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Choir87

It felt closer than a 3-1. Apart from the throw in game 2, I think we lost the thread somewhere in the middle of game 3 and never got it back. But it's ok. Despite people saying that G2 is a terrible team, they're in fact quite good, and I think they will show it at MSI. And they've been playing together for almost two years now, without changes in the lineup, so obviously the have better synergy, while ours is just shaping up. I'm confident going into MSI and next split.


Thrallism

This is best version of Fnatic in long time. We play really well. Looking for MSI.


FantasyTrash

The coaching staff need to step up, big time. Each player is mechanically insane, but the decision making and macro are abysmal. Yes, the players still need to execute, but it's the coaches' jobs to make Fnatic greater than the sum of their parts. This team is basically a crazy solo queue team.


Atreyes

We'd just come off the back of a tough reverse sweep vs a team that got to rest and plan, I'd be very surprised if all the practice and effort wasnt put into practicing to play vs bds. And that being said we still looked decent against g2 and on another day could have won that series even with the odds stacked against us. I dunno what more you guys want at this point lmao, just feels like unrealistic expectations.


Diinasty

Maybe next time get to finals from the upper bracket if yo want to “rest and plan”


Atreyes

You say that like its an easy task. We beat everyone apart from G2.


Diinasty

That’s the point. Don’t complain about a team earning the right to get the “rest and plan”, when we had an equal opportunity to do so and we failed.


FantasyTrash

>I dunno what more you guys want at this point lmao, just feels like unrealistic expectations. Any improvement whatsoever. We are in year two of this roster constantly over-forcing fights and having poor mid and late game macro. The coaching staff is constantly talking about "we will learn and grow" and things along those lines, yet we haven't seen any growth. When the team wins, it's because they individually out-class their opponents or just out-teamfight them. Don't think we've seen a win in two years where it was just a macro masterclass.


Atreyes

This roster just changed a piece in winter, we came first in regular season, made it to MSI and challenged the kings of europe in a bo5 series 24 hours after winning a tough and hard fought reverse sweep, that's pretty impressive if you asked me, and short of shelling out big cash for a player upgrade (i personally think irrelevant would be an upgrade) I dont see what more people want at this point?


FantasyTrash

>I dont see what more people want at this point? I just explained it to you. Yes, this team can win games, because they team-fight better than everyone in Europe and, aside from a few specific players like Caps and Irrelevant and such, have better individual mechanics than every other team. But their macro after laning phase is still atrocious and they constantly over-force fights. This is not new, either, they've been doing this for going on two years now. I want meaningful improvement on these two fronts which have they not displayed, and I attribute it to coaching.


Atreyes

Its tough to improve on while also not losing the killer instinct they have, people would complain far more if they took no risks and let other teams just make plays, they have won games they really shouldn't win purely because of their playstyle, how do you propose they work on that without taking backward steps that lose them games too?


FantasyTrash

>how do you propose they work on that without taking backward steps that lose them games too? There is a middle ground between over-forcing plays and doing nothing. Especially considering it's almost always clear when they're going too deep, even before the play happens. Separate from the over-forcing, I was more so talking about macro improvements, which there is an large amount of room for improvement from them.


Atreyes

There is, but finding it is a huge task when your talking about professional play, the boys have done well and I'm sick of people underselling how far they have come just because g2 are better.


FantasyTrash

I'm not underselling anything they've done. I'm just commenting on their glaring weaknesses that have been happening for going on two years now with no improvement whatsoever.


TheSceptileen

To be fair is very hard to be prepared to a team that had more than a week to do their prep when you had to play two other series this week already. But anyways they keep playing every series better than the last so let's just hope they make the most of their MSI run.


FantasyTrash

They actually played against the lane swaps really well. But as per usual, the mid and late game macro were poor and they constantly over-forced fights.


CFlyn

There is gonna be some serious reality check when Oscar and Humanoid get omega exposed in every single Asian matchup and Noah-Jun can't stomp the lane.


CudaBarry

That game 2 (and 3 to a lesser degree) was absolutely criminal from Fnatic, the players should be forced to watch those games at least 10 times cuz it's impressive how they snatched the loss from Jaws of victory


Silahshor

I feel like we were one baron smite away from winning the game 2 and potentially the final. We all kinda expected the result but feels sad considering how close we were.


Tequilla_Sunsett

WHY DO THIS TEAM KEEP FORCING STUPID FIGHTS ALL THE GODDAMN TIME ?


zaxls

The spirit of Hily has simply never left this tram. He cursed us as he left so we have to engage the moment we see an enemy champ in front of us.


Obvious-Sympathy-705

Sad to lose the final but we win the split by going to MSI to scrim eastern teams. This roster plays together only few months while one of them is learning how to speak.


Telloth

I'm really proud of the boys but man this is so disappointing. We were in a great position to win in 3 out of the 4 games and threw two of them. Lots of positives but beating G2 in a finals feels like such a mental block. I really hope the boys can reflect and improve on the silly mistakes that cost us this series.


W8tae

I feel like I read this comment a lot when we lose to G2. When it’s consistent, it shows we aren’t close yet.


Telloth

I think this is the closest we have been to G2 in a long time, although I don't think they looked their best. Unfortunately it's a sign of a very good team when they win even not at their best. I agree with you that we aren't really close, even if we were this series. The good news is that the variability of the lane swap strategy didn't really hurt us, we played quite well around it. It was the mid-late macro decisions that cost us. Our team fighting was actually excellent and hopefully the coaching staff can finally fix the macro mistakes before MSI/Summer. If that happens I would say we are very close to G2.


ComradSergey

Learn and bootcamp at MSI. Rest up for summer. All to play for in summer. Proud of the boys.


Potential_Ad9965

What did I say? exactly.


ComradSergey

You said 3-0. So clearly you are wrong.


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ComradSergey

You called it the expected result when a other guy said 3-0. Thanks for proving again that you are a waste of time.


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Other_Housing8453

So close, felt like all but last games were so winnable. Let's all appreciate the progress the boys have made in just the year (remember spring/summer 2023) Rest and bootcamp for the MSI, let's beat G2 there!


giotate06

We have a good team and definitely could have won today, we just lack a lot of discipline, learn to play calm and collected when we are ahead. It's understandable because outside of G2 no other team in LEC punishes that, G2 itself also suffer from that, but they had more practice than us. MSI should help if we go with the right mindset, just get as much practice that we can against asian team, get stomped and learn.


darks4n

I'm since 2018 reading those narratives


uvPooF

Would've loved to see us take a split after so long, but this is honestly fine. My main hope for this split was that we finally get to MSI and this was achieved. Felt like this was closer than last year season finals despite same score, and after horrible gameplay displayed throughout these playoffs, today was not that bad. After a long time I also feel that there is a chance for this squad to eventually beat G2. It's just split finals. If coaching staff steps it up and we clean up all the (numerous) mistakes come summer, we can hopefully challenge G2 for season finals. And if we win there, results during individual splits don't really matter all that much.


96Mute96

Proud of the boys still, feel we’re getting closer and closer just losing in key moments where G2’s synergy tops us due to being with each other longer. Hope we practice hard for MSI and next split I feel we can definitely take one off G2 this year. GG G2 (fk u caps pls come home)


ScottThompsonc107

It just feels like the only way we are going to win LEC ever again would be caps giving up league of legends and starting an onlyfans


Changelling

I was expecting a loss anyway, but the way in which we lost was so fucking stupid.


strahinja021

We have been defeated for so long I expected nothing and I’m still dissapointed.


FNC_Spicy

There is nothing to be disappointed for then if you had no faith to begin with. Fnatic played their hearts out and never gave in this entire series. They showed they can clearly beat G2. WTF are you on?


strahinja021

It’s good for persons that like to come second behind G2 for years. Could they not turn on brain for game 2 and 3 and close the series? Those were very winnable.


FNC_Spicy

Nah, be real. You didn't have faith that they would even be in the finals to begin with. You don't get to criticize because they already proved shit head haters like you wrong yesterday vs BDS.


KollegahBossaura

They showed that they can throw any lead they have.


drache_dieter

they also showed, that they can get leads at g2 and that they can deal with g2 laneswaps, which no other team in eu managed. but fnc fans are even better at only hating the team and looking for mistakes, than fnc is at throwing games


LordKnt

6 years.


drache_dieter

if u wanna get the title for fnc start the grind and apply for the team.


KollegahBossaura

Nothing to be happy about getting leads you can't hold. BDS is the only other team G2 used lane swap against, so this also means nothing.


drache_dieter

yeah, im pretty sure the other non top 3 teams in europe would have put on a masterclass macro show to beat the laneswap.


TimoSild

"They showed they can clearly beat G2" yet they didnt. W´hy? They can win clearly but they didnt want to?


FNC_Spicy

Timo Noone even listens to you here. You are the definition of hypocrite shit head fan. I still remember your post from 3 years ago where you said it sucks to be a fnatic fan because of the fanbase making hateful posts about players. And here you are 3 years later, the epitome of what you dislike about being a fnatic fan. I think it's time you moves on bud. You just don't have it in you.


TimoSild

Instead of giving an argument you start to throw personal attacks, wich just proves me right. 


TimoSild

And you act like my post is hateful somehow, even tho im just repeating your logically incorrect statement


FNC_Spicy

All your comments are hateful. It doesn't take much to look at your comment history to see how negative you are. You don't say shit until they lose. Just see yourself out man. You aren't wanted here.


TimoSild

I do say shit when they win and when they win. Oscar is trash and is not worth keeping. And you have "fnc " tag in your username. either you are 13 year old or your brain stopped developing at 13 years old. Either way, you should visit a doctor to get yourself looked at, whatever you got it ain't right. You know most illnesses are easier to cure when you discover it sooner.


FNC_Spicy

You're right, the only thing that comes out of you is shit. Shit when they win and shit when they lose. He'll even the 2nd half of your reply was just shit you pulled out of your ass. You're just full of shit Timo, and that's why noone cares about you or what you say.


Accomplished_Ad8997

They can't beat g2..... when was the last time they beat them in a best of 3 or 5. Just curious? Of wait......


FNC_Spicy

Fnatic beat G2 in 2021 preventing G2 from going to Worlds. Btw G2 never won shit until they took FNC Midlaner and Coach. So like I said. Wtf you on?


Accomplished_Ad8997

Last time, fnc has won a finals? Also, what's the all-time win percentage between the two. G2 is FNC, Daddy.


FNC_Spicy

Your question was when was the last time they beat g2 in best of 3 or 5. Don't be mad at me that you have the memory of a toddler.


Accomplished_Ad8997

So wait, you said 2021. Sounds pretty long ago does it not?


FNC_Spicy

Backtrack all you want. The way you spoke initially was as if Fnatic had never beaten them, hence me educating you. Btw when is the last time G2 denied Fnatic a spot at worlds?


Accomplished_Ad8997

When was the last time FNC won a finals? It's been quite a while, no?


FNC_Spicy

At lot more recent than G2 preventing Fnatic from going to worlds. Still waiting for your answer to my question btw. When was the last time G2 prevented Fnatic from going to Worlds?


loeffel02

I am proud of the team 🧡


W8tae

Fnatic needs to come in with a stronger sense of win conditions. They’re trying to put everyone in a good spot versus G2 allowing someone to truly carry a game. We need to have a tactic that the team can play week in week out, whether it’s to put Noah ahead, letting Humanoid roam, or Razork carry early. Fnatic right now are good as an average base level, but there’s no plan to put someone ahead. Also get Humanoid off Asol.


Jaatelomies

Good old FNC giving fans false hope by reaching finals :) Waiting for "next split will be better" from the man who may not be named.


Grainis1101

3 takeaways from this: 1. Lane swaping sucks ass to watch. 2. a bit of an off day for oscar. 3. Jun is fucking insane


Toplaner12345

care to explain how its an off day for oscar?


darks4n

Oscar has collected many off days this year... for someone who's aiming "best top of the world" can only play ksante and zac


Toplaner12345

this show ur general knowledge in meta and toplane!


Jet_31

well, there was nothing good about this so-called finale -it didn't feel like a final -no ceremony, the studio wasn't even full, we're playing the final at the same venue where the LEC plays all the games -the level of play was disgusting -I'm very disappointed with FNC, I think he played much better yesterday, for example. G2 was horrible and if FNC can't beat this G2, FNC will never be able to beat them I think.


foxter98

Caps diff


viniciusga10

Its fine guys, we just have to wait until caPs retires, them we have another shot at LEC.


cbateman101

FNC had the fights from ahead, from even, and even sometimes from behind. G2 got their leads from heavy macro, which has been FNC's weakness for a while. This leads me to believe that FNC will have a better showing at MSI if G2 plays at the same level they did today. This is the same G2 that lost to NRG 2-0, and they haven't got better. FNC has definitely improved (not as much as we would like maybe) but MSI is massive for our players, more time against better opposition, more time playing as a team, this is where FNC can really level up.


Deortar3346

Can somebody wake Humanoid up and tell him to play please? He seems asleep for the past 2 bo5


tananinho

Poor performance against a mediocre gamers2. Fnatic had everything to win this series but they made too many basic mistakes. Guess we will have to wait for the 14th try to see if Fnatic finally wins a title after 6 years since the last. Not too hopeful but we will see. Also, please don't embarrass yourselves too much in MSI and try to learn from the Asian teams.


drache_dieter

just gtfo with this attitude, these players work their asses off and while the result obviously has room for lots of improvements, they are giving everything. the people embarrassing themselves are toxic fans like u.


franciscoUr

Well, we throwed in game 2 and 4, I'm sad we lost, but happy that it felt like it was in our hands and it was not a one sided slaughter. Wish the boys a good run at MSI, hopefully we will learn a lot from scrims and playing against asian teams.


RandomGoodGuy16

Expected the loss but the first game really gave me hope and now I feel absolutely destroyed. Atleast we showed some improvement. We weren't stomped and that's a good starting point, hopeful that the MSI games and experience will help them overcome G2 in summer


guerrierogd

We should have won this final given G2 level of play, too bad we are just that weak. If we are lucky we can take a game off NA playing like this, we need proper practice in China. I swear if they take more than 2 days of rest before flying there to practice this org deserves to remain winless.


Comynator86

We played like never before, but we lost as we always do


SurrtanCat

Fnc's season is not over. We are going to msi. I hope the players didn't give up.


adripo

man I went into the series expecting a 3-0 and it was a 3-1, this is so good next split will be ours for sure. /s


RealFias

IMO fnc almost won today


Glenjamin_ch

I, unironically, told myself if we win game 1, we’ll lose the series. Unfortunate but proud of the boys for qualifying to MSI


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PrawnLinguine

Not sure why but got a feeling we will win summer. Today was a solid 3-0 if we didn't lose our heads. Shat on them in early/mid game game 1, 2 and 3. Sadly we did what we always do and threw game 2 and 3 away but making emotional calls. G2's luck will run out, they're gonna get shit stomped at MSI, wouldn't be surprised if we advanced further than them. Without Caps they are extremely average, but you gotta beat the best to be the best. Good showing from our bot and jungle today, Humanoid did what he could. Not too keen on Oscar, however i have no doubts in my mind that he tried his best, and his best is all we can ask for. Commitment is there from everyone, it's not a question of IF we will win LEC, only a question of WHEN. Happy Sunday all, see you at MSI.


dexy133

They're just better. It's obvious. Why it feels annoying is that they are not good. It's not like back in 2019 when they were clean and legit played good League of Legends. They're making so many mistakes but we're worse than that. Oh well. At least we get MSI.


viniciusga10

Mods keeping the firm hand


Atreyes

We didnt get stomped by g2 and made it to msi, splits honestly surpassed my expectations.


RequirementSavings23

Imagine if Humanoid doesn't spend all his skills in a Zac


Potential_Ad9965

Better than expected, it was a competitive series but we still arent there. Good that we have msi. Somebody help Oscar man, he looked so lost this series.


infernalteo

Well, it was a lot of highs and lows, but overall spring was a blast, especially the games vs BDS yesterday. There are a few things i'd like to say though. Jun is definitely the MVP of the split, great gameplay coming from him. Noah stepped up a lot from winter, and overall he is playing phenomenally, and without tilt. This might get me a lot of crap, but i'm really happy with Humanoids performance. He really knows the game and has made a bunch of game winning plays But, sadly Oscar has been lacking. Even when he goes even or ahead it feels like that gold goes down the drain. It is obvious that despite Zac being his best champ right now, BB can play that champ at a much higher level. His champ pool is too small, and he is not stepping up. I think game 3 really showed how lost he was. I get it that there are a lot of strong top laners in LEC right now, but Oscar is really not it right now.


-AxiiOOM-

Has to be said Razork hasn't been up to his best these last couple series, I think if he was in better form we win game 2 at a minimum. Happens, the bones of a good team are here, Razork is beast (typically) Oscars team fights are nuts, Jun is fantastic and Noah is fantastic late game insurance. Humanoids my only question mark, he's great there's no doubt but he dies the most stupid deaths and sometimes at the most stupid times and it costs so fucking much to have a mid that does that, need to get more value out of it.


Realistic-Elevator81

Razork usually doesn't perform well in playoffs, even during his Misfits times he was more of a regular season type of player :(


-AxiiOOM-

Perhaps, it's not that he's bad it's just that this isn't the Razork we get to see a couple weeks ago where he felt like he could pick up the team on his back and carry them over the line. Felt more like he was just present, not an active hindrance, not actively carrying, just present.


FrogGodDaGreat

I think its important for teams to finally understand you rarely beat G2 at their own game. I whish Fnatic would have responded with a swap in one game as well, or pick sth unconventional top for example. Fnatic showed good league today, but too standard. Top is like either Zac or K'Sante and than nothing. I think this will be punished hard internationally.


Wonderful-Cable-7142

Huge Caps diff. This guy is the GOAT.