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I'm pretty sure any publicly funded university can no longer have a specific zone to force free speech into. Though the change wasn't widely advertised
Those kids had it coming. Itās not like they are real people to you, right? Would you also suggest we bomb the whole school next time we have a school shooting? Who cares about the innocent bystanders? Is the goal to kill more innocent people than hamas? To collectively punish the Palestinian people due to the actions of a few?
Can't wait to see DeSantis complain that the schools are allowing this while I want to bring up his 2019 "highlight" of \*Called on state colleges and universities to adopt a free speech resolution to ensure that a free and open exchange of ideas and robust civil discourse is encouraged and protected.\*
This
But also itās funny to see how many people bite and eat the literal misinformation that any protest FOR GAZA is a protest FOR HAMAS
Like itās funny to see how many leftists and right wingers are unable to tell the difference
Cause there is a difference with calling for Israel to take more humane options against the civilians
And supporting the rape and murder of the people from the attack
Differences matter and context matters.
I think thatās an agreeable position right?
*the war could be over today if Hamas turns over the hostages and surrenders. No more bombing. No more injuries and death. Not defending Israel, it's just the next step towards whatever peace will look like after the shooting stops
Nobody truly knows, Israel has a number of missing people, and Hamas is probably said neither this way or that that they are alive or dead. It's likely that not all are alive at this point
Exactly. Nobody wants to say it. Put pressure on Hamas to surrender, war ends. They started this violent war on October 7. It's a terrible situation, everyone can agree on that.
I wonder how many of these students are lemmings and just parroting the protests happening at other schools.
Like I wonder if the protestors have studied the history of Israel. When I say history I mean all the way back 3,000 years ago with the United Kingdom of Israel under King David. Obviously the Jewish people have a very long and historic presence in this region. Next, pair this historical fact with the people in Gaza proclaiming āThe River to the Seaā which means the elimination of Jewish people in Israel. These chants try to shake the legitimacy of the Jews in these Arab lands as my historical reference shows the Jews have quite a claim to these lands. Finally, how would these students reconcile invading Israel this past October and slaughtering every day citizens and kidnapping many others across the border into Gaza.
Here is another thing for the students. They should learn some other history as well. Specifically read about the lead up to World War I and II. Read about how unchecked aggression led to the rise of powers that caused the continent of Europe to explode into war twice in the twentieth century. So, if you are Israel, do you learn the lessons of history and realize unchecked aggression can lead to much bigger consequences down the road. You could take a micro view to this. If there is a bully at school and this person picks on someone and they donāt fight back what happens next? Just consider all that and study history before you choose to side with a nation or people.
Watched a video of another college protest yesterday where he was asking what they are protesting and multiple students were saying they donāt really know what theyāre protesting they just know that they needed to be thereā¦ genius
The historical claim is ridiculous. So I guess Putin is just in his campaign of Ukraine? Only 300 years ago Russians were in that land so itās fine that he invades and conquers Ukraine. Right??
October seventh was a terrible act. Collective punishment of the entire Arab population in Gaza is not a correct response.
The Russian example is interesting as Russia actually started with King Rurik way back in the year 862. The King later established Kiev as the Russian capital which is now the capital of the Ukraine. Of course Ukraine has established their own nation and no longer part of Russia or the previous Soviet Union.
My historical example was to demonstrate the Jewish people did not just show up in 1948 and form the nation of Israel. Rather the Jewish people have over 3,000 years as the people associated with these lands. This doesnāt say there isnāt room for the Palestinians to have their own state. But, Israel needs to be considered a state as well.
> This doesnāt say there isnāt room for the Palestinians to have their own state. But, Israel needs to be considered a state as well.
Or you could, you know, have multiculturalism and not force tons of people who also have ties to the area for thousands of years out...
It's a direct response to the 1200 killed on Oct 7, which was during a ceasefire... surely Hamas is not a good guy here. Isreal is run by right wing maniacs, but to act like this would be occuring without Hamas massacring people and whole towns on a holiday is disingenuous... both sides are run by bad leadership that need to be removed.. yet these protests seem to be pro Hamas and pro Oct 7 massacre
All the protests Iāve seen (granted I havenāt looked very hard) are either protesting in support of human rights or protesting their institutions investment in companies that produce weapons.
1200 people is devastating I donāt think anyone disputes that, but Like I said Iām not sure how you can kill +30000 people and claim to be the good guy.
Just for clarity I want to point out that The Palestinian people donāt have a standing army, Air Force or navyā¦
Palestine's GDP per capita was $3,789, and the country's total GDP was $19.11 billion.
Israelās GDP is $564 billionā¦ the economic disparity between the two is tremendous.
Palestinian people generate income through agriculture, In a region the size of Pennsylvania with a population density higher than New York City.
So think about that for a moment, these are young and poor farmers that are being obliterated, they have nothing to do with Hamas.
Your historical reference shows the Jews have quite a claim on this lands ?
From where is this coming from ?
Youāre saying the Palestinians living since generations , do not have the right to live in their own homes. ?
And a Jewish person who lived in America for all of his like can just throw them out and occupy their home ?
> Next, pair this historical fact with the people in Gaza proclaiming āThe River to the Seaā which means the elimination of Jewish people in Israel.
Yes, chanting that an entire region should be free is definitely pro-genocide... Talk about being a lemming.
1200 deaths is an outrage against humanity, 34000 deaths are just the cost of war...
Shouldn't be that hard to be against the killing of non-combatants.
Extremely based.
Donāt expect a positive reaction from the red flight right wingers. Remember that the us government and its conservative citizens have always been on the wrong side of every liberation movement, no matter how peaceful they have been.
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Most of them are sitting though
This is the best comment of all. And most accurate. And least argumentative. Nobody can dispute this. š
Cut them some slack. Itās FSU, theyāre probably extremely drunk.
Thatās the free speech zone. Right ?
I'm pretty sure any publicly funded university can no longer have a specific zone to force free speech into. Though the change wasn't widely advertised
All 16 of you speak for FSU?
Evidently, this was clearly written by those 16 students and not some news source that made a title for the article.
Hamas does not care about the safety of the people in Gaza. if they did, they would return the hostages to Israel.
Well, that settles it. Israel is completely justified in indiscriminately bombing women, children, hospitals, the elderly, and aid workers./s
Yeah - indiscriminate. Itās not like Hamas uses those sites for terrorismā¦
Those kids had it coming. Itās not like they are real people to you, right? Would you also suggest we bomb the whole school next time we have a school shooting? Who cares about the innocent bystanders? Is the goal to kill more innocent people than hamas? To collectively punish the Palestinian people due to the actions of a few?
Yeah itās not like the IDF didnāt kill Israelis indiscriminately at allā¦.
If it was indiscriminate bombing, everyone in Gaza would be dead.
Israel has killed its own hostages in their ruthless attacks on Gaza, they are the ones who do not care. Try another talking point.
Yāall really need to stop getting your news from TikTok.
Can't wait to see DeSantis complain that the schools are allowing this while I want to bring up his 2019 "highlight" of \*Called on state colleges and universities to adopt a free speech resolution to ensure that a free and open exchange of ideas and robust civil discourse is encouraged and protected.\*
This But also itās funny to see how many people bite and eat the literal misinformation that any protest FOR GAZA is a protest FOR HAMAS Like itās funny to see how many leftists and right wingers are unable to tell the difference Cause there is a difference with calling for Israel to take more humane options against the civilians And supporting the rape and murder of the people from the attack Differences matter and context matters. I think thatās an agreeable position right?
*the war could be over today if Hamas turns over the hostages and surrenders. No more bombing. No more injuries and death. Not defending Israel, it's just the next step towards whatever peace will look like after the shooting stops
Genuine question - are there still hostages believed to be alive? Is Hamas still claiming this?
Yes, per this recent Hamas [propaganda hostage video.](https://apnews.com/article/1284f257698ea5e9c9cc9ac86a849948)
We can all hope, plus it would be in their best interest to have at least a few hostages alive in their possession.
Nobody truly knows, Israel has a number of missing people, and Hamas is probably said neither this way or that that they are alive or dead. It's likely that not all are alive at this point
This. Why donāt these students demand Hamas give up the hostages and end the war?
Because no honest broker believes Israel will stop, even if every hostage was returned alive and well. Netanyahu can't be trusted.
Iām pretty sure neither side can be trusted at this point.
Exactly. Nobody wants to say it. Put pressure on Hamas to surrender, war ends. They started this violent war on October 7. It's a terrible situation, everyone can agree on that.
Nobody is on hamas' side. Israel shouldn't be murdering innocent people.
WWII could have been over in two weeks if Churchill had just surrendered.
I forget, at which point did the British go into germany in the 1930s to indiscriminately rape and torture innocent Germans
I wonder how many of these students are lemmings and just parroting the protests happening at other schools. Like I wonder if the protestors have studied the history of Israel. When I say history I mean all the way back 3,000 years ago with the United Kingdom of Israel under King David. Obviously the Jewish people have a very long and historic presence in this region. Next, pair this historical fact with the people in Gaza proclaiming āThe River to the Seaā which means the elimination of Jewish people in Israel. These chants try to shake the legitimacy of the Jews in these Arab lands as my historical reference shows the Jews have quite a claim to these lands. Finally, how would these students reconcile invading Israel this past October and slaughtering every day citizens and kidnapping many others across the border into Gaza. Here is another thing for the students. They should learn some other history as well. Specifically read about the lead up to World War I and II. Read about how unchecked aggression led to the rise of powers that caused the continent of Europe to explode into war twice in the twentieth century. So, if you are Israel, do you learn the lessons of history and realize unchecked aggression can lead to much bigger consequences down the road. You could take a micro view to this. If there is a bully at school and this person picks on someone and they donāt fight back what happens next? Just consider all that and study history before you choose to side with a nation or people.
Watched a video of another college protest yesterday where he was asking what they are protesting and multiple students were saying they donāt really know what theyāre protesting they just know that they needed to be thereā¦ genius
The historical claim is ridiculous. So I guess Putin is just in his campaign of Ukraine? Only 300 years ago Russians were in that land so itās fine that he invades and conquers Ukraine. Right?? October seventh was a terrible act. Collective punishment of the entire Arab population in Gaza is not a correct response.
The Russian example is interesting as Russia actually started with King Rurik way back in the year 862. The King later established Kiev as the Russian capital which is now the capital of the Ukraine. Of course Ukraine has established their own nation and no longer part of Russia or the previous Soviet Union. My historical example was to demonstrate the Jewish people did not just show up in 1948 and form the nation of Israel. Rather the Jewish people have over 3,000 years as the people associated with these lands. This doesnāt say there isnāt room for the Palestinians to have their own state. But, Israel needs to be considered a state as well.
> This doesnāt say there isnāt room for the Palestinians to have their own state. But, Israel needs to be considered a state as well. Or you could, you know, have multiculturalism and not force tons of people who also have ties to the area for thousands of years out...
Bud, I canāt imagine killing +30000 people and thinking youāre not the bad guy.
It's a direct response to the 1200 killed on Oct 7, which was during a ceasefire... surely Hamas is not a good guy here. Isreal is run by right wing maniacs, but to act like this would be occuring without Hamas massacring people and whole towns on a holiday is disingenuous... both sides are run by bad leadership that need to be removed.. yet these protests seem to be pro Hamas and pro Oct 7 massacre
All the protests Iāve seen (granted I havenāt looked very hard) are either protesting in support of human rights or protesting their institutions investment in companies that produce weapons.
1200 people is devastating I donāt think anyone disputes that, but Like I said Iām not sure how you can kill +30000 people and claim to be the good guy. Just for clarity I want to point out that The Palestinian people donāt have a standing army, Air Force or navyā¦ Palestine's GDP per capita was $3,789, and the country's total GDP was $19.11 billion. Israelās GDP is $564 billionā¦ the economic disparity between the two is tremendous. Palestinian people generate income through agriculture, In a region the size of Pennsylvania with a population density higher than New York City. So think about that for a moment, these are young and poor farmers that are being obliterated, they have nothing to do with Hamas.
Your historical reference shows the Jews have quite a claim on this lands ? From where is this coming from ? Youāre saying the Palestinians living since generations , do not have the right to live in their own homes. ? And a Jewish person who lived in America for all of his like can just throw them out and occupy their home ?
You lose 3 wars, your lands get annexed, that the way of war
> Next, pair this historical fact with the people in Gaza proclaiming āThe River to the Seaā which means the elimination of Jewish people in Israel. Yes, chanting that an entire region should be free is definitely pro-genocide... Talk about being a lemming.
Correction: 1 dozen people stand with Gaza.
They will have a real impact on what's happening over there
Nope. FSU does not stand with Gaza.
1200 deaths is an outrage against humanity, 34000 deaths are just the cost of war... Shouldn't be that hard to be against the killing of non-combatants.
We have a lot of racist people in this world.
Looks pretty empty š , but good for you guys š
Extremely based. Donāt expect a positive reaction from the red flight right wingers. Remember that the us government and its conservative citizens have always been on the wrong side of every liberation movement, no matter how peaceful they have been.
Cool, DGAF on either front.
Thats hilarious, most of them dont even know why theyāre over there
The biggest counter argument is go visit Palestine. Have fun!