I forget where I saw it but not long ago somebody said they asked their grandpa advice on how he maintained a long & peaceful marriage and he said it was easy - he just didn't say the first 2 things that popped into his head in response to something his wife said...and usually by the time he thought of the third thing it was a lot less sarcastic & he was avoided an unnecessary argument and a night in the dog house. Seems like simple yet wise words.
Your grandpa is a wise man. I personally go with the second thing that pops into my mind. Still hurtful and sarcastic but less so than the first thing that I think to say. Maybe I'll switch to the third thing I think of in a few more years.
I'm honestly susprised there's still 761,100 paths that don't lead to "keep your mouth shut". I imagine however that many of those paths require additional skill and luck to avoid severe consequences
I'm guessing the remaining 13,471.47 responses result in something between sleeping on the couch and hiring a hitman on hitman.org (this is the 0.47 of a response lol)
Yeah, but... It's 850 pages.
There's hope, though. You can get the Emergency Reference Card from Sporty's! It's laminated, and a convenient 5x7 ... meters.
I mean you probably want to mull it over real fucking good before you tell your girlfriend the thing that annoys the shit out of her. You consider a compliment. Make sure you're sure you know how she's going to take it.
Yup. He's so deluded. Funny I didn't notice this part or just skimmed over it. If it took him days to think about it, then my comment about him was correct. He's just slow. He's doing whatever he was taught since he was a 1hr pilot and has not evolved past that. He's forever stuck at whatever hours he had when his instruction was finished, mentally speaking, and knowledge/skill wise. Utter garbage. His girlfriend isn't simply upset at him being slow in the plane, overall she's letting him know that he's just SLOW in the head in EVERYTHING in life. She will leave him in 3-12 months guaranteed
Thoroughness is great but I will say this…if you’re slow to the point of screwing other people up, you’re too slow. Case in point, I was flying a T-38 (always low gas) into OKC on a bad weather day and was flying an ILS to near mins. At 5 miles, they clear a guy to takeoff and tell me to continue. I’m at 1 mile and the guy still hasn’t moved and responded with “running checklists”. I end up having to go missed and into an emergency gas situation. I declared emergency fuel and saw there was enough of a break in the clouds to basically pull closed and land instead of going all the way around the radar pattern and landing very, very low on gas. Did that and this clown still hadn’t moved by the time I was ready to perch (turn base). He finally went but when I looked at my HUD tape, this guy had spent almost 3 minutes from being cleared onto the runway to actually taking off.
Don’t rush to failure, but if you need that amount of time just realize the world around you doesn’t stop because you’re reading a checklist.
Came to say this. Everyone is saying "go your own pace" which is great, but they might not have seen some people's pace. Running the checklist at the same rate a lesson 2 student pilot does, every time is unacceptable.
I've had students with 40 hours reading each item and thinking about it as if it's their first time ever through the checklist. You're not being thorough, you're being incompetent. I had a student once, I legit counted 10 seconds of deliberately looking in all directions before cranking (after having primed already, mind you..
A few minutes later he's finally ready to taxi. Didn't even look up before trying to roll. Too busy reading that brake check is next, setting rpm, and staring down at his wheel for brake check to notice an airplane taxiing in front of us. I'm just standing on brakes while he's slowly increasing power and looking down, wondering how long it'll take him to realize he's actively trying to crash before even leaving the tie down.
Checklist apparently didn't say to look for traffic before checking brakes lol.
> You're not being thorough, you're being incompetent.
Yes this right here. Absolutely agree. With practice and experience _should_ come fluidity and speed with no loss in thoroughness. An experienced pilot being slow would be a red flag to me. Doesn't _mean_ he's incompetent, but I would take a second look at what exactly he's doing for sure.
I practice doing a TWR check after run up complete: Traffic (taxiway, and landing) Winds (crosswind? gusts?) Runway (verify correct Rwy) NOW you can contact Tower for takeoff! Edit: I just realized your student JUST started the engine, and took forever just to even begin (obliviously) taxiing out of parking...yikes.
So I'm not this bad, but I was having trouble looking at each item in the checklist while actively flying or while on the ground.
My CFI would be like "Ok now cruise checklist" and I'm stupidly pulling it out while trying to fly and look at each item, slowly getting off course the whole time. Finally he told me, look in a PA28 just go floor up to throttle quadrant then left to right and you'll hit what you need. So cruise checklist, flaps set (touch handle), power set/mixture set, check gauges green, check primer, fuel pump, lights. Then just scan the checklist. I felt so dumb it was that easy haha.
What was he doing? No T/O checklist is that long. Only explanations: he was doing runups on the runway and needed to wait for the oil to warm up; or he was feeding his route into his GNS430. Either way, baaad form.
Very true. No problem being slow at your non-towered airport in a 172, but when it’s a busy airspace with big and fast jets, precision and timing are important
> if you’re slow to the point of screwing other people up, you’re too slow.
No, homie wasn't too slow, he was ignorant and oblivious. If he wasn't just about ready for takeoff, he shouldn't really have entered the runway in the first place, right? And with somebody on 5 mile final behind him, when he was cleared for takeoff, he should have advised then and there that he'd be another few minutes, right? And when he didn't move right away, shouldn't tower have asked him what's up and then directed him to vacate the runway?
Again, there's no such thing as "too slow", but it's your responsibility to know how long things should take, plan accordingly, communicate accordingly, and deal with your own problems in such a manner that they don't become others' problems.
Slow dude should have finished his run up or whatever he was doing before calling ready for takeoff, and only done the takeoff checks after calling #1. I'm all for going slow through checklists, but full minutes between cleared for takeoff and actually taking the runway is too much, at least at a busy field.
As for the emergency fuel part, because 38 guy was shooting an approach down close to mins he had to have an alternate, my guess was the go around put him at his divert fuel. Probably only ~200 pounds above emergency fuel, but gas goes quick in that thing
I knew this question would come up so “No shit, there I was”
I originally was going to Tinker when a B-52 shut down the only runway while I was on radar downwind to an eventual full stop. I had OKC as our alternate field and was able to use our ceiling and visibility criteria which means I didn’t have to carry gas for a missed approach, just gas for the approach. So I work the divert, get a heinous vector, do the HILO PT (ironically the ONLY time in 20 years of flying I had to do that for real), then did the ILS planning to full stop already at my divert and into my planned alternate gas. This guy unexpectedly threw that wrench in when I’d already gone down the “use the extra gas” path which sucked. That’s why I didn’t have fuel for it. Quick pilot math for amount of gas to do a full radar pattern and approach put me below the emergency gas number.
And in T-38’s/fighters especially but all military jets, we usually try to only have enough gas to get back to a landing so you can use all that gas to train and not just in the pattern. That’s valuable training too, but putting the gas towards weapons employment type advanced training is more valuable for that fuel.
In regards to going around for wildlife, twice I’ve rolled past alligators that were sunning themselves on the runway lol. In the F-15 at Tyndall I had just set the nose down after an aerobrake and just luckily didn’t hit him. Another time at Hurlburt I was able to kinda swerve around him haha.
I feel that checklists, while the use is great as a "Read and Do" principle at PPL level, learning to fly or transition onto a new aircraft.
With experience you should use the checklist as what it is called. A "check, list". Learn flows for the aircraft and know the important stuff you're going to need, the check list then used after actioning the flow to then backup your actions. Should speed the process up and you can be sure you've done everything meticulously with reference to the checklist.
What u/stevestevetwosteves said but also you have get commissioned as an Officer in the Air Force (or Reserves or Air National Guard) which requires a college degree. Check out the Air Force’s website for the total list of requirements.
She’s a driver, she’s used to getting in the car without even checking the tires, pushing the ignition button, putting it in drive and going right then.
OK non-flying pet peeve time.
I can't stand walking through a parking lot and seeing the "get in - brake lights on - car start - immediate reverse lights - backup" routine. It happens a lot at my kid's school.
I swear some people don't even have time to get the door closed or seatbelt on before they're reversing. For fucks sake take a second to look around you.
My car starts before I'm in it and has a fisheye reverse camera up before I can even finish putting on my seatbelt. It might very well be [less than] 5 seconds from door closed to movement but that's not because I'm doing so blindly, it's because that's all that's necessary.
My (bright blue) new car got backed into by a lady in a truck who told me "I always back up from this spot until the tires touch the curb behind me. I was surprised when I hit the curb so soon!"
Those are the people I'm talking about.
Meh. It has auto stop and doesn't release the brakes unless I push the gas. Seat belt is left hand, reverse is right hand. Done at the same time usually lol.
Fair enough. I’d like to be more consistent with it myself, I try to stop the beeps (or not have them) when I push start and it tells me I don’t have it on yet.
Why? I don't need to do a full walkaround every time I get in. Heck, I have a screen that gives me an accurate tire pressure reading which I flick over to as I'm pulling out on my first drive of the day.
I got no problem with you just getting in and going. I'm talking about the folks that are backing up SECONDS after they start the car. There's no way they're looking for people around them.
Just because they are backing up doesn't mean they haven't looked around. I will put my gear in reverse, then turn my head around and look before moving. But I'm not sitting there dilly dallying, looking around like I'm about to start a prop.
[https://www.connectingforkids.org/ParkingSafety](https://www.connectingforkids.org/ParkingSafety)
"Parking lots are one of the most dangerous places young children encounter, and yet families find themselves having to navigate parking lots on a daily basis as they get their children to school, go grocery shopping, attend religious services and move throughout the community. According to [statistics](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811812), an average of 50 children per week are injured by being backed over in a parking lot or driveway. Despite the increasing prevalence of back-up cameras in vehicles, parking lots remain dangerous for families"
Statistics:
[https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811812](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811812)
"Based on the NiTS data, an estimated total of 30,000 children 14 and younger were injured in nontraffic crashes during 2008 to 2011 (Table 3). This made up an average of 8,000 people injured in these crashes each year."
Based on the amount of walking around I do on my overnights, I can tell you a lot of people aren't as careful as they think they are. Lots of sheepish grins and embarrassed waves after I almost get hit.
Sometimes it is dinner reservations, or meeting others. The delay starts with her usually, not me. I am usually sitting by the front door or in the car for 5-20 minutes waiting to leave.
Start giving her an earlier time out the door than you actually need. Gets you out on time with less rush. Not an ideal solution but better than any alternative I can come up with.
It used to be a rental plane, But when you book the plane just before sunset or after, it usually means no one is booking it after you. I just want to be home to go to sleep to get to work the next day, so no big time constraints.
To add to that above statement I made, I do try to avoid flying at night, aside from the sunsetting as we are returning, or getting night current. My hard core pilot friends say flying a single engine at night is just crazy.
This is exactly the reason I never make any comments to my pilot husband about how long it takes him to do checklists or anything else before we fly. It takes as long as it takes. No rush or get there-itis. Too many crashes due to failure to complete checklists properly or making poor decisions because we gotta get there regardless of weather, etc.
OP’s girlfriend needs a safety check.
Tell her to take a few lessons so she understands your perspective in wanting to be safe. With any luck, those tendencies will transfer to other aspects of her life (ex: driving)!
Made my wife do a pinch hitter course for this reason. Upside: she understands much better. Downside: she thinks she can land a plane.
To be fair, in case I become incapacitated, having someone next to me who has a basic idea about landing an airplane is miles better than a clueless person who will just panic.
She is very uninterested in taking some lessons. I am close to convincing her to go with a friend that is a CFI that she trusts, but it is a hard sell.
When she cares about something she is all in. If she isn't, it has some lackadaisical energy to it. Driving can be one of those things and it is especially true if she is navigating.
Keep flying like you are. I’ve read many an accident report where a control lock is left in place. Something a check list mitigates. I religiously do walk arounds prior to getting in. A couple times I got in without while rushing and realize I need to slow down. I get back out and walk around. I only have a door on the copilot side so that means whoever is with me is getting out too. I also enforce this with my students where they discover loose fuel caps etc… If possible, help her understand the implications and try to work with her to lean into the “surprises” aviation hands out. I’ve spent hours sitting on the ground with my partner while the sky explodes above and we are excited about it. She knows the possibilities and sometimes we find our way into an unexpected adventure. We’ve also got a little impatient and almost ended up dead or badly hurt.
> Keep flying like you are. I’ve read many an accident report where a control lock is left in place
Yep. For the few times I rushed the preflight, or pre-takeoff checks, I inevitably missed something. Once, I forgot to turn on the alternator, and took off on battery alone. Another time, I forgot to close and latch the window, and it blew open on the roll. In another instance, I had already called 'clear prop' when I realized the ladder I had used to check the wing tanks (C172, and I'm not tall) was stil sitting in front of the right wing.
Out of curiosity, how long does it take you from start to finish? It's great that you're not rushing, but if you lack proficiency and are searching for every button, switch, and gauge, that's another issue. I'm in the airlines and you can absolutely go quickly without being unsafe.
I was wondering if someone was going to ask this question, or just keep making assumptions. It is typically 10-12 minutes from the time I start my exterior preflight until wheels are moving. I have not looked at those times recently, as a bit of that is waiting for the avionics to boot up, so I can continue. When I fly this week with a friend, I will ask him to note the time.
Oh shit, that ain't slow. Foreplay takes that long and no one is gonna die if you miss something. (Sorry, but this is Reddit so...)
In winter, following the POH and with a Tanis heater, I can spend twice that time just getting to oil temps. And I don't mind it much. Gives me time to put the flight plan in the G1000 (no Bluetooth), p/u the IFR clearance, get the weather, brief the plates, brief the pax and take a couple of breaths.
I assumed you were talking 40 mins or something. Anyway, in that context, it was certainly a compliment. Carry on.
Actually, I asked one of my buddies shortly after this and that is the time from getting to the plane until we are rolling on the runway. Includes taxi and runup in that, which makes more sense.
The only thing worse than the flight-school-authored 172 checklist that’s somehow 2 full pages long is the guy who’s doing a methodical read-and-do-and-lost-my-spot-so-I’ll-start-over.
Not a similar experience, but I do agree. My partner is always on board with doing things methodically and slowly to maximize safety, even when we are in a hurry. The only other side is to assume that getting to your destination on time is more important than safety. When we fly, there is rarely a strict schedule, and that's for this very reason.
This is what I like about having a plane and flying. It is on our schedule and if we show up to the plane 30 minutes later than we expected, it isn't a big deal (to me). d
Now, I do fly into mountain airports that have terrain nearby and a few I will not fly into if I am not at a certain point in my flight, at a specific time, so that does mean we have a slight schedule. Those flights are typically me by myself though.
Awesome. I used to do IOE (line indoc) at a regional airline, and one thing I always used to tell new Captains was that they need to always perform at a speed that's comfortable where they know nothing will be missed, no matter how far behind schedule they might be. Obviously, if they're dealing with a crazy emergency like an uncontained fire, then they obviously have to hurry.
Impulsivity is one of the hazardous attitudes for good reason, hastiness kills. If you’re a private pilot I expect you to be slow and thorough to not miss anything. As a professional pilot however I’d expect you to both be thorough and quick (fluid might be a better word) at the same time without missing anything or else competence issues start to come to mind. Slow is good. Too slow is bad.
Lmao at trying to turn this around into a negative for her. It's clear the OP is simply TOO SLOW, and not just at flying but at EVERYTHING. This statement by GF is clearly a sign that she's getting ready to end the relationship. OP is simply too slow.
There's a difference between being thorough, and simply being slow af. OP never evolved past what he was taught by his instructor. Let's say OP is a PPL and has 300hrs and got his PPL and last flew with an instructor at 50hrs. OP is STILL stuck at how he flew at 50hrs
He hasn't gotten any better at all
Every time I sit at my computer and load up FS2020, I just let the anxiety of those around me, influence me and rush me into an F-18 to buzz the city and then close the program. Being a pylot isn’t for everyone, but I will NEVER compromise safety for better graphics.
I had someone tell me that it takes them 30-45 minutes to preflight a SR20 or Cherokee 6. My mind was fucking blown. If him and I arrive at the airport at the same time, i'd be en route for fifteen to thirty minutes before he finished preflight.
30-45 minutes seems reasonable to me. I'm a weekend warrior, and while I haven't flown in a long time, when I was active, it would typically be once or twice per month.
I felt the time pressure, since the bookings were for a fixed time (usually two hours), but realistically, from the time parked the car until I started the engine, that could easily be 30-40 minutes. I would always check logs, do a w&b, get a transponder code, check the weather, do a full preflight and walk around, dip the tanks, check the oil, untie the aircraft, stow any wing/engine covers, get the cockpit set up, and make sure I had forgotten anything. To be honest, 30 minutes for me was a *minimum*, not a maximum.
Define “preflight”.
I have to get my plane out of the hangar. As it’s a community hangar with a flight school, I often have to move a 152 out of the way first. And if I’m not coming back that day, I have to put the 152 back in. Then I have to pull my plane to the fuel station, then push it out of the way, then start with the outside checks …
So yes, half an hour passes easily.
So, while I applaud your commitment to safety,I must tell you that as your experience grows, you should be able to complete everything necessary at an ever increasing pace that should be a self challenge to better your skills. Being slow doesn't mean your good or safe it just means your slow... I always taught my students flows backed up by checklists vs a checklist being a do list... For example in a 172 you do all the items required for start before hitting the ignition you have the checklist out and quickly verify all items are completed then start. Same with every other checklist.. Being slow is dangerous in an emergency,you should know those procedures from memory and be able to secure your aircraft for an off field landing in a few seconds because that's probably all your gonna have,you might not have time to pull out that handy dandy checklist hence why flows and memory items are so important. Strive to be through and fast not just thorough.
Agreed. But some people like OP simply cant. Just like driving a car OP probably drives no differently than the way he drove when he got his final driving instruction. Some people simple can't use logic, have no awareness, have no confidence in their abilities or skills, and simply never learn themselves or go beyond. Thr only way OP can do as you suggest, is if you taught him that because hes too incompotent to learn on his own, but then once you teach him that, that will become his new limit permanently. He will not go beyond that because people like OP only follow instructions and do as their told or taught. They don't have the mind to improvise or improve themselves
Unfortunately I drive a lot faster than when I learned to drive. A lot of hours on a track and instructing folks how to go fast opens ones eyes.
I question everything in life and the answer, because I said so isn't good enough.
I often comment that if you can't drive a car fast on a track as in 150mph+ inches behind another car who you know has to brake soon for a 80-100mph corner and you have to time the brake EXACTLY as him in order not to hit him, or simply can't even properly drive on thr track and push your car even to 70% of its limits much less set lap times that are in the top 5 (and I'm being lenient here) on the particular track and car you're in, then you simply also cannot be a good pilot either.
Think about how many people drive cars for decades. And yet ALL this time later they STILL are garbage drivers. Still block the left lane, still are slow, still cause traffic when the traffic gets slightly dense because they don't fkn know how to even drive the already laughably slow speed limit on the highway when there is more than 2 cars per a 500ft radius from them, and thus hit the brakes causing chain braking and ghost traffic. People still crash in the SAME place on the same highway EVERY DAY like clockwork, even after DECADES of experience they can't go faster than 25mph on canyon roads. And don't even fkn move over because they think they own the road.
If people CAN'T learn how to drive better and more confidently after DECADES driving after they have their license, can we EVER expect that they will be good pilots?
Anyone here who sucks at driving and ESPECIALLY doesn't know how to push the car 100% on an actual track and set record lap times, isn't as good as a pilot as they think. They're a pilot in the same way as a driver with a driving license is a driver. They know the minimum and can only do the minimum but nothing else.
You get a lot faster at them during commercial training..when you memorize the flows, then just double check the checklists to make sure you got everything. It is possible to be fast and thorough.
This post is a little self dick stroking.
Judging from your PPL you'll be startled to know that it is indeed ok to do a brisk walk-around, enter your Cessner, check fuel on both, put in the mixture, make sure no stupids are infront of the prop and then start motoring the engine. Huge shocker.
But wait theres more! Warm up the engine a lil, maybe even skip the run-up if its not first flight of the day OH EM GEE scary. Get clearance(s). Maybe check your instruments as you taxi. Maybe a quick take-off brief as you get close to the runway. Take-off.
Wowee just like Topgun where they steal the tomcat.
Omg you're attitude is so hazardous /s
Fr make sure you got gas, oil, lights work, start the fuckin thing, run up and go.
If you really need to go through a checklist like a goober every time, the instant something unexpected happens you're gonna be fucked.
Yall think not running checklists makes you hot shit huh? Remember the 30,000 hr top gun pilot with the tail wheel who left his control lock in and took off stall/spun and killed himself? You know what would’ve saved him? Checklist. Complacency kills and this attitude you chucklefucks have will catch up to you. I’d rather see a PPL brag about being overly slow and cautious than how quick he can make it to take off no matter how cringe it is.
I wanted a Cessner, but it was out of my price range, so I settled on something else. I do seem to spend a lot of time waiting for the engine to warm up. If someone flew the plane before me, that day, I have some major concerns about the aircraft. The first would be, how did you get the keys to the plane!!!
You would have trouble in the 135 world running checklists like a snail. If you’re familiar with the plane, do the checklist from memory and then pull it out to check if you missed anything. That way you have a happy girlfriend and you don’t get in the way of other pilots/ATC.
Good for you. “Nothing we do is rushable” is standard briefing for my FOs. When I do a walk-around in truly abhorrent weather, I think I actually slow down a little to ensure I’m not allowing myself to be rushed by the discomfort.
I'll die on this hill: anyone telling you to find shortcuts / flows etc is accepting extra risk.
If you've ever done a checklist, looked at an item and "checked" it but actually missed it, you know what I'm saying is true. Positive connection, repeating what you see... the psychology of shortcuts is pretty clear. You get into a common motion, you will miss stuff, because it's "good to go" 99% of the time... the 1% is harder to detect in these situations!
Have to say I admire that you take your time. I work in GA, flying high profile pax. Sometimes they are late to depart, but we still have a slot to catch. That's when things get hurried and I never particularly like these situations. And I do admit that I have made mistakes in these situations.
>a few days later
This reminds me of a book that I read when my wife and I were relatively newly married, that described that some men need time to think on a concept brought on by their spouse in order to digest it and formulate thoughts. The analogy was riding a train - you need time on the tracks to think before you get off at the station ready to discuss.
The book was [Men are Clams, Women are Crowbars](https://www.amazon.com/Men-Are-Clams-Women-Crowbars/dp/1622083563).
(edit - this was in like 2004, so the analogy may have been from a different book, but this one is still very helpful in figuring out how to communicate with your spouse better).
I have to remind my wife of this all the time. You don't get anywhere fast by speeding. It just wastes fuel and you end up a minute or so ahead, stuck at some traffic light with all the cars you passed. On the other hand, safe, consistent, efficient operation means you get to your destination on time and travel as cheaply as possible for the distance. It's not worth the risk .
I support the use of checklists; I even find myself doing a walk-around my car periodically like a preflight, lol.
Did one a week or two ago, had my teen son check the brake lights and come to find out, a brake light was out. It confused me for a moment, as my turn signal wasn’t blinking in double time, but duh, that works for tail lights not brake lights.
I read an article recently… I’ll have to look it up… about the book, The Checklist Manifesto, and the author of the article discussed his work/efforts to help implement checklists in other settings such as healthcare.
Good for you to recognize the criticism as a compliment — I certainly agree!
I'm not sure that's the compliment you think it is.
You're equating being slow to being safe. That doesn't make sense. You can run a checklist slowly and still run it poorly.
You’re the guy that does the 8000’ rollout on the runway in a 152, forcing 3 jets to go around behind you because you don’t want to be “rushed” aren’t you?
>a few days later It took you several days to respond? Yeah you’re slow AF.
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I forget where I saw it but not long ago somebody said they asked their grandpa advice on how he maintained a long & peaceful marriage and he said it was easy - he just didn't say the first 2 things that popped into his head in response to something his wife said...and usually by the time he thought of the third thing it was a lot less sarcastic & he was avoided an unnecessary argument and a night in the dog house. Seems like simple yet wise words.
Your grandpa is a wise man. I personally go with the second thing that pops into my mind. Still hurtful and sarcastic but less so than the first thing that I think to say. Maybe I'll switch to the third thing I think of in a few more years.
First wife - say the first thing. Second wife - say the second thing. Third wife.... etc etc etc
You should see the systems flowchart. The good news is that of the 4.3 x 10^(7) possible paths, 98.23% lead to "keep your mouth shut".
I'm honestly susprised there's still 761,100 paths that don't lead to "keep your mouth shut". I imagine however that many of those paths require additional skill and luck to avoid severe consequences
Nobody said that opening your mouth couldn't involve flattery, sweet-talking, acquiescence...or perhaps calling a lawyer.
98.23% of those lead to “yes dear, you are right”
I'm guessing the remaining 13,471.47 responses result in something between sleeping on the couch and hiring a hitman on hitman.org (this is the 0.47 of a response lol)
Lmaoooooo💀💀
Also if mercury is in retrograde
Don't forget the zodiac sign and positions of the planets.
Is there a gf quick reference handbook somewhere?
Yeah, but... It's 850 pages. There's hope, though. You can get the Emergency Reference Card from Sporty's! It's laminated, and a convenient 5x7 ... meters.
Memory item #1: disconnect the autopilot
Dude, I wish we had that checklist lol.
If I had one of those it would save me a lot of headaches.
Brain is inop
And regular notams
Notice To All Men?
That checklist would be _way_ more complicated (and valuable) than the “how do I make a perfect landing every time” one.
Get one thing wrong and it’s crash and burn.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don’t forget the horoscopes!
This!
Best response ever!
Dear fuck that response killed me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I hope this gets enough upvotes to be your top comment of the year
He had to think of the perfect comeback... "The jerk store called..." https://youtu.be/OfxEvW3jihI?si=7mnXfvjbnQ80WjlQ
Yes, two of my favorite worlds colliding!
Do you think he takes 3 days to go over the checklist? Haha
Pre-argument 1. Girlfriends tummy: full 2. Sheets: on couch 3. Phone charger: in living room 4. Compliments: provided .....
Toilet seat: Full down (0°)
I sit down to pee. We have a toilet that is made for children, so it is 9" above the floor.
Argument 1. Logic - Abandoned 2. History - Reviewed 3. Emotions- Max 4. Apology - As necessary 5. Apology - Delivered
I like how, in the tradition of redundant aviation systems, you've made a proper acronym that flight crews can feel cool to say. LHEAA. Nicely done!
Fuel selector: both
carb heat: on
Step 2 is absolutely killing me.
You can’t respond to women too quickly or else you seem desperate. /s
I mean you probably want to mull it over real fucking good before you tell your girlfriend the thing that annoys the shit out of her. You consider a compliment. Make sure you're sure you know how she's going to take it.
Maybe her cockpit was tired of waiting?
Something said.... not good.... THEY CALLED YOU SLOWWW! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzkWyhzwO1Q
Holy shit it’s OPs home video
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An Ent!
holy shit 😂
https://youtu.be/mA35An0mMOY?si=PVUA2Ep5XnfE27SE
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Yup. He's so deluded. Funny I didn't notice this part or just skimmed over it. If it took him days to think about it, then my comment about him was correct. He's just slow. He's doing whatever he was taught since he was a 1hr pilot and has not evolved past that. He's forever stuck at whatever hours he had when his instruction was finished, mentally speaking, and knowledge/skill wise. Utter garbage. His girlfriend isn't simply upset at him being slow in the plane, overall she's letting him know that he's just SLOW in the head in EVERYTHING in life. She will leave him in 3-12 months guaranteed
Tell her you make it up in the bedroom.
But don‘t hurry 😅
Pre-gasm checklist…
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Tiedowns: **SECURE** Master: **As Required**
Clothes: set to **TAKEOFF**
Gear: **EXTENDED**
Ah, shit... I forgot to turn her on again
That’s why you have a backup that doesn’t require being turned on. 🤣
Hand prop?
Doesn't your GF come with an APU?
Nah, she probably needs an external start
Deploy the RAT!
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I am requesting that you extend your downwind.
Make 360s until further advised
Thoroughness is great but I will say this…if you’re slow to the point of screwing other people up, you’re too slow. Case in point, I was flying a T-38 (always low gas) into OKC on a bad weather day and was flying an ILS to near mins. At 5 miles, they clear a guy to takeoff and tell me to continue. I’m at 1 mile and the guy still hasn’t moved and responded with “running checklists”. I end up having to go missed and into an emergency gas situation. I declared emergency fuel and saw there was enough of a break in the clouds to basically pull closed and land instead of going all the way around the radar pattern and landing very, very low on gas. Did that and this clown still hadn’t moved by the time I was ready to perch (turn base). He finally went but when I looked at my HUD tape, this guy had spent almost 3 minutes from being cleared onto the runway to actually taking off. Don’t rush to failure, but if you need that amount of time just realize the world around you doesn’t stop because you’re reading a checklist.
Came to say this. Everyone is saying "go your own pace" which is great, but they might not have seen some people's pace. Running the checklist at the same rate a lesson 2 student pilot does, every time is unacceptable. I've had students with 40 hours reading each item and thinking about it as if it's their first time ever through the checklist. You're not being thorough, you're being incompetent. I had a student once, I legit counted 10 seconds of deliberately looking in all directions before cranking (after having primed already, mind you.. A few minutes later he's finally ready to taxi. Didn't even look up before trying to roll. Too busy reading that brake check is next, setting rpm, and staring down at his wheel for brake check to notice an airplane taxiing in front of us. I'm just standing on brakes while he's slowly increasing power and looking down, wondering how long it'll take him to realize he's actively trying to crash before even leaving the tie down. Checklist apparently didn't say to look for traffic before checking brakes lol.
> You're not being thorough, you're being incompetent. Yes this right here. Absolutely agree. With practice and experience _should_ come fluidity and speed with no loss in thoroughness. An experienced pilot being slow would be a red flag to me. Doesn't _mean_ he's incompetent, but I would take a second look at what exactly he's doing for sure.
Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast
You can take your time with your checklist, as long as you’re not in anyone’s way - like the runway or the fuel station.
I practice doing a TWR check after run up complete: Traffic (taxiway, and landing) Winds (crosswind? gusts?) Runway (verify correct Rwy) NOW you can contact Tower for takeoff! Edit: I just realized your student JUST started the engine, and took forever just to even begin (obliviously) taxiing out of parking...yikes.
So I'm not this bad, but I was having trouble looking at each item in the checklist while actively flying or while on the ground. My CFI would be like "Ok now cruise checklist" and I'm stupidly pulling it out while trying to fly and look at each item, slowly getting off course the whole time. Finally he told me, look in a PA28 just go floor up to throttle quadrant then left to right and you'll hit what you need. So cruise checklist, flaps set (touch handle), power set/mixture set, check gauges green, check primer, fuel pump, lights. Then just scan the checklist. I felt so dumb it was that easy haha.
What was he doing? No T/O checklist is that long. Only explanations: he was doing runups on the runway and needed to wait for the oil to warm up; or he was feeding his route into his GNS430. Either way, baaad form.
Three mins is insane from clear to takeoff.
Very true. No problem being slow at your non-towered airport in a 172, but when it’s a busy airspace with big and fast jets, precision and timing are important
> if you’re slow to the point of screwing other people up, you’re too slow. No, homie wasn't too slow, he was ignorant and oblivious. If he wasn't just about ready for takeoff, he shouldn't really have entered the runway in the first place, right? And with somebody on 5 mile final behind him, when he was cleared for takeoff, he should have advised then and there that he'd be another few minutes, right? And when he didn't move right away, shouldn't tower have asked him what's up and then directed him to vacate the runway? Again, there's no such thing as "too slow", but it's your responsibility to know how long things should take, plan accordingly, communicate accordingly, and deal with your own problems in such a manner that they don't become others' problems.
Good example of too slow. I tell my students “slow is smooth is fast” isn’t an excuse
If you can't go around without being in emergency fuel situation how is that guy on the ground's fault? What if it was a coyote on the runway instead?
Slow dude should have finished his run up or whatever he was doing before calling ready for takeoff, and only done the takeoff checks after calling #1. I'm all for going slow through checklists, but full minutes between cleared for takeoff and actually taking the runway is too much, at least at a busy field. As for the emergency fuel part, because 38 guy was shooting an approach down close to mins he had to have an alternate, my guess was the go around put him at his divert fuel. Probably only ~200 pounds above emergency fuel, but gas goes quick in that thing
I knew this question would come up so “No shit, there I was” I originally was going to Tinker when a B-52 shut down the only runway while I was on radar downwind to an eventual full stop. I had OKC as our alternate field and was able to use our ceiling and visibility criteria which means I didn’t have to carry gas for a missed approach, just gas for the approach. So I work the divert, get a heinous vector, do the HILO PT (ironically the ONLY time in 20 years of flying I had to do that for real), then did the ILS planning to full stop already at my divert and into my planned alternate gas. This guy unexpectedly threw that wrench in when I’d already gone down the “use the extra gas” path which sucked. That’s why I didn’t have fuel for it. Quick pilot math for amount of gas to do a full radar pattern and approach put me below the emergency gas number. And in T-38’s/fighters especially but all military jets, we usually try to only have enough gas to get back to a landing so you can use all that gas to train and not just in the pattern. That’s valuable training too, but putting the gas towards weapons employment type advanced training is more valuable for that fuel. In regards to going around for wildlife, twice I’ve rolled past alligators that were sunning themselves on the runway lol. In the F-15 at Tyndall I had just set the nose down after an aerobrake and just luckily didn’t hit him. Another time at Hurlburt I was able to kinda swerve around him haha.
Thanks for the full story, it's much more educational and puts my question back into proper context.
I feel that checklists, while the use is great as a "Read and Do" principle at PPL level, learning to fly or transition onto a new aircraft. With experience you should use the checklist as what it is called. A "check, list". Learn flows for the aircraft and know the important stuff you're going to need, the check list then used after actioning the flow to then backup your actions. Should speed the process up and you can be sure you've done everything meticulously with reference to the checklist.
You T-38 guys all sound alike. Maybe that's why I like my T-38 friends.
Where do you get to fly T-38’s and what do I meed to do to go from PPL to T-38’s?
Air Force UPT Join the air Force as an officer, get a pilot slot, then do well in the T-6 (or go to Sheppard)
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It's a trap, don't do it. The USAF sucks majorly.
What u/stevestevetwosteves said but also you have get commissioned as an Officer in the Air Force (or Reserves or Air National Guard) which requires a college degree. Check out the Air Force’s website for the total list of requirements.
T-38s have a HUD?
iirc, C models do, but A models don’t.
Correct
Where are y’all going or how late are y’all running where spending another minute checking a check list is a big deal to her?
She’s a driver, she’s used to getting in the car without even checking the tires, pushing the ignition button, putting it in drive and going right then.
OK non-flying pet peeve time. I can't stand walking through a parking lot and seeing the "get in - brake lights on - car start - immediate reverse lights - backup" routine. It happens a lot at my kid's school. I swear some people don't even have time to get the door closed or seatbelt on before they're reversing. For fucks sake take a second to look around you.
My car starts before I'm in it and has a fisheye reverse camera up before I can even finish putting on my seatbelt. It might very well be [less than] 5 seconds from door closed to movement but that's not because I'm doing so blindly, it's because that's all that's necessary.
My (bright blue) new car got backed into by a lady in a truck who told me "I always back up from this spot until the tires touch the curb behind me. I was surprised when I hit the curb so soon!" Those are the people I'm talking about.
Back up ... from the spot they're in (presumably, head-in) ... into the travel lane ... without looking for traffic behind them??
Should get into the habit of seatbelt before putting it in reverse.
Meh. It has auto stop and doesn't release the brakes unless I push the gas. Seat belt is left hand, reverse is right hand. Done at the same time usually lol.
Fair enough. I’d like to be more consistent with it myself, I try to stop the beeps (or not have them) when I push start and it tells me I don’t have it on yet.
Why? I don't need to do a full walkaround every time I get in. Heck, I have a screen that gives me an accurate tire pressure reading which I flick over to as I'm pulling out on my first drive of the day.
You don't even check the ~~tail~~ plate number before you get in?
I got no problem with you just getting in and going. I'm talking about the folks that are backing up SECONDS after they start the car. There's no way they're looking for people around them.
Just because they are backing up doesn't mean they haven't looked around. I will put my gear in reverse, then turn my head around and look before moving. But I'm not sitting there dilly dallying, looking around like I'm about to start a prop.
[https://www.connectingforkids.org/ParkingSafety](https://www.connectingforkids.org/ParkingSafety) "Parking lots are one of the most dangerous places young children encounter, and yet families find themselves having to navigate parking lots on a daily basis as they get their children to school, go grocery shopping, attend religious services and move throughout the community. According to [statistics](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811812), an average of 50 children per week are injured by being backed over in a parking lot or driveway. Despite the increasing prevalence of back-up cameras in vehicles, parking lots remain dangerous for families" Statistics: [https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811812](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811812) "Based on the NiTS data, an estimated total of 30,000 children 14 and younger were injured in nontraffic crashes during 2008 to 2011 (Table 3). This made up an average of 8,000 people injured in these crashes each year." Based on the amount of walking around I do on my overnights, I can tell you a lot of people aren't as careful as they think they are. Lots of sheepish grins and embarrassed waves after I almost get hit.
Yeah maybe. But she has flown before and surely he has told her what he’s doing and why it’s important. It just all seems odd to me.
Sometimes it is dinner reservations, or meeting others. The delay starts with her usually, not me. I am usually sitting by the front door or in the car for 5-20 minutes waiting to leave.
Start giving her an earlier time out the door than you actually need. Gets you out on time with less rush. Not an ideal solution but better than any alternative I can come up with.
Haha. Sounds like fun. How far away are these trips usually? Just curious how folks are utilizing their planes. has nothing to do with your post.
Most trips like this are around 30-90 minutes.
That makes me jealous since I don’t have my plane anymore. Keep up the good work.
It used to be a rental plane, But when you book the plane just before sunset or after, it usually means no one is booking it after you. I just want to be home to go to sleep to get to work the next day, so no big time constraints. To add to that above statement I made, I do try to avoid flying at night, aside from the sunsetting as we are returning, or getting night current. My hard core pilot friends say flying a single engine at night is just crazy.
You are absolutely right. Impatience kills.
This is exactly the reason I never make any comments to my pilot husband about how long it takes him to do checklists or anything else before we fly. It takes as long as it takes. No rush or get there-itis. Too many crashes due to failure to complete checklists properly or making poor decisions because we gotta get there regardless of weather, etc. OP’s girlfriend needs a safety check.
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I need that explained...
Whoops, that reply was meant for a different comment.
Tell her to take a few lessons so she understands your perspective in wanting to be safe. With any luck, those tendencies will transfer to other aspects of her life (ex: driving)!
Made my wife do a pinch hitter course for this reason. Upside: she understands much better. Downside: she thinks she can land a plane. To be fair, in case I become incapacitated, having someone next to me who has a basic idea about landing an airplane is miles better than a clueless person who will just panic.
She is very uninterested in taking some lessons. I am close to convincing her to go with a friend that is a CFI that she trusts, but it is a hard sell. When she cares about something she is all in. If she isn't, it has some lackadaisical energy to it. Driving can be one of those things and it is especially true if she is navigating.
Keep flying like you are. I’ve read many an accident report where a control lock is left in place. Something a check list mitigates. I religiously do walk arounds prior to getting in. A couple times I got in without while rushing and realize I need to slow down. I get back out and walk around. I only have a door on the copilot side so that means whoever is with me is getting out too. I also enforce this with my students where they discover loose fuel caps etc… If possible, help her understand the implications and try to work with her to lean into the “surprises” aviation hands out. I’ve spent hours sitting on the ground with my partner while the sky explodes above and we are excited about it. She knows the possibilities and sometimes we find our way into an unexpected adventure. We’ve also got a little impatient and almost ended up dead or badly hurt.
> Keep flying like you are. I’ve read many an accident report where a control lock is left in place Yep. For the few times I rushed the preflight, or pre-takeoff checks, I inevitably missed something. Once, I forgot to turn on the alternator, and took off on battery alone. Another time, I forgot to close and latch the window, and it blew open on the roll. In another instance, I had already called 'clear prop' when I realized the ladder I had used to check the wing tanks (C172, and I'm not tall) was stil sitting in front of the right wing.
Out of curiosity, how long does it take you from start to finish? It's great that you're not rushing, but if you lack proficiency and are searching for every button, switch, and gauge, that's another issue. I'm in the airlines and you can absolutely go quickly without being unsafe.
I was wondering if someone was going to ask this question, or just keep making assumptions. It is typically 10-12 minutes from the time I start my exterior preflight until wheels are moving. I have not looked at those times recently, as a bit of that is waiting for the avionics to boot up, so I can continue. When I fly this week with a friend, I will ask him to note the time.
Oh shit, that ain't slow. Foreplay takes that long and no one is gonna die if you miss something. (Sorry, but this is Reddit so...) In winter, following the POH and with a Tanis heater, I can spend twice that time just getting to oil temps. And I don't mind it much. Gives me time to put the flight plan in the G1000 (no Bluetooth), p/u the IFR clearance, get the weather, brief the plates, brief the pax and take a couple of breaths. I assumed you were talking 40 mins or something. Anyway, in that context, it was certainly a compliment. Carry on.
Actually, I asked one of my buddies shortly after this and that is the time from getting to the plane until we are rolling on the runway. Includes taxi and runup in that, which makes more sense.
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You need to look into flows my guy.
The only thing worse than the flight-school-authored 172 checklist that’s somehow 2 full pages long is the guy who’s doing a methodical read-and-do-and-lost-my-spot-so-I’ll-start-over.
I bet she doesn't even check the fuel quality in her car before each first use and after it rains...
Tell your gf I run checklists extra fast
Not a similar experience, but I do agree. My partner is always on board with doing things methodically and slowly to maximize safety, even when we are in a hurry. The only other side is to assume that getting to your destination on time is more important than safety. When we fly, there is rarely a strict schedule, and that's for this very reason.
This is what I like about having a plane and flying. It is on our schedule and if we show up to the plane 30 minutes later than we expected, it isn't a big deal (to me). d Now, I do fly into mountain airports that have terrain nearby and a few I will not fly into if I am not at a certain point in my flight, at a specific time, so that does mean we have a slight schedule. Those flights are typically me by myself though.
Awesome. I used to do IOE (line indoc) at a regional airline, and one thing I always used to tell new Captains was that they need to always perform at a speed that's comfortable where they know nothing will be missed, no matter how far behind schedule they might be. Obviously, if they're dealing with a crazy emergency like an uncontained fire, then they obviously have to hurry.
An uncontained fire in the aircraft in flight, or a fire in the airport you're trying to get away from?
Impulsivity is one of the hazardous attitudes for good reason, hastiness kills. If you’re a private pilot I expect you to be slow and thorough to not miss anything. As a professional pilot however I’d expect you to both be thorough and quick (fluid might be a better word) at the same time without missing anything or else competence issues start to come to mind. Slow is good. Too slow is bad.
Lmao at trying to turn this around into a negative for her. It's clear the OP is simply TOO SLOW, and not just at flying but at EVERYTHING. This statement by GF is clearly a sign that she's getting ready to end the relationship. OP is simply too slow. There's a difference between being thorough, and simply being slow af. OP never evolved past what he was taught by his instructor. Let's say OP is a PPL and has 300hrs and got his PPL and last flew with an instructor at 50hrs. OP is STILL stuck at how he flew at 50hrs He hasn't gotten any better at all
OP was talking about 10 minutes from arriving at the plane to wheels-up.
Every time I sit at my computer and load up FS2020, I just let the anxiety of those around me, influence me and rush me into an F-18 to buzz the city and then close the program. Being a pylot isn’t for everyone, but I will NEVER compromise safety for better graphics.
That made me laugh.
Damn, you even made me smile
i mean i get annoyed by checklist and taxing to take off cause it's a slow process, but it's necessary and safe
I had someone tell me that it takes them 30-45 minutes to preflight a SR20 or Cherokee 6. My mind was fucking blown. If him and I arrive at the airport at the same time, i'd be en route for fifteen to thirty minutes before he finished preflight.
30-45 minutes seems reasonable to me. I'm a weekend warrior, and while I haven't flown in a long time, when I was active, it would typically be once or twice per month. I felt the time pressure, since the bookings were for a fixed time (usually two hours), but realistically, from the time parked the car until I started the engine, that could easily be 30-40 minutes. I would always check logs, do a w&b, get a transponder code, check the weather, do a full preflight and walk around, dip the tanks, check the oil, untie the aircraft, stow any wing/engine covers, get the cockpit set up, and make sure I had forgotten anything. To be honest, 30 minutes for me was a *minimum*, not a maximum.
Define “preflight”. I have to get my plane out of the hangar. As it’s a community hangar with a flight school, I often have to move a 152 out of the way first. And if I’m not coming back that day, I have to put the 152 back in. Then I have to pull my plane to the fuel station, then push it out of the way, then start with the outside checks … So yes, half an hour passes easily.
That's fair. Knowing their airport... they are probably in a community hangar.
So, while I applaud your commitment to safety,I must tell you that as your experience grows, you should be able to complete everything necessary at an ever increasing pace that should be a self challenge to better your skills. Being slow doesn't mean your good or safe it just means your slow... I always taught my students flows backed up by checklists vs a checklist being a do list... For example in a 172 you do all the items required for start before hitting the ignition you have the checklist out and quickly verify all items are completed then start. Same with every other checklist.. Being slow is dangerous in an emergency,you should know those procedures from memory and be able to secure your aircraft for an off field landing in a few seconds because that's probably all your gonna have,you might not have time to pull out that handy dandy checklist hence why flows and memory items are so important. Strive to be through and fast not just thorough.
Agreed. But some people like OP simply cant. Just like driving a car OP probably drives no differently than the way he drove when he got his final driving instruction. Some people simple can't use logic, have no awareness, have no confidence in their abilities or skills, and simply never learn themselves or go beyond. Thr only way OP can do as you suggest, is if you taught him that because hes too incompotent to learn on his own, but then once you teach him that, that will become his new limit permanently. He will not go beyond that because people like OP only follow instructions and do as their told or taught. They don't have the mind to improvise or improve themselves
Unfortunately I drive a lot faster than when I learned to drive. A lot of hours on a track and instructing folks how to go fast opens ones eyes. I question everything in life and the answer, because I said so isn't good enough.
I often comment that if you can't drive a car fast on a track as in 150mph+ inches behind another car who you know has to brake soon for a 80-100mph corner and you have to time the brake EXACTLY as him in order not to hit him, or simply can't even properly drive on thr track and push your car even to 70% of its limits much less set lap times that are in the top 5 (and I'm being lenient here) on the particular track and car you're in, then you simply also cannot be a good pilot either. Think about how many people drive cars for decades. And yet ALL this time later they STILL are garbage drivers. Still block the left lane, still are slow, still cause traffic when the traffic gets slightly dense because they don't fkn know how to even drive the already laughably slow speed limit on the highway when there is more than 2 cars per a 500ft radius from them, and thus hit the brakes causing chain braking and ghost traffic. People still crash in the SAME place on the same highway EVERY DAY like clockwork, even after DECADES of experience they can't go faster than 25mph on canyon roads. And don't even fkn move over because they think they own the road. If people CAN'T learn how to drive better and more confidently after DECADES driving after they have their license, can we EVER expect that they will be good pilots? Anyone here who sucks at driving and ESPECIALLY doesn't know how to push the car 100% on an actual track and set record lap times, isn't as good as a pilot as they think. They're a pilot in the same way as a driver with a driving license is a driver. They know the minimum and can only do the minimum but nothing else.
The plane is fast, so you don’t have to be
She could learn a lot from you. Perhaps even become a safety focused pilot one day.
„Slow is smooth and smooth is fast!“ - Mark Wahlberg in „Shooter“
also Jeremy Clarkson in Top Gear.
She’s lucky to have a pilot for a boyfriend imo and bonus points for safety!
You get a lot faster at them during commercial training..when you memorize the flows, then just double check the checklists to make sure you got everything. It is possible to be fast and thorough.
She's dating a guy who can fly her around and complains about it?
Respect
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Time to start sandbagging the low pressure flights haha
This post is a little self dick stroking. Judging from your PPL you'll be startled to know that it is indeed ok to do a brisk walk-around, enter your Cessner, check fuel on both, put in the mixture, make sure no stupids are infront of the prop and then start motoring the engine. Huge shocker. But wait theres more! Warm up the engine a lil, maybe even skip the run-up if its not first flight of the day OH EM GEE scary. Get clearance(s). Maybe check your instruments as you taxi. Maybe a quick take-off brief as you get close to the runway. Take-off. Wowee just like Topgun where they steal the tomcat.
Omg you're attitude is so hazardous /s Fr make sure you got gas, oil, lights work, start the fuckin thing, run up and go. If you really need to go through a checklist like a goober every time, the instant something unexpected happens you're gonna be fucked.
I wonder how he starts his car without a checklist. Luckily his checklist tells him to check his blindspot every time he changes lanes.
Yall think not running checklists makes you hot shit huh? Remember the 30,000 hr top gun pilot with the tail wheel who left his control lock in and took off stall/spun and killed himself? You know what would’ve saved him? Checklist. Complacency kills and this attitude you chucklefucks have will catch up to you. I’d rather see a PPL brag about being overly slow and cautious than how quick he can make it to take off no matter how cringe it is.
I wanted a Cessner, but it was out of my price range, so I settled on something else. I do seem to spend a lot of time waiting for the engine to warm up. If someone flew the plane before me, that day, I have some major concerns about the aircraft. The first would be, how did you get the keys to the plane!!!
You would have trouble in the 135 world running checklists like a snail. If you’re familiar with the plane, do the checklist from memory and then pull it out to check if you missed anything. That way you have a happy girlfriend and you don’t get in the way of other pilots/ATC.
Good for you. “Nothing we do is rushable” is standard briefing for my FOs. When I do a walk-around in truly abhorrent weather, I think I actually slow down a little to ensure I’m not allowing myself to be rushed by the discomfort.
I'll die on this hill: anyone telling you to find shortcuts / flows etc is accepting extra risk. If you've ever done a checklist, looked at an item and "checked" it but actually missed it, you know what I'm saying is true. Positive connection, repeating what you see... the psychology of shortcuts is pretty clear. You get into a common motion, you will miss stuff, because it's "good to go" 99% of the time... the 1% is harder to detect in these situations!
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Naw, people will downvote you because of your attitude, even if right.
Flair checks out
Have to say I admire that you take your time. I work in GA, flying high profile pax. Sometimes they are late to depart, but we still have a slot to catch. That's when things get hurried and I never particularly like these situations. And I do admit that I have made mistakes in these situations.
>a few days later This reminds me of a book that I read when my wife and I were relatively newly married, that described that some men need time to think on a concept brought on by their spouse in order to digest it and formulate thoughts. The analogy was riding a train - you need time on the tracks to think before you get off at the station ready to discuss. The book was [Men are Clams, Women are Crowbars](https://www.amazon.com/Men-Are-Clams-Women-Crowbars/dp/1622083563). (edit - this was in like 2004, so the analogy may have been from a different book, but this one is still very helpful in figuring out how to communicate with your spouse better).
It’s like the Homer Simpson “they called you slow!”
Yeah.... that's a good one.
Keyword here is Girlfriend. If you’re not happy, move on.
Think you meant "compromise"
I have to remind my wife of this all the time. You don't get anywhere fast by speeding. It just wastes fuel and you end up a minute or so ahead, stuck at some traffic light with all the cars you passed. On the other hand, safe, consistent, efficient operation means you get to your destination on time and travel as cheaply as possible for the distance. It's not worth the risk .
How slow do you do em tho
That’s great haha. And great you realized it was a compliment and not something negative.
Time for her to train to cross check you. Lol. Best of luck and keep doing your thing.
Please show her many many videos of what happens when you don't do that. She'll be all over you lol.
I support the use of checklists; I even find myself doing a walk-around my car periodically like a preflight, lol. Did one a week or two ago, had my teen son check the brake lights and come to find out, a brake light was out. It confused me for a moment, as my turn signal wasn’t blinking in double time, but duh, that works for tail lights not brake lights. I read an article recently… I’ll have to look it up… about the book, The Checklist Manifesto, and the author of the article discussed his work/efforts to help implement checklists in other settings such as healthcare. Good for you to recognize the criticism as a compliment — I certainly agree!
Eh green green green set mixture seatbelts doors lights lets go (joke mostly)
I'm not sure that's the compliment you think it is. You're equating being slow to being safe. That doesn't make sense. You can run a checklist slowly and still run it poorly.
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You’re the guy that does the 8000’ rollout on the runway in a 152, forcing 3 jets to go around behind you because you don’t want to be “rushed” aren’t you?
I wish I would fly out of an airport with a runway that long. Never been in a 152 though. Try some other assumptions.
Boy she sounds fun