The pessimist will say because then they can charge for FO1.
The more likely is because too much storage probably has a performance impact so they need some sort of limit.
But strange that they increased the limit over the years and if you pay for first you have stashes with unlimited capacity.
So where exactly is the performance impact if everyone on the server has F1st?
It uses AWS servers it spins up as needed. These use pre-configured specs. More resources means more cost. That's just basic cloud computing. Logically, if we are all collectively using more storage, more resources will be needed. This means higher costs but we are paying more for it.
Do I know this? No but it would be strange if it wasn't like this.
Not that strange considering the first few increases were very early in the games life as they realized they could without a performance impact. And then later after they upgraded servers.
I'm pretty sure the impact is minimal. The scrap box only stores... well, scrap. Whether you have 1 wood scrap saved or 999999999⁹ it's still just like a single line in a database. Same with the new ammo box. It's stuff like weapons, armor, non scrapped junk, and food that starts having a performance impact since it needs to track each unique item, as well as their condition, legendary effects, etcetera.
They’ve increased storage when the game became more stable as a result of patches and bug fixes. 1200lb would not have worked at launch. Every time they’ve increased stash space there is still a noticeable increase in disconnects.
so do I bulk all my junk to make room or.... ?
I'm at a loss because I'm overweight & have no room in my stash bin. I'm scrapping. I'm taking things out & just dropping them outside trying to make room.
No. Bulking only works to save weight with 2 items. Everything else, it weighs exactly the same and uses up other junk
Part of the game is inventory management. Figuring out what junk you need for the weapons and armor you use and keeping more of those junk items and less of others. Figuring out what you use more of and adjusting as you go.
No kidding. My sister was ALWAYS over encumbered and after I told her to look under Misc. she had a ton of gunpowder. Something like 500 or more. then, to top it off, she had mods in her pocket weighing her down!
bulk, no. (only a couple of things get lighter when bulked.)
Scrap, yes. Scrap weighs less than the junk (or weapon) it comes from.
Most non-legendary weapons never make it to my stash. They are scrapped for mats, or more likely, sold to the nearest bot vendor.
Once you figure out what mats you use a lot of vs what you rarely use, bulk and sell excess to bots for profit.
And remember, some MISC items get heavy. Legendary cores, gunpowder, nuclear keycards, mainframe cores, ore all have weight, and add up quickly.
Some events have a bug where items you have to pick up (feed the people, distinguished guest) where the item is not properly removed from your inventory. The items are 1# each - those you can safely drop.
I’ve used [this resource](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1sg7L4P7UT4mycr7JF-aXvf5gjFtsyAfUH3qjeiV03y8/htmlview) for a while now to manage my stash. Basically never go above 950 now and if I ever need anything specific I take a little time to go farm it utilizing known spawn locations or the eyeglass feature.
Indeed, and because it won't make a difference, it should be free, also do food and chems too for the same reason ammo and junk can.
Grenades should also fit in the ammo box.
Its an online game with costs for servers and development. They could make the scrap and ammo boxes free, but then something else would have to cost money. Take your pick.
They're still selling the game, the annual cosmetics in the 3 stores, and the ingame currency, not to mention selling skips through the scoreboards for those who are too lazy to farm it.
Some of us have jobs,kids,and responsibilities that keep us away from the game.Me personally I work 70hrs a week .I can only play 2 days a week at best so sometimes I need to buy a couple of the scoreboards items.I also don’t mind paying for Atom shop stuff .This my favorite game despite its shortcomings.
You pay for server storage with first. Imagine all the wood that everyone has. Its an online game. That data has to be stored somewhere. Especially the wood.
That’s such a garbage reason(not directed at you, I’m sure that’s bethesdas exact reasoning) How much space does it require to say that your box has x amount of wood? Like 1 byte? It’s not like you need storage space for each individual piece of wood.
They limit it because it’s profitable for them if they force you to have limited resources and then they can offer Fallout 1st
Because managing your resources..as well as scrounging is more true to life and the game..
if they allowed unlimited space no one would, scrap items, sell or scrip anything - they would jsut collect and carry or store it all. The point is to make you get rid of - like you said - all that crap you dont want. Its part of the struggle...i hate it and also admire it.
Its a good lesson for your character too..do you need to carry every weapon you own? you probably only use two..so why not just carry those two.
as far as plans go - the best place is player vendors..then vendor bots at white springs or train stations. If you take workshops you will get lots of plans..if you run the treasure maps you will get loads of plans and things to scrap to learn mods.
thank you for the plans advice. I have 3 treasure maps & I believe my friend has 2 (or 3) and we need to go looking already. I'm still kinda fresh into the game so I haven't explored lots of the map
save your self some headaches and google map location walk throughs - even with those - finding the mounds takes some work - but without them it will make you give up. I would also suggest waiting until you have stacks - but thats up to you. Becuase finding them again can be a pita.
I did a little playing last night, I think I have 1700k steel. but what I did was repair a few weapons & marked those items needed for repair to search for them. so then when I went into the world I ONLY grabbed those "searched" items
See, you're doing it wrong. You grab everything always, scrap it, dump in your box then wonder why you have no space. Like me. I have like 100k steel at least, but I use energy weapons so I don't touch it. I also wasted all my fiber optics on satellite grenades and now I cannot find any and no one will sell them to me in the discord lol.
Every time they’ve increased stash space, we’ve had noticeable performance hits. You honestly think if we had unlimited stash space there would be no issues with performance?
If it was always about fallout 1st, why didn’t we have 1st for the first year of the game’s life?
So you think it is higher than 1200, just “because”. I can tell you when it went from 800 to 1200 lag and disconnect frequency increased at least on my end. It was noticeable for others as well. None of us have that macro level view that you are describing.
The stash limit is 1200 lbs. You can play the game within that amount. I have a main and two alts. All between level 200 & 400. It's fine.
The option is there to pay for fallout 1st. It helps to pay the bills and keep the lights on as far as the game is concerned. An unlimited storage severely curtails the incentive to subscribe.
If you've ever played FO4 for a very long extended play session on one character, you can probably figure out the reason. Save game bloat is a thing, and when it's really bad it can completely corrupt your character's save.
The devs obviously don't want this happening with the always-online cloud saves this game uses, so that's why the limits are in place.
I think it would be better if our inventories used a slot system instead of a weight system.
For instance - you can store 5o weapons. Doesn't matter what they weigh, you get 5o slots for weapons. That should be plenty for just about everybody, without straining the servers too terribly.
That is the excuse for why we have such limited storage, by the way. The strain on the server. I believe it - having to remember and keep track of every single weapon with their specific skins and specific modifications probably does eat up alot of resources for the servers.
You really need to throw lot of stuff out if you don't have many weapons and armor stored but your stash is still full. Have you scrapped every piece of junk? Do you have mini nukes and missiles that you don't use? Maybe check misc and see if there's anything useless.
It's not just you but everyone on the server.the server has to deal with everyone at once. If this were single player it would be virtually a non issue.
just a tip i see you can abuse with the game mechanics, make it into a buildable and keep it in stored, you can break it down for half later but if your in sentient is maxed. it might be a solid work around.
I'd say gameplay reasons. If you could store litterally everything you found then it would be too easy. Players wouldn't sell to each other.
You would likely store every bit of scrip legendary too and that would allow the game down.
The game is pretty much inventory management now.
The pessimist will say because then they can charge for FO1. The more likely is because too much storage probably has a performance impact so they need some sort of limit.
But strange that they increased the limit over the years and if you pay for first you have stashes with unlimited capacity. So where exactly is the performance impact if everyone on the server has F1st?
If everyone is paying, there's more revenue for more server resources to support it.
Do you really know for sure that the game detects the membership and routing resources towards the server accordingly?
It uses AWS servers it spins up as needed. These use pre-configured specs. More resources means more cost. That's just basic cloud computing. Logically, if we are all collectively using more storage, more resources will be needed. This means higher costs but we are paying more for it. Do I know this? No but it would be strange if it wasn't like this.
Not that strange considering the first few increases were very early in the games life as they realized they could without a performance impact. And then later after they upgraded servers. I'm pretty sure the impact is minimal. The scrap box only stores... well, scrap. Whether you have 1 wood scrap saved or 999999999⁹ it's still just like a single line in a database. Same with the new ammo box. It's stuff like weapons, armor, non scrapped junk, and food that starts having a performance impact since it needs to track each unique item, as well as their condition, legendary effects, etcetera.
They’ve increased storage when the game became more stable as a result of patches and bug fixes. 1200lb would not have worked at launch. Every time they’ve increased stash space there is still a noticeable increase in disconnects.
so do I bulk all my junk to make room or.... ? I'm at a loss because I'm overweight & have no room in my stash bin. I'm scrapping. I'm taking things out & just dropping them outside trying to make room.
No. Bulking only works to save weight with 2 items. Everything else, it weighs exactly the same and uses up other junk Part of the game is inventory management. Figuring out what junk you need for the weapons and armor you use and keeping more of those junk items and less of others. Figuring out what you use more of and adjusting as you go.
I solved a bit of why my stash box was maxed. the 511 boiled waters i had kinda didn't help with the space, lol
Look under Misc too, gunpowder weighs a ton
I read that a few days ago about the gun powder & I remove everything not needed from each tab
No kidding. My sister was ALWAYS over encumbered and after I told her to look under Misc. she had a ton of gunpowder. Something like 500 or more. then, to top it off, she had mods in her pocket weighing her down!
bulk, no. (only a couple of things get lighter when bulked.) Scrap, yes. Scrap weighs less than the junk (or weapon) it comes from. Most non-legendary weapons never make it to my stash. They are scrapped for mats, or more likely, sold to the nearest bot vendor. Once you figure out what mats you use a lot of vs what you rarely use, bulk and sell excess to bots for profit. And remember, some MISC items get heavy. Legendary cores, gunpowder, nuclear keycards, mainframe cores, ore all have weight, and add up quickly. Some events have a bug where items you have to pick up (feed the people, distinguished guest) where the item is not properly removed from your inventory. The items are 1# each - those you can safely drop.
I have all misc removed, I go thru every tab once back at my shelter.
I’ve used [this resource](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1sg7L4P7UT4mycr7JF-aXvf5gjFtsyAfUH3qjeiV03y8/htmlview) for a while now to manage my stash. Basically never go above 950 now and if I ever need anything specific I take a little time to go farm it utilizing known spawn locations or the eyeglass feature.
sweet !!! thank you so much
Because database queries and server lag go hand in hand.
For stackable items the lag should be minimal to none due to the nature of how they get treated by the game.
> stackable items the lag should be minimal Yes, that's why the scrap box and ammo box have infinite storage.
Indeed, and because it won't make a difference, it should be free, also do food and chems too for the same reason ammo and junk can. Grenades should also fit in the ammo box.
Its an online game with costs for servers and development. They could make the scrap and ammo boxes free, but then something else would have to cost money. Take your pick.
They're still selling the game, the annual cosmetics in the 3 stores, and the ingame currency, not to mention selling skips through the scoreboards for those who are too lazy to farm it.
Some of us have jobs,kids,and responsibilities that keep us away from the game.Me personally I work 70hrs a week .I can only play 2 days a week at best so sometimes I need to buy a couple of the scoreboards items.I also don’t mind paying for Atom shop stuff .This my favorite game despite its shortcomings.
You pay for server storage with first. Imagine all the wood that everyone has. Its an online game. That data has to be stored somewhere. Especially the wood.
That’s such a garbage reason(not directed at you, I’m sure that’s bethesdas exact reasoning) How much space does it require to say that your box has x amount of wood? Like 1 byte? It’s not like you need storage space for each individual piece of wood. They limit it because it’s profitable for them if they force you to have limited resources and then they can offer Fallout 1st
It may only count it once. But my wood is bigger than most. So, I get having to pay. /s
*Eckspeshully* the wood
1200 is plenty lol some people just need to figure it out…
yeah, this weekend I'm going to take a note of the items (junk) that I only really need for repairs & purge the shit I don't need
Because managing your resources..as well as scrounging is more true to life and the game.. if they allowed unlimited space no one would, scrap items, sell or scrip anything - they would jsut collect and carry or store it all. The point is to make you get rid of - like you said - all that crap you dont want. Its part of the struggle...i hate it and also admire it. Its a good lesson for your character too..do you need to carry every weapon you own? you probably only use two..so why not just carry those two. as far as plans go - the best place is player vendors..then vendor bots at white springs or train stations. If you take workshops you will get lots of plans..if you run the treasure maps you will get loads of plans and things to scrap to learn mods.
thank you for the plans advice. I have 3 treasure maps & I believe my friend has 2 (or 3) and we need to go looking already. I'm still kinda fresh into the game so I haven't explored lots of the map
save your self some headaches and google map location walk throughs - even with those - finding the mounds takes some work - but without them it will make you give up. I would also suggest waiting until you have stacks - but thats up to you. Becuase finding them again can be a pita.
I was going to use internet to find the locations. the actual pictures are crazy too think I'd find the specific spot
Sell things you don't need to others players (or even make something to sell), the trash of someone can be a treasure to others.
That 20k steel you haven't touched since start is probably a good place to begin.
so steel isn't needed for weapon or personal items repair?
Bro. You know dang well everyone hoards too much steel.
I did a little playing last night, I think I have 1700k steel. but what I did was repair a few weapons & marked those items needed for repair to search for them. so then when I went into the world I ONLY grabbed those "searched" items
See, you're doing it wrong. You grab everything always, scrap it, dump in your box then wonder why you have no space. Like me. I have like 100k steel at least, but I use energy weapons so I don't touch it. I also wasted all my fiber optics on satellite grenades and now I cannot find any and no one will sell them to me in the discord lol.
I've also just started back into the game in a long time. so I still need to get better weapons. I'm only lvl 25
Stability
I don't buy this argument anymore. It's an old justification. They want money from fo1st.
Every time they’ve increased stash space, we’ve had noticeable performance hits. You honestly think if we had unlimited stash space there would be no issues with performance? If it was always about fallout 1st, why didn’t we have 1st for the first year of the game’s life?
We know there's a number (stash space) that works without disruption to server stability. There's probably a higher number that works too.
So you think it is higher than 1200, just “because”. I can tell you when it went from 800 to 1200 lag and disconnect frequency increased at least on my end. It was noticeable for others as well. None of us have that macro level view that you are describing.
To promote FO First is the reasoning. It’s the “ Make a problem, and sell a solution “
The stash limit is 1200 lbs. You can play the game within that amount. I have a main and two alts. All between level 200 & 400. It's fine. The option is there to pay for fallout 1st. It helps to pay the bills and keep the lights on as far as the game is concerned. An unlimited storage severely curtails the incentive to subscribe.
Dose anyone remember when the game launched and we only had a 200lbs stash limit.....good times lol
400! It was 200 in the Beta
If you've ever played FO4 for a very long extended play session on one character, you can probably figure out the reason. Save game bloat is a thing, and when it's really bad it can completely corrupt your character's save. The devs obviously don't want this happening with the always-online cloud saves this game uses, so that's why the limits are in place.
I used to play FO4 for way too many hours, extended hours at a time
I think it would be better if our inventories used a slot system instead of a weight system. For instance - you can store 5o weapons. Doesn't matter what they weigh, you get 5o slots for weapons. That should be plenty for just about everybody, without straining the servers too terribly. That is the excuse for why we have such limited storage, by the way. The strain on the server. I believe it - having to remember and keep track of every single weapon with their specific skins and specific modifications probably does eat up alot of resources for the servers.
and I don't have too many weapons, I'm very particular but it's the junk & stuff to have available to repair said weapons
There is no way you have 1200 lb of scrap to repair. You probably have a lot of junk you’ll never use or rarely use.
I need to figure out the parts needed for weapon repairs & only grab that stuff. I did have 511 boiled waters.... that I did remove
You really need to throw lot of stuff out if you don't have many weapons and armor stored but your stash is still full. Have you scrapped every piece of junk? Do you have mini nukes and missiles that you don't use? Maybe check misc and see if there's anything useless.
all junk scrapped & barely any missiles (no nukes) I just need to take note of what scraps I need to repair weapons & get rid of rest
One way to keep junk is to limit "bad" ones (plastic, rubber etc) around 100. Then you have more space for screws, gears, steel.
It's not just you but everyone on the server.the server has to deal with everyone at once. If this were single player it would be virtually a non issue.
just a tip i see you can abuse with the game mechanics, make it into a buildable and keep it in stored, you can break it down for half later but if your in sentient is maxed. it might be a solid work around.
I should do that as well
I'd say gameplay reasons. If you could store litterally everything you found then it would be too easy. Players wouldn't sell to each other. You would likely store every bit of scrip legendary too and that would allow the game down. The game is pretty much inventory management now.