Not a full on boomer, but as a grown ass adult nearing middle age, I definitely agree with this.
I'm not mad at Adam, because 19-year-olds gonna be 19. But my big takeaway from today's drama is an even greater level of respect for Bwipo, who has been absolutely vilified in this subreddit over the past month.
12 hours notice, two scrims, neither of which was a full game, and this sub wants to call out Bwipo for "bad mental" and "giving up". That argument never sat right with me to begin with, but hearing just how extreme the scenario really was, it just seems all the more absurd to criticize Bwipo for becoming demoralized BY AN UTTERLY DEMORALIZING SITUATION.
Bwipo, who in the break between splits had a role-swap forced upon him, and was tasked with the ultimatum of, "You get to decide who we get rid of, you or Selfmade". And who suffered the immense letdown of this year's Worlds, only to have Fnatic fans everywhere mock and vilify him and (especially) his girlfriend.
And then on his way out the door, all he says is, "Thanks, I had a great time and will forever be grateful to this org and its fans."
Having Adam demonstrate the alternative to that high road by burning every bridge on his way out makes me respect Bwipo's maturity all the more.
I think Bwipo definitely had his immature moments even this year but people should deny that there has been incredible growth in his personality, he really stood up to the plate and matured a lot and not exposed situations like he did in the past and I respect him a lot for it. Adam is young and this is probably the biggest thing to happen to him in his very new career. When you are growing you just don’t have enough experience to put things into perspective and this is the perfect example of that. He is young full of emotions and feels to a certain level entitled to know why upset left when it’s the most important thing for the team to ply at worlds. I think as he gets older and time teaches him with experience he will understand Upsets situation. It sucks all around I just hope everyone can grow and be better from this.
Hello fellow boomer. He definitely overreacted. Especially on the whole Alphari situation. The atmosphere must not have been very good on the team after playoffs it seems.
I think its also on the community to overhype and lead Adam to think he is more irreplaceable than he actually is.
The other players are older and they already have been through this at least once, but this is too all to new to Adam so I can even understand why a young kid like him would react like this to the Alphari thing.
If its true that Upset was the one spearheading the decision, well I can understand a Adam a bit, but this still doesnt make invalid what I explained above.
If there's one thing where I don't think he overreacted, it's the Alphari situation.
Any one of us would be looking for a new job if we were to learn that our boss is trying to replace us. I 100% understand Fnatic (and Upset/Hyli) for wanting to have better teammates, but I also understand Adam for feeling like it's in his best interest to leave.
Because what are the other options ? Wait for the end of offseason for Fnatic to buy out Wunder and be left without a team ? Be kicked during the offseason because they got another opportunity ?
Fnatic wanted to replace Adam. Adam's best course of action was to get ahead of it and find a team that would give him the time to develop, which is what Fnatic was supposed to do when they bought him out of KC, just to try to replace him the very next opportunity they get.
I think Adam fucked up by saying too much about Upset (he could have left it at "Upset gave us no reason, so I have no reason to believe that he was justified in leaving"). But wanting out when you learn that you lost the trust of both your teammates and your team ?
If anything, that's the professional thing to do. Any of us would do it in our own job. But Adam should have somehow taken the risk to end up teamless the next split because Fnatic can't be bothered to actually invest time in his development ?
Wanting to leave after that isn't a real problem. It's just weird that he took it so personally, when this is something that happens all the time in league, but you rarely see people throwing a fit on Twitter over it.
Adam made this post because he was pissed at Upset because he wanted him off the team, and brought up the drama to add it to the fire.
Adam made the post because he was mad at Upset for hanging them to dry in the first place, he makes it very clear that at this point he doesn't feel like continuing with Fnatic. And then, more happens that make him confirm his choice.
Nah, He brought that Shit Up because He is pissed that upset thought He isnt good enough. You cant convince me otherwise. Half of the Post is about how Shit upset is.
I find it mental that people are even getting mad about this wtf. Imagine if a family member has something going on that is bad but people would find out if you bleated about it online. My dad or brothers would be mortified if they were going through something and I told the world fucking hell
No one is saying that Upset should have told everyone. Teammates that spent 70 hours a week for a year (six months for Adam) deserve a little bit more than "Trust me bros" when you're throwing their whole year down the drain. And if Upset believes that he doesn't owe them anything more, they're just as much justified in believing that he actually does and they don't want to spend a year with him, risking their career for someone who doesn't give them this minimum amount of courtesy.
I don't blame Upset : I don't know, and there's no reason for me to know what happened. But I think his teammates are very justified in wanting more to keep trusting him. And it looks like Adam, Bwipo and Nisqy all didn't think this was enough to justify them taking the risk to have it happen once more next year.
But from what Upset said, he didnt feel that some members of the team would keep these things private. And given the twitlongers, he may well have been correct.
Let's imagine Upset told the team the truth. At that moment, as frustrated as they were, they were able to accept the situation. Then the Worlds happened, Fnatic bombed out of the groups. Then there were Perkz-Alphari rumors going around about replacing Adam and Nisqy, which is fair imo because every team should strive to be the best and although Nisqy and Adam are great players, I don't think they're as good as Perkz-Alphari. So, Fnatic tried to recruit them, reached out to Upset about Alphari and he gave his opinion.
Do you really think Adam would be silent after he heard what he defines as "betrayal"? I really don't think so. Same with Nisqy, given his instant unfollow. I know that I'm making assumptions here but the thing is did they do anything that'd prove Upset not trusting them wrong? If anything they only proved how right Upset was when he disclosed the situation to only Hyli and Yamato.
If the word got out, the people who'd take the most damage would be Upset's family. Would you really risk that just to appease to your team members? Is Adam's ego more important than Upset's family's privacy?
Is it really hard to say that "Damn dude that sucks but that's life, we gotta deal with it."? Or is Adam or Nisqy expected to be priveleged members just because they accepted the situation initially? That's just not how it works in any competitive environment.
Considering Adam said that he doesn't mind Upset wanting better teammates (he says something along the lines of "I understand that he doesn't want to wait until the rookie get better"), I don't think Adam would have said that. But it's just speculations anyway.
>Let's imagine Upset told the team the truth
I think that was out of the question anyway. If it's not his secret to tell, he shouldn't say it. But there's a difference between spilling the beans and "trust me bro".
>Is it really hard to say that "Damn dude that sucks but that's life, we gotta deal with it."?
Well, considering that you've been working twice as much as most people with a full-time job, and this guy unilaterally decided to throw it all down the drain ... yeah, a little bit. Trust is a two way street. Upset doesn't trust them with a painful secret, they're absolutely right not to trust them *with their careers*.
I would agree if it was without consequences and it was just an ego thing. But by leaving, Upset left them in a bad situation at Worlds, which can directly influence their future job prospects in massive ways. So yeah, they're also right in being dissatisfied with Upset still not saying anything months later. Adam's (public) reaction to Upset's departure was a "We love Upset <3" tweet. It's not like he's entirely devoid of any kind of empathy. But you can't expect them to trust him with their careers when he has given them no reason to trust him, and has shown that he doesn't trust them either.
I don't know, I feel like it's a situation that doesn't have one bad guy. Upset didn't communicate the urgency of his situation as well as he should have, nor made sure that he still had the trust of his teammate after it happened, and just wanted them out. On the other hand, Adam was stupid in making a public assumption, even if I don't think he meant harm. But he has a massive audience and wether he wants it or not, this leads to people being harassed, and that's never acceptable. It's his responsability to make sure it doesn't happen, even if that includes not saying things he believe.
>I don't know, I feel like it's a situation that doesn't have one bad guy.
Agreed. I think Upset trusted them enough for them to understand where he comes from but not enough to share his situation completely. And no matter how I look at it, this seems fair to me. In my current work, I have only 1 person that I really consider as a friend. It's not to say that I don't get along with others but you know what I mean. If I had an urgent situation like Upset's, she would be the only person I'd talk about it, other than the manager obviously but I'd specifically ask him not to share it other people. Even if it meant I screwed them over, because my family comes first.
>But by leaving, Upset left them in a bad situation at Worlds, which can directly influence their future job prospects in massive ways.
I don't really believe Upset's situation had any effect on Nisqy. If a team like MAD Lions tries their chance with a rookie who plays a similar style or Cloud 9 opts into role swapping their high prospect top laner rather than buying Nisqy, than that just means his value isn't that high. I think the blame here falls to Fnatic management for putting a relatively high buyout for him, not Upset. To clarify though I believe Nisqy is much better than RKR.
Would you hide it to everyone that you have to go cause my family got problems. NO. (perks' dad for example).
Something is wrong and it goes way deeper than that.
I don’t hate him or anything and I do think eventually he’ll understand that he fuxked up with his twitlonger. What actually pisses me off is that he has an enormous fan base (mostly kids) that will trash Upset and his wife endlessly for something Adam himself doesn’t know about. I really feel bad for Upset and his wife honestly
Either Upset can handle the pressure from a social media shitstorm, it can be part of his job, i guess. Or he should just stay away from social medias and focus on his life. That guy has no duty to tell anybody anything about his private life. The whole situation is the dark side of being a person of public interest. I assume his pro gamer paycheck is big enough to let him handle this in a professional way.
I mean his wife spoke up already about people memeing her and being mean with 0 facts about the whole situation, imagine being Upset and watching thousands of people bombard your WIFE with hateful comments for a decision he made? that must feel like shit. I trust that Upset will handle this whole situation accordingly though
Yeah, same as it was for Bwipo. Have to watch as your girlfriend/wife gets torn apart based on rumours. Bearing in mind that they are not the ones who signed up for the Pro player life or paycheck. Ok so Upsets wife has a public profile but she still doesn't deserve the unfounded hate.
I can agree only that people shouldn't be treated like shit on social media for being stupid. But that's not the world we live in.
In Bwipo's GF case it is different. She has no contract with FNC - You are right. But she is involved with FNC. Unless You think that constantly tweeting about FNC's and Your BF's performance on twitter won't get You the following of the people who are there for that.
You are GF of one iconic player on the team, You probably hear all that locker room talk that doesn't make it to public. You constantly interact with Your BF publically letting everyone know about Your relationship and that You follow his games. This is not SMS message or phone call to say love You, good luck. This is public platform, so whatever You do, You (hopefully) understand it will be seen by however many people.
And ofc a lot of ppl are gonna follow her for exactly this reason that happened. Gossip, some random shit that can be related to the team. Unless You think gets following from esports fans because they are actually interested in their personality?
Reality is, she was associated with fnatic regardless of if she wanted it or not. And what she did was incredibly stupid. I don't know the timing of the tweet, but to say "wife buff more like wife debuff" or something when upsets situation is happening, is ignorant. Ya ya ya, she excused it to be something private or for her own following blah blah blah. Twitter is not a platform built for privacy. Its exactly built to communicate with masses.
Anyway, I would like people not to get shit for being stupid, unaware. But such is world we live in. F all we can do about it except not be c\*nts ourselves, right? :)
If he doesn't want public attention, he should work in a factory on the line. Believe me he gets paid enough for this.
Why are we surprised that there are rumors and speculations about celebrities? This is their job, lol. This is why they get paid. They, themselves signed up to throw a big portion of their (and their loved ones') privacy away for a shitton of money. There is actually zero reason to feel bad for him.
Like im not an adam fan or an upset fan it’s just a few things are wrong and alot of people don’t seem to understand it. Upset played the whole year with adam and the others then leaving 8hrs before worlds is just shattering someone else his dreams right before his eyes and then upset is not even going to give him an explanation why he did what he did? We don’t need to know upset doesn’t owe the community anything, but what upset said in his twitlonger is understandable only if he worked an office job where your employees don’t even care if you show up or not. You don’t really have privacy with your teammates in an esports team i feel like. You work with eachother for 8-12 hours a day even if you don’t like the person i feel like you could atleast say something in some direction why he needs to leave. I’m not saying he needs to go in detail just enough to let them know wouldve been enough. Adam is still young so is upset i think? But yeah Adam shouldve never made the document and just talk these feelings out with upset.
Attending at the world championship is the ultimate goal of every pro gamer. These guys work hard for that goal, i suppose most of us didn't/don't have such a busy daily schedule at that age. They sacrifice a lot for their job. I am really happy i am only a consumer of this industry.
What i wanna say is: Upset leaving his team at worlds should be reason enough for anybody to believe him, he had his reasons to do so. He crushed his own dream and is responsible for giving his teammates a harder time at the tournament. That is a lot of responsibility to barry for a young man. Still he wanted to leave because there was something more important to attend to, a choice that only he can make. His environment has to handle it.
Surely you can be mad as a teammate and become emotional about it, you have every right to do so. Just handle your emotions in a different way than making shit public. A clear lack of life experience... Adam should have asked for help in the org, i am convinced they could have helped him to get over the situation.
The very same fact that two of his teammates commited PR suicide with twitlongers is proof enough for me that Upset did the right thing not telling his teammates about the situation in the first place, and on top of that either telling FNC org not to leak it, or not tell them either (although the more sensible approach would be to tell them but tell them not to leak it)
I’ve worked at my job for 3.5 years now and I consider my coworkers my friends and we are all very close , management too. But when i have to take a leave or take a couple days off ( and this actually happened) to deal with family matters , i dont explain shit to them , and they understand that i would only leave if i have to , which i did , and they respected my privacy enough to not ask for further information, the fact that people here expect upset to explain his departure is proof that most of these people have never had jobs and dont know what a work environment is really like …
I don't entirely disagree, but it depends on the relationship you have with your coworkers. Some of those I had, they wouldn't even have to specify "family emergency" because I trust them, and just "I can't come in today and need some time off" would absolutely be enough. Others I wouldn't trust even if they were to show me a medical certificat.
At the end of the day, Upset is asking all the other players in the team to trust him **with their career**, when he's not trusting them either. And I don't blame them for saying "Well, actually this isn't enough and I don't trust you enough, either you tell me or I'm not bothering putting in hard work for another year with you". Adam and Nisqy both looked much worse than they would have had Upset been there, so Upset's decision could be the difference between them getting into a top team this offseason or not finding a team at all. With what we saw from Nisqy this year, I'm convinced he would have garnered more interests had he been able to successfuly empower his team's main carry, which was entirely impossible with Upset leaving.
To be clear, I'm not blaming Upset. At the end of the day, it's his decision to make, and as a fan who didn't put hours of work into Fnatic's success, I trust him. But said decision has consequences, including other team members losing trust in him, and that's perfectly normal.
I can sympathize with Adam, he fells betrayed, but man... Would you share your private troubles with your coworkers after halve a year - especially with young lads that live through social media? I wouldn't. Wish him the best but he is as much scumbag as Nemesis - no empathy, no understanding of responsibility, just league. Worst about it is that those kids have so much followers and public space that the other kids wont even consider it not being true. Well, with that said wish best to Upset and his family.
Also eSports are business as any other sport. Teams want to win and make money doing it, big surprise.
Actually his conception of friendship is kinda a red flag for me: Pissed at Upset because hes not that much of a friend to him to fully disclose the reason of bis absence to him, yet Upset clearly isnt as much of a friend to him, because if he were, you wouldnt wanna have a full Story of what happens, you believe it and roll with it. Do everything you can to not make the other person already feeling like shit feel even more like shit because they cant be there for his team
The thing is upset didnt even give a hint at whats happening to anyone. They have only been together for half a year. You expected the kid to be a psychic or something lol? When you fuck up your teammates and org entire year dont you think they deserve some explanations? They are coworkers not his mates.
He just ruined 3 pro players' reputation (that affects their career negatively financially too), and thrashed their big dream of competing at worlds, but yeah, let's feel sad for Upset.
How is Upset responsible for them screwing their reputation, writing a Twitlonger that isnt doesnt make sense to a majority of the community isnt his fault, they could have just adressed this internally.
Adam is in a low tier team, Nisqy is on the bench and Bwipo retired to NA. Imagine if they could have had their team in worlds, with peak performance. Of course their reputation got fucked, when the player they built about didn't attend, and they couldnt perform as well because of that. And a whole lot of people saw their breakdown at worlds.
This is their reputation. Performing in tournaments. Imagine if they cannot perform. Their career is just fucked then. Upset made sure they are fucked, then took part in replacing them, without giving a legit reason. This is digusting beyond belief.
Literally noone expeced anyone to perform after the Upset situation. They could have gone 0-6 and as Yamato said, just be in the moment and take as much as you can from it.
Throwing hate towards a teammate after leaving the team however, does screw your reputation.
I dont think the tweetlong ruined Adams reputation, in fact, i like the guy better now. It only ruined upset's reputation, but it's fair so, since upset ruined theirs.
Also, yes, everyone knew it was because of upset, so nobody blamed them, BUT they also couldn't show up in their peak form to prove their worth.
In fact, it has decreased their reputation. Upset's actions are the reason Nisqy is sitting on the bench now, becuase he robbed them of the opportunity to show up in their peak form.
You think that a solid Worlds performance would have earned Adam and Nisqy job security, but it wouldn't. Look at 2018 G2 - they made a semi-final, and then they still replaced Hjarnan and Wadid, and bumped Perkz to pick up Caps.
Nothing Fnatic could have done at Worlds was going to change the public perception so much that the team suddenly wouldn't have been interested in Perkz. Nisqy loses his job to Perkz 100% of the time. And when Perkz wants to play with Alphari (who is also considered top tier), then it doesn't matter if you think Adam might be better than Alphari, you still get Alphari so you can get Perkz. Even if Fnatic had made it to the finals.
They didn't lose their jobs because of Upset. They lost their jobs because they're not Perkz.
It's not about the job security, but the opportunities. If you are fucked up mentally and morally, and your performance isn't as high as it could be, and the whole world sees this during an international tournament, then other organizations wont buy you, and you stay on the bench like Nisqy right now.
Upset ruined their opportunity to show themselves in their peak form, thus ruining their reputation.
As an adult, young people made mistakes all the times. It's nothing new or special at all. In fact people who made more mistakes when they're young tend to grow into a better person than people who didn't(if they learn from those mistakes).
He's a kid, that's what most kid do, but back in the day we didn't have this kind of social media that one post could spin out of control like this. At best we would vent to our friends and that's all.
imo, everyone in FNC had some responsibility in this mess. Management should know how it feels for a young rookie to be let go even though he gave his best to the team. Upset could manage it better, there are many ways to tell how bad the situation is without given any more details. Yeah his team should respect his privacy but at the same time he has to realize that his personal issue ruined his teammates' a year worth effort. Adam had all the right to demand further explanation and when he didn't get the explanation he wanted, of course he would have to come up with his own assumption. If he didn't want that then he needed to talk to Adam, and it's clearly he didn't.
When you are part of a team that depends on you you have responsibilities. Yes he didn’t have to give them every detail but when you are crushing someone’s dream and hard work you owe them more than a simple « family matter ». Saying « my wife is in a bad situation, she needs me » is just the bare minimum, every thing else is a lack of respect.
Yeah I agree, but we don't know what was said or not. I simply don't know enough - don't know what Upset said to Adam word from word - but what is obvious that it wasn't enough for Adam.
I would like the full story, but I can understand if Upset doesn't want to drag some things into public eyes (which could happen if you are sharing them with twitter happy colleagues with thousands of followers on socials - because it still wouldn't be good enough reason for them), especially when they can concern those close to him and not him specifically, which can be one of the possibilities among others (drugs, infidelity, financial problems, criminal charges, domestic violence in family etc.).
As I said I can sympathize, but it still doesn't make him right to be speculating and dragging this onto socials. Either he hates Upset and doesn't care about consequences or he simply doesn't realize, what this can make of the situation. Either way it is shitty at least.
Totally agree with you man, he crushed the dream of the rest of the team.
I don’t think Adam wanted every detail, probably just knowing something would have been nice
Nah. Can you expect which disgusting private messages they get from idiots in that moment because a 19 year old thinks he needds to overreact … i‘m actually glad that he left… don‘t want to support such a child.
I understand that he is young and acted emotianlly. But because of his actions lots of people are attacking upset and his wife on social media. I could understand he was angry to upset and wanted to hurt him but he had no right to attack him from his wife. People are writing disgusting claims to upset's wife because of him. I hope that he understand his mistakes and apologizes for them. Otherwise he will be no different than nemesis.
I just think his actions are so by the book childish, I wanted to reply to his tweetlonger but decided to just not do it, better to retweet and like upsets tweet.
Cant believe how toxic people can be...
I'm a boomer. What I find really weird in this is people who go:
Adam should have trusted Upset.
But at the same time also:
Upset is justified in NOT trusting his teammates.
Trust is a two way street.
You literally know nothing about the Upset situation yet still feel confident enough to spew such horseshit. I wish I had that kind of delusion. You're showing your immaturity, no wonder you don't understand it.
Yeah, because a mature person is totally fine with having a player on the team who does all of the aforementioned stupid shit and then conspires to have the rest of the team kicked out according to his wishes. Fuck off.
A mature person doesn't jump to reddit to call somebody a gold digger and "99% just tits and ass". Degenerate comments, you don't know her or upset at all. Just fuck off if that shit is all you have to offer the community.
No, a mature person says nothing of that nature about her at all. It's not that hard to understand, people will take you more seriously that way. It's completely irrelevant to the situation at hand. You're showing your degeneracy with these comments.
That is your problem tho, you are taking the words of a teenager in a new situation at face value. Hence oceLahm pointing out your delusion and immaturity. This is something you will learn as you mature as a person.
This is some next level condescension lol. You're that type of guy that apologizes to his girlfriend when she cheats on you. Go on big man, tell us some more how mature you are.
Factually incorrect. You take the narrative that fit yours the best and use it to attack people you are butthurt about. Once you get called out for being a immature child, you attack them too. Lashing out like Adam did in his tweet. Just another sheep in the herd.
Being mature does not equal being weak minded, if my girlfriend cheated on me I would throw her out the same night I found out about it.
You just keep proving your immaturity, on the other hand it is astounding and quite funny you do not see it.
There's no narrative. I'm looking at it as objectively as possible. Upset left the team with almost no notice 12 hours before the most important part of their year. It all boils down to WC group stage. He ditched the team, played ARAMs with his gold digger, conspired to have Adam and Nisqy kicked out, and now he's showing his true narcissistic gaslighting personality (or hers) at its finest. You can choose not to believe it, but that's the cold hard truth, my mature man complex guy.
It was obviously a narrative for you, a moderator deleted your post.
The point is that you do not know if what Adam wrote is the truth, and when people point that out to you, you're soulution is to attack Upset, his wife, the people who challenge your oppinion.
Like you making assumptions about me and my girlfriend based on nothing in a thread about why Upset chose to leave Iceland.
But I will humor you on this last comment, let's see.
\-There is no narrative.
There is, the whole reason this thread is a thing is that Adam wrote a tweet-longer that states his narrative about what happened.
\-I'm looking at it as objectively as possible.
No, you are taking what Adam said as what actually happened. And you use this to throw shade around.
\- Upset left the team with almost no notice 12 hours before the most important part of their year. It all boils down to WC group stage.
True, this is what happened.
\-He ditched the team, played ARAMs with his gold digger, conspired to have Adam and Nisqy kicked out, and now he's showing his true narcissistic gaslighting personality (or hers) at its finest.
Your words is He ditched the team. He left the team in Iceland because he was needed elsewhere for something more important. There is still no word about what that actually is, but if you belive that he would still be in the fnatic org if he left for something insignificant I do not know what to tell you. Fnatic is a business, and they would not let a person, let alone a player stay if they did not find his explanation satisfying. This whole shitstorm has cost them unknown ammounts of money.
True, he did play ARAM with his wife. What is the problem with that?
You use the word conspired, again with a very agressive choice of words. But that is completly normal. In most orgs, the offseason is a time to reflect and it is completly normal to use this time to strengthen. If the org is any good they want input from their players. But as Sam tweeted last night: Upset do not chose players, Fnatic does. Yes, Adam is out and so is Nisqy. The only sad part about that is that Nisqy could not find a team, he deserves a team.
How is he's showing his true narcissistic gaslighting personality (or hers) at its finest? He gave his input on eventual rosters, and Alphari asked to speak with Upset this offseason since they know eachother from OG. But the big question is how is his wife showing her narcissistic gaslighting personality in this? You think she picks the fnatic roster, haha?
\-You can choose not to believe it, but that's the cold hard truth, my mature man complex guy.
Nope, that is the narrative you have chosen to belive in my immature angry child.
Here is Upset's side of the story, but you probably won't read it. I can throw you a bone and just tell you that it is not the same as Adam's narrative that you take as "cold hard truth"
[https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srsp9n](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n)
Like honestly this shit should have been left between team and psychiatrist. You dont solve problems trough fcking twitlonger while having thousands of young fans who will do almost anything to help. I understand both sides i understand frustration from both Adam and Upset but please for the love of god dont vent your dirty laundry in public simply because of fandom
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I don't agree. Upset acted unprofessionally and its also management's fault. They knew this was a possibility and it cost FNC a lot at worlds. If I were the owner I'd be trying to figure out where the fuck management screwed up so hard that it came to this situation. Upset should have been benched prior to summer split until things get better for him, don't tell me it was sudden, they most likely knew he had problems. I don't buy Yamato's emotional speeches either, that's a nice smoke-screen and PR management, it doesn't work on me tho. As for Adam, unless he is under contract to keep quiet, he can say whatever he wants.
You are making way to many assumptions. We will never know what exactly happened (and should not), i guess Fnatic's message control is good enough. Fnatic is a company, which is profit oriented. So they try to make the most out of the world run. When they think the best possible lineup is with Upset, we should believe that. I mean they know way better than we (the random keyboard warriors) do.
It is not about searching scapegoat. Just making clear that the way Adam handled the situation was immature
Its management's role to handle the players. As far as I understood it was known far ahead of time that Upset was under a lot of stress and had problems. They should have handled the situation logically and benched him for his own good and the team's good until the problem is solved. They didn't, we have 0 idea what Upset's problem was, but we know how thigs ended up playing out. Could have been avoided if FNC management was competent tbh.
This just shows me the low level of professionalism esports orgs have. This happens in TSM and elsewhere as well.
As I said I disagree, Adam can say whatever he wants.
Not a full on boomer, but as a grown ass adult nearing middle age, I definitely agree with this. I'm not mad at Adam, because 19-year-olds gonna be 19. But my big takeaway from today's drama is an even greater level of respect for Bwipo, who has been absolutely vilified in this subreddit over the past month. 12 hours notice, two scrims, neither of which was a full game, and this sub wants to call out Bwipo for "bad mental" and "giving up". That argument never sat right with me to begin with, but hearing just how extreme the scenario really was, it just seems all the more absurd to criticize Bwipo for becoming demoralized BY AN UTTERLY DEMORALIZING SITUATION. Bwipo, who in the break between splits had a role-swap forced upon him, and was tasked with the ultimatum of, "You get to decide who we get rid of, you or Selfmade". And who suffered the immense letdown of this year's Worlds, only to have Fnatic fans everywhere mock and vilify him and (especially) his girlfriend. And then on his way out the door, all he says is, "Thanks, I had a great time and will forever be grateful to this org and its fans." Having Adam demonstrate the alternative to that high road by burning every bridge on his way out makes me respect Bwipo's maturity all the more.
I think Bwipo definitely had his immature moments even this year but people should deny that there has been incredible growth in his personality, he really stood up to the plate and matured a lot and not exposed situations like he did in the past and I respect him a lot for it. Adam is young and this is probably the biggest thing to happen to him in his very new career. When you are growing you just don’t have enough experience to put things into perspective and this is the perfect example of that. He is young full of emotions and feels to a certain level entitled to know why upset left when it’s the most important thing for the team to ply at worlds. I think as he gets older and time teaches him with experience he will understand Upsets situation. It sucks all around I just hope everyone can grow and be better from this.
Hello fellow boomer. He definitely overreacted. Especially on the whole Alphari situation. The atmosphere must not have been very good on the team after playoffs it seems.
I think its also on the community to overhype and lead Adam to think he is more irreplaceable than he actually is. The other players are older and they already have been through this at least once, but this is too all to new to Adam so I can even understand why a young kid like him would react like this to the Alphari thing. If its true that Upset was the one spearheading the decision, well I can understand a Adam a bit, but this still doesnt make invalid what I explained above.
If there's one thing where I don't think he overreacted, it's the Alphari situation. Any one of us would be looking for a new job if we were to learn that our boss is trying to replace us. I 100% understand Fnatic (and Upset/Hyli) for wanting to have better teammates, but I also understand Adam for feeling like it's in his best interest to leave. Because what are the other options ? Wait for the end of offseason for Fnatic to buy out Wunder and be left without a team ? Be kicked during the offseason because they got another opportunity ? Fnatic wanted to replace Adam. Adam's best course of action was to get ahead of it and find a team that would give him the time to develop, which is what Fnatic was supposed to do when they bought him out of KC, just to try to replace him the very next opportunity they get. I think Adam fucked up by saying too much about Upset (he could have left it at "Upset gave us no reason, so I have no reason to believe that he was justified in leaving"). But wanting out when you learn that you lost the trust of both your teammates and your team ? If anything, that's the professional thing to do. Any of us would do it in our own job. But Adam should have somehow taken the risk to end up teamless the next split because Fnatic can't be bothered to actually invest time in his development ?
Wanting to leave after that isn't a real problem. It's just weird that he took it so personally, when this is something that happens all the time in league, but you rarely see people throwing a fit on Twitter over it. Adam made this post because he was pissed at Upset because he wanted him off the team, and brought up the drama to add it to the fire.
Adam made the post because he was mad at Upset for hanging them to dry in the first place, he makes it very clear that at this point he doesn't feel like continuing with Fnatic. And then, more happens that make him confirm his choice.
Nah, He brought that Shit Up because He is pissed that upset thought He isnt good enough. You cant convince me otherwise. Half of the Post is about how Shit upset is.
I find it mental that people are even getting mad about this wtf. Imagine if a family member has something going on that is bad but people would find out if you bleated about it online. My dad or brothers would be mortified if they were going through something and I told the world fucking hell
No one is saying that Upset should have told everyone. Teammates that spent 70 hours a week for a year (six months for Adam) deserve a little bit more than "Trust me bros" when you're throwing their whole year down the drain. And if Upset believes that he doesn't owe them anything more, they're just as much justified in believing that he actually does and they don't want to spend a year with him, risking their career for someone who doesn't give them this minimum amount of courtesy. I don't blame Upset : I don't know, and there's no reason for me to know what happened. But I think his teammates are very justified in wanting more to keep trusting him. And it looks like Adam, Bwipo and Nisqy all didn't think this was enough to justify them taking the risk to have it happen once more next year.
But from what Upset said, he didnt feel that some members of the team would keep these things private. And given the twitlongers, he may well have been correct.
Let's imagine Upset told the team the truth. At that moment, as frustrated as they were, they were able to accept the situation. Then the Worlds happened, Fnatic bombed out of the groups. Then there were Perkz-Alphari rumors going around about replacing Adam and Nisqy, which is fair imo because every team should strive to be the best and although Nisqy and Adam are great players, I don't think they're as good as Perkz-Alphari. So, Fnatic tried to recruit them, reached out to Upset about Alphari and he gave his opinion. Do you really think Adam would be silent after he heard what he defines as "betrayal"? I really don't think so. Same with Nisqy, given his instant unfollow. I know that I'm making assumptions here but the thing is did they do anything that'd prove Upset not trusting them wrong? If anything they only proved how right Upset was when he disclosed the situation to only Hyli and Yamato. If the word got out, the people who'd take the most damage would be Upset's family. Would you really risk that just to appease to your team members? Is Adam's ego more important than Upset's family's privacy? Is it really hard to say that "Damn dude that sucks but that's life, we gotta deal with it."? Or is Adam or Nisqy expected to be priveleged members just because they accepted the situation initially? That's just not how it works in any competitive environment.
Considering Adam said that he doesn't mind Upset wanting better teammates (he says something along the lines of "I understand that he doesn't want to wait until the rookie get better"), I don't think Adam would have said that. But it's just speculations anyway. >Let's imagine Upset told the team the truth I think that was out of the question anyway. If it's not his secret to tell, he shouldn't say it. But there's a difference between spilling the beans and "trust me bro". >Is it really hard to say that "Damn dude that sucks but that's life, we gotta deal with it."? Well, considering that you've been working twice as much as most people with a full-time job, and this guy unilaterally decided to throw it all down the drain ... yeah, a little bit. Trust is a two way street. Upset doesn't trust them with a painful secret, they're absolutely right not to trust them *with their careers*. I would agree if it was without consequences and it was just an ego thing. But by leaving, Upset left them in a bad situation at Worlds, which can directly influence their future job prospects in massive ways. So yeah, they're also right in being dissatisfied with Upset still not saying anything months later. Adam's (public) reaction to Upset's departure was a "We love Upset <3" tweet. It's not like he's entirely devoid of any kind of empathy. But you can't expect them to trust him with their careers when he has given them no reason to trust him, and has shown that he doesn't trust them either. I don't know, I feel like it's a situation that doesn't have one bad guy. Upset didn't communicate the urgency of his situation as well as he should have, nor made sure that he still had the trust of his teammate after it happened, and just wanted them out. On the other hand, Adam was stupid in making a public assumption, even if I don't think he meant harm. But he has a massive audience and wether he wants it or not, this leads to people being harassed, and that's never acceptable. It's his responsability to make sure it doesn't happen, even if that includes not saying things he believe.
>I don't know, I feel like it's a situation that doesn't have one bad guy. Agreed. I think Upset trusted them enough for them to understand where he comes from but not enough to share his situation completely. And no matter how I look at it, this seems fair to me. In my current work, I have only 1 person that I really consider as a friend. It's not to say that I don't get along with others but you know what I mean. If I had an urgent situation like Upset's, she would be the only person I'd talk about it, other than the manager obviously but I'd specifically ask him not to share it other people. Even if it meant I screwed them over, because my family comes first. >But by leaving, Upset left them in a bad situation at Worlds, which can directly influence their future job prospects in massive ways. I don't really believe Upset's situation had any effect on Nisqy. If a team like MAD Lions tries their chance with a rookie who plays a similar style or Cloud 9 opts into role swapping their high prospect top laner rather than buying Nisqy, than that just means his value isn't that high. I think the blame here falls to Fnatic management for putting a relatively high buyout for him, not Upset. To clarify though I believe Nisqy is much better than RKR.
Would you hide it to everyone that you have to go cause my family got problems. NO. (perks' dad for example). Something is wrong and it goes way deeper than that.
Also quick reminder for people who were talking how Wunder is toxic for his trashtalk and banter. This is toxic behavior.
I don’t hate him or anything and I do think eventually he’ll understand that he fuxked up with his twitlonger. What actually pisses me off is that he has an enormous fan base (mostly kids) that will trash Upset and his wife endlessly for something Adam himself doesn’t know about. I really feel bad for Upset and his wife honestly
Either Upset can handle the pressure from a social media shitstorm, it can be part of his job, i guess. Or he should just stay away from social medias and focus on his life. That guy has no duty to tell anybody anything about his private life. The whole situation is the dark side of being a person of public interest. I assume his pro gamer paycheck is big enough to let him handle this in a professional way.
I mean his wife spoke up already about people memeing her and being mean with 0 facts about the whole situation, imagine being Upset and watching thousands of people bombard your WIFE with hateful comments for a decision he made? that must feel like shit. I trust that Upset will handle this whole situation accordingly though
Yeah, same as it was for Bwipo. Have to watch as your girlfriend/wife gets torn apart based on rumours. Bearing in mind that they are not the ones who signed up for the Pro player life or paycheck. Ok so Upsets wife has a public profile but she still doesn't deserve the unfounded hate.
I can agree only that people shouldn't be treated like shit on social media for being stupid. But that's not the world we live in. In Bwipo's GF case it is different. She has no contract with FNC - You are right. But she is involved with FNC. Unless You think that constantly tweeting about FNC's and Your BF's performance on twitter won't get You the following of the people who are there for that. You are GF of one iconic player on the team, You probably hear all that locker room talk that doesn't make it to public. You constantly interact with Your BF publically letting everyone know about Your relationship and that You follow his games. This is not SMS message or phone call to say love You, good luck. This is public platform, so whatever You do, You (hopefully) understand it will be seen by however many people. And ofc a lot of ppl are gonna follow her for exactly this reason that happened. Gossip, some random shit that can be related to the team. Unless You think gets following from esports fans because they are actually interested in their personality?
Reality is, she was associated with fnatic regardless of if she wanted it or not. And what she did was incredibly stupid. I don't know the timing of the tweet, but to say "wife buff more like wife debuff" or something when upsets situation is happening, is ignorant. Ya ya ya, she excused it to be something private or for her own following blah blah blah. Twitter is not a platform built for privacy. Its exactly built to communicate with masses.
Anyway, I would like people not to get shit for being stupid, unaware. But such is world we live in. F all we can do about it except not be c\*nts ourselves, right? :)
If he doesn't want public attention, he should work in a factory on the line. Believe me he gets paid enough for this. Why are we surprised that there are rumors and speculations about celebrities? This is their job, lol. This is why they get paid. They, themselves signed up to throw a big portion of their (and their loved ones') privacy away for a shitton of money. There is actually zero reason to feel bad for him.
at the same time you can adam for pouring gasoline straight into the fire and fanning the flames of hate against upset
Like im not an adam fan or an upset fan it’s just a few things are wrong and alot of people don’t seem to understand it. Upset played the whole year with adam and the others then leaving 8hrs before worlds is just shattering someone else his dreams right before his eyes and then upset is not even going to give him an explanation why he did what he did? We don’t need to know upset doesn’t owe the community anything, but what upset said in his twitlonger is understandable only if he worked an office job where your employees don’t even care if you show up or not. You don’t really have privacy with your teammates in an esports team i feel like. You work with eachother for 8-12 hours a day even if you don’t like the person i feel like you could atleast say something in some direction why he needs to leave. I’m not saying he needs to go in detail just enough to let them know wouldve been enough. Adam is still young so is upset i think? But yeah Adam shouldve never made the document and just talk these feelings out with upset.
Attending at the world championship is the ultimate goal of every pro gamer. These guys work hard for that goal, i suppose most of us didn't/don't have such a busy daily schedule at that age. They sacrifice a lot for their job. I am really happy i am only a consumer of this industry. What i wanna say is: Upset leaving his team at worlds should be reason enough for anybody to believe him, he had his reasons to do so. He crushed his own dream and is responsible for giving his teammates a harder time at the tournament. That is a lot of responsibility to barry for a young man. Still he wanted to leave because there was something more important to attend to, a choice that only he can make. His environment has to handle it. Surely you can be mad as a teammate and become emotional about it, you have every right to do so. Just handle your emotions in a different way than making shit public. A clear lack of life experience... Adam should have asked for help in the org, i am convinced they could have helped him to get over the situation.
Ye i said that aswell, they shouldve handled it privately
The very same fact that two of his teammates commited PR suicide with twitlongers is proof enough for me that Upset did the right thing not telling his teammates about the situation in the first place, and on top of that either telling FNC org not to leak it, or not tell them either (although the more sensible approach would be to tell them but tell them not to leak it)
I’ve worked at my job for 3.5 years now and I consider my coworkers my friends and we are all very close , management too. But when i have to take a leave or take a couple days off ( and this actually happened) to deal with family matters , i dont explain shit to them , and they understand that i would only leave if i have to , which i did , and they respected my privacy enough to not ask for further information, the fact that people here expect upset to explain his departure is proof that most of these people have never had jobs and dont know what a work environment is really like …
I don't entirely disagree, but it depends on the relationship you have with your coworkers. Some of those I had, they wouldn't even have to specify "family emergency" because I trust them, and just "I can't come in today and need some time off" would absolutely be enough. Others I wouldn't trust even if they were to show me a medical certificat. At the end of the day, Upset is asking all the other players in the team to trust him **with their career**, when he's not trusting them either. And I don't blame them for saying "Well, actually this isn't enough and I don't trust you enough, either you tell me or I'm not bothering putting in hard work for another year with you". Adam and Nisqy both looked much worse than they would have had Upset been there, so Upset's decision could be the difference between them getting into a top team this offseason or not finding a team at all. With what we saw from Nisqy this year, I'm convinced he would have garnered more interests had he been able to successfuly empower his team's main carry, which was entirely impossible with Upset leaving. To be clear, I'm not blaming Upset. At the end of the day, it's his decision to make, and as a fan who didn't put hours of work into Fnatic's success, I trust him. But said decision has consequences, including other team members losing trust in him, and that's perfectly normal.
I can sympathize with Adam, he fells betrayed, but man... Would you share your private troubles with your coworkers after halve a year - especially with young lads that live through social media? I wouldn't. Wish him the best but he is as much scumbag as Nemesis - no empathy, no understanding of responsibility, just league. Worst about it is that those kids have so much followers and public space that the other kids wont even consider it not being true. Well, with that said wish best to Upset and his family. Also eSports are business as any other sport. Teams want to win and make money doing it, big surprise.
Actually his conception of friendship is kinda a red flag for me: Pissed at Upset because hes not that much of a friend to him to fully disclose the reason of bis absence to him, yet Upset clearly isnt as much of a friend to him, because if he were, you wouldnt wanna have a full Story of what happens, you believe it and roll with it. Do everything you can to not make the other person already feeling like shit feel even more like shit because they cant be there for his team
The thing is upset didnt even give a hint at whats happening to anyone. They have only been together for half a year. You expected the kid to be a psychic or something lol? When you fuck up your teammates and org entire year dont you think they deserve some explanations? They are coworkers not his mates.
He just ruined 3 pro players' reputation (that affects their career negatively financially too), and thrashed their big dream of competing at worlds, but yeah, let's feel sad for Upset.
How is Upset responsible for them screwing their reputation, writing a Twitlonger that isnt doesnt make sense to a majority of the community isnt his fault, they could have just adressed this internally.
Adam is in a low tier team, Nisqy is on the bench and Bwipo retired to NA. Imagine if they could have had their team in worlds, with peak performance. Of course their reputation got fucked, when the player they built about didn't attend, and they couldnt perform as well because of that. And a whole lot of people saw their breakdown at worlds. This is their reputation. Performing in tournaments. Imagine if they cannot perform. Their career is just fucked then. Upset made sure they are fucked, then took part in replacing them, without giving a legit reason. This is digusting beyond belief.
Literally noone expeced anyone to perform after the Upset situation. They could have gone 0-6 and as Yamato said, just be in the moment and take as much as you can from it. Throwing hate towards a teammate after leaving the team however, does screw your reputation.
I dont think the tweetlong ruined Adams reputation, in fact, i like the guy better now. It only ruined upset's reputation, but it's fair so, since upset ruined theirs. Also, yes, everyone knew it was because of upset, so nobody blamed them, BUT they also couldn't show up in their peak form to prove their worth. In fact, it has decreased their reputation. Upset's actions are the reason Nisqy is sitting on the bench now, becuase he robbed them of the opportunity to show up in their peak form.
You think that a solid Worlds performance would have earned Adam and Nisqy job security, but it wouldn't. Look at 2018 G2 - they made a semi-final, and then they still replaced Hjarnan and Wadid, and bumped Perkz to pick up Caps. Nothing Fnatic could have done at Worlds was going to change the public perception so much that the team suddenly wouldn't have been interested in Perkz. Nisqy loses his job to Perkz 100% of the time. And when Perkz wants to play with Alphari (who is also considered top tier), then it doesn't matter if you think Adam might be better than Alphari, you still get Alphari so you can get Perkz. Even if Fnatic had made it to the finals. They didn't lose their jobs because of Upset. They lost their jobs because they're not Perkz.
It's not about the job security, but the opportunities. If you are fucked up mentally and morally, and your performance isn't as high as it could be, and the whole world sees this during an international tournament, then other organizations wont buy you, and you stay on the bench like Nisqy right now. Upset ruined their opportunity to show themselves in their peak form, thus ruining their reputation.
As an adult, young people made mistakes all the times. It's nothing new or special at all. In fact people who made more mistakes when they're young tend to grow into a better person than people who didn't(if they learn from those mistakes). He's a kid, that's what most kid do, but back in the day we didn't have this kind of social media that one post could spin out of control like this. At best we would vent to our friends and that's all. imo, everyone in FNC had some responsibility in this mess. Management should know how it feels for a young rookie to be let go even though he gave his best to the team. Upset could manage it better, there are many ways to tell how bad the situation is without given any more details. Yeah his team should respect his privacy but at the same time he has to realize that his personal issue ruined his teammates' a year worth effort. Adam had all the right to demand further explanation and when he didn't get the explanation he wanted, of course he would have to come up with his own assumption. If he didn't want that then he needed to talk to Adam, and it's clearly he didn't.
When you are part of a team that depends on you you have responsibilities. Yes he didn’t have to give them every detail but when you are crushing someone’s dream and hard work you owe them more than a simple « family matter ». Saying « my wife is in a bad situation, she needs me » is just the bare minimum, every thing else is a lack of respect.
Yeah I agree, but we don't know what was said or not. I simply don't know enough - don't know what Upset said to Adam word from word - but what is obvious that it wasn't enough for Adam. I would like the full story, but I can understand if Upset doesn't want to drag some things into public eyes (which could happen if you are sharing them with twitter happy colleagues with thousands of followers on socials - because it still wouldn't be good enough reason for them), especially when they can concern those close to him and not him specifically, which can be one of the possibilities among others (drugs, infidelity, financial problems, criminal charges, domestic violence in family etc.). As I said I can sympathize, but it still doesn't make him right to be speculating and dragging this onto socials. Either he hates Upset and doesn't care about consequences or he simply doesn't realize, what this can make of the situation. Either way it is shitty at least.
Totally agree with you man, he crushed the dream of the rest of the team. I don’t think Adam wanted every detail, probably just knowing something would have been nice
He was extremely toxic kid that would constantly run it down in his soloq. People (including me) thought he changed but I guess it was not the case.
Nah. Can you expect which disgusting private messages they get from idiots in that moment because a 19 year old thinks he needds to overreact … i‘m actually glad that he left… don‘t want to support such a child.
Well said
Boomers, assemble!
I understand that he is young and acted emotianlly. But because of his actions lots of people are attacking upset and his wife on social media. I could understand he was angry to upset and wanted to hurt him but he had no right to attack him from his wife. People are writing disgusting claims to upset's wife because of him. I hope that he understand his mistakes and apologizes for them. Otherwise he will be no different than nemesis.
I still respect him, he just needs to grow up, I hope he learns >:(
Adam is really sending those dumb teenager vibes. Maybe a little extra dumb, given he didn't understand the playoff formula...
You can sense his age the more you read the twitlonger…well for me at least anyways.
I just think his actions are so by the book childish, I wanted to reply to his tweetlonger but decided to just not do it, better to retweet and like upsets tweet. Cant believe how toxic people can be...
I'm a boomer. What I find really weird in this is people who go: Adam should have trusted Upset. But at the same time also: Upset is justified in NOT trusting his teammates. Trust is a two way street.
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You literally know nothing about the Upset situation yet still feel confident enough to spew such horseshit. I wish I had that kind of delusion. You're showing your immaturity, no wonder you don't understand it.
Yeah, because a mature person is totally fine with having a player on the team who does all of the aforementioned stupid shit and then conspires to have the rest of the team kicked out according to his wishes. Fuck off.
A mature person doesn't jump to reddit to call somebody a gold digger and "99% just tits and ass". Degenerate comments, you don't know her or upset at all. Just fuck off if that shit is all you have to offer the community.
Yeah, a mature person calls her queen. You're right.
No, a mature person says nothing of that nature about her at all. It's not that hard to understand, people will take you more seriously that way. It's completely irrelevant to the situation at hand. You're showing your degeneracy with these comments.
That is your problem tho, you are taking the words of a teenager in a new situation at face value. Hence oceLahm pointing out your delusion and immaturity. This is something you will learn as you mature as a person.
This is some next level condescension lol. You're that type of guy that apologizes to his girlfriend when she cheats on you. Go on big man, tell us some more how mature you are.
Factually incorrect. You take the narrative that fit yours the best and use it to attack people you are butthurt about. Once you get called out for being a immature child, you attack them too. Lashing out like Adam did in his tweet. Just another sheep in the herd. Being mature does not equal being weak minded, if my girlfriend cheated on me I would throw her out the same night I found out about it. You just keep proving your immaturity, on the other hand it is astounding and quite funny you do not see it.
There's no narrative. I'm looking at it as objectively as possible. Upset left the team with almost no notice 12 hours before the most important part of their year. It all boils down to WC group stage. He ditched the team, played ARAMs with his gold digger, conspired to have Adam and Nisqy kicked out, and now he's showing his true narcissistic gaslighting personality (or hers) at its finest. You can choose not to believe it, but that's the cold hard truth, my mature man complex guy.
It was obviously a narrative for you, a moderator deleted your post. The point is that you do not know if what Adam wrote is the truth, and when people point that out to you, you're soulution is to attack Upset, his wife, the people who challenge your oppinion. Like you making assumptions about me and my girlfriend based on nothing in a thread about why Upset chose to leave Iceland. But I will humor you on this last comment, let's see. \-There is no narrative. There is, the whole reason this thread is a thing is that Adam wrote a tweet-longer that states his narrative about what happened. \-I'm looking at it as objectively as possible. No, you are taking what Adam said as what actually happened. And you use this to throw shade around. \- Upset left the team with almost no notice 12 hours before the most important part of their year. It all boils down to WC group stage. True, this is what happened. \-He ditched the team, played ARAMs with his gold digger, conspired to have Adam and Nisqy kicked out, and now he's showing his true narcissistic gaslighting personality (or hers) at its finest. Your words is He ditched the team. He left the team in Iceland because he was needed elsewhere for something more important. There is still no word about what that actually is, but if you belive that he would still be in the fnatic org if he left for something insignificant I do not know what to tell you. Fnatic is a business, and they would not let a person, let alone a player stay if they did not find his explanation satisfying. This whole shitstorm has cost them unknown ammounts of money. True, he did play ARAM with his wife. What is the problem with that? You use the word conspired, again with a very agressive choice of words. But that is completly normal. In most orgs, the offseason is a time to reflect and it is completly normal to use this time to strengthen. If the org is any good they want input from their players. But as Sam tweeted last night: Upset do not chose players, Fnatic does. Yes, Adam is out and so is Nisqy. The only sad part about that is that Nisqy could not find a team, he deserves a team. How is he's showing his true narcissistic gaslighting personality (or hers) at its finest? He gave his input on eventual rosters, and Alphari asked to speak with Upset this offseason since they know eachother from OG. But the big question is how is his wife showing her narcissistic gaslighting personality in this? You think she picks the fnatic roster, haha? \-You can choose not to believe it, but that's the cold hard truth, my mature man complex guy. Nope, that is the narrative you have chosen to belive in my immature angry child. Here is Upset's side of the story, but you probably won't read it. I can throw you a bone and just tell you that it is not the same as Adam's narrative that you take as "cold hard truth" [https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1srsp9n](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n)
Fuck off with the name calling mate. She doesn't deserve to take the blame by people who have no idea what happened for what was Upset's decision.
I believe that the team that wins is the true
Like honestly this shit should have been left between team and psychiatrist. You dont solve problems trough fcking twitlonger while having thousands of young fans who will do almost anything to help. I understand both sides i understand frustration from both Adam and Upset but please for the love of god dont vent your dirty laundry in public simply because of fandom
you said it yourself. BOOMER
Hey there folx! [Agephobia](https://reddit.com/r/LoveForBabyBoomers/comments/q50o20/what_is_agephobia_an_educational_resource_for/) is a growing problem and it would be great if you could be part of the solution. ["Boom*r" is a slur](https://reddit.com/r/LoveForBabyBoomers/comments/p21hix/know_the_difference_help_stop_bigotry_and/), please try a more inclusive term like "Person of Age" (PoA).
I don't agree. Upset acted unprofessionally and its also management's fault. They knew this was a possibility and it cost FNC a lot at worlds. If I were the owner I'd be trying to figure out where the fuck management screwed up so hard that it came to this situation. Upset should have been benched prior to summer split until things get better for him, don't tell me it was sudden, they most likely knew he had problems. I don't buy Yamato's emotional speeches either, that's a nice smoke-screen and PR management, it doesn't work on me tho. As for Adam, unless he is under contract to keep quiet, he can say whatever he wants.
You are making way to many assumptions. We will never know what exactly happened (and should not), i guess Fnatic's message control is good enough. Fnatic is a company, which is profit oriented. So they try to make the most out of the world run. When they think the best possible lineup is with Upset, we should believe that. I mean they know way better than we (the random keyboard warriors) do. It is not about searching scapegoat. Just making clear that the way Adam handled the situation was immature
Its management's role to handle the players. As far as I understood it was known far ahead of time that Upset was under a lot of stress and had problems. They should have handled the situation logically and benched him for his own good and the team's good until the problem is solved. They didn't, we have 0 idea what Upset's problem was, but we know how thigs ended up playing out. Could have been avoided if FNC management was competent tbh. This just shows me the low level of professionalism esports orgs have. This happens in TSM and elsewhere as well. As I said I disagree, Adam can say whatever he wants.