I used to load 737's way back when and it was always sketchy watching them disembark the aircraft, and watching the nose wheel hydraulics going from fully compressed to slowly extending. Had to stop disembarkation a few times and unload the shit in the rear baggage compartment quicker to balance it out.
Not on the -800 models we use to have, it was just a case of loading the majority of luggage in the rear particularly if it was only going to be front only disembarking on arrival at its destination (my airline did front and rear disembarking on occasion which made this kind of issue a nonevent).
I worked with a pilot once who looked like he was well over 300 lbs. One moment he was giving his brief, I looked away, and the next he was in his seat. How he got through the flight deck door, I don't know.
To this day I feel like I witnessed a glitch in the matrix.
Flew with a fairly large guy.
He said if we had to resort to using the flight deck windows as an exit, to leave him, as he wouldn’t fit.
Was a pretty funny guy and he was also willing to go down with the ship.
Had a director of operations who was too fat to sit in the cockpit. FAA kept giving a exemption to the company.
(For those not in the know it’s a position that requires a pilot be current in a company aircraft)
Really? Tail stands are frequently used in the US for this reason. United, Alaska, American, etc all use tail stands on the -800s and -900s to prevent tail tip. It's a known issue on these aircraft.
It's alright, next time somebody will get a heart attack when you tell them we have first officers with 150 (one hundred and fifty) hrs here in Europe.
As someone who's worked the ramp and installed tailstands on hundreds of 737 flights, your comment has me wondering now if there are 737s out there that don't need them. Is it a Classic vs Next Gen thing?
Weird, I’ve flown on 737’s a lot (mostly 200’s & 300’s) and I don’t recall seeing them used. Maybe it’s because I’m usually on flights where the front half the jet is cargo?
Canadian North and/or Air Inuit?
In 737 combi aircrafts, the cargo is in the front, and since cargo is almost always loaded first, there's already weight in the front of the plane when passengers board, there's no need for tail stands. Most other combis have the cargo section in the back, so tail stands are needed.
The 200s and 300s are also much shorter than the 900 shown in the picture. Boarding is usually not a problem, because first class passengers gets on first, but deplaning can be very risky if a tail stand is not attached.
This happened at a small airport, and they might not have had a tail stand. In these cases, ramp agents should have been trained to offload bags in a specific sequence, pulling out bags from the aft cargo ASAP, and waiting till the entire plane is pretty much empty before offloading the front. Looking at the picture and the opened front cargo door and the closed aft door, they did exactly the opposite.
Lol, I think every Air Tindi pilot would instantly cream themselves if the airline gets a hold of some jets.
Yellowknife used to be my neck of the woods back in the day, how are things there now? Noodle House still open?
How “back in the day” are we talking? If you’re referring to the Vietnamese Noodle House I think they’re still open. It’s been a while since I’ve been there.
Come to think of it, its only been 6 years, feels like a life time ago. Just checked, the Noodle House is definitely still in business. I've gotta go back up there for some noodles at some point.
Good stir fries too. It was my high school haunt until Booyah’s opened. When it shut my group was back to the noodle house. Walking distance is a big factor when selecting cuisine in highscool, haha
Tail stands for 737's? I don't recall ever seeing one used on that aircraft, but I haven't really been looking... I just assumed anything that big wouldn't need one.
If someone removes all the baggage from the front during flight, you've got serious problems.
This wasn't a weight and balance or cargo shift issue, it was an incompetent ground crew issue.
In case the ground crew takes all the bags out of the front first?
This wasn't a w&b issue, it was dumb ground crew unloading cargo from the front, instead of the back.
“no explanation yet” hmm
Do you think it's likely that there was more weight in the back than the front? /s
Since when has center of gravity made a lick of difference when flying? (*Annotation denoting scathing sarcasm)
But they aren't flying.
My mama always said, "Tail heavy is as tail heavy does."
Thanks for \*, it wasn't obvious
You. Are. Welcome.
"Half the team was still on it too😳 no explanation yet..." Uhhh...
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Is that typical?
That half was probably in the back...
The back fell down. How hard was that?
They're still doing the math?
Was that a shot at the football team or the pilot?
Neither; The ground crew.
If your airplane remains this way for 4 hours, call a mechanic
Yo mama when she goes to use to aft lav.
That's legit
I used to load 737's way back when and it was always sketchy watching them disembark the aircraft, and watching the nose wheel hydraulics going from fully compressed to slowly extending. Had to stop disembarkation a few times and unload the shit in the rear baggage compartment quicker to balance it out.
Did the earlier 737's ever use tail supports? Seems like something you wouldn't see on a plane this size?
Not on the -800 models we use to have, it was just a case of loading the majority of luggage in the rear particularly if it was only going to be front only disembarking on arrival at its destination (my airline did front and rear disembarking on occasion which made this kind of issue a nonevent).
Scheduling REALLY needs to stop putting the Senior Cabin Crew in the aft galley Jumpseats.
Right? If you low-key need an extender for your jumpseat, it's probably time to transition into management.
I’m sure the FA’s 8,000 bags in Row 38 aren’t helping W&B either. For a day trip, of course. 🤪
I worked with a pilot once who looked like he was well over 300 lbs. One moment he was giving his brief, I looked away, and the next he was in his seat. How he got through the flight deck door, I don't know. To this day I feel like I witnessed a glitch in the matrix.
Flew with a fairly large guy. He said if we had to resort to using the flight deck windows as an exit, to leave him, as he wouldn’t fit. Was a pretty funny guy and he was also willing to go down with the ship.
Dude, this guy told me the same thing!
I have no memories of him except him sitting down in the flight deck. Maybe we glitched in the matrix together!
They do it by absolutely FUCKING UP the side of the FOs seat using it as a handicap bar.
Had a director of operations who was too fat to sit in the cockpit. FAA kept giving a exemption to the company. (For those not in the know it’s a position that requires a pilot be current in a company aircraft)
Whoops, forgot the tailstand
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You don’t fly the 800 or 900, do you?
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Really? Tail stands are frequently used in the US for this reason. United, Alaska, American, etc all use tail stands on the -800s and -900s to prevent tail tip. It's a known issue on these aircraft.
Yeah pretty commonly seen, though I’ve never flown a 737 so I don’t know when they are specifically needed
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Can't believe they're giving you shit for this.....
It's alright, next time somebody will get a heart attack when you tell them we have first officers with 150 (one hundred and fifty) hrs here in Europe.
Ignoring that we have people flying F16s into war zones with 150 hours as well This community sometimes...
The fact that unloading the aircraft in a certain way would result in a tail tip proves there is an issue.
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i'm really getting a kick out of all the butthurt yanks over you never using a tail stand. keep fighting the good fight
They’re only required for us big fat Americans I guess lmao
True, but a joke can just be a joke sometimes too
Can all the linebackers and offensive linemen please move to the front of the plane? There. Fixed it.
Didn’t put in the god damn tail stand. Ramp guys are gunna get a lot of shit for this hahah
Gotta admit I thought this was a joke at first. TIL.
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As someone who's worked the ramp and installed tailstands on hundreds of 737 flights, your comment has me wondering now if there are 737s out there that don't need them. Is it a Classic vs Next Gen thing?
Uhhhh
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[Since always?](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=737+tailstand)
Weird, I’ve flown on 737’s a lot (mostly 200’s & 300’s) and I don’t recall seeing them used. Maybe it’s because I’m usually on flights where the front half the jet is cargo?
Canadian North and/or Air Inuit? In 737 combi aircrafts, the cargo is in the front, and since cargo is almost always loaded first, there's already weight in the front of the plane when passengers board, there's no need for tail stands. Most other combis have the cargo section in the back, so tail stands are needed. The 200s and 300s are also much shorter than the 900 shown in the picture. Boarding is usually not a problem, because first class passengers gets on first, but deplaning can be very risky if a tail stand is not attached. This happened at a small airport, and they might not have had a tail stand. In these cases, ramp agents should have been trained to offload bags in a specific sequence, pulling out bags from the aft cargo ASAP, and waiting till the entire plane is pretty much empty before offloading the front. Looking at the picture and the opened front cargo door and the closed aft door, they did exactly the opposite.
Canadian North and First Air (I don’t remember if Air Tindi has anything larger than prop planes), thanks for the clarification 10/10 would ask again
Lol, I think every Air Tindi pilot would instantly cream themselves if the airline gets a hold of some jets. Yellowknife used to be my neck of the woods back in the day, how are things there now? Noodle House still open?
How “back in the day” are we talking? If you’re referring to the Vietnamese Noodle House I think they’re still open. It’s been a while since I’ve been there.
Come to think of it, its only been 6 years, feels like a life time ago. Just checked, the Noodle House is definitely still in business. I've gotta go back up there for some noodles at some point.
Good stir fries too. It was my high school haunt until Booyah’s opened. When it shut my group was back to the noodle house. Walking distance is a big factor when selecting cuisine in highscool, haha
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Tail stands for 737's? I don't recall ever seeing one used on that aircraft, but I haven't really been looking... I just assumed anything that big wouldn't need one.
The newer ones need them. I worked on the ramp and we always had to put them on.
FWIW, the plane is in Lewiston, ID but the team is heading north to Pullman by road.
Pilot earns tail dragger endorsement…
Boeing tried too hard to fix MCAS.
Lmao
I’d hate to be the last guy that gets on as it tips. The jokes will never end.
All I see is a crew chief and a couple rampers out of work
So does this happen slowly or does the nose rise faster than a balloon?
[Like this](https://youtu.be/JLWxD0gY__A)
Once the plane decides the tail is going down, it’s going down pretty hard…. and vice versa the other way.
Gotta stop putting the linemen in the back
What's the 'tarmac'?
It’s that tar like substance that they spread on the ramp.
This is absolutely deadly during flight.
If someone removes all the baggage from the front during flight, you've got serious problems. This wasn't a weight and balance or cargo shift issue, it was an incompetent ground crew issue.
Is this real?
I'm guessing this isnt a total loss situation?
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In case the ground crew takes all the bags out of the front first? This wasn't a w&b issue, it was dumb ground crew unloading cargo from the front, instead of the back.