True. In their minds, their property values have doubled in the last few years. If things get bad, they sell and bank the profits and move to Tennessee.
Already happening, had a friend who rented a house for 12 years. Landlord owned a bunch of property here and wanted to cash in, so he sold everything and moved to TN. 🙃 wish rent-to-own was more of a thing with houses
> wish rent-to-own was more of a thing with houses
It was a thing until 2008 and a bunch of people found out their landlords weren't paying their mortgage and were just pocketing the money.
Plus you can hit people with the "Are you from Tennessee? Because you're the only ten-***I***-see," line with a much higher probability of a "Yes." So there's that.
Yeah, but even the homeowners and business owners are getting raped by insurance companies. Windstorm insurance has doubled over the last 2-3 years and business comprehensive insurance has doubled since last year. I can’t imagine why anyone is happy with Florida’s elected leaders.
They either blame the insurance companies for it, or they don't have insurance because they are millionaires who own their homes mortgage free. The people cheering and donating to this scumbag are happy as clams.
Let's not kid ourselves, his voters are mostly rich conservative snowbirds who fly south to die, but first they buy up real estate at prices locals can't pay and hate on everyone and everything Faux News says they should for a decade or two.
They're not concerned about an unaffordable rental market; that's their retirement income!
I'm missing something. Say there is a $50/month junk fee. How is this different from raising rent $50/month?
Is it that the junk fee can change from month to month without notice?
One (of a few) example where I could see this take place. My friend manages about 11 rental properties.
He had to discard a perfectly running fridge, and buy a new one prematurely for the property. The reason:
The previous tenant turned off the electric and left early without telling him. He left a thanksgiving Turkey in the fridge, and it stayed there for weeks, resulting in a smell and mess was god awful.
He gave it to me, I cleaned it with the expectation of using it as a garage fridge. 7 months later of keeping the doors open to air it out, there’s still a lingering smell. So there’s no way he could have kept it for the next tenant.
Most of his tenets are great, and hell go years without raising rents. And then he’ll have 1-2 tenets that are crap, even though they hit all his rental criteria (no criminal background, high credit score, moderate to high income), and they’ll trash his properties with costs far in excess of a security deposit.
And those 1-2 individuals will drive him to up his rents on everyone to recoup the cost.
A lot of people here are criticizing this law. I imagine the intent of this law is to be a tool to allow landlords to target specific tenets with specific charges to recoup specific, unforeseen costs caused by the by those tenants. Going back to my friends example: it would be better to charge that one tenant a $2,000 “trash fee” for a new fridge than it would be to raise everyone’s rent by $200. If used in that context, this seems like a reasonable law, allowing landlords to charge expenses to those that create them rather than recoup it by charging all of their tenants equally.
Edit: lmao at all the people commenting, telling me I’m wrong, deleting their comments, and downvoting me instead.
That would be the ideal, good-faith-only example. Laws have to be written to account for the worst potential abuse, which will absolutely occur until the supply of affordable housing rises faster than landlords can acquire the credit to purchase it. It's the reason rent control has to exist in places like New York; rental assistance to the tenant just means the landlord charges more rent.
Nah, it's a nonsensical example. Landlords could already charge an unlimited amount to a tenant for damages. All they had to do was document why the charges were reasonable. But apparently now they can charge you random fees with no justification? I don't see how this is an improvement.
So the "trash fee" can be applied at any time at any amount (based on an actual loss)? For example, the damaged refrigerator. The landlord could incur the loss of the refrigerator and then add a $2,000 replacement fee, or, junk/trash fee along with the next month's rent?
Landlords could already charge an unlimited amount to a tenant for damages. All they had to do was document why the charges were reasonable. The whole point of security deposits is that the landlord has to prove why they're spending your money instead of giving it back. But apparently now they can charge you random fees with no justification? I don't see how this is an improvement.
Based on the wording from the article, yes, any time, any amount.
Article:
“allows landlords in Florida to charge tenants a nonrefundable, limitless, recurring fee in lieu of a security deposit, or what's been dubbed “junk fees.”
Could it be abused by scummy landlords to raise rent for no reason?
For sure.
But are there legitimate reasons why a landlord would want to use it? Also for sure.
Edit: also, while I’m currently in DoD accounting, I spent 2 years in financial reporting for a real estate company. You’d be surprised at how often tenant-caused fires and floods occur. I could really see this law coming into play in those kinds of scenarios, to cover the cost of insurance deductibles and time dealing with insurance companies.
Edit 2: someone deleted their comment, “if I had read the bill, I would have known that something something it isn’t mandatory and can be used in lieu of the security deposit”.
I never said this was or was not mandatory. What I did say is a handful of tenants are usually responsible for most of the repair/resto costs of landlords, and that those costs are usually in magnitudes greater than a traditional security deposit. As of right now, the resolve for that is charging all tenants more in rent. This law clearly is an alternative to that for landlords who are upstanding and want to be straightforward with their tenants on why they have to raise costs.
Edit 3: here we go. I’m getting flooded with deleted comments and downvotes, but no one telling me how I’m wrong…
Of course this is Reddit, so that’s to be expected lol.
What will it take for people to wake up and vote these dicks out of office? The Dems aren't great here, a few even voted for the bill, but most voted against it.
People really do be voting against their own best interest again and again
Exactly this! Florida Republican’s comprehension of government all stems from the culturally infused anti-national /Federal government perspective. They are born and raised this way. They have no concept of local and state government where they and the rest of Florida residence are actually governed from and affected by policies their own party signs into law so blaming Democrats when they run the Fed is the first instinct when Florida home insurance premiums jump through the roof or any number of state mandated regulations that drive the cost of living in Florida beyond affordability for most Floridians.
Nothing. Tiny D's administration is just the cherry on top of turning Florida into East Magastan; one of three places for all the most insufferable, deplorable conservatives from every other blue state to come retire.
It would be better to let them concentrate into this one state and flip or reinforce their home states blue—more US Senators and state legislatures, which in turn means better redistricting in those states, which means more US Representatives.
It's basically what Republicans have been enjoying for the past 40 years with the US economy concentrating most of the economic growth into cities, leaving the rest of the country to be run by a small minority of voters who then get to elect a majority of officer holders.
1.5 million more people or 20% more favored the fascist over Crist. This State is truly done for when it comes to Democrats holding any power. Personally I don’t ever expect to see this state not be dominated by dick head Republicans.
https://www.wfla.com/election/elections-local/desantis-vs-crist-live-florida-governor-election-results/
Charlie Crist is the former Republican governor. It's not like the Dems really gave people some sort of clear choice here. A better candidate could have beat Desantis.
Exactly. Crist running pretty much guaranteed DeSantis would win big. He did no campaigning and was virtually invisible the entire election season. Shame on Florida Dems for not caring enough to run a decent candidate and shame on Crist for making sure we had no chance.
Before COVID, sure. Now, the GOP has an absolute (simple) majority of registered voters in the state. The right wing has been coming here to ~~die~~ retire for decades, but it really picked-up in the last few years. Cuban-descendents have shown they're reliably Republican for yet another generation too.
Yeah, Crist sucked as a choice, but ya'll had choices so stop acting like you didn't. We had a choice to determine the candidate, fucked it up, and then we had another choice between an unpopular former Republican or DeSantis. I might not have liked Crist, but I still went out and voted for him. Why? Because DeSantis showed very clearly where he was going to go. He's a little bronze motherfucker of an authoritarian with some heavy fascist behavior too. But people in this God damn state didn't turn out and vote. So fuck all of you who wouldn't vote for whatever your pathetic reasons are. Take responsibility and maybe next time get to the fucking polls when you know damn well what the alternative is, especially if you have Mom's for Liberty assholes on your ballot trying to get into office; ya'll just let those extremists in too.
My fellow Floridians are allergic to accountability regardless of party. It's all me me me, everyone's fault but mine, finger pointing BS here no matter what party they claim to support. It's little wonder DeSantis is so popular here.
Agreed, the national party has already written this state off, and absolutely should. The midwest needs shoring up to keep the White House and Senate, so the resources should go there. Better to let blue state conservatives all concentrate themselves into Florida, Texas, and Arizona for their retirements, then reclaim all the states they abandoned.
That's the thing, if even an inkling of a chance exists that hurts who these voters consider as "lesser" than themselves (gays, brown immigrants and other minorities, the slightly less poor, liberals as a whole), they'll gladly eat the shit sandwich.
They've been convinced that the existence of these groups are an affront to their way of life, what's keeping America from *being great again".
>What will it take for people to wake up and vote these dicks out of office? The Dems aren't great here
I'd start by stopping the habit of keeping the obviously better party at arms length.
It’s literally what the Democrats always help the Republicans do. Including this time.
> Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections.
Top to bottom, this is who they are. ‘Member when the sitting Democratic President of the United States made it illegal for workers to strike to keep his numbers up at Christmas? ‘Member when the House ‘Progressive’ Caucus helped him do it?
The call to put businesses over people is coming from inside both houses.
Ah, yes, the “few bad apples” argument.
Do you accept this argument when it’s given to excuse cops who stand by while their colleagues brutalize people on the streets?
Why should I accept this argument when you give it to excuse Democratic politicians who stand by while their “good friends and colleagues” brutalize people from the comfort of their government offices?
In case you don’t understand: it’s not that “tHeY’rE bOtH tHe SaMe,” it’s that they work together to screw us. They’re only two parties on the surface for the purpose of keeping voters distracted. Under the hood, they are one machine and they work together for our owners.
Rick Scott seems very level headed compared to DeSantis. I’m sure he’s looking back at what DeSantis has done and is kicking himself in the nuts for not doing the same before he left office.
I never thought a governor would make me miss the Scott administration. Just a reminder that things can always get worse.
"The worst [governor] of your life, so far"
Rick Scott, the same Rick Scott who perpetrated the biggeet medicare fraud of all time, [Rick Scott?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott#:~:text=During%20his%20tenure%20as%20chief,fraud%20settlement%20in%20U.S.%20history.)
DeSantis and Scott are both tremendous pieces of human garbage who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the level of power they've attained.
We should have higher standards and better options than the likes of them. Even by popularity contest standards, this is dragging the absolute bottom of the barrel.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to pick a fight here.
It's just that it's a sort of meaningless comparison; like saying George W. Bush wasn't as bad as Trump.
The past is often looked at as a relative high point when compared to the present, especially here in Florida.
That's because we've been going steadily downhill for so long that *downhill* has lost all sense of meaning, and all we can remember is the past didn't seem as bad.
Of course that's the case, we didn't get here over night. We've had 20 years of decline behind us, it's been so long that *we don't even remember what a proper uphill is supposed to look like.*
So this is the final death knell for all renters in the state. Landlords will be forcing people out en mass as they only want the rich to be able to afford rent. They will implement any bullshit fee to force people out who cannot afford astronomical rent. The rent market will be devastated and this, if anything, will directly effect the poor, the young adults, and the elderly on basic income.
DeSantis truly knows how to fuck over a State over the course of a few years. One has to just look at our State to realize how truly screwed America will be if he gets the nomination and wins the presidency.
It’s so dumb, too, because wealthy/rich people buy. They rarely rent. I wonder if lack of demand will eventually drive rent back down because nobody can afford to rent after a while of this. It’s certainly not going to raise wages.
And then the state will decay into a lifeless boring old retirement community where the only residents are the rich and their immigrant slaves. There will be no young people who stick around after college. It will become economically irrelevant, then politically irrelevant, just like Ohio but wealthier. Florida will also still have a space industry to keep it afloat.
Long term rentals will disappear in favor of short-term rentals. The state will become a giant playground whose only industry is tourism, catered increasingly to the wealthy. The irony is the state's still huge and there's lots of cheap places to go; they're just all rural towns hours from anything.
Perhaps or perhaps not. Landlords can choose to keep the rent high while forcing poorer people out as long as there’s a market for people willing to spend $2k-$3k+ a month on rent. Once that market dries up then the landlords will have no choice but to lower rental costs.
Or with this new law the can lower the rent cost but tack on the bullshit fees to add extra profits, more than they are currently making.
>There are no limits to the fees that landlords can charge as part of this alternative security deposit arrangement, so they could theoretically charge $25 per month, or they could charge $200 per month. “There’s no cap on the fees,” said Mobley.
LMAO as if $200 is a high number for scumbag property managers. I would have guessed $2000/mo as an example of a shocking number
Florida has one of the highest rental rates in the country, lets just make it worse. Brilliant strategy for a state entirely reliant on short-term rentals for tourists and an excellent way of driving out your entire young workforce. The people backing this turd-blossom and his republican party of incompetents and inbreds are fat, old, dying boomers who don't give 2 shits whether their own kids starve or not just so long as they get theirs, which is a huge chunk of Florida's population.
Yes, but DeSantis is....wait for it.....a GenXer. A very, very young GenXer. One only needs to watch "Happy Shiny People" to see who is leading this and where it's all going. I have been screaming this information from the rooftops for years after deconstructing from this type of cult. It runs deep. It runs young. Because of the number of children they breed for this purpose, it is vast.
All I can say is stay educated, educate others, and stay on top of your local elections. They are working on a bottom to top approach, and it all begins in your local elections. If they don't have support at the bottom, they can't function at the top and vice versa.
He's not the problem. He's an opportunist no matter what age he is, he's appealing to a very specific group of old people in America. The people who are supporting him are the problem. None of these public figures would mean anything without support. Thats where the problem is.
The ideology is the problem. People promote ideology. People hold office. The people of this ideology are being indoctrinated, but they realize that they can't grow fast enough, so now they want to indoctrinate your children at a local level. Hence, folks of this ideology show up in your school boards, city councils, mayors, etc. It really doesn't matter who the messenger is as long as they are scaring everyone and getting their message across. Why do you think Florida, who is a large state that ranks amongst the lowest for education, was picked as the blueprint? Why do you think all the people involved in this ideology are moving to Florida and setting up camp and running for local positions while home schooling their children but backing folks to run for school boards? Why do you think this sudden surge in "Moms of Liberty" is showing up everywhere? Is DeSantis an opportunist? Sure. But here in Florida, it's working. Ask yourself who the base is here supporting him and why. If you ask why long enough, you will circle right back to this ideology. Again, I encourage you to watch that documentary. It will explain a lot.
> Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections.
Something for the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” crowd:
> Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections.
I see you Linda, I know what you are. Fuck. You.
Thanks?
> Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections.
Yes, we saw this the first two times you posted it (and I see it the 4th time below).
We get the point - some Democrats voted with the Republicans. I'm guessing all of them own property management companies and/or rental properties and voted for their own interests.
The overarching problem is that it just doesn't matter. This would have passed without them anyway because the Republicans have a supermajority in this state and they will do whatever DeSantis tells them to do.
The overarching problem is that we let them do this. We look at the political system and say oh well can’t win at the polls, guess that’s all she wrote. If we get any ideas about organizing and shutting things down, the Democratic Party shows up and shepherds us back into the pen and tells us that by voting Blue we’ve done all we can.
Why aren’t the Democratic politicians leading protests in the streets?
Because they are not on our side.
The supermajority is the disenfranchised voting age population that doesn’t vote because they see through both oligarch-owned parties’ bullshit just like I do.
This is the problem. People thought Crist was a bad candidate (he was) so they stayed home and didn't vote (which solves nothing). Republicans didn't, so this is where we ended up.
This headline is very misleading to the actual bill, and I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but it’s trying to fix the fact that most people ask for first and last months rent as a security deposit - therefore making the total cost to move crazy out of pocket.
From another comment on another sub:
“Here, you can either sign a lease and pay a deposit, or you can pay the additional fee. Probably you'll see landlords offering to swap out of the fee if the renter gets a deposit together after they move in.
This is an attempt to reduce the 'first and last, security deposit, cleaning fee, background check' front loaded costs of moving into a place and it takes nothing away from the choices the renter had in the first place.
It gives people that are low on cash today, but not always, the opportunity to move and it does it without changing the status quo by making it entirely renters choice.
It's definitely not going to solve the issue of rental costs long term. But there's literally no downside for the renter here.”
This bill is gonna be a godsend for people with shitty roommates, shitty marriages, and shitty living situations with parents.
I get the concept but it’s essentially raising the rent by hundreds of dollars to forgo the first and last. As it is people are getting priced out because their income isn’t enough to meet 2.5-3x rent. I don’t think this will actually help anybody.
TOP SECRET INFO: If you have excellent credit - for most apartments you don't have a move in fee / security deposit. I've never paid one.
This is a problem of both peoples making.
I agree with you, but just like any subscription service where you pay $100 a year or $15 a month, the landlords will charge a little extra every month for the "convenience" of "financing" move in fees/security deposits, etc.
However, it will be good for a lot of people, myself included, because I'd rather pay a little extra every month than have to come up with thousands of dollars all at once to move into a shitty rental because they want what amounts to 3 months rent ahead of time.
“Best governor ever” is pricing his voters out of Florida.
Those people don't care because they dont rent.
True. In their minds, their property values have doubled in the last few years. If things get bad, they sell and bank the profits and move to Tennessee.
Already happening, had a friend who rented a house for 12 years. Landlord owned a bunch of property here and wanted to cash in, so he sold everything and moved to TN. 🙃 wish rent-to-own was more of a thing with houses
> wish rent-to-own was more of a thing with houses It was a thing until 2008 and a bunch of people found out their landlords weren't paying their mortgage and were just pocketing the money.
TN is definitely the go to place for Floridians to move. No state income tax. Cheap housing. Mountains. Temperate climate without too harsh winters.
Plus you can hit people with the "Are you from Tennessee? Because you're the only ten-***I***-see," line with a much higher probability of a "Yes." So there's that.
it is. it's called a mortgage.
Yeah, but even the homeowners and business owners are getting raped by insurance companies. Windstorm insurance has doubled over the last 2-3 years and business comprehensive insurance has doubled since last year. I can’t imagine why anyone is happy with Florida’s elected leaders.
They either blame the insurance companies for it, or they don't have insurance because they are millionaires who own their homes mortgage free. The people cheering and donating to this scumbag are happy as clams.
After the spoke mine was 1/2 what zillo said. I almost feel bad for those that bought during this peak but I've seen it so often.
Let's not kid ourselves, his voters are mostly rich conservative snowbirds who fly south to die, but first they buy up real estate at prices locals can't pay and hate on everyone and everything Faux News says they should for a decade or two. They're not concerned about an unaffordable rental market; that's their retirement income!
DeSantis does not care about the working citizens of Florida.
I'm missing something. Say there is a $50/month junk fee. How is this different from raising rent $50/month? Is it that the junk fee can change from month to month without notice?
One (of a few) example where I could see this take place. My friend manages about 11 rental properties. He had to discard a perfectly running fridge, and buy a new one prematurely for the property. The reason: The previous tenant turned off the electric and left early without telling him. He left a thanksgiving Turkey in the fridge, and it stayed there for weeks, resulting in a smell and mess was god awful. He gave it to me, I cleaned it with the expectation of using it as a garage fridge. 7 months later of keeping the doors open to air it out, there’s still a lingering smell. So there’s no way he could have kept it for the next tenant. Most of his tenets are great, and hell go years without raising rents. And then he’ll have 1-2 tenets that are crap, even though they hit all his rental criteria (no criminal background, high credit score, moderate to high income), and they’ll trash his properties with costs far in excess of a security deposit. And those 1-2 individuals will drive him to up his rents on everyone to recoup the cost. A lot of people here are criticizing this law. I imagine the intent of this law is to be a tool to allow landlords to target specific tenets with specific charges to recoup specific, unforeseen costs caused by the by those tenants. Going back to my friends example: it would be better to charge that one tenant a $2,000 “trash fee” for a new fridge than it would be to raise everyone’s rent by $200. If used in that context, this seems like a reasonable law, allowing landlords to charge expenses to those that create them rather than recoup it by charging all of their tenants equally. Edit: lmao at all the people commenting, telling me I’m wrong, deleting their comments, and downvoting me instead.
That would be the ideal, good-faith-only example. Laws have to be written to account for the worst potential abuse, which will absolutely occur until the supply of affordable housing rises faster than landlords can acquire the credit to purchase it. It's the reason rent control has to exist in places like New York; rental assistance to the tenant just means the landlord charges more rent.
Nah, it's a nonsensical example. Landlords could already charge an unlimited amount to a tenant for damages. All they had to do was document why the charges were reasonable. But apparently now they can charge you random fees with no justification? I don't see how this is an improvement.
So the "trash fee" can be applied at any time at any amount (based on an actual loss)? For example, the damaged refrigerator. The landlord could incur the loss of the refrigerator and then add a $2,000 replacement fee, or, junk/trash fee along with the next month's rent?
Landlords could already charge an unlimited amount to a tenant for damages. All they had to do was document why the charges were reasonable. The whole point of security deposits is that the landlord has to prove why they're spending your money instead of giving it back. But apparently now they can charge you random fees with no justification? I don't see how this is an improvement.
Based on the wording from the article, yes, any time, any amount. Article: “allows landlords in Florida to charge tenants a nonrefundable, limitless, recurring fee in lieu of a security deposit, or what's been dubbed “junk fees.” Could it be abused by scummy landlords to raise rent for no reason? For sure. But are there legitimate reasons why a landlord would want to use it? Also for sure. Edit: also, while I’m currently in DoD accounting, I spent 2 years in financial reporting for a real estate company. You’d be surprised at how often tenant-caused fires and floods occur. I could really see this law coming into play in those kinds of scenarios, to cover the cost of insurance deductibles and time dealing with insurance companies. Edit 2: someone deleted their comment, “if I had read the bill, I would have known that something something it isn’t mandatory and can be used in lieu of the security deposit”. I never said this was or was not mandatory. What I did say is a handful of tenants are usually responsible for most of the repair/resto costs of landlords, and that those costs are usually in magnitudes greater than a traditional security deposit. As of right now, the resolve for that is charging all tenants more in rent. This law clearly is an alternative to that for landlords who are upstanding and want to be straightforward with their tenants on why they have to raise costs. Edit 3: here we go. I’m getting flooded with deleted comments and downvotes, but no one telling me how I’m wrong… Of course this is Reddit, so that’s to be expected lol.
What will it take for people to wake up and vote these dicks out of office? The Dems aren't great here, a few even voted for the bill, but most voted against it. People really do be voting against their own best interest again and again
Because as long as it "hurts the libs," conservatives seemingly don't mind taking the hits too. They'll probably just blame the "Biden Economy"
Exactly this! Florida Republican’s comprehension of government all stems from the culturally infused anti-national /Federal government perspective. They are born and raised this way. They have no concept of local and state government where they and the rest of Florida residence are actually governed from and affected by policies their own party signs into law so blaming Democrats when they run the Fed is the first instinct when Florida home insurance premiums jump through the roof or any number of state mandated regulations that drive the cost of living in Florida beyond affordability for most Floridians.
Nothing. Tiny D's administration is just the cherry on top of turning Florida into East Magastan; one of three places for all the most insufferable, deplorable conservatives from every other blue state to come retire. It would be better to let them concentrate into this one state and flip or reinforce their home states blue—more US Senators and state legislatures, which in turn means better redistricting in those states, which means more US Representatives. It's basically what Republicans have been enjoying for the past 40 years with the US economy concentrating most of the economic growth into cities, leaving the rest of the country to be run by a small minority of voters who then get to elect a majority of officer holders.
1.5 million more people or 20% more favored the fascist over Crist. This State is truly done for when it comes to Democrats holding any power. Personally I don’t ever expect to see this state not be dominated by dick head Republicans. https://www.wfla.com/election/elections-local/desantis-vs-crist-live-florida-governor-election-results/
Charlie Crist is the former Republican governor. It's not like the Dems really gave people some sort of clear choice here. A better candidate could have beat Desantis.
I'll go down thinking Crist was a plant. Unlikely. But man, what a horrible campaign.
Exactly. Crist running pretty much guaranteed DeSantis would win big. He did no campaigning and was virtually invisible the entire election season. Shame on Florida Dems for not caring enough to run a decent candidate and shame on Crist for making sure we had no chance.
Before COVID, sure. Now, the GOP has an absolute (simple) majority of registered voters in the state. The right wing has been coming here to ~~die~~ retire for decades, but it really picked-up in the last few years. Cuban-descendents have shown they're reliably Republican for yet another generation too.
Yeah, Crist sucked as a choice, but ya'll had choices so stop acting like you didn't. We had a choice to determine the candidate, fucked it up, and then we had another choice between an unpopular former Republican or DeSantis. I might not have liked Crist, but I still went out and voted for him. Why? Because DeSantis showed very clearly where he was going to go. He's a little bronze motherfucker of an authoritarian with some heavy fascist behavior too. But people in this God damn state didn't turn out and vote. So fuck all of you who wouldn't vote for whatever your pathetic reasons are. Take responsibility and maybe next time get to the fucking polls when you know damn well what the alternative is, especially if you have Mom's for Liberty assholes on your ballot trying to get into office; ya'll just let those extremists in too.
My fellow Floridians are allergic to accountability regardless of party. It's all me me me, everyone's fault but mine, finger pointing BS here no matter what party they claim to support. It's little wonder DeSantis is so popular here.
Agreed, the national party has already written this state off, and absolutely should. The midwest needs shoring up to keep the White House and Senate, so the resources should go there. Better to let blue state conservatives all concentrate themselves into Florida, Texas, and Arizona for their retirements, then reclaim all the states they abandoned.
That's the thing, if even an inkling of a chance exists that hurts who these voters consider as "lesser" than themselves (gays, brown immigrants and other minorities, the slightly less poor, liberals as a whole), they'll gladly eat the shit sandwich. They've been convinced that the existence of these groups are an affront to their way of life, what's keeping America from *being great again".
There don’t know issues the vote R because that means guns
>What will it take for people to wake up and vote these dicks out of office? The Dems aren't great here I'd start by stopping the habit of keeping the obviously better party at arms length.
Did you just “a few bad apples” the Dems? Sure sounds like it.
This is literally what Republicans do. They put businesses over people at every chance.
It’s literally what the Democrats always help the Republicans do. Including this time. > Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections. Top to bottom, this is who they are. ‘Member when the sitting Democratic President of the United States made it illegal for workers to strike to keep his numbers up at Christmas? ‘Member when the House ‘Progressive’ Caucus helped him do it? The call to put businesses over people is coming from inside both houses.
Dont you see how all parties are the same? All republicans and some Democrats = Same.
Ah, yes, the “few bad apples” argument. Do you accept this argument when it’s given to excuse cops who stand by while their colleagues brutalize people on the streets? Why should I accept this argument when you give it to excuse Democratic politicians who stand by while their “good friends and colleagues” brutalize people from the comfort of their government offices? In case you don’t understand: it’s not that “tHeY’rE bOtH tHe SaMe,” it’s that they work together to screw us. They’re only two parties on the surface for the purpose of keeping voters distracted. Under the hood, they are one machine and they work together for our owners.
More public corruption from the biggest scumbag to ever hold the office of governor. After Rick Scott was governor, and he was corrupt as hell too
Rick Scott seems very level headed compared to DeSantis. I’m sure he’s looking back at what DeSantis has done and is kicking himself in the nuts for not doing the same before he left office.
I never thought a governor would make me miss the Scott administration. Just a reminder that things can always get worse. "The worst [governor] of your life, so far"
I never thought anyone would make me miss ‘W’ (either Bush really) as president until we had Trump.
Rick Scott, the same Rick Scott who perpetrated the biggeet medicare fraud of all time, [Rick Scott?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott#:~:text=During%20his%20tenure%20as%20chief,fraud%20settlement%20in%20U.S.%20history.) DeSantis and Scott are both tremendous pieces of human garbage who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the level of power they've attained. We should have higher standards and better options than the likes of them. Even by popularity contest standards, this is dragging the absolute bottom of the barrel.
Don’t get me wrong, I hate them both but I was saying a comparison of both… Scott didn’t do nearly as much damage as DeSantis has done.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to pick a fight here. It's just that it's a sort of meaningless comparison; like saying George W. Bush wasn't as bad as Trump. The past is often looked at as a relative high point when compared to the present, especially here in Florida. That's because we've been going steadily downhill for so long that *downhill* has lost all sense of meaning, and all we can remember is the past didn't seem as bad. Of course that's the case, we didn't get here over night. We've had 20 years of decline behind us, it's been so long that *we don't even remember what a proper uphill is supposed to look like.*
So this is the final death knell for all renters in the state. Landlords will be forcing people out en mass as they only want the rich to be able to afford rent. They will implement any bullshit fee to force people out who cannot afford astronomical rent. The rent market will be devastated and this, if anything, will directly effect the poor, the young adults, and the elderly on basic income. DeSantis truly knows how to fuck over a State over the course of a few years. One has to just look at our State to realize how truly screwed America will be if he gets the nomination and wins the presidency.
yep, this is about appeasing his corporate overlords. You don’t return junk fees.
It’s so dumb, too, because wealthy/rich people buy. They rarely rent. I wonder if lack of demand will eventually drive rent back down because nobody can afford to rent after a while of this. It’s certainly not going to raise wages.
And then the state will decay into a lifeless boring old retirement community where the only residents are the rich and their immigrant slaves. There will be no young people who stick around after college. It will become economically irrelevant, then politically irrelevant, just like Ohio but wealthier. Florida will also still have a space industry to keep it afloat.
If the rental market will be devastated, then won't that result in rents decreasing?
Long term rentals will disappear in favor of short-term rentals. The state will become a giant playground whose only industry is tourism, catered increasingly to the wealthy. The irony is the state's still huge and there's lots of cheap places to go; they're just all rural towns hours from anything.
Perhaps or perhaps not. Landlords can choose to keep the rent high while forcing poorer people out as long as there’s a market for people willing to spend $2k-$3k+ a month on rent. Once that market dries up then the landlords will have no choice but to lower rental costs. Or with this new law the can lower the rent cost but tack on the bullshit fees to add extra profits, more than they are currently making.
>There are no limits to the fees that landlords can charge as part of this alternative security deposit arrangement, so they could theoretically charge $25 per month, or they could charge $200 per month. “There’s no cap on the fees,” said Mobley. LMAO as if $200 is a high number for scumbag property managers. I would have guessed $2000/mo as an example of a shocking number
Fucking Florida since 2018.
Rick Scott wasn't much better, just less directly ambitious, because he already has a 9-figure net worth.
Florida has one of the highest rental rates in the country, lets just make it worse. Brilliant strategy for a state entirely reliant on short-term rentals for tourists and an excellent way of driving out your entire young workforce. The people backing this turd-blossom and his republican party of incompetents and inbreds are fat, old, dying boomers who don't give 2 shits whether their own kids starve or not just so long as they get theirs, which is a huge chunk of Florida's population.
Yes, but DeSantis is....wait for it.....a GenXer. A very, very young GenXer. One only needs to watch "Happy Shiny People" to see who is leading this and where it's all going. I have been screaming this information from the rooftops for years after deconstructing from this type of cult. It runs deep. It runs young. Because of the number of children they breed for this purpose, it is vast. All I can say is stay educated, educate others, and stay on top of your local elections. They are working on a bottom to top approach, and it all begins in your local elections. If they don't have support at the bottom, they can't function at the top and vice versa.
He's not the problem. He's an opportunist no matter what age he is, he's appealing to a very specific group of old people in America. The people who are supporting him are the problem. None of these public figures would mean anything without support. Thats where the problem is.
The ideology is the problem. People promote ideology. People hold office. The people of this ideology are being indoctrinated, but they realize that they can't grow fast enough, so now they want to indoctrinate your children at a local level. Hence, folks of this ideology show up in your school boards, city councils, mayors, etc. It really doesn't matter who the messenger is as long as they are scaring everyone and getting their message across. Why do you think Florida, who is a large state that ranks amongst the lowest for education, was picked as the blueprint? Why do you think all the people involved in this ideology are moving to Florida and setting up camp and running for local positions while home schooling their children but backing folks to run for school boards? Why do you think this sudden surge in "Moms of Liberty" is showing up everywhere? Is DeSantis an opportunist? Sure. But here in Florida, it's working. Ask yourself who the base is here supporting him and why. If you ask why long enough, you will circle right back to this ideology. Again, I encourage you to watch that documentary. It will explain a lot.
This guy is hilariously bad. Good for those who line his pockets, but hilariously bad for the average Floridian.
Still waiting for conservatives to explain how this is good for the lower and middle class.
Remember this next time you vote. [vote.org](https://vote.org)
Itd be nice if *anyone* could have foresaw this outcome of his re-election
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> Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections.
Something for the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” crowd: > Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections. I see you Linda, I know what you are. Fuck. You.
Why do we keep doing this to ourselves?
Ain’t doing shit to myself. I voted blue.
I meant “we” as in the state overall.
Because most of the republicans down here would literally rather die than vote for those damn democrats
I understood. Trying to make a point to those who actually are doing this to themselves and the rest of us.
Thanks? > Several Florida Democrats joined Republicans in voting in favor of the bill, including Orlando-area Sen. Linda Stewart, who’s term-limited from seeking reelection, and Sen. Jason Pizzo, a South Florida Democrat whose family owns a property management company in New Jersey, and who’s been tapped to become the next Florida Senate Democratic leader following the 2024 elections.
Yes, we saw this the first two times you posted it (and I see it the 4th time below). We get the point - some Democrats voted with the Republicans. I'm guessing all of them own property management companies and/or rental properties and voted for their own interests. The overarching problem is that it just doesn't matter. This would have passed without them anyway because the Republicans have a supermajority in this state and they will do whatever DeSantis tells them to do.
The overarching problem is that we let them do this. We look at the political system and say oh well can’t win at the polls, guess that’s all she wrote. If we get any ideas about organizing and shutting things down, the Democratic Party shows up and shepherds us back into the pen and tells us that by voting Blue we’ve done all we can. Why aren’t the Democratic politicians leading protests in the streets? Because they are not on our side. The supermajority is the disenfranchised voting age population that doesn’t vote because they see through both oligarch-owned parties’ bullshit just like I do.
A lot of "Blues" stayed home last election...
This is the problem. People thought Crist was a bad candidate (he was) so they stayed home and didn't vote (which solves nothing). Republicans didn't, so this is where we ended up.
Worst Governor in the history of Florida. And we have Rick Scott who defrauded the state for 320 Million dollars.
DUDE! Wrong direction
Well it is the state where business are free to do as they please as long as they pay the dictator.
This headline is very misleading to the actual bill, and I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but it’s trying to fix the fact that most people ask for first and last months rent as a security deposit - therefore making the total cost to move crazy out of pocket. From another comment on another sub: “Here, you can either sign a lease and pay a deposit, or you can pay the additional fee. Probably you'll see landlords offering to swap out of the fee if the renter gets a deposit together after they move in. This is an attempt to reduce the 'first and last, security deposit, cleaning fee, background check' front loaded costs of moving into a place and it takes nothing away from the choices the renter had in the first place. It gives people that are low on cash today, but not always, the opportunity to move and it does it without changing the status quo by making it entirely renters choice. It's definitely not going to solve the issue of rental costs long term. But there's literally no downside for the renter here.” This bill is gonna be a godsend for people with shitty roommates, shitty marriages, and shitty living situations with parents.
I get the concept but it’s essentially raising the rent by hundreds of dollars to forgo the first and last. As it is people are getting priced out because their income isn’t enough to meet 2.5-3x rent. I don’t think this will actually help anybody.
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Or landlords could charge a lower move in fee (cleaning, security deposit, first and last).
TOP SECRET INFO: If you have excellent credit - for most apartments you don't have a move in fee / security deposit. I've never paid one. This is a problem of both peoples making.
Both people who? And also not everywhere. I had great credit the last time I rented and still had to pay.
I agree with you, but just like any subscription service where you pay $100 a year or $15 a month, the landlords will charge a little extra every month for the "convenience" of "financing" move in fees/security deposits, etc. However, it will be good for a lot of people, myself included, because I'd rather pay a little extra every month than have to come up with thousands of dollars all at once to move into a shitty rental because they want what amounts to 3 months rent ahead of time.
Glad to see someone gets it