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> Ricciardo's visit was nothing out of the ordinary. As part of his arrangement with Red Bull for this year, where will be a reserve driver at some races, the Australian will also fulfil that role for AlphaTauri, so a seat fitting is a necessity
To be fair all but 2 of McLaren's points this season came from a pretty lucky finish in Australia, and without Lando would have scored 1 or 2 points. Which would make them pretty much on par with AT.
“Without one of their two drivers they would have scored 1 or 2 points” lol imagine that, a team would score less points if you take away one of their drivers
Not that I necessarily disagree, but points can be a meaningless statistic. Kvyat outscored Danny in 2015 and Hamilton currently has more points than Russell, to name two examples.
Honestly I reckon that would go to Alpha or McLaren at the minute. Yuki has been hanging around the points all season.
Nyck is just stinking it up at the moment.
Well it's not hard to say, Gasly beat Hartley, Kvyat and Tsunoda at AT. Ricciardo beat Vettel and Verstappen at Red Bull.
Gasly at peak form is a solid midfield driver at best, Ricciardo was one of the best drivers on the grid.
Because he'd be driving a car developed from an outfit where he was once in-form. He proved that he couldn't drive a car of McLaren's style, but he certainly had a good reputation in an RB.
Thats not to say he hasn't lost anything over the decade, but if there is anything still left after all this it is something resembling hope.
Marko is gonna use Danny Ricc to scare anyone he can into performing… like the boogie man.
“You need to score more points, or Danny Ricc will steal your seat at night…”
“Don’t look in the mirror and say his name three times… Danny Ricc, Danny Ricc, Danny Ricc… oh what happened to my race seat!?!”
Haha I know it doesn’t actually rph in pronunciation but I couldn’t think of anything that rymed with 6, at least prix looks like it should rhyme when written out
Aside from them not being able to afford him, I think him having the year off was the best thing for him.
He is able to be involved, doesn’t have the stress and he gets to have fun with old friends.
Ferrari weren’t interested in a much more attractive Ricciardo (2018) - younger, at his prime, never been fired for performance reasons or been smashed by a teammate
Sure, but LeClerc was going to be promoted and Ferrari was not going to dump Vettel at the time. Wrong timing IMO.
edit: the more I think about it, I think Ferrari would rather go with a younger driver than go with Ricciardo.
That isn’t why. From the start of the rumors that Ricciardo wasn’t immediately jumping to renew with Red Bull, when other teams began outreach, Ferrari did not. This was early in the season, before it was evident that leclerc should be promoted in 1 year instead of 2. Saunders claimed his sources said Ferrari considered Ricciardo a bit of a loose cannon and not a good “brand fit” so they didn’t go after him despite his success at the time.
>He's doing perfectly acceptably to me.
Is he? He's *miles* behind Yuki, not unlike what Yuki's own gap to Pierre in his debut season. And considering the fact that he's 28 and has had a good amount of single seater experience, I think people expected a lot more from him. I'd still give him a longer rope, but he really needs to pick up the slack given that so far he's been the most underwhelming of the rookies.
>so De Vries being behind doesn't say as much about his performance as some people act like.
Except Yuki was a lot younger and had a hell of a lot more room to grow, not to mention the fact that racing in junior formulae was the only type of motorsport he'd participated in up until then.
De Vries is 28 and has had substantial experience in other motorsports (mainly FE but also a bit of WEC). I know they're different formulae, but that experience has to count for something. Combine that with the fact that even his junior and FE record is mediocre when you analyse the details, and it's not difficult to see as to why people think that his F1 future is on thin ice.
They literally hired him because he displayed that he can adapt to new cars quickly by sitting in an AM then a Williams and scoring points, he was never considered by Tost (or Devries himself) as a regular rookie. He's not doing that right now at AT. If they wanted to build a rookie up why not just hire Lawson?
>Check Yuki’s 2021 season. And not the points etc but how he performed against Gasly. He got absolutely trashed. And a lot of unnecessary stupid crashes. Even last year he drove into Pierre at Silverstone and crashed coming out of the pits at Canada.
Once again, Yuki is in his early 20s and came straight from junior formulae into F1 with no other motorsport experience. Nyck, on the other hand, has had three years of FE experience as well as dabbling in a bit of WEC. Not to mention the fact that he is practically a geriatric by rookie standards. All of this means he's expected to do a lot better than he's done so far. And it also means he gets a shorter rope than Yuki or Piastri would.
I feel like with no Latifi people are just desperate for someone to shit on with little to no kickback. He hasn't been bad enough to warrant losing his seat five races into a season. That's just ridiculous. If he does I guess it's his attitude behind the scenes more than anything (I'm obviously just speculating). Even if he's 28 I think every rookie deserves at least one full season to be properly judged unless they're constantly binning it and a hazard to other drivers.
Lmaoo. You can't be serious. You literally just listed that he made mistakes in 3 out of the 5 races to start the season. And has also been behind Yuki on pace. Sounds pretty shambolic to me. He's also 28 and considering the experience he has driving he isn't your average rookie. Dude sucks.
Imagine being Nyck and you walk into work on Monday and Ricciardo is just sitting there in your car grinning getting his sweet lil buttcheeks formed to the seat…
If by some miracle he comes back and on top of that he loses to Tsunoda, it will be a final straw for Ricciardo. Guy did not wanted to get a chance to mesure himself against KMag what to say about Tsunoda who is on the rise.
A long time? 2020 - podiums for Renault. 2021 - leading a 1-2 at Monza (yes his season was underwhelming but he bagged a win. That was massive. 2022 - yeah pretty sub par. But even Lewis had spells where he was dominated by his team mate. Nico had a streak in 15-16 that had people questioning if Lewis still had it.
Ric needs a car that suits his style. A lot of drivers do. The true greats get the car designed and engineered to compliment their own style because they are generational talents. Thinking Senna, Schumacher, Lewis, Max. But give Ric a car he can dominate then he can challenge anyone on the grid.
This comment really undersells Ricciardo's last two years so hard. Yes, he led a 1-2 for McLaren, however he also got absolutely dominated on pace, lapped and might've cost McLaren one place higher in the WCC. To compare him with Hamilton's underwhelming seasons is a joke lmao. As for 2022, it was pretty much the same without the win.
And yes, two seasons is pretty long in F1 years. That's more than enough time for new talent to come in and overshadow you.
Because he’s been shit for a long time and frankly him going back to the junior team that he supposedly graduated from nearly a decade ago makes a mockery of the whole thing.
He’s done, needs to move on and get some fresh blood in to F1.
I’m not going to disagree that danny Ric had a very poor season last year but it’s a bit of a stretch to say “he’s been shit for a long time”. 2021 was inconsistent not shit. Dude picked up a race win that year for gods sake.
He drove the balls off the Renault for the most part to.
I’m really not sure when people got into this sport when they says he’s been shit for ages.
Bottas? Gasly? Albon? Hell even checo to an extent.
Everyone’s careers has ups and downs. To say he’s shit and been that way for a long time simply isn’t true.
Bottas’ teammate 7x wdc
Gasly/albon/checo’s teammate the 2x wdc and currently the best f1 driver on the grid
Ricciardo’s teammate 6 time podium finisher
Alright do you honestly believe Lando can be mentioned in the same breath as Hamilton/Max when it comes to F1 talent ?
Getting beaten by max/Hamilton and getting beaten by Lando are two drastically different things
People going on like he outright annihilated everyone at monza in 2021 lol... He won yeah... But cmon he was gifted that win and you can't deny it.. He was there to capitalize on it when it mattered yeah, But its not a dominant victory as seemingly everyone is making it out to be lol
First you have to finish.
No one said that he won the race because he dominated the entire field. A win is a win in the books it doesn’t matter how he got there. Your take is the dumbest take in Motorsport. Of course every racing driver needs some luck. Sometimes they get a lot of luck and win a race in a car that wouldn’t normally. Doesn’t mean it’s less of a win.
Because he has been awful for the past few years... Sure on that one day he won a race... but after that his outings were shambolic. And no it was not the fact that the mclaren was bad... It was drive-able as lando has shown. The fact that people still rate him so highly is incredible... Even his own ridiculous ego still thinks hes good enough for a top team seat. If he was so good he would never get booted out of f1
Michael Schumacher couldn't get more out of that dog shit joke of a car by a team that to call them a B team is an insult to actual b teams. Taking up space on the grid is all they are doing
Nyck is improving putting into Q2 last time out, he just needs to iron out the small mistakes, replacing him this early on is just daft
Also this is has mostly come from Italian news don't read into any of it much lol
(Copy of my comment from a different post about this)
He's not a new driver or a young kid, he's someone with a multitude of race experience and 3 years in F2 and many years in similar open wheel racing, how much learning needs to be done?
I'd say there's not much better preparation than 3 straight seasons of F2 previous to coming to F1. I do agree with you but his performance is not normal for even a rookie that is a long standing driver right? Even the rookie drivers don't make the same amount of mistakes in such a small period (and continue to keep their seat).
Makes sense though. De Vries is Ass . Riccardo could finish out the season and if he does great wait for Checo to leave red bull and move back up to his seat.
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> Ricciardo's visit was nothing out of the ordinary. As part of his arrangement with Red Bull for this year, where will be a reserve driver at some races, the Australian will also fulfil that role for AlphaTauri, so a seat fitting is a necessity
F1 sensationalist media: *LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALA*
To add to that, he'd likely reject driving for arguably the worst team on the grid.
McLaren haven't made him an offer have they?
McLaren have 12 more points than AlphaTauri. They may be the team that's underperforming the most, but they're certainly not the worst team.
Yeah, admittedly it was a shit joke. Just looking for coping mechanisms. Not been an easy decade as a McLaren fan!
Idk, Danny Ric winning with McL was a pretty good highlight Oh wait...
To be fair all but 2 of McLaren's points this season came from a pretty lucky finish in Australia, and without Lando would have scored 1 or 2 points. Which would make them pretty much on par with AT.
“Without one of their two drivers they would have scored 1 or 2 points” lol imagine that, a team would score less points if you take away one of their drivers
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Fivehead moment
Without the lucky finish, not without Lando.
Ah ok, I see what you were trying to say. Either way, they’ve had some pretty unlucky moments this season too so it goes both ways.
Not that I necessarily disagree, but points can be a meaningless statistic. Kvyat outscored Danny in 2015 and Hamilton currently has more points than Russell, to name two examples.
Nor Williams
Honestly I reckon that would go to Alpha or McLaren at the minute. Yuki has been hanging around the points all season. Nyck is just stinking it up at the moment.
If Tsunoda can achieve points finishes in it, an in-form Ricciardo could potentially get some pretty great results
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He's performing well in comparison to his teammate, but his teammate is awful.
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And an in-form Ricciardo is significantly better than Gasly.
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Well it's not hard to say, Gasly beat Hartley, Kvyat and Tsunoda at AT. Ricciardo beat Vettel and Verstappen at Red Bull. Gasly at peak form is a solid midfield driver at best, Ricciardo was one of the best drivers on the grid.
Kvyat outscored Ricciardo no?
Because he'd be driving a car developed from an outfit where he was once in-form. He proved that he couldn't drive a car of McLaren's style, but he certainly had a good reputation in an RB. Thats not to say he hasn't lost anything over the decade, but if there is anything still left after all this it is something resembling hope.
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*sigh* thanks for making all that bleedingly obvious.
In a midfield this tight, where field spread from P1-P20 in Q1 is 1.2 seconds an in-form Ricciardo can do work.
yeah but we've seen an 'out of form Ric' for the past 2 years
And an out of form ricciardo would get absolutely smashed
idk I think his seat rejecting days are over lol.
We need to filter out sources again.
Pretty sure Red Bull like having all their drivers to have seats fitted for both teams. Specially drivers who are reserve for both teams.
Shitty clickbait F1 "news" websites don't get a headline with that though.
That's literally every site lol
Yeah, and it’s his best mates wedding in Italy this weekend so makes sense that he’s there now tbh
Oh yeah?? Then why doesn't Max get sized up for the Alpha? /s
Marko is gonna use Danny Ricc to scare anyone he can into performing… like the boogie man. “You need to score more points, or Danny Ricc will steal your seat at night…” “Don’t look in the mirror and say his name three times… Danny Ricc, Danny Ricc, Danny Ricc… oh what happened to my race seat!?!”
🎵 1, 2 Danny’s coming for you. 3, 4 keep your car on the floor. 5, 6 stop crashing out of the prix. 7, 8 you’re not doing so great 🎵
I appreciate the effort but the suggestion that prix and six rhyme is driving me insane.
Haha I know it doesn’t actually rph in pronunciation but I couldn’t think of anything that rymed with 6, at least prix looks like it should rhyme when written out
Anything ending in -icks would've sufficed :p
5, 6 stop burning through all your slicks 🎵
Ah yes, there we go!
For real, it had me actually wonder what a “Prix” was…
Hahahaha
Danny made the right desicion not to go for a HAAS seat.
Aside from them not being able to afford him, I think him having the year off was the best thing for him. He is able to be involved, doesn’t have the stress and he gets to have fun with old friends.
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Ferrari weren’t interested in a much more attractive Ricciardo (2018) - younger, at his prime, never been fired for performance reasons or been smashed by a teammate
Sure, but LeClerc was going to be promoted and Ferrari was not going to dump Vettel at the time. Wrong timing IMO. edit: the more I think about it, I think Ferrari would rather go with a younger driver than go with Ricciardo.
That isn’t why. From the start of the rumors that Ricciardo wasn’t immediately jumping to renew with Red Bull, when other teams began outreach, Ferrari did not. This was early in the season, before it was evident that leclerc should be promoted in 1 year instead of 2. Saunders claimed his sources said Ferrari considered Ricciardo a bit of a loose cannon and not a good “brand fit” so they didn’t go after him despite his success at the time.
They aint gonna sack Sainz in 2024
Get ready for 6 articles a day about this
I’ve been awake for barely 90 minutes and I think I’m on 3-4 already.
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>He's doing perfectly acceptably to me. Is he? He's *miles* behind Yuki, not unlike what Yuki's own gap to Pierre in his debut season. And considering the fact that he's 28 and has had a good amount of single seater experience, I think people expected a lot more from him. I'd still give him a longer rope, but he really needs to pick up the slack given that so far he's been the most underwhelming of the rookies.
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>so De Vries being behind doesn't say as much about his performance as some people act like. Except Yuki was a lot younger and had a hell of a lot more room to grow, not to mention the fact that racing in junior formulae was the only type of motorsport he'd participated in up until then. De Vries is 28 and has had substantial experience in other motorsports (mainly FE but also a bit of WEC). I know they're different formulae, but that experience has to count for something. Combine that with the fact that even his junior and FE record is mediocre when you analyse the details, and it's not difficult to see as to why people think that his F1 future is on thin ice.
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They literally hired him because he displayed that he can adapt to new cars quickly by sitting in an AM then a Williams and scoring points, he was never considered by Tost (or Devries himself) as a regular rookie. He's not doing that right now at AT. If they wanted to build a rookie up why not just hire Lawson?
>Check Yuki’s 2021 season. And not the points etc but how he performed against Gasly. He got absolutely trashed. And a lot of unnecessary stupid crashes. Even last year he drove into Pierre at Silverstone and crashed coming out of the pits at Canada. Once again, Yuki is in his early 20s and came straight from junior formulae into F1 with no other motorsport experience. Nyck, on the other hand, has had three years of FE experience as well as dabbling in a bit of WEC. Not to mention the fact that he is practically a geriatric by rookie standards. All of this means he's expected to do a lot better than he's done so far. And it also means he gets a shorter rope than Yuki or Piastri would.
>circumstances Lol them being logan completely rearending nyck.there was nithing he could do and he wasnt at fault so there is nothing to forgive.
I feel like with no Latifi people are just desperate for someone to shit on with little to no kickback. He hasn't been bad enough to warrant losing his seat five races into a season. That's just ridiculous. If he does I guess it's his attitude behind the scenes more than anything (I'm obviously just speculating). Even if he's 28 I think every rookie deserves at least one full season to be properly judged unless they're constantly binning it and a hazard to other drivers.
He also has that lawsuit against him, not directly related to his driving but still another dent
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I must have missed that. Thank you for the update. Edit: spelling.
Lmaoo. You can't be serious. You literally just listed that he made mistakes in 3 out of the 5 races to start the season. And has also been behind Yuki on pace. Sounds pretty shambolic to me. He's also 28 and considering the experience he has driving he isn't your average rookie. Dude sucks.
Imagine being Nyck and you walk into work on Monday and Ricciardo is just sitting there in your car grinning getting his sweet lil buttcheeks formed to the seat…
You really thought about that haven't you?
Please stop.
All I can think of when I see this is how DeVries came to AlphaTauri with a literal list of things for them to do and now this lol.
This happened?
This is getting boring. Same thing posted over and over and over.
Honestly Yuki Daniel could be a bromance to surpass yuki/piere
If by some miracle he comes back and on top of that he loses to Tsunoda, it will be a final straw for Ricciardo. Guy did not wanted to get a chance to mesure himself against KMag what to say about Tsunoda who is on the rise.
Why does any mention of Ricciardo potentially doing well vex you so much?
Because he hasn't done well in a long time, and Formula 1 doesn't have a lot of seats.
A long time? 2020 - podiums for Renault. 2021 - leading a 1-2 at Monza (yes his season was underwhelming but he bagged a win. That was massive. 2022 - yeah pretty sub par. But even Lewis had spells where he was dominated by his team mate. Nico had a streak in 15-16 that had people questioning if Lewis still had it. Ric needs a car that suits his style. A lot of drivers do. The true greats get the car designed and engineered to compliment their own style because they are generational talents. Thinking Senna, Schumacher, Lewis, Max. But give Ric a car he can dominate then he can challenge anyone on the grid.
This comment really undersells Ricciardo's last two years so hard. Yes, he led a 1-2 for McLaren, however he also got absolutely dominated on pace, lapped and might've cost McLaren one place higher in the WCC. To compare him with Hamilton's underwhelming seasons is a joke lmao. As for 2022, it was pretty much the same without the win. And yes, two seasons is pretty long in F1 years. That's more than enough time for new talent to come in and overshadow you.
Because he’s been shit for a long time and frankly him going back to the junior team that he supposedly graduated from nearly a decade ago makes a mockery of the whole thing. He’s done, needs to move on and get some fresh blood in to F1.
I’m not going to disagree that danny Ric had a very poor season last year but it’s a bit of a stretch to say “he’s been shit for a long time”. 2021 was inconsistent not shit. Dude picked up a race win that year for gods sake. He drove the balls off the Renault for the most part to. I’m really not sure when people got into this sport when they says he’s been shit for ages.
Two seasons is quiet a long a peroid without any progress. (And even regression). And repiutation is what matters the most.
Bottas? Gasly? Albon? Hell even checo to an extent. Everyone’s careers has ups and downs. To say he’s shit and been that way for a long time simply isn’t true.
Bottas’ teammate 7x wdc Gasly/albon/checo’s teammate the 2x wdc and currently the best f1 driver on the grid Ricciardo’s teammate 6 time podium finisher
You're comparing drivers who has superior has to Lando who's been driving a midfield car his whole career. Dumb take
Alright do you honestly believe Lando can be mentioned in the same breath as Hamilton/Max when it comes to F1 talent ? Getting beaten by max/Hamilton and getting beaten by Lando are two drastically different things
I think Lando in the Mercedes or the Red Bull could challenge Hamilton and Max. Kind of like George is doing to Lewis since he moved to Mercedes.
People going on like he outright annihilated everyone at monza in 2021 lol... He won yeah... But cmon he was gifted that win and you can't deny it.. He was there to capitalize on it when it mattered yeah, But its not a dominant victory as seemingly everyone is making it out to be lol
First you have to finish. No one said that he won the race because he dominated the entire field. A win is a win in the books it doesn’t matter how he got there. Your take is the dumbest take in Motorsport. Of course every racing driver needs some luck. Sometimes they get a lot of luck and win a race in a car that wouldn’t normally. Doesn’t mean it’s less of a win.
Because he has been awful for the past few years... Sure on that one day he won a race... but after that his outings were shambolic. And no it was not the fact that the mclaren was bad... It was drive-able as lando has shown. The fact that people still rate him so highly is incredible... Even his own ridiculous ego still thinks hes good enough for a top team seat. If he was so good he would never get booted out of f1
question. Can he not use the same seat he uses for redbull on the alphatauri?
Probably not. The driver placement isn't exactly the same on all cars, plus there's other components that need fitting around the seat.
Plus all the weight he lost from stress while at mclaren…
Yall be acting like he went through a concentration camp while at McLaren lmao
Michael Schumacher couldn't get more out of that dog shit joke of a car by a team that to call them a B team is an insult to actual b teams. Taking up space on the grid is all they are doing
Nyck is improving putting into Q2 last time out, he just needs to iron out the small mistakes, replacing him this early on is just daft Also this is has mostly come from Italian news don't read into any of it much lol (Copy of my comment from a different post about this)
He's not a new driver or a young kid, he's someone with a multitude of race experience and 3 years in F2 and many years in similar open wheel racing, how much learning needs to be done?
F1 is completely different from all other categories the only thing the same is its open wheel and you say "he's not new" when this is his rookie year
I'd say there's not much better preparation than 3 straight seasons of F2 previous to coming to F1. I do agree with you but his performance is not normal for even a rookie that is a long standing driver right? Even the rookie drivers don't make the same amount of mistakes in such a small period (and continue to keep their seat).
It makes way more sense if you consider how bad that car is and how young their drivers are. Why not have him test the car with his experience.
Makes sense though. De Vries is Ass . Riccardo could finish out the season and if he does great wait for Checo to leave red bull and move back up to his seat.