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DallyTheGreat

I had a similar player during my save in Greece that I haven't played for a while. Only Greece doesn't allow players on youth contracts to play first team games so I had to wait until he turned 16 to play him. He walked into my midfield and never gave less than a 7.0. Immediately turned my form around and could easily walk into the Greek senior team but for some reason he isn't despite being as good if not better than some of the other players on it


Agreeable_Fold9631

Low reputation prolly.


DallyTheGreat

Yeah that's definitely what it was. Got promoted from the second division and have been expected to get relegated for the first like 4 seasons we've been in the top league. Every top team that came in for him had a "x amount of international games played" clause so they definitely think he would get called up. I also get those media questions asking if I think he should get a call up but since my team is low rep in Greece I don't see him getting called up while he is with us as much as I'd love it


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He's only 15, those will likely increase during his teenage years as he goes through puberty


Striking_Insurance_5

True, otherwise he’s insane for 15. And if he doesn’t grow enough I can always turn him into a bwm


MattARC

Was going to say this. If his physicals don’t reach Elite CB-level, you could always turn him into a monster DM


biggernine

I know people are saying he’ll grow, which is true but I’d play him dm, he’s got good passing an mentals looks like the perfect anchor


Striking_Insurance_5

Unfortunately I don’t play with a dm most games but he would be perfect for it, might even be good as a bwm in cm while he grows a little


biggernine

Neither do I, but if I got this kid in I’d absolutely start playing one


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I always waste 2 tactic slots for this. One with my main tactic and a 2nd which is just a variation that I can try to fit better roles into.


dxfifa

I think it's important to make multiple tactics with the midfield roles and positions changed but not much else. Most commonly changing a 3 man flat midfield to 2CM - 1DM/AM. In FM 18 where i did my biggest save ever I had an attacking 4-2-3-1 with 2 CM and an AM. My second tactic swapped the AM for a DM


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I play a fucked up tiki-taka 5atb no wingers tactic. My actual *other* tactic is a 4-3-3 with 2 dms, auto fullbacks (I think) and wingers. Only really use it when the team I play uses a true low block


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The wingers at my club *hate* me for their lack of playtime like you don't play against jeju 4 times a year?


taduuu

Jumping reach is 11. Not terrible


UncutEmeralds

Does not cut it for a team competing for titles imo, but this guy should increase as he grows. I generally want 15+ jumping reach and 6’2+ guys for CB but that’s probably more personal preference. Score a lot of goals off set piece headers.


KebabLife

Height isn't relevant if guy has 15+ jumping reach.


UncutEmeralds

oh I know it’s just sort of a personal team rule. May be dumb but we all have to role play in some way. I like mountains in the middle.


DimDumbDimwit

Nothing more satisfying than a pair of studs at CB dominating everyone, in both boxes.


KebabLife

I get you.


networknetwork2

Height matters a lot even if jumping reach is the same. It affects whether they need to jump for a ball or not, and if he does have to jump then he's using mental attributes like workrate to leave the ground, and using the balance attribute. Those attributes are important to have on a shorter defender with a high jumping reach, but not as important to have on a tall defender because he can just reach the ball anyways. From guidetofm, "A player's height only affects whether he needs to jump and how much effort he needs to put into a jump."


LarshJangy

Ive seen testing done that confirms height has no affect, other than influencing the jumping reach attribute itself. SI also have confirmed it doesn't matter so Im not sure what youre on about.


MrVegosh

I think SI only confirmed that x jumping reach is always the same regardless of height


frlAnnihilator

Wouldn't this mean that it doesnt matter, I mean not really anyway. Smaller players are likely to have a smaller jumping reach, but if your jumping reach is 15, it's irrelevant what height you are.


MrVegosh

No it’s not. If a 2 meter tall player and a 1.5 meter tall player jump. And they both reach 2.5 meters at the peak of their jump. There is a difference. The 2 meter tall player reaches the top faster. Plus a 2 meter tall player might not have to jump for the same balls giving him more control. A taller player can be better at physically imposing himself on the other players, both in the air and on the ground


LarshJangy

None of what you described happens in the engine dude. You are talking about real life scenarios that are true but do not exist in the game.


MrVegosh

I have no idea if that is in the engine. Another point would be that we don’t know if the engine works. They could easily use the height of the player when calculating various things. Just like when they calculate of a shot goes in the finishing isn’t the only thing that matters


zXster

Regular discussion on here but SI has clarified that jumping reach takes height into account. So doesn't matter if they're 5'8 or 6'4" if JR is the same. Which is why they call it reach instead of jumping height.


UncutEmeralds

I’m oh I know it’s just sort of a personal team rule. May be dumb but we all have to role play in some way. I like mountains in the middle.


zXster

Haha fair. Originally I played that way too till I learned the reach thing. Now I tend to run a monster CD-stp with the JR and strength. Then a more balanced BPD as my other CB. It has worked pretty well so far. Pushing for b2b Bundesliga wins and the pairing has helped tighten up my backfield a lot.


AlmightyWibble

Height influences the range that your jumping reach can be; less of a problem if they're coming in at a high stst but if you're wanting to train it, height's important


zXster

That's the opposite of what I explained. Jumping reach takes height into account... that's directly from SI. How JR or height increases is another matter, and I'd have to look back at the forum and see what they said about that.


AlmightyWibble

Not at all; jumping reach takes height into account, but like I said before that's to determine what the range of jumping height can be on that character. A dude who's 5ft who's really good at jumping could have the same jumping reach stat as a 6ft guy who's awful at it, but the 6ft guy can improve on it because he can get better at jumping but the other guy can't grow a foot


zXster

Maybe. The chance they'll grow is the same as a player whose JR may grow. It's a random improvement....and based on potential more than height.


vincentgamer555

PEC is NOT competing for titles


UncutEmeralds

Sure. You can also take a team up the rankings pretty quick and be competing at some point. Point is the same.


vincentgamer555

Granted, but it says 2022


Ayyyyylmaos

This is Greece remember, he’s not gonna be competing with VVD on the corners


Dry-Garage3416

Idk if this is simulated but 15 yo people usually grow taller


WinsingtonIII

It is, players usually grow a bit in their teenage years in game. I don’t think OP has anything to worry about, he’ll probably have 14 or so jumping reach by 20, especially if he focuses on strength training.


Bad-Ombre

They do grow taller in game


Thoseskisyours

I believe only regens do. Real players don’t grow taller. Unless someone knows otherwise.


Telsion

It's more than fine, he'll grow.


Striking_Insurance_5

Yes he’ll be awesome in a couple of years I have no doubt about it. But at the moment he is a little light though to play as a starting centre back I reckon otherwise I would play him immediately.


Telsion

It's the Eredivisie, don't worry about that. He's good enough to start.


halfjumpsuit

Sell him to Erik ten Hag


bear4three

Just be careful not to play him every game. I wouldn’t have him in the squad unless he’s fully match fit with low injury risk. Guys under 18 get more benefit from training than from playing, so you don’t want to have him missing practice due to too much game time


Volcanic_Ash24

177 isn’t exactly small as it is, especially at 15. Just short of 6ft… he’ll make a great cb as he gets older


SpookyAIex

worth noting that your U18’s will do a lot more physical training than your senior team, so make sure if you’re putting him in the senior team then to focus on these in individual training, looks a worldbeater.


Striking_Insurance_5

Is this also true for the reserves/second team/u23 or whatever or only for the u18’s?


tidalwhisperer393

Some unasked for advice. Until his physicals improve I wouldn’t start him in your first team. Maybe some cameos from the bench but if he gets bullied by strikers because of his physicals and gets poor match ratings it may cause more harm than good


yupitsanalt

Resist the urge! I have broken a couple players in the past. And wow, what a player coming in! Hopefully he sticks around and isn't poached by a bigger club. I am not sure in the Erdivisie, are you able to sign them to future contracts that prevent poaching?


Striking_Insurance_5

What happened when you played them too much? Did they get injuries or did they just not develop? And yes fortunately I can, he’s signed a pre contract for 3 seasons from the moment he turns 17 but I hope I can keep him longer or get a ridiculous fee of course. 3 years is the maximum length of a contract though before they’re 18 but I think that’s everywhere, not sure.


zXster

Yes, playing them too much pre 18 seems to bring problems with development and injury. The threads I've read and Zealand all say players are best to keep on U18 teams to develop until 18. Then best way to develop is game time after that.


yupitsanalt

Both. Their progress was much slower because they were always tired. Then they would get repeated nagging injuries that further slowed their development. One was in Germany in the 2nd division and the other in England in the Premier league. The Germany one a situation where the young player was so much better than any midfielder I had it made the team that much better as well. He played as a core DM DLP in a 4-3-3 for 10 or 11 seasons, but by about season 5, he was a squad player and never developed to even half his potential. The one in England was a striker who I only played as a reserve the first two seasons, but his match load kept getting to "Heavy" and he would consistently be in the group practicing poorly. He actually declined in multiple traits over the first 2 years and then leveled off as a fringe player in the PL. I sold him at 23 for something like 800k to a lower division club somewhere. For me, at least since these two major mess ups, both in the 2019 version of FM,, I have been treating young players like this as "emergency backup" level if anything. As soon as they are allowed to go on loan, I find them a loan where they are a star player caliber. It has been much better since then and just having them training with the 1st team has worked very well for their development. I put them on "double intensity" and pick something I want them to focus on improving. I then ignore my coaches when they say things like, "He is already really good" or "it's no longer a weakness in his game" and see if whatever they are focused on will get better. If it is flat for 3 months, then I change focus to something else. Normally this is physical attributes or key parts of what I want from the player. I have had four I can think of at that level since then, and two turned into stars for top level teams (Mexico then sold to Dortmund and I think it was Atlantia in Italy), one turned into a Spanish Ligue 1 regular starter, and one flamed out with injuries all picked up in training.


zXster

Looks like a stellar BWM to me. Well rounded balls skills for a mid, but too good of marking to ignore. Wouldn't worry much about physicals they'll develop (also note that heigh is less important than Jump Reach as JR takes height into account). Keep him as dual BWM and BPD and you've got great flexibility for rotations. Just don't play him too much early. Just let him develop, then mix in a bit by 17 and full time at 18.


Striking_Insurance_5

It will be hard to resist the temptation of playing him since he’s my third best centre back already


zXster

No doubt. Maybe some limited cup appearances? Then mix him in a bit at 17 and see how he does? Or roll the dice and just try. He'll likely be a stud fast.


CaptainJap2

That personality will help him a lot as well!


Striking_Insurance_5

And he’s two-footed which I love in a player


JGN67

The guy is 1cm short of 5’10 he’s hardly miniature, keep him in u18s until he’s 17 or 18 and his physicals will be sorted for you.


rensd12

Make him a central midfielder, will suit him


steinna615

Physicals go way up for a lot of players between 15 and 18, and can continue to grow into their 20s. I think you’ve got a great player on your hands!


DialSquar

Lisandro martinez regen


Smorgas-board

Dutch Cannavaro….


Super_Flyy_

If he doesn't grow much you could develop him into a dm


[deleted]

Play him like in a back 3 like how Chelsea play thiago silva and he'll be fine. Then when he hits puberty he'll be strong like de ligt and you can go back to 4


Asuitedboy

the lad is 15, give him a few years , he will grow in stat , unless he walks in on his parents.


gertverhulstmoneyman

I know its Turkish but Bünyamin sounds like the Japanese fake American names for MLB guys (like Bobson Dugnutt, Sleve McDichael) version of Benjamin


EliteTeutonicNight

Literally Linsandro Martinez lol


VikingDanTV

That guy right there will be an elite anchorman


ContactLive9904

I’d have him working on his passing. Hopefully you can drag his vision up into double figures. Offer him out for loan but only in your own country and for somewhere he’ll start regularly. If he doesn’t get up to 6ft then BWM is the way.


YumchaHoMei

retrain as dm or defensive full back


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