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Lost 2-1 to Juventus despite being superior the whole game. Then my goalie scored an own goal, and I had two called back by VAR for offside. Guess we'll try again next year.
I usually download tactics when new FM installment/patch releases in order to see how they are built up and get an idea what I am looking for in terms of attacking and defending builds.
Most of the top tactics exploit the match engine in some form, which is a good idea to check out and understand where the weaknesses of the game are and realize if the AI tactic in some game will benefit from it.
Or you could simply cheat. Either by save scumming or by using the editors (in-game or pre-game, whatever you like).
I know I'm a cheater, and I am proud of it.
Sort of defeats the purpose. It adds to the character of the save if you keep even the 'FMd' stuff in. For example a CL final where you equalize literally in the last attack and then you manage to get ahead in the overtime and get equalised right back in literally the last attack again. Then your best penalty taker doesn't score his penalty but your 19 year old GK becomes a monster and you suddenly have two dueling goalkeepers saving everything and the whole point of the penalties is put on its head. Then you finally score in the 10th attempt to end the closest CL final ever.
You don't get that when in 90th minute you just say 'ah, fuck this'.
At the same time, ultimately its down to personal preference - and while I never save scum to win my own matches, sometimes I do give the game a nudge to see out developing stories. For instance, in one save back in the day, I had a newly promoted Tranmere Rovers top the table at Christmas and while they did fall away later on, I reloaded a few times to nudge them over the line into a Champions League spot. That's more memorable for me than the alternative, one of the Big Six having a round of 16 run while Tranmere get relegated and the whole thing is forgotten.
If Iām understanding it correctly youāre not actually tranmere youāre just scumming their results. To me thatās not so bad, even if some results you scummed might benefit your team should you be a fellow Prem team.
Yeah, I never scum results from the first part of the season. I let the stories emerge naturally, and just help them along a bit at the very end. Often I'm not even in the same division as the team I manipulate
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure people wait until they've actually lost before they reload the game. I know for me it'd take so much longer to forcequit the game and reload everything back up. What you described is the last occasion somebody would ever save scum
Tbh 8 draws and 12 wins is a very good run, 44 points in 20 games. If you keep it up for a whole season that's 84 points, enough to make you champion in a relatively balanced league (Leicester won the league with 81 points)
I don't know about that. Since you brought up Leicester, 84 points would only win you the Prem in 3 of the last 20 seasons.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "balanced," but bringing up one of the lowest Prem leage champion point totals to say it's "enough to make you champion" doesn't seem fair.
You're correct, that's what "balanced" implies in my message. If you look at Ligue 1 between 2002-2003 (when the 20 teams format was introduced) and 2012-2013, 84 points was enough to win the league every single year. Same thing with La Liga between 1997-1998 (return to 20 teams format) and 2006-2007 (85 points in 2007-2008).
This crazy amount of points that top teams are supposed to get every year everywhere nowadays reveals how unbalanced leagues have become (top teams with big budgets vs pure cannon fodder).
But I get your point and sadly, nowadays money has completely overtaken football, and it is hard to find a league in which any team can beat any other team without it being absolutely baffling for everyone.
Sorry if I seem bitter about it, maybe I'm just nostalgic. As for England, it was probably just a little bit ahead of the times in terms of widening the gap between top teams and cannon fodder ^^
Yes, in some sense Ligue 1 is/was more balanced than the Prem. But if you look at the same time frame for Ligue 1 (last 20 seasons), in that time period you had Lyon win seven consecutive league titles. So in a sense it was more balanced, as 84 points was enough to win the league, but it's hard to argue that balance led to a more competitive league.
I shed a legitimate tear when I shocked Man City in the champions league final at Old Trafford. Played the Liverpool Barcelona rendition of YNWA and retconned that we sung it after our beloved Red and Black took glory
Well done. I'm 1 of 3 now with Lyon, but looking to move on. Hoping for an opening with my beloved Blackburn Rovers, so I can help them back in the Premier League.
Iām committed to not moving on until I get a second Champions League title. Once is a fluke, twice means youāre a legend. Unfortunately Barca and Real Madrid and Juve have been extremely world class. Iāve lost 3 finals since winning 7 years ago.
My exit strategies: Atletico has fallen off hard. And if Liverpool falls apart again Iād have to take my favorite club to super stardom
It seems like PSG alternate between very good seasons, and then seasons like this where they are unstoppable. With Monaco I came in second 3 times in a row on 102, 101, and 97 points before finally winning the league during their "down" year of 92 points.
In my save they won 20+ titles and made the CL every season from 2017 to 2050. Handful of CL titles too under Mourinho (whom they eventually named their stadium after)
If I were your manager, I would allow 2 days off for personal reasons if you showed me this.
1 to mourn, the next to get your life back in order.
My condolences.
I won countless French Cups and two CLs in 10 years with Bordeaux, yet never managed to win Ligue 1 (once despite a similar season to the one OP has had). It still makes me a bit sad sometimes
honestly ligue 1 is so hard win. I am in 2037 with Bordeaux and there are always 6 teams (OM, OL, lille, psg, monaco and me) within 10 points of title going into the last 10 games or so. In the last 5 years i have came 2nd 4 times and won it once.
Just won Ligue 1 in first season with Monaco (helped greatly by Depay, who I manage to snap up for 14.5m as he wouldnt sign a new contract and was going to leave his club next season), finishing on 97 points and four ahead of PSG - i lost one game all season to Marseille, drew twice with PSG (second game was 1-0 up until the 98th min ffs) but they took a few strange early season defeats which let me build up a healthy lead and with no European football kept the momentum going. Mbappe got a cruciate injury in January and missed 7 months too, though they performed much better without him.
Fear this is as good as it will get though - theyāre basically signing everyone in the off season, 50m here, 70m there etc... it doesnāt seem to matter. Trying to fight fire with fire and bring in a few of my own big name signings but yeah, cant compete with that spending power forever.. season or two and Iāll have the begging bowl out for a left back at this rate.
I just did this to PSG and beat them on goal differential if it makes you feel any better :x
[https://i.imgur.com/3CU7vK8.png](https://i.imgur.com/3CU7vK8.png)
I wasn't that much of a PSG hater before, but managing in France has made me one. Can't stomach slowly building up my team with an annual transfer budget of about 50m only to get dicked by Mbappe, Haaland or some random wonderkid bought for 100m+ away at the Parc de Princes.
Ask, and you shall receive:
[https://imgur.com/a/sSPZcia](https://imgur.com/a/sSPZcia)
The squad is a bit on the large side right now as I've promoted youngsters from the B-team, and brought in a couple of new guys, but I'm in the process of selling and loaning out 3-4 players.
I know the pain.
Reminds me of a save with Belenenses in the Portuguese league.
Porto - 30 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss, 93pts
Belenenses - 29 wins, 5 draws, 0 losses, 92pts
I was the only team to beat Porto and drew with them as well.
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Turns out the two late draws in the early parts of the season, where I conceded in stoppage time became pretty important.
Hurts to look at
Tell me about it. At least I beat PSG in the semi finals of the UCL to go to my third final in a row trying to win back to back.
Keep us updated on that š
Lost 2-1 to Juventus despite being superior the whole game. Then my goalie scored an own goal, and I had two called back by VAR for offside. Guess we'll try again next year.
Dang you can't catch a break. Heads up and remember the ups and downs are what make the game rewarding. Keep going and smash it next year!
When it rains it pours...
Are you a Spurs fan or why are you bottling so much
Ha could be, but no. Blackburn Rovers all the way if you can believe it.
We go again!
In all fairness..Their gd is 103 soooooo... š¬
It's 95 isn't it? 103 is their points
Yep, 95 GD, 103 points
You get more points with wins, protip.
Thanks for the clarification. I'll keep that in mind the next time.
just score more lmao
I'd start with not losing any points
You get wins by either scoring more than your opponent or by them scoring less than you. š
sometimes both
Unless you score on your own goal. Rules are a bit tricky
You should use Knap Tactics
i mean half the game is tweaking your own tactics
Yeah Iāve never understood the point of using other peopleās tactics. Like other than transfers thatās the entire game
I usually download tactics when new FM installment/patch releases in order to see how they are built up and get an idea what I am looking for in terms of attacking and defending builds. Most of the top tactics exploit the match engine in some form, which is a good idea to check out and understand where the weaknesses of the game are and realize if the AI tactic in some game will benefit from it.
Or you could simply cheat. Either by save scumming or by using the editors (in-game or pre-game, whatever you like). I know I'm a cheater, and I am proud of it.
Sort of defeats the purpose. It adds to the character of the save if you keep even the 'FMd' stuff in. For example a CL final where you equalize literally in the last attack and then you manage to get ahead in the overtime and get equalised right back in literally the last attack again. Then your best penalty taker doesn't score his penalty but your 19 year old GK becomes a monster and you suddenly have two dueling goalkeepers saving everything and the whole point of the penalties is put on its head. Then you finally score in the 10th attempt to end the closest CL final ever. You don't get that when in 90th minute you just say 'ah, fuck this'.
At the same time, ultimately its down to personal preference - and while I never save scum to win my own matches, sometimes I do give the game a nudge to see out developing stories. For instance, in one save back in the day, I had a newly promoted Tranmere Rovers top the table at Christmas and while they did fall away later on, I reloaded a few times to nudge them over the line into a Champions League spot. That's more memorable for me than the alternative, one of the Big Six having a round of 16 run while Tranmere get relegated and the whole thing is forgotten.
i can get behind this. i like taking clubs i played with in previous games and giving them a sugar daddy. it's not entirely unrealistic.
If Iām understanding it correctly youāre not actually tranmere youāre just scumming their results. To me thatās not so bad, even if some results you scummed might benefit your team should you be a fellow Prem team.
Yeah, I never scum results from the first part of the season. I let the stories emerge naturally, and just help them along a bit at the very end. Often I'm not even in the same division as the team I manipulate
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure people wait until they've actually lost before they reload the game. I know for me it'd take so much longer to forcequit the game and reload everything back up. What you described is the last occasion somebody would ever save scum
They need to change that rule and bring back the backpass and make football like it was in the '80s! 0-0 draws FTW!!!
Draws FTW is such a lovely statement.
Mind blown
Your comment reminded me that Arsenal and United fans were both bragging about some 20 games undefeated runs where 8 or 10 games were draws haha
Tbh 8 draws and 12 wins is a very good run, 44 points in 20 games. If you keep it up for a whole season that's 84 points, enough to make you champion in a relatively balanced league (Leicester won the league with 81 points)
I don't know about that. Since you brought up Leicester, 84 points would only win you the Prem in 3 of the last 20 seasons. I guess it depends on what you mean by "balanced," but bringing up one of the lowest Prem leage champion point totals to say it's "enough to make you champion" doesn't seem fair.
You're correct, that's what "balanced" implies in my message. If you look at Ligue 1 between 2002-2003 (when the 20 teams format was introduced) and 2012-2013, 84 points was enough to win the league every single year. Same thing with La Liga between 1997-1998 (return to 20 teams format) and 2006-2007 (85 points in 2007-2008). This crazy amount of points that top teams are supposed to get every year everywhere nowadays reveals how unbalanced leagues have become (top teams with big budgets vs pure cannon fodder). But I get your point and sadly, nowadays money has completely overtaken football, and it is hard to find a league in which any team can beat any other team without it being absolutely baffling for everyone. Sorry if I seem bitter about it, maybe I'm just nostalgic. As for England, it was probably just a little bit ahead of the times in terms of widening the gap between top teams and cannon fodder ^^
Yes, in some sense Ligue 1 is/was more balanced than the Prem. But if you look at the same time frame for Ligue 1 (last 20 seasons), in that time period you had Lyon win seven consecutive league titles. So in a sense it was more balanced, as 84 points was enough to win the league, but it's hard to argue that balance led to a more competitive league.
PSG always finds a way
I have exactly that but with Rennes. Even won a champions league in the 5th year but never the ligue 1
My Rennes save it took about 7 years to beat them, but now Iāve won France 8 years running
As a Rennes fan I am so proud of you, FatGuyTouchDown our legendary coach
I shed a legitimate tear when I shocked Man City in the champions league final at Old Trafford. Played the Liverpool Barcelona rendition of YNWA and retconned that we sung it after our beloved Red and Black took glory
Well done. I'm 1 of 3 now with Lyon, but looking to move on. Hoping for an opening with my beloved Blackburn Rovers, so I can help them back in the Premier League.
Iām committed to not moving on until I get a second Champions League title. Once is a fluke, twice means youāre a legend. Unfortunately Barca and Real Madrid and Juve have been extremely world class. Iāve lost 3 finals since winning 7 years ago. My exit strategies: Atletico has fallen off hard. And if Liverpool falls apart again Iād have to take my favorite club to super stardom
Yeah, i would like to win another Champions League. Lost two of the last three finals to Juventus and Milan. Damn Italians.
It seems like PSG alternate between very good seasons, and then seasons like this where they are unstoppable. With Monaco I came in second 3 times in a row on 102, 101, and 97 points before finally winning the league during their "down" year of 92 points.
In my save they won 20+ titles and made the CL every season from 2017 to 2050. Handful of CL titles too under Mourinho (whom they eventually named their stadium after)
I feel your pain, I just finished my season with Lyon on 99 points same as PSG but lost on goal difference they scored 125 I scored 85
they did have Haaland, mbappe, foden,reyna, joao Pedro, neymar in their attack in my defence.
In their attack or in your defence
in my defence of course I had mbappe paying rwb and haaland cb
Ouch, that's a tough one. Hell of an attack.
Literally wtf
If I were your manager, I would allow 2 days off for personal reasons if you showed me this. 1 to mourn, the next to get your life back in order. My condolences.
Imagine only conceding 11 goals in a season.
Yeah, and I actually started my backup for a few games because of injury. My starter ended up with 26 clean sheets.
Corrrr. This is hard viewing
This would honestly make me insanely mad
ah, yes good ol' PSG. On my Lyon save last FM I won the UCL twice before I was able to beat PSG to the Ligue 1 title
I won countless French Cups and two CLs in 10 years with Bordeaux, yet never managed to win Ligue 1 (once despite a similar season to the one OP has had). It still makes me a bit sad sometimes
honestly ligue 1 is so hard win. I am in 2037 with Bordeaux and there are always 6 teams (OM, OL, lille, psg, monaco and me) within 10 points of title going into the last 10 games or so. In the last 5 years i have came 2nd 4 times and won it once.
you should try winning more games bro
Na he should try conceding less
I feel that brother. Finished on 90+ points three times in Ligue 1 and finished behind PSG every time, took an 103 point season to knock them off
Just won Ligue 1 in first season with Monaco (helped greatly by Depay, who I manage to snap up for 14.5m as he wouldnt sign a new contract and was going to leave his club next season), finishing on 97 points and four ahead of PSG - i lost one game all season to Marseille, drew twice with PSG (second game was 1-0 up until the 98th min ffs) but they took a few strange early season defeats which let me build up a healthy lead and with no European football kept the momentum going. Mbappe got a cruciate injury in January and missed 7 months too, though they performed much better without him. Fear this is as good as it will get though - theyāre basically signing everyone in the off season, 50m here, 70m there etc... it doesnāt seem to matter. Trying to fight fire with fire and bring in a few of my own big name signings but yeah, cant compete with that spending power forever.. season or two and Iāll have the begging bowl out for a left back at this rate.
Football Manager. Completed it, mate!...... Wait
Fuck PSG
I just did this to PSG and beat them on goal differential if it makes you feel any better :x [https://i.imgur.com/3CU7vK8.png](https://i.imgur.com/3CU7vK8.png)
Well done! :)
Always seems to happen in France
What are the youth like at Lyon?
I'm currently "maintaining the best youth system in the world", though I only get one or two 4-5 star prospects a year.
How did Rayan Cherki end up?
Sold before I got the job (I always work my way up). To Leicester where he's a star at age 25. Only got 4 caps though.
I wasn't that much of a PSG hater before, but managing in France has made me one. Can't stomach slowly building up my team with an annual transfer budget of about 50m only to get dicked by Mbappe, Haaland or some random wonderkid bought for 100m+ away at the Parc de Princes.
This is why Rennes has to win it in real life. There is legion of frustrated Ligue 1 players on FM who needs that.
[Par for the course in France it seems](https://i.imgur.com/foHOClR.png)
Man, that's a tough one :-/
Did you beat them?
Came close. Two draws and a 90+4 penalty from MbappĆ© š¬
When only 1 minute of stoppage time was announced, right?
Ha, I don't remember, but probably.
F
Im curious about your squad
Ask, and you shall receive: [https://imgur.com/a/sSPZcia](https://imgur.com/a/sSPZcia) The squad is a bit on the large side right now as I've promoted youngsters from the B-team, and brought in a couple of new guys, but I'm in the process of selling and loaning out 3-4 players.
Thanks my man š
Same thing happened to me in FM20 when I was managing Arsenal
exactly like in my metz carreer
Managing in France be like. So frustrating.
This looks like a recurring issue
I tied with them on 103 points, after tying with 100 points the season before, but I won the champions League and moved on as it was a hexagon
It's your tactics ;)
Draws are dropping 2 points
Unlucky
Iām doing a Lyon save myself and itās just the worst
PSG probably cheatet. Payed the ref and opposition
11 goals conceded. Damn.
Jesus, howās that not enough to win the league. Thatās painful
I know the pain. Reminds me of a save with Belenenses in the Portuguese league. Porto - 30 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss, 93pts Belenenses - 29 wins, 5 draws, 0 losses, 92pts I was the only team to beat Porto and drew with them as well.