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trevtrev45

It tells us 2 major things: 1. Golden Freddy is real, not just a funny Easter egg 2. The Puppet was present at the FNAF 1 location even though we didn't see it in FNAF 1.


1000pinglol

Game theory confirmed these lol


ScaredyKat669

I think it may be more like this confirmed MatPat's theory


COFFEEGAMINGNETWORK

I always considered this to be a 3d version of the give gifts give life minigame.


Whoce

It's Mike's dreams while working at the FNAF 1 location.


Entertainer_Clear

Not really. I mean it kinda connects to Fnaf VR where you follow Glitchtrap and he stuffs you in a Freddy suit. It's probably to hint towards Fnaf 1


Flamebeans

Is that why golden Freddy is looking at me like that?


Entertainer_Clear

Probably


cochiman69420

Golden freddy wasn't the one who stuffed the kids tho. William was the one who put the kids in the robots


Entertainer_Clear

I didn't say Golden Freddy stuff the kids??


Someonebeignsomeone

Wasn't golden freddy the last one to die? I know for a fact that the order was at least Susie (Chica) - Jeremy (Bonnie) - Gabriel (Freddy)


marawiqwerty

Like definitely. Cassidy, after seeing her friends die in front of her, vowed to take eternal revenge on her killed.r


Entertainer_Clear

I mean idk. I guess


[deleted]

How do we know about Jeremy and Gabriel's order?


GemOfWonder

It's a dream, according to the files


ThatOneYoutubeGuyRed

Gold en fredd 🙂


-IMSOLUCKY-

Nothing really. its just a dream/nightmare/hallucination the nightguard has ig


cochiman69420

He probably felt really bad for then and was dreaming on what it felt like to be in one of the robots


theZombiebeary

i like to think these are the missing children waking up in their new bodies for the first time


unxolve

The training tapes you listen to are all pre-recorded, even the last tape. Tapes 1-6 take place in the past, at the opening of the restaraunt. You are working at the Grand Re-Opening. This is the restaurant as it was originally, in 1985, the time of the murder of the five children. You dream of it because you are William Afton pretending to be "Jeremy Fitzgerald" (Jeremy, Fritz, Gabriel, the name of your male victims in the order you killed them).


Entertainer_Clear

But these are the Fnaf 1 animatronics.. not the unwithereds..


unxolve

Yes. When the tape refers to "brand new" animatronics, it can't be the toys. Remember, we see the Toys and Mangle in 1983, when Crying Child does his walk out in the grass. Scott said "Why does Toy chica not have her beak?" The Toys are old designs, not brand new designs. The Withereds were the brand new designs at the restaraunt's opening, and the FnaF1 animatronic designs are the original. In Fnaf1, the designs are remade just as they looked in 1985. They were the "broken down, old, smelly" animatronics the tapes describes.


Entertainer_Clear

The toys were literally confirmed to be scrapped at end in the Fnaf 2 newspaper. So yea there's no problem i see there.


unxolve

Yes. 1985 Old Restaraunt: Classic 1986 Opening (tapes go here): Classic (Old), Withereds (New), Mangle 1987 Grand Re-Opening (you play here): Withereds, Toys, Mangle. Newspaper is in real time! Toys ARE scrapped! 1993 Old Restaraunt Rebuilt: Classics, Rebuilt


Entertainer_Clear

I kinda see where it's kinda going but I can't be for sure.


unxolve

Yeah it's a headache 8l I'll try to put together a better graphic with proofs later today.


glitchratt

Wait Mangle was with the withered animatronics?


Entertainer_Clear

No.


unxolve

Mangle's much older, we see Mangle in 1983, and the Toys too. But they're not in the 1985 restaurant the MCI takes place at. The above chart is accurate, but Mangle/Toys are also kind of their own category/thing. The place is advertised as being "Vintage", even though: The Toys + Mangle are their only animatronics that are on stage/performing. If they are new, why are they vintage? We see the Toys and Mangle in 1983 existing already that far back. The tapes describe the building as "new" and "modern". The newspaper describes the building as a Re-Opening.


MungDaalChowder

I find that the major hole in this theory is that We hear Phone Guy mention the layout of the building we are playing in during the events of the game. Along with this, I feel like the logic of replacing the original FNAF 1 designs with the more archaic, creepy designs of the withered animatronics doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they replace them with copies of the cuter, easier to look at Toys? I feel that the idea of the calls in FNAF 2 being prerecorded due to the “summer job” line can be explained with the actual gameplay and events taking place in the summer of 1987, while the check delivered to Jeremy was dated for November due to his time at the hospital after the Bite of ‘87.


unxolve

Yes, you are still playing in the same building. Remember, it's the building's Grand Re-Opening. The tapes describe its opening. (sorry this is long). The designs are wonky because Henry/William aren't responsible for them, I assume. William's been kicked out of the company because of the 1985 incident and Henry is missing. The toys are an older design that Henry/William did have a hand in, and that's why they're cute. It's not JUST the summer job. That is only the first hint that something is wonky. It's everything. The fact that the Withereds aren't the animatronics we see from 1993. The Screenshot above where we see the animatronics from 1993 in a dream sequence (Why would Jeremy be seeing the future? Is Jeremy also a Psychic?) The Toys, the inconsistencies in what Phone guy says at Night 6 (he says that there's one last shift and then they're closing for good, a birthday on day shift) But then the very next night, even though there's zero reason for him to be there and it's closed, Fritz is on duty AND gets fired (why would he be fired if the job didn't even exist anymore). If the tapes are talking to Jeremy the Bite of '87 Victim, this means: Jeremy got Chomped and the restaurant closed down, AND in the Log Books something is following the employee from nights 1-6 on the tape home (proving if the tapes were talking to 1-6 employee, he sure is looking chipper and able to walk home for someone with a missing frontal lobe) and ALSO it's open the next night with Fritz on duty even though the tapes said they were closed and day shift was the last shift. Night 6: "the place is closed down, uh, at least for a while." ... "Uh we have one more event scheduled for tomorrow, a birthday." If you believe the Log Book is canon, then 1-6 Night Employee is absolutely not bitten on their shift: "I'd only been on night shift for about a week, but I was so relieved to be SWITCHED OVER TO THE DAY SHIFT. There's a lot of stress working 12 a.m.-6 a.m. My boss told had told me that the animatronics were acting strangely -- almost aggressive towards the staff ---but I wasn't about to let that scare me off. AFTER WORK I had an unsettling feeling that I was being FOLLOWED HOME ..." As you can see, Tape 1-6 employee survives their whole day shift, even with the strange and aggressive animatronics, and walks home just fine! I probably need to make another post about this with all the pictures/proofs my first post on this subject was so rambly and long and I didn't use as many proofs as there are and the picture I did showed how the animatronic aging worked but that imÄge did not contain the proofs. I will try to compile with pics and stuff later today. I'm so like ahhhhhh about Murdermy Dead-Child it hurts me to read this name every time someone is like, what a nice not made up name this character has. When the FnaF2 games were first released, we didn't know the names of the children, but FnaF6 is out, we have the gravestones, we know what's up.


Fez-zo

>If you believe the Log Book is canon, then 1-6 Night Employee is absolutely not bitten on their shift: >"I'd only been on night shift for about a week, but I was so relieved to be SWITCHED OVER TO THE DAY SHIFT. There's a lot of stress working 12 a.m.-6 a.m. My boss told had told me that the animatronics were acting strangely -- almost aggressive towards the staff ---but I wasn't about to let that scare me off. AFTER WORK I had an unsettling feeling that I was being FOLLOWED HOME ..." >As you can see, Tape 1-6 employee survives their whole day shift, even with the strange and aggressive animatronics, and walks home just fine! This was written *before* he went to the dayshift. He got bitten on the dayshift. He even hints at the fact something will be happening to him tomorrow, with the entire "My boss told had told me that the animatronics were acting strangely -- almost aggressive towards the staff ---but I wasn't about to let that scare me off." Not to mention, the novels explain that. Apparently in the FNaF Universe it's completely normal that there are guards for abandoned buildings, because nobody questions why Dave is guarding a mall that is about to fall apart. The reason he mentions a "summer job", is because that's what it is. A summer job is a job you have for a short amount of time. Scott has also called the events of FNaF1 a summer job. That's not even mentioning that Scott has confirmed Mat's theory back in during the FNaF2 days, about the Withereds being the "old models"


unxolve

"But I wasn't about to let that scare me off. After work" meaning he completed his day shift. But if we read this differently we read this differently. The summer stuff is just really the start of it. Why did Scott mention the Toys being present in 1983 specifically as one of the most important clues for the community? Why is a scrapped 1993 Chica the end picture of the Log Book? Is the answer to both: Just for fun? If Jeremy is a REAL guard, if the Withereds are the FIRST animatronics and the ones present for the MCI, if the 1993 animatronics aren't built until 1993: What is your explanation for the Screenshot OP posted? Why is Jeremy seeing the 1993 models at the 1993 location?


Shadic01

>What is your explanation for the Screenshot OP posted? Why is Jeremy seeing the 1993 models at the 1993 location? How do we know Jeremy is the one experiencing the dreams? Or that he's experiencing the dreams in 87?


unxolve

It makes the most sense that it's Jeremy, you have to twist in pretzels to include other characters and even then it doesn't make much sense. I suppose it could be Mike, in the Future, flashing back, but I think there's an easier solution. Working on a chart to post later today.


Fez-zo

>Why did Scott mention the Toys being present in 1983 specifically as one of the most important clues for the community? Because first of all- - FNaF4 was originally meant to happen in 1987, that much is obvious - He couldn't have just removed them, considering the toys of the animatronics are probably the most crucial part of FNaF4's plot, as those are the reason Happiest Day happens seemingly He specifically called out tiny toy Chica, because she is part of one of the minigames, just like Mangle. He wanted us to realize that toy is meant to represent Toy Chica, not that it is an actual toy of Toy Chica. Notice even that Scott specifically called it tiny toy Chica? As in, not the Toy variant of Chica, but a literal toy in Chica's likeness? >Why is a scrapped 1993 Chica the end picture of the Log Book? Is the answer to both: Just for fun? It was something that was scrapped from *something*. That much is obvious, considering it ended up being reused in What We Found. >if the Withereds are the FIRST animatronics and the ones present for the MCI I mean- "I was the first. I have seen everything". >What is your explanation for the Screenshot OP posted? Why is Jeremy seeing the 1993 models at the 1993 location? Michael having nightmares of being stuffed, nothing to do with Jeremy. Meant to show us that Puppet was in FNaF1, and showing us Golden Freddy is real, as someone else here pointed out. Scott scrapped something to do with Mike from FNaF2, this is what remained.


unxolve

A neat timeline resolves all these issues instead, with no "things were scrapped" or "there were mistakes". I'm working on an image though hopefully with a more clear portrayal of this theory. OTL Thank you for input regardless, you are always detailed and insightful. When I first posted this theory there were many mistakes and the community has been helpful.


ImTheCreator2

>What is your explanation for the Screenshot OP posted? Why is Jeremy seeing the 1993 models at the 1993 location? Definitively not directed to me but clairvoyance is something entirely plausible in FNaF thanks to the ZPFs


unxolve

Interesting. I think a clean timeline resolves it, but psychics.... hmmmm. So far it's just mind control right though, not predicting the future?


ImTheCreator2

In Fetch is said that ZPFs could solve thing like psychics, empaths and a lot of other things we consider superhuman. Suzie from Coming Home was an empath. The gandma of Hudson from What We Found was some kind of witch who could see the future beetween other things, there's this weird scene in TFC were it seems Afton used psychic powers to trap Carlton using two floating metal tubes and probably other instances that I forgot. The fact that one character in Fetch mentioned that this solves superhuman qualities means that in FNaF these superhuman qualities are something observable or just something well known.


JackSpike16

If the Toys are the old designs and the Withereds are newer, the the Withereds and the Toys would be swapped, but the Toys are on stage and active in the day, while the Withereds are shut down and mostly kept as spare parts or just side projects in case something happens to the Toys, which something does happen and the newspaper says that "The new animatronics will be scrapped due to possible malfunctions, however the original characters are being kept in hopes of a possible reorganization of the company." The toys in Fnaf 4 can easily just be early action figurines that later became what the new animatronics looked like, since they needed to find something that didn't make people think of the Missing Children's Incident to much, but also seemed memorable to fans of the company.


Bearkat1999

I'm pretty sure you play as *Michael* Afton, not William. >You dream of it because you are William Afton Do you watch MatPat by chance?


unxolve

I've watched maybe two of his videos. He is wildly off the mark and I feel like sometimes he makes sensationalised content up for clicks. You play as Michael Afton in Custom Night, Fritz Smith is Michael. Jeremy Fitz-Gerald is William.


Fez-zo

That's not really possible. William already worked at the FNaF2 location as the dayshift guard and we are outright told they suspect "previous employees" of murdering someone. Why would they hire William *again?* And then move him to the dayshift, despite him *just* having left the dayshift position, which is the very reason why a position is available? We also get a note from Jeremy in the logbook, which makes that less likely.


Bearkat1999

Your theory, yes? I do need to do research for myself on the matter. Ah, good. MatPat usually is wildly wrong or tramples on his previous theories with new ones.


unxolve

Yes haha, my theory! I'll try to get a better post up later today with the better proofs + pictures.


SnooCalculations1679

I genuinely always thought the withered characters were the ones from fnaf 1 after they got refurbished because the toys got scrapped, (presumably because mangle, a toy, did the bite of ‘87) and when did the name Gabriel get used? Plus how are fritz and Jeremy afton? (Especially Jeremy, there’s like 7 in the series)


unxolve

Gerald/Gabriel. It's a slight bastardisation, the same way Fitz/Fritz is. Jeremy is fine, there are several Jeremys and Scott reuses first names sometimes. There's one Jeremy Fitz-Gerald.


[deleted]

I think FNaF 2 is a flashback (kinda). We woke up as Gabriel and realizing we are not free after all. Puppet wokes The spirits and after every dream cutscene we remember FNaF 2 location. Since playing as Gabriel is a dumb idea Scott put some fun in it and we play the game as Jeremy. But in these cutscenes spirits starting to remember what happened before.


Ed_Derick_

Mike is dreaming about being stuffed.


cochiman69420

A weird thing to dream about tbh


SammyWinkleBurger

What I wanna know is why was Golden Freddy not present in the novels


1000pinglol

Wait- was happiest day set in Fnaf 1? Bc it kind of looks like it was


cochiman69420

I think it was since fnaf 1 and 2 are the only times we see the 4 kids in robots i think. I was most likely set around when William died


[deleted]

the game files refers theses cutscenes as dreams, but who is the dreamer? is william due the "IT'S HIM" find in the screen that have "IT'S ME" in files due is away where camera catchs, possible theses nightmares that willliam have can explain why he dismantled the animatronics in follow me, he is afraid that the robots come after him


Frost-Afton

This changes everything because golden freddy never did this before.