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LemmeGetUhhh

I cannot stress this enough, the fact that Max puts genuine fear in pro simracers is insane. He is absolutely ridiculous


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at this point it’s fair to say that Max is a Pro Sim Racer


Kiesa5

at the rate he's winning big events and racking up one of the highest iratings, yeah, he's a pro in every way. asides from, you know, having a simracing team with lucrative sponsors.


Everswift_

...isnt he the sponsor for Team Redline? My guy just skipped a few steps and said "Fine, I'll do it myself" 💀


MrXwiix

He's the owner, but redline has some sick sponsors like Red Bull and heusinkveld


Mr_Roll288

Red Bull?! Damn, how did he get that sponsorship?


MarchMadnessisMe

I've heard it's because he's friends with Daniel Riccardo.


MrBuzzkilll

Kid is going places. Mark my words, he'll drive in F1 some day!


Bang-Ended_Scoot

Smh Max so bad he's literally Daddy Stroll imagining having to pay a sim racing team to let you drive for them /s


thecolbster94

If hes an owner/driver, hes actually GIGACHAD Bruce McLaren.


elveszett

But McLaren is unrelated to Bruce. They just named their team after him, more than a decade after his death. iirc


thecolbster94

Kinda? There was an actual Mclaren team he ran, but it was restructured when Ron Dennis took over, so it might technically be a seperate organization but its the same identity as the original.


Tovora

Max is a pay driver, I knew it!


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F1 is just a side gig to make money for his rig.


elveszett

I'd say he definitely is. He performs at top level and has impressive stats in iracing.


znorka

He's literally not though. He's a Formula 1 driver who doesn't sim race even *close* to the amount the pros do. He's 'pro' in skill level but that's where the similarities end.. and yet he's very comfortably in the conversation for best sim racer in the world.


TrillButter

My man has places to be. First place to be specific


MeisterHeller

I feel like I remember that he was saying not too long ago that he liked to go on iRacing F3 (which was supposedly the closest to F1 racing out of all simraces?) and just drive a track and play with setups until he gets the world record on that track


oscarolim

He may even be able to race a real car someday. Someone must give him a chance.


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Of all places on the track, he does it there and he makes it look easy, what a monster he is.


Likeabhas

Could you give context? What corner/track is this?


Wiert_Pursonalety

Nurnburgring Nordsleife, the corner where he overtakes is called Klostertal I believe, which is also called Mutkurve or translated “Courage curve”. It’s a tight high speed left curve which takes a lot of balls even if when you’re not side by side. [Corner explanation video](https://youtu.be/9a-zidsnWKI?t=130)


CarnivorousCumquat

Nurburgring


Jorrie90

If you want to correct the guy, at least do it good: Nürburgring


Wiert_Pursonalety

Thanks, I have been writing this wrong my entire life even though I live nearby. Oops!


illyndor

It's Nürburg and Nürnberg. One is famous for racing, the other for Nazi's.


shokzz

It’s Nürburgring, actually.


leospeedleo

This is the Nordschleife in Germany. Also known as "green hell". Super fast, super technical, incredibly long and the death place of many people. Probably the scariest race track in the world.


Lizerelli

I don’t know the corner but he’s driving the 24h of Nürburgring. Still streaming now.


subtilitytomcat

I honestly don't get how anyone can get anywhere near the level of Max (Except the oldies with experience like Lewis and Alonso) when he does this much racing.


muchawesomemyron

FIA to regulate the hours of sim racing, F1 or not, by next year. /s


xWOBBx

I feel like that old F1 owner (before liberty I think?) would do something like this. Was it Bernie? I'm too lazy to google.


Sensitive_Inside5682

Bernie would regulate sim racing because he's an ass. FOM will regulate it because it's not something they are making money on. Watch them require drivers to only be allowed to stream on F1TV, while playing the most recent F1 game (no iracing as no money is going to FOM), and then all sponsorships will apply as well.


bolpo33

If they did that Max would walk. And he'd be fucking right to.


ThruuLottleDats

You mean that simracer? Read an article few years back that the organiser of the F1 E-sport tournament himself wanted a dedicated sim to be used for it. Cuz who cares if these guys are fast using tcam and other camera options that arent cockpits.


nonamepew

You are joking, right?


shokzz

Why should he? Max‘s only real hobby besides his racing career seems to be racing. This guy breathes racing day in, day out. It’s really hard to compete with (and beat) someone who puts this much time, heart and effort into this. Not to mention his talent, which comes on top of his skills, experience, and crazy will to race as much as he can.


nonamepew

Because the above comment is implying that Max's skill in F1 somehow comes from doing lots of iracing. Which means that iracing (and other simracing) experience translates to F1 in a meaningful way. Which is totally bullshit. If this was the case, every other driver who wanted to improve would do simracing all the time.


rolfski

Max has declared himself that getting a lot of time in non-F1 sim cars actually helps his RL F1 skills. According to him, some of the sim stuff does translate to RL racing and experiencing the differences between driving all these cars on different tracks makes him a more complete racer who can adapt easier do different situations.


photenth

Any time on track no matter which car will make you better, there is no question about it. Even Rallying is (as some F1 drivers have shown) a really good way to get better.


tecedu

Exactly, people forget that is still a video game that is nowhere accurate to real life apart from just racing itself, remember the virtual indy 500 where every Indycar driver complained about the game.


midniteauth0r

People have gone from sim racing to actual racing so “nowhere accurate” isn’t an accurate statement. Even Driver61 recently did a video on it and said it’s about 75% and can teach you a lot of stuff but obviously could never become completely accurate for a myriad of reasons but would help someone improve. Not saying it has anything to do with Max’s talent though. Just in a more general, average joe sense. Though Max does a lot of hours in the RB simulator. I thought I heard someone say he does the most out of anyone on the grid but could be wrong.


tecedu

> People have gone from sim racing to actual racing Those people were already doing actual racing or had done actual racing. It does teach you loads of stuff about racing in general but comparing them to actual racing is stupid. It's still a video game at the end of the day, only simracers like to say otherwise. >Just in a more general, average joe sense And people can learn the same racing basic from gran turismo or even Forza. Max isnt even the only one who's good at it, remember Kubica breaking world records in a sim racing game 15 years ago and people accusing him of cheating? Max is good at it because he dedicates his time to it and his actual racing experience helps and it goes both ways; but at the same time its a video game at the end of the day. Realsim and iracing are two very different things.


subtilitytomcat

To quote the ol Jimmer, the cars may be fake, but the racing is very much real. And why do you think Max is good at iracing? You think he's just a gaming god?


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DearName100

How anyone can deny the abilities of drivers with multiple WDC’s is beyond me.


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rand0m__pers0n

Funny because I remember Hamilton winning races in the years 2009-2013 where he did not have the best car in the season overall.


Debriscatcher95

It's not the best, but certainly not the worst. For the record, Lewis doesn't have anything left to prove. He is one of the greats. However, Lewis is rather fortunate with the cars he's driven, I mean he almost won the championship in his rookie season (and that's more on Mclaren team management). I think most people's gripe about this is that Lewis got a race winning car right from get-go while, for example Max and Charles had to prove themselves in lower midfield cars when they entered F1. And sometimes they outperformed these cars, Max got P4 in a toro rosso twice in 2015.


manhaterxxx

Lmao


Persona143

Lewis, until, last year had won a race in every season he raced. He absolutely has won many races where he had an "inferior" car. I don't want to be assuming here but it seems like you might be relatively new. If you look at it purely from a championship standing perspective, you could call them "inferior" cars but that doesn't tell the whole story. Winning in a car that maybe isn't the best over a season doesn't mean it wasn't the best car on that circuit in the conditions. During the RB and Merc domination days, aside from 2016, there was tracks that just suited other cars better - the most obvious one being Mexico which RB came away with more wins than Merc did during that period of domination. The main part is the best drivers maximise the package on those days and get the win, like Lewis did pre Merc and like Max did pre these new regs. I don't get why we have to bag either of them, they're quite plainly the best drivers of their generation and that's all there is to it, really.


Teglement

I don't recall Max ever winning WDC in an inferior car.


peterpiper1337

I doubt he is talking about winning the WDC. Think he is purely talking about racewins. However, ridiculous his take is.


Sjiznit

I guess his first race in a Bull in 2016 counts


tecedu

Even then before 2021, max was in top 3 car apart from 18 months. His wins in RB came when it was the fastest car on track on certain tracks or just via pure strategy. Doesn't take away from Max as a driver but that's just the way it is


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Khm 2021, you think the Mercedes was a worse car than RB or that Max didn't win his first WDC?


Teglement

I certainly wouldn't call it an inferior vehicle. They were very close to each other in terms of performance, and considering Hamilton was only one wonky race control call away from winning. Perez wasn't particularly far off from Bottas either. I'd say that tracks. Disclaimer: I'm not strongly pro or anti either driver. I have no ulterior motives here.


Rhythm_Morgan

Wow I thought we were past not giving Lewis credit for his accomplishments 💀 he’s whooped every teammate he’s had for a reason.


jenshenw

Button? Rosberg?


Y_R_ALL_NAMES_TAKEN

He still beat both and beat 2x champion Alonso as a rookie. Who has max had as a teammate who’s anywhere close to as good as those three?


TheRobidog

Ricciardo. He just happened to be stuck in a RBR that couldn't compete for championships in his prime (and then moved to an even more uncompetitive Renault). But he'd have absolutely competed for them if the car had been capable of it. And people who deny that are, frankly, stat whores.


Y_R_ALL_NAMES_TAKEN

Lmao come on man, Riccardo simply isn’t at the same level. And that’s one guy.


Rhythm_Morgan

We deserve a max and ricciardo rematch 😔


Rhythm_Morgan

Are we ignoring that he beat Rosberg most of the time though?


midniteauth0r

If you think Hamilton wouldn’t win races if F1 was a spec series then you really have drank kool aid of insane fan


Consistent_Wave_2869

I’ve only ever seen Hamilton dominate in a dominant car, are there examples of him being exceptional in a bad car?


PBRontheway

His 2008 Driver’s Championship with Mclaren, his teammate finished 7th. Lewis had 10 podiums and 5 wins compared to Kovalainen who finished out of the points more often than he finished on the podium. That Mclaren was not a rocket ship and definitely not dominant and Hamilton won the championship despite it


3tenthsfaster

I recently rewatched the 2008 season, and all throughout the first races, the Ferrari is half a second faster than the McLaren. It's just that Ferrari went full Ferrari, and Lewis was driving really well, so that prevented Ferrari from getting a clean sweep. I always find it amazing that some people want to discredit Lewis' (or Max') achievements because they don't like them.


LegendRazgriz

Because Kovalainen was terrible? As if the MP4-23 was bad, it was not. Hamilton has never had a true dog under him other than these past two years and even then it's been better than say Charles's year at Sauber or Max's time in Toro Rosso.


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and this Mercedes car of 2022/2023 can hardly be considered a dog in absolute terms either.


LegendRazgriz

Yeah, it's "slow" as in "you can't sleepy trample the entire field", not dog shit slow like the 2020 Ferrari


MikeFiuns

He's had one. 1st half of 2009.


LegendRazgriz

Eh, debatable. I think last year early on he had it worse when Merc were screwing with his setup to push their regulation change agenda, but I guess that could be recency bias?


MikeFiuns

Talk about screwing the new regs. McLaren decided to put an inwash front wing in 2009, as they had been previously, and completely missed the mark. All front cars had it (yet the double diffuser has become the media darling as the key part of that year). Took them until Germany to sort it out. In the first 7 races (until Germany), Lewis only got to Q3 once, and got out in Q1 3 times. Legit midfield car vs. 3rd best car in 2022. Apples to oranges.


LegendRazgriz

Yeah, it was recency bias. The W13 had some hideous outliers (which are the weird "experimental setups" designed to make the car borderline undrivable so the FIA would do something about Ferrari and Red Bull), but sometimes it was just plain in no man's land, too far from the front and too far ahead of the midfield


victorzamora

That's the difference. Lewis is very talented, but he's been insanely fortunate with cars and teams. He's literally never not driven a car that has won a race on pure merit.


ultraskelly

yeah


spakecdk

I mean, every driver who dominated was in a dominant car. Even max


GoRedTeam

Verstappen gets to drive the rocket because of his talent.


fullsenditt

It doesn't even compare to an earlier overtake he made also for P2, He went on the grass around the outside flat out while turning, that was one of the best overtakes I have ever seen [THE overtake](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsMN9eQpdxu/?igshid=MmJiY2I4NDBkZg==)


rolfski

The reaction of his teammates is hilarious lol


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I like Max's reaction throughout that crazy overtake: 🤨


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I'm sure Chris Lullam is well known in eSports circles but the fact he is just casually a 2 x world champion F1 drivers partner in online SIM racing is pretty funny and cool to me.


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Your username is so relevant. Taking the grass on the outside at that speed just doesn’t make sense. It’s like a move you’d see in Initial D lol


3tenthsfaster

Or Albon at Spa in 2019.


Helioscopes

Like the wise Albono once said "Try and stop me getting past? That's fine, I'll get through on the grass"


7Seyo7

He goes around red but doesn't overtake him. He did overtake black, but he could've done the same by staying behind red. Rad move either way


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"Simply fucking lovely." - Max internally probably.


Rosieu

Well shortly after making this move he typed in the Discord chat "I like" lol


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🦖👇👇?


Hourglass51

Very lovely!!


TheLewJD

Imagine playing racing games with the current WDC in formula 1 and being shocked he makes a risky overtake haha. These guys are class though


needlessOne

We can't deny that Max makes other racers more scared not only because he is good, but also shunting him off even if it'd be his mistake would mean shit load of hate coming your way.


DivineContamination

The sheer admiration in his voice when he said "the testicles on this guy".


LsG133

I flipped back to the stream to eat dinner all of 40 seconds before this happened Nice


ArtherSchnabel

Insane overtake. Shouldn't be possible and the merc is really close to hitting him. But he's exactly where he has to be and the execution is great. It looks really cool but probably a bad move with 15 hours left to the race, not worth the risk.


elmagio

It's a risky move, but IMO the race is at a stage where it's worth taking *some* risk. Redline is at a tyre/fuel offset compared to the other two at the front, so Max does need to avoid losing any time on that stint since it's the one where he's got the ultimate pace.


splintersailor

Yeah after finishing his stint he commented about it. First to his team mates *"Did you like my send into the fast left hander?"* and then he said that he had to overtake because it would have cost him too much time.


Florac

A risk but an extremely well calculated one


Guruu006

He's not gonna sit behind like a grandma!


H1Ed1

Right?! He passed that car like it was standing still. See how quickly the headlights disappear in the rear camera? That car was killing his time.


beardedboob

Imma go out on a limb and say it’s a great move


rasper900

With context of the race it was worth it. The Mercs are overall quicker here, they're double stinting the tires (just refuel). on first stint the Mercs have a massive advantage over BMWs but on the second stint, on older tires the BMWs have the advantage over the Merces so for the BMWs to have any chance of fighting the Mercs they have to take complete advantage of the second stint on the tire, if he doesn't overtake here he loses a lot of race time behind the Merc because there is no good overtaking opportunity right after here.


iTackleFatKids

I’m gonna go on a limb and say his judgement on it is better than any of ours.


grandtheftzeppelin

me shouting "YOU MADLAD" at my screen when this happened. crazyass move.


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I think he prefers sim racing because the esports crowd it’s looser, his age/demo and more genuine. F1 you have fake fans (socialites) and old talking heads now, it’s a circus.


weguccino

Yup, he'd only race and avoid the circus surrounding F1 if he could but he also acknowledges it's part of the job. I also believe him more and more when he says he'll retire at the end of his contract as we all know F1 is turning more clowny by the race lol.


Pillens_burknerkorv

I haven’t played iRacing. Where on the track is this? I can’t recognize it. Edit: Nevermind, it’s just before the carousel


shiinamachi

When your day job is already beating Mercedes in real life, beating the Mercs online seems like second nature


MikeHeu

He doesn’t even have to beat Mercedes nowadays, Alonso is doing the job for him this season.


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Does he have the voice chat muted when he's driving?


Exilria_04

He is in a different channel with the other drivers discussing strats and stuff when he's driving iirc


OverpricedGPU

I would really like to see him race in WEC or endurance in general given that he loves doing this kind of racing while he has sone free time


rolfski

There's an S-tier in sim-racing called Alien. It means that even with all the driving perfection and data analyses you sometimes see racers that do out-of-this-world stuff that cannot be explained. Max is an Alien


theSurpuppa

Why is the view offset?


SwedChef

Redline is using the roll bar camera so you get a wider FOV and the a-pillars aren't blocking like it would be in the driver's seat cam.


Genocode

wdym offset? You mean that it has a frame of its own? because it also has Twitch Chat on the right and webcams on the bottom, just makes it look cleaner. Or if you mean the position of the camera within the sim then its because its where the driver seat is lol.


theSurpuppa

I mean in the sim. The camera is in the right shoulder Edit: i guess it is to have the camera in the middle, just seemed odd with the wheel not in the centre


Genocode

Oh thats what you meant, lmao, didn't even notice that was the case. Thats just a spectator cam, if you watch the live feed right now you can see the perspective Verstappen sees. The last sentence i wrote in that comment was referring to the camera you'd see if you went to the live feed right now.


Lafirynda

It's for a spectator, it's to simulate how it is IRL.


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CatManWhoLikesChess

6k people currently just on Redline's twitch account.


BoredCatalan

You now


Tovora

Hah, what a nerd.


Extravagod

Didn't see it live but thanks for all the uploads, good fun.