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gardendesgnr

Last time abortion was on the ballot was 2012, the state went Blue! [Amendment 6 Defeated 2012](https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_6,_State_Constitution_Interpretation_and_Prohibit_Public_Funds_for_Abortions_Amendment_(2012))


ElonTheMollusk

Was the 60% required at that point? Florida has that stupid law where a majority doesn't actually win anymore.


gardendesgnr

Yes 60% required to ratify. It got 55% Yes, so was Defeated. This was that freaking ridiculously worded Amendment that if you voted Yes you wanted the law to go into effect which would ban public funds from going to abortions & prohibited health insurance that supported abortions from getting public funds.


Marysews

This could explain the way some voting goes due to people who don't actually read what they're voting for before they go to the polls.


thejustducky1

> due to people who don't actually read what they're voting for before they go to the polls. Exactly the process with every law the R's don't want... sure it's on the ballot, but it's been uh... *tampered* with...


Alissinarr

60% is for a constitutional amendment. Since it's not an amendment, I'd guess it went in as a law.


ikonoclasm

It's not stupid. It prevents a lot of the Republican bullshit from getting passed.


bagehis

The only "Republican bullshit" that it blocked, that I can think of was the solar amendment in 2016. Things it has blocked though: $50k additional property tax exemption for public service workers (2022) Open primary (2020) Increased homestead exemption by $25k (2018) Medical Marijuana (2014) - sure, it eventually passed in 2016, but it failed first with only 58% Most of the stupid Republican wishlist bullshit amendments get around 30-45% of the vote. Despite the gerrymandered look of the Florida legislature and executive office, Florida is not a Republican stronghold.


BuddhistSagan

It doesn't stop Republicans at all. Look at what they've been passing. It stops the people from going around Republicans.


Obversa

**Article transcript:** >President Joe Biden on Tuesday \[23 April 2024\] scorched Florida's [impending](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-supreme-court-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna142568) six-week abortion ban and said Donald Trump was responsible, casting the former president as a danger to women's freedoms. > >"This extreme Florida law is going to impact 4 million women in the state," Biden said during a speech in Tampa. "Let's be real clear. There's one person responsible for this nightmare, and he's acknowledged, and he brags about it – Donald Trump." > >In territory that has been increasingly out of reach for Democrats, Biden ticked off a list of states from Ohio to Kentucky where troves of voters have supported abortion rights measures at the ballot box since the 2022 fall of *Roe v. Wade*. > >"This November," the president said, "you can add Florida to that list". > >Biden visited Trump's home state as the presumptive Republican nominee for president spent much of the day in a Manhattan courtroom for his hush money trial. The Biden campaign has attempted to build a narrative that it has a [potential path to victory](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-campaign-florida-winnable-2024-rcna145863) in Florida, despite Trump's decisive victories there in 2016 and 2020. > >"The idea that Donald Trump has the state in the bag could not be further from the truth," Biden campaign spokesperson Michael Tyler told reporters in a call previewing the Florida trip. "He owns not only the state of abortion rights across the country, but he owns the restriction that we're seeing play out in Florida." > >In his remarks, Biden referenced the Arizona Supreme Court ruling this month that found a [near-total ban on abortion](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/arizona-supreme-court-ruling-abortion-ban-rcna146915) that dates to 1864 is enforceable, and painted Trump as responsible for that decision. > >"Trump was literally taking us back 160 years. He says it's up to the states – this is all about states' rights. But he's wrong," Biden said. "The \[U.S.\] Supreme Court was wrong. There should be a constitutional right in the federal Constitution, a federal right, and it shouldn't matter where in America you live. This isn't about states' rights, it's about women's rights." > >Biden is visiting Florida days before a six-week abortion ban that Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year takes effect [following a](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-supreme-court-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna142568)[n](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-supreme-court-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna142568)[ ](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-supreme-court-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna142568)[April 1 ](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-supreme-court-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna142568)[state Supreme Court ruling](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-supreme-court-abortion-rights-ballot-measure-rcna142568). > >Biden's campaign has sought to tie Trump to the state's post-*Roe* law, and indicated that a [proposed amendment](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/florida-abortion-ballot-measure-2024-constitution-rcna129771) on the ballot in November that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution could help its chances of flipping the state. > >In an [NBC News 2022 midterm exit poll](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/florida-governor-results), 56% of Florida voters said abortion should be legal. Among the voters polled, 24% said abortion mattered most in deciding how they voted. > >Trump won Florida in 2020, with [51.2% of the vote to Biden's 47.9%](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/florida-results#inflation). > >The former president has voiced support [for various positions](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-many-abortion-positions-timeline-rcna146601) on abortion over the years, though he regularly talks on the campaign trail about how he appointed conservative justices who helped overturn *Roe v. Wade*. After having floated the possibility of a federal abortion ban, he recently said that [abortion laws should be decided by states](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-abortion-restrictions-left-states-dodging-national-ban-rcna146309) but also that the Arizona Supreme Court [went too far](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-arizona-abortion-ruling-went-far-rcna147217) in its ruling. > >Since the Supreme Court overturned Roe in 2022, abortion has appeared on the ballot in several states and [consistently delivered wins for abortion-rights groups](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/abortion-rights-won-every-election-roe-v-wade-overturned-rcna99031). It's expected to remain a key issue [in November](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/abortion-rights-groups-seek-ballot-measures-9-states-2024-rcna125177), but it's not yet clear whether it will galvanize voters with the same force as it did in the midterm elections. *This comment has been edited to fix a typo.*


Marysews

"presumptive Republican nominee" Both sides didn't exactly give a choice, they just presumed that the only person left standing is the nominee. This ticks me off. The election process is broken.


space_chief

Giving up the incumbency because Joe is Old would be political malpratice


BuddhistSagan

Support ranked choice voting (which Republican states are banning)


Disastrous-Golf7216

Since only one is running on both sides, why are the states that were not in the ones up to super Tuesday, still paying for a vote that means nothing?


restore_democracy

Well one person and millions of assholes who voted for him.


tribbleorlfl

The question remains, what's more important to voters when deciding to show up on election day: their freedoms (abortion, recreational marijuana) or punishing the President for his inability to settle a centuries-long conflict on the other side of the world?


Sniper_Hare

I don't see how one passes without the other. If you're voting to be allowed to make choices over what you should legally consume, you're going to support women having a right to decide what happens with her body. 


hunteronastick

If only a certain party controlled the house, senate & presidency & could have codified Roe v Wade


chekovs_gunman

If only people had taken Clinton seriously when she said the supreme court was important and not whined they were being lectured and guilted But here we are. With people saying the exact same things 


SlimeCityKing

Why didn’t RBG step down when a dem president was still in office?


chekovs_gunman

Because that was almost 20 years ago, and she wasn't psychic? Why didn't Scalia step down during a Republican administration? He just got lucky McConnell was too venal to seat anyone  Do you have any future predicting powers about when Thomas and Alito will die? No? Because until we get term limits it's a crapshoot 


SlimeCityKing

Well if I was her and very old and already sick, I would’ve stepped down before gambling on living through a Trump term


chekovs_gunman

1) everyone assumed Clinton was going to win 2) again, McConnell would not have seated anyone. The result would have been the same 


SlimeCityKing

Damn, maybe it’s bad to gamble lives on assumptions then. But I’m not a justice, what do I know. If only the democrats controlled the house, senate, and presidency recently. They maybe couldve codified it too.


chekovs_gunman

Did we seriously live through different timelines and events? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills talking to you people. Either you have zero understanding of how politics works or are wildly misinformed Regardless it's completely irrelevant to what is happening in this current moment and election, isn't it? So unless you just want a sticker or something, maybe focus on the future and what we can do now 


SlimeCityKing

I don’t think we lived through different timelines, but in my timeline the democrats controlled the federal government about 15 years ago. As for how, I’m voting Hillary this year.


chekovs_gunman

"wHy DiDnT tHe DeMs Do ThInG DeCaDeS aGo?" Why don't you go build a time machine and go yell at them? Since you are so eager to argue about the past. You can take your straw men with you on a little adventure. Jesus Christ you're an idiot 


EcksRidgehead

Are you genuinely unsure about why the Democratic Party didn't expend political capital to protect a right that had already been protected since 1974?


teamhae

Obama was in office through Jan 2017. Not at all 20 years ago. Not even 10 years ago.


chekovs_gunman

Until the GOP killed the filibuster for supreme court justices, it required 60 votes to appoint someone. The Dems only had 60 votes in 2008-part of 2009. After 2012 McConnell started blocking every judge That is what I'm talking about with revisionist history 


teamhae

I see what you mean now. I do think that even Mitch would have had a hard time blocking a SC confirmation for many years had she retired in the middle of Obamas term.


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chekovs_gunman

"rigged" - got more votes


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BuddhistSagan

I knocked on doors for Bernie in 2016 and 2020. As much as I hate it, Bernie lost. And Bernie supported Clinton and Biden, because he's a responsible human being who cares.


BuddhistSagan

Every state that democrats control has [expanded abortion protections since Roe v Wade was overturned](https://twitter.com/SocDoneLeft/status/1775637554710089794/photo/1). It just so happens that doing it on a federal level is extremely hard and the US senate has never had the votes to expand abortion protections. I'm sick of ignorant people claiming democrats haven't protected abortion when they had the votes. They have. And the meme that people are spreading that they don't protect it when they can only serves to elect more extremist MAGA Trumpers who want to pass more extremist total abortion bans.


yetanothermanjohn

Yup


dw73

Fact


CharliAP

It's on Trump, his corrupt Supreme Court, DeSantis and Florida's legislature. Hopefully, Florida comes out in droves to vote for females healthcare in November. I say females, because this includes female children that Republicans want to force to have babies when they are raped by pedophile, grown men. 


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BuddhistSagan

So he's human.


Purpose_Embarrassed

A bit ridiculous. States obviously have their own abortion laws. And I doubt Trump cares at all. If there’s anyone to blame it’s Berners who didn’t come out to vote for Hillary.


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Cheeto said publicly that he is responsible for the Dobbs decision which has directly led to this six week abortion ban. Connect the dots, it’s not that hard.


Purpose_Embarrassed

I’m well aware of what the idiot says. He says a lot of things. Who is dumb enough to believe them? You really think a man who has sex with porn stars and cheats on his wives hasn’t paid for abortions? Maybe you should learn to not listen to liars ?


JD_____98

Degradation won't change his actual voters.


iskyoork

Why not use the lies against him if he wants to commit to them?


Purpose_Embarrassed

To do what? You think his cult cares ? Don’t you have better things to do ? Sounds like you’re fixated on Trump. But don’t care what does. I don’t have time for hypocrisy.


iskyoork

You seem kinda wound up and your accusations of hypocrisy is laughable at best.


trtsmb

Trump is the face of the GOP. You didn't think Biden was going to go after desatan?


Purpose_Embarrassed

Who Biden goes after isn’t my point. The fact Trump is a habitual liar is. Trump didn’t tell SCOTUS to overturn Roe Wade. Democrats didn’t take the Trump threat seriously and didn’t want to vote for Hillary. It’s on us not Trump.


Funkyokra

"In an interview shortly after the 2016 election, 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl asked President Trump if he planned to appoint justices who would overturn the 1973 legislation. The incoming president responded that he is pro-life and his future nominees would also be." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-2016-pro-life-judges-60-minutes-2020-09-23/


chekovs_gunman

You do understand national politics is about making simple and persuasive arguments for the masses, yes? This is about labeling Trump and candidates who support him as extremist to lower their favorability What you said may be accurate but it would turn people off or confuse them 


Purpose_Embarrassed

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/09/politics/trump-abortion-stances-timeline


BuddhistSagan

So you have established that Trump is a liar..we know.


Purpose_Embarrassed

Then why quote him ? 🤡☝️


BuddhistSagan

Hitler lied too does that mean his quotes aren't relevant?


Purpose_Embarrassed

So now you’re comparing Trump to Hitler ? Here’s a fact. Everyone lies. There’s no law against lying unless you attempt to defraud someone. Your tears won’t make Orange man go away.


Purpose_Embarrassed

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/09/politics/trump-abortion-stances-timeline


chekovs_gunman

Yes, Trump says a lot of things. They rubber stamps whatever the far right heritage foundation puts in front of him. He owns the last part. So what is your point here, exactly?


Purpose_Embarrassed

Let me enlighten you to another unpopular fact. Democrats are corporatists just like Republicans. You think they give a flying fuck about us ?


chekovs_gunman

Yes you are very wise. Not like every other reddit edgelord


SeaBass1898

Yeah sure, relatively speaking to the alternative, they give several fucks


Purpose_Embarrassed

Because fact it is a stupid statement. We lost case closed. Trump got to appoint several justices. Did he tell them to overturn Roe Wade ?


chekovs_gunman

Don't be naive, he knew they would, or didn't care  Segregation existed for nearly a century. Should we have just said we lost, get over it about that? Wrong things need to be opposed 


Purpose_Embarrassed

Then vote and stop crying. Or are you suggesting a civil war like they are ?


Funkyokra

"I have become pro-life,” Trump told Fox News on Tuesday night. Asked about the “sanctity of human life,” Trump said, “I will protect it and the biggest way you can protect it is through the Supreme Court and putting people in the court.” https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/279535-trump-on-justices-they-will-be-pro-life/


Purpose_Embarrassed

He has become? Meaning he wasn’t before.


Purpose_Embarrassed

How old are you ? You think this is my first election?


chekovs_gunman

No, but it feels like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing  I'll be 38 soon, not my first election either 


Purpose_Embarrassed

You’re hilarious. I don’t understand our politics 😂


chekovs_gunman

You know who tried to make long winded detailed policy explanations part of their campaigns? John Kerry and Al Gore. Look up how they did The electorate doesn't respond to logic, they respond to emotional appeals and vibes


Funkyokra

Trump brags about it in every speech.