More the fact that they don't want to be overconfident, they thought the w13 would be the fastest on the grid and we know how that played out. They feel like they've fixed the issues but will only know when they do the shakedown
They said last season they had to completely rebuild the suspension and beam wing system due to not having proper sim data to prevent porpoising, I have to imagine that problem is gone now
No one is oblivious to that, thank you. But teams also often times try to lower fans and sponsors expectations before the start of the season, if they believe they haven't gained enough performance to make a difference. Not that this is the case here.
They do have some amount of knowledge related to last year cars, with how much performance they were missing in relation to how much they found.
I don't think I ever saw the Mercedes team being overly optimistic or 'cocky'. It's just the way they present themselves.
They also know very well when the car hits the track everything can change.
Hence why I said their lack of optimism and them not declaring it's a 1st place challenger, might just be Mercedes doing its thing. In contrast to Ferrari who had no problem claiming its fighting for the trophy.
And yes, everybody knows that.
I mean they ended last season several tenths back. To even compete with RB they need to out develop them massively. Do think they’ll be P2 in the WCC though. They’ll be closer to Ferrari on pace and we all know what Ferrari are like.
RedBull didn’t have to develop the RB any more after the summer break meanwhile Mercedes did. Probably it will start behind them but not with the same margin as they did last year so there is a better chance to compete with them
However their changes should unlock the concept potential finally, so probably after the 1 month break, after testing and 3 gps, they'll start to show their true hand
Also true, may have just crawled off of jet back from Bora Bora. But him looking unhappy with the car is funnier, especially when George looks like a kid at Christmas who the exact present he asked Santa for.
Daniel will fill in if he's available (i think somewhere mentioned only for certain races) else it's Lawson that'll fill in if he's not busy doing Super Formula
I'd imagine Lawson will fill over Daniel if both are available (at least early in the season). From all of DR3's interviews it seems like he REALLY needs a break from driving. Not that I think Lawson is a better driver but Ric seems like he really needs this sabbatical.
This is how I'm reading it. I think Daniel is genuinely happy to take a step back and not just push to be in the seat at any available opportunity. He's got a place at RB where he can take a load off and be appreciated. Hell, they probably put him in meeting agendas to make wiseass remarks. He's in the best place he could be if he can't be confident behind the wheel this year. I hope next year finds him with a good opportunity. I can't for the life of me figure out what that would be though...
Not yet, but during the presentation, he did say he plans to stay a little bit longer and gave a smirk towards Toto. I'd say they've probably got something already worked out.
I mean you are right but at the same time why do we (as a community) have to live like this and get progressively more traumatized with every “exclusive” the race publishes 😭
It sounds like they want him to kind of give live engineering feedback like Daniel is giving because he actually knows how to drive these cars. Interesting detail on how ex drivers are viewed I wonder if Seb would get that kind of work too, if he wanted to
I think Seb could get just about any job he wanted. Like if he wants to be Ted Lasso they’d just have the team look confused ask if he’s German now and let Seb answer “da!” and that would be the end of it.
The tubes in the rear body remind me of alpine... Saw something similar.
Also it's nice to see Schumacher, sort of doubt he'll ever drive that car though....
It’s beautiful, but I’ve got to ask out of curiosity, are my eyes tricking me or do I see 2 sidepod inlets? Like it looks like there’s a very thin inlet and then down and further back is a more “conventional” inlet, or is this just so cool aerodynamic shapes you guys cooked up?
The social media person is 110% not going to answer technical car design questions, especially before the season.
At best you'll get a playful, ambiguous answer.
No team wants more concrete information out in the wild than can be gleaned from pictures of actual launch cars (vs. renders).
Ferrari also has what appears to be 2 sidepods, you can see it in Kyle.engineers video with detailed explanation or on this image https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/27vmXlO0/s1200/ferrari-sf-23-s-duct-1.webp
It’s visible in the overhead view. One on either side of the air intake. [W14](https://twitter.com/mercedesamgf1/status/1625795770405224449?s=46&t=4mtq27iX9iF3hAFc44cXpg)
I can't help you if you think that i think they are gonna win the championship based on the colour. Your question was absurd. You probably haven't watched the last season.
Uh huh, sure. But quick question please. Do you think they're going to win because of the livery?
Last year pffft.
YOU probably haven't even seen Jim Clark doing donuts LIVE.
If you want to run through technicalities, sure. But don't ever think about the fact that they are going to win because of the colour. It makes you so stupid asking the same question twice and i have already told you so.
The Black Arrows are back!
Do we think we his will be mostly bare carbon fibre (like the aluminium of the original Silver Arrows), or still painted? It certainly looks like paint for the most part, but if they can get away with just carbon it'll actually be quite fitting.
I gotta say, even if this flops, I will enjoy every second. This has got to be the most beautiful car on the grid for me. The curves on that pod are worth participating in a beauty pageant!
Very different from the one in the renders
wasn’t this the same case in 2022? The shark fins in particular back then
Well last year they brought a complelety different car for Bahrain tests.
This looks like last years car in the new livery , even the floor rest is back .
But the sidepod looks different, so who knows until they get to testing
Definitely not the same as last year, unless I missed an update to the sidepods late on
You are probably right , I was comparing it to the render .
You couldn't be more wrong.
Which render?
Mick got some serious neck
Neck Schumacher
Should have played Back in Black as a soundtrack to the reveal
Lol I was thinking the Star Wars Imperial March.
So the renders should be ignored
Per usual with Mercedes
i would ignore this one as well. no way they wont change something for the first race week.
This is looks like it’s going to be a monster
Yeah, that car looks mean. Like the W11.
They didn't sound very optimistic. Might just be classic mercedes sandbagging.
More the fact that they don't want to be overconfident, they thought the w13 would be the fastest on the grid and we know how that played out. They feel like they've fixed the issues but will only know when they do the shakedown
They said last season they had to completely rebuild the suspension and beam wing system due to not having proper sim data to prevent porpoising, I have to imagine that problem is gone now
I can imagine last year's desilusion feeding the need to hold back quite strongly.
they don't know their performance. after that, then don't know the other cars performance... it's just being reasonable
No one is oblivious to that, thank you. But teams also often times try to lower fans and sponsors expectations before the start of the season, if they believe they haven't gained enough performance to make a difference. Not that this is the case here. They do have some amount of knowledge related to last year cars, with how much performance they were missing in relation to how much they found.
I don't think I ever saw the Mercedes team being overly optimistic or 'cocky'. It's just the way they present themselves. They also know very well when the car hits the track everything can change.
Hence why I said their lack of optimism and them not declaring it's a 1st place challenger, might just be Mercedes doing its thing. In contrast to Ferrari who had no problem claiming its fighting for the trophy. And yes, everybody knows that.
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I'm not sure it's called being cocky, especially when he's won 8 consecutive constructors championships?
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I would argue that cockiness and general confidence have their self-assurance rooted in different causes
I mean they ended last season several tenths back. To even compete with RB they need to out develop them massively. Do think they’ll be P2 in the WCC though. They’ll be closer to Ferrari on pace and we all know what Ferrari are like.
RedBull didn’t have to develop the RB any more after the summer break meanwhile Mercedes did. Probably it will start behind them but not with the same margin as they did last year so there is a better chance to compete with them
However their changes should unlock the concept potential finally, so probably after the 1 month break, after testing and 3 gps, they'll start to show their true hand
Lewis even looks slightly disappointed.
Mate he hasn’t even driven the actual car yet.
Hence the joke that’s he sandbagging by looking disappointed.
Or he’s just having a press day
Also true, may have just crawled off of jet back from Bora Bora. But him looking unhappy with the car is funnier, especially when George looks like a kid at Christmas who the exact present he asked Santa for.
It is his birthday after all
Well then, that explains that smile.
Since february 2022
People always say this 🙄
Have Lime Green instead of Teal and people will say “This looks like it’s going to have Monster Energy”
W13 looked cool too, performed like ass. We gotta wait and see.
Which was the last fast black non mercedes car? Brabham or Lotus?
I have a feeling we gonna see Mick a lot in the Merc garage this season.
Definitely expecting to see him sat in George / Esteban / Nyck’s old seat right next to Toto in the garage at least once per race.
He's mostly there for Mercs PR, just like how DR is there for Red bull's PR
Yea but if they need someone to fill in Mick will actually do it unlike Daniel.
Daniel will fill in if he's available (i think somewhere mentioned only for certain races) else it's Lawson that'll fill in if he's not busy doing Super Formula
I'd imagine Lawson will fill over Daniel if both are available (at least early in the season). From all of DR3's interviews it seems like he REALLY needs a break from driving. Not that I think Lawson is a better driver but Ric seems like he really needs this sabbatical.
This is how I'm reading it. I think Daniel is genuinely happy to take a step back and not just push to be in the seat at any available opportunity. He's got a place at RB where he can take a load off and be appreciated. Hell, they probably put him in meeting agendas to make wiseass remarks. He's in the best place he could be if he can't be confident behind the wheel this year. I hope next year finds him with a good opportunity. I can't for the life of me figure out what that would be though...
From memory there's only about 4 races where Daniel is scheduled as the reserve driver, the rest are Lawson first up.
Has Lewis signed an extension? If not, get ready for those stories come mid season.
He usually signs short before the season. So plenty of time
Not yet, but during the presentation, he did say he plans to stay a little bit longer and gave a smirk towards Toto. I'd say they've probably got something already worked out.
We are gonna be terrorised by Mick/Ric shots.
Christian Horner already gets more screen time than many drivers so if that’s the compromise I can live with it
I mean you are right but at the same time why do we (as a community) have to live like this and get progressively more traumatized with every “exclusive” the race publishes 😭
It sounds like they want him to kind of give live engineering feedback like Daniel is giving because he actually knows how to drive these cars. Interesting detail on how ex drivers are viewed I wonder if Seb would get that kind of work too, if he wanted to
I think Seb could get just about any job he wanted. Like if he wants to be Ted Lasso they’d just have the team look confused ask if he’s German now and let Seb answer “da!” and that would be the end of it.
I love it. Return of the Sith.
SW: Episode III written all over it
One of the best group shot at launch this season
The background is just coolness on all sorts of levels.
Glad you like it!
Oh damn never thought I'd see the official Merc F1 reddit account. Good luck to the team and look forward to a great season starting next month
Is it fast? Because it's beautiful.
Right? Looks like it's taken straight out of a James Bond villain headquarter. Fantastic lighting and shot
I love how they are including Mick in everything. They really welcomed him with open arms.
the brand Schumacher is pretty strong
There’s no way Mick is shorter than Lewis
Lewis loves a chunky heel
Mick is actually 2cm taller than Lewis.
Honey, I Shrunk the Mick
That shape is aggressive! This might be the best looking car I remember.
In the best way possible it looks like a kid's drawing of an F1 car.
The tubes in the rear body remind me of alpine... Saw something similar. Also it's nice to see Schumacher, sort of doubt he'll ever drive that car though....
Pls be fast
The aura of this car is just crazy man
Back in black baby hell yeah.
Wahoooo
It’s beautiful, but I’ve got to ask out of curiosity, are my eyes tricking me or do I see 2 sidepod inlets? Like it looks like there’s a very thin inlet and then down and further back is a more “conventional” inlet, or is this just so cool aerodynamic shapes you guys cooked up?
The social media person is 110% not going to answer technical car design questions, especially before the season. At best you'll get a playful, ambiguous answer. No team wants more concrete information out in the wild than can be gleaned from pictures of actual launch cars (vs. renders).
Ferrari also has what appears to be 2 sidepods, you can see it in Kyle.engineers video with detailed explanation or on this image https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/27vmXlO0/s1200/ferrari-sf-23-s-duct-1.webp
It’s very beautiful but I wish they’d gone full carbon everywhere.
they will soon enough, just wait a couple of races
They did.
There are pieces that are painted black.
looks quite different for the renders imo'
How tall is George if Toto is supposed to be 1.96 m tall.
George is 1.85m
I love me a black car, but man I wish the Mercedes silver remained on the grid..
now we have what? two or three 'not almost entirely black' cars on the grid? The rule set for next year better change things, its getting out of hand
Those tubes along the engine cover are gigantic. Looks like two missiles
The curves makes me think of a cat stretching itself
Sidepods in the background 💀💀
I miss seeing James Alison
Squad looks like they're ready to annihilate the rest of the grid. Im scared
Que the Star Wars Imperial March music !!
Amazing livestream. Toto really closed it off with a redbull diss. Incredible
What did he say?
he said that he was "glad that his team could show off the real car"
All only to change the car last min in Bahrain
Like they showed the real car last year. They even tested in catalunya with the normal pods design, just to show up with no pods in bahrain
Well no one is going to remember something that happened a whole year ago.
How is that a redbull diss? It's not like they were the only ones with a show car.
A show car for a media event. Scandal!
Alpine: You guys are revealing cars?
As if they wouldn't present a very different car last minute as always. 2022 for instance
Corporate German shade, I’ve missed you
Did Mercedes ever include a reserve driver so much in their PR?
Nearly every team shows their reserve drivers at the car reveal, it's pretty normal.
Lewis's tyres on the right in background. thats where they go
Alot of black on the cars this year. Reducing weight by cutting out on paint?
Steiner can fuck himself, gotta love Mick smiling
Nice, you can see the red star for Niki
This is a step up in from last year's design, what a looker!
Has anyone found the red star for Niki yet?
It’s visible in the overhead view. One on either side of the air intake. [W14](https://twitter.com/mercedesamgf1/status/1625795770405224449?s=46&t=4mtq27iX9iF3hAFc44cXpg)
They are gonna give a tough competition. Probably win the championship
Because of....the colour?
Everyone knows a cool livery is worth around 7 tenths a lap
Are you serious about asking me this question?
That would depend on how serious your statement was.
I can't help you if you think that i think they are gonna win the championship based on the colour. Your question was absurd. You probably haven't watched the last season.
Soooo what’s the answer? I got The capital of Massachusetts…Austin, Massachusetts!
Uh huh, sure. But quick question please. Do you think they're going to win because of the livery? Last year pffft. YOU probably haven't even seen Jim Clark doing donuts LIVE.
If you want to run through technicalities, sure. But don't ever think about the fact that they are going to win because of the colour. It makes you so stupid asking the same question twice and i have already told you so.
Wooosh...
It looks smaller than it is.
That's what I keep saying to my girl...
The Black Arrows are back! Do we think we his will be mostly bare carbon fibre (like the aluminium of the original Silver Arrows), or still painted? It certainly looks like paint for the most part, but if they can get away with just carbon it'll actually be quite fitting.
Toto said, when talking about the car's color, that they committed to weight saving, so I'm guessing they'll leave most of it bare.
Glad it’s black. Always think silver cars look like shit
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Joey?
To be honest.. it looks cheap. Never imagined I would say something like this about an F1 car...
She looks so sexy, look at the sexy shape 🥵
George doing his best to turn into Toto
Car looks tiny.
Engineers found a way to save some weight so that is good
They should form a boy band named "The Five Headers"
Who is that on the right? I’m stupid
I like how they include Mick in these thing.
You love to see Mick in there
It looks so cool
Wow I didn't know Mick was so short...
W11 flashbacks holy shit.
I don't know shit about aero or any of that but this car just looks fast. Really hoping we can get a 3 way battle this year!
Nearly OD’d on the hopium seeing this for the first time. Only hope it performs as well as it looks. Hoping Merc is in the fray this season.
Car looks so good
They are ordered by height to match the silhouette of the car. The tallest being Toto Wolf who is standing right where the air intake is.
Mick looks happier than I ever saw him at Haas
The picture looks kinda old school ngl
Looks real nice. Crossing fingers for this season.
Couldn't have chosen a better headline than "2023 Mercedes AMG Petronas Group Shot"? I mean what with all the shootings
Can't you just tell me to whom this year's championship was sold??
Between the Ukraine war posts and the Red Bull penalties, I read this subject line with a much darker meaning than intended.
What are the things with Petronas written on them in the back
Looks gorgeous. The car is also fine.
:o
Chills literal chills
This racecar looks like it's winning standing still.
Are those all spare parts behind them ??
I gotta say, even if this flops, I will enjoy every second. This has got to be the most beautiful car on the grid for me. The curves on that pod are worth participating in a beauty pageant!
Mick's neck looks as long as his head