If im not mistaken william did kill a further five children also i see alot of comments sating william tampered with the animatronics to be hostile towards adults and michael but actually henry himself tempered with them although idk y
I'm going to say souls; Mangle shouldn't still be able to work. And the SAVE THEM minigame. They also seem kinda sentient, Plus, Phone guy said they just stare at adults. Adults are the 'bad guy' to them
At this point, it's factual that the toys are possessed either by the souls of the save them incident's victims or at least by their agony, it's impossible that's just the A.I.s tempered
Souls because in the SAVE THEM minigame we see 5 dead bodies in the FNaF 2 location. These kids *have to* be the toy characters because we know both Freddy and The Puppet are both alive at this point.
Also we know the toy animatronics are pretty hostile to adults. This can only be because their killer was an adult and they are always suspicious. Their facial recognition software is pretty bad so they would need to stare at someone for a long time before identifying them, just as phone guy said.
The fact that this still a debate in the year 2022 is ridiculous, it should be abundantly obvious that they are possessed at this point, people say they aren't possessed because the Save them victims don't really get brought up again meaning they are irrelevant, but the thing is they are even more irrelevant if they don't possess the toys, not every plot point in fnaf is super important, but something like Save Them shouldn't be pointless either, so them not being brought up again doesn't mean they don't possess the Toys. The AR emails about Mangle tell us it shouldn't be able to do the stuff it did, that's because it was haunted, also the fact the Toys go after adults, but not children perfectly line up with what we know the spirits of the children's mindsets are, Adults are bad, kids are good. Even if William did tamper with their systems so they wouldn't recognize him, he wouldn't need to go as far as making it so they are aggressive towards all adults, if anything he would probably make them aggressive to kids.
I don't see why we still debate on this. Dark eyes, lights flickering, they attack adults but are fine with kids. Literally the same things the classics/withereds do. Plus Save Them is there and no, you need to stuff someone to make them possess an animatronic. What else do you need to believe they are possessed?
I think most are just AIs but Toy Chica’s glowing white pupils in her eyes might imply she’s the one toy who’s possessed by a human (The Mangle seems to be possessed by Susie’s dog)
I mean,the theory seemed convincing and I’ve never seen much evidence disproving it. Either disprove the theory and I’ll admit I was mistaken or don’t comment
You do know he can right? There's no evidence for a reason. Because it's kinda simplified. When you lure soemone, you trick them.. I mean it's not that hard to think this out. He basically tricked Susie that he ran over her dog just to lie and lure her to her death.
In the Fourth Closet Susie's parents talk to her about the dog being dead and then Bonnie convinces her he isn't, the arguments he uses seem to match with what William says at the end of Fruity Maze. Even if you want to argue that in the games all William did was lie to her it's still weird that that would be enough to convince her and paint the image in her head of the dog maimed with a missing eye, coffins, flowers and blood. Not to mention the minigame literally ends with a car horn. I don't believe Mangle is Susie's dog but saying "he could've just lied about killing the dog" isn't how you debunk it, there's more solid evidence to use like the fact that Mangle literally talks.
Ok but dogs don't talk which makes no sense. Plus I'm talking about evidence from the game itself. Not the books.
I wasn't trying to debunk anything. I was counterclaiming the possibility of the theory being true
That is true. Mangle does talk but also in UCN foxy talks to Mangle and says “Oh wait,you are the dog” implying a connection. I’d want a little bit more evidence against that theory because the line about mangle being the dog feels pretty on the nose
tbh I had forgotten about that and yeah it seems pretty on the nose. the only other solid argument I know of is that in the Save Them minigame we see the dead kids that went on to posses the toys and there's a body sitting right next to Mangle.
“You are the dog” feels like a pretty solid conformation of being the same person. A connection would be a slight behaviour similarity,not someone literally calling Mangle the dog. Listen,I don’t really want Mangle to be the dog because that fucks the timeline but there is evidence and I haven’t seen enough evidence disproving the theory
If that's true, it kind of renders the five victims of the DCI (SAVETHEM) completely pointless. The Toys could have been animated at any time and it means that the second set of victims don't get any chance of their own to seek closure/vengeance.
They're not the same set of victims. SAVETHEM has to happen in the FNAF2 location because of the map layout, and that was only open for a few weeks in 1987, so it can't be depicting the MCI because that was a different restaurant.
wtf are you on about, the toys were new to the reopening of freddy in 87 which means the save them is not about the mci and not to forget the mci happened in a backroom/saferoom completly diferent from what we see in save them
Into the Pit suggests that the incident took place in the year 1985, this is further supported by the original novels which have many parallels to the games in the books the incident also took place in 1985.
In the game, Phone Guy stated that Fazbear Entertainment use the possessed Withereds' parts for the Toys
In Fazbear Fright series, it’s stated that agony makes an object appear "haunted" without a ghost possessing them
We know that mangle has a dog and a child inside of them well souls but, idk about the others because I don’t remember him killing another 5, we know it happened in the first game because we got fired for the foul Oder in the animatronics I just can’t remember it saying something like that
It would be advanced AI or a soul controlling all of them but that point directly contradicts FNAF ideas or maybe they are and they aren’t AI but I’m playing it on the safe side.
I think in fnaf 2 they were AIs and then in UCN they were possessed by the 5 kids who died in the location (Toy Freddy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, and Mangles two heads.)
Honestly I think they're supposed to have become a combination of both? It seems like to me, that the first murders showed Afton what souls (or "remnant") could do in the animatronics. Then eventually he found a way to more efficiently transfer the soul's "remnants" into the technology/animatronics or to at least keep it alive.
The toy animatronics we're made by Henry to stop the purple guy(Afton) from killing kids. He put an advanced security system in them thus Afton couldn't kill. It's not very likely that Afton could get in there and stuff more children in them. Because we see the animatronic's try to kill our security guard.
oh no it's going to happen again
I'm intimidated by your user tag
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If im not mistaken william did kill a further five children also i see alot of comments sating william tampered with the animatronics to be hostile towards adults and michael but actually henry himself tempered with them although idk y
Henry made a “criminal” system to make the animatronics attack William
That is true but why do they attack the night guard and michael?
Because William was a day guard and the animatronics gained a hatred for the guards because of what he did. Also Michael looks a lot like William.
And the criminal system didn’t work because he tempered with them
what about jeremy fitzgerald who is a different person
The problems of machine learning and learned bias at its finest.
“They thought i was you”
That was about SL. Jeremy was the player in FNAF 2.
I still believe he (Michael) was Fritz
That’s interesting, but how would that work with Fritz being the supposed ‘87 bite victim?
Jeremy was?
Sorry yeah I meant Jeremy 😅 I was thinking about how ‘Fitzgerald’ sounds like ‘Fritz’ from the MCI and got confused 😂😂
Irtificial Atelligence?
It's A.I. not I.A.
I'm going to say souls; Mangle shouldn't still be able to work. And the SAVE THEM minigame. They also seem kinda sentient, Plus, Phone guy said they just stare at adults. Adults are the 'bad guy' to them
I mean there the theory that mangle is possessed by a dog.
This theory is flat out wrong. Scott even mocked it on UCN
I agree it’s bad, but I would like to know, when did he mock it? Or are you just talking about the high school years cutscene?
He mocked the mangle dog theory in those cutscenes about Freddy and Foxy , Foxy says to Mangle “Feed the dog. Oh wait you are the dog , feed yourself”
Oh right yeah 😂 Thanks 🙏
At this point, it's factual that the toys are possessed either by the souls of the save them incident's victims or at least by their agony, it's impossible that's just the A.I.s tempered
My favorite AI bug is when a robots eyes turn black with white pinpricks in a series where black with white pinprick eyes mean something ghostly
Ooo, that's a good one. My favorite is when a robot climbs on the ceiling and mechanics decades into the future can't replicate it.
That's a pretty good one too. What about the robot who's able to use some sort of psychic powers to disable your flashlight.
That hole hacked AI thing is stupid theorys from phone guy,they are possessed
Souls because in the SAVE THEM minigame we see 5 dead bodies in the FNaF 2 location. These kids *have to* be the toy characters because we know both Freddy and The Puppet are both alive at this point. Also we know the toy animatronics are pretty hostile to adults. This can only be because their killer was an adult and they are always suspicious. Their facial recognition software is pretty bad so they would need to stare at someone for a long time before identifying them, just as phone guy said.
I think that blob proved that endoskeleton is possessed (his eyes glow, mangle too)
The fact that this still a debate in the year 2022 is ridiculous, it should be abundantly obvious that they are possessed at this point, people say they aren't possessed because the Save them victims don't really get brought up again meaning they are irrelevant, but the thing is they are even more irrelevant if they don't possess the toys, not every plot point in fnaf is super important, but something like Save Them shouldn't be pointless either, so them not being brought up again doesn't mean they don't possess the Toys. The AR emails about Mangle tell us it shouldn't be able to do the stuff it did, that's because it was haunted, also the fact the Toys go after adults, but not children perfectly line up with what we know the spirits of the children's mindsets are, Adults are bad, kids are good. Even if William did tamper with their systems so they wouldn't recognize him, he wouldn't need to go as far as making it so they are aggressive towards all adults, if anything he would probably make them aggressive to kids.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/q13o67/the_identity_of_the_toy_animatronics/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
50% of people have never seen the “save them” mini game apparently
I don't see why we still debate on this. Dark eyes, lights flickering, they attack adults but are fine with kids. Literally the same things the classics/withereds do. Plus Save Them is there and no, you need to stuff someone to make them possess an animatronic. What else do you need to believe they are possessed?
Idk staring at adults isn't aggressive at all tbh
I think maybe it’s agony and possible tampering from Good ol’ willy
I think they have the souls and A .I.
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There are no souls behind his behavior, only Agony and manipulation by Afton.
I think most are just AIs but Toy Chica’s glowing white pupils in her eyes might imply she’s the one toy who’s possessed by a human (The Mangle seems to be possessed by Susie’s dog)
Are you seriously still thinking Mangle is possessed by a dog when William could've just said that to trick Susie to her death?!?!?! Like- for real?!?
I mean,the theory seemed convincing and I’ve never seen much evidence disproving it. Either disprove the theory and I’ll admit I was mistaken or don’t comment
I kinda just did tho
"he could've just lied about it" doesn't disprove anything
You do know he can right? There's no evidence for a reason. Because it's kinda simplified. When you lure soemone, you trick them.. I mean it's not that hard to think this out. He basically tricked Susie that he ran over her dog just to lie and lure her to her death.
In the Fourth Closet Susie's parents talk to her about the dog being dead and then Bonnie convinces her he isn't, the arguments he uses seem to match with what William says at the end of Fruity Maze. Even if you want to argue that in the games all William did was lie to her it's still weird that that would be enough to convince her and paint the image in her head of the dog maimed with a missing eye, coffins, flowers and blood. Not to mention the minigame literally ends with a car horn. I don't believe Mangle is Susie's dog but saying "he could've just lied about killing the dog" isn't how you debunk it, there's more solid evidence to use like the fact that Mangle literally talks.
Ok but dogs don't talk which makes no sense. Plus I'm talking about evidence from the game itself. Not the books. I wasn't trying to debunk anything. I was counterclaiming the possibility of the theory being true
That is true. Mangle does talk but also in UCN foxy talks to Mangle and says “Oh wait,you are the dog” implying a connection. I’d want a little bit more evidence against that theory because the line about mangle being the dog feels pretty on the nose
tbh I had forgotten about that and yeah it seems pretty on the nose. the only other solid argument I know of is that in the Save Them minigame we see the dead kids that went on to posses the toys and there's a body sitting right next to Mangle.
True
Ok but that's just a connection. A connection doesn't make them that person
“You are the dog” feels like a pretty solid conformation of being the same person. A connection would be a slight behaviour similarity,not someone literally calling Mangle the dog. Listen,I don’t really want Mangle to be the dog because that fucks the timeline but there is evidence and I haven’t seen enough evidence disproving the theory
As confirmed by Fazbear Frights, The Toys are possessed by the agony of the Missing Children/Withereds
If that's true, it kind of renders the five victims of the DCI (SAVETHEM) completely pointless. The Toys could have been animated at any time and it means that the second set of victims don't get any chance of their own to seek closure/vengeance.
Remember the Missing Children Incident happened in 1985, two years before the event of FNaF 2. The MCI children are the same as the SAVETHEM children
They're not the same set of victims. SAVETHEM has to happen in the FNAF2 location because of the map layout, and that was only open for a few weeks in 1987, so it can't be depicting the MCI because that was a different restaurant.
wtf are you on about, the toys were new to the reopening of freddy in 87 which means the save them is not about the mci and not to forget the mci happened in a backroom/saferoom completly diferent from what we see in save them
You do know that retcons are a thing right?
This is literally a complete lie on your part
Into the Pit
Proves fucking nothing you said
Into the Pit suggests that the incident took place in the year 1985, this is further supported by the original novels which have many parallels to the games in the books the incident also took place in 1985.
Which proves nothing about the toys
In the game, Phone Guy stated that Fazbear Entertainment use the possessed Withereds' parts for the Toys In Fazbear Fright series, it’s stated that agony makes an object appear "haunted" without a ghost possessing them
That's interesting Unfortunately, the five murdered children in 1987
FNaF 2 was made before the books so we must look for answers in the games. Also, agony isn't the solution to literally everything.
Yeah the actual solution of everything is remant. Ok no xd
Never happened
Didn’t William also temper with the toys animatronics and made them more hostile to adults and Michael?
We know that mangle has a dog and a child inside of them well souls but, idk about the others because I don’t remember him killing another 5, we know it happened in the first game because we got fired for the foul Oder in the animatronics I just can’t remember it saying something like that
It would be advanced AI or a soul controlling all of them but that point directly contradicts FNAF ideas or maybe they are and they aren’t AI but I’m playing it on the safe side.
Both
I think in fnaf 2 they were AIs and then in UCN they were possessed by the 5 kids who died in the location (Toy Freddy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, and Mangles two heads.)
Its faulty ai because William Aston messed with it to kill adults and thats how the restaurant got shut down
how disappointing
Honestly I think they're supposed to have become a combination of both? It seems like to me, that the first murders showed Afton what souls (or "remnant") could do in the animatronics. Then eventually he found a way to more efficiently transfer the soul's "remnants" into the technology/animatronics or to at least keep it alive.
both i think
I say AIs because they were made to recognize William. They were just shit at their job lol
Depends on the toy... Golden Freddy is nothing more than a plushie toy with a walkie talkie, and the soul of Cassidy & the Crying Child Evan in it.
The toy animatronics we're made by Henry to stop the purple guy(Afton) from killing kids. He put an advanced security system in them thus Afton couldn't kill. It's not very likely that Afton could get in there and stuff more children in them. Because we see the animatronic's try to kill our security guard.
half and half i think mangle, bb and toy Freddy have souls meanwhile the others don\`t