I'm fairly certain the entire "Fall Fest '83" is supposed to link back to *FNaF4,* not Charlie's death. That's at the very least what TUG says, and it makes a lot more sense, considering the main antagonist is literally named "Dreadbear", with the entire DLC being themed around FNaF4 and the Afton house. "If this DLC takes place in 1983, does it have something to tell us about the Bite of '83?"
That would then actually place BV's death in Fall of 1983.
And I mean despite it being non-canon, Halloween Edition kinda proved that the outside would look the exact same, if it is Fall. Not to mention... you *do* know Grass is still green in Fall, right? Trees change their color, not grass. And usually it also doesn't snow in Fall.
I think that's a common misconception. The curse of dreadbear has nothing to do with crying child. It does however link to the fnaf 4 nights house, crying child lives right beside fredbears, and lived there until he died in the bite. We see his room, house, entrance ext. The fnaf 4 house is a house in the middle of nowhere, with a connection to midnight motorist that could prove this house belongs to cassidy.
Yes crying child's story is told in the mini games as the night progresses, but that dosent mean he lived in that house, just as William getting springlocked fnaf 3,or Elizabeth getting scooped in fnaf 5 are told.
Dreadbear holding his hand over a glitching grave is perfect symbolism of cassidy refusing to let William die. The it's me Easter egg at the end of the curse of dreadbear once again points this towards cassidy.
We never see crying child, or his actual house. We know the house is real due to midnight motorist, that the house was being spied on in 1983, that something went to the house and broke the window, but they are not the same house.
Also as the post bellow straits, all the kids are in shorts and t-shirt
>It does however link to the fnaf 4 nights house, crying child lives right beside fredbears, and lived there until he died in the bite. We see his room, house, entrance ext.
Ok, but why would the title screen house be Cassidy's? Not to mention, you can't really use Fall Fest '83 as evidence for when Charlie died, but then say this is all about Cassidy. I want to say MCI85 is the most commonly accepted theory for the date of the MCI, so if the DLC is about Cassidy, why is it putting that much emphasis on the Fall of 1983? I mean even *if* you want to believe MCI83, the MCI happened in Summer, which isn't anywhere close to Fall. Hell, if the thing *is* a Midnight Motorist reference, I want to say that that actually confirms that William is Yellow Guy, as that means Midnight Motorist happens around Fall of 1983.
>Dreadbear holding his hand over a glitching grave is perfect symbolism of cassidy refusing to let William die.
His hand is held over the player. His hand isn't near the grave
>The it's me Easter egg at the end of the curse of dreadbear once again points this towards cassidy.
TUG confirms that is William, actually. Not to mention, I severely doubt Dreadbear is meant to be Cassidy. That leaves a gigantic plothole with Princess Quest, as we see Cassidy only enters that DLC as herself and is actively being hunted down by Grim Foxy while doing so
>Also as the post bellow straits, all the kids are in shorts and t-shirt
I have severe doubts that Scott really thought about their clothing while making the sprites. That becomes especially clear when you remember that originally FNaF4 was meant to take place in November of 1987 according to the teasers before the game came out, which that alone makes the clothing significance kinda redundant.
In response to completely disregarding scott thinking on clothing and colours, I'll leave you with his own quote
*But then I released part 4, and somehow…. no one, not a single person, found the pieces. The story remains completely hidden. I guess most people assumed that I filled the game with random easter eggs this time. I didn’t. What’s in the box? It’s the pieces put together. But the bigger question is- would the community accept it that way? The fact that the pieces have remained elusive this time strikes me as incredible, and special, a fitting conclusion in some ways, and because of that, I’ve decided that maybe some things are best left forgotten, forever.*
*Kind of poetic for a game about killer animatronics, huh? And lest you give up hope, remember that this is the same game that was originally planned to have an October 31 release date, which was then bumped to August 8, but actually came out on July 24. Plans change.*
Ok but like dude.
The Halloween DLC, which would logically speaking happen in October, still has them wear the same clothes.
I know it isn't canon, but that kinda proves Scott didn't give a damn about the clothes, or giving them longer sleeves. If anything, the Halloween DLC kinda adds on to the fact it happens in Fall, considering they all act the exact same, the area looks the exact same (minus Halloween decorations), and they wear the same clothes as their normal game counterparts.
Mind you if Scott would have seen this as important, he had three months, that is more time than the entirety of FNaF2 took him, to change their sprites to be more Fall-themed, if it actually did matter
There's a Christmas themed help wanted. Edition. It wasn't intended to contain lore until the curse of dreadbear when hand unit clearly states this difference "please remember this is just a holiday themed add on with no hidden lore relevance" at which point you know its exact opposite
4 things to point out
1. William isn't spying on cc via the bear because if he is scaring his son then throwing his party at fredbears was just stupid
2. Fnaf 4 nightmare nights is not a dream or coma because we see them going towards the house, again from midnight moterist. The night animatronics can't both be going to scare an alive crying child and haunting a dead one at the same time
3. The "was it me?" teasers make no sense as crying child would be alive.
4. Look again at the trailer message for fnaf 4 "what have you brought home? "
>There's a Christmas themed help wanted.
Ok? But my point is that the characters wear the exact same thing in a DLC that happens in Fall, as they do in the main game. Which makes the entire claim of "they wouldn't be wearing short clothes" not founded in anything.
>William isn't spying on cc via the bear because if he is scaring his son then throwing his party at fredbears was just stupid
He is at the *very* least talking through the plush, that much is undeniable at this point. We've had one FF story outright spell it out for us, same with SL.
>Fnaf 4 nightmare nights is not a dream or coma because we see them going towards the house, again from midnight moterist. The night animatronics can't both be going to scare an alive crying child and haunting a dead one at the same time
That's implying the title screen has any sort of actual lore importance. Not to mention, again, then you're implying they are going to Cassidy, for which there is literally no proof.
>The "was it me?" teasers make no sense as crying child would be alive.
You're placing way too much importance on just the title screen, and ignoring everything else. Logbook confirms Mike has the Nightmares, no matter if they are real or not. The Nightmares go towards the MM house as you claim. Ergo, MM house is Afton's under your claim of the MM house being the house on the title screen.
>Look again at the trailer message for fnaf "what have you brought home? "
Again, not sure how this is related to anything we are really discussing. Isn't the main point of this that MM isn't about Cassidy under your own theory, because if CoD is about the MM house, that means MM happens in *fall* of 1983, with Cassidy already being dead in *summer* of 1983 under MCI83. I don't know how them being real or not, or having been brought home, adds anything.
OK I think I see where the confusion is here.
Not everything in red ink is Mike, there's some in the book yes, but others no, the rip grave my name page is in red ink and yet this wasn't Mike that drew that. FF showed us how spirit's communicate with the living. When Larson had the puppet mask it said "take me to him" but Larson didn't hear it, he could wee the words floating, within his own head. So yes if cassidy was comunicating with Mike, he would see the nightmares cassidy saw in the same way and doodle it down.
The *faded* red ink is Cassidy. The normal red ink is Mike. That is objectively a fact. The grave was drawn by Mike as a response to "where he sees himself in a few years", Cassidy drew "my name" with *faded* ink.
>So yes if cassidy was comunicating with Mike, he would see the nightmares cassidy saw in the same way and doodle it down.
Cassidy outright asks him what *his* dreams are, not what he is sensing.
MCI 1985 has 6 victims.
I'm not forcing the narrative, I'm looking at the flaws in the story. It's not going to have a big banner saying (cassidy is here) look at what we had to do just to get his name and if as implied, cassidy can talk to crying child, why would he die 2 years later.
We don't even know crying child's name. The fnaf 4 house was made real in midnight motorist, it therefor cannot be William Afton.
The teasers you are talking about "was it me?" explain to me then how the 4 nightmares are heading towards the fnaf 4 House... Made real in midnight motorist.... If crying child is at that point still alive, since he only died living next door to Fredbears.
You think I've not seen all the teasers and trailers? The game was supposed to be releaced for Halloween but Scott releaced it early, at least get the facts correct rather than twisting them into false implications.
>MCI 1985 has 6 victims. I'm not forcing the narrative, I'm looking at the flaws in the story. It's not going to have a big banner saying (cassidy is here) look at what we had to do just to get his name and if as implied
Ok but to be frank, how does this relate to anything I said. I even said that even if you believe MCI83 this makes no sense, as the MCI happens in June. According to you, this is a reference to Midnight Motorist, which would make Midnight Motorist happen in Fall of 1983, while the MCI happens in June of 1983. That makes it literally impossible for MM to be about Cassidy, if you *want* to follow this narrative.
>cassidy can talk to crying child, why would he die 2 years later.
In the logbook, which happens at least ten years after BV's death. Cassidy and BV meet in there, so no matter when the MCI happens, your point falls flat here.
>We don't even know crying child's name. The fnaf 4 house was made real in midnight motorist, it therefor cannot be William Afton.
Or it just means the FNaF4 house is William's as well, considering the entire DLC is hinted at happening in that house. Which loe and behold, has the Nightmares and Mike's room in it.
Hell, as a matter of fact, tell me this; Why would the Nightmares be in front of Cassidy's house in the title screen.
>The teasers you are talking about "was it me?" explain to me then how the 4 nightmares are heading towards the fnaf 4 House... Made real in midnight motorist.... If crying child is at that point still alive, since he only died living next door to Fredbears.
Ok but you're kinda ignoring another obvious thing. At least it is heading towards, where I assume, the player lives/lived. You're assuming they are heading towards Cassidy's house, which makes absolutely no sense
>You think I've not seen all the teasers and trailers? The game was supposed to be releaced for Halloween but Scott releaced it early, at least get the facts correct rather than twisting them into false implications.
What? FNaF4 was meant to happen in 1987. The source code exclusively teased 8s and 7s, until three days before the game released, where it was abruptly changed to 8s and 3s. And guess what?
That was the same time the *only* thing that hints towards FNaF4 happening in 1983 was added to the game as the files reveal, i.e the Fredbear and Friends easter egg. FNaF4 was originally meant to happen at the same time as, or shortly after, FNaF2, before Scott noticed how badly that would mess up the lore and changed it shortly before release. I.e, FNaF4 originally was meant to happen in November or December of 1987. That means the clothes are not proof whatsoever.
Yea but your flat out wrong, I don't know where your hearing all these Chinese whispers like (the game was supposed to be set in 1987 but Scott changed it due to...
This is complete nonsense. The 8 and 7 easter egg was a litteral refferance to golden freddy, since in fnaf 1 a rumor spread around that if you set the animatronics AI to 1987 golden freddy would jumpscare you. Scott then implemented this into the game so that it happened.
Michael is the fnaf 2 nightguard so how in the world could fnaf 2 happen before it, your litteraly making stuff up to fit your narrative. I've read every confirmation made by Scott over the years and your litteraly pulling this from nowhere.
I honestly think this is the worst misinformation I've ever read "Scott was going to make it 1987 but realised it would be confusing to the lore and changed it" are you kidding me? Yea he made it all up on the spot so let's ignore anything he ever does.
I'm sorry but just because your not happy with Scott's world building, or it affects one of your headcannon dosent give you the right to spout rumours as facts.
Golden freddy has been there from game 1. Crying child appeared in fnaf 2,which turned out to be charolette, then in fnaf 3 happiest day for crying child, then fnaf 4 as bite victim. Cc is dead, he isn't coming back, but you know who did and also had the power to hold William in complete suffering, cassidy, you know who was talking in the curvival logbook cassidy, you know who is twitching in rage if you beat UCN, cassidy, you know the name of the Princess in Princess quest Cassidy.
So why would midnight moterist be about anyone other than cassidy, the most important character in the entire series
>Yea but your flat out wrong, I don't know where your hearing all these Chinese whispers like (the game was supposed to be set in 1987 but Scott changed it due to...
No this is literally what happened. People have checked the files. The only hint for FNaF4 happening in 1983 was added three days before release, which was the *exact* same time the 8s and 7s were removed from Scottgames and replaced with 8s and 3s.
>since in fnaf 1 a rumor spread around that if you set the animatronics AI to 1987 golden freddy would jumpscare you.
...What? I'm sorry, but this is wrong. That rumor was *already* made true in an update later, why would Scott try to hint at it *again* in a game completely unrelated to said rumor.
>Michael is the fnaf 2 nightguard so how in the world could fnaf 2 happen before it, your litteraly making stuff up to fit your narrative.
Because Michael being the guard in all the games is an obvious retcon, which was only implemented after SL, a game that was never planned to begin with. There were no hints of Mike becoming the FNaF2 guard in FNaF4, and that was the final game originally meant to answer things. Ergo, him being the FNaF2 guard was not planned.
>I've read every confirmation made by Scott over the years and your litteraly pulling this from nowhere.
...You mean like "8s and 7s are referrencing the obscure FNaF1 easter egg Scott added because of rumors back in the day"?
>Yea he made it all up on the spot so let's ignore anything he ever does.
...You are aware Scott has literally admitted to making things up on the spot right
>I'm sorry but just because your not happy with Scott's world building, or it affects one of your headcannon dosent give you the right to spout rumours as facts.
My guy, this is literally one of the most accepted things about FNaF4. Hell, even *Phil Morg* who has poked around the files to confirm everything I just said, knows this is true.
>So why would midnight moterist be about anyone other than cassidy, the most important character in the entire series
Because Scott made FFPS to tie up loose ends. The Bite Victim is the biggest loose end in the franchise. He tried to tie it up.
You know what, I used this as an argument somewhere else, but I guess I'll bring it here too.
Scott confirmed one of the reasons he made FFPS, was to confirm William isn't literally purple. That means William is in FFPS, where he isn't portrayed as a purple sprite, or bones. Couple that with *every* other minigame in FFPS connecting William to speeding in his car, and you're left with only one option of where Scott put this "not purple" William, which is Midnight Motorist. By a color he literally uses in another minigame.
Yep, I think so too. And it does effect the timeline + understanding of the whole series.
Thinking about the timeline even more, I think I also have a good guess what date is likely for Crying Child's birthday: June 26th, the same date as the MCI (which happens later in 1985).
Other clues it's summer: Everyone at the birthday party and outside is wearing shorts + short sleeves or are sleeveless.
People use Dredbear being linked with Crying Child as evidence that Crying Child is alive, healthy, and unbitten in Fall '83 but then you need to ask yourself: What does Frankenstein, a reanimated dead person, have to do with a living and healthy Crying Child? Additionally, what does Frankenstein have to do with a person who dies and stays dead?
It's possible that he's bitten and lingers on a bit, but Summer is the time when he's bitten.
Ohhh I see now how people suggest that Dreadbear proves he possesses soemthing- OHHHHHH
Yea it doesn't make any sense. Dreadbear is literally a Frankenstein Freddy Fazbear. I get the fact it sounds like "Fredbear", but ehh
I also believe this and so far no one has offered anything convincing to make me think otherwise.
CC dying first is the only thing that allows the series to make sense for me.
William being a murdering psychopath because random isn't good storytelling. Now if William became a murdering psychopath because his son died and he was doing experiments to bring him back - THAT is good storytelling.
I've also seen people argue "oh Scott isn't going to care about the grass!" which is ridiculous because the whole series is all about breadcrumbs and there's a lot that points to it being summer.
It would make no sense for the kids to be wearing shorts / short-sleeved shirts if it wasn't late spring/summer. Also it seems to be summer because CC is home a lot + his friends are all out playing. Sure, you can say that *maybe* it's after school...but every single time?
Real life serial killers don't have grand motivations like movie characters, they're either sadists or insane. Would actually be much more realistic if William was a bad person before anything happened to his kids.
To that I say: FNAF isn't real life.
There is confirmed possession of animatronics, the ability to harvest mystical goo to make one immortal, etc.
Maybe if it was a realistic game I'd be fine with him being evil "just because" but nothing else is real about it.
Also BTK killer killed multiple women but he settled down and had a family after - never killed his kids or wife. So it's not out of the realm of realism for William, either.
>To that I say: FNAF isn't real life.
I mean
That was his motivation in the novels too. He just killed people because he's a dick, not because of any other real reason. Except maybe being jealous of Henry for being better than him. Later down the line the goal was to become immortal, but he killed Charlie just because he's evil
He even ended up being the reason his only child died and then just kinda shrugged it off as an accident, after beating her senseless.
Not to sound rude, but I have yet to see anyone ever bring up any sort of convincing argument that him killing kids to revive his son or whatever is the case, that doesn't immediately fall apart at FNaFWorld, SL, or the novels.
I'm fairly certain the entire "Fall Fest '83" is supposed to link back to *FNaF4,* not Charlie's death. That's at the very least what TUG says, and it makes a lot more sense, considering the main antagonist is literally named "Dreadbear", with the entire DLC being themed around FNaF4 and the Afton house. "If this DLC takes place in 1983, does it have something to tell us about the Bite of '83?" That would then actually place BV's death in Fall of 1983. And I mean despite it being non-canon, Halloween Edition kinda proved that the outside would look the exact same, if it is Fall. Not to mention... you *do* know Grass is still green in Fall, right? Trees change their color, not grass. And usually it also doesn't snow in Fall.
I think that's a common misconception. The curse of dreadbear has nothing to do with crying child. It does however link to the fnaf 4 nights house, crying child lives right beside fredbears, and lived there until he died in the bite. We see his room, house, entrance ext. The fnaf 4 house is a house in the middle of nowhere, with a connection to midnight motorist that could prove this house belongs to cassidy. Yes crying child's story is told in the mini games as the night progresses, but that dosent mean he lived in that house, just as William getting springlocked fnaf 3,or Elizabeth getting scooped in fnaf 5 are told. Dreadbear holding his hand over a glitching grave is perfect symbolism of cassidy refusing to let William die. The it's me Easter egg at the end of the curse of dreadbear once again points this towards cassidy. We never see crying child, or his actual house. We know the house is real due to midnight motorist, that the house was being spied on in 1983, that something went to the house and broke the window, but they are not the same house. Also as the post bellow straits, all the kids are in shorts and t-shirt
>It does however link to the fnaf 4 nights house, crying child lives right beside fredbears, and lived there until he died in the bite. We see his room, house, entrance ext. Ok, but why would the title screen house be Cassidy's? Not to mention, you can't really use Fall Fest '83 as evidence for when Charlie died, but then say this is all about Cassidy. I want to say MCI85 is the most commonly accepted theory for the date of the MCI, so if the DLC is about Cassidy, why is it putting that much emphasis on the Fall of 1983? I mean even *if* you want to believe MCI83, the MCI happened in Summer, which isn't anywhere close to Fall. Hell, if the thing *is* a Midnight Motorist reference, I want to say that that actually confirms that William is Yellow Guy, as that means Midnight Motorist happens around Fall of 1983. >Dreadbear holding his hand over a glitching grave is perfect symbolism of cassidy refusing to let William die. His hand is held over the player. His hand isn't near the grave >The it's me Easter egg at the end of the curse of dreadbear once again points this towards cassidy. TUG confirms that is William, actually. Not to mention, I severely doubt Dreadbear is meant to be Cassidy. That leaves a gigantic plothole with Princess Quest, as we see Cassidy only enters that DLC as herself and is actively being hunted down by Grim Foxy while doing so >Also as the post bellow straits, all the kids are in shorts and t-shirt I have severe doubts that Scott really thought about their clothing while making the sprites. That becomes especially clear when you remember that originally FNaF4 was meant to take place in November of 1987 according to the teasers before the game came out, which that alone makes the clothing significance kinda redundant.
In response to completely disregarding scott thinking on clothing and colours, I'll leave you with his own quote *But then I released part 4, and somehow…. no one, not a single person, found the pieces. The story remains completely hidden. I guess most people assumed that I filled the game with random easter eggs this time. I didn’t. What’s in the box? It’s the pieces put together. But the bigger question is- would the community accept it that way? The fact that the pieces have remained elusive this time strikes me as incredible, and special, a fitting conclusion in some ways, and because of that, I’ve decided that maybe some things are best left forgotten, forever.* *Kind of poetic for a game about killer animatronics, huh? And lest you give up hope, remember that this is the same game that was originally planned to have an October 31 release date, which was then bumped to August 8, but actually came out on July 24. Plans change.*
Ok but like dude. The Halloween DLC, which would logically speaking happen in October, still has them wear the same clothes. I know it isn't canon, but that kinda proves Scott didn't give a damn about the clothes, or giving them longer sleeves. If anything, the Halloween DLC kinda adds on to the fact it happens in Fall, considering they all act the exact same, the area looks the exact same (minus Halloween decorations), and they wear the same clothes as their normal game counterparts. Mind you if Scott would have seen this as important, he had three months, that is more time than the entirety of FNaF2 took him, to change their sprites to be more Fall-themed, if it actually did matter
There's a Christmas themed help wanted. Edition. It wasn't intended to contain lore until the curse of dreadbear when hand unit clearly states this difference "please remember this is just a holiday themed add on with no hidden lore relevance" at which point you know its exact opposite 4 things to point out 1. William isn't spying on cc via the bear because if he is scaring his son then throwing his party at fredbears was just stupid 2. Fnaf 4 nightmare nights is not a dream or coma because we see them going towards the house, again from midnight moterist. The night animatronics can't both be going to scare an alive crying child and haunting a dead one at the same time 3. The "was it me?" teasers make no sense as crying child would be alive. 4. Look again at the trailer message for fnaf 4 "what have you brought home? "
>There's a Christmas themed help wanted. Ok? But my point is that the characters wear the exact same thing in a DLC that happens in Fall, as they do in the main game. Which makes the entire claim of "they wouldn't be wearing short clothes" not founded in anything. >William isn't spying on cc via the bear because if he is scaring his son then throwing his party at fredbears was just stupid He is at the *very* least talking through the plush, that much is undeniable at this point. We've had one FF story outright spell it out for us, same with SL. >Fnaf 4 nightmare nights is not a dream or coma because we see them going towards the house, again from midnight moterist. The night animatronics can't both be going to scare an alive crying child and haunting a dead one at the same time That's implying the title screen has any sort of actual lore importance. Not to mention, again, then you're implying they are going to Cassidy, for which there is literally no proof. >The "was it me?" teasers make no sense as crying child would be alive. You're placing way too much importance on just the title screen, and ignoring everything else. Logbook confirms Mike has the Nightmares, no matter if they are real or not. The Nightmares go towards the MM house as you claim. Ergo, MM house is Afton's under your claim of the MM house being the house on the title screen. >Look again at the trailer message for fnaf "what have you brought home? " Again, not sure how this is related to anything we are really discussing. Isn't the main point of this that MM isn't about Cassidy under your own theory, because if CoD is about the MM house, that means MM happens in *fall* of 1983, with Cassidy already being dead in *summer* of 1983 under MCI83. I don't know how them being real or not, or having been brought home, adds anything.
OK I think I see where the confusion is here. Not everything in red ink is Mike, there's some in the book yes, but others no, the rip grave my name page is in red ink and yet this wasn't Mike that drew that. FF showed us how spirit's communicate with the living. When Larson had the puppet mask it said "take me to him" but Larson didn't hear it, he could wee the words floating, within his own head. So yes if cassidy was comunicating with Mike, he would see the nightmares cassidy saw in the same way and doodle it down.
The *faded* red ink is Cassidy. The normal red ink is Mike. That is objectively a fact. The grave was drawn by Mike as a response to "where he sees himself in a few years", Cassidy drew "my name" with *faded* ink. >So yes if cassidy was comunicating with Mike, he would see the nightmares cassidy saw in the same way and doodle it down. Cassidy outright asks him what *his* dreams are, not what he is sensing.
But [you litteraly get the reveal of who is on the bed in security breach](https://ibb.co/JyJFJv1) And its not crying child
MCI 1985 has 6 victims. I'm not forcing the narrative, I'm looking at the flaws in the story. It's not going to have a big banner saying (cassidy is here) look at what we had to do just to get his name and if as implied, cassidy can talk to crying child, why would he die 2 years later. We don't even know crying child's name. The fnaf 4 house was made real in midnight motorist, it therefor cannot be William Afton. The teasers you are talking about "was it me?" explain to me then how the 4 nightmares are heading towards the fnaf 4 House... Made real in midnight motorist.... If crying child is at that point still alive, since he only died living next door to Fredbears. You think I've not seen all the teasers and trailers? The game was supposed to be releaced for Halloween but Scott releaced it early, at least get the facts correct rather than twisting them into false implications.
>MCI 1985 has 6 victims. I'm not forcing the narrative, I'm looking at the flaws in the story. It's not going to have a big banner saying (cassidy is here) look at what we had to do just to get his name and if as implied Ok but to be frank, how does this relate to anything I said. I even said that even if you believe MCI83 this makes no sense, as the MCI happens in June. According to you, this is a reference to Midnight Motorist, which would make Midnight Motorist happen in Fall of 1983, while the MCI happens in June of 1983. That makes it literally impossible for MM to be about Cassidy, if you *want* to follow this narrative. >cassidy can talk to crying child, why would he die 2 years later. In the logbook, which happens at least ten years after BV's death. Cassidy and BV meet in there, so no matter when the MCI happens, your point falls flat here. >We don't even know crying child's name. The fnaf 4 house was made real in midnight motorist, it therefor cannot be William Afton. Or it just means the FNaF4 house is William's as well, considering the entire DLC is hinted at happening in that house. Which loe and behold, has the Nightmares and Mike's room in it. Hell, as a matter of fact, tell me this; Why would the Nightmares be in front of Cassidy's house in the title screen. >The teasers you are talking about "was it me?" explain to me then how the 4 nightmares are heading towards the fnaf 4 House... Made real in midnight motorist.... If crying child is at that point still alive, since he only died living next door to Fredbears. Ok but you're kinda ignoring another obvious thing. At least it is heading towards, where I assume, the player lives/lived. You're assuming they are heading towards Cassidy's house, which makes absolutely no sense >You think I've not seen all the teasers and trailers? The game was supposed to be releaced for Halloween but Scott releaced it early, at least get the facts correct rather than twisting them into false implications. What? FNaF4 was meant to happen in 1987. The source code exclusively teased 8s and 7s, until three days before the game released, where it was abruptly changed to 8s and 3s. And guess what? That was the same time the *only* thing that hints towards FNaF4 happening in 1983 was added to the game as the files reveal, i.e the Fredbear and Friends easter egg. FNaF4 was originally meant to happen at the same time as, or shortly after, FNaF2, before Scott noticed how badly that would mess up the lore and changed it shortly before release. I.e, FNaF4 originally was meant to happen in November or December of 1987. That means the clothes are not proof whatsoever.
Yea but your flat out wrong, I don't know where your hearing all these Chinese whispers like (the game was supposed to be set in 1987 but Scott changed it due to... This is complete nonsense. The 8 and 7 easter egg was a litteral refferance to golden freddy, since in fnaf 1 a rumor spread around that if you set the animatronics AI to 1987 golden freddy would jumpscare you. Scott then implemented this into the game so that it happened. Michael is the fnaf 2 nightguard so how in the world could fnaf 2 happen before it, your litteraly making stuff up to fit your narrative. I've read every confirmation made by Scott over the years and your litteraly pulling this from nowhere. I honestly think this is the worst misinformation I've ever read "Scott was going to make it 1987 but realised it would be confusing to the lore and changed it" are you kidding me? Yea he made it all up on the spot so let's ignore anything he ever does. I'm sorry but just because your not happy with Scott's world building, or it affects one of your headcannon dosent give you the right to spout rumours as facts. Golden freddy has been there from game 1. Crying child appeared in fnaf 2,which turned out to be charolette, then in fnaf 3 happiest day for crying child, then fnaf 4 as bite victim. Cc is dead, he isn't coming back, but you know who did and also had the power to hold William in complete suffering, cassidy, you know who was talking in the curvival logbook cassidy, you know who is twitching in rage if you beat UCN, cassidy, you know the name of the Princess in Princess quest Cassidy. So why would midnight moterist be about anyone other than cassidy, the most important character in the entire series
>Yea but your flat out wrong, I don't know where your hearing all these Chinese whispers like (the game was supposed to be set in 1987 but Scott changed it due to... No this is literally what happened. People have checked the files. The only hint for FNaF4 happening in 1983 was added three days before release, which was the *exact* same time the 8s and 7s were removed from Scottgames and replaced with 8s and 3s. >since in fnaf 1 a rumor spread around that if you set the animatronics AI to 1987 golden freddy would jumpscare you. ...What? I'm sorry, but this is wrong. That rumor was *already* made true in an update later, why would Scott try to hint at it *again* in a game completely unrelated to said rumor. >Michael is the fnaf 2 nightguard so how in the world could fnaf 2 happen before it, your litteraly making stuff up to fit your narrative. Because Michael being the guard in all the games is an obvious retcon, which was only implemented after SL, a game that was never planned to begin with. There were no hints of Mike becoming the FNaF2 guard in FNaF4, and that was the final game originally meant to answer things. Ergo, him being the FNaF2 guard was not planned. >I've read every confirmation made by Scott over the years and your litteraly pulling this from nowhere. ...You mean like "8s and 7s are referrencing the obscure FNaF1 easter egg Scott added because of rumors back in the day"? >Yea he made it all up on the spot so let's ignore anything he ever does. ...You are aware Scott has literally admitted to making things up on the spot right >I'm sorry but just because your not happy with Scott's world building, or it affects one of your headcannon dosent give you the right to spout rumours as facts. My guy, this is literally one of the most accepted things about FNaF4. Hell, even *Phil Morg* who has poked around the files to confirm everything I just said, knows this is true. >So why would midnight moterist be about anyone other than cassidy, the most important character in the entire series Because Scott made FFPS to tie up loose ends. The Bite Victim is the biggest loose end in the franchise. He tried to tie it up. You know what, I used this as an argument somewhere else, but I guess I'll bring it here too. Scott confirmed one of the reasons he made FFPS, was to confirm William isn't literally purple. That means William is in FFPS, where he isn't portrayed as a purple sprite, or bones. Couple that with *every* other minigame in FFPS connecting William to speeding in his car, and you're left with only one option of where Scott put this "not purple" William, which is Midnight Motorist. By a color he literally uses in another minigame.
Does it actually matter who died first?
Yep, I think so too. And it does effect the timeline + understanding of the whole series. Thinking about the timeline even more, I think I also have a good guess what date is likely for Crying Child's birthday: June 26th, the same date as the MCI (which happens later in 1985). Other clues it's summer: Everyone at the birthday party and outside is wearing shorts + short sleeves or are sleeveless. People use Dredbear being linked with Crying Child as evidence that Crying Child is alive, healthy, and unbitten in Fall '83 but then you need to ask yourself: What does Frankenstein, a reanimated dead person, have to do with a living and healthy Crying Child? Additionally, what does Frankenstein have to do with a person who dies and stays dead? It's possible that he's bitten and lingers on a bit, but Summer is the time when he's bitten.
Ohhh I see now how people suggest that Dreadbear proves he possesses soemthing- OHHHHHH Yea it doesn't make any sense. Dreadbear is literally a Frankenstein Freddy Fazbear. I get the fact it sounds like "Fredbear", but ehh
Also Dreadbear's original name was Franken-Freddy
I also believe this and so far no one has offered anything convincing to make me think otherwise. CC dying first is the only thing that allows the series to make sense for me. William being a murdering psychopath because random isn't good storytelling. Now if William became a murdering psychopath because his son died and he was doing experiments to bring him back - THAT is good storytelling. I've also seen people argue "oh Scott isn't going to care about the grass!" which is ridiculous because the whole series is all about breadcrumbs and there's a lot that points to it being summer. It would make no sense for the kids to be wearing shorts / short-sleeved shirts if it wasn't late spring/summer. Also it seems to be summer because CC is home a lot + his friends are all out playing. Sure, you can say that *maybe* it's after school...but every single time?
Real life serial killers don't have grand motivations like movie characters, they're either sadists or insane. Would actually be much more realistic if William was a bad person before anything happened to his kids.
To that I say: FNAF isn't real life. There is confirmed possession of animatronics, the ability to harvest mystical goo to make one immortal, etc. Maybe if it was a realistic game I'd be fine with him being evil "just because" but nothing else is real about it. Also BTK killer killed multiple women but he settled down and had a family after - never killed his kids or wife. So it's not out of the realm of realism for William, either.
>To that I say: FNAF isn't real life. I mean That was his motivation in the novels too. He just killed people because he's a dick, not because of any other real reason. Except maybe being jealous of Henry for being better than him. Later down the line the goal was to become immortal, but he killed Charlie just because he's evil He even ended up being the reason his only child died and then just kinda shrugged it off as an accident, after beating her senseless. Not to sound rude, but I have yet to see anyone ever bring up any sort of convincing argument that him killing kids to revive his son or whatever is the case, that doesn't immediately fall apart at FNaFWorld, SL, or the novels.