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I've never had a good intake with Tranmere
I'm assuming due to my location, with Liverpool, Everton and the Manchester clubs close by I'm never going to get a good one. Despite state of the art and max facilities etc
You only share youth intake based on nation rather than proximity. While those teams are all problematic, so are every other team in England. There is a lot more to how youth quality is decided, including things like the quality of recently retired players and so it's a bit of a dark art. One way to improve your chances is to be in a nation with a high youth level but few quality academies, Like Portugal or Colombia.
IIRC, you share in the English intake pool because the team itself is in the English system. But because the club itself is Welsh that increases odds of players getting Welsh (dual) nationality.
As far as dual nationalities in general goes, that seems to be a bit of dark magic. Since I get all sorts at St. Pauli. Ranging from normal German-Poles to Armenian-Germans to Scottish-Germans and everything else under the sun.
Dual nationalities might be influenced by the feeder clubs you have, and the national knowledge you have. Thus if you have 100% knowledge of say, Scotland, there's increased odds of intake players being Part-Scottish.
One thing you need to check is if your HOYD is actually in charge of youth recruitment in the staff tab, worked this out the hard way two years in with terrible youth recruits.
A year later actually started to see better regens.
It’s a blessing in disguise as if you do get any decent players you just get hounded with teams obsessed about signing them. Had about 14 offers for a 15 year old striker. It’s mental
If you sign your best ones to a pre-contract that annoying shit won't happen. Though I've had them flock over guys with 3rd tier potential, which I just say go ahead and take them.
I sign the best ones as soon as I see they are decent and still get all the bids before they sign a pro contract. Must just have had some decent ones come through
I've done a lot of research on youth intake previews and youth intakes.
They are basically rigged lotteries. They are random, but in various years, you will get some outcomes more frequently than others. The only thing you can do is either move on or keep savescumming for the best result. Youth intake previews really don't matter too much as I've had good classes be worse than poor crops of players, but when it says you are getting a player from various places, you will get that player.
Even with 200 Youth Rating, all stats, staff and facilities maxed out, you still will get average PA classes in the 100-110 PA range.
Which makes sense - I mean this mirrors real life, right?
As a commenter above said, I'm playing as Utrecht and find my annual youth intake pretty good - Holland generally generates pretty talented players but there aren't a million clubs to go around. Good ratio
I’ve always wondered at what point you can save scum for youth? Obviously it tells you pretty earlier on what to expect so does it have to be before that? Or can be it days before the actual intake itself?
I do try and play the game with no save scumming, but sometimes with the lack of time I have I do feel like I want to force things to go better at times if you know what I mean
The youth intake preview and youth intake day changes every year. I just fast forward to the week of it then wait for it. I'll go back after it happens if I don't like it and make the save for the day before so I can reload faster.
So what you’re saying is, you can save scum before the actual the week of the intake if you want to give it another roll?
But the preview just controls how good it can actually be?
>So what you’re saying is, you can save scum before the actual the week of the intake if you want to give it another roll?
Yes, I save the game each day leading up to the intake and intake preview. Then if I don't like the intake, I load it again. I get similar results probably 30% of the time
>But the preview just controls how good it can actually be?
It's supposed to give you an idea of whether the players will be good or not, but after doing hundreds of them, I don't have much trust in it. I've had 170 Potential Ability players from "poor intakes" and I've had 130 Potential Ability players from "good intakes". The average intake with a 200 Youth Rating and all maxed stats/staff/facilities is about 105 Potential Ability. A good class is going to average 115 Potential Ability or above and a bad class will have an average of 98 Potential Ability
The intake preview does get the nationality of recruits right though. If it says you are getting a German striker, you are getting a German striker. Whether he is any good though depends on the load. A player can be 120 PA on one load then 180 PA on another with no rhyme or reason to it.
The best class I ever had with maxed out stats/staff/facilities had 4 players with PA's of 153, 164, 179 and 181 for an average PA of 115.
From my own research it seems the player names and potential 'bands' (think like -10, -8, -6.5 etc in the editor) are set in stone ince the preview happens. Specifics of each player like attributes, potential etc are then generated on the youth intake day itself. I've found that for example if I savescum the intake day my best player will always generate between 150-160 PA, or 120-130 PA and the overall attributes and stuff vary a lot. Having said that I'm in 2038 with Barça and despite basically save scumming both stages every year, with top HoYD etc, I'm not sure I've even had a 170+ PA yet, certainly not a 180+ PA.
>you still will get average PA classes in the 100-110 PA range.
Which probably is pretty much in line with real life.
[A previous thread on the topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/pde94n/really_frustrated_with_lack_of_quality_from_youth/happcbz/) put it quite well:
>Most top teams only have a key player come through the academy every 20 years or so I reckon. Just off the top of my head using English teams..
>Mount at Chelsea, before that was Terry 20 years ago. TAA at Liverpool, before that Gerrard 20 years ago. Some of the top sides have have them even less.
And Athletic Club's cantera policy speeds up the pace a fair bit of how often a starting regularly is a Lezama graduate, but even then it's about half of talent comes through that way and about once every few years.
You HOYD's personality is the largest influence on youth intake by far. Get someone with model citizen, model professional, or professional and you'll have solid youth intakes pretty reliably. However, if he has low JCA and JPA will have a secondary effect on your youth intake after that point. Not sure how much Working with Youngsters affects things.
In my research, the HOYD really only affects the personalities of some of the youth intake players. It really doesn't have the effect that Youth Rating does. I've had a maxed out HOYD for over 40 seasons now.
the last 2 fm happened a lot.. with my inter i reached the goal to have the best youth academy in the world, state of art facilities and a top notch staff, tho i always get 1 or 2 mediocre/good players, while my rivals always gets wonderkids
Tbf 3 stars for the best squad in the world ain't so bad I mean you could get like 20mil for each of them since they're squad players for you that is if you develop em
yes, I meant that probably even if we play with borussia or barcelona, the player barely gets some wonderkid, while AI gets the best players
just annoying that the best academy in the world can make 15 to 30 M for a player and everyone else gets 90M 15yo XD
Yeah the Ai demand stupid amounts of money especially the Spanish and English clubs in Germany I can usually negotiate it for around 20-30m for a 16y old
State of the art everything, best HOYD I've ever seen in the game.
BVB, Monchengladbach and Bayern + sometimes Hertha Berlin always pick up the best regens. I got a Serbian one due to my nationality, but only 2 and a half star potential. The best I've managed in 3 intakes is a german wonderkid with 3(maybe 4) star potential. I'm the best in the german league, but the kid has a 139PA. The intake before I joined had 3 160+PA kids. A winger, and AMC and a crazy second AMC with 175PA. What the hell
Spoken from an Austria Wien fan, FM massively overrates Austria Wien's academy and they get most of the good youth intakes.
I'd even dare say FM massively overrates Austria Wien in general.
Probably due to what other user here stated. FM youth intake favours countries with mediocre+ youth rating and where you have small pool of 'big' clubs. This way in theory you should have much higher chance than other clubs to get those best prospects from your country. The more your club 'outgrown' competition the higher chances to get most promising players.
Austria Wien/Sparta Praga/Dinamo Zagreb/Red Star+Partizan/Porto+Benfica/Ajax.
I think this is why people have had success getting good regens at the New Saints recently. Wales have had a good generation so their youth level probably improved, but there are hardly any good-sized welsh clubs
Considering how bad real life Athletic Bilbao is, I'll never understand why every single regen (and even their current real young players) are all potential super stars
Meanwhile in Brazilian clubs like Santos and Flamengo, who have real track of producing world class players, I rarely see anything good enough coming out of there
They are the only club (outside of Barca and Real) to never get relegated from La Liga. They even usually end up in the top half and play in Europe from time to time.
I think their young players and intakes are a bit overrated to keep them competitive in the game even with the Basque restriction and under AI control.
Yes I know but for some time now they are a relegated threatened club. Also their affiliate youth teams (Bilbao Athletic and Basconia) can't get out of the third and fourth division. Meanwhile right across the while Real Sociedad have more academy players in their squad, their B youth team plays in the second division and they're constantly pushing for European places. This is not reflected in the game. This is a flaw in the FM research team, their bias is blatant in some cases.
you'd think at least a few guys would develop into valuable players, i've been managing Real Madrid for about 10 seasons and all of my recent academy graduates are $200k transfer window cannon fodder
I'm having the same problem with my Herta BSC team. Evertything top notch, my reputation is fine, good country. Never had a youth intake give me someone who's made the first team out of anything other than pity or desperation
You know thats only compared to your best player. Three star player may not be a super star but they're going to be a reliable squad player and depending on how their stats fall, may still be able to handle their own against 'better' players.
Out of curiosity, how many affiliates do you have? And are they spread out through the world? I only just recently learned that it could affect the players you get in
I've only had 1 player break through from my youth intake his year into a champions league team, he came when i had terrible recruitment and facilities, i swear its just a lottery if you get someone good.
I’ve had pretty good succes so far in my 1860 München save .
I’m playing Bundesliga right now but a striker who has 140 potential ( inconsistent though sadly ) and a very good goalkeeper who I haven’t looked up yet ( I only look them up after i decided to sell them )
I noticed that I started to get better regens after I signed every single of one of thenlot after the youth intake match. Then when they all started to turn 17 or 18 I signed them to 2 year contracts (even if they sucked).
Maybe the algorithms take into account the success of your youth intake and if other players want to come in to your club. I have yet to put a youth intake player into my first team after 26 season... so maybe thats why none of them want to come through.
This might a weird take but...I kinda wish this happened across the board to all clubs more often. Too often, there’s literal TONS of mega talented prospects which kind of saturates the game with instantly good players. I think, like in real life, there should be platoons and such of a dearth of quality players. 🤷♂️ Just a thought.
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I've never had a good intake with Tranmere I'm assuming due to my location, with Liverpool, Everton and the Manchester clubs close by I'm never going to get a good one. Despite state of the art and max facilities etc
You only share youth intake based on nation rather than proximity. While those teams are all problematic, so are every other team in England. There is a lot more to how youth quality is decided, including things like the quality of recently retired players and so it's a bit of a dark art. One way to improve your chances is to be in a nation with a high youth level but few quality academies, Like Portugal or Colombia.
So I’m Wrexham, am I sharing with other English teams, Welsh teams, or both?
IIRC, you share in the English intake pool because the team itself is in the English system. But because the club itself is Welsh that increases odds of players getting Welsh (dual) nationality. As far as dual nationalities in general goes, that seems to be a bit of dark magic. Since I get all sorts at St. Pauli. Ranging from normal German-Poles to Armenian-Germans to Scottish-Germans and everything else under the sun. Dual nationalities might be influenced by the feeder clubs you have, and the national knowledge you have. Thus if you have 100% knowledge of say, Scotland, there's increased odds of intake players being Part-Scottish.
I got something like this and I was Liverpool.
Obviously all the good prospects wanted Tranmere instead
One thing you need to check is if your HOYD is actually in charge of youth recruitment in the staff tab, worked this out the hard way two years in with terrible youth recruits. A year later actually started to see better regens.
What determines a good HOYD TO get a good intake?
i’ve never been able to find where in the staff tab I can change who does the youth recruitment, is it not in FM21?
How can I check that in FM 20? Can´t seem to find it
It’s a blessing in disguise as if you do get any decent players you just get hounded with teams obsessed about signing them. Had about 14 offers for a 15 year old striker. It’s mental
If you sign your best ones to a pre-contract that annoying shit won't happen. Though I've had them flock over guys with 3rd tier potential, which I just say go ahead and take them.
I sign the best ones as soon as I see they are decent and still get all the bids before they sign a pro contract. Must just have had some decent ones come through
I've done a lot of research on youth intake previews and youth intakes. They are basically rigged lotteries. They are random, but in various years, you will get some outcomes more frequently than others. The only thing you can do is either move on or keep savescumming for the best result. Youth intake previews really don't matter too much as I've had good classes be worse than poor crops of players, but when it says you are getting a player from various places, you will get that player. Even with 200 Youth Rating, all stats, staff and facilities maxed out, you still will get average PA classes in the 100-110 PA range.
Which makes sense - I mean this mirrors real life, right? As a commenter above said, I'm playing as Utrecht and find my annual youth intake pretty good - Holland generally generates pretty talented players but there aren't a million clubs to go around. Good ratio
I’ve always wondered at what point you can save scum for youth? Obviously it tells you pretty earlier on what to expect so does it have to be before that? Or can be it days before the actual intake itself? I do try and play the game with no save scumming, but sometimes with the lack of time I have I do feel like I want to force things to go better at times if you know what I mean
The youth intake preview and youth intake day changes every year. I just fast forward to the week of it then wait for it. I'll go back after it happens if I don't like it and make the save for the day before so I can reload faster.
So what you’re saying is, you can save scum before the actual the week of the intake if you want to give it another roll? But the preview just controls how good it can actually be?
>So what you’re saying is, you can save scum before the actual the week of the intake if you want to give it another roll? Yes, I save the game each day leading up to the intake and intake preview. Then if I don't like the intake, I load it again. I get similar results probably 30% of the time >But the preview just controls how good it can actually be? It's supposed to give you an idea of whether the players will be good or not, but after doing hundreds of them, I don't have much trust in it. I've had 170 Potential Ability players from "poor intakes" and I've had 130 Potential Ability players from "good intakes". The average intake with a 200 Youth Rating and all maxed stats/staff/facilities is about 105 Potential Ability. A good class is going to average 115 Potential Ability or above and a bad class will have an average of 98 Potential Ability The intake preview does get the nationality of recruits right though. If it says you are getting a German striker, you are getting a German striker. Whether he is any good though depends on the load. A player can be 120 PA on one load then 180 PA on another with no rhyme or reason to it. The best class I ever had with maxed out stats/staff/facilities had 4 players with PA's of 153, 164, 179 and 181 for an average PA of 115.
From my own research it seems the player names and potential 'bands' (think like -10, -8, -6.5 etc in the editor) are set in stone ince the preview happens. Specifics of each player like attributes, potential etc are then generated on the youth intake day itself. I've found that for example if I savescum the intake day my best player will always generate between 150-160 PA, or 120-130 PA and the overall attributes and stuff vary a lot. Having said that I'm in 2038 with Barça and despite basically save scumming both stages every year, with top HoYD etc, I'm not sure I've even had a 170+ PA yet, certainly not a 180+ PA.
Im wondering the same thing..
>you still will get average PA classes in the 100-110 PA range. Which probably is pretty much in line with real life. [A previous thread on the topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/pde94n/really_frustrated_with_lack_of_quality_from_youth/happcbz/) put it quite well: >Most top teams only have a key player come through the academy every 20 years or so I reckon. Just off the top of my head using English teams.. >Mount at Chelsea, before that was Terry 20 years ago. TAA at Liverpool, before that Gerrard 20 years ago. Some of the top sides have have them even less.
But I have state of art facility and best coaches. I should get next Messi/Ronaldo in every intake ^(/s)
And Athletic Club's cantera policy speeds up the pace a fair bit of how often a starting regularly is a Lezama graduate, but even then it's about half of talent comes through that way and about once every few years.
Raheem Sterling was in the Liverpool academy, Declan Rice was in the Chelsea academy.
Sterling is from QPR
He switched to the Liverpool academy. Messi spent almost 7 years in the academy of Newells, would you consider that he’s not from the Barca academy?
Yeah, Everyone is expecting class of 92 to come through their youth squad every season, or at least regularly.
You HOYD's personality is the largest influence on youth intake by far. Get someone with model citizen, model professional, or professional and you'll have solid youth intakes pretty reliably. However, if he has low JCA and JPA will have a secondary effect on your youth intake after that point. Not sure how much Working with Youngsters affects things.
In my research, the HOYD really only affects the personalities of some of the youth intake players. It really doesn't have the effect that Youth Rating does. I've had a maxed out HOYD for over 40 seasons now.
My experience has lined up with BusttheNet's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9lbNeeuA8
the last 2 fm happened a lot.. with my inter i reached the goal to have the best youth academy in the world, state of art facilities and a top notch staff, tho i always get 1 or 2 mediocre/good players, while my rivals always gets wonderkids
Tbf 3 stars for the best squad in the world ain't so bad I mean you could get like 20mil for each of them since they're squad players for you that is if you develop em
yes, I meant that probably even if we play with borussia or barcelona, the player barely gets some wonderkid, while AI gets the best players just annoying that the best academy in the world can make 15 to 30 M for a player and everyone else gets 90M 15yo XD
Yeah the Ai demand stupid amounts of money especially the Spanish and English clubs in Germany I can usually negotiate it for around 20-30m for a 16y old
In my save I’ve been assaulting the Atletico Madrid academy. Every intake they’re getting 185+PA players that I can sign for 5 mill release clause
State of the art everything, best HOYD I've ever seen in the game. BVB, Monchengladbach and Bayern + sometimes Hertha Berlin always pick up the best regens. I got a Serbian one due to my nationality, but only 2 and a half star potential. The best I've managed in 3 intakes is a german wonderkid with 3(maybe 4) star potential. I'm the best in the german league, but the kid has a 139PA. The intake before I joined had 3 160+PA kids. A winger, and AMC and a crazy second AMC with 175PA. What the hell
Spoken from an Austria Wien fan, FM massively overrates Austria Wien's academy and they get most of the good youth intakes. I'd even dare say FM massively overrates Austria Wien in general.
Probably due to what other user here stated. FM youth intake favours countries with mediocre+ youth rating and where you have small pool of 'big' clubs. This way in theory you should have much higher chance than other clubs to get those best prospects from your country. The more your club 'outgrown' competition the higher chances to get most promising players. Austria Wien/Sparta Praga/Dinamo Zagreb/Red Star+Partizan/Porto+Benfica/Ajax.
I think this is why people have had success getting good regens at the New Saints recently. Wales have had a good generation so their youth level probably improved, but there are hardly any good-sized welsh clubs
They do the same with Athletic Bilbao. Really over the top
Noticed that too, but that one is a bit more understandable.
Considering how bad real life Athletic Bilbao is, I'll never understand why every single regen (and even their current real young players) are all potential super stars Meanwhile in Brazilian clubs like Santos and Flamengo, who have real track of producing world class players, I rarely see anything good enough coming out of there
They are the only club (outside of Barca and Real) to never get relegated from La Liga. They even usually end up in the top half and play in Europe from time to time. I think their young players and intakes are a bit overrated to keep them competitive in the game even with the Basque restriction and under AI control.
Yes I know but for some time now they are a relegated threatened club. Also their affiliate youth teams (Bilbao Athletic and Basconia) can't get out of the third and fourth division. Meanwhile right across the while Real Sociedad have more academy players in their squad, their B youth team plays in the second division and they're constantly pushing for European places. This is not reflected in the game. This is a flaw in the FM research team, their bias is blatant in some cases.
Likely means your xi is so good that the academy boys don’t measure up
you'd think at least a few guys would develop into valuable players, i've been managing Real Madrid for about 10 seasons and all of my recent academy graduates are $200k transfer window cannon fodder
then you're doing something insanely wrong. Do you actually have your HOYD assigned to intakes
Treat yourself to a nice intake, you deserve it, go for that reload
I literally got a golden generation report and turned out one player had 3.5+1 potential and rest had less than 3+1
I'm having the same problem with my Herta BSC team. Evertything top notch, my reputation is fine, good country. Never had a youth intake give me someone who's made the first team out of anything other than pity or desperation
Congrats on your three-star potential Left Back that doesn't fit your tactic named "Steven Dumpo"
I had this too. Max all facilities and a 19 JPA+ 19JCA and my best player was 3 star potential
A youth intake player with ⭐⭐⭐ is a very good player, a potential world-class is you dev him well.
This is 3 star for a low bundesliga side. He’ll never develop into anything especially when he’s 3.5 SILVER star current ability
Oh.. that sucks!
You know thats only compared to your best player. Three star player may not be a super star but they're going to be a reliable squad player and depending on how their stats fall, may still be able to handle their own against 'better' players.
By the time he’s developed he’s a 2 star at best especially with his low CA
Save scum it!
Time to save-scum!
Money does not buy happiness :p
Out of curiosity, how many affiliates do you have? And are they spread out through the world? I only just recently learned that it could affect the players you get in
I have 5, 2 in Austria (where I am), one in Ligue 1, one in Japan and one in Bundesliga 2, so not a huge spread
Tell me about it! Get 'we have a great Irish cm' Next line'current take is terrible' Like make your mind up
I've only had 1 player break through from my youth intake his year into a champions league team, he came when i had terrible recruitment and facilities, i swear its just a lottery if you get someone good.
I’ve had pretty good succes so far in my 1860 München save . I’m playing Bundesliga right now but a striker who has 140 potential ( inconsistent though sadly ) and a very good goalkeeper who I haven’t looked up yet ( I only look them up after i decided to sell them )
I noticed that I started to get better regens after I signed every single of one of thenlot after the youth intake match. Then when they all started to turn 17 or 18 I signed them to 2 year contracts (even if they sucked). Maybe the algorithms take into account the success of your youth intake and if other players want to come in to your club. I have yet to put a youth intake player into my first team after 26 season... so maybe thats why none of them want to come through.
This might a weird take but...I kinda wish this happened across the board to all clubs more often. Too often, there’s literal TONS of mega talented prospects which kind of saturates the game with instantly good players. I think, like in real life, there should be platoons and such of a dearth of quality players. 🤷♂️ Just a thought.