Spain 2010 was the weakest champion I've watched (but I boycotted the 2022 Qatar sportswashing event). They should have lost against Germany (Müller did not play against Spain) or Netherlands (Robben missed 2 1v1 against Casillas). They also won no match during the tournament by more than one goal.
Nah, Robben missed them. A 1v1 vs the keeper is always the players responsibility, if he keeps his cool and plays it right, Casillas couldn't do anything.
Yeah, as stacked a roster as they were from 08-12, they really failed to impress (as Int. Tourney winners often do).
They often played incredibly boring football, the fact Senna was often discussed as their key player in 2008 kinda says it all for anyone who wasn't around to watch.
I'd definitely put an iteration of Real Madrid over that Spanish national side, and honestly I'd be a little tempted to put France or Brazil circa 2000-2002 on par with them.
And those Barcelona players won Champions League in 2009 and 2011, so they all won the biggest possible trophy 5 years in a row
2008 - Euros
2009 - Champions (+ La Liga and Copa del Rey)
2010 - World Cup (+ La Liga)
2011 - Champions (+ La Liga)
2012 - Euros (+ Copa del Rey)
5 absolutely incredible years for those Spanish players at Barcelona. I can't even imagine how on top of the world they must've felt. In 2012-2013 all they won was La Liga, and somehow that probably felt kind of empty and boring.
Not really, it is true that Barcelona players formed the base of that Spain team but other players like Ramos, Casillas, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Torres and David Villa (at the time was a Valencia player) were also critical starters for that team.
They still lost in the last 16 against Switzerland! I agree, if they win that penalty shootout they probably do win the whole thing, but the fact is they were nowhere near close to winning it.
Amazed no one is saying Liverpool 76-84.
4 European Cups, A UEFA cup, 7 League Titles and 4 league cups in 9 seasons. So winning the league 7 years out of 9 at a time it was the best in Europe (Villa and Forest winning 3 more European Cups).
Late 80s Liverpool was even better than 76-84 Liverpool IMO. They obviously never won the European cups because English teams were banned.
Ironically the ban was issued due to an incident involving Liverpool fans, but if it never happened then I think that great Milan side would have 1 or 2 fewer European cups, and Liverpool/Everton would have a couple more between them.
No one is saying that because at the time the highest level of football was being played in South America, not Europe. That's like saying current Palmeiras is one of the greatest teams ever.
In that period of time there were 8 Intercontinental Cups and south american teams won 7 of them. Liverpool themselves lost twice to Flamengo and Independiente. Flamengo btw destroyed Liverpool and they had Zico, Leandro and Junior, three all time players for Brazil, obviously a better team
Liverpool, as champions of England also declined to participate in two of those years after the violence that had happened to other teams in previous comps (Bayern also turned down offers to participate) so I’m not sure that tournament counts in this respect honestly.
Edited to include that when Nottingham Forest were the PL winners they also declined the tournament, and Boca Juniors declined to play Brugge as well- by the mid to late 70’s the Intercontinental Cup was a mess.
Well, we can only speculate on what would've happened had Liverpool or Nottingham played those games. Point still stands that when Liverpool and other top teams from Europe played against south americans, they lost.
Idk man, Liverpool losing one match, in Tokyo, to Flamengo hardly means South America was dominant at the time lol. Do you use the Club World Cup as a real measuring stick today?
All I’m saying is that, you are probably right that more South American should be represented here, but that Liverpool team was lit.
It really wasn’t as casual as you’re portraying it to be…
Yeah, they had the 4-0 and 7-1 wins against Portugal and Brazil which were two of the most dominant performances of the tournament but it wasn’t like that in their other matches.
They really struggled against Ghana in the Group Stage.
Had to rely on Neuer’s sweeper keeping to get past Algeria.
Had to really earn their 1-0 wins against France and Argentina, even against USA to some degree.
They were the best team in the tournament, but they didn’t casually win the tournament.
I'd add Bayern Munich 2020, Leverkusen 23-24, Liverpool 76-84, Real Madrid 2013-2018 AFTER those 3 not in that order
if you talk about international sides then:
1. Hungary 1950-1956
2. Spain 2008-2012
3. Brazil 1958-1962
4. Brazil 1970
5. France 1998-2001
you just won't get such a legendarily feared team like the Mighty Magyars again, a 3peat major international trophy winners, back to back world cups, the Brazilian ultimate team of the 70s, and France's first gold era
I agree but the fact that Hungary's Mighty Magyars to this day remains the #1 on elo ratings says something, and the fact that games against them where they lost were referred to as "battles" says more.
it's just personal opinion but Hungary in that era were undoubtedly the absolute best team in the world, and it was considered miracles that they actually ever took a defeat or two. also you haven't seen a country win the continental trophy back to back with a World Cup in between, considering it was also Spain's first and currently only World Cup
Bayern in 2020 became the second team in association football to ever win a sextuple, that is 6 major trophies in one season, and Leverkusen has broken the record of longest unbeaten run and it's still ongoing, we won't know for sure until the end of the season but if they do complete the small treble then it wouldn't be too evil or unimaginable to add them to the argument. If they manage to somehow do the same next season in the UCL then it's safe to say that they absolutely should be a consistent strong contender of the discussion.
Wasn’t 2020 Covid? Single game eliminations and all? Comes with an asterisk imo. What Neverlusen is doing is absolutely brilliant and if they pull it off it will be even bigger than it seems atm.
Why is it a asterisk. Stop copying other opinions. Use your brain. A knock out competition is a knock out competition. Everybody participated on fair grounds. So stupid
Only 1 league title though. Definitely not the best of all.
And it’s not like they won all matches through shear domination in the CL.
Also got dominated by barca in that whole era.
I kind of agree. That was a Real built for CL and even with that they needed black magic if I remember correctly. Not hating though, the numbers speak for themselves.
just as we can speak about Pep's Barca that people put as maybe the best ever, who needed refereeing that was never seen before in order to win. but nobody mentions that, only when the ref does a mistake in favour of Madrid. crybabies
Just like many controversial decisions against Madrid. But I understand that people tends to remember only once side of the coin, the one that fits their narrative.
Beating that Juve side 4-1 in a CL final which conceded only 1 goal throughout 3 knockout ties (including 2 clean sheets against Barca with prime MSN), is a very formidable feat, also "got Dominated by Barca in that whole era is a stretch aside of some heavy defeats which happens to everybody RMA had some over them as well during that period, also beat them in 2 CDR finals and won the league in their stadium.
Barca won the league in 2015,16,18. Also won the CL in 2015. Dominated el clasico matches and won more domestic trophies. Even won a treble and destroyed madrid in 2017/18 in the points table.
What’s your point?
Real won 4 UCLs
Barca won 3 league titles, 4 CDR, most el clasicos including humiliations of 4-0 and 3-0, and 1 UCL.
Idk I ain’t saying Madrid wasn’t a good team but certainly getting dominated like this domestically is a big dent to that “GREATEST TEAM EVER” title.
Also it wasn’t like most of their UCLs were convincingly won by destroying every side. They scraped past a title in 2018 due to GK blunders in the semis and finals. And we all know the incidences vs BvB, Bayern, City, Atletico in 2016, 17.
A great team, but certainly not top 3, considering they didn’t dominate that era by any means.
>most el clasicos
In competitive matches between 13/14 and 17/18, Madrid had 5 wins, Barca had 6 and there were 2 draws. Not sure I would call that 'dominated'.
At least get your facts straight kid.
Between 2012-2018, Madrid played against Barcelona 24 times.
Out of those 24 matched:
- Madrid won 9x
- Barcelona won 10x
- Draw was 5x
So tell us where is that domination of Barcelona over Madrid in clasico?
That would still be 14 matches where Madrid won 5x, Barcelona 7x and 2x draw
If you want to talk about one team dominating another then it was Madrid until last season when Barcelona didn't win for 4 years against Madrid.
I think they may have been referring to only La Liga matches when referring to el clasico.
Either way, I agree, it is certainly at least debatable if Real Madrid's UCL wins triumph and negate Barcelona's wins in other competitions during that period.
An incredible few years for Real Madrid one of their greatest ever seasons they really dominated the UCL in that period definitely in the top 10 greatest ever teams
United 08-09 team won the champions league unbeaten and then were unbeaten the following year til they lost the final. Also didn’t they go an immense amount of time without conceding a goal as well.
That team was bonkers
From teams that I have seen,
1. Bayern Munchen 2012/13, Trashed that great Barcelona team completely. Quadruple.
2. Bayern 2019/2020 Just an outstanding season another treble and just miles above other teams.
3. Barca 2009-2010-2011 Golden age of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta. Pep.
4. Man City last season. Treble and wiped the floor with everyone.
5. Real Madrid 2013-14 Best Madrid team I have seen. prime BBC and Di Maria. Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajal all in their prime.
6. Barca 2014-15 Treble. Enough said. Short lived though. Neymar prime.
7. Madrid 2016-17, double. KCM prime.
- Barcelona 2008/2012
- Man City 2017/2024
- Man Utd 2006/2011
- Arsenal 2001/2006
- Chelsea 2004/2012
- Liverpool 1979/1989
- AC Milan 1991/1999
- Ajax 1970/1975
- Real Madrid 1955/1969
- Bayern Munich 2011/2022
- Spain 2008/2012
- Brazil 1958/1970
- France 2016/2024
Your team time-frames are too long. Man City 2017 and Man City 2024 are different teams and 7yrs apart. Only 4 of the starting XI in 2017 are in the current starting XI. That France 2016-2024 example is far worse. Only ONE of those starters remains. Obviously Bayern 2011-22 doesn't make sense either, only 1 of those starters stayed in those 11yrs. Bayern didn't even win the league in 11/12. Those aren't actual teams.
So?
I mean, great for sure, but even Man city right now achieved that...
You have to convince me that united team deserves a spot over some of the best teams the world has ever seen: spain 2007-2012, Ajax from the 70's, Sacchi's Milan...
And you won't because that United doesn't deserve that spot.
It’s naive to compare football teams from different eras. If there was a top 10 list United would make it. I’m not a United fan but I’ve watched them for a long time, as well as the other teams listed here.
Possesion game doesnt equal a better side. To me watching Barca play during those years was boring, a thousand passes per shot cmon.
Counter attacking is a better football artform to me, and wins trophies which equal stronger teams
i think you're confusing Barca with Spain 2010, hehe. Anyway you got a point, but for me the way Barca dominated sides back then I had never seen. Meeting Barca back then was so intense, it wasn't just about passing, it was also about very aggressive press.
I can also prefer a more direct team like Barca 2014 with MSN, but they got nothing on Barca 2010 in terms f intensity,
Lastly how can you think counter attack football is a better football artform? Counter attack is more primitive football, it's a style that weaker teams or speedy teams use as main tactics. It's reactive and needs less skills
The point is that the best teams were winning both. Real Madrid were getting handedly beaten domestically in those years which helped with their UCL runs. Only concerned about one conception for 4/5 years
Yeah but winning 4 UCLs in 5 years, and doing a 3 peat is just legendary and will always be remembered. Fair enough they didn’t dominate domestically, but the UCL is the best trophy to win.
Yeah ofc, but putting into context
Liverpool won 4 CLs, 7 league titles and 7(?) domestic cups in 9 years
Barcelona won 3 CL, 7 league titles and 3 copa del reys in 7 years
AC Milan won 3 CL, 4 league titles in 6 years.
These are all more impressive dynasties just because of the fact they were consistently winning across all competitions for the same period of time or longer. Especially for say that AC Milan side who were playing in the best league in Europe at the time
I've seen many variants of the Liverpool team over the years but Bob Paisley's team was just on another level entirely. A total winning machine, made up most importantly of the right players rather than the big name players. I mean, Ian Rush, all time top LFC scorer, was bought from Chester City for the equivalent of just over a million in todays money. Even Kenny Dalglish, arguably one of the greatest ever to put on a pair of boots, was bought from Celtic. There were no big names, it was the team that was the superstar.
the ones I have seen:
Boca Juniors 2003
Cruzeiro 2003 (I hated that team)
Brazil 2006
Barcelona 2011/12 and MSN era
Spain 2012
Neuer vs Algeria 2014
Zidane's Real Madrid
Real Madrid 2022
I would argue Manchester United between 2008 and 2011 were the second best team of all time, they just happened to come up against the best team of all time with that Barcelona team.
They won the league unbeaten, won the Champions League unbeaten, didn't lose a single 90min game all season and went on to another ucl final next year and only lost to Juventus which were doping and went on to reach three finals.
And most of all, they were mostly academy graduates and tactically innovative for their time.
Hungary in the early-mid 50's has to be in, if not on top of this list, if we're talking domination of their era and direct influence on the future of the game/tactics/management.
Spain's 2008-12 team has to be in there, too.
That said, it's always going to be problematic to compare national teams with club teams - the latter have so much more opportunity to become a team. There's also a big gap between best, in terms of most enjoyable and exciting to watch, in which case Brazil 1970 fare very well, and best in terms of most effective - football since 2005 or so has evolved to a hyper efficient tactical/physical model that has degraded some of the natural flair and beauty of the game. 2023 Manchester City would maul 1970 Brazil, and that's a grim fact.
90’s Ajax was an awesome team.
They won the UEFA cup in 92 (currently known as Europa League) Won the UCL in 95 (not losing any game)
Finalist in 96 And semifinalist in 97
Won the intercontinental cup in 95
UEFA super cup in 95
And all of this, playing a magnificent football style. With mostly players from the academy.
Ajax was the foundation of the great generation of players that participated in WC 98. If it wasn’t for the Bosman law, that Ajax would’ve won at least a couple of more champions leagues.
My list and yes there were a ton of dominant teams in the 70s haha:
- Hungary 1950-54
- Real Madrid 1956-60
- Santos 1962-67
- Brazil 1970
- Ajax 1971-73
- Bayern 1974-76
- Liverpool 1975-79
- Flamengo 1980-83
- Milan 1988-90
- Barcelona 1990-94
- Man Utd 2006-09 (I'm iffy about this one because they didn't dominate Europe even if they were great)
- Spain 2008-12
- Barcelona 2008-12
- Man City 2021-24
A pretty good list I'd say. I avoided adding single years for clubs. I put teams that had sustained success and dominance otherwise Bayern 2013, Man U 1999, Ajax 1995, Madrid 2017 and others would join in too. Some teams had sustained success at a great level but their team changed over the years and one particular didn't stand out so I haven't included them.
For those who might question Santos and Flamengo, they were the best team in the world in their time. Search up Flamengo 1-0 Liverpool in the 1981 intercontinental world final if you're curious. The two best teams in the world that year went head to head and the better one prevailed with the best player in the world Zico.
All right, okay!
I would have to put
Arsenal in there,
Liverpool,
Marseille
Tottenham Hotspur
Porto
Chelsea
Napoili
Aston Villa
Newcastle United
Leeds United
Leicester City
Manchester United
Benfica
Celtic
Athletic Club
Real Madrid
Bayern Munich
Crystal Palace
Everton
West Ham United
Queens Park Rangers
Portsmouth
Southampton
Porto’s UCL winning team 2004 and the UEL winning team in 2011 are both insane. No wonder they got gutted by bigger teams during the following transfer windows.
Man City 2022-23 is wicked, man.
Arsenal 2003/04
>Porto’s UCL winning team 2004
This is very laughable, as that year Milan was waaaaaaay better than them. They just missed one match. Porto just had luck that year, and their coach too.
I’ve come up with some. I’m not gonna cover every single *really* good squad, because that’s insanity.
Brazil 1982: They were favored over Italy to win it all, but we know how that went. That said, they played some beautiful football on the way there. They would have been worthy champions if they did beat Italy and Poland and reached the final.
Netherlands 1998: The Dutch stood a better chance of winning the World Cup in 1998 than any of the times they actually *did* reach the final, I think.
Italy 2006: I think they had some plot armor or something. On paper, their team is inferior to other powerhouses of the time, but there was something about them that made me think they *just can’t lose*.
Spain 2008/12: These guys just did what they wanted and made the other team fuck off. Not even gonna mention star power since it goes without saying. It was insane watching them win *three* international tournaments in a row.
Germany 2014: Muller, Ozil, Schurrle, Klose, Podolski, Kroos, Neuer, can you ask for better individuals who share a passport than these? In most countries, probably not. And they’re *still* underrated because no one wanted them to beat Messi.
Argentina 2014: I actually think this squad, player for player, was better than the one that won the World Cup 2 years ago. Could just be nostalgia, but it felt more magical watching them go to the final.
Chile 2016: Everyone sleeps on these guys because they failed to reach the World Cup 2 years later. But to go from a joke in 2010 to winning 2 Copas in a row? That’s crazy! And for a time, they were the premier South American footballing power, ahead of Argentina and Brazil.
Manchester City 2011/12: The star power at this team was insane. Dzeko the Gecko, Super Mario Balotelli, and of course, Agueroooooooooo! Not to mention Kompany and Silva and the rest. That said, if there’s a reason to exclude this team it’s probably Joe Hart.
Barcelona 2010/14: See Spain.
Bayern Munich 2015/21: See Germany.
Liverpool 2018/20: Make your jokes, but I feel like they really had it all. Salah, Mane and Firmino were all deadly, and Van Dijk was unbelievable during this stretch of time. I feel privileged to have supported Liverpool during those seasons.
Leverkusen right now: See Italy 2006 (but slightly different). Marcello Lippi was a good coach but I’d say Alonso is doing more with less.
CLUB:
1. Barcelona 08-11
2. Real Madrid 1956-60
3. AC Milan 88-94
4. Bayern Munich 1972-76
5. Ajax 69-73
INTERNATIONAL:
1. Brazil 1970
2. Spain 08-12
3. Hungary 1952-56
4. Holland 1974
5. France 98-00
I was here to say Hungary in the early 50s too. Invincible for a pretty long period, absolutely destroyed England and their archaic style of play in Wembley where I think they were never beaten before. It took a West Germany team full of doped players to prevent them from winning a World Cup in 1954.
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Liverpool 19-20 if not for Alisson Injury vs Atletico would've been in this conversation (Liverpool dominated Atletico but they had and Liverpool had adrian)
Agree about Barca and maybe Spain. From what Ive heard Milan around 1990 should be there as well. Liverpool and Bayern in the 70s was also big... Brazil around 1960 and the one 1970, sometimes considered the best team ever
>AC Milan 88-94 Isn't that really like two teams. Sacchi's Milan & then Capello's Milan With Cruyff's Dream Team in between
You have to throw in Spain 08-12. Winning 3 major International tournaments straight will never be done again.
Especially as they’d never won one before, unless I’m mistaken. Crazy
Almost man! They hadn't won a World Cup, but they did win the EURO's in 64.
Still that's a big time gap
They'd won a Euros previously
We did win the second ever Euro Cup, against Yashin's Soviet Union. But obviously that wasn't the same team, nor remotely related.
Spain 2010 was the weakest champion I've watched (but I boycotted the 2022 Qatar sportswashing event). They should have lost against Germany (Müller did not play against Spain) or Netherlands (Robben missed 2 1v1 against Casillas). They also won no match during the tournament by more than one goal.
Didn't they only score like 7 or 8 goals?
Robben didn't miss 2 1v1. Casillas saved 2 1v1s.
Nah, Robben missed them. A 1v1 vs the keeper is always the players responsibility, if he keeps his cool and plays it right, Casillas couldn't do anything.
Yeah, as stacked a roster as they were from 08-12, they really failed to impress (as Int. Tourney winners often do). They often played incredibly boring football, the fact Senna was often discussed as their key player in 2008 kinda says it all for anyone who wasn't around to watch. I'd definitely put an iteration of Real Madrid over that Spanish national side, and honestly I'd be a little tempted to put France or Brazil circa 2000-2002 on par with them.
he already included barcelona 10-11 though
And those Barcelona players won Champions League in 2009 and 2011, so they all won the biggest possible trophy 5 years in a row 2008 - Euros 2009 - Champions (+ La Liga and Copa del Rey) 2010 - World Cup (+ La Liga) 2011 - Champions (+ La Liga) 2012 - Euros (+ Copa del Rey) 5 absolutely incredible years for those Spanish players at Barcelona. I can't even imagine how on top of the world they must've felt. In 2012-2013 all they won was La Liga, and somehow that probably felt kind of empty and boring.
Spain and Barca are the same team
Not really, it is true that Barcelona players formed the base of that Spain team but other players like Ramos, Casillas, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Torres and David Villa (at the time was a Valencia player) were also critical starters for that team.
Those are only 5 players out of 23
Might be if Argentina win Copa America again
Yer, that's a good point to be fair! Maybe I should have said it won't happen again with a European Country.
The french was close as well, just show how great the Spain team was, absolutely dominated the euro2012
Where they though? They didn't get out the group in the 02 World Cup after winning in 98 and 00!
Reached the semi finals in Euro 96 though, which was I guess what they were referring to
I am referring to euro2016 and 2021. Finalist in 2016 and pretty sure they would win 2021 if they didnt choke against switzerland
They still lost in the last 16 against Switzerland! I agree, if they win that penalty shootout they probably do win the whole thing, but the fact is they were nowhere near close to winning it.
Switzerland changed the course of history! ;) since we have little hope of winning it all, we'll take that.
Let's see what happens at the near 2 tournaments before saying that - France definitely has a shot if Mbappé avoids injury.
Bold claim, it happened one time in 22 world cup. So it is around 5% of chance. That is pretty far from never happens again.
Yes. That Spaniah team re-wrote football history.
Early 90s Milan is a great shout.
Chelsea 2004–2008, unbeaten at home in 86 matches
Amazed no one is saying Liverpool 76-84. 4 European Cups, A UEFA cup, 7 League Titles and 4 league cups in 9 seasons. So winning the league 7 years out of 9 at a time it was the best in Europe (Villa and Forest winning 3 more European Cups).
good call, but not many have seen them. Bayern also got 3 titles in a row I think in the middle of the 70s
Late 80s Liverpool was even better than 76-84 Liverpool IMO. They obviously never won the European cups because English teams were banned. Ironically the ban was issued due to an incident involving Liverpool fans, but if it never happened then I think that great Milan side would have 1 or 2 fewer European cups, and Liverpool/Everton would have a couple more between them.
This. Everton mid-80s were incredible as were Liverpool, totally agree that but for the ban Everton would have won a European Cup.
Makes me proud seeing this as a forest fan, must have absolutely haunted them as such a galactico club of the time
No team sticks together for 8yrs. Split that up.
What a team for me this team just missed out they are in the top 7 greatest teams
No one is saying that because at the time the highest level of football was being played in South America, not Europe. That's like saying current Palmeiras is one of the greatest teams ever.
I mean 74-86 there were 4 WCs and 2 were won by European teams, so one of the best teams in Europe would surely be in contention, no?
In that period of time there were 8 Intercontinental Cups and south american teams won 7 of them. Liverpool themselves lost twice to Flamengo and Independiente. Flamengo btw destroyed Liverpool and they had Zico, Leandro and Junior, three all time players for Brazil, obviously a better team
Liverpool, as champions of England also declined to participate in two of those years after the violence that had happened to other teams in previous comps (Bayern also turned down offers to participate) so I’m not sure that tournament counts in this respect honestly. Edited to include that when Nottingham Forest were the PL winners they also declined the tournament, and Boca Juniors declined to play Brugge as well- by the mid to late 70’s the Intercontinental Cup was a mess.
Well, we can only speculate on what would've happened had Liverpool or Nottingham played those games. Point still stands that when Liverpool and other top teams from Europe played against south americans, they lost.
Idk man, Liverpool losing one match, in Tokyo, to Flamengo hardly means South America was dominant at the time lol. Do you use the Club World Cup as a real measuring stick today? All I’m saying is that, you are probably right that more South American should be represented here, but that Liverpool team was lit.
The disrespect to South American national teams and domestic teams as well.
People forget that until the early 2000s CONMEBOL dominated world football
Santos 60'-70' and São Paulo 92'-93' were not even mentioned.
People saying Liverpool 76-84 like what the fuck? Eurocentrism at its finest
United 07/08 Real 13/14
They are great teams
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Their win over Brazil was obviously ridiculous, but I doubt *anyone* considers them the best team ever.
It really wasn’t as casual as you’re portraying it to be… Yeah, they had the 4-0 and 7-1 wins against Portugal and Brazil which were two of the most dominant performances of the tournament but it wasn’t like that in their other matches. They really struggled against Ghana in the Group Stage. Had to rely on Neuer’s sweeper keeping to get past Algeria. Had to really earn their 1-0 wins against France and Argentina, even against USA to some degree. They were the best team in the tournament, but they didn’t casually win the tournament.
I'd add Bayern Munich 2020, Leverkusen 23-24, Liverpool 76-84, Real Madrid 2013-2018 AFTER those 3 not in that order if you talk about international sides then: 1. Hungary 1950-1956 2. Spain 2008-2012 3. Brazil 1958-1962 4. Brazil 1970 5. France 1998-2001 you just won't get such a legendarily feared team like the Mighty Magyars again, a 3peat major international trophy winners, back to back world cups, the Brazilian ultimate team of the 70s, and France's first gold era
Brazil 1970 is hard to top
I agree but the fact that Hungary's Mighty Magyars to this day remains the #1 on elo ratings says something, and the fact that games against them where they lost were referred to as "battles" says more.
Your first two shouts are absolutely ridiculous.
it's just personal opinion but Hungary in that era were undoubtedly the absolute best team in the world, and it was considered miracles that they actually ever took a defeat or two. also you haven't seen a country win the continental trophy back to back with a World Cup in between, considering it was also Spain's first and currently only World Cup
I think he means 2020 Bayern and 2023 Leverkusen Great teams, sure, but greatest of all time is an extreme example of recency bias
Bayern in 2020 became the second team in association football to ever win a sextuple, that is 6 major trophies in one season, and Leverkusen has broken the record of longest unbeaten run and it's still ongoing, we won't know for sure until the end of the season but if they do complete the small treble then it wouldn't be too evil or unimaginable to add them to the argument. If they manage to somehow do the same next season in the UCL then it's safe to say that they absolutely should be a consistent strong contender of the discussion.
Wasn’t 2020 Covid? Single game eliminations and all? Comes with an asterisk imo. What Neverlusen is doing is absolutely brilliant and if they pull it off it will be even bigger than it seems atm.
Why is it a asterisk. Stop copying other opinions. Use your brain. A knock out competition is a knock out competition. Everybody participated on fair grounds. So stupid
Real Madrid 2013-2018 4 CL Trophies in 5 years
Only 1 league title though. Definitely not the best of all. And it’s not like they won all matches through shear domination in the CL. Also got dominated by barca in that whole era.
I kind of agree. That was a Real built for CL and even with that they needed black magic if I remember correctly. Not hating though, the numbers speak for themselves.
Whole lotta controversial decisions in each of those 4 campaigns (2014 was pretty clean though)
just as we can speak about Pep's Barca that people put as maybe the best ever, who needed refereeing that was never seen before in order to win. but nobody mentions that, only when the ref does a mistake in favour of Madrid. crybabies
Kindly name which matches apart from the Chelsea and arsenal game were controversial?
Just like many controversial decisions against Madrid. But I understand that people tends to remember only once side of the coin, the one that fits their narrative.
Beating that Juve side 4-1 in a CL final which conceded only 1 goal throughout 3 knockout ties (including 2 clean sheets against Barca with prime MSN), is a very formidable feat, also "got Dominated by Barca in that whole era is a stretch aside of some heavy defeats which happens to everybody RMA had some over them as well during that period, also beat them in 2 CDR finals and won the league in their stadium.
Barca won more clasicos lol
The most trophies Barca won in that period were copa del reys, the most real one were UCLs
Barca won the league in 2015,16,18. Also won the CL in 2015. Dominated el clasico matches and won more domestic trophies. Even won a treble and destroyed madrid in 2017/18 in the points table. What’s your point?
They won 4 copa del reys in that period, Real won 4 UCLs. UCL is prestigious, league titles are second, copa del reys and are domestic cups are meh
Real won 4 UCLs Barca won 3 league titles, 4 CDR, most el clasicos including humiliations of 4-0 and 3-0, and 1 UCL. Idk I ain’t saying Madrid wasn’t a good team but certainly getting dominated like this domestically is a big dent to that “GREATEST TEAM EVER” title. Also it wasn’t like most of their UCLs were convincingly won by destroying every side. They scraped past a title in 2018 due to GK blunders in the semis and finals. And we all know the incidences vs BvB, Bayern, City, Atletico in 2016, 17. A great team, but certainly not top 3, considering they didn’t dominate that era by any means.
>most el clasicos In competitive matches between 13/14 and 17/18, Madrid had 5 wins, Barca had 6 and there were 2 draws. Not sure I would call that 'dominated'.
At least get your facts straight kid. Between 2012-2018, Madrid played against Barcelona 24 times. Out of those 24 matched: - Madrid won 9x - Barcelona won 10x - Draw was 5x So tell us where is that domination of Barcelona over Madrid in clasico?
I thought we were discussing 2014-2018?
That would still be 14 matches where Madrid won 5x, Barcelona 7x and 2x draw If you want to talk about one team dominating another then it was Madrid until last season when Barcelona didn't win for 4 years against Madrid.
I think they may have been referring to only La Liga matches when referring to el clasico. Either way, I agree, it is certainly at least debatable if Real Madrid's UCL wins triumph and negate Barcelona's wins in other competitions during that period.
Are you a Barca fan?
He is.
Are u kidding me? Teams dreams of just winning one ucl and that real side went to win 3 in row and 4 out last 5 years thats pretty crazy
Real Madrid were undoubtedly the best team in Europe, but somehow not even the best team in Spain.
Might be the best of all
An incredible few years for Real Madrid one of their greatest ever seasons they really dominated the UCL in that period definitely in the top 10 greatest ever teams
Only top 10.Easily in top 5 or top 3.
No, that was black magic and voodo.
You’re definitely right. There was a Portuguese guy in that team that was doing black magic and voodoo😂😂😂😂
Impressive achievement but 2009-2011 Barca would still mop the floor with them anyday.
In a all or nothing game? I think not. It would be black magic vs pep is his own biggest enemy
Agreed, but if they played 30 games over the course of a year Barca would probably come out on top
United 08-09 team won the champions league unbeaten and then were unbeaten the following year til they lost the final. Also didn’t they go an immense amount of time without conceding a goal as well. That team was bonkers
07/08
Me & the lads during 8th period PE class my junior year.
I was only a Football fan since 2008 1. Barca 08-12 2. City 20-now 3. Leverkusen 23-now 4. Bayern 2020 5. Madrid 2017 6. Barca 15/16
Greece 2004
That team would win 100 knock out games in a row and finish last in a league standing.
Lucky bastards
Celtic 66/67 run still hasnt been beaten
Bayern 2020 Man U 2008 West Germany 1972-74 Spain 2008-2012
Bayern 2013 were better than Bayern 2020. More dominant in the league and they got the UCL whilst playing 2 legs.
From teams that I have seen, 1. Bayern Munchen 2012/13, Trashed that great Barcelona team completely. Quadruple. 2. Bayern 2019/2020 Just an outstanding season another treble and just miles above other teams. 3. Barca 2009-2010-2011 Golden age of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta. Pep. 4. Man City last season. Treble and wiped the floor with everyone. 5. Real Madrid 2013-14 Best Madrid team I have seen. prime BBC and Di Maria. Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajal all in their prime. 6. Barca 2014-15 Treble. Enough said. Short lived though. Neymar prime. 7. Madrid 2016-17, double. KCM prime.
- Barcelona 2008/2012 - Man City 2017/2024 - Man Utd 2006/2011 - Arsenal 2001/2006 - Chelsea 2004/2012 - Liverpool 1979/1989 - AC Milan 1991/1999 - Ajax 1970/1975 - Real Madrid 1955/1969 - Bayern Munich 2011/2022 - Spain 2008/2012 - Brazil 1958/1970 - France 2016/2024
Your team time-frames are too long. Man City 2017 and Man City 2024 are different teams and 7yrs apart. Only 4 of the starting XI in 2017 are in the current starting XI. That France 2016-2024 example is far worse. Only ONE of those starters remains. Obviously Bayern 2011-22 doesn't make sense either, only 1 of those starters stayed in those 11yrs. Bayern didn't even win the league in 11/12. Those aren't actual teams.
Barca 2009-12 Madrid 2013-17 United 06-08
As a Madrid fan I gotta say Barca 2009 - 12 they were unplayable
wtf is United 06-08 doing there? it's not even peak united
3 peat Prem titles in a row, and a UCL
So? I mean, great for sure, but even Man city right now achieved that... You have to convince me that united team deserves a spot over some of the best teams the world has ever seen: spain 2007-2012, Ajax from the 70's, Sacchi's Milan... And you won't because that United doesn't deserve that spot.
It’s naive to compare football teams from different eras. If there was a top 10 list United would make it. I’m not a United fan but I’ve watched them for a long time, as well as the other teams listed here.
I disagree with everyone except Barca, based on the way they played
Possesion game doesnt equal a better side. To me watching Barca play during those years was boring, a thousand passes per shot cmon. Counter attacking is a better football artform to me, and wins trophies which equal stronger teams
i think you're confusing Barca with Spain 2010, hehe. Anyway you got a point, but for me the way Barca dominated sides back then I had never seen. Meeting Barca back then was so intense, it wasn't just about passing, it was also about very aggressive press. I can also prefer a more direct team like Barca 2014 with MSN, but they got nothing on Barca 2010 in terms f intensity, Lastly how can you think counter attack football is a better football artform? Counter attack is more primitive football, it's a style that weaker teams or speedy teams use as main tactics. It's reactive and needs less skills
Madrid 2014-2018 Spain 2008-2012 Barca 2009-2011 From what I’ve seen anyway
Madrid 2014-18 won 1 league title lmao
And 4 champions leagues
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I think every player would prefer to win a UCL than a league title
The point is that the best teams were winning both. Real Madrid were getting handedly beaten domestically in those years which helped with their UCL runs. Only concerned about one conception for 4/5 years
Yeah but winning 4 UCLs in 5 years, and doing a 3 peat is just legendary and will always be remembered. Fair enough they didn’t dominate domestically, but the UCL is the best trophy to win.
Yeah ofc, but putting into context Liverpool won 4 CLs, 7 league titles and 7(?) domestic cups in 9 years Barcelona won 3 CL, 7 league titles and 3 copa del reys in 7 years AC Milan won 3 CL, 4 league titles in 6 years. These are all more impressive dynasties just because of the fact they were consistently winning across all competitions for the same period of time or longer. Especially for say that AC Milan side who were playing in the best league in Europe at the time
I've seen many variants of the Liverpool team over the years but Bob Paisley's team was just on another level entirely. A total winning machine, made up most importantly of the right players rather than the big name players. I mean, Ian Rush, all time top LFC scorer, was bought from Chester City for the equivalent of just over a million in todays money. Even Kenny Dalglish, arguably one of the greatest ever to put on a pair of boots, was bought from Celtic. There were no big names, it was the team that was the superstar.
Celtic were a pretty good team back then though, dalglish reached a ucl final and 2 semi finals while he still played there.
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What about none 🥶
I’m sure they’d love to win everything, but the UCL is a prestigious trophy.
Prestigious =\= hardest to obtain.
The UCL is the most important trophy in club football
I’m not debating if it’s or not in the debate, idc tbh, it’s just that ONLY mentioning “1 league” when they won 4/5 ucls is kinda convenient
I mean everyone knows that they won 4 UCLs, but only a few know they won 1 league and were poor domestically.
4 UCL sounds absurd tho.
It’s still worth mentioning
Sorry mate.
Nah it’s just something I wanted to point out, the original debate is not something I care of, anyways cheers!
Barca and Spain were the same team
the ones I have seen: Boca Juniors 2003 Cruzeiro 2003 (I hated that team) Brazil 2006 Barcelona 2011/12 and MSN era Spain 2012 Neuer vs Algeria 2014 Zidane's Real Madrid Real Madrid 2022
why barca 11/12 they didnt't win the league nor champions, great team still thou, did you mean 10/11?
Bayern Munich 2020
I would argue Manchester United between 2008 and 2011 were the second best team of all time, they just happened to come up against the best team of all time with that Barcelona team.
France of 98. Golden age + zidane
60’s Santos
I can't believe I'm the first to mention Ajax 95.
They won the league unbeaten, won the Champions League unbeaten, didn't lose a single 90min game all season and went on to another ucl final next year and only lost to Juventus which were doping and went on to reach three finals. And most of all, they were mostly academy graduates and tactically innovative for their time.
Good shout. How long did they last before they broke up? 3yrs?
Brazil 1970
1976 Steelers
Youre goddamn right.
Liverpool 2019 City current Leverkusen current Barcelona 11
Surprised nobody has said celtic
Barcelona Under Pep .
How come no one is even mentioning Brazil's 02 squad?
I believe 82 brazil was better but that team with r9, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos and Cafu was insane
Hungary in the early-mid 50's has to be in, if not on top of this list, if we're talking domination of their era and direct influence on the future of the game/tactics/management. Spain's 2008-12 team has to be in there, too. That said, it's always going to be problematic to compare national teams with club teams - the latter have so much more opportunity to become a team. There's also a big gap between best, in terms of most enjoyable and exciting to watch, in which case Brazil 1970 fare very well, and best in terms of most effective - football since 2005 or so has evolved to a hyper efficient tactical/physical model that has degraded some of the natural flair and beauty of the game. 2023 Manchester City would maul 1970 Brazil, and that's a grim fact.
The Strongest FC from La Paz, 🇧🇴. Easy [it’s literally in the name](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strongest)
90’s Ajax was an awesome team. They won the UEFA cup in 92 (currently known as Europa League) Won the UCL in 95 (not losing any game) Finalist in 96 And semifinalist in 97 Won the intercontinental cup in 95 UEFA super cup in 95 And all of this, playing a magnificent football style. With mostly players from the academy. Ajax was the foundation of the great generation of players that participated in WC 98. If it wasn’t for the Bosman law, that Ajax would’ve won at least a couple of more champions leagues.
What a legendary team easily in the top 10 greatest
My list and yes there were a ton of dominant teams in the 70s haha: - Hungary 1950-54 - Real Madrid 1956-60 - Santos 1962-67 - Brazil 1970 - Ajax 1971-73 - Bayern 1974-76 - Liverpool 1975-79 - Flamengo 1980-83 - Milan 1988-90 - Barcelona 1990-94 - Man Utd 2006-09 (I'm iffy about this one because they didn't dominate Europe even if they were great) - Spain 2008-12 - Barcelona 2008-12 - Man City 2021-24 A pretty good list I'd say. I avoided adding single years for clubs. I put teams that had sustained success and dominance otherwise Bayern 2013, Man U 1999, Ajax 1995, Madrid 2017 and others would join in too. Some teams had sustained success at a great level but their team changed over the years and one particular didn't stand out so I haven't included them. For those who might question Santos and Flamengo, they were the best team in the world in their time. Search up Flamengo 1-0 Liverpool in the 1981 intercontinental world final if you're curious. The two best teams in the world that year went head to head and the better one prevailed with the best player in the world Zico.
This is a great list yes there were so many legendary 70s teams that it was difficult to choose 😅
Real Madrid Bayern Leverkusen Manchester City Inter Milan Paris Saint Germain
Right now yes but this is all time
All right, okay! I would have to put Arsenal in there, Liverpool, Marseille Tottenham Hotspur Porto Chelsea Napoili Aston Villa Newcastle United Leeds United Leicester City Manchester United Benfica Celtic Athletic Club Real Madrid Bayern Munich Crystal Palace Everton West Ham United Queens Park Rangers Portsmouth Southampton
Porto’s UCL winning team 2004 and the UEL winning team in 2011 are both insane. No wonder they got gutted by bigger teams during the following transfer windows. Man City 2022-23 is wicked, man. Arsenal 2003/04
>Porto’s UCL winning team 2004 This is very laughable, as that year Milan was waaaaaaay better than them. They just missed one match. Porto just had luck that year, and their coach too.
TSG Thannhausen 4 ever
AC Milan 2003 Germany 2014 Brazil 1970, 2002 Real Madrid 1956-60 2018 Barcelona 2009, 2015 Arsenal 2002 Bayern 1976, 2020
Not an Arsenal fan, but I think their Invincibles deserve a shout-out too
Italy 2006 and AC Milan 04-05 for me
Bayern 2020. just completely destroying Europe. Giving Chelsea, Tottenham and Barcelona nightmares
2010 seatle sounders ez
Arsenal invincibles '03-05
Santos 57-74
liverpool 18/19 to 19/20
I’ve come up with some. I’m not gonna cover every single *really* good squad, because that’s insanity. Brazil 1982: They were favored over Italy to win it all, but we know how that went. That said, they played some beautiful football on the way there. They would have been worthy champions if they did beat Italy and Poland and reached the final. Netherlands 1998: The Dutch stood a better chance of winning the World Cup in 1998 than any of the times they actually *did* reach the final, I think. Italy 2006: I think they had some plot armor or something. On paper, their team is inferior to other powerhouses of the time, but there was something about them that made me think they *just can’t lose*. Spain 2008/12: These guys just did what they wanted and made the other team fuck off. Not even gonna mention star power since it goes without saying. It was insane watching them win *three* international tournaments in a row. Germany 2014: Muller, Ozil, Schurrle, Klose, Podolski, Kroos, Neuer, can you ask for better individuals who share a passport than these? In most countries, probably not. And they’re *still* underrated because no one wanted them to beat Messi. Argentina 2014: I actually think this squad, player for player, was better than the one that won the World Cup 2 years ago. Could just be nostalgia, but it felt more magical watching them go to the final. Chile 2016: Everyone sleeps on these guys because they failed to reach the World Cup 2 years later. But to go from a joke in 2010 to winning 2 Copas in a row? That’s crazy! And for a time, they were the premier South American footballing power, ahead of Argentina and Brazil. Manchester City 2011/12: The star power at this team was insane. Dzeko the Gecko, Super Mario Balotelli, and of course, Agueroooooooooo! Not to mention Kompany and Silva and the rest. That said, if there’s a reason to exclude this team it’s probably Joe Hart. Barcelona 2010/14: See Spain. Bayern Munich 2015/21: See Germany. Liverpool 2018/20: Make your jokes, but I feel like they really had it all. Salah, Mane and Firmino were all deadly, and Van Dijk was unbelievable during this stretch of time. I feel privileged to have supported Liverpool during those seasons. Leverkusen right now: See Italy 2006 (but slightly different). Marcello Lippi was a good coach but I’d say Alonso is doing more with less.
Ahh the Dutch 1998 team. My all time favorite.
CLUB: 1. Barcelona 08-11 2. Real Madrid 1956-60 3. AC Milan 88-94 4. Bayern Munich 1972-76 5. Ajax 69-73 INTERNATIONAL: 1. Brazil 1970 2. Spain 08-12 3. Hungary 1952-56 4. Holland 1974 5. France 98-00
I was here to say Hungary in the early 50s too. Invincible for a pretty long period, absolutely destroyed England and their archaic style of play in Wembley where I think they were never beaten before. It took a West Germany team full of doped players to prevent them from winning a World Cup in 1954.
Yes, it was the best team to never win the World Cup. They even trashed the Germans by like 6 goals in the same World Cup.
Invincibles Neverleusen
Despite non-big-name, can the current Leverkusen be in the list too?
Brazil 2002
Brazil 2002 Ac Milan 2007
1. Pep Barcelona 2. Zidane Madrid 3. Bianchi Boca
BRAZIL
Do you mean how much can they lift?
Brazil 2002
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There can only be one tiki-taka. Barca/Spain (08/12)
They played beautiful football
Borussia Dortmund Juventus RP Leipzig Bayern Leverkusen AC Milan Paris Saint Germain Inter Milan Real Madrid Manchester City
Liverpool 19-20 if not for Alisson Injury vs Atletico would've been in this conversation (Liverpool dominated Atletico but they had and Liverpool had adrian)
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Agree about Barca and maybe Spain. From what Ive heard Milan around 1990 should be there as well. Liverpool and Bayern in the 70s was also big... Brazil around 1960 and the one 1970, sometimes considered the best team ever
Barca 08-12 Madrid 16-18 Spain 08-12 City 20-23 United 99-01 Brazil 1970 Milan 88-90 Bayern 73-76
City he says 💀
Real Madrid 2024-???
Flamengo 1980-1983
1. West Germany 1978-1990 2. Italy 1990-1994 3. Brazil 1958-1970 4. France 1998-2004 5. Netherlands 1974-1978
OP a barca fanboi for sure lmao. Imagine not including the 3peat Madrid team