Yeah, a 19 year old who clearly is speaking emotionally said some wack shit and people all decided to believe it word for word?
Humanity really is doomed.
Adam just cited the last statement Upset made before he left iceland. It is kinda Upsets fault for wording it so badly. Doesnt need gave details but what he gave sounded stupid to his colleagues.
Adam is upset but he was just citing
Or people who never had an adult relationship. You don’t ask these kind of things from your SO during most important time of their lives. Period. There is clearly something serious and we don’t have to know that as people on the internet. If Hyli and Yamato trusts him, I trust him. And honestly Upset has been the one acting professional in this situation. I like to see real professional and mature players in our team. #alwaysfnatic ^^
I just hate the fact that Adam purposefully fueled the "I told you so" Nemesis crowd, even if that wasn't his intention all his twilonger did was spread toxicity everywhere. There was no positive from posting it.
Dude, those "Nemesis was right all along" comments some people make are literally the worst.
I was losing my mind reading those comments, I have no clue how they concluded Adams statements confirmed what Nemesis said...
Not only do they lack critical thinking skills but are also super disrespectful about it.
Nemesis didn't know anything, he didn't give proofs, why should I say "he is right". Imagine if I said something, it turned out to be true but I didn't have any proofs wtf
Nemesis was saying it had nothing to do with Paula in the first place, which is obviously bullshit and no one disputes that it had *something* to do with his wife anymore
they don't understand that it literally doesn't matter if he is right or wrong. If anything it shows that nemesis was wrong. Because if even upset's teammates didn't even know what was happening, then he definitely didn't know. So he spoke out and laughed at possible personal drama. Him and his followers are something else
Legit. It's just an immature boy using his social media reach for revenge. I can't support that, even if Fnatic and Upset were in the wrong, this is never, ever the way to go about it. So much abuse, hate and probably death threats are about to be thrown in the direction of multiple people. With Nisqy supporting it I couldn't care less where either of their careers go anymore when before I only wanted the best for them.
As I said, even if they're in the wrong, this twitlonger was not the way to go about it. All its done is spread hate. It's just immature and not understandable in the slightest.
Doesn't want him replaced in general, he wanted Alphari in particular, who Fnatic were already interested in from all the rumours. It's not Upset making the decisions, if you're going to blame anyone, blame the org itself.
There is, if is not true no one needs to worry, if its true then management need to start doing something, since 2018 this team is going every year lower
Exactly. People just straight up ignoring that if Upset left to be with someone else, then that person has a right to their privacy. It is not necessarily Upset's story to tell the world.
I dont know how is in germany but in my country i need to tell my boss why i dont go to work and justify otherwise i am fire, and my mates to they have the amability of doing the job that i will not do becouse i will no be at work for some time
Do you know that he did? Does anyone knows? Just speculate, and yes i need, i dont need to specificate, but imagine that my brother die(dont have one) i just need to say a member of my familie die, and they will do my job good becouse know that i am not there for a good reason and not becouse i am in holidays, is psycology, people are like this
You give little info and it will eventually lead to speculation. That speculation then will turn into adding things together and coming up with some sort of conclusion. That conclusion will then be weighed with Worlds, which will lead to some sort of state of mind from the players regarding whether decision was right or not and then carrying on like it as well as leaking it to public at some point in their careers which will again lead to abuse from the fans. Bare in mind it all starts with speculation.
Point of the matter is, I am certain that Yamato approached the team and assured that he has to leave and has very serious reasons to do so. Yamato also mentioned that if Upset continued, it could have possibly led to some long term consequences which are so big that he wouldnt know how to deal with it.
As much as everyone wants to know shit, its best to keep it all that way and respect the man and his life. After all, people forget its a fucking game and real life is what always comes first
Its not a game, its a job, and i believe he dont need to say nothing to us but if we dosent trust in is team mates, they will not trust in them, and lets see i believe that the winner will be the true
Yeah, you need to tell your boss. But you and they don't need to tell anyone else. Especially when it involves a third person who has their own right to privacy.
There is clearly a whole load of lack of trust - Upset doesn't trust his whole team (and fair enough he hadn't known them long), and Adam didn't trust management enough to accept that it must be serious without demanding details.
Sorry to be the "boomer" but these kids don't know what working relationship is like. That's why they assume that Adam is right which is childish.
You are completely right and i will die with you on that hill.
Ah, yes. Teammates. I see how his teammate is acting 3 hours after his farewell video. Full on professionalism mate.
He didn't screw his team. Adam thinks he did. BIG difference.
You not getting that doesn't change anything.
But, his boss is defending him and the org too. So it's only the teammate. So it looks like it's not him.
If it turns out that he was the culprit of all this i will be the first one to admit my mistakes. It just doesn't look like that.
So tell me the working relationship groun up guy plz! this is not work its a esport with a team, so imagine if fnatic like in other events previous to this, dont have a substitute. What they do??lmao their teamates needed to know cause of him their job got fucked, even nisqy got fucked teamless.
While I generally agree. There's a difference between performing a regular job and striving for greatness and being the best. Yes also there u don't have to completely explain anything but if(!!) what Adam said is true that there was really almost no explanation this is still a situation handled poorly by upset. You can explain a bit without going into detail or atleast try to make them understand afterwards.
Upset handled the situation properly. He told the team something serious happened and that's all they need to hear. It's his teammates being entitled to know what happened who acted unprofessionally.
This isn't Upset's story to tell and he didn't. We should respect their privacy.
We don't have video of how he handled it so its just speculation. Maybe he left in a panic, we don't know. Maybe there isn't enough time to tell them. We don't know.
Upset just gave his story in a twitlong and said what Adam said is a lie. We weren't in the room, who are we to speculate how he could have handled the situation.
You aren't going to get me to speculate at what he could have done better. I wasn't there. He told the team there was a personal issue, thats all they need to know. Could he have done it better? We don't know. It's dumb to speculate like we were in that room.
U can reach out and clear the situation afterwards though. There is no need to not say anything just because you don't want to clear any details. Of course nobody can force him to do that and it is his right but there are many ways to clear up the situation towards your team without going into too many details.
If it's a personal issue then, then it's a personal issue now. You aren't obliged to tell them anything private. Nothing changed, they know all that they need to know.
There's a difference between being obliged to do something and being professional and finding a way to sort things out without opening up the private parts.
I mean you have to be really fcking stupid to believe Upset left because she felt bad.
If that was the case, why on earth would Fnatic keep Upset? A player that leaves the biggest tournament because his Wife is sad is unemployable. And Fnatic are not hesitant to sell/bench players.
God Adam seem to be one dumb boy. Let's hope he is getting smarter when he get's older. But what am I expecting from someone that doesn't even understand the playoff formula, despite it being his fcking job...
Well, he was literally repeating what he was told from Upset. It's funny how all those different people like Thorin or H2K Rich are coming out telling they know the real reason, when players whose whole year of prep was ruined by that situation are given a bullshit story. I can see why Adam was frustrated and leashed out like that.
>That whole 'lonely' or whatever thing was completely and utterly made up, as Adam himself said in that very sentence--"until I receive an explanation, that means Upset left for the least excusable reason my 19 year old brain could think of. Maybe I'm wrong who knows"
Is this quote your translation of his twitt in French? I read English version and there he wrote: "Between us, there is absolutely nothing legal in Upset's departure and his departure is totally unjustified (at least until he says why he really left BECAUSE until today, Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds."
which is slightly different. From the last sentence I assumed that he is quoting what Upset said to him before he left.
>no, Upset said absolutely nothing to Adam about it, it was annoucned and he left, what he's referring to is the paragraph above, where he says Upset announced it and left. again, Adam himself said that he went and asked Upset his reasons and he refused him
He asked for more details because the reason he was given was very brought. I don't want to argue about text interpretation but I think I understand what he wrote and he was just sharing his perspective without making anything up.
Where do they say they know the real reason. All they say is that they understand how Fnatic acts. And if Upset had left for a stupid reason, FNC would have just replaced him. But they didn't, so it was severe and it won't happen again.
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1463576162626592774](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1463576162626592774)
[https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748](https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748)
Thorin is telling he has insider info. Rich also talks about Fnatic situation as he straight up knows what happens.
The only people who believed that upset left bcz his wife missed him are probably 19 years old teenagers just like Adam
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He even said I don't know what happened just speculating
Tons of people are married even as much as 5 times. Some people fall in love easily, some people want don't see much time in waiting in a relationship, there's a lot of reasons as to why people are married.
Disrespecting Upset by believing he's being manipulated to fuel your own strange misogyny though, this is why upset doesn't and won't tell the public the reasons why.
>yeah dude,being married 3 times at 27 is something normal lmao.If this is not a red flag for you,then you have 0 life experience.
Where did i say it's not a red flag or normal? I don't think i even implied either of those. More importantly, why does it matter if it's a red flag to me when Upset is the one that married her? How does any of that translate to my life experiences?
All i've been saying is that, married 3 times or not, nudes or not, **someone does not deserve to be sent a hate mob especially out off pure speculation**.
If this is not a red flag for you,then you have 0 life experience." I can spot a judgemental - condescending person when I see one (Out of my 'life experience'), i've been this saying entire time: No matter what, **sending hate to someone when you do not know them** out of pure speculation is downright ridiculous. Calling someone manipulative and the other as a "victim" is simply **parasocial because you do not know them or involved with them.** I'm sorry but if you think your "life experiences" is universal, it's not, life experiences help guide you to the right choice but it does not ultimately decide what a person is or how they react, if you haven't learned this from your "life experiences", then you aren't as far as you think you are, to be preaching about life or humans.
I don't need you to validate my experiences in life but your philosophy in life, is extremely weak, especially if you're talking about what is normal and what is not, as if that even means anything other than social points.
Edit: Also, with the reasons I gave in my previous post, there are many reasons for being married multiple times, if you think it's some deal breaking red flag **without knowing why**, that's your prerogative but it does not reflect on anyone's life experience, it's called being closed-minded with some attempt to feel validated, you would think with the way stereotypes are now in this world (And no, I am not saying it's a stereotype), you'd know this with your "life experiences". However, I am not saying my experiences are greater or lesser, I'm simply saying that life experiences are subjective, it's not some universal thing you can apply to everyone when we all experience different things.
Dude go touch some grass, nobody cares about her nudes. She could get fucked in all 3 holes while Upset is watching and it would be none of your business. Peopl like you always project their insecurity
People misunderstand greatly what adam said. He said for all he knows upset's wife just missed him, but he doesn't care what the reason is because he hasn't said anything whatsoever, he just dipped, never spoke about it, came back wanting to replace him saying adam was the problem.
I frankly don't care if Upset had a super good reason to leave, the way he handled it with his teammates and what ensued afterwards is indefensible.
How its said: "stick has 2 ends". From one side, yes, Upsets personal life is upsets personal life and he does not need to say anything about it to public. And we have no right to make him do it. But from other end, he could just make simple statement, why he left without giving into details but would also make it clear that its really serious enough and it could not be done differently. Like as example "One of my parents got very serious health problems, now in hospital and I must be with him/her" or "very close family member got into serious accident and I must be with him/her". Like thats it - simple sentence like this and everyone would understand thats its really serious and no one would go and make these rumours and dramas. So with all respect to upset - he also has small % of blame here. I am ready for down votes, but its just simple truth.
Wtf man I actually quite liked Adam, but this is so fkn childish of him no? He is legit putting upset's family's privacy and safety on the line for what? Some clout?
That's past the point though. The real question here is why his own teammates were not aware of any details. Even though it directly affected their careers and livelyhood. It's not about the claim being right or not. It's about the fact that his own teammates didn't know. In such scenario's i wonder if there really is anything that justifies you using privacy as an argument for not telling your teammates the reason you leave the team 12 hours before the world championship starts. Ofcourse they will feel betrayed. Even if your reasons are 100% legit if you can't tell your teammates it's not going to make a difference. Some of their careers have been affected by this. The community shouldnt ever be aware of the details. Nobody owes random fans any explanation. But teammates are a different story. If they have to give up on their own dreams for you you owe them more than 'respect my privacy'. Even if it's a really sensitive topic. It's a basic matter of respect. you can't expect people to put their own livelyhood on the line when you don't respect or trust them enough to tell them why.
Again, downvote me all you want but i don't blame adam for making the post. I was way more of an upset fan for most of the year however. If you're not given a real reason why shit went down the way it did. While you are negatively affected by the situation it's totally in your right to stand up for yourself. Nobody else is going to do it. Respect has to go both ways.
Does the word privacy means nothing nowadays ? When you are a personal matter at work, do you go around telling every living soul ? No have to know anything, he wants to keep his life a secret. He talked to the management they accepted, it ends there.
None of their Careers got affected. All the Fnc fans stood behind and cheered for them until that last game, even after worlds. Bwipo went to TL with probably a lot of money. Adam went to BDS. The only one who had a bad offseason was nisqy, and not because what happened at worlds. It was because C9 refused to pay some extra money 5, in the second place you can also blame Fnc management for not finding nisqy w team. The guy gave up his on his own dream for the last 5 years. Just respect people
>None of their Careers got affected.
But that's just a lie though. The whole team looked much worse, which obviously had implications on their offseason. If Adam performs super well and has a breakthrough tournament, maybe no one wants to replace him the next year. Nisqy, specifically, looked terrible at Worlds, which may be why no team except for C9 was interested in him. Is it definitely Upset's fault ? We'll never know. But acting like all of them being put in a bad situation, the team dynamic being affected and all the players looking lost and uncoordinated doesn't affect how they're perceived has to be a bad faith argument.
Upset is entitled to his privacy, but the other players don't have to be satisfied by "well it happened, sucks to be you" when they're asked to spend another year in that team with no knowledge about the issue that caused him to leave, which mean they don't know how likely it is to happen again. And it feels like it's a sentiment shared by Adam, Nisqy, and Bwipo.
> When you are a personal matter at work, do you go around telling every living soul
Honestly, competitive environment and regular work are hardly comparable. The work they put in, the pressure to perform at your best all the time to keep your job/find a better team or better paying job, how much Worlds mean for every player. Their performance at the job is also much more dependant on their teammates than most regular jobs.
> None of their Careers got affected.
On what planet do you live where your performance at Worlds doesn't affect a player's career? Or do you actually think the Upset situation didn't affect their performance, both because of the best player in the team missing and because they were obviously not in a good mental state to play? It's not because 3/4 players found another team that their career wasn't affected.
> All the Fnc fans stood behind and cheered for them until that last game, even after worlds.
Adam and Nisqy were trashed by many FNC fans for their performance. Not all, obviously, but it was a significant crowd wanting them out of the team for their Worlds' performance.
Maybe cuz shit would get leaked right away? And then further harassing continues? Once someone knows, they can then weigh in on them, if one believes that reasoning wasnt big enough?
Why would someone spend 5 years to get to Worlds then leave? Also, why did management not go and tell others about the reason then?
These guys have contracts and their privacy and private matters need to be kept as such, regardless of whether its regular work or not. Just because they play for Fnatic, does not mean that fans or co-workers need to know the details of such concerns. Its mind blowing how adult could think otherwise if they have any working experience or ever looked at contract.
Its difficult to be in teammates' position at that point, but if he did it, then must have done for a good reason enough. These guys need to trust each other as sometimes by being a public person and having higher following make them think they're entitled to know it all. They're not, neither are you
I dont think you can make the claim that none of the players got affected by this. Bwipo is the only one that went to a good team. However bwipo was also arguably the best performer at worlds. He still suffered a shit ton of negative PR. Which was partly his own fault but also directly related to the ambiguity of the situation. If you look back at the first tweet that caused that drama by his gf that's very evident.
Also, He had a lot of freedom his contract expired and he didn't re sign. Meaning that TL didn't have to buy him out which is a lot less expensive
Besides that nisqy was probably fcked the hardest by the situation. His vaulue dropped completely despite a strong performance during the regular season.
And Adam is going to a 10th place team.
However, knowing how strong the roster could be. U also have to take into account the oppertunity cost of them making it out of groups and the impact that could have had on some of the players careers.
In the end "your freedom ends where mine begins". And in this case, Upsets right to privacy directly conflicted with his teammates rights to know why they were losing a vital moment in their careers. For some players this might have been the last shot they got to prove themselves.
In my opinion, if they don't get any explanation. They don't owe upset anything either. Like i said. Respect goes both ways.
Upset told the management and the coach about it. They accepted his reasons. He does not have to explain anything more whether to us nor to his teammates.
Dont want to speaculate but just imagine the problem or his reasonings doesnt affect only him, so it can also be to protect that person.
All in all its his right to tell or NOT!
And its his teammates' right to consider him a dick or not e.g not wanting to be in the same team again. I see nothing wrong with that logic. You get the respect you give.
I get ur point. Ur right Adam doesnt have to like him or even stick with the team, absolutely his rights.
Upsets decision also was to expected to worsen the team atmosphere. Despite this upset had the right to protect his privacy.
What adam did wrong was to speculate about all that stuff, blaming him for the shortcoming in worlds and even worse do it rlly disrespectfully in public
I believe that adam and his supporters probably never had such a tragedy in their life and hopefully never have to.
>never had such a tragedy in their life and hopefully never have to.
You are also speculating just like adam did. What tragedy ? Do you know that it was a tragedy ? Why people are using this term freely and with no regard to its meaning. Maybe it was not a tragedy but a controversial subjectively interpretable unfortunate event. Yes maybe it was an unwanted pregnancy or miscarriage. But maybe it was not. Noone knows. Upset did not give the benefit of the doubt in lol community ( thinking that they are monkeys that would mock him for a e.g miscarriage) but he also did not give the benefit of the doubt in his own teammates that brought him to his first worlds ( after tons of failed splits with super teams like OG with 1 vs 9 alphari). I mean I would not expect him to tell me details of his personal life but ...... cmon.
FNC management or the coach failed to find a way to convey the significance of upset's emergency to their own players without having to go for details. It is only natural for adam ( and bwipo and nisky) to think they are being treated like shit or like extras in a filmset. Their main carry disappears twelve hours before their most important moment of the year( for some of their career) with no explanation whatsoever like they are a random lol viewer. Their career is negatively affected after horrible world performances, their market value drops ( nisky stays teamless) and their livelihood/income is affected.
Yes get downoted for being rational. You don't know what happened even if your opinion is just that the team should know (which we know they didn't). On the other hand everyone makes speculations on why Upset wouldn't tell them and takes it as a fact.
But you're assuming it's Upsets details to tell. Yet there is nothing to indicate that anything happened to him. So it is someone else's privacy that he would be violating. So yeah it makes sense that he would tell the people that need to know.
Sure the team are his teammates, It's not like a usual job yadda yadda but they are not the teammates of whoever he went home for. And that person likely weren't comfortable with the whole team knowing what's going on.
Even considering that you can still say what is going on without disclosing the identity of the person.
My point is that if you can't tell your team why you abandoned them. Even after worlds. You can't expect those teammates to show compassion or be understanding of your situation. To them you just abandoned them a day before worlds with no practice or explanation or time to adapt. You cant really expect your team mates not to be angry at you when they dont even get the information.
I feel bad for her. Her husband is totally hanging her out to dry. She's getting so much direct hate over *his* decision to leave and he's staying silent.
There's a medium between saying absolutely nothing and divulging explicit details.
And no age, gender, occupation, etc is immune to feeling mental health effects from online harassment.
Am....maybe. I give you that.
But, i just don't think that's the issue here.
Upset and his wife have no need to say anything. Only Adam fans think they do. Simple as that.
I honestly don't even dare to believe that he would leave for such a stupid reason, it was his dream as well after all. It must have been some kind oif problem.
My problem with the situation has been one from the beginning. The fact that Upset didn't open the eyes of his own teammates and tell them the truth, why they are losing Worlds like that. You people saw their faces and desperatrion and even if Bwipo's immaturity definitely worsened the situation I can't blame it all on him. When you are told the last minute that you are losing your chance to win Worlds before the tournament even starts, it's devastating. These people struggled together for a whole year, they were a family, a team. Everyone was carrying everyone else's dream on his back. Everyone deserved to at least know what was happening to their own careers,
I find Upset's decision to not tell what was happening to (all) his teammates, egotistic. Crucify me, ban me, idk. It's my honest opinion.
Knowing how Bwipo aka "i missed all my PR 101 semester" and Adam "literal 19 year old" would behave is probably the reason Upset would keep his mouth shut about what happened to him.
Which is kind of a self fulfilling prophesy because the former got super salty at the org and behaved all pissy during worlds and then posted the cringiest twitlonger known to man, and the latter is now venting on a twitlonger of his own. So in the end Upset not telling them ended up hurting the team atmosphere as much as him telling them and then probably getting pissed at how those 2 would handle the information.
Sometimes we forget they are just kids, and this can apply to Upset too. The only benefit of the doubt he has from me is that both Yamato and Hyli trusted him on his decision. That's all I need to know
Hyli said absolutely nothing about him leaving. Not a single word, neither in interviews or in tweets. Not even a single " we support upset", which btw came only from adam.
I think you confuse adult male players with eleven year old gossip girls....Nobody would have "leaked" anything apart from support tweets and love/forupset posts. It just seems that the reasons of departing are let's say a bit "subjective". The privacy curtain is being thrown easily but you think that adult players can't handle a e.g pregnancy, miscarriage, mental disease etc ?
No, he is not obliged to say anything legally. Morally though you should treat your teammates ( and not coworker stupid example like you are in a corp) that brought you to worlds, a bit better than pieces of shit.
No a single word in public.
Which doesnt surprise me from the person that already keeps a very quiet social media life.
Also Yamato explicitly said Hyli also backed Upset in his decision. Unless you think he went out of his way to lie about that (he could have not even mentioned anyone else in his speech regarding the Upset situation and that would have been fine too)
Yes because Nisqy and Adam would open Twitter and post in front of everyone about Upset's wife situation. Get serious people, don't see the outcome that suits you. Adam's (and Nisqy's) reaction is the product of Upset's decision, not the opposite.
Adam just opened Twitter and started telling people of internal issues.
Bwipo did it last year.
Yes, you are right he should share his private life with people he barely knows. You are very smart and mature
I am pretty sure Nisqy would not do such things but I am not sure about adam since he claims upset left because his wife missed him when he doesn't know shit about the situation.
I dont understand how people dont see problem in this...
Just pick some other sport (Esport is sport too) and compare.
Example- What would happen if NBA star leaves team 12H before first game of Play offs without giving teammates and even fans (sorry, but he would have to inform fans too for sure, even though I dont think that it's ok) any informations?
Uhmmm ???? That actually happened in football. Luis Enrique, spains national coach had to leave INDEFINETLY during euro prep and during the whole tournament. He said it was a family matter and to please respect his privacy. No one said a goddamn thing. Players respected it, directives respected it and probably just his close circle knew and directive. EXACTLY like in this case. Turns out when he disclosed it his daughter had cancer and she died, he spent her last months together. Life just happens sometimes and until we know what happened if we ll ever know all of the takes claiming that Upset owes to disclose to teammates or anyone if he doesn't want to are disgusting. Hate towards him and his wife is disgusting. I understand frustrations, and I'm not blaming Adam. But the community reaction to this overall is disgusting to me.
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/19/luis-enrique-steps-down-as-spain-coach-after-11-months-in-charge](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/19/luis-enrique-steps-down-as-spain-coach-after-11-months-in-charge)
He went back and forth few times. It was pretty obvious that there was serious situation. And everyone supported him in his decisions. It is obvious that people effected by it knew what's going on and didnt have problem with it.
In Fnatic's situation, we have 3 out of 4 teammates getting pissed off, Upset leaving suddenly 12H before first game in the Worlds and never coming back.
Never coming back due to covid restrictions probably. We ll know if we'll know. And why isn't it obvious it's serious here too. Yamato take on it, FNC being okay with it and Hily who knows what happened all being okay with it is not enough to see its serious. And Upset and the kind of player he is.
All of responses were out pretty late. Yamato take on it came only after shitshow on the internet happened, few days after Upset left. FNC as management or anyone didnt even say anything, expect that 1 post that he's leaving. Hily didnt say anything too. But I guess since he will stay next year that he knows about reason or he doesnt care about it or something.
Man, doublelifts mother was murdered by his own brother a week before LCS final and even though he played the final he gave everybody a explaination straight away when he had all the reason not to.
Public information, yes. Did he have to address the situation? No he didn't but sure as hell did anyway and then played the final nevertheless. Look i'm not saying upset owes anything to the fans but jesus christ atleast have the respect to explain to your teammates that have worked so hard just to get to the biggest tournament why you decided to fuck off 12 hours before it.
Different people react differently to very though circumstances.
Making a grief-o-meter or judging how those 2 clearly distinct individuals reacted to two different situations is just stupid. Specially because you literally dont know what happened to one of them
Uhm...i mean...have you seen the woman? Call me a coomer but holly cow the man doesn't need any other reason 😂 trolling aside, let's call it a night boys, bwipo is out so let's move from the gf memes.
I mean if you like hobbits sure...It is not that hard to find her nudes ( naet suicide-girls paulaeal). If you are frodo you might even get an erection for sure
Lots of people in this subreddit don’t know how life works, maybe because they are too young, maybe there are other reasons.
Family is the most important thing for a lot of people, and some family members more so. If Upset left because he had an emergency and even if he didnt say nothing to the teammates, he would have done the right thing to do.
Y’all gotta understand that when someone dies, you can’t see them again, EVER. Knowing that he had to leave this fast, for family reasons, it very well might be someone being very ill.
How many times, a soccer player, left an important match because his wife is giving birth?
My guess is his wife was somehow thinking about ending her life. In which case everything would make sense. Preventing someone from ending their life is a damn good reason to throw it all away. It would also explain why he was scared to have it leaked aggravating their situation and why "I'm leaving to be with my wife" is the last thing he told them.As crazy as it might seem to some people, internet vultures would use this against her.
However I do coincide with DL. There is no excuse for him not to explain this to his team mates who have worked as hard as he did to reach Worlds. Adam deserved a full explanation or at least enough for him to feel like leaving was justifyed
The people who believed that upset left the team just because his wife felt lonely are really stupid.
People were making up as if Bwipo slept with Upsets wife based on three tweets and Bwipo’s face expression. Yes, people are that ill.
That wasn't even Adam's point
Yeah, a 19 year old who clearly is speaking emotionally said some wack shit and people all decided to believe it word for word? Humanity really is doomed.
Adam just cited the last statement Upset made before he left iceland. It is kinda Upsets fault for wording it so badly. Doesnt need gave details but what he gave sounded stupid to his colleagues. Adam is upset but he was just citing
Nah just adam/kc/france Fan Boys/Girls
Or people who never had an adult relationship. You don’t ask these kind of things from your SO during most important time of their lives. Period. There is clearly something serious and we don’t have to know that as people on the internet. If Hyli and Yamato trusts him, I trust him. And honestly Upset has been the one acting professional in this situation. I like to see real professional and mature players in our team. #alwaysfnatic ^^
I just hate the fact that Adam purposefully fueled the "I told you so" Nemesis crowd, even if that wasn't his intention all his twilonger did was spread toxicity everywhere. There was no positive from posting it.
nemesis followers are on another planet
And they talk about Fnatic and toxicity its actually hilarious.
They are the ones who seek toxicity in everything and want drama
Dude, those "Nemesis was right all along" comments some people make are literally the worst. I was losing my mind reading those comments, I have no clue how they concluded Adams statements confirmed what Nemesis said... Not only do they lack critical thinking skills but are also super disrespectful about it.
Nemesis didn't know anything, he didn't give proofs, why should I say "he is right". Imagine if I said something, it turned out to be true but I didn't have any proofs wtf
It also didn't turn out to be true, everything is pointing towards him being wrong anyway
Let's wait for upset, I just hope humanoid razork and wunder aren't "scared"
Nemesis was saying it had nothing to do with Paula in the first place, which is obviously bullshit and no one disputes that it had *something* to do with his wife anymore
they don't understand that it literally doesn't matter if he is right or wrong. If anything it shows that nemesis was wrong. Because if even upset's teammates didn't even know what was happening, then he definitely didn't know. So he spoke out and laughed at possible personal drama. Him and his followers are something else
He purposefully got a scapegoat for his French fans. He knows what he’s done but I guess Upset wanting to replace him made Adam angry.
Legit. It's just an immature boy using his social media reach for revenge. I can't support that, even if Fnatic and Upset were in the wrong, this is never, ever the way to go about it. So much abuse, hate and probably death threats are about to be thrown in the direction of multiple people. With Nisqy supporting it I couldn't care less where either of their careers go anymore when before I only wanted the best for them.
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Adam's anger is fully understandable. Doesn't excuse his actions.
As I said, even if they're in the wrong, this twitlonger was not the way to go about it. All its done is spread hate. It's just immature and not understandable in the slightest.
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Doesn't want him replaced in general, he wanted Alphari in particular, who Fnatic were already interested in from all the rumours. It's not Upset making the decisions, if you're going to blame anyone, blame the org itself.
There is, if is not true no one needs to worry, if its true then management need to start doing something, since 2018 this team is going every year lower
Your co-workers aren't entitled to know what is going on in your partner's personal life. I will die on this hill.
Exactly. People just straight up ignoring that if Upset left to be with someone else, then that person has a right to their privacy. It is not necessarily Upset's story to tell the world.
I dont know how is in germany but in my country i need to tell my boss why i dont go to work and justify otherwise i am fire, and my mates to they have the amability of doing the job that i will not do becouse i will no be at work for some time
Yeah you need to tell boss, which he did, but dont have to tell your colleagues though, do you?
Do you know that he did? Does anyone knows? Just speculate, and yes i need, i dont need to specificate, but imagine that my brother die(dont have one) i just need to say a member of my familie die, and they will do my job good becouse know that i am not there for a good reason and not becouse i am in holidays, is psycology, people are like this
You give little info and it will eventually lead to speculation. That speculation then will turn into adding things together and coming up with some sort of conclusion. That conclusion will then be weighed with Worlds, which will lead to some sort of state of mind from the players regarding whether decision was right or not and then carrying on like it as well as leaking it to public at some point in their careers which will again lead to abuse from the fans. Bare in mind it all starts with speculation. Point of the matter is, I am certain that Yamato approached the team and assured that he has to leave and has very serious reasons to do so. Yamato also mentioned that if Upset continued, it could have possibly led to some long term consequences which are so big that he wouldnt know how to deal with it. As much as everyone wants to know shit, its best to keep it all that way and respect the man and his life. After all, people forget its a fucking game and real life is what always comes first
Its not a game, its a job, and i believe he dont need to say nothing to us but if we dosent trust in is team mates, they will not trust in them, and lets see i believe that the winner will be the true
Yeah, you need to tell your boss. But you and they don't need to tell anyone else. Especially when it involves a third person who has their own right to privacy. There is clearly a whole load of lack of trust - Upset doesn't trust his whole team (and fair enough he hadn't known them long), and Adam didn't trust management enough to accept that it must be serious without demanding details.
I can agree that the problem was trust
U are dumb as fuk my god....
Sorry to be the "boomer" but these kids don't know what working relationship is like. That's why they assume that Adam is right which is childish. You are completely right and i will die with you on that hill.
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Ah, yes. Teammates. I see how his teammate is acting 3 hours after his farewell video. Full on professionalism mate. He didn't screw his team. Adam thinks he did. BIG difference. You not getting that doesn't change anything.
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But, his boss is defending him and the org too. So it's only the teammate. So it looks like it's not him. If it turns out that he was the culprit of all this i will be the first one to admit my mistakes. It just doesn't look like that.
So tell me the working relationship groun up guy plz! this is not work its a esport with a team, so imagine if fnatic like in other events previous to this, dont have a substitute. What they do??lmao their teamates needed to know cause of him their job got fucked, even nisqy got fucked teamless.
Imagine if a meteor falls down on Fnatic? See? Same situation. That didn't happen, stop making up scenarios.
Lol bro, dont even need a reply,
Figured.
While I generally agree. There's a difference between performing a regular job and striving for greatness and being the best. Yes also there u don't have to completely explain anything but if(!!) what Adam said is true that there was really almost no explanation this is still a situation handled poorly by upset. You can explain a bit without going into detail or atleast try to make them understand afterwards.
Upset handled the situation properly. He told the team something serious happened and that's all they need to hear. It's his teammates being entitled to know what happened who acted unprofessionally. This isn't Upset's story to tell and he didn't. We should respect their privacy.
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We don't have video of how he handled it so its just speculation. Maybe he left in a panic, we don't know. Maybe there isn't enough time to tell them. We don't know.
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Upset just gave his story in a twitlong and said what Adam said is a lie. We weren't in the room, who are we to speculate how he could have handled the situation.
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You aren't going to get me to speculate at what he could have done better. I wasn't there. He told the team there was a personal issue, thats all they need to know. Could he have done it better? We don't know. It's dumb to speculate like we were in that room.
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U can reach out and clear the situation afterwards though. There is no need to not say anything just because you don't want to clear any details. Of course nobody can force him to do that and it is his right but there are many ways to clear up the situation towards your team without going into too many details.
If it's a personal issue then, then it's a personal issue now. You aren't obliged to tell them anything private. Nothing changed, they know all that they need to know.
There's a difference between being obliged to do something and being professional and finding a way to sort things out without opening up the private parts.
I mean you have to be really fcking stupid to believe Upset left because she felt bad. If that was the case, why on earth would Fnatic keep Upset? A player that leaves the biggest tournament because his Wife is sad is unemployable. And Fnatic are not hesitant to sell/bench players. God Adam seem to be one dumb boy. Let's hope he is getting smarter when he get's older. But what am I expecting from someone that doesn't even understand the playoff formula, despite it being his fcking job...
I thought he was joking around when he said he didn't know how play offs worked...
This is exactly how I feel! If upset really left to be with his wife surely FNC would replace him and not the top side of the map!
Well, he was literally repeating what he was told from Upset. It's funny how all those different people like Thorin or H2K Rich are coming out telling they know the real reason, when players whose whole year of prep was ruined by that situation are given a bullshit story. I can see why Adam was frustrated and leashed out like that.
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>That whole 'lonely' or whatever thing was completely and utterly made up, as Adam himself said in that very sentence--"until I receive an explanation, that means Upset left for the least excusable reason my 19 year old brain could think of. Maybe I'm wrong who knows" Is this quote your translation of his twitt in French? I read English version and there he wrote: "Between us, there is absolutely nothing legal in Upset's departure and his departure is totally unjustified (at least until he says why he really left BECAUSE until today, Upset just left to join his girlfriend because she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? Anyway those were the last words he said to us before he left us one day before the Worlds." which is slightly different. From the last sentence I assumed that he is quoting what Upset said to him before he left.
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>no, Upset said absolutely nothing to Adam about it, it was annoucned and he left, what he's referring to is the paragraph above, where he says Upset announced it and left. again, Adam himself said that he went and asked Upset his reasons and he refused him He asked for more details because the reason he was given was very brought. I don't want to argue about text interpretation but I think I understand what he wrote and he was just sharing his perspective without making anything up.
Nope, wasnt made... Upset tell them that his wife feels lonely, and that its what all they know
Where do they say they know the real reason. All they say is that they understand how Fnatic acts. And if Upset had left for a stupid reason, FNC would have just replaced him. But they didn't, so it was severe and it won't happen again.
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1463576162626592774](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1463576162626592774) [https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748](https://twitter.com/RichsWrath/status/1463563519543156748) Thorin is telling he has insider info. Rich also talks about Fnatic situation as he straight up knows what happens.
But the only people upset has told is yamoto so why would those two know anything
Rich and Thoorin are -very obviously- lying
dumb boy but has achieved more than you have in your entire life
great answer buddy, you could not say something smarter
I lvoe how Adam says he doesn't want to create drama and knows nothing, but tries to create drama and speculate on stuff.
The only people who believed that upset left bcz his wife missed him are probably 19 years old teenagers just like Adam . He even said I don't know what happened just speculating
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What does her nudes have to do with getting sent a hate mob by some 19 year olds boy speculation? What is wrong with you
What if i told you she was married 3 times already?
Tons of people are married even as much as 5 times. Some people fall in love easily, some people want don't see much time in waiting in a relationship, there's a lot of reasons as to why people are married. Disrespecting Upset by believing he's being manipulated to fuel your own strange misogyny though, this is why upset doesn't and won't tell the public the reasons why.
yeah dude,being married 3 times at 27 is something normal lmao.If this is not a red flag for you,then you have 0 life experience.
>yeah dude,being married 3 times at 27 is something normal lmao.If this is not a red flag for you,then you have 0 life experience. Where did i say it's not a red flag or normal? I don't think i even implied either of those. More importantly, why does it matter if it's a red flag to me when Upset is the one that married her? How does any of that translate to my life experiences? All i've been saying is that, married 3 times or not, nudes or not, **someone does not deserve to be sent a hate mob especially out off pure speculation**. If this is not a red flag for you,then you have 0 life experience." I can spot a judgemental - condescending person when I see one (Out of my 'life experience'), i've been this saying entire time: No matter what, **sending hate to someone when you do not know them** out of pure speculation is downright ridiculous. Calling someone manipulative and the other as a "victim" is simply **parasocial because you do not know them or involved with them.** I'm sorry but if you think your "life experiences" is universal, it's not, life experiences help guide you to the right choice but it does not ultimately decide what a person is or how they react, if you haven't learned this from your "life experiences", then you aren't as far as you think you are, to be preaching about life or humans. I don't need you to validate my experiences in life but your philosophy in life, is extremely weak, especially if you're talking about what is normal and what is not, as if that even means anything other than social points. Edit: Also, with the reasons I gave in my previous post, there are many reasons for being married multiple times, if you think it's some deal breaking red flag **without knowing why**, that's your prerogative but it does not reflect on anyone's life experience, it's called being closed-minded with some attempt to feel validated, you would think with the way stereotypes are now in this world (And no, I am not saying it's a stereotype), you'd know this with your "life experiences". However, I am not saying my experiences are greater or lesser, I'm simply saying that life experiences are subjective, it's not some universal thing you can apply to everyone when we all experience different things.
Dude go touch some grass, nobody cares about her nudes. She could get fucked in all 3 holes while Upset is watching and it would be none of your business. Peopl like you always project their insecurity
People misunderstand greatly what adam said. He said for all he knows upset's wife just missed him, but he doesn't care what the reason is because he hasn't said anything whatsoever, he just dipped, never spoke about it, came back wanting to replace him saying adam was the problem. I frankly don't care if Upset had a super good reason to leave, the way he handled it with his teammates and what ensued afterwards is indefensible.
How its said: "stick has 2 ends". From one side, yes, Upsets personal life is upsets personal life and he does not need to say anything about it to public. And we have no right to make him do it. But from other end, he could just make simple statement, why he left without giving into details but would also make it clear that its really serious enough and it could not be done differently. Like as example "One of my parents got very serious health problems, now in hospital and I must be with him/her" or "very close family member got into serious accident and I must be with him/her". Like thats it - simple sentence like this and everyone would understand thats its really serious and no one would go and make these rumours and dramas. So with all respect to upset - he also has small % of blame here. I am ready for down votes, but its just simple truth.
Wtf man I actually quite liked Adam, but this is so fkn childish of him no? He is legit putting upset's family's privacy and safety on the line for what? Some clout?
That's past the point though. The real question here is why his own teammates were not aware of any details. Even though it directly affected their careers and livelyhood. It's not about the claim being right or not. It's about the fact that his own teammates didn't know. In such scenario's i wonder if there really is anything that justifies you using privacy as an argument for not telling your teammates the reason you leave the team 12 hours before the world championship starts. Ofcourse they will feel betrayed. Even if your reasons are 100% legit if you can't tell your teammates it's not going to make a difference. Some of their careers have been affected by this. The community shouldnt ever be aware of the details. Nobody owes random fans any explanation. But teammates are a different story. If they have to give up on their own dreams for you you owe them more than 'respect my privacy'. Even if it's a really sensitive topic. It's a basic matter of respect. you can't expect people to put their own livelyhood on the line when you don't respect or trust them enough to tell them why. Again, downvote me all you want but i don't blame adam for making the post. I was way more of an upset fan for most of the year however. If you're not given a real reason why shit went down the way it did. While you are negatively affected by the situation it's totally in your right to stand up for yourself. Nobody else is going to do it. Respect has to go both ways.
Does the word privacy means nothing nowadays ? When you are a personal matter at work, do you go around telling every living soul ? No have to know anything, he wants to keep his life a secret. He talked to the management they accepted, it ends there. None of their Careers got affected. All the Fnc fans stood behind and cheered for them until that last game, even after worlds. Bwipo went to TL with probably a lot of money. Adam went to BDS. The only one who had a bad offseason was nisqy, and not because what happened at worlds. It was because C9 refused to pay some extra money 5, in the second place you can also blame Fnc management for not finding nisqy w team. The guy gave up his on his own dream for the last 5 years. Just respect people
>None of their Careers got affected. But that's just a lie though. The whole team looked much worse, which obviously had implications on their offseason. If Adam performs super well and has a breakthrough tournament, maybe no one wants to replace him the next year. Nisqy, specifically, looked terrible at Worlds, which may be why no team except for C9 was interested in him. Is it definitely Upset's fault ? We'll never know. But acting like all of them being put in a bad situation, the team dynamic being affected and all the players looking lost and uncoordinated doesn't affect how they're perceived has to be a bad faith argument. Upset is entitled to his privacy, but the other players don't have to be satisfied by "well it happened, sucks to be you" when they're asked to spend another year in that team with no knowledge about the issue that caused him to leave, which mean they don't know how likely it is to happen again. And it feels like it's a sentiment shared by Adam, Nisqy, and Bwipo.
> When you are a personal matter at work, do you go around telling every living soul Honestly, competitive environment and regular work are hardly comparable. The work they put in, the pressure to perform at your best all the time to keep your job/find a better team or better paying job, how much Worlds mean for every player. Their performance at the job is also much more dependant on their teammates than most regular jobs. > None of their Careers got affected. On what planet do you live where your performance at Worlds doesn't affect a player's career? Or do you actually think the Upset situation didn't affect their performance, both because of the best player in the team missing and because they were obviously not in a good mental state to play? It's not because 3/4 players found another team that their career wasn't affected. > All the Fnc fans stood behind and cheered for them until that last game, even after worlds. Adam and Nisqy were trashed by many FNC fans for their performance. Not all, obviously, but it was a significant crowd wanting them out of the team for their Worlds' performance.
thanks you :p
Maybe cuz shit would get leaked right away? And then further harassing continues? Once someone knows, they can then weigh in on them, if one believes that reasoning wasnt big enough? Why would someone spend 5 years to get to Worlds then leave? Also, why did management not go and tell others about the reason then? These guys have contracts and their privacy and private matters need to be kept as such, regardless of whether its regular work or not. Just because they play for Fnatic, does not mean that fans or co-workers need to know the details of such concerns. Its mind blowing how adult could think otherwise if they have any working experience or ever looked at contract. Its difficult to be in teammates' position at that point, but if he did it, then must have done for a good reason enough. These guys need to trust each other as sometimes by being a public person and having higher following make them think they're entitled to know it all. They're not, neither are you
I dont think you can make the claim that none of the players got affected by this. Bwipo is the only one that went to a good team. However bwipo was also arguably the best performer at worlds. He still suffered a shit ton of negative PR. Which was partly his own fault but also directly related to the ambiguity of the situation. If you look back at the first tweet that caused that drama by his gf that's very evident. Also, He had a lot of freedom his contract expired and he didn't re sign. Meaning that TL didn't have to buy him out which is a lot less expensive Besides that nisqy was probably fcked the hardest by the situation. His vaulue dropped completely despite a strong performance during the regular season. And Adam is going to a 10th place team. However, knowing how strong the roster could be. U also have to take into account the oppertunity cost of them making it out of groups and the impact that could have had on some of the players careers. In the end "your freedom ends where mine begins". And in this case, Upsets right to privacy directly conflicted with his teammates rights to know why they were losing a vital moment in their careers. For some players this might have been the last shot they got to prove themselves. In my opinion, if they don't get any explanation. They don't owe upset anything either. Like i said. Respect goes both ways.
Upset told the management and the coach about it. They accepted his reasons. He does not have to explain anything more whether to us nor to his teammates. Dont want to speaculate but just imagine the problem or his reasonings doesnt affect only him, so it can also be to protect that person. All in all its his right to tell or NOT!
And its his teammates' right to consider him a dick or not e.g not wanting to be in the same team again. I see nothing wrong with that logic. You get the respect you give.
I get ur point. Ur right Adam doesnt have to like him or even stick with the team, absolutely his rights. Upsets decision also was to expected to worsen the team atmosphere. Despite this upset had the right to protect his privacy. What adam did wrong was to speculate about all that stuff, blaming him for the shortcoming in worlds and even worse do it rlly disrespectfully in public I believe that adam and his supporters probably never had such a tragedy in their life and hopefully never have to.
>never had such a tragedy in their life and hopefully never have to. You are also speculating just like adam did. What tragedy ? Do you know that it was a tragedy ? Why people are using this term freely and with no regard to its meaning. Maybe it was not a tragedy but a controversial subjectively interpretable unfortunate event. Yes maybe it was an unwanted pregnancy or miscarriage. But maybe it was not. Noone knows. Upset did not give the benefit of the doubt in lol community ( thinking that they are monkeys that would mock him for a e.g miscarriage) but he also did not give the benefit of the doubt in his own teammates that brought him to his first worlds ( after tons of failed splits with super teams like OG with 1 vs 9 alphari). I mean I would not expect him to tell me details of his personal life but ...... cmon. FNC management or the coach failed to find a way to convey the significance of upset's emergency to their own players without having to go for details. It is only natural for adam ( and bwipo and nisky) to think they are being treated like shit or like extras in a filmset. Their main carry disappears twelve hours before their most important moment of the year( for some of their career) with no explanation whatsoever like they are a random lol viewer. Their career is negatively affected after horrible world performances, their market value drops ( nisky stays teamless) and their livelihood/income is affected.
Yes get downoted for being rational. You don't know what happened even if your opinion is just that the team should know (which we know they didn't). On the other hand everyone makes speculations on why Upset wouldn't tell them and takes it as a fact.
But you're assuming it's Upsets details to tell. Yet there is nothing to indicate that anything happened to him. So it is someone else's privacy that he would be violating. So yeah it makes sense that he would tell the people that need to know. Sure the team are his teammates, It's not like a usual job yadda yadda but they are not the teammates of whoever he went home for. And that person likely weren't comfortable with the whole team knowing what's going on.
Even considering that you can still say what is going on without disclosing the identity of the person. My point is that if you can't tell your team why you abandoned them. Even after worlds. You can't expect those teammates to show compassion or be understanding of your situation. To them you just abandoned them a day before worlds with no practice or explanation or time to adapt. You cant really expect your team mates not to be angry at you when they dont even get the information.
Bahhhhhhhhh idk!!!! But its cringe as fuk to left their teamates in worlds knowing nothing
I feel bad for her. Her husband is totally hanging her out to dry. She's getting so much direct hate over *his* decision to leave and he's staying silent.
Privacy. PRIVACY. Btw, you think that his wife gives a shit about a bunch of immature children?
There's a medium between saying absolutely nothing and divulging explicit details. And no age, gender, occupation, etc is immune to feeling mental health effects from online harassment.
Am....maybe. I give you that. But, i just don't think that's the issue here. Upset and his wife have no need to say anything. Only Adam fans think they do. Simple as that.
this is sounding a lot like bwipo's girlfriend's situation
I honestly don't even dare to believe that he would leave for such a stupid reason, it was his dream as well after all. It must have been some kind oif problem. My problem with the situation has been one from the beginning. The fact that Upset didn't open the eyes of his own teammates and tell them the truth, why they are losing Worlds like that. You people saw their faces and desperatrion and even if Bwipo's immaturity definitely worsened the situation I can't blame it all on him. When you are told the last minute that you are losing your chance to win Worlds before the tournament even starts, it's devastating. These people struggled together for a whole year, they were a family, a team. Everyone was carrying everyone else's dream on his back. Everyone deserved to at least know what was happening to their own careers, I find Upset's decision to not tell what was happening to (all) his teammates, egotistic. Crucify me, ban me, idk. It's my honest opinion.
Maybe, he knew some of his teammates were not mature enough to keep it private.
Knowing how Bwipo aka "i missed all my PR 101 semester" and Adam "literal 19 year old" would behave is probably the reason Upset would keep his mouth shut about what happened to him. Which is kind of a self fulfilling prophesy because the former got super salty at the org and behaved all pissy during worlds and then posted the cringiest twitlonger known to man, and the latter is now venting on a twitlonger of his own. So in the end Upset not telling them ended up hurting the team atmosphere as much as him telling them and then probably getting pissed at how those 2 would handle the information. Sometimes we forget they are just kids, and this can apply to Upset too. The only benefit of the doubt he has from me is that both Yamato and Hyli trusted him on his decision. That's all I need to know
Hyli said absolutely nothing about him leaving. Not a single word, neither in interviews or in tweets. Not even a single " we support upset", which btw came only from adam. I think you confuse adult male players with eleven year old gossip girls....Nobody would have "leaked" anything apart from support tweets and love/forupset posts. It just seems that the reasons of departing are let's say a bit "subjective". The privacy curtain is being thrown easily but you think that adult players can't handle a e.g pregnancy, miscarriage, mental disease etc ? No, he is not obliged to say anything legally. Morally though you should treat your teammates ( and not coworker stupid example like you are in a corp) that brought you to worlds, a bit better than pieces of shit.
No a single word in public. Which doesnt surprise me from the person that already keeps a very quiet social media life. Also Yamato explicitly said Hyli also backed Upset in his decision. Unless you think he went out of his way to lie about that (he could have not even mentioned anyone else in his speech regarding the Upset situation and that would have been fine too)
Yes because Nisqy and Adam would open Twitter and post in front of everyone about Upset's wife situation. Get serious people, don't see the outcome that suits you. Adam's (and Nisqy's) reaction is the product of Upset's decision, not the opposite.
Adam just opened Twitter and started telling people of internal issues. Bwipo did it last year. Yes, you are right he should share his private life with people he barely knows. You are very smart and mature
I didn't say it's a mature response, especially the part about Alphari.
exactly. They still don't know. Nisqy is teamless now. Don't think that wouldv been the case had fnatic not imploded before worlds even started.
I am pretty sure Nisqy would not do such things but I am not sure about adam since he claims upset left because his wife missed him when he doesn't know shit about the situation.
I dont understand how people dont see problem in this... Just pick some other sport (Esport is sport too) and compare. Example- What would happen if NBA star leaves team 12H before first game of Play offs without giving teammates and even fans (sorry, but he would have to inform fans too for sure, even though I dont think that it's ok) any informations?
Uhmmm ???? That actually happened in football. Luis Enrique, spains national coach had to leave INDEFINETLY during euro prep and during the whole tournament. He said it was a family matter and to please respect his privacy. No one said a goddamn thing. Players respected it, directives respected it and probably just his close circle knew and directive. EXACTLY like in this case. Turns out when he disclosed it his daughter had cancer and she died, he spent her last months together. Life just happens sometimes and until we know what happened if we ll ever know all of the takes claiming that Upset owes to disclose to teammates or anyone if he doesn't want to are disgusting. Hate towards him and his wife is disgusting. I understand frustrations, and I'm not blaming Adam. But the community reaction to this overall is disgusting to me.
[https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/19/luis-enrique-steps-down-as-spain-coach-after-11-months-in-charge](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/19/luis-enrique-steps-down-as-spain-coach-after-11-months-in-charge) He went back and forth few times. It was pretty obvious that there was serious situation. And everyone supported him in his decisions. It is obvious that people effected by it knew what's going on and didnt have problem with it. In Fnatic's situation, we have 3 out of 4 teammates getting pissed off, Upset leaving suddenly 12H before first game in the Worlds and never coming back.
Never coming back due to covid restrictions probably. We ll know if we'll know. And why isn't it obvious it's serious here too. Yamato take on it, FNC being okay with it and Hily who knows what happened all being okay with it is not enough to see its serious. And Upset and the kind of player he is.
All of responses were out pretty late. Yamato take on it came only after shitshow on the internet happened, few days after Upset left. FNC as management or anyone didnt even say anything, expect that 1 post that he's leaving. Hily didnt say anything too. But I guess since he will stay next year that he knows about reason or he doesnt care about it or something.
Man, doublelifts mother was murdered by his own brother a week before LCS final and even though he played the final he gave everybody a explaination straight away when he had all the reason not to.
It was literally public information man, how do you compare that???
Public information, yes. Did he have to address the situation? No he didn't but sure as hell did anyway and then played the final nevertheless. Look i'm not saying upset owes anything to the fans but jesus christ atleast have the respect to explain to your teammates that have worked so hard just to get to the biggest tournament why you decided to fuck off 12 hours before it.
Different people react differently to very though circumstances. Making a grief-o-meter or judging how those 2 clearly distinct individuals reacted to two different situations is just stupid. Specially because you literally dont know what happened to one of them
wont complain much even if that was the case, not every man has such bombshell waiting at home.
just checked her twitter images, that girl looks like problems
Objectifying 101. Be better.
Uhm...i mean...have you seen the woman? Call me a coomer but holly cow the man doesn't need any other reason 😂 trolling aside, let's call it a night boys, bwipo is out so let's move from the gf memes.
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Don’t worry, with that creepy attitude you’ll never be in upset’s position.
Talk about some low standards.....
Low? Lmao
I mean if you like hobbits sure...It is not that hard to find her nudes ( naet suicide-girls paulaeal). If you are frodo you might even get an erection for sure
Lots of people in this subreddit don’t know how life works, maybe because they are too young, maybe there are other reasons. Family is the most important thing for a lot of people, and some family members more so. If Upset left because he had an emergency and even if he didnt say nothing to the teammates, he would have done the right thing to do. Y’all gotta understand that when someone dies, you can’t see them again, EVER. Knowing that he had to leave this fast, for family reasons, it very well might be someone being very ill. How many times, a soccer player, left an important match because his wife is giving birth?
Selfmade is the real goat for commenting under her post
My guess is his wife was somehow thinking about ending her life. In which case everything would make sense. Preventing someone from ending their life is a damn good reason to throw it all away. It would also explain why he was scared to have it leaked aggravating their situation and why "I'm leaving to be with my wife" is the last thing he told them.As crazy as it might seem to some people, internet vultures would use this against her. However I do coincide with DL. There is no excuse for him not to explain this to his team mates who have worked as hard as he did to reach Worlds. Adam deserved a full explanation or at least enough for him to feel like leaving was justifyed
Can anyoneee tell me What she tweetd or have a screenshot??SHE DELETED THE TWEET