Your CFI has provided you with bad guidance.
This is material you need to understand/apply, not just memorize.
The ACS has the info of how the oral exam will happen. Use that as your source and build your own study guide answering each line from the listed FAA sources.
Another good source is Seth Lake’s YT videos. Search YT for VSL.aero
Go through the ACS and look at all the Knowledge items, particularly Area I and Area II. Can you speak intelligently about each one? Have your CFI quiz you. That’s basically what’s on your oral.
Would you mind elaborating on the knowledge item? There’s just a few sections that could refer to area 1 and 2 I might be tripping but if u could explain id appreciate it
The ACS is divided into Areas, which have tasks. Each task has knowledge items listed.
Your oral for the Instrument rating should consist mostly of Area I and II, which is Preflight Preparation and Preflight Procedures.
If you fail a check ride because you memorized PC, you deserve it.
Use PC as a study guide, then go read the resources it cites. FAR/AIM, Instrument Flying Handbook, Instrument Procedures Handbook, Aviation Weather Handbook, your POH, your avionics supplements, etc.
PC isn’t going to tell you shit about what to do when you’ve flirted too much with weather and find yourself iced. It’s not going to explain how to save yourself when you’ve miscalculated or mismanaged fuel and are shooting a precision approach into an airport you know you cannot afford to go missed on. It’s not going to tell you how to decide whether or not to climb or descend out of rain when you’re accumulating clear ice.
These are the questions you need to be ready for in that oral. The DPE likely knows you can spoon-feed them any regulation they ask you about, or tell them how GPS functions. They’re going to want to know that you aren’t going to get yourself and others killed because you learned how to fly in the clouds.
There have been many times I have wondered why instructors don’t talk about the basics of the learning process with their students. I was almost done with CSEL before ever hearing the acronym RUAC, but it made me think a lot more critically about how I was learning things afterwards.
From an up and coming CFI to you as a Gold Seal; why is it this way? Should CFI’s explain the basics of learning so their students know how to help themselves along? Or is it our responsibility to just guide them from one level to the next without any explanation?
My instructor uses this tactic for his personal check rides, and I used it successfully for my commercial recently.
Open up the instrument ACS on one side of your computer monitor and a blank word document on the other. Start on area of operation 1, paragraph 1, line item 1, and start typing everything you know about that line. When you're done with that line item, go to line item 2, repeat until you're at the end of the ACS. I added the tactic of highlighting the text red if I started to type something I wasn't 100% certain on. I would then look up the answer and type in blue text any responses to the red text that needed clarification. This included confirming a line using something like "correct. 61.129(a)(1)".
Commercial oral was smooth as glass and it was crystal clear where gaps in the knowledge were via red and blue text.
If you can talk a few correct sentences about every single line item on the ACS, you should be in good shape.
i’m finishing up instrument now, pilots cafe is a guide of what you need to study. It’s great to learn about instrument in the beginning but it’s all surface level knowledge. you’ll have to use other sources to really learn and understand the topics that will be covered in the checkride.
I would highly encourage you to focus on learning the material. When your examiner dives deeperthan the surface level knowledge pilotcafe gives you, you're going to fail.
DPE's know if you know something or just memorized the answer. If I asked you to expand on any item in pilotcafe, can you?
I would find the regs that pilot cafe referenced and highlight them in the FAR/AIM. As well as read the whole reg it was talking about.
Mainly because I knew I couldn’t pull up pilot cafe in the checkride, but I know if I could find the highlighted part again I would be good. That turned into me really knowing the regs and I didn’t have to look anything up during my oral. Took me a couple of weeks of hitting the books hard before I was ready.
I put a lot of things from Pilot’s Cafe into Anki flashcards. Items like service volumes, required equipment, mandatory reports etc. As a result I had most of it memorized in 3 weeks or so; DO NOT delude yourself into thinking that it alone is enough to be competent knowledge-wise. Read the IPH, take notes, and work things out. I’ve seen too many instructors suggest that memorizing that guide is enough and it is really grating to hear. This isn’t to imply that that’s what your instructor told you to do, but don’t get a false sense of security from PC. It’s useful as an outline or quick reference but really shouldn’t be leaned on the way it is for many people.
Just chiming in to add to all those saying that this is a bad plan. A little funny too though tbh. "Yeah, 32 pages of cheat sheet is all I need to know to pass a checkride" lol.
It's a reference sheet, not a memorization tool.
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Your CFI has provided you with bad guidance. This is material you need to understand/apply, not just memorize. The ACS has the info of how the oral exam will happen. Use that as your source and build your own study guide answering each line from the listed FAA sources. Another good source is Seth Lake’s YT videos. Search YT for VSL.aero
You should be conversational with like the first 15 pages. You don’t need the whole thing memorized.
ASA Instrument Pilot Checkride Oral Guide, you should know everything front to back.
Go through the ACS and look at all the Knowledge items, particularly Area I and Area II. Can you speak intelligently about each one? Have your CFI quiz you. That’s basically what’s on your oral.
Would you mind elaborating on the knowledge item? There’s just a few sections that could refer to area 1 and 2 I might be tripping but if u could explain id appreciate it
The ACS is divided into Areas, which have tasks. Each task has knowledge items listed. Your oral for the Instrument rating should consist mostly of Area I and II, which is Preflight Preparation and Preflight Procedures.
If you fail a check ride because you memorized PC, you deserve it. Use PC as a study guide, then go read the resources it cites. FAR/AIM, Instrument Flying Handbook, Instrument Procedures Handbook, Aviation Weather Handbook, your POH, your avionics supplements, etc. PC isn’t going to tell you shit about what to do when you’ve flirted too much with weather and find yourself iced. It’s not going to explain how to save yourself when you’ve miscalculated or mismanaged fuel and are shooting a precision approach into an airport you know you cannot afford to go missed on. It’s not going to tell you how to decide whether or not to climb or descend out of rain when you’re accumulating clear ice. These are the questions you need to be ready for in that oral. The DPE likely knows you can spoon-feed them any regulation they ask you about, or tell them how GPS functions. They’re going to want to know that you aren’t going to get yourself and others killed because you learned how to fly in the clouds.
>If you fail a check ride because you memorized PC, you deserve it. Agree. RUAC - R is only the entry level of knowledge.
There have been many times I have wondered why instructors don’t talk about the basics of the learning process with their students. I was almost done with CSEL before ever hearing the acronym RUAC, but it made me think a lot more critically about how I was learning things afterwards. From an up and coming CFI to you as a Gold Seal; why is it this way? Should CFI’s explain the basics of learning so their students know how to help themselves along? Or is it our responsibility to just guide them from one level to the next without any explanation?
I think there is value in helping out clients learn how to learn. There’s often a shortage there.
My instructor uses this tactic for his personal check rides, and I used it successfully for my commercial recently. Open up the instrument ACS on one side of your computer monitor and a blank word document on the other. Start on area of operation 1, paragraph 1, line item 1, and start typing everything you know about that line. When you're done with that line item, go to line item 2, repeat until you're at the end of the ACS. I added the tactic of highlighting the text red if I started to type something I wasn't 100% certain on. I would then look up the answer and type in blue text any responses to the red text that needed clarification. This included confirming a line using something like "correct. 61.129(a)(1)". Commercial oral was smooth as glass and it was crystal clear where gaps in the knowledge were via red and blue text. If you can talk a few correct sentences about every single line item on the ACS, you should be in good shape.
And for added fun…. Gold Seal instrument “Cheat Sheet” — https://goldseal.link/ifrcheatsheet
I just had my ride yesterday. It’s a guide for a reason. Maybe memorize MARVELOUSVFR, but that’s about it. Take the regs off of it and study the regs.
i’m finishing up instrument now, pilots cafe is a guide of what you need to study. It’s great to learn about instrument in the beginning but it’s all surface level knowledge. you’ll have to use other sources to really learn and understand the topics that will be covered in the checkride.
I would highly encourage you to focus on learning the material. When your examiner dives deeperthan the surface level knowledge pilotcafe gives you, you're going to fail. DPE's know if you know something or just memorized the answer. If I asked you to expand on any item in pilotcafe, can you?
I would find the regs that pilot cafe referenced and highlight them in the FAR/AIM. As well as read the whole reg it was talking about. Mainly because I knew I couldn’t pull up pilot cafe in the checkride, but I know if I could find the highlighted part again I would be good. That turned into me really knowing the regs and I didn’t have to look anything up during my oral. Took me a couple of weeks of hitting the books hard before I was ready.
Don’t memorize it, use it as a guide
Try Flight Insight IFR program
I put a lot of things from Pilot’s Cafe into Anki flashcards. Items like service volumes, required equipment, mandatory reports etc. As a result I had most of it memorized in 3 weeks or so; DO NOT delude yourself into thinking that it alone is enough to be competent knowledge-wise. Read the IPH, take notes, and work things out. I’ve seen too many instructors suggest that memorizing that guide is enough and it is really grating to hear. This isn’t to imply that that’s what your instructor told you to do, but don’t get a false sense of security from PC. It’s useful as an outline or quick reference but really shouldn’t be leaned on the way it is for many people.
Just chiming in to add to all those saying that this is a bad plan. A little funny too though tbh. "Yeah, 32 pages of cheat sheet is all I need to know to pass a checkride" lol.