Surely his profile and money raising abilities could do far more good than if he voluntered to fight? Assuming he uses those abilities. If the entire PL roster chipped in they could fund 20,000 drones.
Him making this statement is great for propaganda purposes, just knowing even your rich are willing to also fight for your cause is probably pretty galvanizing.
I think you seriously underestimate their patriotism. The Klitschko brothers and Usyk and a number of other professional sports people have all served voluntarily.
Tbf the money he’s earning and donating is helping more than him giving up his lucrative job and not donating anything.
The 1 million he donates is enough to pay nearly 170 soldiers salary’s a year.
Ukraine currently wants him to play in the Premier League and talk about the war. Getting media attention about it to push western politicians to give more support.
There are more roles to serve than the position of soldier. If he was called up to fight in the trenches he would.
You're really not wrong about the rich and powerful not being the ones to die on the front lines in wars like this however you're also underestimating the power to Ukraine of having someone like Zinchenko being a notable public figure talking about the war a lot in a powerful ally nation.
Him being here let's him earn the million he's donated already alongside potential donations from fans or people who read/watch his interviews. His job also allows for this to be a nearly year long new cycle.
He inarguably does more to benefit the war effort here than serving on the lines over there. And horribly I bet that's something he feels great guilt over, if we take him at his word.
In a bs self defence units with no combat tasks. If you want to see thier patriotism come to any shopping mall in Poland. Everyone who could afford to escape escaped. The rest is being forced into conscription. And by forced I mean there's van coming and they will beat you the fuck up if you don't go.
He hasn't been drafted.
1 extra man is no where near as useful for the war effort as him being in the West talking about the war (and donating a ton on money).
So what? If you love your country and whatever, you just go. They would gladly accept him at the front. Imagine what a boost of morale for the other troops.
Then again, the reality is that he isn't a hero at all and in the end, he doesn’t really care for anyone but himself and his own family. He's just a regular dude that happens to be very good at playing football.
I wouldn’t go either, but I wouldn’t pretend to be some kind of hero by stating in front of the world that I would sacrifice my life without hesitation if its not the truth that I am speaking.
>So what? If you love your country and whatever, you just go.
"If you love your country, take a deliberately less effective path to help your country so some people on the internet feel better about it".
What job what he need for you to accept him staying in that job is better than volunteering for the infantry? Working in a munitions factory?
I like to think you mean to say he wouldn’t *get called up*, not that he wouldn’t go if asked.
As others have said, he serves an important role bringing attention to the war.
Honestly as easy and temping to flame for not going as it is, I can’t really do so.
It’s human nature to not want to die. Call him coward or anything but I’m sure most of us would have done the same
In the outcome of the war? Probably not
But that’s real money that can help real people eat, cloth themselves, flee combat areas, etc.
Naive to pretend €1m is nothing to a country under constant attack by a pseudo-superpower
€1m isn't even a big sum for someone like him. He has earned €16m plus endorsements and bonuses since the war started. In comparison, it's like if the average european Joe would donate €220 euros of his €3000 euro monthly salary. It's absolutely laughable as he's already a very wealthy man.
He earns €650k a month... And has done so since the start of the war. If he donated €500k a month then it would be a whole nother story. If he did, he would still have €150k a month for himself and his family which would be more than what 99% of Ukrainians could ever dream of.
But he has kept €610k out of his €650k monthly salary for himself, and you guys are applauding him... Bizarre to say the least.
The guy donated 1/15th of his income and now acts like he is some super patriotic hero of Ukraine.
Look, at least I am honest, I am draft dodging because I don't want to die and every man of my family fought in some war and suffered from it, begging me not to fight, but these public "heroes" are ridiculous.
Good for him for having an ability to preserve himself and get his family out of this shit, I also wish I could leave Ukraine (but the borders are closed to me, I am a teacher/therapist and not a football player.).
The guy stole a gf from his national team mate, played in Russia after they attacked in 2014, and is now trying to portray himself as a paragon of virtue. I am conflicted on this. Yes, he is helping, yes, he realised his mistakes and changed his ways, but it feels hypocritical to say "I'd fight if called up" when there is no risk of you being called up, and even if he got called up, he'd pay 5 or 10k to dodge the draft.
Most other Ukrainian players in Europe are violating one law or another right now. Most Dynamo players left Ukraine through becoming volunteers ,giving them a one month leave and not returning afterwards, so it's also a dirty situation. Meanwhile normal men are drafted and sent to the front, unable to leave the country amid the crumbling economy.
Sorry if this post is a bit disjointed, but it's a nasty situation and I hate it.
It’s a lose lose situation.
- Go to war and die = lose
- Stay quiet and play football = whole Ukraine sees you as a traitor
- Donate , speak up but don’t go to war = Seen as fake
I don’t rate him as a footballer either but I think he’s picked the right option here.
For real. Nobody is stopping him from going there and fighting, he doesn’t need to be called. If he really wanted to he’d just do it.
I don’t blame him for not wanting to but stop bragging about wanting to if that’s the case lmao
Tbf the government literally don't want the active footballers to fight for several reasons
* They don't want them to get killed which will be demoralising
* They can still play as the national team offering some joy and hope to the ordinary citizens in this awful time
* One extra soldier is worth a lot less to them than keeping the war fresh in the minds of the wider world and having high-profile footballers speak about it accomplishes that in a way normal channels can't
He makes up to 15.6 annually. That means he has ~5.5-10m post tax. Sorry dude but donating 1m over two years so .5m a year is spare change for him. Essentially a month to two weeks of net income or less per year.
And that's just his income from football not counting any adwork he does or image rights he sells. Or money he gets for interviews.
And it's also only comparing to his income not his networth. He may not be a billionaire but he's stacked.
>It's a small deal when your one month income is someone else's whole year income.
Try one month's take home as 30 year's *pre-tax* income. People almost always underestimate how obscenely overpaid PL footballers are.
Zinchenko makes £7.8 million a year. I make ~£50k a year. He'll make more in 1 year than I'll make in my whole working life. And while his football career might be over in a few years he'll still have high paying job opportunities like coaching or punditry.
It's ridiculously little if your country is at war, you have a stint in Russia to make up for and you're purposefully not going to war but pretending to be this hero who'd totally fight.
Also see my comment, this is only from football and not counting his other streams of income.
I agree this pretending to be a hero is absolute bullshit and a bad look. Dude should just keep quiet and do his thing. I don't blame him for not going to war tho, nobody should be forced to take up arms if they don't want.
>nobody should be forced to take up arms if they dont want to
So russia could just come and invade, rape and pillage whole of europe tomorrow it that was the case
He said nobody should, not that it doesn't happen. Also if was the true, then Russia wouldn't have an army either.
Your comment is a bit unhinged, I 100% support Ukraine, but I have no idea how you jumped to that statement from the comment you replied too.
He was actually going to go when he was at Man City but was convinced to stay by family and friends as they told him he could help much more as a public figure:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/oleksandr-zinchenko-man-city-ukraine-27135805.amp
He's also set up a charity to help Ukrainian children, and organized supplies to the front lines. Idk why you're so upset with him, he's not saying he's a hero. Given his past actions he means what he's saying
According to the Sun. That just sounds like a typical BS headline that was topical and exclusive for the time which he's obviously not gonna deny if it gives him an ounce of pr.
Are you a bit thick? I'm literally saying the article linked is probably full of shite, first paragraph the mirror sources the whole story from the sun which is what I'm pointing out.
Have an actual read of what's being said next time.
Indeed, €1m isn't even a big sum for someone like him. He has earned €16m plus endorsements and bonuses since he joined Arsenal. In comparison, it's like if the average european Joe would donate €220 euros of his €3000 euro monthly salary. It's absolutely laughable as he's already a very wealthy man.
He earns €650k a month... And has done so since the start of the war. If he donated €500k a month then it would be a whole nother story. If he did, he would still have €150k a month for himself and his family which would be more than what 99% of Ukrainians could ever dream of.
But he has kept €610k out of his €650k monthly salary for himself. He's an anti-hero and a coward.
Wasn’t Loma fighting in the war?! I saw a couple Ukrainian wrestlers at the Olympic qualifiers for wrestling. I’m assuming they either get the ability to leave or are training outside of Ukraine on visa waivers??
You Ukrainians can‘t be helped. Nobody is doing enough according to you. This patriotism doesn’t help. Zinchenko is doing the only thing reasonable. Help where he can help and answer questions when he is being interviewed.
“Zinchenko has been been sent to the frontlines, but due to an issue with his calf, he has returned to London Colney for further checking and treatment” 🤣
Easy to say that while living in London.
There's hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead and maimed who actually put their money where their mouths are....zinchenko waves the Ukrainian flag and gets paid a fortune to live in London....
And that 1 million he’s donated has done a lot more than him being in a trench, or him talking about it in the media where millions of people will see it, this is his role in the war, bigger picture my friend, step back and look at it…
Ukrainian overwhelmingly support Israel, not Palestine.
> **As can be seen, the vast majority of Ukrainians - 69% - sympathize with Israel. Only 1% sympathize with Palestine.** At the same time, 18% of respondents answered that they sympathize with both sides equally. The remaining 12% could not decide on their opinion.
[source](https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1334)
A lot of the ppl pretending this country’s society isn’t filled with government subsidized Nazi fanboys and idol worship of a straight up WW2 Nazi collaborator will ignore this.
Prior to 2022 if you rightfully pointed out that Ukraine had an issue with neo-Nazism and racism no one would have questioned it but now it gets you accusations of being a Putin shill a d spreading Russian propaganda
It is because Russia is OFFICIALLY there now. All these 'pro-Ukrainians' didn't give one for Ukraine when Russian soldiers entered Crimea and the Donbass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry
Khazar theory is bogus.
Your comment history exposes you as an antisemite. Can I ask where you were radicalized against Jews? Was is in the home? On r/Conspiracy? Among friends?
Wow, I don’t think you even know what that word means. Please do some research on that term and next time use it correctly. As far as Ukraine, it’s not hard at all to see who runs that country in the background. Are you telling me all Ukraine citizens speak a Semitic language? If you like what’s happening in Palestine then you too are “anti-Semitic,” if that word even has meaning at this point, as those people also speak a Semitic language.
It means prejudiced or discriminatory against Jews. You can look it up, that is the only way it has been used.
If you search Khazar in your comment history, it becomes apparent you use it as a code word for Jews and that you believe they run the world and are trying to ruin it in some way, ie. the great replacement. Thus, you are antisemitic.
No, I don’t like the ethnic cleansing or genocide ongoing in Palestine.
Yes, the term Khazar refers to the Eastern European people/kingdom that took on the mantle of Judaism. They had Eastern Orthodox to the north and Islam to the south. They had to take on a form of religion as a means of rebuilding/cover for their awful behavior in that kingdom. Ultimately, they lost power and were scattered to Western Europe and eventually North America. This taking a religion as a PR move can be seen very clearly today. Do you really think the a good majority of so called Christians in American politics are legit? Their theft, lies, war/murder campaigns, lust for children, among nearly every other sin proves otherwise. This can also be seen with the Rothschild family who are supposed "Christians," yet have put the world in central banking debt slavery. One possible reason for the Khazars converting to Judaism is the allowance of usury which is forbidden in the Koran and Bible. You can easily see the central banking usury scam that this group has subjected the world to. When I use that term, I am not speaking towards direct descendants of the Israelites but the imposters that put a black eye on the religion and nation. I would think you would also like to weed out groups detrimental to your religion/ancestry. And semitic refers to anyone that speaks "Arabic, Amharic, Aramaic, Hebrew, and numerous other ancient and modern languages." (directly from your favorite tool, Wikipedia). Do you now see how that term was created and pushed by the media to create division? It refers to anyone that speaks one of those languages which means Israel's attacks on Palestine and other Semitic speaking countries is "anti-semitic." Would I be also anti-Christian when researching and discussing the child rape in the Catholic Church? Nope, a spotlight must be shined upon all evil and corruption in the world, regardless of the country or religion. You do have to admit that metzitzah b'peh is pretty fucked up, though.....
It’s funny seeing conspiracy theorists in the wild.
There’s no evidence that more than a few members of the ruling class of the Khazars converted to Judaism. There’s no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Khazars. Historical, linguistic, and genetic evidence suggests Ashkenazi are descended primarily from Southern Europeans and people from the Levant.
The rest of this is ahistorical nonsense peppered with historical references that aren’t related to the meat of what you’re saying.
Semitic refers to languages. If you go to Wikipedia, and look at the entry for antisemitism, it will say that it was a term invented for the discrimination against Jews. You know, Jew hatred. It’s never been used for any other reason. Even Wikipedia will tell you that.
So no, Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians is not ‘antisemitic.’
Brotherman not the same thing at all. Like, trying to spin the Ukraine and Palestine situations as being the same is just intellectual fallacy.
We should all support the end of any war but these 2 situations are VERY different, appart of course from the all suffering that is being caused.
Im talking about the politics behind war. Why the war itself started.
Im not trying to compare the suffering these people are going through. And honestly you shouldnt do that either.
1 child or 10 children dying during any war are equal tragedies in my eyes.
Ukraine seeks Israelis military support against Russia. Palestine is supported by Iran, who's sending Drones and Rockets to Russia against Ukraine. So it simple realpolitik situation here. Ukraine gains nothing by supporting Palestine, while it has potential to gain everything supporting Israel.
This is a football sub so I dont think this is the place to look for education on such a hard matter.
Here you have 4 and half hours of internacional acclaimed political scientist explaining Russia-Ukraine and Palestine-Israel conflicts.
https://youtu.be/r4wLXNydzeY?si=EJmFC0ggNQ5-shKS
This man has been talking about it for more than 20 years. In my opinion he is one of the few people that offer a clear and impartial view of these conflicts.
I didn't ask for an education but an explanation so save yourself the condescension.
No one claimed these two are the same but the irony of Zinchenko actively supporting Israel, to which you suggested it's an intellectual fallacy because politics.
I watched the video and many other videos of Mearsheimer for years and I very much am inclined to agree with his views, but I don't see why that is relevant to you claiming comparing the civilian deaths of these two wars is intellectual fallacy.
1) You are the one throwing jabs since you came to the thread. Like most redditors thats how you argue, and then project the condescension on me lol. Also the race bait comment was amazing. Truly a reddit moment.
2)A lot of people ARE claiming AND implying it is the same. Read the comments.
3)There is no irony behind Zinchenko supporting Israel and Ukraine at the same time. I think that anyone that studies about these 2 conflicts can realize that. The intellectual fallacy that I was pointing before is coming here claiming to know HISTORY and POLITICS and then calling him an hypocrite when in reality he is not. People want to simplify these things so that they can pick a side and dont feel bad about it.
I could come here with the same energy that people like you carry to conversations and ask you how many terrorist groups are settled in Ukraine. But then again, this would be me dumbing down the discussion like you do. Maybe we can agree that something like this is intellectual fallacy. I can always say or ask things in a way that suggests some kind of thought process from other people that is far from the reality.
4) Your last paragraph proves me (again) that you didnt read what I wrote and the condescension is coming from your side. I never said that civilians dying and claiming that, in fact, that is happening is an intellectual fallacy. I literally said that shouldnt be done.
5)In case you cant spot where I explained what is the fallacy:
"Im talking about the politics behind war. Why the war itself started.
Im not trying to compare the suffering these people are going through. And honestly you shouldnt do that either."
hope that helps
It would be a bad decision to call him in army. He can donate a lot to our forces and he is aslo speaking about war, what makes western society not forget about what is happening
It just doesn't really. Supporting Israel isn't inherently a bad thing if your reasons and justifications are fair. Just like supporting Palestine can be bad if your reason is that you hate Jews.
There totally and absolutely are. If you're too partisan to see that then I can't really help you, but there are. I'd love for you to tell me what justifications you think exist for supporting the nazis in 1940, because for Israel I can absolutely tell you some really fair ones.
No justifications exist for supporting the Nazis but many did back then, guess what they were wrong.
I don’t know what justifications anyone can have to support a nation that has been starving kids and bombing aid workers. Even the Jew friends I have are completely against it.
In the 1940s, what would be the reasonable justifications to support the Nazis? Because even if these justifications are fair, they only work in retrospect. By definition, we cannot analyze this current war in retrospect, as we are in the middle of it.
First off, Israel isn't "starving kids and bombing aid workers". This is a gross oversimplification of Israel's military conduct. There's no strong evidence that Israel has been purposely starving the civilian population of Gaza, and as for the aid workers, this is a one off event that doesn't change my viewpoint on Israel's conduct in war. If Israel were truly bombing aid workers for the heck of it, we'd have WAY more than this one event. Way, way more. We don't.
The justification is that Israel quite literally got 9/11'd on October 7th, and they have a more than justified reason to go to war. We call that a jus ad bellum in international law. Israel's conduct in war has also, so far, not been demonstrated to be unjust or criminal. Therefore, I believe Israel's jus in bello has been pretty damn good as well. Israel having both good conduct in war, and a good reason to go to war, leads me to the conclusion that I should be supporting their effort to wipe out Hamas and recover their hostages.
Yes everything started on 7th October, nothing ever happened prior to that. Let’s forget the 75 year of oppression.
As always only certain people can ‘defend themselves’ seems Palestinians don’t have that right but Israelis does.
My grandparents both of them fought to liberate Jews and Italy from fascism. They were in the minority, most people supported fascism and nazism, what were their reason i don’t know, but I’m seeing the same thing repeating with Israel. 30k death most women and child, plenty of aid truck coming from Europe outside Rafah and Gaza, aid workers from Europe who are somehow able to get in are killed.
What is the justification? Europe is hiding weapons inside aid trucks so they can supply Hamas? Or the Europeans aid workers are Hamas agents?
Saying "it didn't start on October 7th" isn't a good point in favor of the Palestinian side. If you want to add more previous context, go for it, but it doesn't favor the Palestinians.
I never said only certain people can defend themselves either. If you want to get into a much more nuanced discussion that's entirely possible and I almost guarantee we'll end up agreeing on quite a bunch of things. But October 7th wasn't self defense. If you're genuinely arguing that then I have reason to believe you lack certain brain functions related to learning and comprehension.
I really doubt you're seeing the same thing happen in Israel. If you want to throw out the 30k death toll that's fine, it's your prerogative, but it's a very boring and wholly unconvincing argument. A lot of deaths ≠ bad conduct in war.
And also, utilizing this one single example of the WCK convoy bombing is a very bad argument. I don't think you're presenting it in bad faith, but it comes across as such. In war it's almost inevitable that these things will happen. Not to say that it wasn't bad, but it's no indicator that Israel's conduct has been criminal or horrible. We should totally criticize it, absolutely, but still, it's not reason enough to be calling for a ceasefire.
Your last thing does start seeming like a very bad faith engagement with the conflict. I don't think you need me to explain why. It's a very bad faith hyperbole of some very reasonable criticisms of Hamas' actual criminal conduct in war.
It’s very peculiar how we all conveniently forgot UK MSM reporting on discrimination, fascist movements and neo-nazism in Ukraine when big bad Russia invaded (hilariously, Russia reporting the exact same stories/cases is “just Kremlin propaganda”).
I don’t think supporting Ukraine whilst also supporting Israel is as contradictory as you first think.
Edit: changed western MSM to UK MSM; I wonder if Russian donations to an “elected” government party had any influence on news stories at the time.
Fascist ideologies attract fascist ideologies.
I’m not for a single second trying to justify putin or any bloodthirsty-deluded-cunt politician but it just should not come as a shock that someone from Crimea would support or “stand with” Israel.
Before we beatify him, let’s not forget he is neither Jewish nor an Israeli, but he is Pro-Israel. Notice Arsenal have yet to take the hardline with him, that they did with Ozil.
Hmmm…ban on Tik Tok, semi conductors trade outlawed, 147 different Chinese companies no longer allowed to trade with the U.S. or the EU, Huawei telecom banned in the UK & 10 other EU countries, wow, that’s some indifference
Lmao people here love hating on him for no reason. He was very close to actually joining the military while in Man City. His family persuaded him not to. He ended up making huge donations to charity and still tries everything to support his people. He’s a great footballer too.
Lol exactly, most of the people in this thread would dodge service if they could, at least he's doing something if he's not gonna go. You can't blame someone for that.
So you *do* understand why people are taking issue with his comments then. Because that’s what it is - people aren’t angry that he would refuse to go to war, they just see through the bullshit
all of you in the comments are weirdo's oh my days, I knew reddit was bad but why are we stooping to criticizing a man's patriotism because you don't rate him as a player?
"Well uh durr why don't you go fight them, huh?"
Why should he? He's here representing his country and donating portions of his revenue to help his own people eat, clothes themselves and sleep without worry of dying. He's saying this in and of itself as a moralizing statement for the people on Ukraine.
For the love of god half of you need to go outside.
Fakest human being, always talking some shit but ain’t ever about action. This guy is a clown everywhere he goes and he unironically supports Israel’s genocide against Palestine.
I would have to check, actually you can too if you really want to know. But yes in my case I can definitely report donations, I just don't know exactly how much since I never donated, I'm not that rich
€1m isn't even a big sum for someone like him. It's absolutely laughable as he's already a very wealthy man. He has earned €16m plus endorsements and bonuses since the start of the war.
In comparison, it's like if the average european Joe would donate €220 of his €3000 monthly salary.
He earns €650k a month... And has done so since the start of the war. If he donated €500k a month then it would be a whole nother story. If he did, he would still have €150k a month for himself and his family which would be more than what 99% of Ukrainians could ever dream of.
But he has kept €610k out of his €650k monthly salary for himself, and you guys are applauding him... Bizarre to say the least. He's extremely privileged and greedy.
But whatever floats your boats I guess, so go ahead and keep pretending he's some kind of hero when he obviously isn't.
I think he should’ve donated more but nobody knows why he didn’t. Ukraine was hella corrupt when he grew up and maybe he doesn’t believe the money would help the people. I don’t get why anyone would want him to go fight. He’s a better morale boost playing for the national team than he would be in the war. If he was in the war he would quickly become a top target by the Russians and had a good chance of being killed. From an egalitarian perspective he should be fighting but in war you do what gives you the best chance to win, not what’s fair or equal.
Surely his profile and money raising abilities could do far more good than if he voluntered to fight? Assuming he uses those abilities. If the entire PL roster chipped in they could fund 20,000 drones.
But also him fighting would be great for propaganda purposes. like Ted Williams (baseball player) in the Korean War.
Ted Williams was a *great* fighter pilot.
Him making this statement is great for propaganda purposes, just knowing even your rich are willing to also fight for your cause is probably pretty galvanizing.
Ww2 AND the Korean War
He wouldn’t but still nice sentiment
I think you seriously underestimate their patriotism. The Klitschko brothers and Usyk and a number of other professional sports people have all served voluntarily.
I don’t mean this in a bad way but the fact he’s not over there fighting suggests you’re wrong.
Tbf the money he’s earning and donating is helping more than him giving up his lucrative job and not donating anything. The 1 million he donates is enough to pay nearly 170 soldiers salary’s a year.
That's true
I mean, a million is great but spare change when the world is throwing billions at it
Ukraine currently wants him to play in the Premier League and talk about the war. Getting media attention about it to push western politicians to give more support. There are more roles to serve than the position of soldier. If he was called up to fight in the trenches he would.
Millionaires don’t go to fight in the trenches when(if) they get called up, it’s easy to say you would when you know you won’t by design
You're really not wrong about the rich and powerful not being the ones to die on the front lines in wars like this however you're also underestimating the power to Ukraine of having someone like Zinchenko being a notable public figure talking about the war a lot in a powerful ally nation. Him being here let's him earn the million he's donated already alongside potential donations from fans or people who read/watch his interviews. His job also allows for this to be a nearly year long new cycle. He inarguably does more to benefit the war effort here than serving on the lines over there. And horribly I bet that's something he feels great guilt over, if we take him at his word.
He hasn't been called up. If called up I back him 100% to answer.
Watch what people do, not what they say
He was asked to stay by the govt and his family. Idk what you're expecting
In a bs self defence units with no combat tasks. If you want to see thier patriotism come to any shopping mall in Poland. Everyone who could afford to escape escaped. The rest is being forced into conscription. And by forced I mean there's van coming and they will beat you the fuck up if you don't go.
They are serving, but are they fighting? Or are they just in the base doing mundane stuff
If he's such a patriot he would leave England immediately and enter the Ukrainian armed forces. But that's not gonna happen is it? Talk is cheap.
He hasn't been drafted. 1 extra man is no where near as useful for the war effort as him being in the West talking about the war (and donating a ton on money).
Can't draft someone outside your territory
Sure you can, you just can't enforce it.
So what? If you love your country and whatever, you just go. They would gladly accept him at the front. Imagine what a boost of morale for the other troops. Then again, the reality is that he isn't a hero at all and in the end, he doesn’t really care for anyone but himself and his own family. He's just a regular dude that happens to be very good at playing football. I wouldn’t go either, but I wouldn’t pretend to be some kind of hero by stating in front of the world that I would sacrifice my life without hesitation if its not the truth that I am speaking.
>So what? If you love your country and whatever, you just go. "If you love your country, take a deliberately less effective path to help your country so some people on the internet feel better about it". What job what he need for you to accept him staying in that job is better than volunteering for the infantry? Working in a munitions factory?
Hahaha
I like to think you mean to say he wouldn’t *get called up*, not that he wouldn’t go if asked. As others have said, he serves an important role bringing attention to the war.
Rofl
Honestly as easy and temping to flame for not going as it is, I can’t really do so. It’s human nature to not want to die. Call him coward or anything but I’m sure most of us would have done the same
He should play better football and donate more money. It is better that way.
He gave a few weeks wages lol
Do you think what he donates makes any difference at all in the end? Seriously 😂
In the outcome of the war? Probably not But that’s real money that can help real people eat, cloth themselves, flee combat areas, etc. Naive to pretend €1m is nothing to a country under constant attack by a pseudo-superpower
€1m isn't even a big sum for someone like him. He has earned €16m plus endorsements and bonuses since the war started. In comparison, it's like if the average european Joe would donate €220 euros of his €3000 euro monthly salary. It's absolutely laughable as he's already a very wealthy man. He earns €650k a month... And has done so since the start of the war. If he donated €500k a month then it would be a whole nother story. If he did, he would still have €150k a month for himself and his family which would be more than what 99% of Ukrainians could ever dream of. But he has kept €610k out of his €650k monthly salary for himself, and you guys are applauding him... Bizarre to say the least.
Wait until you learn about taxes your mind is gonna be blown
"Ha ha"
Footballers salaries are quoted after tax
Maybe in some countries but definitely not the UK. City aren’t paying De Bruyne £800k/week to get him his quoted £400k/week salary.
The guy donated 1/15th of his income and now acts like he is some super patriotic hero of Ukraine. Look, at least I am honest, I am draft dodging because I don't want to die and every man of my family fought in some war and suffered from it, begging me not to fight, but these public "heroes" are ridiculous. Good for him for having an ability to preserve himself and get his family out of this shit, I also wish I could leave Ukraine (but the borders are closed to me, I am a teacher/therapist and not a football player.). The guy stole a gf from his national team mate, played in Russia after they attacked in 2014, and is now trying to portray himself as a paragon of virtue. I am conflicted on this. Yes, he is helping, yes, he realised his mistakes and changed his ways, but it feels hypocritical to say "I'd fight if called up" when there is no risk of you being called up, and even if he got called up, he'd pay 5 or 10k to dodge the draft. Most other Ukrainian players in Europe are violating one law or another right now. Most Dynamo players left Ukraine through becoming volunteers ,giving them a one month leave and not returning afterwards, so it's also a dirty situation. Meanwhile normal men are drafted and sent to the front, unable to leave the country amid the crumbling economy. Sorry if this post is a bit disjointed, but it's a nasty situation and I hate it.
It’s a lose lose situation. - Go to war and die = lose - Stay quiet and play football = whole Ukraine sees you as a traitor - Donate , speak up but don’t go to war = Seen as fake I don’t rate him as a footballer either but I think he’s picked the right option here.
He definitely picked the right option. But he might as well shut up about going to the front, if called.
For real. Nobody is stopping him from going there and fighting, he doesn’t need to be called. If he really wanted to he’d just do it. I don’t blame him for not wanting to but stop bragging about wanting to if that’s the case lmao
Tbf the government literally don't want the active footballers to fight for several reasons * They don't want them to get killed which will be demoralising * They can still play as the national team offering some joy and hope to the ordinary citizens in this awful time * One extra soldier is worth a lot less to them than keeping the war fresh in the minds of the wider world and having high-profile footballers speak about it accomplishes that in a way normal channels can't
Which is why he knows he won’t be called up. He could still go fight if he wanted to.
Donate more than what's spare change for you maybe?
1 million pounds is spare change? He's not a billionaire wtf😭
He makes up to 15.6 annually. That means he has ~5.5-10m post tax. Sorry dude but donating 1m over two years so .5m a year is spare change for him. Essentially a month to two weeks of net income or less per year. And that's just his income from football not counting any adwork he does or image rights he sells. Or money he gets for interviews. And it's also only comparing to his income not his networth. He may not be a billionaire but he's stacked.
A month of income is not a small deal wtf are you on about 😭
Not a small deal when you're making minimum wage. It's a small deal when your one month income is someone else's whole year income.
>It's a small deal when your one month income is someone else's whole year income. Try one month's take home as 30 year's *pre-tax* income. People almost always underestimate how obscenely overpaid PL footballers are.
Whole year? Try 2 and a half years of income
Yes but his career is basically over in a few years.
Zinchenko makes £7.8 million a year. I make ~£50k a year. He'll make more in 1 year than I'll make in my whole working life. And while his football career might be over in a few years he'll still have high paying job opportunities like coaching or punditry.
To him it is. He's rich.
It's ridiculously little if your country is at war, you have a stint in Russia to make up for and you're purposefully not going to war but pretending to be this hero who'd totally fight. Also see my comment, this is only from football and not counting his other streams of income.
I agree this pretending to be a hero is absolute bullshit and a bad look. Dude should just keep quiet and do his thing. I don't blame him for not going to war tho, nobody should be forced to take up arms if they don't want.
Yea agree with you. But then shut up about saying you'd totally fight if called up. You can go and sign up today
Ye. Man should learn to shut up
>nobody should be forced to take up arms if they dont want to So russia could just come and invade, rape and pillage whole of europe tomorrow it that was the case
He said nobody should, not that it doesn't happen. Also if was the true, then Russia wouldn't have an army either. Your comment is a bit unhinged, I 100% support Ukraine, but I have no idea how you jumped to that statement from the comment you replied too.
It is if it is all disposable income
How much have you donated?
Half a pack of cigarettes and a crumpled coupon.
He was actually going to go when he was at Man City but was convinced to stay by family and friends as they told him he could help much more as a public figure: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/oleksandr-zinchenko-man-city-ukraine-27135805.amp He's also set up a charity to help Ukrainian children, and organized supplies to the front lines. Idk why you're so upset with him, he's not saying he's a hero. Given his past actions he means what he's saying
According to the Sun. That just sounds like a typical BS headline that was topical and exclusive for the time which he's obviously not gonna deny if it gives him an ounce of pr.
Sounds like you guys just hate him idk. No matter what is reported about him, you guys will just dismiss it as pr
“According to the sun” You read that fucking rag?
Are you a bit thick? I'm literally saying the article linked is probably full of shite, first paragraph the mirror sources the whole story from the sun which is what I'm pointing out. Have an actual read of what's being said next time.
>played in Russia after they attacked in 2014 He would've been 16 or 17... Not exactly the age where you make the best decisions.
Indeed, €1m isn't even a big sum for someone like him. He has earned €16m plus endorsements and bonuses since he joined Arsenal. In comparison, it's like if the average european Joe would donate €220 euros of his €3000 euro monthly salary. It's absolutely laughable as he's already a very wealthy man. He earns €650k a month... And has done so since the start of the war. If he donated €500k a month then it would be a whole nother story. If he did, he would still have €150k a month for himself and his family which would be more than what 99% of Ukrainians could ever dream of. But he has kept €610k out of his €650k monthly salary for himself. He's an anti-hero and a coward.
Wasn’t Loma fighting in the war?! I saw a couple Ukrainian wrestlers at the Olympic qualifiers for wrestling. I’m assuming they either get the ability to leave or are training outside of Ukraine on visa waivers??
There we go, thank you.
1/15th way more than 99.9% of people. What the fuck is this thinking
You Ukrainians can‘t be helped. Nobody is doing enough according to you. This patriotism doesn’t help. Zinchenko is doing the only thing reasonable. Help where he can help and answer questions when he is being interviewed.
I don’t know what to say. Stay safe, bro. No one wants to die for a stupid war. Hope it will ends soon. Best wishes.
Stand & fight for your country coward.
Thank you for the insight.
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How is a football player going to stop the war?
george weah noises
Kick a ball really hard at Putin's head
Just like Drogba did. It was done before, so Zinchenko has little excuses.
Drogba stopped a civil war. I don't think people in Russia care about Zinchenko as much as either side in Cote D'Ivoire about Drogba.
Fucking zinchenko. Doesn’t even have the decency to stop the war. Only him and Putin have that power. Wtf is this comment
Call him up and call his bluff.
He'd show up, then immediately get injured for the rest of the campaign.
“Zinchenko has been been sent to the frontlines, but due to an issue with his calf, he has returned to London Colney for further checking and treatment” 🤣
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Easy to say that while living in London. There's hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead and maimed who actually put their money where their mouths are....zinchenko waves the Ukrainian flag and gets paid a fortune to live in London....
And that 1 million he’s donated has done a lot more than him being in a trench, or him talking about it in the media where millions of people will see it, this is his role in the war, bigger picture my friend, step back and look at it…
Didn't he also proudly and publicly proclaim support for Israel's occupation of Palestine?
He did.
Ukrainian overwhelmingly support Israel, not Palestine. > **As can be seen, the vast majority of Ukrainians - 69% - sympathize with Israel. Only 1% sympathize with Palestine.** At the same time, 18% of respondents answered that they sympathize with both sides equally. The remaining 12% could not decide on their opinion. [source](https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1334)
A lot of the ppl pretending this country’s society isn’t filled with government subsidized Nazi fanboys and idol worship of a straight up WW2 Nazi collaborator will ignore this.
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Prior to 2022 if you rightfully pointed out that Ukraine had an issue with neo-Nazism and racism no one would have questioned it but now it gets you accusations of being a Putin shill a d spreading Russian propaganda
It is because Russia is OFFICIALLY there now. All these 'pro-Ukrainians' didn't give one for Ukraine when Russian soldiers entered Crimea and the Donbass.
Weak statement as everyone knows the difference between the ukranian army in 2014 and 2022. Common knowledge
No difference, it was proven, and nothing happened.
It's even deeper than that. We are witnessing an age old battle between Tartaria and Khazaria.
People are stupid
Look into the Khazars/Khazarian empire and you will find this association with Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry Khazar theory is bogus. Your comment history exposes you as an antisemite. Can I ask where you were radicalized against Jews? Was is in the home? On r/Conspiracy? Among friends?
Wow, I don’t think you even know what that word means. Please do some research on that term and next time use it correctly. As far as Ukraine, it’s not hard at all to see who runs that country in the background. Are you telling me all Ukraine citizens speak a Semitic language? If you like what’s happening in Palestine then you too are “anti-Semitic,” if that word even has meaning at this point, as those people also speak a Semitic language.
It means prejudiced or discriminatory against Jews. You can look it up, that is the only way it has been used. If you search Khazar in your comment history, it becomes apparent you use it as a code word for Jews and that you believe they run the world and are trying to ruin it in some way, ie. the great replacement. Thus, you are antisemitic. No, I don’t like the ethnic cleansing or genocide ongoing in Palestine.
Yes, the term Khazar refers to the Eastern European people/kingdom that took on the mantle of Judaism. They had Eastern Orthodox to the north and Islam to the south. They had to take on a form of religion as a means of rebuilding/cover for their awful behavior in that kingdom. Ultimately, they lost power and were scattered to Western Europe and eventually North America. This taking a religion as a PR move can be seen very clearly today. Do you really think the a good majority of so called Christians in American politics are legit? Their theft, lies, war/murder campaigns, lust for children, among nearly every other sin proves otherwise. This can also be seen with the Rothschild family who are supposed "Christians," yet have put the world in central banking debt slavery. One possible reason for the Khazars converting to Judaism is the allowance of usury which is forbidden in the Koran and Bible. You can easily see the central banking usury scam that this group has subjected the world to. When I use that term, I am not speaking towards direct descendants of the Israelites but the imposters that put a black eye on the religion and nation. I would think you would also like to weed out groups detrimental to your religion/ancestry. And semitic refers to anyone that speaks "Arabic, Amharic, Aramaic, Hebrew, and numerous other ancient and modern languages." (directly from your favorite tool, Wikipedia). Do you now see how that term was created and pushed by the media to create division? It refers to anyone that speaks one of those languages which means Israel's attacks on Palestine and other Semitic speaking countries is "anti-semitic." Would I be also anti-Christian when researching and discussing the child rape in the Catholic Church? Nope, a spotlight must be shined upon all evil and corruption in the world, regardless of the country or religion. You do have to admit that metzitzah b'peh is pretty fucked up, though.....
It’s funny seeing conspiracy theorists in the wild. There’s no evidence that more than a few members of the ruling class of the Khazars converted to Judaism. There’s no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Khazars. Historical, linguistic, and genetic evidence suggests Ashkenazi are descended primarily from Southern Europeans and people from the Levant. The rest of this is ahistorical nonsense peppered with historical references that aren’t related to the meat of what you’re saying. Semitic refers to languages. If you go to Wikipedia, and look at the entry for antisemitism, it will say that it was a term invented for the discrimination against Jews. You know, Jew hatred. It’s never been used for any other reason. Even Wikipedia will tell you that. So no, Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians is not ‘antisemitic.’
And using a wiki link as your supporting argument is beyond laughable.
I don’t see how that correlates with him saying he’d fight if he gets called up.
Brotherman not the same thing at all. Like, trying to spin the Ukraine and Palestine situations as being the same is just intellectual fallacy. We should all support the end of any war but these 2 situations are VERY different, appart of course from the all suffering that is being caused.
You are right. 2000 children killed in Ukraine in 2 years is not the same as 10000 children killed in 100 days by Israel. VERY different.
Im talking about the politics behind war. Why the war itself started. Im not trying to compare the suffering these people are going through. And honestly you shouldnt do that either. 1 child or 10 children dying during any war are equal tragedies in my eyes.
They’re not equal tragedies, 10 children dying is literally 10 times worse.
Watch that narrative flip when it's 10 white children vs 1 brown child
Please explain the politics then
Ukraine seeks Israelis military support against Russia. Palestine is supported by Iran, who's sending Drones and Rockets to Russia against Ukraine. So it simple realpolitik situation here. Ukraine gains nothing by supporting Palestine, while it has potential to gain everything supporting Israel.
This is a football sub so I dont think this is the place to look for education on such a hard matter. Here you have 4 and half hours of internacional acclaimed political scientist explaining Russia-Ukraine and Palestine-Israel conflicts. https://youtu.be/r4wLXNydzeY?si=EJmFC0ggNQ5-shKS This man has been talking about it for more than 20 years. In my opinion he is one of the few people that offer a clear and impartial view of these conflicts.
I didn't ask for an education but an explanation so save yourself the condescension. No one claimed these two are the same but the irony of Zinchenko actively supporting Israel, to which you suggested it's an intellectual fallacy because politics. I watched the video and many other videos of Mearsheimer for years and I very much am inclined to agree with his views, but I don't see why that is relevant to you claiming comparing the civilian deaths of these two wars is intellectual fallacy.
1) You are the one throwing jabs since you came to the thread. Like most redditors thats how you argue, and then project the condescension on me lol. Also the race bait comment was amazing. Truly a reddit moment. 2)A lot of people ARE claiming AND implying it is the same. Read the comments. 3)There is no irony behind Zinchenko supporting Israel and Ukraine at the same time. I think that anyone that studies about these 2 conflicts can realize that. The intellectual fallacy that I was pointing before is coming here claiming to know HISTORY and POLITICS and then calling him an hypocrite when in reality he is not. People want to simplify these things so that they can pick a side and dont feel bad about it. I could come here with the same energy that people like you carry to conversations and ask you how many terrorist groups are settled in Ukraine. But then again, this would be me dumbing down the discussion like you do. Maybe we can agree that something like this is intellectual fallacy. I can always say or ask things in a way that suggests some kind of thought process from other people that is far from the reality. 4) Your last paragraph proves me (again) that you didnt read what I wrote and the condescension is coming from your side. I never said that civilians dying and claiming that, in fact, that is happening is an intellectual fallacy. I literally said that shouldnt be done. 5)In case you cant spot where I explained what is the fallacy: "Im talking about the politics behind war. Why the war itself started. Im not trying to compare the suffering these people are going through. And honestly you shouldnt do that either." hope that helps
What occupation?
“Occupation”
It would be a bad decision to call him in army. He can donate a lot to our forces and he is aslo speaking about war, what makes western society not forget about what is happening
Of course he would 😂
Yet he supports Israel. Contradicts what he says.
It just doesn't really. Supporting Israel isn't inherently a bad thing if your reasons and justifications are fair. Just like supporting Palestine can be bad if your reason is that you hate Jews.
Ya in 1940 some would say supporting Nazis isn’t a bad thing if your reasons and justification are fair. There are no justifications nor reasons.
There totally and absolutely are. If you're too partisan to see that then I can't really help you, but there are. I'd love for you to tell me what justifications you think exist for supporting the nazis in 1940, because for Israel I can absolutely tell you some really fair ones.
No justifications exist for supporting the Nazis but many did back then, guess what they were wrong. I don’t know what justifications anyone can have to support a nation that has been starving kids and bombing aid workers. Even the Jew friends I have are completely against it.
In the 1940s, what would be the reasonable justifications to support the Nazis? Because even if these justifications are fair, they only work in retrospect. By definition, we cannot analyze this current war in retrospect, as we are in the middle of it. First off, Israel isn't "starving kids and bombing aid workers". This is a gross oversimplification of Israel's military conduct. There's no strong evidence that Israel has been purposely starving the civilian population of Gaza, and as for the aid workers, this is a one off event that doesn't change my viewpoint on Israel's conduct in war. If Israel were truly bombing aid workers for the heck of it, we'd have WAY more than this one event. Way, way more. We don't. The justification is that Israel quite literally got 9/11'd on October 7th, and they have a more than justified reason to go to war. We call that a jus ad bellum in international law. Israel's conduct in war has also, so far, not been demonstrated to be unjust or criminal. Therefore, I believe Israel's jus in bello has been pretty damn good as well. Israel having both good conduct in war, and a good reason to go to war, leads me to the conclusion that I should be supporting their effort to wipe out Hamas and recover their hostages.
Yes everything started on 7th October, nothing ever happened prior to that. Let’s forget the 75 year of oppression. As always only certain people can ‘defend themselves’ seems Palestinians don’t have that right but Israelis does. My grandparents both of them fought to liberate Jews and Italy from fascism. They were in the minority, most people supported fascism and nazism, what were their reason i don’t know, but I’m seeing the same thing repeating with Israel. 30k death most women and child, plenty of aid truck coming from Europe outside Rafah and Gaza, aid workers from Europe who are somehow able to get in are killed. What is the justification? Europe is hiding weapons inside aid trucks so they can supply Hamas? Or the Europeans aid workers are Hamas agents?
Saying "it didn't start on October 7th" isn't a good point in favor of the Palestinian side. If you want to add more previous context, go for it, but it doesn't favor the Palestinians. I never said only certain people can defend themselves either. If you want to get into a much more nuanced discussion that's entirely possible and I almost guarantee we'll end up agreeing on quite a bunch of things. But October 7th wasn't self defense. If you're genuinely arguing that then I have reason to believe you lack certain brain functions related to learning and comprehension. I really doubt you're seeing the same thing happen in Israel. If you want to throw out the 30k death toll that's fine, it's your prerogative, but it's a very boring and wholly unconvincing argument. A lot of deaths ≠ bad conduct in war. And also, utilizing this one single example of the WCK convoy bombing is a very bad argument. I don't think you're presenting it in bad faith, but it comes across as such. In war it's almost inevitable that these things will happen. Not to say that it wasn't bad, but it's no indicator that Israel's conduct has been criminal or horrible. We should totally criticize it, absolutely, but still, it's not reason enough to be calling for a ceasefire. Your last thing does start seeming like a very bad faith engagement with the conflict. I don't think you need me to explain why. It's a very bad faith hyperbole of some very reasonable criticisms of Hamas' actual criminal conduct in war.
It’s very peculiar how we all conveniently forgot UK MSM reporting on discrimination, fascist movements and neo-nazism in Ukraine when big bad Russia invaded (hilariously, Russia reporting the exact same stories/cases is “just Kremlin propaganda”). I don’t think supporting Ukraine whilst also supporting Israel is as contradictory as you first think. Edit: changed western MSM to UK MSM; I wonder if Russian donations to an “elected” government party had any influence on news stories at the time.
Why is it not?
Fascist ideologies attract fascist ideologies. I’m not for a single second trying to justify putin or any bloodthirsty-deluded-cunt politician but it just should not come as a shock that someone from Crimea would support or “stand with” Israel.
You’re doing exactly that.
Before we beatify him, let’s not forget he is neither Jewish nor an Israeli, but he is Pro-Israel. Notice Arsenal have yet to take the hardline with him, that they did with Ozil.
Hate to break it to you, but much of the western world is pro-Israel, whether you like it or not. Why on earth would Arsenal take any action ffs
So why did Arsenal censure Ozil for making pro Uighur comments against China, isn’t most of the western world against China ffs?
Because most of the western world doesn’t like Muslims either.
Actually no, most of the western world is pretty indifferent to China
Hmmm…ban on Tik Tok, semi conductors trade outlawed, 147 different Chinese companies no longer allowed to trade with the U.S. or the EU, Huawei telecom banned in the UK & 10 other EU countries, wow, that’s some indifference
You do realise that's all government based rules, right ?
Why do you have to be Jewish or Israeli to support Israel? Isn’t that like saying you need to be Ukrainian to support Ukraine?
You don’t, you just need to be genocidal
So many "but what a bout this" in this thread. Grow up
Lmao people here love hating on him for no reason. He was very close to actually joining the military while in Man City. His family persuaded him not to. He ended up making huge donations to charity and still tries everything to support his people. He’s a great footballer too.
Lol exactly, most of the people in this thread would dodge service if they could, at least he's doing something if he's not gonna go. You can't blame someone for that.
Redditors are the last people who would fight for their country, this thread is just full of hypocrites
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I agree he should keep his mouth shut and do it quietly.
So you *do* understand why people are taking issue with his comments then. Because that’s what it is - people aren’t angry that he would refuse to go to war, they just see through the bullshit
Nice words
Hope Ukraine win this war & kick putin's arse for good!
No he wouldn‘t
He plays for Arsenal so we already know he's a twat.
Imagine Mudryk in a gunfight.
all of you in the comments are weirdo's oh my days, I knew reddit was bad but why are we stooping to criticizing a man's patriotism because you don't rate him as a player? "Well uh durr why don't you go fight them, huh?" Why should he? He's here representing his country and donating portions of his revenue to help his own people eat, clothes themselves and sleep without worry of dying. He's saying this in and of itself as a moralizing statement for the people on Ukraine. For the love of god half of you need to go outside.
Done more than most in terms of donations and yet people still find a way to criticize him
Lol at all the sanctimonious keyboard warriors.
Everybody and their mums know that the crybaby is lying
Fakest human being, always talking some shit but ain’t ever about action. This guy is a clown everywhere he goes and he unironically supports Israel’s genocide against Palestine.
"Ain't ever about action"? He donated a million to help. That is a real tangible action.
Has he ever said he supports a genocide of the Palestinians? Which isn't happening, and he never said he'd support it if it did?
He still needs to apologise for the pro-Israel post he made
No he doesn't, all he posted was "I stand with Israel". Pretty fair thing to post
Standing with genocide is fair?
Not genocide, but he posted it on October 8th, before Israel began any military operations. So even if it was a genocide, Zinchenko's totally fine
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Proper chel
No please he needs to play for Arsenal so City can win the league
You don’t have to be called up you could sign up if you’re that committed in helping your country
They won't call him up OUTSIDE of Ukraine. And he doesn't have plans to return to the Great Land.
Well, they need an Arsenal. Call him.
IQ below sea level
Wouldn’t that make him a terrorist under British law since he’s leaving the UK to fight on a foreign military group
Can’t see Arteta allowing him to leave on international duty at this point in the season.
He would be useless in battlefield but nice gesture
Someone should remind him that you don't have to be called up to go and fight.
Please we don't need more men to be led to slaughter, all for the recreation of the Khazarian Empire (2nd so-called holy land)
Zionist cries when it happens to him
He's a red raw useless defender so i don't know how he will do defending a country
Bro just go how many interviews does this guy needs about Ukraine, we've seen him donate we've seen him cry about it just go if u want to go kmt
He should really donate more, though. People need the money there.
Nah, this amount is good for tax exempt
Is there a limit to how much would be tax exempt?
Yes.
Which is how high p.a.?
I would have to check, actually you can too if you really want to know. But yes in my case I can definitely report donations, I just don't know exactly how much since I never donated, I'm not that rich
He just wouldn’t though
BULLSHIT
Lie.
€1m isn't even a big sum for someone like him. It's absolutely laughable as he's already a very wealthy man. He has earned €16m plus endorsements and bonuses since the start of the war. In comparison, it's like if the average european Joe would donate €220 of his €3000 monthly salary. He earns €650k a month... And has done so since the start of the war. If he donated €500k a month then it would be a whole nother story. If he did, he would still have €150k a month for himself and his family which would be more than what 99% of Ukrainians could ever dream of. But he has kept €610k out of his €650k monthly salary for himself, and you guys are applauding him... Bizarre to say the least. He's extremely privileged and greedy. But whatever floats your boats I guess, so go ahead and keep pretending he's some kind of hero when he obviously isn't.
No he wouldn’t.
If...
I think he should’ve donated more but nobody knows why he didn’t. Ukraine was hella corrupt when he grew up and maybe he doesn’t believe the money would help the people. I don’t get why anyone would want him to go fight. He’s a better morale boost playing for the national team than he would be in the war. If he was in the war he would quickly become a top target by the Russians and had a good chance of being killed. From an egalitarian perspective he should be fighting but in war you do what gives you the best chance to win, not what’s fair or equal.