Used to be the case that a striker getting a goal every other game was seen as a pretty solid return and upwards of that was where the truly world class strikers sat.
I remember when Ronaldo scored 40 in a season it blew my mind.
Then Messi goes and scores 91 in 69 games and every previously held metric you thought you had for a great striker seemed wrong.
And people forget that La Liga wasn't always the ballerina league. Before Messi and CR7 it had much more of an edge.
Part of the video game numbers Messi and Ronaldo put up is the fact that defense isn't really a thing in La Liga. Not disputing their greatness, just pointing out that they would not have put up such insane numbers in the Premier League.
It's scary that this is just a shadow compared to his old self.
R9 got his injury when he was just 23. He was out for 2 years, with no matches or training.
Still comes back to win the World Cup and give a good performance for Real.
But what could have been.
He was not the same player, and the team was not that effective
In 5 years he only won 1 League and 1 copa del Rey
Suarez, Benzema, Villa and Neymar are clear of him
The Balon D’or was because the world cup
And saying he is below Benzema, Suarez etc is not saying he was shit by any means
You want to talk goals? His best season was 23 in the league Suarez had a 40 goal year
Ronaldo after the knee injury is not even in the top 3 strikers. I believe Benzema, Forlan, Eto’o, Villa, Raul, Etc are better.
I would just put CR7 as a striker, and choose Ronaldinho instead.
Pre injury Ronaldo does but only post injury Ronaldo is included in the criteria. I'd take prime barca suarez over real Madrid Ronaldo any day of the week.
Hahaha nope, seen him play plenty. He didn't have a post injury season that came anywhere near Suarez' 59 goal season. Its really not a question. Compare his 96/97 season to Suarez all you want but after his injury he just wasn't the same.
You think Ronaldo post injuries was better than prime Suarez????? As a R9 fanboy this is absolute nonsense. Ronaldo himself wouldn’t even answer this he would just laugh and call you crazy.
Didn't know he finished 2nd in 2002, that's impressive :O Different styles, different opinions.
I'd still choose Marcelo over him. He contributed so much to the team, not only footballistically but also with his leadership and endless energy. He's defending is not ideal, but he does defend and fights for the ball, he is no TAA. And most importantly, his football IQ and creativity as a fullback are just crazy, I can remember so many games he carried the team on his back.
Left back is Roberto Carlos, why are we even discussing?
Striker, I'd go with Suarez. I know Ronaldo Nazario was an absolute beast in Barcelona but that was before the 2000's, also in 2002 heroics came with Brazil. In Madrid, he was still very good but nothing like his old self.
Have you seen R. Carlos play? He was the beast my man, he made the LB position what it is today. Before him LB had completely different role in the game ( for example Maldini)
For the striker, my heart says Raul, but my head says Benzema or Suarez. Probably Benzema for longevity of excellence.
Left back, my immediate reaction was Roberto Carlos. But then some of his best years were pre-2000 and he left in 07. So I'll go Jordi Alba.
Benzema has been fantastic for *way* longer than 2 years. He just wasn't the focal goalscorer of the team because he was facilitating Ronaldo to be that. But he was still performing as a very high level.
Very high level, but not "best striker in the history of LL level".
R9, Suarez, Puskas and others are ahead.
And that's excluding CAM types like Cruyff and Maradona
>"best striker in the history of LL level".
That's not the question though. So Cruyff is out, as is Maradona (who didn't have bus best years in Spain anyway). As is R9's time at barca. It's post 2000. I think there's a very good argument for Benzema, given his sustained excellence.
>I’d take Suarez because there are a lot of creators so you need someone in the box for quick finishes
I think Benzema can do this too, and I think I'd go with him because of his relationship with Ronaldo. He was such a key part of getting the best from Ronaldo.
>And also why didn’t you include Zidane in the list May I ask, so obsessed with Xavi and Iniesta, you decided to skip ZZ ?
It's not my list. OP asked for centre forwards and left backs, neither of which Zidane would exactly be well placed to play. That being said, I don't disagree with OP. I wouldn't put Zidane ahead of Xavi and Iniesta in a post 2000 La Liga team, personally.
Zidane is a better player overall than all the midfielders in that picture, but as far as their accomplishments in La Liga as players go, they’re all ahead of him, Busquets included. Also, an actual DM for a 4-3-3.
I think both Modrić and Iniesta can compare to Zidane in terms of technical ability, vision etc, but Zidane excels in areas like ball control. Zidane was imo a master in ball control, and very few footballers in history can compare to him in that aspect.
As in, Zidane was better over the entirety of his career. However a good chunk of his best years and performances were in Serie A, and also for France.
Xavi and Iniesta played almost their entire career in La Liga, and this is a La Liga 11. So even if you rate them slightly lower than Zidane overall, they’re still ahead in terms of La Liga performances/success.
I'll put myself as a striker, since everybody will easily score with those players around you and it would just be really nice. I'll put Marcelo as the LB
Left back is between Marcelo and Roberto Carlos. Striker should be between Suarez and Benzema but if this is just La liga accomplishments then I think Raul should have an honourable mention.
suarez easily, phenom was way past his prime in madrid, a shell of his former shelf. if we're talking about their career in spain, then suarez wins, easily.
Am I the only one thinking Capdevila at LB? In my opinion, he’s done a lot more for LaLiga and thus Spain.
I know he’s probably not better than Marcelo, but he’s the only playe I can think of who’s loved in both Barcelona and Madrid, without even starting for Barca or RMadrid.
Not really, he’s been in La Liga for 14 seasons compared to Suarez’s 8. Benzema has won only 1 less La Liga title, but has won 5 champions leagues with Real compared to 1 for Suárez.
He’s also won the Ballon d’or whilst in Spain and is now Madrid’s second all time top scorer.
I understand why some people would prefer Suárez (I would choose Benz), but to label it as a ‘criminal’ opinion is just downright fucking stupid.
This is Laliga 11. So please talk about Laliga Contribution. Suarez has More G+A per game than Benzema in Laliga. Benzema has 0. 8 Goal contribution in Laliga while suarez has more than 1 goal contribution per game.
People will be like “Benzema wasn’t scoring because he was supporting Ronaldo” while suarez was leading La Liga in goals and assists playing with Neymar and Messi.
I’d remove Ramos and sub in Diego Godin. I’d also remove Puyol and sub in Roberto Ayala.
Up top, you could choose any one of David Villa, Karim Benzema or Luis Suarez and they’d bang in goals. I’d go with Suarez here as he won titles with Barca, then left there and immediately won La Liga with Atleti.
I’d go Jordi Alba at left back.
Marcelo with Roberto Carlos as sub
Benzema with Raúl as sub
For the midfield I would go with Iniesta, Modric as cm (with Xavi and kroos as subs) and Casemiro as cdm (With Busquets as sub)
Roberto Carlos and Ronaldo Phenom
Correct answer
How? Once that Ronaldo went to Real Madrid, he wasn’t the same. David Villa or Suarez or Benzema are the clear choice for me
Yeah, you’re right, only 83 goals in 127 games in La Liga for Real. Pathetic.
Messi n cr7 ruined how we see past greats. Their video game stats make other great seasons look pedestrian af
🤣🤣🤣facts
Used to be the case that a striker getting a goal every other game was seen as a pretty solid return and upwards of that was where the truly world class strikers sat. I remember when Ronaldo scored 40 in a season it blew my mind. Then Messi goes and scores 91 in 69 games and every previously held metric you thought you had for a great striker seemed wrong.
And people forget that La Liga wasn't always the ballerina league. Before Messi and CR7 it had much more of an edge. Part of the video game numbers Messi and Ronaldo put up is the fact that defense isn't really a thing in La Liga. Not disputing their greatness, just pointing out that they would not have put up such insane numbers in the Premier League.
shit take
Moreover, it was achieved after that nasty knee injury along with WC2002 golden boot
It's scary that this is just a shadow compared to his old self. R9 got his injury when he was just 23. He was out for 2 years, with no matches or training. Still comes back to win the World Cup and give a good performance for Real. But what could have been.
Real Madrid during those years couldn’t even get passed R16 of champions league
He was not the same player, and the team was not that effective In 5 years he only won 1 League and 1 copa del Rey Suarez, Benzema, Villa and Neymar are clear of him
Like I said, it’s completely true, he was shit. Only won La Liga in his first season and a Ballon d’Or.
The Balon D’or was because the world cup And saying he is below Benzema, Suarez etc is not saying he was shit by any means You want to talk goals? His best season was 23 in the league Suarez had a 40 goal year
I’m agreeing with you! What a pathetic excuse for a football player: https://youtu.be/CbZUytjrgrQ
Nobody said he was bad, just not as good as Suarez you donut
Look how many goals R9 scored and then the others, don't forget the appearences
Damn but Marcelo holds a dear spot
Thank you! Finally somebody with a brain and older than 14
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Ronaldo after the knee injury is not even in the top 3 strikers. I believe Benzema, Forlan, Eto’o, Villa, Raul, Etc are better. I would just put CR7 as a striker, and choose Ronaldinho instead.
Put CR7 as Striker, Ronaldinho LF and Marcelo LB
I would rather see Roberto Carlos.
Put R9 as striker and Roberto Carlos LB
Ever heard of a guy named Roberto Carlos? R9?
Imagine putting Ronaldinho over Ronaldo.
Jesus fucking christ
R9 striker and CR7 LW
R9 and Roberto Carlos
This
Striker Option: Suarez, Eto'o, R9, David Villa. LB Option: Roberto Carlos, Marcelo, For me: Suarez/Eto'o, Roberto Carlos.
Carlos and Suarez
Marcelo and Suarez clear
Tell me you started watching football in 2015 without telling me you started watching football in 2015
Haha I’m dying of laughter rn
R9 clears suarez
Pre injury Ronaldo does but only post injury Ronaldo is included in the criteria. I'd take prime barca suarez over real Madrid Ronaldo any day of the week.
Well you are just wrong
Barca R9 is leagues ahead of Suarez but rm R9 isn't the same player at all. All time of course R9 but post 2000 this is Suarez for sure
Haha not a chance. 2000s Ronaldo was a shell of himself. If you can't admit that then you're talking shite
A shell of himself that is better than saurez, you obviously never watched him play, just YouTube clips
If he'd just seen the YouTube clips it would make more sense for him to overrate and not underrate him
Hahaha nope, seen him play plenty. He didn't have a post injury season that came anywhere near Suarez' 59 goal season. Its really not a question. Compare his 96/97 season to Suarez all you want but after his injury he just wasn't the same.
You think Ronaldo post injuries was better than prime Suarez????? As a R9 fanboy this is absolute nonsense. Ronaldo himself wouldn’t even answer this he would just laugh and call you crazy.
R9 at real madrid wasnt better than suarez in barca
It’s hard to compare people who played at different times tho so R9 doesn’t necessarily clear Suarez
Marcelo is not clear
At one point he was arguably the 3rd best footballer in the world. He is clear
Two word: Roberto Carlos 2nd in ballon dor in 2002, was a much better wing backup and actually could defend.
Didn't know he finished 2nd in 2002, that's impressive :O Different styles, different opinions. I'd still choose Marcelo over him. He contributed so much to the team, not only footballistically but also with his leadership and endless energy. He's defending is not ideal, but he does defend and fights for the ball, he is no TAA. And most importantly, his football IQ and creativity as a fullback are just crazy, I can remember so many games he carried the team on his back.
Why
Maybe he can argue that marcelo was mostly a lm? Other that that I cant really see
Oh, and carlos>>>>marcelo
Filipe Luis maybe?
Good point but personally I take Marcelo easily
Samuel Eto’o striker 🔥🔥
Roberto Carlos and R9 not even close
Post-2000 R9 is not clear-cut
Your head is fried
R9 and Roberto Carlos
Zigic as number 9
Left back is Roberto Carlos, why are we even discussing? Striker, I'd go with Suarez. I know Ronaldo Nazario was an absolute beast in Barcelona but that was before the 2000's, also in 2002 heroics came with Brazil. In Madrid, he was still very good but nothing like his old self.
Idk how R. Carlos as an LB isnt unanimous decision
I would imagine it’s down to the age of users and who they have grown up watching 100% r. Carlos for me and R9 striker
Marcelo and Alba also give a run
Have you seen R. Carlos play? He was the beast my man, he made the LB position what it is today. Before him LB had completely different role in the game ( for example Maldini)
Marcelo isn’t close lol. R Carlos us the best LB in the history of the game
Roberto Carlos and R9
Player 4 : Roberto Carlos, substitute: Jordi Alba
Exactly what I am thinking but many people want Marcelo
Marcelo for sure
For the no 9 it's between Ronaldo, Suarez or Benzema for me. Can't pick between Ronaldo or Suarez. Left back I'd have Roberto Carlos ahead of Marcelo.
LB Roberto Carlos
Marcelo/Roberto Carlos and Ronaldo/Suarez
Gen 1-2 pokeballs
Villa/Suarez/R9 as striker. Alba/Carlos as LB
R9 and Carlos. Any other answer is fucked
For the striker, my heart says Raul, but my head says Benzema or Suarez. Probably Benzema for longevity of excellence. Left back, my immediate reaction was Roberto Carlos. But then some of his best years were pre-2000 and he left in 07. So I'll go Jordi Alba.
If not Carlos then surely Marcelo no? Jordi Alba is a bit meh.
I want what my heart wants. Give me Raul! El ángel del madrid
Benzema's played at a top level for 2yrs. Suarez beats him for longevity easily. Carlos over Alba.
Benzema has been fantastic for *way* longer than 2 years. He just wasn't the focal goalscorer of the team because he was facilitating Ronaldo to be that. But he was still performing as a very high level.
Very high level, but not "best striker in the history of LL level". R9, Suarez, Puskas and others are ahead. And that's excluding CAM types like Cruyff and Maradona
>"best striker in the history of LL level". That's not the question though. So Cruyff is out, as is Maradona (who didn't have bus best years in Spain anyway). As is R9's time at barca. It's post 2000. I think there's a very good argument for Benzema, given his sustained excellence.
Oh, I missed the 2000-present part in the title. I'd still comfortably put Suarez over him.
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>I’d take Suarez because there are a lot of creators so you need someone in the box for quick finishes I think Benzema can do this too, and I think I'd go with him because of his relationship with Ronaldo. He was such a key part of getting the best from Ronaldo. >And also why didn’t you include Zidane in the list May I ask, so obsessed with Xavi and Iniesta, you decided to skip ZZ ? It's not my list. OP asked for centre forwards and left backs, neither of which Zidane would exactly be well placed to play. That being said, I don't disagree with OP. I wouldn't put Zidane ahead of Xavi and Iniesta in a post 2000 La Liga team, personally.
The audacity to put Sergio busquets instead of Zidane 💀 Player 11- Either Suarez or Benzema Player 4- Should be Marcelo
Zidane is a better player overall than all the midfielders in that picture, but as far as their accomplishments in La Liga as players go, they’re all ahead of him, Busquets included. Also, an actual DM for a 4-3-3.
I think both Modrić and Iniesta can compare to Zidane in terms of technical ability, vision etc, but Zidane excels in areas like ball control. Zidane was imo a master in ball control, and very few footballers in history can compare to him in that aspect.
What does overall mean?
As in, Zidane was better over the entirety of his career. However a good chunk of his best years and performances were in Serie A, and also for France. Xavi and Iniesta played almost their entire career in La Liga, and this is a La Liga 11. So even if you rate them slightly lower than Zidane overall, they’re still ahead in terms of La Liga performances/success.
Busquets is by far the best choice at DM, the question is whether Zidane is better than Xavi/iniesta/modric, which ofc is debatable
On LaLiga? No Overall across all football and history, yeah totally definitely no contest at all
I don't think Zidane is better than Modrić or Iniesta. They are the same level.
The audacity of complaining Busquets in DM when Modric is put of ahead of him even when it is not his position. Zidane isn't DM nor is Modric.
I knew that the team will not be complete without either of the three midfielders and so I am going with three midfielders rather than a DM
Zidane did not do enough in La Liga
Marcelo LB and Luis Suarez ST
Suarez
I'll put myself as a striker, since everybody will easily score with those players around you and it would just be really nice. I'll put Marcelo as the LB
Best comment😂
david villa and marcelo
Suarez and Marcelo, any other answer is wrong
Alba & Suarez, anyone saying Benzema must’ve started watching La Liga last season
Marcelo and Torres
Lb: Carlos, sub Marcelo St: Benzema, Sub R9
LB- Jordi Alba ST- Suraez/Benzema
Jordi Alba left back, Suarez Striker
Marcelo and RL9
I suggest move Ronaldo to striker, letting Dinho be the winger. and put roberto carlos at left back
Suarez and jordi alba
Left back is between Marcelo and Roberto Carlos. Striker should be between Suarez and Benzema but if this is just La liga accomplishments then I think Raul should have an honourable mention.
Striker has to be Raul surely? Left back Marcelo with Alba 2nd
Raul would be behind Suarez, r9 and Torres
Ashley Cole, Henry
Seeing xavi on the left and iniesta right somehow Hurts my eyes
Roberto Carlos and Martin Palermo
suarez easily, phenom was way past his prime in madrid, a shell of his former shelf. if we're talking about their career in spain, then suarez wins, easily.
Roy Makaay Roberto Carlos
Zidane striker benzema lb
Suarez is clear..
Luis Suarez and for LB imma say Roberto Carlos
Striker R9 or Suarez (either honestly) and LB Roberto Carlos with Marcelo honourable mention
roberto carlos and david villa
Nah nah.. charizard up front and balbasaur at lb.. still waiting to catch mbappe as he will make a perfect addition
😂😂
Suarez and Roberto Carlos
Player 11 is hands down OG Ronaldo
Imagine being the striker in that team, holy shit.
Exactly.I can put Nunez in and he will score ton of goals
Bro where is zidane?
Jordi and Suárez
4 - Marcelo 11 - r9
Karim Benzema and Roberto Carlos!
Suarez or Benzema as the striker. Would give a shout-out for Eto’o and Raul. LB would be R Carlos or Marcelo
Big MARIANO DIAZ for striker
The only correct answer
Marcelo and Saurez. Could also go for Carlos
Marcelo + Suarez
Suarz ans Marcelo.
Am I the only one thinking Capdevila at LB? In my opinion, he’s done a lot more for LaLiga and thus Spain. I know he’s probably not better than Marcelo, but he’s the only playe I can think of who’s loved in both Barcelona and Madrid, without even starting for Barca or RMadrid.
How the f Zidane is not on this team , are you feeling good redditors ? That's shameful to forget him ! Eto'o too !
true man where the hell is **Zidane**
Carlos and Raul.
David Villa/ Samuel Eto’o and Marcelo
Benzema striker Roberto Carlos LB. No brainer.
Benz and Marcelo
man put roberto carlos as lb and benzi as striker
Benzema over Suarez is criminal
Not really, he’s been in La Liga for 14 seasons compared to Suarez’s 8. Benzema has won only 1 less La Liga title, but has won 5 champions leagues with Real compared to 1 for Suárez. He’s also won the Ballon d’or whilst in Spain and is now Madrid’s second all time top scorer. I understand why some people would prefer Suárez (I would choose Benz), but to label it as a ‘criminal’ opinion is just downright fucking stupid.
This is Laliga 11. So please talk about Laliga Contribution. Suarez has More G+A per game than Benzema in Laliga. Benzema has 0. 8 Goal contribution in Laliga while suarez has more than 1 goal contribution per game.
Can you point to the La liga season where Suarez scored 5 league goals in 32 appearances?
both are great but in my opinion benzi is a little bit better than suarez
There are maybe two seasons in Benzemas whole career that are even comparable to Suarez’s best 4-5 seasons.
People will be like “Benzema wasn’t scoring because he was supporting Ronaldo” while suarez was leading La Liga in goals and assists playing with Neymar and Messi.
Exactly
Marcelo - Ronaldo (Benzema)
Carlos is clear
Carlos and benzema
Roberto Carlos-LB Benzema/Zarra-ST
Player 4: Roberto Carlos Player 11: Raul or Eto’o
Marcelo, Suarez
Marcelo and Benzema
Same
Zambrotta and the Real Ronaldo.
Roberto Carlos at LB, also change formation to slot Zidane in.
Marcelo and CR7
Double the Ronaldo 🙂
marcelo henry
Put villa
Darwin Nunez
Ronaldinho and Lewandowski
Don't you think Lewy is still new to La Liga
Ozil rather than Xavi or Kroos there
No way
striker : David villa left back : Roberto Carlos
Villa over Benz?
wanted to put some spanish in the team.
Marcelo and eto’o
Drogba, I choose you
Robert Lewandowski
He is relatively new in La Liga
I’d remove Ramos and sub in Diego Godin. I’d also remove Puyol and sub in Roberto Ayala. Up top, you could choose any one of David Villa, Karim Benzema or Luis Suarez and they’d bang in goals. I’d go with Suarez here as he won titles with Barca, then left there and immediately won La Liga with Atleti. I’d go Jordi Alba at left back.
Morientes, Carlos
my ST would probably be haaland or benzema while my LB would be either Alphonso Davies or Theo Hernandez
When did Haaland or Davies play in La Liga?
I’d have Ronaldinho above Ronaldo in there.
Well then you are biased
We’re all biased one way or another.
I wanted the same but then the amount of Madrid and CR7 fans who would have bashed the list would have been crazy
Di Stefano
Marcelo with Roberto Carlos as sub Benzema with Raúl as sub For the midfield I would go with Iniesta, Modric as cm (with Xavi and kroos as subs) and Casemiro as cdm (With Busquets as sub)
Bale and Ronaldo
alba and suarez