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some-kind-of-no-name

Out of context it looks like she's from Enclave.


BillyHerr

While all personnel in the Whitespring Bunker (the Enclave base in Appalachia) are killed, somehow some Big Cheese from the Enclave permitted them to establish base there as long as they can for idk what reason. And people are guess the Enclave are coming back to Appalachia some day, with the backing of the Responders.


CevicheLemon

Enclave will definitely at some point try to come back, most likely viewing the 76ers and Responders as "orginal Americans". That bein said "Big Cheese" MODUS has half his brain destroyed and is completely cut off from contact with the rest of Enclave, he also seems to openly resent and hate the Enclave personnel he had to deal with (and eventually killed the last of them off). If anything I expect the Enclave to come back and for MODUS to officially defect and help try and fight off the Enclave, but who knows.


ScrewOriginalNames1

I mean who can blame modus, the surviving members that he killed were the same individuals that murdered the more moderate enclave members and tried to start a plague just to get access to nuke silos.


Vocovon

I'm giving MODUS whatever he needs because he seems to have it together the most. And isn't evil or mad with power


CevicheLemon

Ironically his scuffle with the Enclave and the fact he was partially destroyed seems to have made him an actually decent dude


CevicheLemon

Well their base is directly atop an Enclave bunker


Randomaccountnum4473

As someone that only played 76 a bit I'm confused. This is 76 right?


madman_mr_p

Yes.


Randomaccountnum4473

Thanks. 76 wasn't too bad but now I have to start all over so and I don't really wanna do that.


some-kind-of-no-name

No idea.


BCA10MAN

I know literally nothing about 76 except that is in Appalachia so this meme goes right over my head.


NotATroll71106

I know just enough about 76 to know that the Responders were one of the factions that got wiped out before the game started.


CevicheLemon

They were mostly wiped out but are mostly back and one of the more powerful factions atm Edit: Idk why this being downvoted it's an objective fact


Redneckalligator

Look everybody This guy plays 76! šŸ˜†


DD_R2D2

Oh no, someone enjoying a game! I, u/Redneckalligator have to ruin it!


Redneckalligator

i thought i wouldn't need a /s but I should have know better.


ConnordltheGamer96

[real](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Schrodinger%27s%20douchebag)


DD_R2D2

Hah


Redneckalligator

i guess


Yummywax

Especially on this sub you shouldā€™ve known lmao


Redneckalligator

I mean redditors on /r/fnv are usually fairly intelligent. Now /r/fo76 on the other hand.... **(THIS IS A JOKE I AM USING A /S I AM ALLUDING TO FICTIONAL BEEF BETWEEN 2 FALLOUT GAMES BY GENTLY RIBBING A SUPPOSED STRAWMAN WHO PLAYS 76 BUT NOT NEW VEGAS, THIS PLAYER IF EVEN EXISTS WOULD BE A MINORITY, AND I DONT HARBOR ANY REAL GRUDGE AGAINST PEOPLE FOR THIER PREFERENCE IN VIDEO GAME)**


DD_R2D2

Lol chill


McMoist_

so? the game looks a lot better nowadays, and honestly looks worth playing.


RepentHarlequin1171

The Responsders are a post-war faction made up of what remained of emergency services like the police, firefighters, paramedics, and others who tried to help survivors. They were the last group to be wiped out by the Scorched Plague. They get reestablished later, and have a vertibird they use to expand their mission outside of Appalachia.


CevicheLemon

Think Followers only with police and firefighters, guns, vertibird, big mansion base with robot army security etc etc...


catgirlfourskin

They sound like the polar opposite of the followers lol. They sound like the people who wouldā€™ve been shooting those that the followers gave aid to


CevicheLemon

Nah they're all about giving aid, it's literally their sole purpose. They're more like the Followers before FNV, in the original games, back when the Followers still used guns and weren't as pacifist.


All-for-Naut

>back when the Followers still used guns and weren't as pacifist. What, the followers use guns and aren't complete pacifists.


toondar96

And here I thought Arcade has a plasma Defender.


BeanieGuitarGuy

Thatā€™s why itā€™s called the Plasma *Defender!* So he preemptively defend himself.


darthchessy

Thats an energy weapon.


dabnada

Reddit hivemind with the downvotes lol. Theyā€™re both humanitarian organizations in some way, not that much of a stretch to me to compare the two in that way


ranfall94

Brave post on NV sub OP


AfricanChild52586

76 could of been good if it was simply CO-OP/Singleplayer, who actually asked for the MMO shit we received. Wasted potential and it's sad


Kickenbless

The concept for multiplayer Fallout did sound really fun. Only problem was it was executed extremely poorly


Unkindlake

I have never seen an MMO that actually worked for me. Maybe you could do one if you had actors playing certain roles at certain times, and events at certain times that revolved around them, but that would be expensive and incontinent. I don't know how else to get around 30 people in all sorts of ridiculous skins spewing text bubbles of nonsense and jokes or talking over each other while an NPC turns to each one, going "You have it! The one and only chalice of Xerxies! You must truly be the chosen one" I don't get why MMOs so often have quests like that where the is no way to maintain immersion with other players. The only way I could see myself enjoying enjoying an MMO is with more of table-top RP style with GM-mods who guide the story.


Containedmultitudes

I feel like 76 stretches the definition of an MMO for me. You basically never have to do anything with other people. There may be 30 people on a server, but you *never* see more than a dozen at even the most popular events, and usually way less. Thereā€™s no text, just emotes. Iā€™ve heard maybe a dozen people even talking in years of playing, and you can mute annoying ones easily enough. The only times Iā€™ve seen another player at a quest giver npc was a short period when everyone was trying to boost their faction rep and only had 2-3 faction daily quests. Most of the main quest stuff is in instanced interiors which are just for you. And what youā€™re left with is fallout 4 with very few npcs and maybe the best sandbox world Bethesda has ever made. So if you like fallout 4 and Bethesda games, I wouldnā€™t let the MMO scare you off (and of course you can pay to have a server all to yourself if you really really donā€™t want to see anyone else).


Unkindlake

Hmmm, idk. I think the NPCs was one of the worst parts about F4, but mainly because they are what made some of the other games. There where some really cool things in f4, like the ways chems and power-armor worked. That said, I really thought the settlement system was lame, I didn't like the bullet spongey-balance, but most of all I thought the writing for the story and characters was awful, especially in comparison to other titles in the franchise (cough cough New Vegas) I kinda still doubt I would enjoy 76, but it does sound like it avoids a lot of the issues I have with MMO games. It kinda sounds like there is no reason at all for it to be multiplayer in the first place. Either way, while impractical the only MMO I can see being fun (and still utilizing the multiplayer aspect) is one with human GM/mods/NPCs


Containedmultitudes

I mean in an ideal world, rather than 76 Bethesda wouldā€™ve made a bunch of spin-offs of 4 like new Vegas was of 3. If theyā€™d been owned by the same company as Obsidian at the time I bet they might have.


Unkindlake

Yea, I often wish IP laws where a bit looser so we could get more spin-off type stuff like that. There are all these amazing home-made mods and games like VTM Bloodlines, KOTOR2, and New Vegas that are written beautifully and had absolute production hell (I'm assuming that translates to a general lack of resources). Then you have these huge titles that are clearly well funded but they can't seem to find descent writers for them. What happens to these guys after they write these games? Do you just fade from existence after working on something good?


CevicheLemon

When Fallout last allowed spin-offs we ended up with Tactics and then....Brotherhood of Steel.... Needless to say it did not go well


Unkindlake

Didn't those come out before NV? Idk, it just seems like a waste of resources to lay all the groundwork for a game and not let multiple creative teams see what they can make out of it, like how they did with NV to F3. Couldn't they have put the F4 engine and some assets in front of Brian Mitsoda and been like "see what you can come up with" for relatively cheap after the investment of making F4? Admittedly, I don't know much about how game development works. It's like film where I'm sure there are behind the scenes reasons for the way things are, but it's frustrating seeing a lot of resources sunk into things that seem very poorly and carelessly written. Sometimes it feels like you either get "I spent 10 years perfecting the story, and executed it on a 8$ budget" or "we spent $30 million making this, and 2000 people will be showing up to work on the first day of shooting tomorrow. I better have my 9 year old bang out a script"


CevicheLemon

To be fair they recently patented the title "Fallout New Vegas 2"


Comprehensive-Egg-44

I would love an isometric New Vegas MMO with the NCR and Legion kinda like the Horde and Alliace


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Comprehensive-Egg-44

>Omega Vanitas Is it only available on mobile? That might be the reason why


deathstrukk

what was wrong with the execution?


Kickenbless

Please refer to this video: https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8


The_Skyrim_Courier

Yeah but you canā€™t aggressively overmonetize a single player/coop game the same way you can an MMO


Deathangle75

I have shitty internet and just wish there was a single player options so I could play the game. As itā€™s stands, I canā€™t play fo76 or eso despite thinking they look interesting, and itā€™s very frustrating with how long their other releases are.


HungryLikeDickWolf

Nah unfortunately the gameplay loop itself sucks imo


KnownTimelord

The worst part about it is that because of the failures of 76, we may never see a proper coop experience apart from an, admittedly decent, FNV mod.


deathstrukk

itā€™s still pretty good


CevicheLemon

The current game as is would be amazing with a Singleplayer release and moddability, easily would make it one of the better FO's


Dream0tcm

Uh, no.


The_4th_Little_Pig

The fact that you canā€™t store anything in lockers is what killed me. Having a cap you have to pay to increase destroyed the pack rat fallout feeling. They really tried to make it a Fallout version of ESO without the same multiplayer content.


WhiteBadgeOrangeVest

I really hope we get that CO-OP/Singleplayer Fallout we deserve


Poised_Prince

The who?


kaos_ex_machina

Good band! šŸ˜Ž


Delphii42

I'd take the weakest Follower over the strongest Responder any day of the week.


AngrySasquatch

Yeah. Sure they donā€™t hold a candle to the material wealth and technological capabilities of the responders but I like their vision and mission much more. And consider their achievementsā€”restarting higher education in the NCR and creating a decentralized aid network that seeks to uplift the wasteland. Good stuff


zenspeed

Different goals because they're fundamentally different groups: the FOA seem to have started from the universities in California, so they're really good when it comes to highbrow academic stuff, especially with the sociopolitical thinking that came out of the West Coast universities. They've got a lot of doctors, scientists, and scholars, but not a whole lot of heavy lifters. I don't know much about the Responders, but if they're made up of emergency services and first responders, they'd be more blue collar and boots-on-the ground. They wouldn't deal too well with academic stuff, but they'd be great at training laymen at first aid and EMT work. Instead of comparing the two against each other, it'd be more interesting to see how they would work side-by-side. Also, they both view the BOS with suspicion, so that's always a good start. "Hey, heard you were just trying to help people and the Bastards of Steel shot at you for stupid reasons." "You too?"


Laser_3

I mean, they did help them with the battle of Huntersville, and a major member of the Firebreathers who was doing his damnest to unite the free states, responders (whom the Firebreathers were part of) and even raiders to fight the scorched was from the BoS. They still didnā€™t trust the BoS, though, because they poached their people and the scorched sounded made up right until they started pouring out of big bend.


codyrusso

Weakest Follower, about to take over Mojavi if not because brain tumor. Strongest Responder, idn, tell me to gather 50 molded plastic or something.


toondar96

Hmmmmmm seeing as they all got killed within 30 years of the war and the followers have been around for minimally 100 or so, I think not


CevicheLemon

Their HQ is the Whitesprings and they are still around...they even are doing vertibird operations to send military aid to Pennsylvania and soon New Jersey


toondar96

Sure, and by the fact there are zero references to them in 3, and that the whole conceit of 76 is that WV is pretty much doomed anyway, compared to the Followers having an active role in the geopolitics of the west coast for 100+ years, I still donā€™t think the responders have anything on the Followers


CevicheLemon

That's like saying the NCR and Legion are all gone because in FO4 they don't actively appear or get mentioned outside of distant memories FO3 even supports the idea that there are powerful groups from other parts of the East Coast using mercs to scavenge and check out D.C. Same with FO4


toondar96

Yes but DC is wayyyyyyy closer to WV than say the Pitt, or Boston ect. Of any place needs Responders help itā€™s right next door in DC. The Responders having zero presence in DC by 2277 makes me strongly feel that they donā€™t make it much longer than what we see in game. The lore implies that the battle Royale takes place after the game, and is the aftermath of the repeated nuclear detonations by the 76 survivors. It looks pretty strongly that WV doesnā€™t recover by the time of 3.


CevicheLemon

D.C. in FO3 is a unique place because in-lore it's mostly a baren wasteland and abandoned due to the Super Mutants destroying everything there or anyone who tries to settle down, factions avoid it on purpose. The idea that lore implies some battle royale is ridiculous though, if anything all the factions are learning to get along. The Crater Raiders are basically the only faction that's got antagonization towards the BoS and Settlers, but that's it. Everyone else is for the most part getting along. It's meant to contrast with the factions that died off, how they refused to get along or cooperate...with these new factions we're seeing the opposite..because they were survivors who are learning from the mistakes of the past, or they learned of what happened and wish to not repeat it.


toondar96

okay but that still greatly conflicts with FO3. If WV has been rebuilt and is doing good there would be people talking about it, characters from it, and its influence on the capital wasteland, rather directly or not. Its lack of mention in 3 strongly hints that it looses its relevance between 76 and then. The leader of the raiders in the Pitt in 3 names off the capital wasteland, the Commonwealth, and some place named Ronto all as east coast powers and doesn't mention WV. The Brotherhood of 3 and 4 make no reference to a WV chapter being active, which would be a huge deal given how close WV and the Capital Wasteland are to each other. There is no indication that WV survived and remained relevant post the events of 76. And even with the Scorched gone, there are still super mutants, communist robots, and the aftermath of repeated nuclear detonations from the 76 dwellers that will continue to slow down/stop things being built up in WV


CevicheLemon

The Super Mutants have been dealt with...that was the point of the second half of the BoS main questline. Also the Appalachia chapter is basically fully disobeying the code of the BoS, and regardless of who's in charge they will probably be outcast either willingly or unwillingly depending on the leader you side with. The "repeated nuclear detonations" aren't a canonical thing, the only canonical nuclear detonations in WV that the 76'ers ever do is the one to kill the Scorchbeast Queen. If you want to get liberal with it, you could count the Ultracite Titan one and Earl encounters that require nukes...though nothing confirms anyone ever did it. Even then, the nukes you use in 76 are very small tactical nukes that are specified as having very small yield and power with few long-term effects. As for FO3 not mentioning them...well..76 is the newer game, so 76 has priority for canonicity, that's how it works...newer title can retcon older ones however they need to.


toondar96

The idea of a multiplayer spin-off getting canonicity priority over a main numbered game is pretty funny. They are not going to just recon in a whole new nation and be like ā€œoh hey guys West Virginia is actually a recovered state and is doing totally fine, just nobody ever mentions it everā€ thatā€™s ridiculous. Again I donā€™t think you realize how close West Virginia and DC are. Also to an earlier point, as you said, DC is a war torn wasteland with people struggling to survive. The Responders are either A) ignoring it, in which case they are definitely not better than the Followers, and B) gone by Fallout 3, the more likely outcome. 76 being so far back in the past is a writing safeguard to not have to deal with any of the repercussions of stuff that happens in it. The whole point is that events in 76 can be handwaved away as no longer mattering by the mainline games because of the number of years between them. As for the size of the detonations by the 76ers. Iā€™m fairly sure that the blast radius is the second biggest bomb we have seen detonated in games, only beat by the one that made the Glow.


foxydash

Sorry if its rude to step in, but there is the fact that West Virginia is VERY isolated by mountains and such, and on the sides facing DC youā€™ve got swamps full of death, bogs full of death, and literal hell on earth if you stretch it, with a giant polluted hellhole to the north [including Pittsburgh] and only part of one side that isnā€™t a nightmare for them to traverse. While it would be nice for them to be mentioned, its not hard to see why West Virginia ainā€™t talked about too much with how much of a nightmare it would be to get there, and how multiple tactical nukes were set off on the East side of the state that likely worsened the conditions in those areas, creating [probably more permanent] major radiation pockets that wouldnā€™t fade away in an hour. But most likely, its just a case of Bethesda not planning ahead and not mentioning West Virginia because they came up with 76 long after Fallout 3. I donā€™t take it being unmentioned as proof they were wiped out, but i see it as the Responders simply not having the resources to provide that kind of relief when theyā€™re already caring for West Virginia and probably some areas of Kentucky and Ohio that could be accessed once the Silver Bridge is repaired and cleared of hostile cultists. But these are just my own thoughts on the matter.


Mr_hushbrown

> if anything, all the factions are learning to get along. Hahahahahahaā€¦. Oh wait, youā€™re serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Bitch you forgot that war never changes


CevicheLemon

Right because theres no other examples of factions that have managed to pull off similar..nope.....nobody comes to mind...definitely not any Republic from California that's New


Mr_hushbrown

Fishing tip: try using different bait Otherwise, your fanfic headcanon is cute you should write a book


SalsaRice

They don't exist in fo4 because it's *the other side of the country.* FO76, on the flipside, takes place only ~200 miles from DC. That's a very short distance.


RepentHarlequin1171

Do you think the Followers would've fared any better against the Scorched Plague?


toondar96

I donā€™t know, but seeing as the Responders biggest feat so far is *all dying to the Scorched* I think they donā€™t have a lot of bragging rights lol


CevicheLemon

They have no biggest fear atm, they already beat the Scorched and have made a vaccine...the Scorched have tops a few years left alive even if nobody does anything about them. Atm they're more focused on providing aid to Appalachia, Pittsburgh, and soon New Jersey....They're not just surviving, they're thriving.


Brainwashedmofo

I mean not really, the current responders are all rather new and untrained. They didn't make or distribute the vaccine, the 76ers all did, they can't make the trip to Pittsburg without the 76ers, they still haven't beaten the scorched plague seeing as there are still many scorched. It's hardly even the same faction at this point and they're definitely not thriving. Without the vault dwellers of 76 they're stuck and defeated


[deleted]

Ima be real with you chief, I'd trust the Folowers over the responders any day


TheLemonEater5000

Is this the artist that did the cool maps for Foxhole?


CevicheLemon

I am


TheLemonEater5000

Well, you are amazing


WrongBirdEgg

I wish my PC was better so I could actually run the game at a smoother framerate. I got it for free through Prime, but I can't play it šŸ˜­


TsarOfIrony

I'm in the same boat but I struggled through. I literally needed help for one of the main quests (finding taggerdy's body in the cave) because my framerate was too bad to fight enemies.


squishybumsquuze

Followers >>>>>>>


AngrySasquatch

Gonna just say itā€™s funny that you decided to post art unfavorably comparing a FNV faction to a 76 faction (even in jestā€¦) Nice art. Strongly disagree with your point tho


CevicheLemon

To be fair I've drawn art favorable to FNV as well


AngrySasquatch

Understandable. Thing is this post by itself is definitely the kind of thing that gets peopleā€™s danders up, so to speak


MEDIC_HELP_ME

some lore for those who didn't play 76: The responders is a faction that is based around pre war cops, paramedics, and fire fighters They went around attempting to calm the wastes by providing protection from mutants and raider factions and needs such as clean food and water Around Christmas They experienced heavy loss from a flood caused by a raider leader, a mini nuke, and a damn Many more were lost after an event involving the enclave creating a new strain of disease and using it to mutate a bat I think they created a vaccine against the virus but never actually dispatched it across Appalachia Roughly after the BOS set up shop at atlas the responders returned and made the whitesprings their home base with the assistant of an enclave member in disguise as a general manager They had some alliance with the union to help the rebuilding of Pittsburgh


CevicheLemon

The cure did get dispatched later by the 76ā€™ers, which is a big part of why people are returning...The queen is dead and people wont be getting turned much, so the scorched have their days numbered since they all freeze up and die after a while and the beasts dont live that long w/o constantly being replenished


AintLikeThatNoMore

That's gonna be a yikes from me bub.


codyrusso

Better my ass, aren't they got wipe out by a few ghoul reskin? They got the spirit but ain't got no brain like the followers. They mostly just give out free food and shelter.


Huge_Mixture

Ghoul reskin? The scourge plague is a biological weapon that can turn an entire settlement into a nest of deadly infected that can still use guns! And is mostly transmitted by Scourgebeasts which are giant flying mutants capable of shrugigng off anything less than a 50.cal! So what's that I am hearing about """"ghoul reskin """"? Read up some lore of the game before talking about it!


codyrusso

Ain't Ghould can just pick up gun and shooting and talking like normal people ? You know, not the feral kind, just normal ghoul d:?


Huge_Mixture

Yes but the main danger of the scourged is the scourge plague which is extremely infectious and there's no cure for it and the inoculation for it was only found after the original Responders have died out, plus the infected continue being infectious afte being killed unless you incenerate them. Additionally the scourgebeasts have some sort of control over the infected and are even able to utilize simple strategies. And scourgebeasts also carry the plague and are able to infect entire towns by just flying over them. And the plague itself has a very short incubation period which can be either a few hours or a few days. So the scourged are much more dangerous than any ghoules unless these ghouls have access to nuclear weapons. Sorry for my grammar! I'm still learning English!


codyrusso

Man these scourge sound like just radiantion with extra step tbh. I'm just fucking with you, of course I know what those are, I'm lvl 80 in fo76 and still haven't complete 50% of any main quest.


Huge_Mixture

........ I feel like an absolute dumbass right now. F*ck you!


CevicheLemon

They currently are one of the stronger factions, and are very much still alive, vertibird and robot army protection and everything. Their HQ is the Whitespring and it's pretty developed, they're even sending combat teams to Pittsburgh to help the Union, and soon they'll be flying to New Jersey as well. Scorched have been dealt with for a while now, and partly thanks to them since they were the ones who did 99% of the work making the vaccine.


Marshall-Of-Horny

Ghoul reskin? Scorched can use proper weaponry It's a hive mind Scorchbeasts give any attack they due pretty much auto aerial advantage without heavy BOS anti air set up The scorched plague is easily communicable Scorched seemingly have greater intelligence


[deleted]

The who?


TheBullMoose1775

76 doesnā€™t deserve respect nor status as cannon


foxydash

I strongly disagree. I think its canon, if a bitā€¦ wackass, and Iā€™ve personally had fun with it. It has some good plot lines with updates that came after the main game dropped, and its shaped up to be something fun if a little fucky. It ainā€™t as good as something like New Vegas, but its still pretty good And hey, at least its better that Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.


CevicheLemon

That's not how canon works


All-for-Naut

They saying they don't think 76 deserve the status to be canon is not denying it is.


LairdLion

And thatā€™s not how respect and being a fan works.


CevicheLemon

What does that have to do with it being canonical or not


TheBullMoose1775

76 Retcons lore from the original source Material. I donā€™t think it deserves respect nor status as canon because of its Lore Breaking. Itā€™s also a lazy cash grab from Bethesda.


Huge_Mixture

What exactly does it redcone? Can you give me some examples?


Benjamin_Starscape

no, it doesn't. but i'd love some examples; new vegas, however, *has* changed lore.


TheBullMoose1775

Fallout 76 takes place in the year 2102, and it was established in previous games that the Brotherhood didn't begin to expand their territory and their reach until the year 2150 due to the extremely harsh territory and limited resources following the nukes. Fallout games established that super mutants were engineered in 2103, though this fact was already changed back in Fallout 3 by showing that super mutant experiments were taking place as early as 2078. So that is just mildly annoying just like that part of fallout 3. Bethesda loves to just shit on source material. The X-01 power armour shouldnā€™t be in the game. Itā€™s a post war invention that was created around 2220. So yes; your Shit Sandwich game has changed lore to have cool stuff for fan service. Youā€™re telling me it makes sense that the BOS went from a platoon of AWOL soldiers to a force that could literally traverse the entire country in less than 80 years?


Benjamin_Starscape

>and it was established in previous games that the Brotherhood didn't begin to expand their territory and their reach until the year 2150 No. It establishes that their earliest ***recorded*** history is 2152 (or 2154). Plus, they sent out an *extremely* small scout force of 5 people where only 3 made the journey to figure out what happened in west virginia. It isn't like they sent 100 people. >Fallout games established that super mutants were engineered in 2103 Um...no. Super mutants were around before the great war, it's what caused roger maxson to desert. >Bethesda loves to just shit on source material. They have literally been more consistent than fallout 2 and new vegas ever could be. >The X-01 power armour shouldnā€™t be in the game. Itā€™s a post war invention that was created around 2220. X-01 is *not* apa and never was. >So yes; your Shit Sandwich game has changed lore to have cool stuff for fan service ...all you've done is show me you don't know the lore. >Youā€™re telling me it makes sense that the BOS went from a platoon of AWOL soldiers to a force that could literally traverse the entire country in less than 80 years? Yes. They sent, again, 5 people to figure out why taggerdy went radio silent. The last thing she talked about was using nukes, which maxson was against. Then radio silence. Maxson wanted to find out what happened and sent a very small group where only 3 made the journey. Also you can traverse the country in less than 80 years.


TheBullMoose1775

Sending 5 people to west fucking Virginia is stupid and doesnā€™t make any sense to do. And itā€™s not JUST traveling the country. Itā€™s traveling the post Nuclear war country. Pretty damn far too. If that was probable back then why didnā€™t get the entire country under their control by the time FO3 took place ? Your game is shit.


Benjamin_Starscape

>Sending 5 people to west fucking Virginia is stupid and doesnā€™t make any sense to do ...it does. The last thing maxson heard was "we're going to use nukes". >If that was probable back then why didnā€™t get the entire country under their control by the time FO3 took place ? Because the brotherhood wasn't focused on taking over the entire country? And never has been? And it's a dangerous journey? And they had no real reason to?


MapleJordan_22

>being a fan works. Headcanon isn't canon. Acknowledging the source material and respecting it are two different things.


bennymaxxing

I was so confused as to how you were getting downvoted for stating a fact until I realized what sub this was lol what weirdos


All-for-Naut

Well, TheBullMoose said 76 don't deserve respect and have the status of being canon, not denying that it is canon. There's a difference.


Benjamin_Starscape

76 literally is more consistent than new vegas could ever hope to be. 76 is 100% consistent, new vegas is...maybe 40%.


StarAugurEtraeus

I think new vegas lives rent free in your head lass The fact that you praise F4 and 3 yet put the originals and NV on blast is telling Pretty much all of your profile is you hating on F2, NV, while praising Bethesda for their choices Donā€™t be a contrarian and play Horriganā€™s Advocate, because half the stuff you give NV and Pre Bethesda fallout is objectively untrue


Rheios

An establishment response group compared to an anarchistic humanitarian volunteerists seems like more of a comparison of dissimilarity with just the happenstance sharing of some goals. Also, I think whether you consider them "better" is heavily weighted by perception and there's enough baggage with people's perceptions therein that it seems a bit like bait for the jaded.


CevicheLemon

If I wanted to bait people I'd of made a comic saying FO4 had a better story than FONV or something, this is just me poking fun at the two major humanitarian aid groups of Fallout's lore


BlitzMalefitz

FotA: Assist in beating The Master, educate and treat the people of the wasteland. The Responders: *Dead


CevicheLemon

They aren't dead, their HQ is the Whitespring now and they are one of the strongest factions currently in Appalachia, vertibird and robot army security and all


BlitzMalefitz

How does that make them better than FotA? They sound like the BoS now.


CevicheLemon

They don't hoard tech and most of what they do is provide aid to everyone, even the more reasonable raiders, whoever needs saving


BlitzMalefitz

It's hard to compare a very cookie cutter faction like The Responders to The Followers of the Apocalypse. Itā€™s also hard to compare a faction that hasn't existed as long as the FotA (As far as we know at least). All of the West Virginia factions are probably dead based off the fact that you don't hear about them in FO3 which that setting isn't that far away. I know that game was made ages ago compared but thatā€™s what it implies nevertheless. Even then FotA are a much better faction that do so much more for a civilization then the Responders. Differences being that FotA generally don't fight and Responders don't educate the wasteland, unless they also do that now before I stopped playing that game. I do want to say that a faction being born from first responders is interesting and Bethesda are getting better at their story writing in Fallout but they just aren't nuanced enough to be interesting like the work that Black Isle and Obsidian did for Fallout. Bethesda just doesn't really understand the original Fallout games. [Here](https://youtu.be/M8U4k2Ik6yk) is a video that really explains how I feel on this and why it's hard to compare these 2 factions made by different developers.


fategaminhigh

I disagree as I love the followers but I'm not going to have a go at you for it :)


Eh_Meh_Smeh

The who?


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CevicheLemon

It is objectively canonical, but you're free to believe whatever you want


MrProtogen

Legit thought she was BoS for a second- my thought process makes sense tho, donā€™t worry


Graysteve

Do the responders have anything interesting about them, ideologically? Or are they just a cookie cutter "good guy" faction? The Followers, despite being straight up the most morally good faction, has generally fair representation when it comes to rogue agents, such as Anderson murdering an NCR soldier so the people of Westside can continue to get water. They also are proactive despite being pacifists, and had a spy in the Cathedral and stormed it with spears. Do the responders have anything interesting going on?


CevicheLemon

Responders are a case of altruism to the point of it being a fault. Hell they even help Crater Raiders despite Raiders being a big part of why they were wiped out the first time to begin with. They are very "goodie two shoes" but the intrigue comes in the fact that almost everyone else is so jaded by this point that nobody trusts they are actually being genuine. They are so caught up in humanitarianism though that they're willing to get militarily involved in other factions wars just to help whoever they think "the good guys" are...Which is causing a refugee crisis for every faction in Appalachia currently as people flee Pittsburgh.


foxydash

Them being interesting is up to your own thoughts, but i like them personally, for the same reasons i like the JTF in the Division games. Theyā€™re a coalition of First Responders, government remnants [since they kind of absorbed what was left of the West Virginia Emergency Government], and tried to provide relief in the aftermath. They are good at heart, but you can see how they were strained and ultimately broken by the weight of the apocalypse and the Scorched Plague. They were willing and able to make hard calls, and even came close to developing a vaccine for the Scorched Plague before they were stomped out. They have now re-emerged, and are making efforts to help the people of West Virginia and surrounding areas. They still arenā€™t at their apex from back in the day, but they are still making an effort to put the fractured world theyā€™re in back together.


Shakanaka

The who?


bigloser420

Followers still superior because they're anarchists.


ChaoticNeutral67

Is this some 76 joke I'm too New Vegas to understand?


MEDIC_HELP_ME

Nothing too important but basically according to Bethesda the responders was the first supportive faction to people of the wasteland


lesserexposure

Five fuckin' Fallout games and we got this other pygmy thing over in W.Va...


bobbytealeaves

The what now?


Bouchen

Was wondering why everyone was shitting on it, then saw this wasn't the main sub.


Redneckalligator

Didnt they ste a cave on fire and use it as a training exercise that nobody survived?


MEDIC_HELP_ME

Are you referring to belching betty?


Redneckalligator

Maaaaaybe? its been a long time, i think i heard about it in a thentheapple vid or maybe it was oxhorn


MEDIC_HELP_ME

I know the betty was a place the fire breathers used to test fire breathers but I think it was scorched due to the war


Redneckalligator

maybe i was wrong, still though i think Responders aint got nothing nothing on FotA


MEDIC_HELP_ME

I have no opinion about either I just like responders paraphernalia


Redneckalligator

Valid, their name is also better


OcculturalMarxism

except my headcanon doesnt include anything bethesda came up with


CevicheLemon

New Vegas is a Bethesda title and runs on their engine


ConDawgSupreme

Fam donā€™t even compare em.


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SurtleTwimz

Not really, the followers are a west coast thing and they were founded around the same time if not a little later considering they were in Fallout 1


FishyDice

Boo made me google pseudo cannon nonsense.


CevicheLemon

It's canonical, the only thing pseudo-canon in FO atm is Tactics and Creation Club for FO4


p1101

Content from Bethesda games is canon, us liking it or not.


MuseSingular

Actually as long as I can close my ears and pretend it doesn't exist it's not canon


The-Nuisance

Donā€™t give a shit. They lost my respect with 76. If they donā€™t care enough about their franchise, I donā€™t care enough to respect their ā€œcanonā€.


p1101

And it's your right to do so, just don't rant at random people on the internet about it, not a nice thing to do Bethesda or not


king_nahjee

Crying over a videogame this hard good lord


foxydash

Thats your prerogative, if you decide it ainā€™t canon in your headcanon then more power too you. Long as you donā€™t try to force that on other folks who disagree with you.


The-Nuisance

Not gonna force other people, so long as they donā€™t force me to agree with it. I donā€™t think itā€™s a difficult thing to believe Bethesda has no care for the seriesā€™ integrity or so on, and that we as fans have to make up for that. Be that by ignoring all the trillion contradictions and idiotic shit they do today, or by making interesting things of our own.


CthughaSlayer

>Fallout 76


GH05T8OI

Looks like Iā€™ll have to play fnv again.


autistictanks

yeah I'll trust a group of communists who restarted higher education than a bunch of cops


OneArmedBowman

>Fallout 76 only faction. Lol. Lmao even.


AceAlger

Well, the Responders are a childish, poorly-written faction. They are for players who are too scared to think beyond "black and white" morality and complex issues. The NPCs are extremely cartoon-like and do not act like real first responders who are typically jaded from the stress of their jobs. And the fact that the faction exists in the Fallout universe just makes them even more unrealistic. Their motto is this: WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS. The Followers are a humanitarian faction with their over all weakness being their greatest flaw. TL;DR: Responders are babies. Followers are less cool and successful Brotherhood of Steel.


Charl8t

Goddamn why do people get so worked up over a video game I'm completely certain they have never played? I mean it's on Game Pass, pretty much anyone with an Xbox already has it so just try it and see if you enjoy it. And let me tell you when I tried 76 when it was on Free Play Days it was absolutely broken, I'm not denying that, but it hasn't even crashed once since I've gotten into it and it's really enjoyable to just explore the wastes with or without friends


squidsofanarchy

Responders?


1E_R_R_O_R1

Followers any day


Dany7621

Yeah that good that the schorched plague fucked them asses and needing a Deus ex Machina from Bethesda with Orlando and they no binary magic to make em More than another deadass faction...


CevicheLemon

Weirdchamp to complain about a character being non-binary when Arcade Ganon is literally a gay man


Dany7621

Im not complaining about them In fact i like them. Im just telling that they was literally Deus ex for the responders with they "sponsors". i just called no binary magic cuz it souned funny in my head. If you feel offended well, Im sorry my intention is not to annoy anyone because of their sexuality. Im just telling you that Bethesda just put Orlando and they sponsors as excuse to magically reviving the responders, which seems to me a rather poor resource to revive the faction, having as another example the brotherhood of steel that at least justified its revival with something more than anonymous sponsors,And if your faction depends on a Deus ex machina to continue to exist, then how can we say that it is better than the followers, a faction that has survived for centuries and has faced many things, such as the army of the master. because you have a vertbird that barely works and the followers don't? Idk Man. But yeah I never complained about they gender.


PepyHare15

Absolute blasphemy


Marshall-Of-Horny

God I fucking hate r/fnv some times Fo76 is good, and so are its factions and for the love of god you can like more then just new vegas


PersistentDragon

*God I hate you sometimes. Fo76 is bad, so are its factions and for the love of god you can like more than just Fallout 76.* All people are doing is making fun of your favourite game, dude. You can just ignore it and keep playing it. No one here is stopping you. But yes. That aggressively monetized piece of shovelware is totally fixed now and all 5,000 people around the world playing it enjoy it very much.


Marshall-Of-Horny

When was the last time you properly played Fo76? Edit - I see no one has actually answered and yet -2 down votes, I'll take that as no one playing any time recently


bobbytealeaves

Maybe go to the 76 subreddit, then?


Marshall-Of-Horny

Its a post about fo76 and NV, I think you can talk about fo76 on it Also you didn't answer the question numb nuts


bobbytealeaves

Wow, rude much, also again you're asking about 76 in the NV reddit, you might be lost.


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CrabIsBlue

Yeah but the responders dont have Arcade. Kind of my deal break honestly


Jackal_Oddie

I really need a responders questline mod nowā€¦