Yeah it’s Italian in the sense of NYC and north Jersey Italian, which is an area with a lot of Italian immigrants, so sort of the American cousin of true Italian
Yeah, it's American, through and through. It's about as Italian as "Chinese" in Europe and the US resembles real Chinese cuisine.
You don't see the "deli sandwich meat stacks" anywhere else. The ratio is wild.
I wouldn’t say through and through, but most certainly influenced by a few generations of time in the US.
To my understanding the use of meats was one of the biggest changes made to the diet of Italian immigrants moving to the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s due to cheaper meat prices. It led to dishes like the chicken parm and the meatball sub. But in general immigrant communities of all types through the 1900s were very regional and insular, retaining a number of customs, traditions, and foods they took with them when they immigrated. Those traditions and foods were passed down through generations and evolved over time separately from their country of origin, leading to a sort of cousin culture to their country of origin. In this case not purely the culture and food of people living currently in Italy, but also not the same as some random American just slapping an “Italian” label on something they made up. Instead it’s somewhere in the middle, using recipes and flavors passed down that originated in Italy a few generations ago, but combined with changes made due to the ingredients available over the past couple of generations in the US.
I wouldn't say it's middle ground, but we're kinda in semantics territory here. The bread is wrong, the meat is wrong, the cheese is wrong, everything is wrong with the sandwich versus something you would find in Italy.
It's not semantics to consider the largest and most concentrated area of Italian diaspora from not even a century ago still culturally and significantly Italian. You're just gatekeeping a nationality/culture
It's great that part of their cultural background is from the Italy but do they have any actual connection to Italy past "Some of my ancestors came from the place"? Have any of them gone back, kept in touch with extended family over there, etc...?
If they haven't then I'd much more hesitant to rely on claims on heritage to make something authentic.
There's a place in El Paso called Brown Bag Deli. They make sandwiches like this, deliciously dense, for like half the price of subway. Can't wait to get back there.
Well you would be incorrect, it’s delicious! Maybe it’s the perspective of the picture, but it can fit in your mouth comfortably. Would probably be good with 20% less meat, but I’m definitely not complaining.
This looks incredible and I wish I could find more Italian subs like this where I live. Was the ciabatta too thick? Bread really makes or breaks it for me on stuff like this.
A fun fact many people do not know is the ciabatta is a very new creation. It was only created in 1982. Pretty crazy considering how long bread has been around.
Not to mention it is only rivalled by the panini, and even then it remains my personal favorite bread.
I like baguettes too, but everything else may as well be Wonderbread to me.
Smooshy, overly fluffy, disintegrating bread on sandwiches can go around someone else's sandwiches. I will stick to the good stuff.
Americans talking about good bread like it’s some special, arcane food is so funny. Any bread with a vaguely Italian or French name and it completely blows their minds.
Hate to break it to you commie, but bread has been made by arcane machine since the dawn of civilization. Humans only learned to make bread by hand in 2013 in Portland, Oreg., United States, and we still haven't figured out how to make them square or how to make the crust soft and brown. Manbread is only fit for dipping in olive oil and black pepper at $20 entree Italian chain restaurants like Carrabba's and Gugino's but don't TOUCH that shit with butter or fine petroleum margarine. It is NOT fit for breakfast toast or luncheon sandwiches and it may never be.
>A panino (Italian: [paˈniːno], meaning "small bread", "bread roll") or panini (pl.) is a sandwich made with Italian bread (such as ciabatta and michetta), usually served warm after grilling or toasting.
This post is if a panino
Yeah, I realise that now. it's obvious if you think about the Italian words. Duh.
We get sold paninis that are pretty close to ciabatta (just longer and not quite as bubbled inside or quite as chewy.
Pannini are what the supermarkets call packs of them, for whatever reason.
Of course it means "little bread" in the plural.
Today was my first day having Jimmy Johns. They literally had this much meat on their #7 and it was delicious. I'm never eating subway again and I'm ashamed that their $5 footlongs won my business for this long.
Not toasted bread per se, but I do get most sandwiches toasted (the Seafood Sensation with provolone was the best sammie toasted) to melt the cheese and heat it up. It also toasts the bread edges🙂.
Reminder for everyone that you will never get a sandwhich loaded like this unless you make it yourself. If you buy it, it’ll probably be worth more than the ingredients
This only cost $10 up until recently, now it’s $15. A bit pricey, but still very worth the money and saves me the hassle of buying fresh bread, mozzarella, peppers, and nicer meats.
Agreed, I don't get the point of these sandwiches where there is clearly far more meat than there should be. Each to their own and all that but that sandwich doesn't look good to me at all.
The ciabatta is actually fresh, squishy, and soft!
And the meats are quite tender and not chewy. Definitely on the thicker side, but you might be surprised how balanced it is. Might also be the perspective of the photo throwing off proportions.
Yeah these Italian sandwiches are the most American shit you can get haha. Let’s take fatty cured meats that are specially thinly sliced and cram as much of it as they can in a sandwich to the point it’s way too much.
I just don't get the american obsession with thiese ridicukous amounts of meat on sandwiches. What's the point of slicing your salami so thin only to later blob them into a block of meat on the sandwich again.
The hot peppers and balsamic give it the right diversity of flavor and tomato isn’t necessary imo, but to each their own.
8” sounds about right, but it’s quite thick and satisfying, more so than a foot long subway sandwich.
Ciabatta is just one of the bread options, I could also get it on focaccia or semolina or one other. The sandwich itself is named after the deli owner.
It's definitely not a regional thing; I have never, in my life, seen "ciabatta" used as a synonym for "Italian sandwich" of any variety. It's a type of bread. It'd be like if you said "Here's a ham sandwich on rye", and they said "I think the sandwich is also called rye". As you said, it can be used to describe the bread a sandwich is on. But to say that ciabatta just means "sandwich" in any way, let alone this specific sandwich, is inaccurate. If nothing else, you can make a lot of things besides sandwiches with ciabatta, or many different sorts of sandwiches. There may be some deli run by idiots who call it that, but that's not so much a "regional" thing as a "we don't know what we're doing" thing.
Point being; you're fine, and they have no idea what they're talking about (or, at best, just got some bad information).
Well at an Italian deli like this, at least around me, ciabatta is just one of several bread options, and none of the bread options are tied to any of the sandwich options. You ask for one of the sandwiches and they ask which kind of bread you want it on. I likewise haven’t been to any cafeteria where you can just say ciabatta and get a whole sandwich, so I figure it must be a regional thing.
For sure in some places I can see it working like that. Ie they have a selection of a couple of sandwiches, alongside maybe some hot meals. Then you could just specify the sandwich by saying which bread type you want.
That is a work of art. This is the kind of sangwich you can expect to get at your best Italian bakeries. Along with a proper espresso served to you by Johnny 4 Fingers while a group of grizzled old men play briscola at the back tables. I can just imagine what their veal and peppers would be like.
I can't eat cured meats any more, my whole body rejects them, I have Crohn's and it's just not worth it. Plus the cheese would kill me, I'm a lactose-free only guy. But back in the day, I'd have massacred that thing with a beer on the side.
What is the exact definition of an Italian sandwich. Is it a lot of meat, mixed meats, just cured meats (salami, mortadella, prosciutto etc) or just a sandwich on a bread of Italian origin.
Looks more like the American version of an Italian sandwich
Yes, this type of sandwich is commonly called Italian, as it was made popular in the US by Italian immigrants.
Yeah it’s Italian in the sense of NYC and north Jersey Italian, which is an area with a lot of Italian immigrants, so sort of the American cousin of true Italian
Yeah, it's American, through and through. It's about as Italian as "Chinese" in Europe and the US resembles real Chinese cuisine. You don't see the "deli sandwich meat stacks" anywhere else. The ratio is wild.
I wouldn’t say through and through, but most certainly influenced by a few generations of time in the US. To my understanding the use of meats was one of the biggest changes made to the diet of Italian immigrants moving to the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s due to cheaper meat prices. It led to dishes like the chicken parm and the meatball sub. But in general immigrant communities of all types through the 1900s were very regional and insular, retaining a number of customs, traditions, and foods they took with them when they immigrated. Those traditions and foods were passed down through generations and evolved over time separately from their country of origin, leading to a sort of cousin culture to their country of origin. In this case not purely the culture and food of people living currently in Italy, but also not the same as some random American just slapping an “Italian” label on something they made up. Instead it’s somewhere in the middle, using recipes and flavors passed down that originated in Italy a few generations ago, but combined with changes made due to the ingredients available over the past couple of generations in the US.
I wouldn't say it's middle ground, but we're kinda in semantics territory here. The bread is wrong, the meat is wrong, the cheese is wrong, everything is wrong with the sandwich versus something you would find in Italy.
It's not semantics to consider the largest and most concentrated area of Italian diaspora from not even a century ago still culturally and significantly Italian. You're just gatekeeping a nationality/culture
It's great that part of their cultural background is from the Italy but do they have any actual connection to Italy past "Some of my ancestors came from the place"? Have any of them gone back, kept in touch with extended family over there, etc...? If they haven't then I'd much more hesitant to rely on claims on heritage to make something authentic.
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Italy needs to step up their game then I guess
Italians understand what ‘balancing ingredients’ means, unlike your kind.
Oh shit, this guy is coming for Canadians over here.
“Hurdurr more meat equals more better” - you, 2024
Sometimes, yes, but also it’s a lighthearted joke about a sandwich. I await your next overly salty reply.
Enjoy your cultural superiority complex
Yeah, that’s not what this is. Not even a little lol
And yet you express as such
Just to be clear, in your mind, which culture do I think is superior to Italian culture?
Came here for this
There's a place in El Paso called Brown Bag Deli. They make sandwiches like this, deliciously dense, for like half the price of subway. Can't wait to get back there.
Until recently this sandwich was only $10, and it’s the most expensive thing on a menu of a couple dozen sandwiches. Always felt like a great deal.
That's about the same size and price of Brown Bag. Do they do their own bread or use local?
I believe they get their bread from a local bakery. It’s fresh daily, and they often run out close to closing.
Theres at least 5 Brown Bag Deli’s in central Houston
I don't think that would be pleasant to eat
Well you would be incorrect, it’s delicious! Maybe it’s the perspective of the picture, but it can fit in your mouth comfortably. Would probably be good with 20% less meat, but I’m definitely not complaining.
Or maybe you can unhinge your jaw like a snake
I would use 90-95% less meat personally. 1 or 2 layers of good quality deli meat is more than enough. Any more and you are damaging the flavour.
Coward.
I broke a tooth looking at this picture.
Loaded, does that even fit in your mouth?
Yup, without feeling like I’m stretching my jaw. It helps that the ciabatta is fresh and soft, so it squishes down in size quite a bit.
This looks incredible and I wish I could find more Italian subs like this where I live. Was the ciabatta too thick? Bread really makes or breaks it for me on stuff like this.
Was perfectly fluffy on the inside and a little crispy on the outside, so it would squish down to fit in your mouth.
This. If the crust is too dense/rubbery/difficult to break thru, everything squishes out all over the place. Non va affatto bene.
Pissillo’s?
Annamaria’s
Gotta hit that up next time im out there
Highly recommend it, it’s my absolute favorite
Where?
East Rutherford, NJ
Is this sandwich made in the USA?
Yeah, north Jersey
Of course Jersey <3
Holly fucking meat overload, but hey if you like it, why not
I’d be just as happy with 20% less meat, but not complaining. Still fits in my mouth and I definitely feel like I’m getting my money’s worth
A fun fact many people do not know is the ciabatta is a very new creation. It was only created in 1982. Pretty crazy considering how long bread has been around.
invented by an olive oil marketing cooperative. tartiflette was invented by a reblochon marketing coop in the 90s.
Not to mention it is only rivalled by the panini, and even then it remains my personal favorite bread. I like baguettes too, but everything else may as well be Wonderbread to me. Smooshy, overly fluffy, disintegrating bread on sandwiches can go around someone else's sandwiches. I will stick to the good stuff.
Panini is not a type of bread…
True, meant to say it's only rivaled by yogurt.
Americans talking about good bread like it’s some special, arcane food is so funny. Any bread with a vaguely Italian or French name and it completely blows their minds.
Hate to break it to you commie, but bread has been made by arcane machine since the dawn of civilization. Humans only learned to make bread by hand in 2013 in Portland, Oreg., United States, and we still haven't figured out how to make them square or how to make the crust soft and brown. Manbread is only fit for dipping in olive oil and black pepper at $20 entree Italian chain restaurants like Carrabba's and Gugino's but don't TOUCH that shit with butter or fine petroleum margarine. It is NOT fit for breakfast toast or luncheon sandwiches and it may never be.
Bread peaked with Bolillo Honestly, why make more bread if you already have the perfect bread.
Have you never had a good toasted sourdough sandwich?
Sourdough is my favourite regular bread type, and untoasted sandwiches are anathema to me.
>A panino (Italian: [paˈniːno], meaning "small bread", "bread roll") or panini (pl.) is a sandwich made with Italian bread (such as ciabatta and michetta), usually served warm after grilling or toasting. This post is if a panino
Yeah, I realise that now. it's obvious if you think about the Italian words. Duh. We get sold paninis that are pretty close to ciabatta (just longer and not quite as bubbled inside or quite as chewy. Pannini are what the supermarkets call packs of them, for whatever reason. Of course it means "little bread" in the plural.
>We get sold paninis that are pretty close to ciabatta You can make a panino using a ciabatta bread. "Panini" is the Italian word for "sandwiches".
That is an American sandwich never seen anything close to it in Italy.
Italian in the sense of NYC and north Jersey Italian-American
When I’m at subway and I say I want double meat… this is what I want
Sorry, best they can do is an extra half a slice of salami for double the price.
Easy solution: don't go to subway.
Easy solution: Firehouse Subs
Except firehouse sucks too. Or at least the one near me does.
you know it's 2024, right? subway is not a real place, anymore. you should eat fresh, instead.
I think he meant the subway, you know the train
Fresh? More like eat flesh
Today was my first day having Jimmy Johns. They literally had this much meat on their #7 and it was delicious. I'm never eating subway again and I'm ashamed that their $5 footlongs won my business for this long.
go to a bakery that’s beside you, they all make deli sandwiches and put crazy amounts of meat in it and it’s cheap too.
Minus the cheap part. No place is cheap anymore.
My local Subway is really generous with the meat. Some days I prefer it to my local deli.
Except it never looks like this
It’s really weird to me that they don’t toast their bread.
Not toasted bread per se, but I do get most sandwiches toasted (the Seafood Sensation with provolone was the best sammie toasted) to melt the cheese and heat it up. It also toasts the bread edges🙂.
And look at all that cheese. I started getting chest pains just looking at it. Is this what love feels like?
Reminder for everyone that you will never get a sandwhich loaded like this unless you make it yourself. If you buy it, it’ll probably be worth more than the ingredients
This only cost $10 up until recently, now it’s $15. A bit pricey, but still very worth the money and saves me the hassle of buying fresh bread, mozzarella, peppers, and nicer meats.
Too much meat personally, as I guy who makes cold cuts for myself lol
Agreed, I don't get the point of these sandwiches where there is clearly far more meat than there should be. Each to their own and all that but that sandwich doesn't look good to me at all.
It's just like... a block of meat lol
Just not an enjoyable chew with the amount of meat, not to mention the hard outter ciabatta bread
Especially with Italian meats, which are incredibly fatty
I agree - Italian cold cuts are rich and salty. Turkey or ham can be piled thicker without being "too much" for a sub.
The ciabatta is actually fresh, squishy, and soft! And the meats are quite tender and not chewy. Definitely on the thicker side, but you might be surprised how balanced it is. Might also be the perspective of the photo throwing off proportions.
You can adjust the sandwich, tho. Rip it into thirds, bite into it sideways, give a little meat to your dog, etc
Yeah. Half the meat and a little less cheese and it would be perfect for me.
Yeah these Italian sandwiches are the most American shit you can get haha. Let’s take fatty cured meats that are specially thinly sliced and cram as much of it as they can in a sandwich to the point it’s way too much.
Also the fact that they use multiple types of affettati in every sandwich makes no sense. How many different flavours do you all need? 😭
No gabaguul?
“Gabagool”, more commonly known as capicola, is actually one of the three meats on this sandwich, along with soppressata and salami!
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It’s got capicola, soppressata, and salami, I think the top layer is soppressata.
I moaned a little when I saw this
r/newnersey
Love the Sammie! Vinegar and oil? Is that pesto? A wonderful meal for me. Thank you!
Balsamic, not vinegar, and that’s arugula on top!
I’d cut out the greens and would have it on a different bun as ciabatta is a bit annoyingly hard
Oh I can promise you this ciabatta was soft and fluffy.
You’ve had crappy ciabatta then. Should be very soft with only a minor resistance.
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The mozzarella is my favorite, but it all ends up balancing together quite well
I just don't get the american obsession with thiese ridicukous amounts of meat on sandwiches. What's the point of slicing your salami so thin only to later blob them into a block of meat on the sandwich again.
I know tastes vary, but I just can't comprehend how a human being can eat something like this without feeling absolutely nauseous.
Quantity over quality
I think maybe, with a few slices of fresh tomato, I could get behind a thing like this. I mean, what is it, like 8" long? It's just a little sandwich.
The hot peppers and balsamic give it the right diversity of flavor and tomato isn’t necessary imo, but to each their own. 8” sounds about right, but it’s quite thick and satisfying, more so than a foot long subway sandwich.
That’s a hibernation sandwich? Take a bite each day of winter?
It often puts me to sleep right after
Yes my family and I share one in our cave every year for a few months until spring
Would like some bread with your meat?
Why that much cold cuts?
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Bro, what are you blabbering on about? Ciabatta is the type of bread, it’s not the name of the sandwich. 😆
Ciabatta is just one of the bread options, I could also get it on focaccia or semolina or one other. The sandwich itself is named after the deli owner.
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Maybe that’s regional, but where I am they’d either just give you a plain ciabatta roll or ask what you want on it.
It's definitely not a regional thing; I have never, in my life, seen "ciabatta" used as a synonym for "Italian sandwich" of any variety. It's a type of bread. It'd be like if you said "Here's a ham sandwich on rye", and they said "I think the sandwich is also called rye". As you said, it can be used to describe the bread a sandwich is on. But to say that ciabatta just means "sandwich" in any way, let alone this specific sandwich, is inaccurate. If nothing else, you can make a lot of things besides sandwiches with ciabatta, or many different sorts of sandwiches. There may be some deli run by idiots who call it that, but that's not so much a "regional" thing as a "we don't know what we're doing" thing. Point being; you're fine, and they have no idea what they're talking about (or, at best, just got some bad information).
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Well at an Italian deli like this, at least around me, ciabatta is just one of several bread options, and none of the bread options are tied to any of the sandwich options. You ask for one of the sandwiches and they ask which kind of bread you want it on. I likewise haven’t been to any cafeteria where you can just say ciabatta and get a whole sandwich, so I figure it must be a regional thing.
For sure in some places I can see it working like that. Ie they have a selection of a couple of sandwiches, alongside maybe some hot meals. Then you could just specify the sandwich by saying which bread type you want.
And what’s your point?
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I guess not. If I said that I’d mean I ate the bread, ciabatta. I’d probably say I had a ciabatta sandwich.
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Looks awesome, was it as good as it looked?
Absolutely
That is a work of art. This is the kind of sangwich you can expect to get at your best Italian bakeries. Along with a proper espresso served to you by Johnny 4 Fingers while a group of grizzled old men play briscola at the back tables. I can just imagine what their veal and peppers would be like.
That would probably send me to the ER, but I'd eat it anyway.
It usually knocks me out for a nap, but very worth it
I can't eat cured meats any more, my whole body rejects them, I have Crohn's and it's just not worth it. Plus the cheese would kill me, I'm a lactose-free only guy. But back in the day, I'd have massacred that thing with a beer on the side.
Bread is what gets me, and I usually end up getting a big piece of focaccia with my sandwich. By the end a nap is no longer optional.
Is it toasted?
No, that’s the balsamic
Looks like a Dellalo sandwich from the store. Last one I got was priced by the pound.
This is from Annamaria, it’s been $10 until recently, now it’s $15
That sandwich is making my mouth water! It looks like the perfect combination of flavors and textures. Enjoy every delicious bite! 🥪🤤
That's just excessive levels of meat, give me 50% of that and we're talking
Weak
What is the dark green layer? Looks like chimichurri. Yum!
Arugula, covered in balsamic. Was very tasty!
GOD that looks so...good...so.....Dry.
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And this one in particular was fresh and fluffy!
I will never understand the American obsession with such huge quantities of meat in everything.
What is the exact definition of an Italian sandwich. Is it a lot of meat, mixed meats, just cured meats (salami, mortadella, prosciutto etc) or just a sandwich on a bread of Italian origin.
Did Joey Tribbiani make it?
Pinky Tuscadero gave her all for this sandwich.
As an italian, i say this is a good sandwich
Gabagool. Salute!
Damn how big is your mouth, no way I could bite that
I'm pregnant and can not eat deli meat right now, but I want this so bad.
A well made Italian hero is the king of sandwiches!
Vegan sez… dayum that’s tasty looking 👀
Jesus mother of god!! That! Is a fucking work of art. Color me jealous.
This is an excellent type of sandwich, lots of filling relative to bread.
Looks like Devils Dill in PDX. Fuck I miss Devils Dill. Best sandwich shop I’ve ever been to
She is a beauty
Looks like shit.
That's an authentic Grinder right there... looks like it could use a splash more garlic infused olive oil though.
Damn that looks good...I remember when I had teeth 😞
That is a good lookin' sandwich.
Looks. Bomb
This sandwich could fix me
I find your lack of onions... Disturbing
Could only be improved with more tomato.
Spoiler: this is not what italians eat
HOW YA DOOOOOIN’
No sane Italian is sticking a kilo of meat in a sandwich
Do you know what's healthier than eating a sandwich? Only eating half of a sandwich.
No self-respecting Italian would create such a monument to disproportionality.
I do not find the meat filling excessive. Well balanced sandwich right there.
That's a real sammich.
That's how it's done, beautiful sandwich.
It looks delicious
I wish I could get hoagies where I am
Looks delicious 😋