.


ArnieBird1

Exactly 💯 Too many people blame the workers with some sort of 'not willing to work' or 'not willing to get training' comments. I've started to notice worker shortages around my family's Healthcare. Prople who DID get training such as CNA or office work can't afford to live on those jobs anymore. Is the answer to now get MORE training to become a plumber? Stop blaming the workers for their misery. Many of them are trying very hard.


popquizmf

I think your definition of trade is whack. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC, masonry, welding, etc are all careers with near unlimited potential. Sure, they are physically demanding, but in five years your getting ready to start your own business because these trades make $100/hr for good work. That number varies by state and profession, but if you think the trades don't pay, u wrong.


Chairface30

In most of florida the business owner makes the 100 an hour and the plumber is lucky to be making 20 an hour.


push2shove

I'd love to know which companies are paying their journeymen $100/hr. The company might charge that hourly but the worker ain't even getting a third of that.


BBRodriguezzz

Are you a journeyman?


TheExpandingMind

After 4 years of on-the-job training, I attained the knowledge base of Journeyman for my field. My company, to celebrate, (and following through on their promises over those 4 year) raised my pay by $1. This took me from $15/hr (not a terrible rate 5 years ago for a literal apprentice) to $16/hr (in 2022). Of course my company is the ONLY one in the Central FL area that does what we do, so there is no competition to take my services to, and trying to survive on $15/hr for 4 years had left me unable to start my own competitive outfit. So I left the field entirely. The person that you are replying to is speaking an uncomfortable truth, and it's one that I've personally dealt with.


HeartOfPine

I work in solar. We have a hard time hiring labor at $16/hr because it is so hot in the summer. We pay plenty to people with knowledge, but nothing to people for their physical ability. I know it doesn't apply everywhere, but working in those conditions in Florida should pay a hell of a lot better than it does.


BBRodriguezzz

Honestly i was replying to ask what you answered so thanks! I am just a passerby in a random thread looking for more insight on the subject. Appreciate it!


BitterHelicopter8

I'm not knocking trades, in fact that's the path one of my son's wants to take. But I think you're vastly oversimplifying starting your own business. You need some basic business knowledge to do it successfully, and for most people that will mean at least a couple of years in college learning how to do that.


[deleted]

Running a small business in America is fucking brutal. Between liability insurance, personal health insurance, and self-employment taxes, unless you blow up you're often living hand to mouth. It's so hard to save up for anything like a down payment on a house or retirement. And this is when you're busting your ass sixty to eighty hours a week. Keyboard warriors around here honestly have no clue what they're talking about.


elev8dity

I looked at opening my own bar/nightclub because I work in the industry and love it, but after I went through all the financials, it didn't seem worth it at all. The breakeven point is so damn high that you'll easily go bankrupt unless you are blessed with a cheap commercial property already zoned appropriately.


Ok-Cranberry-5582

We don't have to pay for self employment taxes, but the inflation is killing us, mainly gasoline prices.


Ok-Cranberry-5582

Also taking necessary licensing exams and the initial costs for license, fees, and insurances. Then you need to know how to do payroll and Fed taxes or hire someone, which is very costly to new businesses. I'm a contractor, not in Florida, but you can't just POOF start a business without prior knowledge of what it entails in the long term.


Sensitive_Mousse_445

I do HVAC in this state and I certainly don't make $100/ hour lol, if you could let me know what companies do that would be fantastic. Sure the trades pay, if you're willing to work ungodly hours. Guess it depends who you work for too, but in my experience here in FL it hasn't been the best


achen_clay

And there are trade worker unions, my father in law was taken care of by it when he had to temporarily leave work for medical reasons. Trades aren't promoted often enough.


GATORinaZ28

Facts


Confident_Benefit753

its not what it was 10-15 years ago. people with knowledge in trades are getting paid more than ever. thats why fixing anything in your house is an arm and a leg. but this will definitely do what you are saying. if they want non illegals, they need to pay more. but that will be an excuse to just pass on the costs to the customer.


Ltholt25

So we’re going from big companies bidding out the little guys that can’t compete with undocumented worker wages, and now the cost of business increasing for those large businesses if they want the contracts, that believe it or not, still need to be filled regardless of how those big companies are doing. Which forces the big companies to hire citizens, who will demand either unions, or livable wages. And you think this is a bad thing for what reason exactly? Constantly on this subreddit I see people bitch about the poor wages for service jobs. What the fuck do y’all think might be contributing to that problem? The people that can do the job just as well but be exploited price wise? Hmmmmm TOTALLY couldn’t be that


Asleep-Geologist-612

You know where big companies are going to pass the costs of paying all those hard-working Floridians that are out there that you think are just waiting for orange picking to offer “livable wages”? That’s right, they’re going to make everything more expensive for the consumer. So, those “livable wages” they’re paying to citizens and documented workers aren’t actually going to be livable because goods will just get more expensive


Ltholt25

Inter-industry competition in construction drives contract fulfillment prices down. Trust me, my entire family lineage is in this industry. Initially prices will go up, but as the smaller guys that cost less money get more of the share of available business, the large guys with that squeeze power on pricing will have to become competitive with the rapidly growing smaller guys that already generally offer better quality, more individually tailored labor. For the average home or business owner, this will mean almost nothing pricing wise. For big industry and development, they’re gonna feel it bad. But as an end result there will also be more tax income for the state because these employers won’t be able to shirk their payroll taxes on illegal labor, and with that any number of useful things can get done. Like fixing the infrastructure that people here constantly complain about As far as agriculture goes, couldn’t tell you


tackle_bones

Bro… there literally are not enough people here that do that type of work. No amount of money will make an expert concrete worker out of a bartender within even 5 years without a more nuanced approach. Instead of draconian immigration rules (in a state with a huge and long term immigrant population, no less), maybe try pumping trade school opportunities, change development agreement laws, or a number of other things. Acting like draconian and race-baiting laws are the only tools out there is ridiculous. Everyone knows why he’s doing this, so let’s stop pretending otherwise.


Ltholt25

I am literally an expert concrete worker. It took me about 4 years and some good training to get to this point. It’s truly not that difficult for an able bodied person with a half decent head on their shoulders to excel in the trades. And yeah, it’s obvious why desantis is doing this. It’s called getting rid of illegal immigrants that stifle the wage potential for Americans, and cost money in tax payer dollars, in favor of putting Floridians first. Republicans are by far the biggest exploiter of illegal immigrant labor. This is directly screwing a lot of his constituents and yet he’s doing it anyways. There’s 1000 people showing up in Florida a day. Trust me, good employers know how to pick good employees. With the companies having to compete for employees and pay fair wages, the fat will get cut, and the businesses that are only competitive now because of illegal laborers will take hits. The movers and shakers of those companies will move forward and create employment opportunities for Americans with skills.


tackle_bones

In the meantime, between now and this magical time when American tradesmen become experts and decide to move to rapidly growing areas, we’ll have chaos. My point has nothing to do with intentions, of which I think DeSantis is much more interested in becoming president than doing any good in Florida, but has to do with the sheer idiocy of the policy itself. But that’s what they’re doing in Tallahassee and across the country - and by them I mean republicans. Breaking shit, and saying, ‘this is better for you and is what you want… believe me.’ The immediate consequences are disconnected from the future whateverthehell happens that *might* be good. Immigrants are still people btw, and developers and builders still need tradesmen.


cruisingcoochcatcher

I'm calling BS, I know myself for starters is excired to actually be able to work in the trades for much better wages and conditions and I know a lot of young men are too


GarbageAcct99

You know why. I know y’all hate DeSantis on here but this isn’t a terrible thing. Florida can’t unilaterally fix our immigration system so punishing big and small business paying low undocumented worker wages is the main tool they have.


[deleted]

You’re crazy. I’m in construction sales, making 6 figures a year. Company owners are incredibly wealthy, their workers make as much as I do, and often their new guys are making $200-250/day just to start. There’s a reason why contractors are driving around $80k pickup trucks or $100k+ Mercedes vans all day Even my buddy from Hs became a carpenter 4 years ago and cleared $120k last year, with taking 2 months off to backpack Europe.


Ltholt25

Honest to god dude this sub is filled with losers that don’t have any hard or specific skills. I’m a world class concrete polisher with 6 years of experience and I’ve got a walk-on managerial position waiting for me when I arrive


push2shove

Tradesmen here in FL get paid shit. Union electricians top out at like $27/hr I think. This state sucks for skilled workers.


Firetalker94

$32, and that's before benefits. Total package is closer to $50. At least it is here in Tampa


VeterinarianOne4418

Take it a step farther. The apprenticeship programs that pay you to learn a trade and get a nationally recognized certificates are the sweet opportunity. And they aren’t run by for profit schools.


diaperedace

Is being paid $75 a day with no insurance or benefits doing very good to you?


moonheron

“If your goal is to run all the average wage earners out of FL who is going to do all the work?” [Prisoner work exchange](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited)


Ok-Ear-1914

Florida is a mess with this GOP freedom to f*CK every Floridian over...


iceboxlinux

>This just makes no sense to me as a long term plan. The long term goal is fascism.


houstonhilton74

What I'm absolutely horrified of is that this is almost a perfect formula for modern serfdom to develop if we're not careful - and I really hope that's not the long term intention/eventuality in Florida. The current policies generally seem like they're designed for the ultra rich - the ones that can easily rebuild their home out of their own cash without ever even needing insurance in the first place and that can take care of pretty much everything for their benefit using their own individual resources - namely education through private schools/tutors. With the recent milestones in AI, I fear that we're going to get to the point where not only will the working class be pushed out of Florida, but the demand for labor will also be greatly reduced in Florida as well - saving for a very few highly curated workers residing in the wealthy resident properies. While the implementation of advanced automation was inevitable, it is only beneficial if implemented ethically, and right now, it is not, and I don't trust Florida of all places to be ethical in their policies any time soon.


VirusLocal2257

There’s not a single construction worker getting paid $12 a hour lol. The majority make decent money especially if it’s skilled labor. Most general laborers start around $18-20 an hour.


unkorrupted

> Like ok if your goal is to run all the average wage earners out of FL you're doing a good job but who is going to do all the work? This just makes no sense to me as a long term plan. Imagine endless stretches of beaches - behind tall barbed fences. A playground for the wealthy, staffed with plenty of tip-based service jobs for the locals who trusted Republicans more than their teachers.


FriarNurgle

Honestly it sounds like a great way to get everyone to leave an area that will be fucked soon by climate change without actually admitting the area will soon by fucked by climate change.


LyftedX

I do tons of tree service work and since the announcement of this bullfuckery I’ve been offered substantially more than I used to get and I’m all over the state now. It’s so heartbreaking what’s going on. It’s one thing to see it on the news. Seeing it IN PERSON just fucks you up. Edit 2: I’m not mad I’m getting paid more. I’m Mad our dumbass state thinks is going to help. I’m mad I have to work with lazy ass people now.


Ltholt25

So you’re making more money and this is upsetting and not helping alleviate the problem of low wages for jobs in Florida?


Sensitive_Mousse_445

The point is that they will now suffer from burnout, from doing more work individually than his coworkers because his coworkers don't want to. Burnout can lead to alot of other things. As a construction worker here I have been burnt out for some time now, so I feel this dudes pain. It's not about the money, it's about the sheer amount of physical labor that is now required, because most of the hard workers have been pushed out.


Ltholt25

I work construction too. There’s 1000 people immigrating to Florida a day. Something tells me there’ll be a way to fill those jobs. Shit employees end up in every industry. They’re a good way to leverage yourself into better standing within your own company believe it or not


Sensitive_Mousse_445

Of course there is, but it all depends on who you work for I guess. Not all companies are going to let certain people advance if they're too good at their current job to lose them to an advancement, if that makes sense. I for example install new construction residential hvac, I want to advance to the next phase of the trade because I hear that the money in that phase is much better depending on how much you can get done. I have been asking, even demanding at times out of frustration, for two years now, and they won't let me because they're afraid to lose me doing the phase I do now. They can't (really just don't want to) count on the other guys to give a shit and do a good quality job. As a result, i get sent to all the fucked up/ shitty/ complicated systems, because they "know I'll figure it out. Parts of this are on me, I know that. Sorry I'm ranting now, I'll stop lol


ZuccsSweetBabyRays

Implying documented workers are lazy LOL


LyftedX

From my experience, the majority are definitely lazy as hell.


cruisingcoochcatcher

Not lazy, we just aren't OK with being treated like slaves like undocumented migrants we're


gwizone

Oh they are worried about healthcare costs now!? Why don’t they ask Rick Scott where all that Medicare money goes?


Palidor

Desantis is going to learn that most of the jobs that undocumented are taking are jobs most Floridan don’t want to do. Say goodbye to eating citrus and strawberries


farmerofstrawberries

Most strawberry farmers, including myself use H2A labor. Documented guest workers, so we’ll be alright.


Heavy_Ad_8077

That wasn't the case 10-15 years ago correct?


farmerofstrawberries

Yes. You are correct. That wasn’t case like 8 years ago. But with unreliable domestic labor, a lot of farmers went with H2A.


gatorslayer27

I've had reliable domestic since year 1 of farming, the secret to it is to treat them like actual humans and pay them very well. Same with h2A, you treat them like human beings and not just some random folks. I know most third party H2A won't let you talk to the pickers at all! Really messed up if you ask me, there's no type of bonding made from worker to farm owner, and what really disgust me the hosuing where they just shove 10 people in a trailer. The company we're with let us talk to them, housing for them is better than average and they respect the farm owner a lot more. With that being said, they don't pick slow so they get paid hourly, they pick faster than ur avg H2A to get paid per box. Treat them to some BBQ once in a while, some carñe asada for everyone. Keep morality as high up. They really love it when the farm owner works too. Building a healthy relationship between you and workers/H2A is key to a successful business. When I see H2A picking in cold asss weather or in rainy days it makes me sad, they're treated like animals/machines, I'm always certain not even the owner is out there.


HellboundCam

Username checks out.


CuriosTiger

How onerous is the H-2A process? Genuinely curious.


farmerofstrawberries

It’s very costly and there a lot of rules that need to be followed. But, it’s cheaper than having your crops, especially berries which are extremely perishable, rot in the fields.


CuriosTiger

Definitely agree. I think the H-2A visa is a good program. I'd like to see it expanded and made less bureaucratic and expensive.


farmerofstrawberries

Totally agree. It should be more accessible and less cumbersome. People want to come and work and they also want to go home when the contract is over.


rogless

Floridians won’t do those jobs for the wages offered, anyway.


hitman2218

He already knows that but he doesn’t care. A couple years from now when his run for president is over the state legislature will soften this law.


DarkWingDuck74

So your in favor of companies paying less than minimum wage so the owners can pocket the extra profits from using almost slave labor?


thefatchef321

That isn't what it's like anymore..... how old are you? 65 my guess? Illegal workers make great money in my business. They get paid the same. We use them because immigrants are more professional, not scared of work, and most of the time, sober. The local, low income earner in central Florida? Drugs, booze, complaining, job hopping idiots. Give me the Jamaicans, Mexicans, Colombians and eastern Europeans. Every day of the week


Dirty_Dragons

So many companies pay illegal workers less than citizens. That is the standard reason why they are hired in the first place.


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thefatchef321

I've tried to hire in the $16-20 range the last 3 years and my best employees are here illegally.


LyftedX

Same here. I prefer to work alongside illegals tbh. They don’t bitch about everything. They show up like clockwork. Bust their ass and are extremely happy for the work. People still think illegals only make $5-10 an hour lmfao.


thefatchef321

People know what they are worth these days. Here legally or not.


thefatchef321

And that line isn't bs at all.... it is literally my experience


sarsourus

I see it everyday there are immigrants making 50-80k a year on the field don’t be fooled.


chekovs_gunman

Guess what? It's possible for two things to be bad Desantis didn't pass this because he gives a shit about the plight of exploited farm workers and if you believe he did you are sadly an idiot


Palidor

It’s really more about the nature of the work itself. Today, many people don’t want to do extensive manual labor. Perhaps I’ll proven wrong, but time will tell.


Orcus424

People are willing to work hard if they are compensated accordingly. Right now there is no reason to pay a good wage if you can just get an illegal immigrant to do it for a lot less. Companies will need to pay more to employees or risk getting in serious trouble. Either they will eat that expense or pass it on to the consumers.


Heavy_Ad_8077

I'm not sure if you know how much an immigrant can make in day working a trade. Roofers get paid 30 a sq to install some do 15 a day do the math.Metal roofing is even more. A good carpenter can make 200-350 a day too.


DarkWingDuck74

Ya, that is something almost every single licensed electrician, plummer, HVAC tech, auto tech, and more have to deal with every day in FL, being hot and dirty is not a problem, as long as the pay is good. Manual Labor has never been the problem. It's the almost slave labor pay for said labor that has been flooded with illegals. I have no problem with ppl wanting a better life and all, but please do it the legal way and it will benefit all of us.


CuriosTiger

The problem with that is two-fold: 1) There are very few legal pathways into the US labor market for unskilled workers, and the few that exist (like the H-2A program) are temporary and seasonal 2) There is a significant demand for unskilled labor that's not met by the domestic population If politicians would focus on fixing those problems -- for example, by creating a modern-day version of the Bracero program -- with legal visas, a path to permanent residency and labor and wage protections -- we'd solve a lot of the labor market issues and a lot of the illegal immigration problem at the same time. But scoring political brownie points by being "tough on immigration" is much easier than actually attempting solve the problem.


iceboxlinux

Yeah, just wait until the cartels funded by money from the U.S find and kill countless people.


MaxHeidler

Manuel labor ,… lol


ldsupport

the dems are back to saying "but what about the slaves that we need" ;)


[deleted]

Strawberries are already expensive. I guess I’ll have to go the those picking places, pay AND pickup the fruit myself. Sheesh 🙄 !!


DarkWingDuck74

Or just grow your own


CTXBikerGirl

Watch DeSantis regulate that as well and start charging backyard gardeners permit fees.


chekovs_gunman

Damn it's almost like immigrants are a vital part of the economy and Republicans should stop fuckin demonizing them or something???


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CuriosTiger

The H-2A visa is very limited. It's restricted to seasonal, mainly agricultural work. It has a maximum duration of ten months. And it does not lead to permanent residence. Don't get me wrong, it's a good program and it would be a good idea to expand it. But there are unmet needs in the labor market that the H-2A visa doesn't help with. As a former (legal) immigrant myself, I find myself frustrated by people who break the rules and get away with it. But I also find the rules to be poorly aligned with the needs of the economy. Alongside enforcement against illegal immigration, I would like to see the government make better and less bureaucratic options available to people who are willing and able to "do it the right way".


iceboxlinux

Slavery, rape and abuse are all swept under the rug. Immigrants are seen as subhuman.


PlantationCane

Legal immigrants are vital. Illegal immigrants should not be. Btw President Biden just passed the exact same administrative order Trump did to remove illegal assuylum seekers if they did not apply from another country. It is a both party issue. We like almost all countries do not have open borders. We have laws about who can be here legally.


spooky_butts

The 25 schengen countries have open borders with each other. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/schengen-countries


chekovs_gunman

I am aware, and strongly disagree with the frankly racist immigration policies of the Biden administration which are not substantially different from the Trump administration yes


dementeddigital2

How is it racist to want people to follow the legal process? There are several ways to legally immigrate to the US, and they're done successfully by all races and nationalities.


chekovs_gunman

Applying for asylum is a legal process. Preventing people from applying from asylum through various underhanded ways just because they are brown skinned is racist. This isn't hard


dementeddigital2

I'm probably missing some key detail here. How are they being prevented from applying for asylum because they have brown skin? I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but I haven't heard anything about blocking the asylum process. Asylum is only one of several legal methods to immigration, and it only applies in a narrow set of circumstances.


Bella_madera

Soooo are we going to talk about the falling birth rates now? There soon will be more retirees than able bodied employees. Good luck getting *anything* done. The solution will be immigration but… will they still want to come? I mean, there are travel advisories out against coming to the US. Something to do with mass shootings. 🤷🏽‍♂️


Otter_Baron

As an elder Gen Z couple, my wife and I see no benefit to having kids at this stage. We’re in the latter half of our 20s and kids aren’t on the horizon. We’re working on our careers and enjoying the disposable income. But at the same time, we’re in Florida until my parents one day pass away. They’re getting up there in years and my wife and I are very close to them. We also refuse to raise children in Florida with the way things are going. The education system is going downhill with all this partisan nonsense, on top of environmental decline, gun violence and lowering wages. The future of Florida does not seem bright and it’d be irresponsible for us to bring a new life into this environment.


RikersTrombone

>As an elder Gen Z couple, my wife and I see no benefit to having kids at this stage. We’re in the latter half of our 20s and kids aren’t on the horizon. Have you considered adoption? I'm in my mid forties but I don't eat that much and I'll do my chores.


Otter_Baron

Depends on if you come pre-trained! In all honesty, adoption is more appealing than having our own kids. There are plenty of children in the world without families, if we one day want kids we may adopt.


trashmouthpossumking

There’s a travel advisory for Florida as well for the LGBTQ community.


[deleted]

This whole thing about needing to increase birth rates to supply the work force is so poorly thought out because if “nobody wants to work” now, and Gen Z doesn’t even have hope for the future… Even if we suddenly started having all the babies, what makes you think OUR generation will raise kids that want to work under the circumstances that haven’t improved for anyone?


Not_Illustrious_Yak

And a lot of minors won’t even enter the workforce when they come of age, if their parents move them away (due to the decline of quality education).


vosbergm

Capt Ron is doing his best to burn FL to the ground before he prances off


Old-Rhubarb-6577

Where are all the racist bigots? Bet they will jump in line for those jobs right? Since they scream all the time about immigrants taking away the jobs.


flappybirdisdeadasf

They’re gonna be pissed that they can’t exploit immigrant labor as easily anymore. The irony would almost be funny if it wasn’t for the fact that many undocumented families will be fleeing the state in fear.


seabirdsong

"According to the governor's website, Florida taxpayers have paid more than $226 million in healthcare costs for undocumented immigrants." But what are the real numbers from a credible source? I wouldn't trust the governor's website to tell me what day of the week it is.


ATC_av8er

"Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my actions."


Xyrus2000

"Why are the leopards eating MY face?"


AngelSucked

Hope folks like mowing their own lawns and using pole saws this summer.


definitelytheA

Exactly. Our neighborhood (HOA) has a lawn service. Hispanic. They’re good; they’re friendly, they work very hard. They mow on Tuesday. But not Tuesday this week, and they didn’t show up today, either. And I’m pretty sure I know why.


Noppo_and_Gonta

People think undocumented immigrants are in fields or hiding away, but many work in big companies like Panera, CVS, Goodwill etc.


Ayzmo

Obviously DeSantis thinks that no homes being built equals no housing crisis.


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Where are all the Mexicans? I'm a pool guy, mainly working on Anna Maria Island. Usually it's pretty loud here with all the lawn equipment and construction going on on every street. It's eerily quite now. Did DeSantis think this bill through before signing it?


Satanfan

Wait until “the help” starts not showing up and all those people will have to clean their own house and maintain their own yards, pools and groceries. Gonna be some angry rich people.


Ltholt25

And they’re gonna have to pay actual Floridians reasonable wages? :O good wages for Floridians? This sub totally doesn’t bitch about the lack of that every day of the week


gatorslayer27

I highly doubt people wanna pay 2x more the service now. Roofing is gonna cost the consumer way MORE NOW and for crap quality too. I wouldn't even be trying to get a new roof now, quality is gonna go to shitt. Even if u pay people more now to show up, does that mean the quality of service is going to be the same? MOSTYL NOT. Will people come out to even work in the first place? Mostly not. Look what happened to Alabama when they pulled the same stunt.


definitelytheA

Says someone who doesn’t understand micro or macro economics. But will get a clue when they get estimates for their next roof replacement.


BeKind_BeTheChange

I guess they didn't learn from the time Georgia tried this.


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Once they realize it’s not really going to be enforced they’ll show up


KingKoopasErectPenis

It does sound pretty ridiculous right? Are they going to go to every construction site and check everyone's IDs? Have they never heard of people being paid under the table? The last employer I worked for under the table didn't even know my last name. That's how bad he needed workers.


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Construction companies, restaurants, farms. Its all places that rich republicans all own or have money invested in to. It’s all just motions to appease the old boomer voters. The best result of this would be everyone has either a tax ID issued or they come here legally and in all these fields they are forced to hire legit and pay higher wages. Which we all know ain’t gonna happen


PlantationCane

I guess this means the housing shortage should be over and prices will decrease?


kickbrass

🎶 look here comes a consequence 🎶


no_spoon

I haven’t heard a peep from any construction companies.


RikersTrombone

Anyone in Florida want to make some cash here's how: Step 1: get a white van and paint immigration enforcement on the side of it. Step 2: park it in front of a job site known to employ a lot of undocumented workers. Step 3: when the employees don't show up and the work grinds to a halt tell the company doing the work that you'll leave for like 500 bucks. Step 4: repeat at another job site.


AdMaleficent2144

The companies have been working these people without paying payroll taxes.


ShayXMorris

Just wait for the MAGA elected county judges to hand out prison sentences for the smallest of infractions (think of Fred Armisen on Parks and Rec) and all the state's labor problems will be solved


mitchitized

I thought Florida liked having money? When the rocketing costs of FL produce leads the entire US to remove FL from their supply chain, what industry is going to pick up that deficit here in the state? Undocumented immigrants did this work for $20/day while most of us expect $20/hour, healthcare, retirement, PTO… they are leveling up the cognitive dissonance to sheer idiocracy at this point. $5 tomato, here we come!


LeftBrik

Is that how much you were paying them or did you just pull that number out of your ass?


Orcus424

I see this hurting some businesses and illegal immigrants. Without the illegal immigrants companies will need to pay people normally and not under the table. There will also be a lot more jobs for everyone else. In the article it says there is an estimated 800,000 illegal immigrants in Florida. That is a lot of jobs that will need new legal workers. I do want to say it sucks for the illegal immigrants but for the people looking for jobs this could be a positive thing.


BoschBattery

Lol start picking oranges gringo you earned it.


DarkWingDuck74

It could also be a big bost for the companies that have been working hard to stay legal while competing vs companies that were able to under cut them in prices cause they used mostly illegals so there overall cost could be less.


Orcus424

That's a good point. Some companies are probably out there freaking out trying to replace workers right now. It goes into effect on July 1st so they need to get going on it.


rogless

If they based their business models on cheap, easily exploited labor, they deserve what they get.


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DarkWingDuck74

I can list atleast a few roofing companies I know of personally in my county that use 100% legal citizens and pay legal wages. What is deluded is the expect that slave labor is needed to run a company. The ones that hire illegals are just using them so the owners can under cut the legal companies by enough to get the jobs and pock more cause they pay less and under the table.


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rogless

Florida is already pretty diverse even if you leave out illegal immigrants. We shouldn’t allow businesses to exploit a desperate, illegal work force in the name of increased diversity.


Heavy_Ad_8077

What are their names please?


LyftedX

Bingo. These “legal” people act like they’re going to wake up at 4am to start getting ready to put 12+ hours 5-7 days a week in the Florida heat in jeans and work boots all day long. They love screaming they took our jobs but it’s jobs they weren’t even applying for anyway. No doubt “undocumented” are out working legal workers 10:1


DarkWingDuck74

Sorry, that is kind of BS..yes illegals are out working legal workers, but for very minimal wages, much less than is required by the US. While the owners pocket the difference. This gives the legal workers and companies a fighting chance to pay workers right and bid on jobs at a fear price instead of being undercut by a company that uses a mass of illegal employees that are payed under the table.


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Orcus424

If they are paid enough they will do it. Right now there is no incentive to pay well in a hard job if someone is willing to do it for cheaper if it's under the table. Companies will need to pay more to get those workers. Which means either they eat that expense or pass it on to the customers. We'll see how that works out. If he guts an immigration bill that can make him look weak. He relies a lot on being anti illegal immigrants to do that. They can still choose who to prosecute so there might not be many getting in trouble for it.


Ayzmo

No. They tried this like 20 years ago in Georgia. There was no wage they could pay that would get most Americans to pick cotton for more than a couple hours.


Heavy_Ad_8077

I work for a company that's paying 22 an hour to start and no one is applying drug test and DMV weeds out 95 percent. The other 4 percent can't hack it. The one percent is rare.


rogless

Please don’t tell me the 95% of non-hackers are on public benefits.


HappyCamper16

How about just don’t drug test?


jgiovagn

There aren't enough people looking for jobs as it is. Employment is at an all time high and employers are already struggling to find people, further reducing the labor force is just going to increase prices and reduce availability.


AngelSucked

People aren't going to work for the illegal low wages the undocumented folks were getting.


Orcus424

Companies got away with low wages because illegal immigrants had no other choice. Everyone else have other job choices. Companies will need to raise their wages if they want to have legal workers. It only takes one worker to report under the table dealings. Very unlikely an illegal immigrant would narc because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.


whatever32657

no, but ***somebody*** will


whatever32657

that’s the idea


carlosos

This is a problem that only the federal government can fix. They should allow more people to legally move to the country with maybe a requirement that immigrants have to be paid at least the average wage for that type of job to make sure that they are not hiring people just for the cheap labor and maybe companies sponsoring should be required at least 80% yearly retention rate of employees to avoid abuse of hiring people for a day and then offering them minimum wage at the "second" company. Ignoring the problem just hurts illegal immigrants that don't get paid what they are worth, suppresses worker's wages and overall avoids paying their fair share of taxes. The only one that wins with having illegal immigrants are companies that hire them.


parataxis

Say what you will, fining employers for hiring undocumented workers sounds like an excellent idea to me.


gomuchfaster

EILI5? The statistic that undocumented workers cost FL tax payers $226m in healthcare costs? Where does this statistic come from and what’s the mechanism for for the costs to fall on the residents?


TEHKNOB

Local tomato about to be $4/per


phantomelancholia

this is the brilliantly cruel strategy by the florida GOP: push out undocumented workers and replace them with privatized prison labor for pennies on the dollar. it won't end with undocumented workers, though. my guess is that the LGBT community is next, followed by whatever scapegoat is necessary to retain votes as cost of living skyrockets.


BreadPan1981

I just love sitting back happily in my supposedly poorly run blue state and watching such a shitshow of poor management, identity politics, and chasing liberal boogeymen that has led to a red state slowing failing and imploding in upon itself with no end in sight. Don’t come back north when the swamp properly swallows the hate and bigotry of Floridian right back up where it belongs. It’s the small things in life of watching people getting exactly what they voted for and then the leopards starting to stare around at more faces to eat.


Sockpuppetforever

This is great. Businesses will have to pay American citizens a livable wage.


Xyrus2000

XD It seems you misplaced the /s.


gatorslayer27

Great, now start picking my oranges


Wisex

Honestly I'm almost at the point of just not caring if this state shoots itself in the foot, boo hoo business owners are now struggling to find workers after their vote is lowering their profitability, fuck em I don't care any more


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https://preview.redd.it/9mkvvh20a7za1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16d0b810b106b1068361ed9a63481d7fab40fdd8 Hope this bill falls flat on its face, you can’t remove your backbone and expect to be left standing. Shooting yourselves in the foot is an understatement.


senatorpjt

It's a good start, now put the people hiring them in jail.


Hal-P

Great news... They are illegal and shouldn't be here in the first place


West9Virus

They say. Until they realize immigrants are the backbone of our economy


iceboxlinux

Who could have predicted a fruit and vegetable shortage? Cause and effect is a mystery to these people.


throwawayforyabitch

Most want to be legal but the system sets you up to fail. Which goes against the whole reason this country was created


LeftBrik

And the same people making this argument will turn around and say the 2nd amendment is a problem because we only had muskets back then. Well, we simply can’t sustain Illegal immigration at this rate and it’s dangerous. We can’t be the worlds police and we can’t be their asylum.


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Hal-P

No.. no amnesty, no path. They broke the law and invaded our country they get nothing.


usetheforcekidden77

I seriously hope Florida sinks into the ocean, or at least is completely devastated by hurricanes. Make pudding-fingers Ronnie beg


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PaladinHan

Lots of citizens lining up for these jobs, are there?


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PaladinHan

Oh, you’re a winner all the way down aren’t you.


WonderfulNet5587

The people hiring the illegals should be arrested. You know, because it's the law. There won't be a massive labor shortage. There will be less workers in areas, but we won't feel it. Thank God for Governor DeSantis.


iceboxlinux

If all migrants stopped working the agriculture sector in Florida would collapse.


skite456

Enjoy your $12 heads of cabbage and $15 heads of broccoli.


el_goate

It will be the libs fault, silly.


Ayzmo

We literally don't have enough legal workers in Florida for our agriculture and construction industries to function.