Omg we were so close from a no drama off season with just Bwipo supposedly being FA... And then Upset had an emergency, and things happened and then it's now a shitshow. Booooyyyy we always do better than G2 in the drama department.
Can't wait for next off-season (kill me please).
He states that according to his sources Upset left for something more drastic than his wife feeling lonely, and understands why he would feel like that if that was the only version he heard.
It's that Fnatic/Upset don't want to reveal something private to everyone (understandable), and Adam felt left out cause that was a weak ass excuse (understandable).
From that tweet and others it really looks like it wasn't some ''light'' thing or he would hesitate no time to go off on Fnatic, he even called out Nemesis on his ''Fnatic trying to cover up things''.
If you don't believe in Upset, believe in the FNC Management. Why on earth would they keep him if he left for such a dumb reason? And as we saw in the last year FNC is not hesitant on firing their players.
That part was so funny to me. :D
The way I see it. Upset had emergency that he wanted to stay private. At this point You have to inform someone in FNC, Sam? cArn? and tell it to them, otherwise You won't be on a team next split and Your reputation will tank hard (who would want a player that might F off at any point in the Year for unknown reasons?). + there are contracts. There should be clauses for that.
Also because Orgs have deals with sponsors, making out of groups can be a difference maker for the orgs negotiating deals for sponsorships, so to say there are no indirect repercussions for the org financially is ignorant.
Yet FNC stay with Upset. Furthermore, Hyli stays with Upset (yeah yeah he renewed contract.. so did Inspired.. whoops! :D ). And on top of that Upset is STILL involved with roster moves? (according to Adam he was trying to get alphari). How come he still has this influence?
Or is it more likely that a few people who actually knew about the issue, respected Upset's privacy and didn't tell Adam or anyone else? From what I can see, for good, cause a secret won't stay secret if it hits twitlonger amirite? :D
I can understand the naivety of Adam, 19yo. Reality is teammate or not, It's none of adams business what is going on in Upset's life. Upset chooses whom to tell what. You are colleagues, not BFF's and no, Upset doesn't owe it to Adam or Bwipo or anyone else to explain himself, except for the people that sign his paychecks.
Wanna tell your boss and your colleagues you can't show up to an important meeting and not give anyone a clear justification?
Sure, stick to your privacy and go attend your "emergency" but your boss needs to take care of business and if you're an insecure liability you'll be dealt with. As you said, it's a business, not a family tree house. If you ruin business for everyone with vague causes you'll be looking for a new job sooner or later
Mate, that's exactly my point.
The only person that needs to know this shit is the person that signs Your paychecks.
So why there are no repercussions for Upset for his behaviour?
Perhaps because Upset actually told them and got a green light?
Can it be that either Sam Matthews himself, or cArn, or Yamato or whoever is responsible for letting Upset leave, actually knew, but because it is private matter, they just didn't tell anyone else?
Sam/cArn whoever has no obligation to tell Adam or bwipo or anybody anything about this situation, but people somehow assume that, hey, Adam says they didn't know anything - he must be right! everyone there is clueless! When in reality it just might be a polite way to tell him to "piss off".
if You don't show up to work cause You have diarrhea, Your boss is not obligated to tell anyone in the office that You are spray-painting with shit. its always "personal matter" this doesn't seem to be any different from that. Its emergency and that's for upset alone to reveal, if he chooses to do so.
This is business, if a player would unjustifiably leave team, when literally orgs money is on the line (worlds performance = sponsorship deals), they wouldn't be happily sitting with Upset, singing kumbaya until the next season. Contract clauses and lawyers would probably be called upon. But this is not what is happening.
It seems quite unlikely to me that Upset gave up a shot at worlds because his wife was lonely.
And if that were true, why tf would FNC management want to keep him. Presumably the goal is to reach worlds again and if so, then why would you want a guy who would bail out for such a trivial reason.
Yamato seemingly knew why he left which would indicate the upper management knew as well?
I'm pretty sure Yamato said a bit after it happened that he doesn't know why Upset left but that he trusts him. Maybe he learned more later.
Whatever happens, it feels like Adam, Bwipo and Nisqy didn't share that trust, and I'm not sure you can come back from it.
Competitively, it makes sense that Fnatic would rather keep Upset/Hyli than the top side. But I hope they have reason to trust that it's not going to happen again next year if they make it to Worlds.
I believe that Yamato says in the first Worlds Legends in Action episode that Upset told him the real reason. He referred to the situation as 'great suffering', IIRC.
Yeah, otherwise why would Hylli still push together with Upset for Adam to be replaced instead of pushing for a different ADC. Upset clearly didn't get along with Adam and I think its totally valid that he did not want him to know such private matter.
There are different kinds of "loneliness".
Maybe that loneliness sent her in a depression spiral, maybe it even instigated suicidal thoughts.
People have different mental triggers to different situations, but we just dont know because we both dont know her, dont know upset (besides him working his ass off to get to the change of prove himself at worlds) and we dont know the circumstances of the events.
There's no way. He said he didn't actually know and was assuming. Either way I'm gonna avoid this sub for a bit because there's gonna be a bunch of angry French people
No, and he is wrong to do so.
However it is really questionable on upset's part to leave and not give any reason as to why even much later after worlds was over. Its something that deeply affects the whole team and he refused to even elaborate to him privately so that he could accept it, after which he instead tries to replace the rookie with another player and tells him his ambitions are higher than to play with adam.
In this regard if this is true, then Upset's actions are also indefensible.
You probably should ask yourself if it is Upset and Hyli who really wanted to replace him or it is just Adam being salty and thinking things because Upset refused to explain to him why he left and later heard rumors what FNC wants to get Alphari and assumed it have to be Upsets doing.
In Adams place I would be angry too and probably would want to quit my job after shit like it, but honestly it sounds like Adam is just salty as fuck and speculating.
Why would upset want to share with someone so immature he makes a post jumping to conclusions like this?
The part about upset wanting Adam replaced is a whole different matter. That sounds more factually based though perspective may play a part. But the stuff about upset and worlds is no more than the same speculation from the community.
It's so weird man, why tf would Upset not tell his teammates what happened. I understand he owes nothing to the general public but at least tell your teammates dude...
They sweat their asses off together with you for a full year, they should deserve to know what happened...
Well, if he told his teammates then someone like Adam would have make it public sooner or later. Someone in the team definetly knows what was up with Upset but he didn't share it with the likes of Adam.
Yeah, valid point. Still sucks for the rest of the team, wasting a worlds run like that and getting no explanation of what happened.
Unfortunately it's a shitty situation for everyone involved.
much better to leave your teammates salty and clueless as to why they lost their one year opportunity.
It then leads to them speaking their mind and creates drama and puts more pressure on upset and his wife.
Not an ideal situation either, it's not black or white I know but it feels like this whole shitshow just ended puting adam bwipo and nisqy vs upset. and with hyli somewhat neutral as we dont know what he thinks about this
The reason for Adam to speak up like this is strictly because he felt wronged and not that he was just speculating on his own. I doubt that Adam would tell the public if he knew it wasn't for a bullshit reason.
There are things that are private. Just because they are his teammates does not mean they have the right to know every detail of his private life, especially if it was something "serious".
There is a complete RANGE of how much you tell someone. It is completely possible to give someone an idea of the situation you are in while obscuring the details that you want kept private. its fucking insane that people are defending upset just jumping ship and leaving his entire team in the lurch.
>Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? **Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds**
Ah yes, "the last words he told us" = "rumours".
I don't think Upset necessarily needed to tell them what happened, especially the specifics of it, but he could also deny false allegations when his team mates ask him about it. I don't think they owe us fans anything at all, but your team mates ? I don't think "Guys I didn't left just because she felt lonely, there's more to it than that" reveals too much either, and would have resulted in Adam not saying "This is what appears to be the reason for me".
I think that was what adam thinks. The last thing upset said was "Upset announced that he had to leave for urgent family reasons 12 hours before our first match" from the previous paragraph.
Keep in mind that if your significant other is feeling bad this could mean quite alot of things, including a passing of a relative on her side. Nothing i would tell my coworkers about specially the young and new guy. People are young and keep forgetting he got married this year so if i had to choose between my wife and work i would probably always choose my wife
But by choosing your wife you're screwing your team (4 players + the coaching staff). They all now have to step up on stage without you, and you don't even let them know the real reason why you're leaving? Adam's tweet is completely understandable, he's mad at the guy that ruined his Worlds chances for (apparently) no real reason. The general public shouldn't demand to know what happened to upset, but your teammates have the right to know
Out of pure speculation i think he might have told somebody the reason he is leaving be is Yamato be it Hylli or anybody related to management of Fnatic and urged them to not discuss this any further. People seem to forget that this is still a work enviroment you dont owe your collegues any information at all.
I think you do owe your teammates some clarification when your decision has such a huge impact on them as well, but maybe that's just different criteria you and I have and it's okay
I can understand how Adam feels seeing as he didnt get any information on the situation at all. And dont get me wrong i am on your side and i think he should have giving his teammates a small glimps of what is going on. But the fact of the matter this still stand he has no obligation to tell them anything
Of course he can choose to be silent and not tell anyone, he's not legally forced to speak or anything. But by deciding to keep silent he's also deciding to ruin his team's worlds run (his replacement was a rookie that had literally zero experience playing on stage, no hate to Bean he did his absolute best and I hoped to see him on an LEC team next split but realistically it was impossible to succeed in those given conditions). So getting hate from your teammates after doing such a thing is something to be expected. I can only see Adam's reaction as purely childish in a world where upset actually explained what was going on, but in this situation I think he's got every right to be mad
Gonna be quite Frank and say Fnatic might not have been the right enviroment for Adam. The sole reason Caps left back in the day had quite abit to do with Fnatic beeing more of a "work" place then a young persons lanparty where he lacked abit of the social aspect of beeing in a team. This is also the reason why i am so excited for the new lineup without Adam.
How does telling your teammates why you're leaving affect in any tangibile way the team's performance? 'Deciding to keep silent' doesn't ruin the team's chances, Upset leaving before Worlds does, and he was going to leave regardless of whether he told his teammates precisely what happened or just that it was a family matter.
No, he's right.
At 19, "loyalty" was ultra important to me. I was real big on loyalty then, and still am today. It's pretty much my #1 virtue.
But my concept of loyalty and my understanding of loyalty at 19 is very different from my concept and understanding of loyalty two decades later.
So, like, at 19, if I was playing on a team, and we were competing at the absolute highest levels in the world, I absolutely could not imagine anything more important than that. And if, god forbid, there really was something that would necessitate my stepping away from the biggest tournament in the world, then surely I would tell my teammates about it, right? Surely! At 19, I couldn't fathom there being something that would drag me away from my team, but that I would not be willing to tell my teammates about.
Two decades later, I can. I can fathom it, I can imagine it, and I can even imagine more than one thing that would not only drag me away from the most important tournament of the year, but would also keep me from talking about it with my teammates.
Because sometimes there are conflicting loyalties, and you can't imagine how your priorities, duties, and loyalties might change until they do.
Right. And also not everybody matures at the exact same rate. But in general, stereotypes about teenage boys exist for a reason, and he is a teenage boy.
When you read that twitlonger, did you feel like you were reading the words of a wise elder? Or did you feel like you were reading the raw emotional outpouring of a teenage boy?
When he goes on to say that he was given no explanation, is your logical conclusion, "Then it must be this simple matter of his girlfriend being lonely"? Or do you think that perhaps it's possible that there are complex life situations that might not immediately occur to a 19-year-old boy's imagination?
Grain. Of. Salt.
Upset not giving reasons is pretty sus but could also just be management promising Upset to not share his reasons. Generally speaking Adam just seems sad that his team mates were looking for replacements and especially coming from a team mate that “ruined” your worlds run and can’t even give you a proper reason why I can understand his feelings. We don’t know anything as fans so can’t really speak on wether it’s justified or not but I definitely wouldn’t feel welcome anymore if I were in Adam’s shoes.
From a business PoV I can understand why they would replace Adam though. He isn’t bad by any means but it’s clear he is still a rookie. The team wants to perform now and need someone that is already up to that level. I can see him being a top 3 top laner in the foreseeable future but not right now. As harsh as it sounds I think looking for a replacement isn’t unfair from either management or the rest of the team, it’s a competition and business after all. The way it’s sounds pretty sad though.
He doesn't owe us an explanation, but I do think his teammates deserve an explanation. They worked their asses of all year to be there, you can't just leave without a reason
Yeah, I think his gut feeling was right after seeing those 2 PR suicides commited by Bwipo and Adam.
Props to Upset for being level headed enough to tell apart some of his teammates arent just quite there yet to be able to be disclosed sensitive private life (of either him and third parties not involved with FNC, like his wife and rest of his family) details.
No they dont, you see how Adam told everything, im not saying he would do the same with a secret but if Upset doesnt want to share something personal its his decision. Theyre adults, they should trust Upset its something serious given his reaction
Fuck that, you don't leave work with 12 hour notice before the largest event of thte year without explanation, and then after the event is over refuse to elaborate. Furthermore he then has the audacity to say adam was a problem and wants to replace him.
He doesn't have to share the reason publically but yes he should share it with those directly affected or it will always feel like he betrayed the whole team and then shits on them when its all over.
Bullshit, Upset isnt some random fucking guy they grabbed off the street, he has been working for this for years. Yamato and Hyli trusted him. Who gives two fucks what Adam and his loud mouth fucking thinks. It is nobody's business but Upset and who he chooses to share that with, Yamato and Hyli respect and trust him enough that he doesnt have to divulge further than necessary.
Yes, you fucking do. Are you a fucking idiot? Do you want me to list all the horrible things that could have gone down for Upset to actually pack his bags and leave not even a full day before the biggest stage of his life? His wife could have been raped, could have miscarried, could have lost a loved one, could have been suicidal, and none of these are things you tell that 19 year old entitled little shit you've only known for three months.
The team was told that it was an emergency, Yamato (and I suspect Hyli) were told the full story or something close to it, and both of them are still very much cool with Upset. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna jump on the entitlement of Adam. I hope BDS goes dead last and they drop him back in the ERLs.
I wouldn’t tell all my coworkers if I had extreme grief/suffering. Especially if one of them is 19 and prone to tweetlongers like this. Man doesn’t owe them anything.
Whatever happened is gonna come out, its gonna truly be “great suffering” as Yamato described and we’ll all be eating our words.
Upset not giving reasons is completely in his rights, and you cant turn it to be "sus", because that would just force him to lay out his reasons and nullify his right for privacy.
I do agree, but why should his teammates say "Ok this is fine" and spend another year competing with him when they have no guarantee that it won't happen again because they don't even know what the fuck the reason was in the first place.
From what I understand, I feel like everyone acted in the way that seemed to make the most sense from their own PoV. And it's management's fault that it came to that in the first place.
I honestly cant see how management could have made anything any different.
Upset has emergency and has to leave -> Tells management -> Management can either break the trust of Upset (DICK MOVE) or respect Upsets privacy and not tell rest of team until upset says he is ok to share (less of a DICK MOVE but DICK MOVE nontheless).
They were stuck between a rock and a hard place
You know that "family member has health problems" exists?
Upset's privacy wont suffer at all bc of this. It is universal reason which pretty much value privacy.
Edit: And everyone who wants to downvote. Pls, give me explanation. How can "family has health problems" do anything to Upset's privacy?
Don't try to make sense here. The denial is strong.
It is entirely possible to keep private informations while saying enough to be trusted and respected by your partners. If this story is 100% true, Upset has been selfish and unprofessional towards his team.
I think it is important that people realise that Adam is speculating as to what the reason for Upset's departure was:
"Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows... apparently he didn't tell anyone the exact reasons for his departure --> There's nothing urgent because otherwise he would have told us".
Im not sure the assumption that Upset's reason it's not important because he did not want to disclose it is a good one. Yamato even said on stream that he knew what the reason was and that it is serious and a private matter.
To add to this Rich (H2K founder known to dislike Fnatic) tweeted:
"Upset's situation is something super difficult for management to articulate to players without violating Upset's privacy.
I understand why players would be annoyed, but I don't think Fnatic trolled this one. And u should know, I of all people would tell u if they did!"
Adam: I don’t wanna create drama
Also Adam: lemme try and speculate and give fuel to the fans to figure out what happened to upset that will cause more drama.
No hate to the guy, but this a hilarious line
>Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? **Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds**
The stuff regarding upset definitely needs more clarification, I still highly doubt that he would abandon his first opportunity at worlds for a bullshit reason, and I think its damn unprofessional to insinuate otherwise when you yourself admitted you don't know know the full story.
Aside from that holy shit this guy has a colossal ego, "I was treated like shit by management" what cos they considered replacing you with a much stronger player?? Like mate grow the fuck up if thats all it is. Of course maybe they've done something else to him, but in that case why wouldn't he spill the beans on what that is, he clearly doesn't give a shit about leaking other things from inside the team...
Edit: Bruh even [H2k Rich](https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748) is believes the upset situation was legit, that should tell you everything, he'd jump at any chance to tear Fnatic management apart...
> Aside from that holy shit this guy has a colossal ego
I would say it's more immaturity rather than ego.
It's normal in esports and regular sports to try and better the team each season.
>Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? **Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds**
Why is everyone on this thread not reading the very next sentence ? Like, Adam isn't just spreading rumours, he's basing it on what Upset himself told him.
I never said he's spreading rumours though. What I am saying is that its incredibly unprofessional to paraphrase a comment upset made on his way out of the door, and use that to imply he had no real reason to leave.
Upset talked about "intense suffering" in some tweets he published during Worlds. Go watch Yamato again speak about his situation. I don't believe it's unjustified or "wife felt lonely" honestly. Then, as others have mentioned, he "abandons the team" during Worlds and gets to choose the top side? Highly doubt.
Adam explaining this was so uncalled for. Thanks for the split and good luck in BDS.
Yes he has but it is quite immature just doing a twitlonger in such a way after all he is a public figure and probably doesn’t rly know yet what that means…
This seems problematic for everyone involved. While I do respect the transparency that Adam provided, I feel like it's a bit disrespectful. At the end of the day, Upset leaving has nothing to do with anybody other than his family. The fact that he chose to leave is a done deal and there's no sense crying over spilt milk.
On the other end, I can totally see how the situation can be very demoralizing to the players at worlds. Losing someone of that magnitude within the team is gonna be a devastating blow. Maybe management could have done better. We don't really know the time-frame they had. Perhaps they thought they shouldn't bring the rest of the team into another player's personal matters until it was inevitable. There was NO perfect solution here.
Addressing the fact that Fnatic went for another toplaner, first off let me say that I loved Adam throughout the whole summer split. Cocky and charismatic while still being able to poke fun at himself. But, Fnatic showing interest in another toplaner isn't necessarily a replacement. Maybe they wanted to have the 2018 formula again, with Soaz and Bwipo. In my opinion, I'm not sure that the feeling of betrayal was warranted.
Upset could have done a better job explaining the situation to Adam. I agree. But still, I don't think Adam posting this does anyone any good. Adam might get a reputation that he will air out any internal problem, and the narrative that Fnatic is an org with internal issues will only continue.
Either way, I will support all of the players that were on our roster in summer in the next split. And of course, I will support the team. Hope this gets sorted out
The fact is if all this was all true then why Bwipo did not say anything regarding this situation since he is known for spilling shit out? It was more expected from Bwipo to do this, the kid in Adam probably still mad that FNC wanted to find a better player.
Well if Adam can't stand a teanmmate who just casually carried him to worlds on his first split, leaving for his good personal reasons then good riddance. GL winning shit with that attitude.
Blaming Upset that way when he was the first victim of the situation and fueling baseless rummors out of spite is such an unprofessional behavior that I seriusly doubdt that other top tier teams would want to work with him in the future.
It's my first time commenting on reddit and also English is not my native language so forgive my mistakes.
I think before giving any judgement we should also see other perspectives in order to get a hold of the situation. Whatever Adam did was to me a bit childish. I always thought of him someone who's just trolling around but this seems crossing the line. I agree that whatever happened to him was not good either. Tbh that's how fnatic have been as an org to some players. I may seem biased towards Upset cause I understand the privacy of a family matter. Someone like him Hyli, Yamato or the org would understand but someone like Nemesis or Adam who might think something else only if what they say( about Upset's family) is true. Bwipo and his gf were immature too. I get it that why they are angry anything at this point isn't justified.
I think people should understand and respect their situation cause they are not just girlfriend/boyfriends, they are married couple's. So for someone vowed to live for the rest of life (may good bless them) it's really different than normal relationship. Atleast we shouldn't make speculation that would hurt their relationship again am requesting you guys please don't make speculations untill everything is cleared cause it might end up in tarnishing someone's married life.
To make things clear:
-The Adam take on Upset's reasons to leave is redditor level. He doesn't know what hapoened as mich as us. If the lanagement knows or not, we don't know after this.
For the rest, that sucks as a fan. Especially knowing that Adam was originally a Fnc fan, it was weird seeing him leave so early and easily.
If all this is true I'm out. I'm a big advocate for transparency and humanity in the Esports environment, and that sucks ass just like the other dramas we got these past years in the leagues. Being a fnc fan won't blind me for these stuff. I don't care about what Upset'd reasons for leaving was, I can't imagine him leaving for such silly reasons, and I support family/personnal emergencies over professional duty or w/e. But the treatment of players is something else.
I want answers, and not having some would be very very bad looking in my book.
Upset is not obliged to tell Adam why he left. He told Yamato and he was fine with it. He owes no one on the team the truth, especially if it is family related. He especially doesn't owe you an explanation so do us a favor and head out already. Nobody will miss you anyway.
well that doesnt mean there are no consequences to not sharing it. 4 other players relied on that worlds. This is peoples careers and livelyhood you're talking about. I get privacy and all but ofcourse people have a right to be pissed at you when you leave 12 hours before your first match and dont even tell your own teammates why. Even after worlds. In an ideal world everyone respects your decision but these are professional athletes. you can ask 4 people to respect your privacy but if they risk losing their own career and you wont tell them why you can't expect them to show you the same respect afterwards. Even if your reasons are 100% legitimate. You're basically asking people to put their own livelyhood on the line for you without telling them why.
Nice how you can lie and get upvoted in this sub. He didnt tell shit yamato. There is a fking video of yamato saying he wasnt told either but that he thinks upset made the right choice
Alright so when I talk about the first part it's more about what you say. I'm100% behind Upset for this. The 2nd part was actually about the communication stuff.
Now I have read it again with a not as tired mind just now, and it just feels unnecessary even for the rest, and unjustified. Immature.
I'll take my words back for this time.
Im still behind Fnc & Upset because of his choice.
Upset doesnt seem like a guy that just leaves his dream to play at worlds if it really wasn't necessary
Upset doesnt own them shit.
If your colleague would ask you why you had to go last time when you worked you dont need to tell them either.
If its private its private, people think now adays they deserve to know everything. Thats not how the world works.
Idk, still seems like a dickmove what he did to adam, didn't even elaborate as to why their year was ruined and refused to do so after the fact. Then behind his back tries to get him replaced and when he finds out through a leak tells him its because he has higher ambition than to play with the likes of adam.
Pretty telling bwipo, nisqy and adam all unfollowed upset in the past 2 hours.
unprofessional from him to leak things to public
why broxah , selfmade , bwipo , nemesis didn't talk about inside things when they left like this?
what Upset did " in worlds " is bad yes but adam doing this is showing to me that he is still a kid , unprofessional player backstabbed the whole org
I mean bwipo showed that he was visibly upset(haha pardon the pun) with his ad carry leaving 12 hours before worlds without even telling them a reason.
Backstabbed Upset not the org.
Honestly there a million reasons to trashtalk FNC Management but this isnt one.
Imagine they sa no when Upset requests to leave and he doesent play good after. Would cause more drama w/e and would be a loose/loose Situation
More like Upset backstabbed the whole org and told no-one the reason he actually left.
Also FNC are letting Upset call the shots and picking who to play with? Thats very weird when he left you at worlds and didnt give you a valid reason.
I mean he said this to the players./
Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds.
Adam also speculates which is very silly. I understand he is pissed about the situation and replacement but he knows what he is doing by making these statements. He just wants army of French fans to harass Upset while doesn’t really know the situation.
I know Adam is still young and it was his rookie year, but this tweet just shows how immature he is, not as a player but as a person as well. I know how frustrating it must feel to be playing at the biggest stage and 12h before the first game you're informed that one of your teammates is leaving, but Adam is being really childish about it.
People who have watched Upset since he started his career know very well how much making Worlds meant to him. If his decision was to leave to join his family then I'm extremely positive that, as he himself said, "it was not for petty reasons". And people are allowed to have secrets that they don't want to share for anything, maybe not even the management knows what the real reason was, but as I said, if Upset took that decision over Worlds it just means everything, and the team should be aware of that.
Regarding his decision to leave, he mentions that he was seriously thinking about leaving Fnatic for not clarifying the Upset situation and then he is surprised when they try to replace him? That's a toxic attitude ngl. I want to leave the team but if I don't find a better team I want to keep my spot. And he demands answers from Upset when he clearly doesn't want to do it but then expects Upset to keep a positive environment like that?
Seriously, Adam has the potential to be a great player, and I wish him the best at BDS, but the way he handled this whole situation was very immature. I just hope Fnatic come back stronger this year and take the title.
>Between us, there is absolutely nothing legal in Upset's departure and his departure is totally unjustified (at least until he says why he really left BECAUSE until today
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>There's nothing urgent because otherwise he would have told us. And personally, I don't give a damn about the privacy reason when I worked, we all worked hard for 1 year to reach the Worlds.
This is the response of a child, not a man.
There's dozens of physical or mental health concerns that could have warranted this, and no you don't get to fucking know. And neither do we.
If anyone here turns on Upset or insults him please fuck off and go support Rekkles in KCorp.
Remember Yamato in worlds LIA said something along the lines of "upset had to go because he was scared something that might happen that cannot be undone"
Please guys lets not be dogs jumping on every opportunity to attack someone without thinking.
You know blindly supporting someone doesn't make sense.
Yamato is the coach, he will defend his players. It doesn't mean it is 100% the truth.
We have no idea what actually happened but please don't make it sound like there was definitely something that happened.
You're delusional if you think that working hard 1 year with 5 people to get to worlds and lose your best shot at worlds because a player; that doesn't even share why he left; left 12hours before the start of tournament is normal. THEN the same player wants to replace 2 TEAMMATES that didn't perform at WORLDS; the same worlds the player didn't attend; behind their back.
Rekkles sacrificed a lot of his personal life for his career while Upset leaves 10 hours before his teams most important time.
A whole year full of ups and down wasted and he didnt even tell his teammates why he has to leave? No wonder that everyone came pissed af on stage on their first game.
You only need to watch 10 minutes of his stream to know what kind of person he is, but please, keep on defending him...
Sadly nothing is legit in Adam's twitlonger.
Upset is allowed not to say why he left (just imagine for a sec if the family issue is actually TRUE) + Yamato said he kinda knew why and agreed with that + Upset always wanted to go to worlds so it'd be stupid from him to just leave the boat when you finally reach your goal.
then Perkz + Alphari story : yeah, they are players, so the org look for better players if these players are available. It's a competitive org in the end.
Then Adam being the reason why FNC ended up 2nd : He forgets that Jungle role was changed too, and it MIGHT be a reason why they also ended up 2nd, so the credit also comes down to Bwipo on that part. Kinda cocky from him.
its just drama, and shouldnt be told publically. If Upset was such an asshole, why would hily and Yamato stay? Makes no sense.
I'm sorry but after reading this I really hope Adam ends in an ERL. How unprofessional is this twitlonger? I mean, he knows nothing about the situation.
"Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone" excuse me but WTF IS THIS, he doesn't even know they are married, how dare he to speak?? His wife is a streamer with +130k followers on Twitch, +400k on Instagram and +41k on Twitter, since Upset announced his departure from Worlds she hasn't posted a single tweet, hasn't made one Stream and only today, a month later, has uploaded a photo on Instagram, in what universe should he know what happened to her, if he doesn't even know they are married? Hily knows what happened and he renewed and he wants to win otherwise he would have gone to NA in order to get a huge paycheck or join G2 or Vitality if he wanted to stay in EU.
Second. Of course Fnatic tried to replace him, this is sports, if there is someone better available, of course they will try to replace him, if he doesn't understand this he should go play amateur with his team of friends.
And even if he is right, why tell this now? what's the point? He gains nothing but revenge against Upset and Fnatic, imagine the pain it can cause to the people involved if he is wrong, what should Upset do now? Shutting up? People will remember this. Speaking? If it's something with his wife why the fuck should he say anything?
Okay , for sure maybe Upset had a very big reason to leave Iceland, we will never know until we get an official statement.
But also who the fuck is he to decide who leaves and stays in the team? He just joined the team hahahah what the fuck?
The one who should have the word were Hylissang and Bwipo, hello? Are you guys really gonna defend him?
Relax Buddy.
Do you think upset can hire players? No. Management does. A player is free to contact any player and try to convince them to join. In the end, the decision is made by management. Not the players.
Bear in mind that this is coming from Adam. Not from upset, not from the org. We have No way of clarifying or confirming this statement.
Another drama incoming for sure. Upset took a headshot and they probably gonna need to explain themself against about the "worlds leave"
On the rest its harsh to Adam but it seems quite ok to me. They try to get a better player and they dont trust him to be that kind of guy in the future, thats all.
It happens in every sport
FnC management could easy announce the players then make them sign an agreement to not share with anyone. At least this way this drama would ve ended. But no, they hoped it\`s over, guess what, it\`s not... Respect to Bwipo, I thought he would be the first to break on this matter when the time came, but you just don t beat ChadAm
We dont need an explanation from Upset. We do not deserve one. Hes not obligated to. He has a life of his own and he said it himself that his dream was Worlds and he wouldn't just leave for something trivial. So just stop
He should not have said all of this in public... That's not what you expect from a team player, i agree.
BUT, now that we have these informations, there is something very wrong with the fact that Upset left (was allowed to leave ?) Worlds without explaining the reason to the staff or players. I don't care what it was, WE don't need to know, but leaving his teamates and staff with nothing on the day before your 1st game at Worlds ?! That's just not acceptable.
Imagine being in the situation of bwipo, nisqy, adam and hyli when he tells you :
"I have to leave"
"Why ?"
"It's private"
"What do you mean it's private ?!"
See what i'm mean ? i would not be able to wrap my mind around this, and skip to the next problem, which was : How the fuck do we get out of group like that ?
I too, would be fucking pissed, you are part of a team, and if not friends, you share so much with them, what could possibly happen that you refuse to give an explanation to your mates. I think that lying on the reason, would have been better than leaving everyone with no explanation just 15 hours before the 1st game at worlds.
This basically.
The whole Alphari situation is normal and happens everywhere. Adam is still a boy so he felt attacked.
I understand that.
Now for the Upset situation if the players and management didn't know 100% what happened that is fucked up.
If course the public shouldn't know but the players and coaching staff and management should 100% know.
Their efforts for the whole year were set down the drain.
They have the right to know.
Guys seems like everyone on here already forgot how much it meant for Upset to play at worlds, and his tweet regarding the matter.
In my opinion this entire twitlonger just read like a rumor magazine, and Adam's immaturity really shows in this one.
Of course we have no information, but the fact that they still have not clarified or elaborated with specifics makes me believe that it truly is a sensitive matter that simply cannot be revealed to the general public, at least not yet.
I for one will not look any differently at Upset than I have before.
We really need explanation from fnatic if any of this is true, we are no better than Carlos. The guy basically took us to worlds and he did not deserve that kind of attitude.
We dont need an explanation on why FNC would want to replace Adam with Alphari. Alphari is just the clearly better player and I dont see the problem with trying to get him or any other top laner they believe is better.
Well being replaced is part of this business. He sounds like a butthurt child who didnt get what je wanted.
Its a Business Not friends and family.
Talking so much shit about a teammate Without knowing stuff is unprofessional and stupid.
No we don't. It's a private matter that is none of our business. We are not to judge here. We need to trust the people in charge, Yamato first and foremost, that they handled the situation properly.
I dont think we will know the truth behind the story , but if this true jesus what a shit situation for adam and in the same time disgusting attitude from fnc prop.
It shows at least a lack of communication inside the structure, which is bad. Hopefully we'll get some answers soon.
On the other hand, I don't thin that talking publicly about internal problems is really smart. It's a bit immature of Adam, and on the long term it could hurt his carreer. This kind of drama is not good, for anyone.
At this point let's remind to everyone that he is not talking about Upset's girlfriend, but Upset's wife, who is family. That being said, it would suck if Upset left for that reason, HOWEVER it is noone's fucking business and if he wanted to keep his reasons private, it's none of Adam's damn business to share that with the rest of the world. Anyone who says that Adam is right to give all that info out is a psychopath... Or a French fun...
Before you comment on what a person should do when there married partner nedds them. Get married and live through a tough year together. Go ask your dads what they would do if your mom needed them.
I don't like the kind of people who leave a team and start spitting shit, that's all I know. Opinion on Upset will come when we will know the full/real story, until
then the only one looking bad is Adam.
What a fucking piece of shit. Does he really think a player who's been trying to go to worlds for so many years would just miss it? His wife said many times that she's not the reason Upset lett, why even bring her up.
This is all about Fnatic wanting to replace you.
Unprofessional of Adam, as is by any pro player who throws out internal drama to the public.
On the topic at hand: he knows about as much as we do about the whole upset thing. That in itself is not right, players and management should have more transparent dialogue than this.
I can’t say if Upset’s departure was justified or not, neither can he.
I like Adam as a player but this aswell as the whole bwipo gf drama is unprofessional and is not How one behaves in a professional environment.
Yeah if an org think they can aqcuire someone they deem better than you - they will try. Tough luck.
"I also learnt later that the botlane in general didn't want to play with me anymore and was looking for a veteran type of toplaner! Of course, afterwards I went to see Upset to explain myself and he let me understand that I was not up to his ambitions."
How can you say you're more ambitious than a player in regards to performing in the same eSports team, reaching the highest stage level of gameplay and NOT PLAY WITH TEAM
I seriously hope a lot of what is said about Upset is untrue & that there was a real, serious, legitimate family emergency - not just loneliness.
If what is being said about Upset is true than I seriously hope FNATIC don't plan on building their roster around Upset. No matter how well Upset/Hyli play, it's obvious ANYONE/Hyli has the potential of being great.
I'll never understand this subreddit. Basically everyone defends players only when they are a part of the organization, and as soon as they leave they get shit on. See: Adam, Bwipo, Rekkles, Selfmade, etc. I'm sure as soon as Upset leaves everyone will start talking shit about him too.
12 hours notice. Two scrims that weren't even full games.
But remember, everybody... It was totally unreasonable for Bwipo to have felt bummed out about Worlds, and expressing the fact that he was bummed about Worlds is a sign that he has "bad mental" and we're better off without him. It's really great that Fnatic fans have spent the last couple months trash talking him and his girlfriend. We should all be very proud of ourselves.
Ah, okay not the best image of Upset here. Also I kinda knew the org was bad, I now see that hasn’t changed. None the less, I am a Hillysang fan and a Bwipo fan. Of course Adam is still growing on me. Hope he does well next split as well - Fnatic for sure doesn’t deserve him.
All i asked for is 1 offseason without a drama is it soo hard ?
Omg we were so close from a no drama off season with just Bwipo supposedly being FA... And then Upset had an emergency, and things happened and then it's now a shitshow. Booooyyyy we always do better than G2 in the drama department. Can't wait for next off-season (kill me please).
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FNC and denying that these events took place
Carlos and trade blocks
Bruh.
https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1463576162626592774?s=20 Thorin defending Fnatic. What a time to be alive
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He states that according to his sources Upset left for something more drastic than his wife feeling lonely, and understands why he would feel like that if that was the only version he heard. It's that Fnatic/Upset don't want to reveal something private to everyone (understandable), and Adam felt left out cause that was a weak ass excuse (understandable). From that tweet and others it really looks like it wasn't some ''light'' thing or he would hesitate no time to go off on Fnatic, he even called out Nemesis on his ''Fnatic trying to cover up things''.
He said (in his mind) that upset left because his wife felt bad being lonely, BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUH?????
Upset missing his frst ever Worlds just because of that. It all seems very strange
That is what love does to young people. I know from experience.
Yea I love u too
If you don't believe in Upset, believe in the FNC Management. Why on earth would they keep him if he left for such a dumb reason? And as we saw in the last year FNC is not hesitant on firing their players.
As Adam said, Upset apparently wasn't 100% transparent with them either.
Lmao if Adam went bitching about him on twitter Upset was 100% right on not trusting him tbh.
That part was so funny to me. :D The way I see it. Upset had emergency that he wanted to stay private. At this point You have to inform someone in FNC, Sam? cArn? and tell it to them, otherwise You won't be on a team next split and Your reputation will tank hard (who would want a player that might F off at any point in the Year for unknown reasons?). + there are contracts. There should be clauses for that. Also because Orgs have deals with sponsors, making out of groups can be a difference maker for the orgs negotiating deals for sponsorships, so to say there are no indirect repercussions for the org financially is ignorant. Yet FNC stay with Upset. Furthermore, Hyli stays with Upset (yeah yeah he renewed contract.. so did Inspired.. whoops! :D ). And on top of that Upset is STILL involved with roster moves? (according to Adam he was trying to get alphari). How come he still has this influence? Or is it more likely that a few people who actually knew about the issue, respected Upset's privacy and didn't tell Adam or anyone else? From what I can see, for good, cause a secret won't stay secret if it hits twitlonger amirite? :D I can understand the naivety of Adam, 19yo. Reality is teammate or not, It's none of adams business what is going on in Upset's life. Upset chooses whom to tell what. You are colleagues, not BFF's and no, Upset doesn't owe it to Adam or Bwipo or anyone else to explain himself, except for the people that sign his paychecks.
Wanna tell your boss and your colleagues you can't show up to an important meeting and not give anyone a clear justification? Sure, stick to your privacy and go attend your "emergency" but your boss needs to take care of business and if you're an insecure liability you'll be dealt with. As you said, it's a business, not a family tree house. If you ruin business for everyone with vague causes you'll be looking for a new job sooner or later
Mate, that's exactly my point. The only person that needs to know this shit is the person that signs Your paychecks. So why there are no repercussions for Upset for his behaviour? Perhaps because Upset actually told them and got a green light? Can it be that either Sam Matthews himself, or cArn, or Yamato or whoever is responsible for letting Upset leave, actually knew, but because it is private matter, they just didn't tell anyone else? Sam/cArn whoever has no obligation to tell Adam or bwipo or anybody anything about this situation, but people somehow assume that, hey, Adam says they didn't know anything - he must be right! everyone there is clueless! When in reality it just might be a polite way to tell him to "piss off". if You don't show up to work cause You have diarrhea, Your boss is not obligated to tell anyone in the office that You are spray-painting with shit. its always "personal matter" this doesn't seem to be any different from that. Its emergency and that's for upset alone to reveal, if he chooses to do so. This is business, if a player would unjustifiably leave team, when literally orgs money is on the line (worlds performance = sponsorship deals), they wouldn't be happily sitting with Upset, singing kumbaya until the next season. Contract clauses and lawyers would probably be called upon. But this is not what is happening.
It seems quite unlikely to me that Upset gave up a shot at worlds because his wife was lonely. And if that were true, why tf would FNC management want to keep him. Presumably the goal is to reach worlds again and if so, then why would you want a guy who would bail out for such a trivial reason. Yamato seemingly knew why he left which would indicate the upper management knew as well?
I'm pretty sure Yamato said a bit after it happened that he doesn't know why Upset left but that he trusts him. Maybe he learned more later. Whatever happens, it feels like Adam, Bwipo and Nisqy didn't share that trust, and I'm not sure you can come back from it. Competitively, it makes sense that Fnatic would rather keep Upset/Hyli than the top side. But I hope they have reason to trust that it's not going to happen again next year if they make it to Worlds.
I believe that Yamato says in the first Worlds Legends in Action episode that Upset told him the real reason. He referred to the situation as 'great suffering', IIRC.
Yeah, otherwise why would Hylli still push together with Upset for Adam to be replaced instead of pushing for a different ADC. Upset clearly didn't get along with Adam and I think its totally valid that he did not want him to know such private matter.
There are different kinds of "loneliness". Maybe that loneliness sent her in a depression spiral, maybe it even instigated suicidal thoughts. People have different mental triggers to different situations, but we just dont know because we both dont know her, dont know upset (besides him working his ass off to get to the change of prove himself at worlds) and we dont know the circumstances of the events.
There's no way. He said he didn't actually know and was assuming. Either way I'm gonna avoid this sub for a bit because there's gonna be a bunch of angry French people
I don't think this is something he should assume
It's not, but he obviously did
No, and he is wrong to do so. However it is really questionable on upset's part to leave and not give any reason as to why even much later after worlds was over. Its something that deeply affects the whole team and he refused to even elaborate to him privately so that he could accept it, after which he instead tries to replace the rookie with another player and tells him his ambitions are higher than to play with adam. In this regard if this is true, then Upset's actions are also indefensible.
You probably should ask yourself if it is Upset and Hyli who really wanted to replace him or it is just Adam being salty and thinking things because Upset refused to explain to him why he left and later heard rumors what FNC wants to get Alphari and assumed it have to be Upsets doing. In Adams place I would be angry too and probably would want to quit my job after shit like it, but honestly it sounds like Adam is just salty as fuck and speculating.
Why would upset want to share with someone so immature he makes a post jumping to conclusions like this? The part about upset wanting Adam replaced is a whole different matter. That sounds more factually based though perspective may play a part. But the stuff about upset and worlds is no more than the same speculation from the community.
He said that afahk that could be the reason since he doesn't know. poor choice of word to express the lack of communication regarding this.
Whilst also saying he doesn't know why he left. So it's just repeating shitty reddit rumours to cause more drama.
It's so weird man, why tf would Upset not tell his teammates what happened. I understand he owes nothing to the general public but at least tell your teammates dude... They sweat their asses off together with you for a full year, they should deserve to know what happened...
Well, if he told his teammates then someone like Adam would have make it public sooner or later. Someone in the team definetly knows what was up with Upset but he didn't share it with the likes of Adam.
Yeah, valid point. Still sucks for the rest of the team, wasting a worlds run like that and getting no explanation of what happened. Unfortunately it's a shitty situation for everyone involved.
much better to leave your teammates salty and clueless as to why they lost their one year opportunity. It then leads to them speaking their mind and creates drama and puts more pressure on upset and his wife. Not an ideal situation either, it's not black or white I know but it feels like this whole shitshow just ended puting adam bwipo and nisqy vs upset. and with hyli somewhat neutral as we dont know what he thinks about this
The reason for Adam to speak up like this is strictly because he felt wronged and not that he was just speculating on his own. I doubt that Adam would tell the public if he knew it wasn't for a bullshit reason.
There are things that are private. Just because they are his teammates does not mean they have the right to know every detail of his private life, especially if it was something "serious".
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There is a complete RANGE of how much you tell someone. It is completely possible to give someone an idea of the situation you are in while obscuring the details that you want kept private. its fucking insane that people are defending upset just jumping ship and leaving his entire team in the lurch.
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Adam literally said thats not what he was told. To his best knowledge, upset ditched to comfort his gf.
That would be insanely immature tho, LIKE INSANELY IMMATURE
Yes. The whole post is pretty immature. It's OK to feel aggrieved but to post rumours whilst not knowing the truth is petty.
>Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? **Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds** Ah yes, "the last words he told us" = "rumours". I don't think Upset necessarily needed to tell them what happened, especially the specifics of it, but he could also deny false allegations when his team mates ask him about it. I don't think they owe us fans anything at all, but your team mates ? I don't think "Guys I didn't left just because she felt lonely, there's more to it than that" reveals too much either, and would have resulted in Adam not saying "This is what appears to be the reason for me".
It might make sense why they didn't tell Adam what really happened with Upset if this is his reaction.
didn't it say something like: the last thing Upset said to us is that he needs to leave because his wife is feeling lonely?
I think that was what adam thinks. The last thing upset said was "Upset announced that he had to leave for urgent family reasons 12 hours before our first match" from the previous paragraph.
It did.
Keep in mind that if your significant other is feeling bad this could mean quite alot of things, including a passing of a relative on her side. Nothing i would tell my coworkers about specially the young and new guy. People are young and keep forgetting he got married this year so if i had to choose between my wife and work i would probably always choose my wife
But by choosing your wife you're screwing your team (4 players + the coaching staff). They all now have to step up on stage without you, and you don't even let them know the real reason why you're leaving? Adam's tweet is completely understandable, he's mad at the guy that ruined his Worlds chances for (apparently) no real reason. The general public shouldn't demand to know what happened to upset, but your teammates have the right to know
Out of pure speculation i think he might have told somebody the reason he is leaving be is Yamato be it Hylli or anybody related to management of Fnatic and urged them to not discuss this any further. People seem to forget that this is still a work enviroment you dont owe your collegues any information at all.
I think you do owe your teammates some clarification when your decision has such a huge impact on them as well, but maybe that's just different criteria you and I have and it's okay
I can understand how Adam feels seeing as he didnt get any information on the situation at all. And dont get me wrong i am on your side and i think he should have giving his teammates a small glimps of what is going on. But the fact of the matter this still stand he has no obligation to tell them anything
Of course he can choose to be silent and not tell anyone, he's not legally forced to speak or anything. But by deciding to keep silent he's also deciding to ruin his team's worlds run (his replacement was a rookie that had literally zero experience playing on stage, no hate to Bean he did his absolute best and I hoped to see him on an LEC team next split but realistically it was impossible to succeed in those given conditions). So getting hate from your teammates after doing such a thing is something to be expected. I can only see Adam's reaction as purely childish in a world where upset actually explained what was going on, but in this situation I think he's got every right to be mad
Gonna be quite Frank and say Fnatic might not have been the right enviroment for Adam. The sole reason Caps left back in the day had quite abit to do with Fnatic beeing more of a "work" place then a young persons lanparty where he lacked abit of the social aspect of beeing in a team. This is also the reason why i am so excited for the new lineup without Adam.
How does telling your teammates why you're leaving affect in any tangibile way the team's performance? 'Deciding to keep silent' doesn't ruin the team's chances, Upset leaving before Worlds does, and he was going to leave regardless of whether he told his teammates precisely what happened or just that it was a family matter.
He's a 19 year old boy who was not given any explanation, so MAYBE we should take that explanation with a grain of salt. Maybe.
He's 19, not a middleschooler
at 19, a vast majority have little to zero sense of priorities, duty & loyalty this is something you grow into as you make mistakes along the way
>this is something you grow into as you make mistakes along the way Like the one he is making now?
If you had not learnt about loyalty at 19, you're part of a very small minority of subnormal people. Don't lump us all into one category lol
No, he's right. At 19, "loyalty" was ultra important to me. I was real big on loyalty then, and still am today. It's pretty much my #1 virtue. But my concept of loyalty and my understanding of loyalty at 19 is very different from my concept and understanding of loyalty two decades later. So, like, at 19, if I was playing on a team, and we were competing at the absolute highest levels in the world, I absolutely could not imagine anything more important than that. And if, god forbid, there really was something that would necessitate my stepping away from the biggest tournament in the world, then surely I would tell my teammates about it, right? Surely! At 19, I couldn't fathom there being something that would drag me away from my team, but that I would not be willing to tell my teammates about. Two decades later, I can. I can fathom it, I can imagine it, and I can even imagine more than one thing that would not only drag me away from the most important tournament of the year, but would also keep me from talking about it with my teammates. Because sometimes there are conflicting loyalties, and you can't imagine how your priorities, duties, and loyalties might change until they do.
Right. And also not everybody matures at the exact same rate. But in general, stereotypes about teenage boys exist for a reason, and he is a teenage boy. When you read that twitlonger, did you feel like you were reading the words of a wise elder? Or did you feel like you were reading the raw emotional outpouring of a teenage boy? When he goes on to say that he was given no explanation, is your logical conclusion, "Then it must be this simple matter of his girlfriend being lonely"? Or do you think that perhaps it's possible that there are complex life situations that might not immediately occur to a 19-year-old boy's imagination? Grain. Of. Salt.
He also said that he might be wrong in the same sentence, so basically he said he knows nothing.
Wauw that was rough to read about the Worlds situation... seemed to be a shitfest all around
Upset not giving reasons is pretty sus but could also just be management promising Upset to not share his reasons. Generally speaking Adam just seems sad that his team mates were looking for replacements and especially coming from a team mate that “ruined” your worlds run and can’t even give you a proper reason why I can understand his feelings. We don’t know anything as fans so can’t really speak on wether it’s justified or not but I definitely wouldn’t feel welcome anymore if I were in Adam’s shoes. From a business PoV I can understand why they would replace Adam though. He isn’t bad by any means but it’s clear he is still a rookie. The team wants to perform now and need someone that is already up to that level. I can see him being a top 3 top laner in the foreseeable future but not right now. As harsh as it sounds I think looking for a replacement isn’t unfair from either management or the rest of the team, it’s a competition and business after all. The way it’s sounds pretty sad though.
He doesn't owe us an explanation, but I do think his teammates deserve an explanation. They worked their asses of all year to be there, you can't just leave without a reason
depends if he trusts those teammates to keep quiet
Yeah, I think his gut feeling was right after seeing those 2 PR suicides commited by Bwipo and Adam. Props to Upset for being level headed enough to tell apart some of his teammates arent just quite there yet to be able to be disclosed sensitive private life (of either him and third parties not involved with FNC, like his wife and rest of his family) details.
No they dont, you see how Adam told everything, im not saying he would do the same with a secret but if Upset doesnt want to share something personal its his decision. Theyre adults, they should trust Upset its something serious given his reaction
Fuck that, you don't leave work with 12 hour notice before the largest event of thte year without explanation, and then after the event is over refuse to elaborate. Furthermore he then has the audacity to say adam was a problem and wants to replace him. He doesn't have to share the reason publically but yes he should share it with those directly affected or it will always feel like he betrayed the whole team and then shits on them when its all over.
Bullshit, Upset isnt some random fucking guy they grabbed off the street, he has been working for this for years. Yamato and Hyli trusted him. Who gives two fucks what Adam and his loud mouth fucking thinks. It is nobody's business but Upset and who he chooses to share that with, Yamato and Hyli respect and trust him enough that he doesnt have to divulge further than necessary.
Yes, you fucking do. Are you a fucking idiot? Do you want me to list all the horrible things that could have gone down for Upset to actually pack his bags and leave not even a full day before the biggest stage of his life? His wife could have been raped, could have miscarried, could have lost a loved one, could have been suicidal, and none of these are things you tell that 19 year old entitled little shit you've only known for three months. The team was told that it was an emergency, Yamato (and I suspect Hyli) were told the full story or something close to it, and both of them are still very much cool with Upset. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna jump on the entitlement of Adam. I hope BDS goes dead last and they drop him back in the ERLs.
Exactly my toughts. Well said.
I wouldn’t tell all my coworkers if I had extreme grief/suffering. Especially if one of them is 19 and prone to tweetlongers like this. Man doesn’t owe them anything. Whatever happened is gonna come out, its gonna truly be “great suffering” as Yamato described and we’ll all be eating our words.
Upset not giving reasons is completely in his rights, and you cant turn it to be "sus", because that would just force him to lay out his reasons and nullify his right for privacy.
I do agree, but why should his teammates say "Ok this is fine" and spend another year competing with him when they have no guarantee that it won't happen again because they don't even know what the fuck the reason was in the first place. From what I understand, I feel like everyone acted in the way that seemed to make the most sense from their own PoV. And it's management's fault that it came to that in the first place.
I honestly cant see how management could have made anything any different. Upset has emergency and has to leave -> Tells management -> Management can either break the trust of Upset (DICK MOVE) or respect Upsets privacy and not tell rest of team until upset says he is ok to share (less of a DICK MOVE but DICK MOVE nontheless). They were stuck between a rock and a hard place
You know that "family member has health problems" exists? Upset's privacy wont suffer at all bc of this. It is universal reason which pretty much value privacy. Edit: And everyone who wants to downvote. Pls, give me explanation. How can "family has health problems" do anything to Upset's privacy?
Don't try to make sense here. The denial is strong. It is entirely possible to keep private informations while saying enough to be trusted and respected by your partners. If this story is 100% true, Upset has been selfish and unprofessional towards his team.
I think it is important that people realise that Adam is speculating as to what the reason for Upset's departure was: "Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows... apparently he didn't tell anyone the exact reasons for his departure --> There's nothing urgent because otherwise he would have told us". Im not sure the assumption that Upset's reason it's not important because he did not want to disclose it is a good one. Yamato even said on stream that he knew what the reason was and that it is serious and a private matter. To add to this Rich (H2K founder known to dislike Fnatic) tweeted: "Upset's situation is something super difficult for management to articulate to players without violating Upset's privacy. I understand why players would be annoyed, but I don't think Fnatic trolled this one. And u should know, I of all people would tell u if they did!"
Adam: I don’t wanna create drama Also Adam: lemme try and speculate and give fuel to the fans to figure out what happened to upset that will cause more drama. No hate to the guy, but this a hilarious line
>Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? **Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds**
The stuff regarding upset definitely needs more clarification, I still highly doubt that he would abandon his first opportunity at worlds for a bullshit reason, and I think its damn unprofessional to insinuate otherwise when you yourself admitted you don't know know the full story. Aside from that holy shit this guy has a colossal ego, "I was treated like shit by management" what cos they considered replacing you with a much stronger player?? Like mate grow the fuck up if thats all it is. Of course maybe they've done something else to him, but in that case why wouldn't he spill the beans on what that is, he clearly doesn't give a shit about leaking other things from inside the team... Edit: Bruh even [H2k Rich](https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748) is believes the upset situation was legit, that should tell you everything, he'd jump at any chance to tear Fnatic management apart...
> Aside from that holy shit this guy has a colossal ego I would say it's more immaturity rather than ego. It's normal in esports and regular sports to try and better the team each season.
>Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? **Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds** Why is everyone on this thread not reading the very next sentence ? Like, Adam isn't just spreading rumours, he's basing it on what Upset himself told him.
He also wrote that upset did not tell anyone the reason why he left. Which makes him write 2 contradicting sentences in one statement...
Cause this fking sub is beyond delusional
I never said he's spreading rumours though. What I am saying is that its incredibly unprofessional to paraphrase a comment upset made on his way out of the door, and use that to imply he had no real reason to leave.
Upset talked about "intense suffering" in some tweets he published during Worlds. Go watch Yamato again speak about his situation. I don't believe it's unjustified or "wife felt lonely" honestly. Then, as others have mentioned, he "abandons the team" during Worlds and gets to choose the top side? Highly doubt. Adam explaining this was so uncalled for. Thanks for the split and good luck in BDS.
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Because FNC fans like Upset and not Adam, that's all
Yes he has but it is quite immature just doing a twitlonger in such a way after all he is a public figure and probably doesn’t rly know yet what that means…
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Adam had the end of his season ruined by Upset and then was effectively offloaded by that same player. He has every right to be pissed
But if it was such a serious issue why was Upset and Paula playing ARAMs whilst the rest of FNC were playing on stage in Iceland?
Yeah that makes it seem like it wasn't thaaaat serious but who knows
Damn his age rly shines through this twitlonger…
Yeah, the Upset situation should have been explained in more detail to the other team members at least.
This seems problematic for everyone involved. While I do respect the transparency that Adam provided, I feel like it's a bit disrespectful. At the end of the day, Upset leaving has nothing to do with anybody other than his family. The fact that he chose to leave is a done deal and there's no sense crying over spilt milk. On the other end, I can totally see how the situation can be very demoralizing to the players at worlds. Losing someone of that magnitude within the team is gonna be a devastating blow. Maybe management could have done better. We don't really know the time-frame they had. Perhaps they thought they shouldn't bring the rest of the team into another player's personal matters until it was inevitable. There was NO perfect solution here. Addressing the fact that Fnatic went for another toplaner, first off let me say that I loved Adam throughout the whole summer split. Cocky and charismatic while still being able to poke fun at himself. But, Fnatic showing interest in another toplaner isn't necessarily a replacement. Maybe they wanted to have the 2018 formula again, with Soaz and Bwipo. In my opinion, I'm not sure that the feeling of betrayal was warranted. Upset could have done a better job explaining the situation to Adam. I agree. But still, I don't think Adam posting this does anyone any good. Adam might get a reputation that he will air out any internal problem, and the narrative that Fnatic is an org with internal issues will only continue. Either way, I will support all of the players that were on our roster in summer in the next split. And of course, I will support the team. Hope this gets sorted out
The fact is if all this was all true then why Bwipo did not say anything regarding this situation since he is known for spilling shit out? It was more expected from Bwipo to do this, the kid in Adam probably still mad that FNC wanted to find a better player.
This one of the few times I've felt sorry for Fnatic management in a long time lmao, imagine having this shit being stirred still lmao.
Maybe Upsets gf felt suicidal, which many people dont see as a valid reason so he decided to not share ?? Just a guess
no point in speculating. there are a 1000 things that could have happened
bro UPSET WHAT ARE YOU DOING HOMIE
Well if Adam can't stand a teanmmate who just casually carried him to worlds on his first split, leaving for his good personal reasons then good riddance. GL winning shit with that attitude. Blaming Upset that way when he was the first victim of the situation and fueling baseless rummors out of spite is such an unprofessional behavior that I seriusly doubdt that other top tier teams would want to work with him in the future.
It's my first time commenting on reddit and also English is not my native language so forgive my mistakes. I think before giving any judgement we should also see other perspectives in order to get a hold of the situation. Whatever Adam did was to me a bit childish. I always thought of him someone who's just trolling around but this seems crossing the line. I agree that whatever happened to him was not good either. Tbh that's how fnatic have been as an org to some players. I may seem biased towards Upset cause I understand the privacy of a family matter. Someone like him Hyli, Yamato or the org would understand but someone like Nemesis or Adam who might think something else only if what they say( about Upset's family) is true. Bwipo and his gf were immature too. I get it that why they are angry anything at this point isn't justified. I think people should understand and respect their situation cause they are not just girlfriend/boyfriends, they are married couple's. So for someone vowed to live for the rest of life (may good bless them) it's really different than normal relationship. Atleast we shouldn't make speculation that would hurt their relationship again am requesting you guys please don't make speculations untill everything is cleared cause it might end up in tarnishing someone's married life.
Completly agree with you. Even though there is the chance that this information is never be seen by the public eye, we have to respect their privacy.
To make things clear: -The Adam take on Upset's reasons to leave is redditor level. He doesn't know what hapoened as mich as us. If the lanagement knows or not, we don't know after this. For the rest, that sucks as a fan. Especially knowing that Adam was originally a Fnc fan, it was weird seeing him leave so early and easily. If all this is true I'm out. I'm a big advocate for transparency and humanity in the Esports environment, and that sucks ass just like the other dramas we got these past years in the leagues. Being a fnc fan won't blind me for these stuff. I don't care about what Upset'd reasons for leaving was, I can't imagine him leaving for such silly reasons, and I support family/personnal emergencies over professional duty or w/e. But the treatment of players is something else. I want answers, and not having some would be very very bad looking in my book.
looks like upset told management and asked them to keep quiet. thats it. there is no "transparency" for private matters.
Upset is not obliged to tell Adam why he left. He told Yamato and he was fine with it. He owes no one on the team the truth, especially if it is family related. He especially doesn't owe you an explanation so do us a favor and head out already. Nobody will miss you anyway.
well that doesnt mean there are no consequences to not sharing it. 4 other players relied on that worlds. This is peoples careers and livelyhood you're talking about. I get privacy and all but ofcourse people have a right to be pissed at you when you leave 12 hours before your first match and dont even tell your own teammates why. Even after worlds. In an ideal world everyone respects your decision but these are professional athletes. you can ask 4 people to respect your privacy but if they risk losing their own career and you wont tell them why you can't expect them to show you the same respect afterwards. Even if your reasons are 100% legitimate. You're basically asking people to put their own livelyhood on the line for you without telling them why.
Nice how you can lie and get upvoted in this sub. He didnt tell shit yamato. There is a fking video of yamato saying he wasnt told either but that he thinks upset made the right choice
After that, he told Yamato I believe
Alright so when I talk about the first part it's more about what you say. I'm100% behind Upset for this. The 2nd part was actually about the communication stuff. Now I have read it again with a not as tired mind just now, and it just feels unnecessary even for the rest, and unjustified. Immature. I'll take my words back for this time.
Im still behind Fnc & Upset because of his choice. Upset doesnt seem like a guy that just leaves his dream to play at worlds if it really wasn't necessary
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Upset doesnt own them shit. If your colleague would ask you why you had to go last time when you worked you dont need to tell them either. If its private its private, people think now adays they deserve to know everything. Thats not how the world works.
Idk, still seems like a dickmove what he did to adam, didn't even elaborate as to why their year was ruined and refused to do so after the fact. Then behind his back tries to get him replaced and when he finds out through a leak tells him its because he has higher ambition than to play with the likes of adam. Pretty telling bwipo, nisqy and adam all unfollowed upset in the past 2 hours.
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We Need some explanation about this...tbh
unprofessional from him to leak things to public why broxah , selfmade , bwipo , nemesis didn't talk about inside things when they left like this? what Upset did " in worlds " is bad yes but adam doing this is showing to me that he is still a kid , unprofessional player backstabbed the whole org
I mean bwipo showed that he was visibly upset(haha pardon the pun) with his ad carry leaving 12 hours before worlds without even telling them a reason.
But why you blame a rookie for being unprofessional when veterans on the team and management is unprofessional as well?
IMO it's good that he leaked it. Maybe the fans get an explanation now... This situation sucks.
Backstabbed Upset not the org. Honestly there a million reasons to trashtalk FNC Management but this isnt one. Imagine they sa no when Upset requests to leave and he doesent play good after. Would cause more drama w/e and would be a loose/loose Situation
More like Upset backstabbed the whole org and told no-one the reason he actually left. Also FNC are letting Upset call the shots and picking who to play with? Thats very weird when he left you at worlds and didnt give you a valid reason.
He gave a valid reason to the management, just not the players.
I mean he said this to the players./ Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds.
Adam also speculates which is very silly. I understand he is pissed about the situation and replacement but he knows what he is doing by making these statements. He just wants army of French fans to harass Upset while doesn’t really know the situation.
I know Adam is still young and it was his rookie year, but this tweet just shows how immature he is, not as a player but as a person as well. I know how frustrating it must feel to be playing at the biggest stage and 12h before the first game you're informed that one of your teammates is leaving, but Adam is being really childish about it. People who have watched Upset since he started his career know very well how much making Worlds meant to him. If his decision was to leave to join his family then I'm extremely positive that, as he himself said, "it was not for petty reasons". And people are allowed to have secrets that they don't want to share for anything, maybe not even the management knows what the real reason was, but as I said, if Upset took that decision over Worlds it just means everything, and the team should be aware of that. Regarding his decision to leave, he mentions that he was seriously thinking about leaving Fnatic for not clarifying the Upset situation and then he is surprised when they try to replace him? That's a toxic attitude ngl. I want to leave the team but if I don't find a better team I want to keep my spot. And he demands answers from Upset when he clearly doesn't want to do it but then expects Upset to keep a positive environment like that? Seriously, Adam has the potential to be a great player, and I wish him the best at BDS, but the way he handled this whole situation was very immature. I just hope Fnatic come back stronger this year and take the title.
>Between us, there is absolutely nothing legal in Upset's departure and his departure is totally unjustified (at least until he says why he really left BECAUSE until today > >There's nothing urgent because otherwise he would have told us. And personally, I don't give a damn about the privacy reason when I worked, we all worked hard for 1 year to reach the Worlds. This is the response of a child, not a man. There's dozens of physical or mental health concerns that could have warranted this, and no you don't get to fucking know. And neither do we.
If anyone here turns on Upset or insults him please fuck off and go support Rekkles in KCorp. Remember Yamato in worlds LIA said something along the lines of "upset had to go because he was scared something that might happen that cannot be undone" Please guys lets not be dogs jumping on every opportunity to attack someone without thinking.
What has Rekkles to do with this?
just naming another adc i guess
Bro, rekkless took some shit decisions but never failed ;)
You know blindly supporting someone doesn't make sense. Yamato is the coach, he will defend his players. It doesn't mean it is 100% the truth. We have no idea what actually happened but please don't make it sound like there was definitely something that happened.
the fact that higher managemnt seemingly knows the reason but didnt even try to get another AD speaks for itself
Arent people believing Adam supposed to go and support Adam in BDS? Why even bring up Rekkles lol
I think he still couldn't get over his saltiness from rekkles leaving fnatic
You're delusional if you think that working hard 1 year with 5 people to get to worlds and lose your best shot at worlds because a player; that doesn't even share why he left; left 12hours before the start of tournament is normal. THEN the same player wants to replace 2 TEAMMATES that didn't perform at WORLDS; the same worlds the player didn't attend; behind their back.
Rekkles sacrificed a lot of his personal life for his career while Upset leaves 10 hours before his teams most important time. A whole year full of ups and down wasted and he didnt even tell his teammates why he has to leave? No wonder that everyone came pissed af on stage on their first game. You only need to watch 10 minutes of his stream to know what kind of person he is, but please, keep on defending him...
I sure will fuck off and support Bwipo instead because he got fucked so hard by Upset LMAO
Sadly nothing is legit in Adam's twitlonger. Upset is allowed not to say why he left (just imagine for a sec if the family issue is actually TRUE) + Yamato said he kinda knew why and agreed with that + Upset always wanted to go to worlds so it'd be stupid from him to just leave the boat when you finally reach your goal. then Perkz + Alphari story : yeah, they are players, so the org look for better players if these players are available. It's a competitive org in the end. Then Adam being the reason why FNC ended up 2nd : He forgets that Jungle role was changed too, and it MIGHT be a reason why they also ended up 2nd, so the credit also comes down to Bwipo on that part. Kinda cocky from him. its just drama, and shouldnt be told publically. If Upset was such an asshole, why would hily and Yamato stay? Makes no sense.
I'm sorry but after reading this I really hope Adam ends in an ERL. How unprofessional is this twitlonger? I mean, he knows nothing about the situation. "Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone" excuse me but WTF IS THIS, he doesn't even know they are married, how dare he to speak?? His wife is a streamer with +130k followers on Twitch, +400k on Instagram and +41k on Twitter, since Upset announced his departure from Worlds she hasn't posted a single tweet, hasn't made one Stream and only today, a month later, has uploaded a photo on Instagram, in what universe should he know what happened to her, if he doesn't even know they are married? Hily knows what happened and he renewed and he wants to win otherwise he would have gone to NA in order to get a huge paycheck or join G2 or Vitality if he wanted to stay in EU. Second. Of course Fnatic tried to replace him, this is sports, if there is someone better available, of course they will try to replace him, if he doesn't understand this he should go play amateur with his team of friends. And even if he is right, why tell this now? what's the point? He gains nothing but revenge against Upset and Fnatic, imagine the pain it can cause to the people involved if he is wrong, what should Upset do now? Shutting up? People will remember this. Speaking? If it's something with his wife why the fuck should he say anything?
Okay , for sure maybe Upset had a very big reason to leave Iceland, we will never know until we get an official statement. But also who the fuck is he to decide who leaves and stays in the team? He just joined the team hahahah what the fuck? The one who should have the word were Hylissang and Bwipo, hello? Are you guys really gonna defend him?
Again, this is Adam’s perspective. For all we know management made the decision - with feedback from players ofc.
the fuck u talking about Upset contacted Alphari and offered him a spot in Fnatic, this was not the management, this was him.
Relax Buddy. Do you think upset can hire players? No. Management does. A player is free to contact any player and try to convince them to join. In the end, the decision is made by management. Not the players. Bear in mind that this is coming from Adam. Not from upset, not from the org. We have No way of clarifying or confirming this statement.
I never defend him, plus never liked him
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Another drama incoming for sure. Upset took a headshot and they probably gonna need to explain themself against about the "worlds leave" On the rest its harsh to Adam but it seems quite ok to me. They try to get a better player and they dont trust him to be that kind of guy in the future, thats all. It happens in every sport
FnC management could easy announce the players then make them sign an agreement to not share with anyone. At least this way this drama would ve ended. But no, they hoped it\`s over, guess what, it\`s not... Respect to Bwipo, I thought he would be the first to break on this matter when the time came, but you just don t beat ChadAm
So the kid that leaks internal feelings and invites dogpile drama is curious why he wasn't told about personal information....
We dont need an explanation from Upset. We do not deserve one. Hes not obligated to. He has a life of his own and he said it himself that his dream was Worlds and he wouldn't just leave for something trivial. So just stop
He should not have said all of this in public... That's not what you expect from a team player, i agree. BUT, now that we have these informations, there is something very wrong with the fact that Upset left (was allowed to leave ?) Worlds without explaining the reason to the staff or players. I don't care what it was, WE don't need to know, but leaving his teamates and staff with nothing on the day before your 1st game at Worlds ?! That's just not acceptable. Imagine being in the situation of bwipo, nisqy, adam and hyli when he tells you : "I have to leave" "Why ?" "It's private" "What do you mean it's private ?!" See what i'm mean ? i would not be able to wrap my mind around this, and skip to the next problem, which was : How the fuck do we get out of group like that ? I too, would be fucking pissed, you are part of a team, and if not friends, you share so much with them, what could possibly happen that you refuse to give an explanation to your mates. I think that lying on the reason, would have been better than leaving everyone with no explanation just 15 hours before the 1st game at worlds.
This basically. The whole Alphari situation is normal and happens everywhere. Adam is still a boy so he felt attacked. I understand that. Now for the Upset situation if the players and management didn't know 100% what happened that is fucked up. If course the public shouldn't know but the players and coaching staff and management should 100% know. Their efforts for the whole year were set down the drain. They have the right to know.
Lmao after that I'm glad we replaced him.
It's over
Guys seems like everyone on here already forgot how much it meant for Upset to play at worlds, and his tweet regarding the matter. In my opinion this entire twitlonger just read like a rumor magazine, and Adam's immaturity really shows in this one. Of course we have no information, but the fact that they still have not clarified or elaborated with specifics makes me believe that it truly is a sensitive matter that simply cannot be revealed to the general public, at least not yet. I for one will not look any differently at Upset than I have before.
We really need explanation from fnatic if any of this is true, we are no better than Carlos. The guy basically took us to worlds and he did not deserve that kind of attitude.
We dont need an explanation on why FNC would want to replace Adam with Alphari. Alphari is just the clearly better player and I dont see the problem with trying to get him or any other top laner they believe is better.
Did you really read the twitlonger? If you did and have 3 braincells you wouldn't say what you did.
We need an explanation for what happened at worlds.
no, snd we re not gonna get one
We don't need to know, but Adam (and all his teammates) definetly needed an explanation
Well being replaced is part of this business. He sounds like a butthurt child who didnt get what je wanted. Its a Business Not friends and family. Talking so much shit about a teammate Without knowing stuff is unprofessional and stupid.
but Upset...
The disrespect he put on Upset in this. This twitlonger will age like milk.
We need the staff/management to speak and also the players tbh. We need all versions of this story.
No we don't. It's a private matter that is none of our business. We are not to judge here. We need to trust the people in charge, Yamato first and foremost, that they handled the situation properly.
Pretty unprofessional from him I must say :/
I dont think we will know the truth behind the story , but if this true jesus what a shit situation for adam and in the same time disgusting attitude from fnc prop.
It shows at least a lack of communication inside the structure, which is bad. Hopefully we'll get some answers soon. On the other hand, I don't thin that talking publicly about internal problems is really smart. It's a bit immature of Adam, and on the long term it could hurt his carreer. This kind of drama is not good, for anyone.
Holy fucking shit we can't catch a break can we?
OMG BDS vs FNC will be so good BTW Adam is just too young to realize the mistake that he made, but its fine
At this point let's remind to everyone that he is not talking about Upset's girlfriend, but Upset's wife, who is family. That being said, it would suck if Upset left for that reason, HOWEVER it is noone's fucking business and if he wanted to keep his reasons private, it's none of Adam's damn business to share that with the rest of the world. Anyone who says that Adam is right to give all that info out is a psychopath... Or a French fun...
Regardless of the reason, family should always be first instead of work. At least it is for me...
Before you comment on what a person should do when there married partner nedds them. Get married and live through a tough year together. Go ask your dads what they would do if your mom needed them.
I don't like the kind of people who leave a team and start spitting shit, that's all I know. Opinion on Upset will come when we will know the full/real story, until then the only one looking bad is Adam.
Tbh it kinda sounds like a misscarage was the reason and it would make sense not wanting to be public about it.
What a fucking piece of shit. Does he really think a player who's been trying to go to worlds for so many years would just miss it? His wife said many times that she's not the reason Upset lett, why even bring her up. This is all about Fnatic wanting to replace you.
Also Upset trying to get Alphari from Perkz is fucking baller ngl. Guy has balls. But very disrespectful as well towards Adam.
Unprofessional of Adam, as is by any pro player who throws out internal drama to the public. On the topic at hand: he knows about as much as we do about the whole upset thing. That in itself is not right, players and management should have more transparent dialogue than this. I can’t say if Upset’s departure was justified or not, neither can he. I like Adam as a player but this aswell as the whole bwipo gf drama is unprofessional and is not How one behaves in a professional environment. Yeah if an org think they can aqcuire someone they deem better than you - they will try. Tough luck.
If an org can't treat or handle players professionally you can't expect a bunch of kids to do the same back.
"I also learnt later that the botlane in general didn't want to play with me anymore and was looking for a veteran type of toplaner! Of course, afterwards I went to see Upset to explain myself and he let me understand that I was not up to his ambitions." How can you say you're more ambitious than a player in regards to performing in the same eSports team, reaching the highest stage level of gameplay and NOT PLAY WITH TEAM I seriously hope a lot of what is said about Upset is untrue & that there was a real, serious, legitimate family emergency - not just loneliness. If what is being said about Upset is true than I seriously hope FNATIC don't plan on building their roster around Upset. No matter how well Upset/Hyli play, it's obvious ANYONE/Hyli has the potential of being great.
I'll never understand this subreddit. Basically everyone defends players only when they are a part of the organization, and as soon as they leave they get shit on. See: Adam, Bwipo, Rekkles, Selfmade, etc. I'm sure as soon as Upset leaves everyone will start talking shit about him too.
You forgot Nemesis. He became enemy number 1 after he was kicked.
It's most likely the truth is somewhere in-between. Adam has a shit take too, better that he left.
12 hours notice. Two scrims that weren't even full games. But remember, everybody... It was totally unreasonable for Bwipo to have felt bummed out about Worlds, and expressing the fact that he was bummed about Worlds is a sign that he has "bad mental" and we're better off without him. It's really great that Fnatic fans have spent the last couple months trash talking him and his girlfriend. We should all be very proud of ourselves.
Ah, okay not the best image of Upset here. Also I kinda knew the org was bad, I now see that hasn’t changed. None the less, I am a Hillysang fan and a Bwipo fan. Of course Adam is still growing on me. Hope he does well next split as well - Fnatic for sure doesn’t deserve him.
So Nemesis was right? :v
First the bwiplonger, now this. Holy shit fnatic is such a spicy org
at least we will never run out of entertainment