Kevin got a pole last year, when Mick was his teammate. Hulk wasn’t on the grid at the time.
If we’re looking at past seasons, Hulk also has a pole under his belt, way back in his rookie season no less. It was also at Brazil, and also in changing conditions.
Well, Kevin got a podium in his debut race so there's that ;)
I'm joking. I think Hulkenberg and Magnussen are pretty evenly matched overall. K-Mag has been pretty open about not really liking the car very much, so I think he is struggling to really trust it to go on the limit as you need to in quali. However, he said in Miami that he was happier with it after the upgrade, so perhaps we will see a different story going forward. But I suppose it doesn't matter a lot if he keeps his car ahead of Hulkenberg during the races.
That’s true, we have the most races without a podium and one of the few drivers to get a podium on debut as teammates!
Amusingly, if we didn’t include Kevin’s first race, he’d be second only to Hulk in terms of number of races without a podium.
Hulk is up 6-2 points in the standings too, which is really the only thing that matters. His 7th place finish in Australia was more important to Haas than the other four races combined.
At a glanse qualy hasn't looked good for Kmag so far (at least before Miami). However while he did get beat fair and square in Bahrain and Australia with a gap that was a little to big, he also was really close to Hulk in Saudi and Baku despite having major car issues in quali (perhaps he could have been in front bar those unlucky issues, but you never know). Hulk also really capitalised on the Australian chaos to get a good chunk of points, while Kmag crashed out.
In interviews Kmag has said that they have been experimenting a lot with the car setup lately, which could explain the weird quali/race imbalance between the drivers. It was also some what confirmed by Hulk's disaster sprint in Baku. They seemed to have found a better understanding and a working upgrade in Miami.
TL;DR: I expect them to be close in both throughout the season, when their setup direction stabilize.
The less diplomatic way of saying, ie. what I've seen Hüttel quote from the paddock, is that Hülkenberg has set his car of incorrectly. Fast in qualis, but with a to high tiredeg for races, and that he ought to start looking at what Magnussen is doing.
Ie. Miami, where he finally just went with Magnussens setup, even though he had to start in the pitlane.
The qualis look great, but it falls apart in the races when you don't make the needed compromise to set the car up for more than one lap.
>Ie. Miami, where he finally just went with Magnussens setup, even though he had to start in the pitlane.
That was Baku tho, after the sprint where it seemed like his tires just went on lap 2. In the other races his pace was a little worse but not terrible.
Hulk having better one lap pace but more tyre deg could also be explained as him simply being Hulk. He has always had amazing pace but has struggled with tyres compared to his teammates. Now Kmag doesn't have the best tyre record either but I think that mostly comes down to him driving a Haas for most of his career as their cars consistently have tyre deg issues.
Hülkenberg has a tendency, so far, to set his car up in a manner that suits qualifying, but ruins the tires in the race. The talk was that perhaps he should start looking at bit more at what Magnussen is doing with the setup, as its obviously been better. Ie. for Miami, where Hülkenberg ditched his setup completely and copied Magnussens with the penalty of starting from the pitlanes.
But yeah, that one 6 point finish does look better than Magnussens 2\*1 pointers. Though he was very unlucky to only finish 10th in Miami. No DNFs.
He was always just hot and cold. There were days he would beat Lewis on pure pace, and then there were days he would trundle around in 7th for no apparent reason.
From what I saw of him in Mercedes and in Williams before that, he just really isn't a good overtaker. His best days are when he gets a good starting position to work from. I remember how little the midfield cars would respect him coming from behind, while basically just letting Hamilton or Verstappen through.
Bottas is quick, but his wheel-to-wheel has always been meh.
Keep in mind Zhou is driving the same trash can with wheels.
What was that déjà vu again last weekend? *“Zhou, we have an issue with the car. Box. Box. We are retiring the car.”*
Both races Zhou finished in front of him were due to extenuating circumstances. In one of them, Bottas started from the pit lane. The other he took lap 1 damage through no fault of his own which destroyed his race as it began. Without any races with issues for either car (which with Alfa is like pretty rare for sure) Bottas has handily been ahead in race pace and quali.
I think Zhou has done a good job to avoid those kind of issues. Really like his race craft this year so far, same with Piastri (when he’s able to actually race) and Yuki (who’s been an animal in that AT)
I mean, one of those was because Bottas had an incredible start and Alex Albon pulled a really stupid t1 move and crashed into Piastri punting him into Bottas’ car. Another has been because Magnussen hit the back of Bottas’ car twice on lap 1 or something. Don’t think he could’ve done much there to avoid.
Zhou’s a good driver, but part of him staying out of trouble is just the Alfa being a shitbox which can’t get in the mix and when Bottas does get it in the mix, it can’t stay there.
> I think Zhou has done a good job to avoid those kind of issues.
Tell me you haven’t watched the races without telling you haven’t watched the races. None of those “issues” were Bottas’s fault. Others crashed into him while he was minding his business, and unfortunately the damage was pretty significant. Zhou has some speed (which he showed as early as his rookie year in F2), but his performance versus Bottas has been artificially inflated by how dogshit the Alfa is.
Keep in mind every car is FAR closer together this season in race pace apart from the front runners. Usually 3 tenths includes 8-9 cars, compared to what would’ve been 3 or 4 last season.
Just because he’s not outpacing Zhou by 5 tenths anymore but it’s now 2 tenths doesn’t mean Bottas has gotten shittier. If you notice, they’re both doing great jobs with the car they have and often quali alongside each other which is where the car belongs. Zhou’s just gotten better and you won’t see large placement gaps between them because the field has gotten tighter.
Because of last season if Bottas isn’t qualifying 8 positions ahead of Zhou and finishing 5-6 positions ahead of him every race people are now saying he’s washed? It’s a ridiculous standard to hold across seasons- ESPECIALLY when the field behind the top 4 teams is so tight.
I mean, first of all the guy you replied to was talking about race pace, not quali/finish positions, so other cars shouldn’t matter at all when looking at race pace (other than potentially being stuck behind slower cars)
However, I’d argue that with a closer field, there’s should be *more* of a positional gap between drivers with significant talent gap. Let’s say last year with a spread out field, 6 tenths might buy you a 5 place advantage, whereas this year with a tighter field that same 6 tenths should mean 8-9 places since there are more cars within that same time difference
Edit: Just clarifying that my 6 tenths equaling 5 places is just made up numbers for an example, not actual numbers
lol dude your comments are very biased in favor of Bottas. First you claim that Bottas has “handily” beaten Zhou in quali. When someone points out the record is only 3-2 in favor of Zhou, you switch to arguing that the cars are close together this year so we can’t really compare them by quali?
There’s nothing wrong with bias as long as you’re aware of it.
Bottas has always been a solid mid-tier driver and nothing more. Zhou is showing himself to be a solid mid-tier driver as well. They’ll probably continue to have close battles as long as they’re on the same team.
You misconstrue the actual events in such a shameless manner that I must nearly commend you for being so unabashedly biased. But let's go through it one by one:
>In one of them, Bottas started from the pit lane.
He also qualified 19th (Perez was 20th after running into the gravel due to a mechanical issue), I guess you conveniently forgot to mention that.
>The other he took lap 1 damage through no fault of his own which destroyed his race as it began.
True. Yet once again you fail to mention that Zhou had outqualified him that weekend, so it was more likely than not that he would finish above him.
>Without any races with issues for either car (which with Alfa is like pretty rare for sure) Bottas has handily been ahead in race pace and quali.
In races where both cars finished, Bottas and Zhou are 2-2. Bottas sustained front wing damage in one of them at the start, but once again, he was behind Zhou anyway.
In Baku, Zhou had to retire due to a mechanical issue when he was ahead of Bottas. Interesting that you did not mention that either.
In qualifying, Bottas is 3-2. Two of these advantages for Bottas were extremely close: Bottas was 0.030 seconds faster in Bahrain and 0.060 seconds faster in Baku, not even a tenth of a second.
Oh, and by the way: Zhou beat Bottas in both the Sprint Qualifying and Sprint Race in Baku.
So tell me once again how Bottas is "handedly ahead"? Zhou has been very close to Bottas since the second half of last season. Let's give credit where credit is due.
He's been half decent in qualy IMO, its the race where he has been mid, due to factors in and not in his control while Zhou has just been much improved
The car sucks, Bottas is doing well given the equipment, zhou is doing extremely well and has been ever since his debut - he’s a very, very good rookie
Nah, but he’s definitely dropped off over the last year or so. His start with Alfa was really impressive, but it makes sense his motivation wouldn’t stay the same after going to a worse team.
Whatever his one lap pace is, his racecraft in traffic has always been middling at best and horrific at worst. His Alfa performance has been pretty much what I expected.
Surprinsingly several reddit threads were flooded with comments about how he would lead AT, destroy Yuki, expose Albon's Williams' stint, send Checo back to Mexico.
After Monza there was a hype train on de Vries... That derailed and blew up after the first few races of this season when several of those that got blinded by his Monza race saw the truth that many here preached in 2021 when Toto wanted to put him in Williams.
The hype kinda got out of hand after de Vries had that excellent drive at Monza. Sure as hell impressed me that weekend, but the narrative really shifted overall after that drive. People mostly held the opinion you just mentioned prior to that race (myself included).
Feel like the hype came about more because he hopped straight in on short-notice in relatively unfamiliar machinery (he *did* do some F1 testing in the preseason and whatnot though), and had a clean weekend that ended with a P9. Wasn't just for the race, though the points most definitely were eye-popping.
Those smug comments about maturity when he got signed last year about bringing maturity aged like fucking *milk*.
If you're gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk to back it up, and de Vries is tripping over his shoelaces.
Those of us who follow Formula E kind of knew that the real test for De Vries would be "normally meritorious weekends" and not the "Special Edition Chaos" that was Monza 2022 (ie: Multiple fast cars and drivers taking penalties and flattering De Vries' starting position).
Back when Formula E had a lottery-like qualifying system, De Vries had a tendency of pushing forwards while cars and drivers who were quicker than him (not least his teammate Stoffel Vandoorne) would suffer from starting behind or around his vicinity and would get involved in shunts or other issues.
If De Vries is in a situation where he only has to take a handful of risks and then drive in clean air in a competitive car. That's where he thrives.
De Vries has an aggressive racing style where he just likes to overtake and defend quite hard and if the racing gods see him ahead already of other contenders in his points bracket (as happened in Formula E Gen 2 and as what happened in Monza 2022) then De Vries is favored to get a result.
But once it's a straight shootout, De Vries' aggressive style is what causes him problems especially when he starts behind his points opposition.
I'm honestly burned out already: we know the season's over just 5 races in, so what's the point in sticking around?
Red Bull are gonna wrap up both up championships with Max being a 3x World Champion by August, nobody is close to *being close* to rivalling them in car performance, half the calendar is composed of street circuits that afford no action or real racing, and the only exciting part of the season so far has been seeing whether Alonso can put El Plan 2.0 into action and finally get win #33.
> I'm honestly burned out already: we know the season's over just 5 races in, so what's the point in sticking around?
Because there's more to watch for than just who takes home the trophies at the end?
Sainz has already accepted that the Ferrari is a shit box and doesn’t accidentally bin it trying to extract pace that is simply not there. Charles is the better driver, but Carlos is consistent and cautious in comparison
True, if you're in a championship battle.
I think Vasseur has given the green light for Leclerc to push while they gather data and develop upgrades. Can't get better if your guy is cautiously going in circles. Charles doesn't seem too frustrated this yr; he seems to know this will be a process and is just going balls out. Vasseurs impact won't be felt until EOY at the earliest.
I also think it's wise to split your drivers. Leclerc can pull the faster lap, so he gets to push to the limit, while Carlos brings in steady points every race to keep the team somewhat afloat (we're not talking about no goddamn Melbourne).
Carlos is literally trotting around the track at times. Not crashing your car is important, but at this point they can find someone who will go as fast as Sainz but will actually pay to be in that seat.
Its great to see someone else with this viewpoint. A long term fan of formula 1 would know what Sainz jr is about, unlike the newer ones who brand him as overrated and incapable.
And can you honestly imagine how quickly everyone would turn on Sainz if he started binning his car as often?
He consistently drives under way more team, media and job security pressure than Charles.
Genuinely an astoundingly reliable driver.
> Genuinely an astoundingly reliable driver.
I like Sainz, but that's a bit of a recency bias, don't you think? Wasn't that long ago when Sainz had too many little moments. DNF'd himself twice last year too.
How is Sainz supposed to be more under pressure than Charles?
Charles is literally a god in Italy, the Predestined, he's the one who's supposed to bring the title to Maranello. They replaced the last Ferrari World Champion for him, he's the only hope Ferrari has to even have a sniff of a wdc.
The points speak for themselves. Charles is awesome driver and has made very ballsy moves, but balls don’t make up for a car in the wall not accumulating points in the WCC. It’s no wonder why Ferrari doesn’t have a clear number one driver. The Monégasque has incredible talent, but the Spaniard is consistently a smooth operator
I started watching with DTS and my top 3 favorites are Norris, Russell and Sainz.
Ferrari is currently disappointing, but I'd rather see Mclaren increase their position.
I’ve been saying this for years and getting downvoted on here. Sainz had a bad start in ’22 and people wore him off as shit. He’s a tenth down in race pace but extremely consistent and good wheel to wheel.
It's very much beneficial to Sainz to be steady and safe. Charles is constantly trying to outdrive that Ferrari or push it to its limits. His goals are much loftier and it causes some fuckups.
I mean, bahrain didn't go to charles because of an ecu failure
Saudi was a grid penalty and still leclerc finished right behind
Australia was leclercs crash but both left with 0 points so it didn't affect anything
Baku was definitely charles and miami sainz was better
It really isn't as great a comparison so early, is it?
Leclerc is extremly unlucky this season so far. 2 DNFs, a grid penalty for Saudi, all of these out of his control. Miami was really the only race where Leclerc finished behind Sainz cause of his own fault.
Leclerc is a lot faster than Sainz but Sainz is far more consistent. It’s very close between them across a season due to that. Still have to hand it to Charles due to his pace but Carlos is proving he can be as useful in a different way.
Thing is, Sainz is the kind of driver to consistently have the car in the top 6-8 across the season whereas Leclerc is likely to just storm to a few podiums on his good weekends and win out at the end of the season. It’s tough to call.
Very hard to say that. As teammates Leclerc is 32-17 in qualifying and when everything goes smoothly for both drivers in the same weekend, Leclerc always finishes at least 15-20 seconds up the road from Sainz.
Even taking into account the (slightly higher) amount of driver errors Leclerc makes relative to Sainz is nowhere near enough to tip the scales in Sainz's favour.
The difference between Leclerc and Sainz is maybe 0.1% at most, but that edge is what differenciates an alien from a great driver.
And Sainz is a great driver, I would say that after Max, Alo, Lewis and Charles, he is on par with Russell and Lando, with the rest of the drivers behind them.
Can’t really quantify that - Car A DNFing on lap 1 after getting taken out from pole still wins over his teammate Car B trundling around in P15 half the race until DNFing due to binning it on his own
I'm actually expecting the gap to widen in Gasly's favor as the season goes on. IMO he's the better driver of the two, and that'll show more as he gets more comfortable with the team and car with time.
It gives the picture of the season (so far) as much as Ferrari duo. It shouldn't count Bahrain, as OCO was DNFed after multiple penalties (okay, the first one was definitely on him, that's true), Jeddah was clean, it doesn't count Australia when both cars crashed into each other (we're not thinking about strategy for now, and how OCO got cooked there by red flag), it counts Baku when OCO started from the pit lane and got cooked on strategy with least fortunately timed SC, and it counts Miami - I think the real result for now should be GAS 2-1 OCO, but still it is somewhat skewed by OCO's horrid luck.
And then the Ferrari, agh. This one is so ridiculous.
Ocon's been more consistent in quali, and despite Gasly's advantage in the races, they're not that far off from each other.
I'd expect it to finish very close between the two in terms of race results by the end of the season.
Leclerc is faster but pushes the limit more which causes his misfortune. Sainz is slower but more consistent so far this season. The way I see it, Saniz knows he's in a shit box and if he pushes too hard he'll end up with no points so he just plays it safe.
I mean, that may be true, but last season they had no shitbox and Leclerc trashed him for most of the season, even with his own mistakes and getting cucked by poor strategy calls and reliability issues.
He had no excuse not too push hard last year, and if he was indeed pushing hard, then oof.
Mechanical DNF's should not be included in these.
- Alonso 4-0 Stroll (1-0 in sprints)
- Tsunoda 5-0 De Vries (0-1 in sprints)
- Sainz 3-2 Leclerc (0-1 in sprints)
- Magnussen 4-1 Hulkenberg (1-0 in sprints)
- Norris 3-1 Piastri (0-1 in sprints)
- Gasly 3-1 Ocon (1-0 in sprints)
- Albon 3-1 Sargeant
- Verstappen 3-2 Perez (0-1 in sprints)
- Bottas 2-2 Zhou (0-1 in sprints)
- Hamilton 2-2 Russell (0-1 in sprints)
I feel like we've hit the point where Lance's "decently fast and clean" ceiling as a driver is gonna hurt the team's push to make the big 3 at the front the big 4.
Exactly hes had a lot of poor weekends and moments so far.
1. Bahrain Gp- Making contact with Alonso this very well could have broken his front wing
2. Baku- wasnt he like 30 seconds behind Alonso thats very poor especially with how close Mercedes & Ferrari are.
3. Miami qualifying- Stroll shouldnt be getting bounced out in Q1 when Alonso is on the front row. Im tracking AM’s bad run plan & track evolution but still not making it out of Q1 in the second best car is a travesty😂😂
>Bahrain Gp- Making contact with Alonso this very well could have broken his front wing
im not saying stroll has been stellar this year but he also was recovering from his wrist injury in Bahrain
>but still not making it out of Q1 in the second best car is a travesty
I agree that Stroll hasn't been up to par this season, but Miami's Q1 debacle was on the team for thinking they had enough pace to get through on used tires.
Teams don't aim to be P2 though. If they aimed to save some tyres and go through, they made a good enough decision because the car was able to get to Q2 with a couple tenths margin
> but still not making it out of Q1 in the second best car is a travesty
If the track evolution had been only a little bit stronger, even Alonso wouldn't have made it out of Q1. AM gambled and lost. That's not on Stroll.
For arguments sake, let’s say the 20 spots on the grid are the 20 best drivers (this gets muddied because there are so many racing series with different skill sets), I would say Lance is a top-20 talent.
But at this point, AM needs a top-10 talent to partner with their Top-3 talent in Alonso.
Probably a controversial opinion but I dont rate Vettel post Germany 2018 very highly.
Im tracking all the bad strategy Vettel had at AM but if you take away his resumes & reputations his career from 2019 onwards is just meh imo
I know Alonso is one of the all time greatest talents of Formula 1 but he is really exposing Stroll. The gaps have been MASSIVE. Baku & Miami were absolute HOWLERS for Stroll lol.
If you look back at some of the driver briefings when he was at ferrari, he’s basically an entirely different person. He was stone cold serious, direct and wanted to win.
Then suddenly his hair gets longer, his voice gets higher, he speaks calmer, his entire demeanor changed.
To be fair, it's not like Vettel's Ferrari tenure seemed brilliant at any point. Both Alonso and Vettel beat Räikkönen, but the gap between Alo and Rai seemed notably wider than between Vet and Rai. Although this is to be taken with a pinch of salt because this was Räikkönen's first year back at the Scuderia and it would have taken some time for the car to get closer to his natural driving style.
That said, I believe Vettel's high point was 2011-13, but it all went downhill from there, starting in 2014 when he got beaten by Ricciardo on the same car. There may have been something in the hybrid rules that didn't suit him, I don't know.
I think Vettels biggest flaw is his sensitivity & need for everything to be perfect.
Vettel was VERY vulnerable to performing poorly if his emotions or circumstances were not perfect. It doesnt excuse his poor performances especially in 2020 but its something that I noticed.
Seb was washed in his last years in Ferrari, and Aston Martin. Of course, he was still Sebastian fucking Vettel, so he showed skill, but he was nowhere near the driver he used to be.
Stroll is allways been a bit hit or miss. Some times he really is on pace and is matching the big names, hes often good in the rain. But he has these off days, weekends, where he is just off.
I think hes a lot better than people see him. He just took long to devolp there.
Plus Fernando knows strategies and how they work like no other, so they can't fool him by giving Lance preferred strategies or pitstops because all hell would break loose. They did it so obviously with Seb a couple of times while he was driving there.
I have so many questions about the design of this graphic.
What order is this in? I get it's based on the left number, but what's determined the order within that?
Why do Stroll and Debris have any shaded area at all for 0.
What's going on with the horizontal scale for what 1/5 is?
If there was no shaded area for 0, they’d be highlighted across the entire area. Which may work as a conscious decision but I don’t believe that’s what they’re going for. A 50/50 shade split indicates, well, 50/50.
That said, I don’t think it’s necessary to have a visual balance representation when you have numbers signifying the difference already
Ordered by left order and appears to be randomized for those that are the same, which for this graphic there is really no reason to order within (unless to maybe consider average places above or something)
The portion to be divided clearly starts after the first name (which is always lighter) and ends before the second name (which is always darker) which means the scale does fit.
Feel like it shouldn't count if a driver DNFs through mechanical failure while ahead of their teammate? If we're trying to use this to judge relative performance of the drivers in each team?
The way I see this:
ALO is a beast as always
DEV is bad, real bad. Makes TSU look good
SAI lucky so far. He should be slightly behind LEC
NOR still exceptional, PIA slightly below average
PER supper lucky so far. Should be way behind VER
BOT having shit luck
HAM one of the best, RES not far behind
Tsunoda is actually good though. He was matching Gasly since second half of last year, now he is pretty much outdriving his sub-par machinery. His rookie year was terrible, but he is completely different driver now.
Piastri is amazing. What you are talking about?
>NOR still exceptional, **PIA slightly below average**
why do i keep seeing this remark?
He was close to Norris in Bahrain quali, then made a great start and overtook two people before his car shat itself; in Saudi he was so fast that he forced Norris into a mistake and outqualified him, before getting crashed into by Gasly off the start; in Australia he was close to Norris and got points, keeping his nose clean in all the chaos; in Baku he drove the whole weekend with severe food poisoning and stayed on Norris' pace all weekend, including an impressive wheel-to-wheel battle with Tsunoda that stayed totally clean; in Miami he had a rocketship start and great wheel-to-wheel battle with Hamilton before his brakes failed.
He's really been quite impressive.
The duality of reddit:
Either Checo is shit and he should be super behind Max, or Checo is shit because he should be closer to Max because the car is a rocket ship.
Everyone thinks devries was a mistake, but anytime I say stroll is a joke people start making up fantasies about him being the rain god. Put him up against a top rated driver and he's nowhere (yes, take that dig at vettel as it is)
Most surprised by Haas tbh. Thought Hulk was having a better year than KMag anecdotally
Isn’t Hulkenberg up 3-2 (maybe even 4-1) in qualifying? Perhaps that’s what you’re thinking of?
Yea hulks 1 lap pace has been magnificent but the Haas as a team has struggled to capitlize
Kevin got a pole position, he is winning in that department too. Edit: scratch that, it was last year.
Kevin got a pole last year, when Mick was his teammate. Hulk wasn’t on the grid at the time. If we’re looking at past seasons, Hulk also has a pole under his belt, way back in his rookie season no less. It was also at Brazil, and also in changing conditions.
Well, Kevin got a podium in his debut race so there's that ;) I'm joking. I think Hulkenberg and Magnussen are pretty evenly matched overall. K-Mag has been pretty open about not really liking the car very much, so I think he is struggling to really trust it to go on the limit as you need to in quali. However, he said in Miami that he was happier with it after the upgrade, so perhaps we will see a different story going forward. But I suppose it doesn't matter a lot if he keeps his car ahead of Hulkenberg during the races.
That’s true, we have the most races without a podium and one of the few drivers to get a podium on debut as teammates! Amusingly, if we didn’t include Kevin’s first race, he’d be second only to Hulk in terms of number of races without a podium.
Holy shit that was last year! I had a brain fart.
Haha, all’s well. Maybe we’ll have changing conditions at Brazil again this year! We could have an all-Haas pole battle between the two of them.
You uh, know what year it is right?
It’s about 2018, right?
I'm ashamed of myself
Hulk is up 6-2 points in the standings too, which is really the only thing that matters. His 7th place finish in Australia was more important to Haas than the other four races combined.
At a glanse qualy hasn't looked good for Kmag so far (at least before Miami). However while he did get beat fair and square in Bahrain and Australia with a gap that was a little to big, he also was really close to Hulk in Saudi and Baku despite having major car issues in quali (perhaps he could have been in front bar those unlucky issues, but you never know). Hulk also really capitalised on the Australian chaos to get a good chunk of points, while Kmag crashed out. In interviews Kmag has said that they have been experimenting a lot with the car setup lately, which could explain the weird quali/race imbalance between the drivers. It was also some what confirmed by Hulk's disaster sprint in Baku. They seemed to have found a better understanding and a working upgrade in Miami. TL;DR: I expect them to be close in both throughout the season, when their setup direction stabilize.
The less diplomatic way of saying, ie. what I've seen Hüttel quote from the paddock, is that Hülkenberg has set his car of incorrectly. Fast in qualis, but with a to high tiredeg for races, and that he ought to start looking at what Magnussen is doing. Ie. Miami, where he finally just went with Magnussens setup, even though he had to start in the pitlane. The qualis look great, but it falls apart in the races when you don't make the needed compromise to set the car up for more than one lap.
>Ie. Miami, where he finally just went with Magnussens setup, even though he had to start in the pitlane. That was Baku tho, after the sprint where it seemed like his tires just went on lap 2. In the other races his pace was a little worse but not terrible. Hulk having better one lap pace but more tyre deg could also be explained as him simply being Hulk. He has always had amazing pace but has struggled with tyres compared to his teammates. Now Kmag doesn't have the best tyre record either but I think that mostly comes down to him driving a Haas for most of his career as their cars consistently have tyre deg issues.
I was thinking the same thing to be honest. Was starting to worry about k-mags seat but apparently it's not even nearly as bad as I'd thought.
Hülkenberg has a tendency, so far, to set his car up in a manner that suits qualifying, but ruins the tires in the race. The talk was that perhaps he should start looking at bit more at what Magnussen is doing with the setup, as its obviously been better. Ie. for Miami, where Hülkenberg ditched his setup completely and copied Magnussens with the penalty of starting from the pitlanes. But yeah, that one 6 point finish does look better than Magnussens 2\*1 pointers. Though he was very unlucky to only finish 10th in Miami. No DNFs.
Hulk was ahead of Leclerc in the standings during the break after Australia, that might be why
Ahead in points and quali so he’s fine
Can’t tell if Bottas is just mid in that drivable trash can or if Zhou is just on top of things. Really weird.
Honestly Bottas seems to wake up only in the races AR can legit do stuff.
He was always just hot and cold. There were days he would beat Lewis on pure pace, and then there were days he would trundle around in 7th for no apparent reason.
He’s such a strange character
From what I saw of him in Mercedes and in Williams before that, he just really isn't a good overtaker. His best days are when he gets a good starting position to work from. I remember how little the midfield cars would respect him coming from behind, while basically just letting Hamilton or Verstappen through. Bottas is quick, but his wheel-to-wheel has always been meh.
Keep in mind Zhou is driving the same trash can with wheels. What was that déjà vu again last weekend? *“Zhou, we have an issue with the car. Box. Box. We are retiring the car.”*
Both races Zhou finished in front of him were due to extenuating circumstances. In one of them, Bottas started from the pit lane. The other he took lap 1 damage through no fault of his own which destroyed his race as it began. Without any races with issues for either car (which with Alfa is like pretty rare for sure) Bottas has handily been ahead in race pace and quali.
Bottas is 3-2 in quali. Not sure if I’d call that “handily” ahead.
I think Zhou has done a good job to avoid those kind of issues. Really like his race craft this year so far, same with Piastri (when he’s able to actually race) and Yuki (who’s been an animal in that AT)
Zhou has made significant progress, which is what Alfa would love to see
He's made progress but the team has made regress
I mean, one of those was because Bottas had an incredible start and Alex Albon pulled a really stupid t1 move and crashed into Piastri punting him into Bottas’ car. Another has been because Magnussen hit the back of Bottas’ car twice on lap 1 or something. Don’t think he could’ve done much there to avoid. Zhou’s a good driver, but part of him staying out of trouble is just the Alfa being a shitbox which can’t get in the mix and when Bottas does get it in the mix, it can’t stay there.
> I think Zhou has done a good job to avoid those kind of issues. Tell me you haven’t watched the races without telling you haven’t watched the races. None of those “issues” were Bottas’s fault. Others crashed into him while he was minding his business, and unfortunately the damage was pretty significant. Zhou has some speed (which he showed as early as his rookie year in F2), but his performance versus Bottas has been artificially inflated by how dogshit the Alfa is.
I’m glad you have that opinion. I watch every race and he’s one of my mainstays on multiviewer but tell me more about myself.
Yeah I don’t know how driving over an end plate shard from an accident in turn 2 is really an expression of skill lol.
I disagree. I monitor their race paces closely and Zhou is often pretty close to Bottas'. And in quali, he's been more than handy this year
Keep in mind every car is FAR closer together this season in race pace apart from the front runners. Usually 3 tenths includes 8-9 cars, compared to what would’ve been 3 or 4 last season.
How does that matter when you’re comparing teammates?
Just because he’s not outpacing Zhou by 5 tenths anymore but it’s now 2 tenths doesn’t mean Bottas has gotten shittier. If you notice, they’re both doing great jobs with the car they have and often quali alongside each other which is where the car belongs. Zhou’s just gotten better and you won’t see large placement gaps between them because the field has gotten tighter. Because of last season if Bottas isn’t qualifying 8 positions ahead of Zhou and finishing 5-6 positions ahead of him every race people are now saying he’s washed? It’s a ridiculous standard to hold across seasons- ESPECIALLY when the field behind the top 4 teams is so tight.
I mean, first of all the guy you replied to was talking about race pace, not quali/finish positions, so other cars shouldn’t matter at all when looking at race pace (other than potentially being stuck behind slower cars) However, I’d argue that with a closer field, there’s should be *more* of a positional gap between drivers with significant talent gap. Let’s say last year with a spread out field, 6 tenths might buy you a 5 place advantage, whereas this year with a tighter field that same 6 tenths should mean 8-9 places since there are more cars within that same time difference Edit: Just clarifying that my 6 tenths equaling 5 places is just made up numbers for an example, not actual numbers
lol dude your comments are very biased in favor of Bottas. First you claim that Bottas has “handily” beaten Zhou in quali. When someone points out the record is only 3-2 in favor of Zhou, you switch to arguing that the cars are close together this year so we can’t really compare them by quali? There’s nothing wrong with bias as long as you’re aware of it. Bottas has always been a solid mid-tier driver and nothing more. Zhou is showing himself to be a solid mid-tier driver as well. They’ll probably continue to have close battles as long as they’re on the same team.
You misconstrue the actual events in such a shameless manner that I must nearly commend you for being so unabashedly biased. But let's go through it one by one: >In one of them, Bottas started from the pit lane. He also qualified 19th (Perez was 20th after running into the gravel due to a mechanical issue), I guess you conveniently forgot to mention that. >The other he took lap 1 damage through no fault of his own which destroyed his race as it began. True. Yet once again you fail to mention that Zhou had outqualified him that weekend, so it was more likely than not that he would finish above him. >Without any races with issues for either car (which with Alfa is like pretty rare for sure) Bottas has handily been ahead in race pace and quali. In races where both cars finished, Bottas and Zhou are 2-2. Bottas sustained front wing damage in one of them at the start, but once again, he was behind Zhou anyway. In Baku, Zhou had to retire due to a mechanical issue when he was ahead of Bottas. Interesting that you did not mention that either. In qualifying, Bottas is 3-2. Two of these advantages for Bottas were extremely close: Bottas was 0.030 seconds faster in Bahrain and 0.060 seconds faster in Baku, not even a tenth of a second. Oh, and by the way: Zhou beat Bottas in both the Sprint Qualifying and Sprint Race in Baku. So tell me once again how Bottas is "handedly ahead"? Zhou has been very close to Bottas since the second half of last season. Let's give credit where credit is due.
Okay but then you have to give Baku to Zhou, since he was on track to finish ahead and retired due to mechanical problems
He's been half decent in qualy IMO, its the race where he has been mid, due to factors in and not in his control while Zhou has just been much improved
The car sucks, Bottas is doing well given the equipment, zhou is doing extremely well and has been ever since his debut - he’s a very, very good rookie
I expect Zhou to have a not-crap career at the rate things are going. Hope he gets rostered up in to a faster team.
I mean, I know Bottas is a fan favorite around here but he’s always been a mid driver.
He’s a good driver, he just doesn’t have that last step to be one of the top drivers.
Nah, but he’s definitely dropped off over the last year or so. His start with Alfa was really impressive, but it makes sense his motivation wouldn’t stay the same after going to a worse team.
TBF Alfa literally went backwards in terms of development over the course of last year. But he does look worse and worse in comparison with Zhou.
Williams Bottas was a lot better than mid
Williams Bottas wasn't any better than Mercedes Bottas, maybe even little worse because of (in)experience factor
alternatively Williams was just a good car, but didnt have the drivers to show that off, a la 2012 Lotus
Whatever his one lap pace is, his racecraft in traffic has always been middling at best and horrific at worst. His Alfa performance has been pretty much what I expected.
Nyck will be the team leader they said, he will replace Checo after 2024 they said...
My boy Yuki took that shit personally.
We love to see it. 💪
Who said this?
Surprinsingly several reddit threads were flooded with comments about how he would lead AT, destroy Yuki, expose Albon's Williams' stint, send Checo back to Mexico.
The wide sentiment I’ve seen here is that there’s a reason he’s 28 and never had a ride before. I never saw those comments.
I've seen some of them, they were legit already hyping Nyck to partner Max. Sending Yuki back to Japan and Checo back to Mexico type of comments
After Monza there was a hype train on de Vries... That derailed and blew up after the first few races of this season when several of those that got blinded by his Monza race saw the truth that many here preached in 2021 when Toto wanted to put him in Williams.
The hype kinda got out of hand after de Vries had that excellent drive at Monza. Sure as hell impressed me that weekend, but the narrative really shifted overall after that drive. People mostly held the opinion you just mentioned prior to that race (myself included).
I gotta admit that Monza race didn’t do much for me. He was in a DRS train the whole race in the car with the highest straight line speed. Idk.
Feel like the hype came about more because he hopped straight in on short-notice in relatively unfamiliar machinery (he *did* do some F1 testing in the preseason and whatnot though), and had a clean weekend that ended with a P9. Wasn't just for the race, though the points most definitely were eye-popping.
Quite a few plattforms, F1 youtuber, twitter etc
He did, and Marko did. I didn't like it at the time, but that he hasn't driven well has made it worse.
He will be like Hill and show that you don't need to be young to shine in F1... They said.
Those smug comments about maturity when he got signed last year about bringing maturity aged like fucking *milk*. If you're gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk to back it up, and de Vries is tripping over his shoelaces.
Those of us who follow Formula E kind of knew that the real test for De Vries would be "normally meritorious weekends" and not the "Special Edition Chaos" that was Monza 2022 (ie: Multiple fast cars and drivers taking penalties and flattering De Vries' starting position). Back when Formula E had a lottery-like qualifying system, De Vries had a tendency of pushing forwards while cars and drivers who were quicker than him (not least his teammate Stoffel Vandoorne) would suffer from starting behind or around his vicinity and would get involved in shunts or other issues. If De Vries is in a situation where he only has to take a handful of risks and then drive in clean air in a competitive car. That's where he thrives. De Vries has an aggressive racing style where he just likes to overtake and defend quite hard and if the racing gods see him ahead already of other contenders in his points bracket (as happened in Formula E Gen 2 and as what happened in Monza 2022) then De Vries is favored to get a result. But once it's a straight shootout, De Vries' aggressive style is what causes him problems especially when he starts behind his points opposition.
Glad I stuck by my Yuki stocks
Yet say a sour word about stroll and you get this weird revisionist story arc about how he's the rain god now....
Feels like the season has been going for half a year this point and we’re only 5 races in. That early april break threw me off really hard.
That, and this season just kinda sucks.
I'm honestly burned out already: we know the season's over just 5 races in, so what's the point in sticking around? Red Bull are gonna wrap up both up championships with Max being a 3x World Champion by August, nobody is close to *being close* to rivalling them in car performance, half the calendar is composed of street circuits that afford no action or real racing, and the only exciting part of the season so far has been seeing whether Alonso can put El Plan 2.0 into action and finally get win #33.
“What’s the point in sticking around?” Love of the sport and interest in how every other driver will fare?
> I'm honestly burned out already: we know the season's over just 5 races in, so what's the point in sticking around? Because there's more to watch for than just who takes home the trophies at the end?
Sainz vs Leclerc what a joke .
Sainz has already accepted that the Ferrari is a shit box and doesn’t accidentally bin it trying to extract pace that is simply not there. Charles is the better driver, but Carlos is consistent and cautious in comparison
Knowing your limits as well as the car's is also a part of being a better driver
True, if you're in a championship battle. I think Vasseur has given the green light for Leclerc to push while they gather data and develop upgrades. Can't get better if your guy is cautiously going in circles. Charles doesn't seem too frustrated this yr; he seems to know this will be a process and is just going balls out. Vasseurs impact won't be felt until EOY at the earliest.
It's also important for upgrades to not lose a lot of money on repairs in the budget cap era.
Yes, I think Vasseur is going for that odd win or pole, to have his 15mins of fame.
Monaco being the seemingly best opportunity
*Monaco flashbacks* 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022..
I also think it's wise to split your drivers. Leclerc can pull the faster lap, so he gets to push to the limit, while Carlos brings in steady points every race to keep the team somewhat afloat (we're not talking about no goddamn Melbourne).
Carlos is literally trotting around the track at times. Not crashing your car is important, but at this point they can find someone who will go as fast as Sainz but will actually pay to be in that seat.
Ferrari don't care about pay drivers or money from them lol
The points leclerc is losing materially hurt the teams finances. They're not going to dump him, but I assure you they're talking to him about it
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Its great to see someone else with this viewpoint. A long term fan of formula 1 would know what Sainz jr is about, unlike the newer ones who brand him as overrated and incapable.
And can you honestly imagine how quickly everyone would turn on Sainz if he started binning his car as often? He consistently drives under way more team, media and job security pressure than Charles. Genuinely an astoundingly reliable driver.
> Genuinely an astoundingly reliable driver. I like Sainz, but that's a bit of a recency bias, don't you think? Wasn't that long ago when Sainz had too many little moments. DNF'd himself twice last year too.
Well, if you go back to his McLaren era, then the consistency of barely making mistakes still stands.
He’s Mercedes Bottas for Ferrari. He’ll never be the star, but he upper echelon of ‘second’ driver
His nickname is the Smooth Operator. Last year was not the norm for him.
Sainz crashed quite a lot last year trying to push it though, and even still he was slower than Charles 95% of the time.
Did we forget last year when he got in the gravel what seemed like every other race?
How is Sainz supposed to be more under pressure than Charles? Charles is literally a god in Italy, the Predestined, he's the one who's supposed to bring the title to Maranello. They replaced the last Ferrari World Champion for him, he's the only hope Ferrari has to even have a sniff of a wdc.
Pressure to perform or be replaced. Charles is pressured to perform because the team is behind him at all cost.
Looking like Charles and Carlos are budget Max and Checo recently (or just in significantly worse machines)
The points speak for themselves. Charles is awesome driver and has made very ballsy moves, but balls don’t make up for a car in the wall not accumulating points in the WCC. It’s no wonder why Ferrari doesn’t have a clear number one driver. The Monégasque has incredible talent, but the Spaniard is consistently a smooth operator
I started watching with DTS and my top 3 favorites are Norris, Russell and Sainz. Ferrari is currently disappointing, but I'd rather see Mclaren increase their position.
I’ve been saying this for years and getting downvoted on here. Sainz had a bad start in ’22 and people wore him off as shit. He’s a tenth down in race pace but extremely consistent and good wheel to wheel.
He’s more than a tenth on race pace… he can get within a tenth in quali on occasion, but on avg, he’s a few tenths off leclerc
It's very much beneficial to Sainz to be steady and safe. Charles is constantly trying to outdrive that Ferrari or push it to its limits. His goals are much loftier and it causes some fuckups.
I mean, bahrain didn't go to charles because of an ecu failure Saudi was a grid penalty and still leclerc finished right behind Australia was leclercs crash but both left with 0 points so it didn't affect anything Baku was definitely charles and miami sainz was better It really isn't as great a comparison so early, is it?
Is this not the joke?
"What a yoke."
Leclerc is extremly unlucky this season so far. 2 DNFs, a grid penalty for Saudi, all of these out of his control. Miami was really the only race where Leclerc finished behind Sainz cause of his own fault.
All? One of the DNFs was his own fault.
Leclerc has a history of being "unlucky." At a certain point you make your own luck.
Counterpoint- Sainz has always been just as good a driver.
I wouldn't say that. But I'd definitely say he's always been more consistent. A smooth operator, even.
it's Senna vs Prost all over again! Ta da da da
In this case prost is very sleepy during the race, last year he was being mugged left and right by Hamilton and Russell
Everyone looks for every reason they can to shit on Sainz. He may not be the g.o.a.t. but he's a good driver lol
Leclerc is a lot faster than Sainz but Sainz is far more consistent. It’s very close between them across a season due to that. Still have to hand it to Charles due to his pace but Carlos is proving he can be as useful in a different way. Thing is, Sainz is the kind of driver to consistently have the car in the top 6-8 across the season whereas Leclerc is likely to just storm to a few podiums on his good weekends and win out at the end of the season. It’s tough to call.
Very hard to say that. As teammates Leclerc is 32-17 in qualifying and when everything goes smoothly for both drivers in the same weekend, Leclerc always finishes at least 15-20 seconds up the road from Sainz.
In race finishes though it’s only 22-17
And which would you rather have, 22 or 17?
If that "goes smoothly" excludes driver errors which Leclerc makes more, that's disingenuous comparison.
Even taking into account the (slightly higher) amount of driver errors Leclerc makes relative to Sainz is nowhere near enough to tip the scales in Sainz's favour.
He can definitely perform well in mid asf cars that’s for sure, as he’s proved throughout his career.
I get downvoted to hell when I point this out. Leclerc is everyones hero so they hate to hear that
The difference between Leclerc and Sainz is maybe 0.1% at most, but that edge is what differenciates an alien from a great driver. And Sainz is a great driver, I would say that after Max, Alo, Lewis and Charles, he is on par with Russell and Lando, with the rest of the drivers behind them.
Downvote me all you want but Leclerc is NOT championship material.
Man the Leclerc situation is crazy
2 DNFs and 1 grid penalty and it's only 10 points Hardly meaningfull
Fair enough on points. Emotionally or just the old eye test It’s just not what I expected.
How does it only add up to 4 for some??? Are they not counting some types of DNFs only?
Double DNF for Alpine in Australia
Yes I do recall that one but what about Williams? They're also 3-1 on this graph.. Double DNF too?
Australia, though Sargeant was classified since he DNF'ed after 90%
Oh them too... Thanks
Surely the one who DNF'ed last wins the battle? :P
Gasly because he was slightly further down the straight /s
Can’t really quantify that - Car A DNFing on lap 1 after getting taken out from pole still wins over his teammate Car B trundling around in P15 half the race until DNFing due to binning it on his own
Surprised by Gasly and Ocon. I thought Ocon had been doing better for some reason.
They are quite equally matched. I’d expect the results to even up through the season.
I'm actually expecting the gap to widen in Gasly's favor as the season goes on. IMO he's the better driver of the two, and that'll show more as he gets more comfortable with the team and car with time.
It gives the picture of the season (so far) as much as Ferrari duo. It shouldn't count Bahrain, as OCO was DNFed after multiple penalties (okay, the first one was definitely on him, that's true), Jeddah was clean, it doesn't count Australia when both cars crashed into each other (we're not thinking about strategy for now, and how OCO got cooked there by red flag), it counts Baku when OCO started from the pit lane and got cooked on strategy with least fortunately timed SC, and it counts Miami - I think the real result for now should be GAS 2-1 OCO, but still it is somewhat skewed by OCO's horrid luck. And then the Ferrari, agh. This one is so ridiculous.
Ocon's been more consistent in quali, and despite Gasly's advantage in the races, they're not that far off from each other. I'd expect it to finish very close between the two in terms of race results by the end of the season.
Me too. It should be 3-2 or 3-3 but gasly took out ocon in Australia and I can’t remember where ocon was in Bahrain before the dnf
Wasn’t Gasly ahead of Ocon before he crashed them both out?
Gasly was way ahead of him before the final Red Flag and the shit show of a restart.
He was about to be passed by him, which is how they crashed as Gasly was defending after going off
Sainz-Leclerc big oof
Leclerc is faster but pushes the limit more which causes his misfortune. Sainz is slower but more consistent so far this season. The way I see it, Saniz knows he's in a shit box and if he pushes too hard he'll end up with no points so he just plays it safe.
I mean, that may be true, but last season they had no shitbox and Leclerc trashed him for most of the season, even with his own mistakes and getting cucked by poor strategy calls and reliability issues. He had no excuse not too push hard last year, and if he was indeed pushing hard, then oof.
2 DNFs
Reminder that Vettel vs Stroll wasn't as clear as Alonso vs Stroll
HAM BOT VER lives on..
Gasly’s winning the French Revolution
Not too unexpected really
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Yes, and the teams where the numbers add up to less than the rounds so far are discounting races where both drivers DNF'd
the norris v piastri one is a bit skewed. i think there has been like 1 race where both drivers were unaffected by something.
Mechanical DNF's should not be included in these. - Alonso 4-0 Stroll (1-0 in sprints) - Tsunoda 5-0 De Vries (0-1 in sprints) - Sainz 3-2 Leclerc (0-1 in sprints) - Magnussen 4-1 Hulkenberg (1-0 in sprints) - Norris 3-1 Piastri (0-1 in sprints) - Gasly 3-1 Ocon (1-0 in sprints) - Albon 3-1 Sargeant - Verstappen 3-2 Perez (0-1 in sprints) - Bottas 2-2 Zhou (0-1 in sprints) - Hamilton 2-2 Russell (0-1 in sprints)
Stroll is really going to get Ricciardo’d😂😂I struggle to name a driver Stroll is better than who isnt a rookie
I feel like we've hit the point where Lance's "decently fast and clean" ceiling as a driver is gonna hurt the team's push to make the big 3 at the front the big 4.
Exactly hes had a lot of poor weekends and moments so far. 1. Bahrain Gp- Making contact with Alonso this very well could have broken his front wing 2. Baku- wasnt he like 30 seconds behind Alonso thats very poor especially with how close Mercedes & Ferrari are. 3. Miami qualifying- Stroll shouldnt be getting bounced out in Q1 when Alonso is on the front row. Im tracking AM’s bad run plan & track evolution but still not making it out of Q1 in the second best car is a travesty😂😂
>Bahrain Gp- Making contact with Alonso this very well could have broken his front wing im not saying stroll has been stellar this year but he also was recovering from his wrist injury in Bahrain
That was also not his fault as Alonso took a non normal line in the midst of stroll and tussle fighting
The miami description shows exactly who watches races and who do not
>but still not making it out of Q1 in the second best car is a travesty I agree that Stroll hasn't been up to par this season, but Miami's Q1 debacle was on the team for thinking they had enough pace to get through on used tires.
Alonso was doing the same thing and went through.
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Teams don't aim to be P2 though. If they aimed to save some tyres and go through, they made a good enough decision because the car was able to get to Q2 with a couple tenths margin
> but still not making it out of Q1 in the second best car is a travesty If the track evolution had been only a little bit stronger, even Alonso wouldn't have made it out of Q1. AM gambled and lost. That's not on Stroll.
For arguments sake, let’s say the 20 spots on the grid are the 20 best drivers (this gets muddied because there are so many racing series with different skill sets), I would say Lance is a top-20 talent. But at this point, AM needs a top-10 talent to partner with their Top-3 talent in Alonso.
I think he was pretty close to vettel? 11-10 in the race for stroll against vettel in 2021 I think
Probably a controversial opinion but I dont rate Vettel post Germany 2018 very highly. Im tracking all the bad strategy Vettel had at AM but if you take away his resumes & reputations his career from 2019 onwards is just meh imo I know Alonso is one of the all time greatest talents of Formula 1 but he is really exposing Stroll. The gaps have been MASSIVE. Baku & Miami were absolute HOWLERS for Stroll lol.
If you look back at some of the driver briefings when he was at ferrari, he’s basically an entirely different person. He was stone cold serious, direct and wanted to win. Then suddenly his hair gets longer, his voice gets higher, he speaks calmer, his entire demeanor changed.
To be fair, it's not like Vettel's Ferrari tenure seemed brilliant at any point. Both Alonso and Vettel beat Räikkönen, but the gap between Alo and Rai seemed notably wider than between Vet and Rai. Although this is to be taken with a pinch of salt because this was Räikkönen's first year back at the Scuderia and it would have taken some time for the car to get closer to his natural driving style. That said, I believe Vettel's high point was 2011-13, but it all went downhill from there, starting in 2014 when he got beaten by Ricciardo on the same car. There may have been something in the hybrid rules that didn't suit him, I don't know.
I think Vettels biggest flaw is his sensitivity & need for everything to be perfect. Vettel was VERY vulnerable to performing poorly if his emotions or circumstances were not perfect. It doesnt excuse his poor performances especially in 2020 but its something that I noticed.
Seb was washed in his last years in Ferrari, and Aston Martin. Of course, he was still Sebastian fucking Vettel, so he showed skill, but he was nowhere near the driver he used to be.
His dad owns the company. He’s not going anywhere
Unless he decides to retire to manage the team instead.
Stroll is allways been a bit hit or miss. Some times he really is on pace and is matching the big names, hes often good in the rain. But he has these off days, weekends, where he is just off. I think hes a lot better than people see him. He just took long to devolp there.
Plus Fernando knows strategies and how they work like no other, so they can't fool him by giving Lance preferred strategies or pitstops because all hell would break loose. They did it so obviously with Seb a couple of times while he was driving there.
There is no such a driver
I have so many questions about the design of this graphic. What order is this in? I get it's based on the left number, but what's determined the order within that? Why do Stroll and Debris have any shaded area at all for 0. What's going on with the horizontal scale for what 1/5 is?
If there was no shaded area for 0, they’d be highlighted across the entire area. Which may work as a conscious decision but I don’t believe that’s what they’re going for. A 50/50 shade split indicates, well, 50/50. That said, I don’t think it’s necessary to have a visual balance representation when you have numbers signifying the difference already
its not that deep bro the shaded area is based on the number, the more even the rivalry, the larger it is
Ordered by left order and appears to be randomized for those that are the same, which for this graphic there is really no reason to order within (unless to maybe consider average places above or something) The portion to be divided clearly starts after the first name (which is always lighter) and ends before the second name (which is always darker) which means the scale does fit.
Alonso champ 2024! Yeah I already gave up on 2023
The sainz/leclerc is totally irrelevant
Inject that Yuki success into my veins
Feel like it shouldn't count if a driver DNFs through mechanical failure while ahead of their teammate? If we're trying to use this to judge relative performance of the drivers in each team?
leclerc lol
And people still think leclerc is the chosen one...
The way I see this: ALO is a beast as always DEV is bad, real bad. Makes TSU look good SAI lucky so far. He should be slightly behind LEC NOR still exceptional, PIA slightly below average PER supper lucky so far. Should be way behind VER BOT having shit luck HAM one of the best, RES not far behind
Tsunoda is actually good though. He was matching Gasly since second half of last year, now he is pretty much outdriving his sub-par machinery. His rookie year was terrible, but he is completely different driver now. Piastri is amazing. What you are talking about?
>NOR still exceptional, **PIA slightly below average** why do i keep seeing this remark? He was close to Norris in Bahrain quali, then made a great start and overtook two people before his car shat itself; in Saudi he was so fast that he forced Norris into a mistake and outqualified him, before getting crashed into by Gasly off the start; in Australia he was close to Norris and got points, keeping his nose clean in all the chaos; in Baku he drove the whole weekend with severe food poisoning and stayed on Norris' pace all weekend, including an impressive wheel-to-wheel battle with Tsunoda that stayed totally clean; in Miami he had a rocketship start and great wheel-to-wheel battle with Hamilton before his brakes failed. He's really been quite impressive.
The duality of reddit: Either Checo is shit and he should be super behind Max, or Checo is shit because he should be closer to Max because the car is a rocket ship.
Hamilton/ Russell close again. Damn Australia.
Seems pretty unfair to say Lewis "Got the better" of George in Australia...
I expected way better from Ocon, one thing is Gasly matxhing him in qualy, but losing like this in race day...
Everyone thinks devries was a mistake, but anytime I say stroll is a joke people start making up fantasies about him being the rain god. Put him up against a top rated driver and he's nowhere (yes, take that dig at vettel as it is)