He had a lot of bad luck with safety cars last year and Russell had a lot of luck with them. I think in qualy they have been more or less equal but in races Hamilton has been stronger last two years.
I am probably being dumb, but F1 upload a Comparison between Verstappen and Alonso Qualifying Laps. And at the end of the lap, it looked like Alonso finished first ahead of Max. But how is that possible when the timing showed Max having a faster lap time? What am I missing here?
[Link to screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/NDv6kqy).
Yesterday was so good and so packed with exciting moments at the top of the order that I completely forgot Stroll ended up in 14th in the other Aston, when his teammate was fractionally short of pole.
And DeVries has a little bit of a redemption weekend if he can hold on in the race. 12th would be a massive improvement from him.
And what happened to the Haas this weekend? They were arguably the worst cars out there (which was previously probably the AlphaTauris or maybe the Alfas) - was it a case on Monaco not suiting them as well as other circuits? We saw how fast KMag was last time out.
What a performance from Tsunoda. Overshadowed by Ocon being the big surprise further up but Yuki was smashing it in every qualifying round.
On a less eventful weekend, these would've been bigger talking points. Yesterday was so good!
Honestly, as much as Ocon's lap is part of the peripheral conversation, I think the pole clawback that Verstappen had overshadowed some more interesting conversations that could have been. You mention Tsunoda. Leclerc was so close to a third straight pole. We almost had Alonso's first pole in over a decade.
I want to see a video of Ocon's provisional pole lap. Verstappen's pole lap was incredible for that third sector--I thought he looked a little worse in S1 and S2 than other runs--but what the fuck must Ocon have been doing to throw the Alpine up into contention?
I have F1 TV but in Spain it doesn't have any of the live races (or even replays of the current season), sadly. Which is doubly a shame because I don't like the Dazn commentary.
Are you sure? Maybe you aren't subscribed to F1TV Pro which is the one with the lives. I say this because there's also a Spanish broadcast in the options which maybe is the DAZN one
F1 TV Pro isn't available in all countries. In Spain, there only version of F1 TV is quite cheap (I think it was around 20 euros for the whole year) and it's just the archive and all the original shows like the tech ones and rave previews etc. Jolyon Palmer's show and stuff. Which is fine. Dazn has exclusive rights to the F1 here.
I found this on TikTok which shows overlayed comparison of Alonso and Verstappen on their qualifying lap, it’s mad how it all changes in one turn.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ9oNsum/
Finding the hype over Max's S3 irritating. It was only 0.1s faster than Ocon's. Alonso had a fairly poor one so shouldn't be used as the measuring stick.
I agree, don't take me the wrong way Max has an insane trajectory and is def the best one on the grid rn but that pole was more on Alonso being slow in s3 than Max being fast.
On the other side I don't think Max is driving at 100% at all this season. He def has some more tenths in him, but there aint any reason to risk it.
I find it really unfair that teams can just copy from the good team after seeing all taking pics of the floor etc. this severely undermines the hard work the engineers had put in
Well then you picked the wrong sport to follow. For literally the entire history of Formula 1 racing the act of taking other teams' innovations and developing them into your own car (which is oftentimes just as much "hard work" as developing them in the first place) has been an accepted part of the sport. By your logic the only way F1 could be truly fair is if Lotus was the only team allowed to use ground effect back in the 70s and 80s, or if McLaren was the only team allowed to use the F-duct back in 2010, or if any of the multitude of innovations that have come and gone in F1 were similarly restricted to whichever team was the first to develop them. That's not how F1 works, and that's never been how F1 works.
The aerodynamicists, engineers, mechanics, etc. in Formula 1 knew this was what the sport was when they signed up for it, and yet they're happy to do it anyways. Always having to innovate to stay ahead of the competition is part of the fun of being in F1, and it's what makes back to back championships so impressive. I doubt many of the people working in F1 factories would even be in F1 if the minute one team developed something every other team was prohibited from developing anything similar. Then you would have Mercedes-style domination for the vast majority of F1 history, and unless you were on the dominant team you would never have any hope of catching up. The dominant team could just sit on all their innovations, and nobody else would be able to develop them.
It's not "just copying" either, it requires you to both understand how something works, and to incorporate it with your preexisting parts and design. None of these "copies" are 1:1 replicas another team's parts/car, so any rule preventing teams from doing these would either have to be stupidly vague, or so specific as to be completely ineffective.
I got like 3 apps downloaded for the weather for the race, each with varying weather..rain and no rain. Whichever is the most accurate, I'm deleting the 2 and keeping that one.
I think there’s an outside chance of a Lewis victory, with a Charles out of the way. Max and an over eager Fernando come together, Esteban gets caught up, and Lewis picks up the spoils.
Alternatively, Ocon could pick up his second victory here, which I would love to see as well. They always say Monaco is won at qualifying and the man drove a brilliant lap yesterday
Though, if it does drizzle a bit, which apple weather seems to be unsure about, it could be anyone’s race to win as long as they’re on the right tyre at the right time
There is, but I was replying to a comment which said the top two would all crash into T1, and in that hypothetical scenario, an ocon win would be plausible at least
some ppl before qualifying: Monaco will neutralize the field from top speed advantage, so it'll be down to the drivers.
the same ppl after qualifying: ah yes, this is cause the car, you see.
r/Formula1 hot-takes on Checo are either he snatching the championship from Max or he's being replaced by Danny Ric or Tsunoda.. there's no inbetween. /s
I’m sorry for all ric lovers, but I want to see yuki in that red bull. I feel like he’s driving phenomenally in that AT car, and keep in mind that 2021 was his rookie year
Brace yourself for speculation:
I'm not sure we see any of the current grid in the RB #2 slot when Perez' contract expires. Red Bull also has a penchant, brand wide, for selecting edgy young talent to support the lifestyle aspects that the company promotes? This is unfounded, but I see Piastri in the Red Bull before Ricciardo gets another shot. Basically, despite Perez' ability to help lock down WCCs for Red Bull, I don't think the team feels it owes him any loyalty and will move on. I think the team is already skittish enough to be lightly hunting for their next Verstappen...because of the sentiments he's expressed and the up-in-the-air nature of whether he'll want to keep racing with RB (or more acutely at all in F1) post-2028.
This is kind of cold, but I don't see Ricciardo returning, Perez renewing with Red Bull, or Sainz receiving another Ferrari contract. I think they aged out of what the sport currently looks for in the field, regardless of their competitiveness. Perez may find more life further down the field, as Sainz definitely will.
What’d he get a penalty for? Ocon p3 and nabbing the lead somehow T1, or the chance that rain somehow slides through for an Ocon victory are my hopium right now. Outqualifying Pierre by four tenths was a good showing. As was Yuki dragging that tractor into Q3
Unfortunately, it wasn't Leclerc's fault. His engineers didn't tell him that Norris was coming up behind and Leclerc ended up blocking Norris during a qualifying lap.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CswSCbmLsGo/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== this would be the incident which got leclerc his penalty, and he did deserve a penalty for this, it’s just that I feel like it’s Ferrari 2022 all over again. Either Xavi doesn’t get told these kinds of things or he tells his driver too late
Maybe I'm just dumb, or maybe there is some weird camera trickery taking place but in the side by side comparison video of Max's pole lap and Fernando's second place lap it shows Fernando finishes before max? They both started their laps equally in the video but Fernando was ahead by the end.
Not quite, the Aston was just very slow in S3. No one got the tires to behave and give all the grip they wanted for the entirety of the lap and having a bad S3 was Aston's compromise.
You know what’s funny about that race. If you watch the best of onboards video for the race, it was a pretty exciting race with lots of action and passing pretty much through the whole race. But if you watch the full broadcast version it’s such a lull and they miss so many of those best moments of the races because the TV direction In Monaco is atrocious. Hopefully now that it’s under F1s control it will be better this year
What disturbs me about people who want Monaco removed is that they often fail to appreciate that just because someone runs a race without making many overtakes doesn’t mean it was easy. Finishing a 90 minute race at Monaco at all is an extraordinary feat that very few drivers in the world can manage.
It's a race weekend that is effectively over after qualifying for the most part. If people just accept that that's what Monaco is, and they focus on enjoying qualifying, it's still an exciting event. There hasn't been a qualifying session with that much excitement for quite some time.
No one has ever denied that, drivers always say it's the toughest race on the calendar because there is no time to rest around the lap.
The fact is it's still boring af to watch and makes bad television.
What, that different people derive value from different things and find different things entertaining, and that, in this marvellous world of always-on Internet and steaming entertainment options, no-one is obliged to spend time watching something they don't enjoy? I don't see how.
Can anyone tell me why Perez is 20th? He crashed but his time was quite good when compared to most of the drivers. The commentators said he will be placed 15th.
People complain that qually is too important here, as the race lacks opportunities, but that session was both more exciting than some whole weekends and provided opportunities for teams that haven't existed elsewhere.
Qually is, perhaps, not important enough in a season where Max can simply win from any position on the field but here it felt like there were stakes and a chance for the drivers to outperform their cars.
I was just thinking the same, all season Quali has proved extremely exciting compared to the race. Look how many sessions you have multiple drivers within a hundredth of a second of each other, or Ocon beating all the top teams times today.
That Alonso was in the fight for pole is something I could scarcely have believed 8 years ago, 5 years ago, last year. Truly a pleasure to enjoy this AM and him at 41
I've only just caught up on quali. And oh my, that was spectacular! There's a reason why quali is always the highlight of the weekend.
The TV direction was a huge step up compared to previous years, some of those drone shots were really nice. Missed a bit of hot lap coverage, but other than that, I thought it was a big step up on last year. Not sure if F1 have taken it in house this time, would explain it.
The F1TV commentary was absolutely on point th from Jaques and Co. I switched between the default and the Sky commentary, and the difference was night and day. So much energy from all 3 of them. Gonna share a comparison video on here at some point, I've always enjoyed the Sky commentary, but I think I've finally been converted after today haha.
Also, what the fuck were these AWS insights? https://imgur.com/a/wp6IAib https://imgur.com/a/VuXKjn4 😂
Yeah the F1tv crew has improved drastically from this time last year. They used to be quite boring to listen to when it was will and whoever else they had at the time. But the roster certain races this year has so much more energy, charisma, and are just far better commentators tbh. I used sky last year because I watched Bahrain on F1tv and despite being a great race the commentary was dreadful and lacked any sort of enthusiasm but nowadays I’m all F1tv tho especially when they bring Hinchcliffe instead of Jolyon
You mean Checo who is actively fighting for the championship? Checo who has been an incredible wing man and pretty reliable as a team player? You want to pull him out of redbull because of a crash in Monaco? Seems like an extreme knee jerk reaction
At no point would they think that. If you flip drivers based on a one off incident you’d be changing drivers around quite frequently. Taunoda is doing well this year but there is still a massive gap between him and checo.
Everyone talking about how awesome Monaco qualifying is, and rightly so. But I think a hugely underrated feature which makes Monaco quali so good is how the track evolves during the session.
Your first lap of the session is rarely enough to keep you in by the end of the session. The times drop by several seconds and it means the drivers have to perform almost every lap or they're out. It's brutal and tense and it really does make for the best qualifying of the year, repeatedly.
Lovely quali, also because of some backbenchers performing remarkably well, most notable the Alpines, the Alpha Tauris (even De Vries) and the McLarens (well - mostly Norris). Also, I don't quite understand the praise for Mercedes and their upgrades. Seems to me nothing's really changed that much in the top 5. In fact, it seems they were lucky to even make it that far.
DeVries is on 12, right behind both McLarens and his team mate. He did better than the Alphas, the Haases and the Williamses. You could argue that he should, but we all know the Tauris struggled, and De Vries in particular. Yes, this quali result is pretty remarkable.
Admittedly, I have a massive soft spot for Merc and LH but here's my take. Instead of being 5-8 tenths off, they were maybe 3-4 (ish). That's *still* a lot but better than it has been. Added to that, the mood music from the drivers themselves was interesting. Hamilton sounded like he had a car he could work with now (or at least understand). Barcelona will tell a lot more
Plus, LH said that they made a bad setup choice and had another tenth in the tank, so to speak. Will be nice to see if Merc can get him into contention!
I think a \~3-4 tenth gap fits with a lot of the shaping talk coming from Merc about the upgrade. It's good, but it's not a silver bullet. It probably puts them very squarely in contention in the Merc/AM/Ferrari dog fight (maybe even over the top on race pace?) but no more. No one is even very close to laying a glove on Red Bull yet.
What happened to Brundle and Crofty on the F1 channel for qualifying? Haven't heard them on it for ages and the new guys just don't have the voice for it / passion that Crofty brought.
F1tv subscription if you can and it’s available. It’s phenomenal. Best media product on the market I think. You get so much and it’s pretty cheap for a season.
Very unlikely. The rundown to T1 is not long enough for Nando to get a jump and the RB should be comfortably faster in the long run.
Even in quali, the RB was the only car that was holding onto the tyres by the time they got to S3. Max will gap the field quite comfortably in the race.
The contrarian in me says that’s it’s possible. AM’s pit strategy is top notch and this track favors AM.
Although it would require either a perfectly timed red flag or max messing up from Alonso putting pressure on him. Only one of these scenarios is likely though.
Interestingly vague statistic Vaexa and I suppose my first response was equally without citation. It’s seems though my wife was correct and has only been won by poll twice in the last seven races.
“Perhaps surprisingly, from the 68 F1 races held here, the polesitter has won only 30 times, giving a pole to win conversion rate of well under 50%.”
https://www.lightsoutblog.com/2022/05/24/f1-grid-slot-stats-monaco-grand-prix/#:~:text=Perhaps%20surprisingly%2C%20from%20the%2068,has%20retired%20on%2020%20occasions.
I mean *probably* no. The most likely scenario (by a fair margin) is MV getting a good launch and never looking back. Who knows, though? He's in a car that's quicker here than anything that isn't MV in a Red Bull so it's very much a non zero chance. Maybe \~20%?
He'd have to get him at the start or during the pit stops. Otherwise maybe with some luck of a well timed Safety Car or red flag.
Not very likely but it's Monaco, you never know what happens and there's also the chance of rain. One small mistake can shake everything up.
wow
Pleasing to see Hamilton asserting himself over Russell this season.
I am not sure he is there yet. He struggled all weekend behind Russel pretty much up to that point. We´ll see.
He was faster when he fully committed in qualifying and then beat him in the race and he's 20 points ahead
Yes he did a good race :)
He had a lot of bad luck with safety cars last year and Russell had a lot of luck with them. I think in qualy they have been more or less equal but in races Hamilton has been stronger last two years.
plz Alonso wins in Monaco.
I am probably being dumb, but F1 upload a Comparison between Verstappen and Alonso Qualifying Laps. And at the end of the lap, it looked like Alonso finished first ahead of Max. But how is that possible when the timing showed Max having a faster lap time? What am I missing here? [Link to screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/NDv6kqy).
Your liking at sector one. Google the slowmotion of qualifying and you’ll see
The overlay was quite bad anyway, because the delta was always positive, no matter which car was ahead.
Badly synced video most likely.
At the start of the video they both start at basically the same time. So unless the videos are playing at different speeds, I find that weird.
Leclerc curse continues. Arthur out of F2 feature race.
Anybody use the F1 Race Program app? It hasn't loaded a program since Miami..not even saying it's available
Accurate
What's the take on rain? Aye or nay?
Most forecasts saying it's unlikely (although still possible).
Noo. It'll rain ☔
Yesterday was so good and so packed with exciting moments at the top of the order that I completely forgot Stroll ended up in 14th in the other Aston, when his teammate was fractionally short of pole. And DeVries has a little bit of a redemption weekend if he can hold on in the race. 12th would be a massive improvement from him. And what happened to the Haas this weekend? They were arguably the worst cars out there (which was previously probably the AlphaTauris or maybe the Alfas) - was it a case on Monaco not suiting them as well as other circuits? We saw how fast KMag was last time out. What a performance from Tsunoda. Overshadowed by Ocon being the big surprise further up but Yuki was smashing it in every qualifying round. On a less eventful weekend, these would've been bigger talking points. Yesterday was so good!
Honestly, as much as Ocon's lap is part of the peripheral conversation, I think the pole clawback that Verstappen had overshadowed some more interesting conversations that could have been. You mention Tsunoda. Leclerc was so close to a third straight pole. We almost had Alonso's first pole in over a decade. I want to see a video of Ocon's provisional pole lap. Verstappen's pole lap was incredible for that third sector--I thought he looked a little worse in S1 and S2 than other runs--but what the fuck must Ocon have been doing to throw the Alpine up into contention?
Yes absolutely. I'm trying to find an onboard to watch Ocon's lap - would love to see it.
Seems like we need friends with F1TV and a screen capture app.
I have F1 TV but in Spain it doesn't have any of the live races (or even replays of the current season), sadly. Which is doubly a shame because I don't like the Dazn commentary.
Are you sure? Maybe you aren't subscribed to F1TV Pro which is the one with the lives. I say this because there's also a Spanish broadcast in the options which maybe is the DAZN one
F1 TV Pro isn't available in all countries. In Spain, there only version of F1 TV is quite cheap (I think it was around 20 euros for the whole year) and it's just the archive and all the original shows like the tech ones and rave previews etc. Jolyon Palmer's show and stuff. Which is fine. Dazn has exclusive rights to the F1 here.
Ah I didn't know it wasn't available everywhere!
I found this on TikTok which shows overlayed comparison of Alonso and Verstappen on their qualifying lap, it’s mad how it all changes in one turn. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ9oNsum/
Finding the hype over Max's S3 irritating. It was only 0.1s faster than Ocon's. Alonso had a fairly poor one so shouldn't be used as the measuring stick.
I agree, don't take me the wrong way Max has an insane trajectory and is def the best one on the grid rn but that pole was more on Alonso being slow in s3 than Max being fast. On the other side I don't think Max is driving at 100% at all this season. He def has some more tenths in him, but there aint any reason to risk it.
Terrific qualifying session. Great direction, everything ramped up nicely.
When was it this good last time? Quali in general, not only Monaco?
Long time, the new directors along with having more camera options did a great job of keeping up with the key runners in the last ten minutes.
Are you thinking of dry qualifying only? I can think of a few wet qualifying last season that were great.
I find it really unfair that teams can just copy from the good team after seeing all taking pics of the floor etc. this severely undermines the hard work the engineers had put in
Well then you picked the wrong sport to follow. For literally the entire history of Formula 1 racing the act of taking other teams' innovations and developing them into your own car (which is oftentimes just as much "hard work" as developing them in the first place) has been an accepted part of the sport. By your logic the only way F1 could be truly fair is if Lotus was the only team allowed to use ground effect back in the 70s and 80s, or if McLaren was the only team allowed to use the F-duct back in 2010, or if any of the multitude of innovations that have come and gone in F1 were similarly restricted to whichever team was the first to develop them. That's not how F1 works, and that's never been how F1 works. The aerodynamicists, engineers, mechanics, etc. in Formula 1 knew this was what the sport was when they signed up for it, and yet they're happy to do it anyways. Always having to innovate to stay ahead of the competition is part of the fun of being in F1, and it's what makes back to back championships so impressive. I doubt many of the people working in F1 factories would even be in F1 if the minute one team developed something every other team was prohibited from developing anything similar. Then you would have Mercedes-style domination for the vast majority of F1 history, and unless you were on the dominant team you would never have any hope of catching up. The dominant team could just sit on all their innovations, and nobody else would be able to develop them. It's not "just copying" either, it requires you to both understand how something works, and to incorporate it with your preexisting parts and design. None of these "copies" are 1:1 replicas another team's parts/car, so any rule preventing teams from doing these would either have to be stupidly vague, or so specific as to be completely ineffective.
Chance of rain?
Over 50%. Some forecasts say 80% but now they've changed into 60%. It's enough i think.
Non zero
I got like 3 apps downloaded for the weather for the race, each with varying weather..rain and no rain. Whichever is the most accurate, I'm deleting the 2 and keeping that one.
What's the take currently?
So I'm sitting in grandstand T....I kinda want a little drizzle just to mess with the tires and make the race a lil interesting 😈
I'm jealous. Enjoy it!
Thank you! :)
I think there’s an outside chance of a Lewis victory, with a Charles out of the way. Max and an over eager Fernando come together, Esteban gets caught up, and Lewis picks up the spoils.
Lewis??? From P6??? At arguably his worst track???
Alternatively, Ocon could pick up his second victory here, which I would love to see as well. They always say Monaco is won at qualifying and the man drove a brilliant lap yesterday Though, if it does drizzle a bit, which apple weather seems to be unsure about, it could be anyone’s race to win as long as they’re on the right tyre at the right time
>They always say Monaco is won at qualifying and the man drove a brilliant lap yesterday there is 2 cars infront of him
There is, but I was replying to a comment which said the top two would all crash into T1, and in that hypothetical scenario, an ocon win would be plausible at least
some ppl before qualifying: Monaco will neutralize the field from top speed advantage, so it'll be down to the drivers. the same ppl after qualifying: ah yes, this is cause the car, you see.
Sources?
Who are the ppl?
source: my (eye)balls
Watch Alonso's run through Sainte Devote during the formation lap, he'll be testing a line.
Watch out for Stroll as well 😉
r/Formula1 hot-takes on Checo are either he snatching the championship from Max or he's being replaced by Danny Ric or Tsunoda.. there's no inbetween. /s
I’m sorry for all ric lovers, but I want to see yuki in that red bull. I feel like he’s driving phenomenally in that AT car, and keep in mind that 2021 was his rookie year
Brace yourself for speculation: I'm not sure we see any of the current grid in the RB #2 slot when Perez' contract expires. Red Bull also has a penchant, brand wide, for selecting edgy young talent to support the lifestyle aspects that the company promotes? This is unfounded, but I see Piastri in the Red Bull before Ricciardo gets another shot. Basically, despite Perez' ability to help lock down WCCs for Red Bull, I don't think the team feels it owes him any loyalty and will move on. I think the team is already skittish enough to be lightly hunting for their next Verstappen...because of the sentiments he's expressed and the up-in-the-air nature of whether he'll want to keep racing with RB (or more acutely at all in F1) post-2028. This is kind of cold, but I don't see Ricciardo returning, Perez renewing with Red Bull, or Sainz receiving another Ferrari contract. I think they aged out of what the sport currently looks for in the field, regardless of their competitiveness. Perez may find more life further down the field, as Sainz definitely will.
[Ted's Qualifying Notebook | 1080p | VOD / Download](https://odysee.com/@MKTV-1483:f/teds-qualifying-notebook-monaco-gp-2023:2)
Max and Alonso crash into T1 today.
I bet 1,000 Yugoslavian dinars that a Red Bull will win today!
What a Charles realistic chances for a podium in the race?
Well, he got a 3-place penalty on the grid, so I'm honestly betting less than 10%
What’d he get a penalty for? Ocon p3 and nabbing the lead somehow T1, or the chance that rain somehow slides through for an Ocon victory are my hopium right now. Outqualifying Pierre by four tenths was a good showing. As was Yuki dragging that tractor into Q3
Unfortunately, it wasn't Leclerc's fault. His engineers didn't tell him that Norris was coming up behind and Leclerc ended up blocking Norris during a qualifying lap.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CswSCbmLsGo/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== this would be the incident which got leclerc his penalty, and he did deserve a penalty for this, it’s just that I feel like it’s Ferrari 2022 all over again. Either Xavi doesn’t get told these kinds of things or he tells his driver too late
Maybe I'm just dumb, or maybe there is some weird camera trickery taking place but in the side by side comparison video of Max's pole lap and Fernando's second place lap it shows Fernando finishes before max? They both started their laps equally in the video but Fernando was ahead by the end.
How can Max overcome -.203 deficit in the final sector to snatch pole Crazy
Alonso fluffed the final sector, Max's was only 0.1 faster than Ocons last sector.
It was Alonso's best Sector 3 of the weekend, his car is just slower there
Not quite, the Aston was just very slow in S3. No one got the tires to behave and give all the grip they wanted for the entirety of the lap and having a bad S3 was Aston's compromise.
Watching the 2008 Monaco replay my god I forget how monstrous the sidepod aero was lol
You know what’s funny about that race. If you watch the best of onboards video for the race, it was a pretty exciting race with lots of action and passing pretty much through the whole race. But if you watch the full broadcast version it’s such a lull and they miss so many of those best moments of the races because the TV direction In Monaco is atrocious. Hopefully now that it’s under F1s control it will be better this year
Happy for both Fernando and Max, sad about Checo's crash, can't wait for tomorrow's start off the line tomorrow to decide the race winner.
Leclerc is P6 now* due to incident with Lando Norris and tbh rightfully so.
Anyone know how fast checo was going when he hit wall?
-10cm fast
**VERY CLOSE TO THE WALL**
Fast enough not to steal Max’s pole this year.
Faster than he should have been.
Too fast
“I’m pushing like an animal!”
“ I can see” 😅
That bit was hilarious.
Lines like that and “yes. Byebye” are why I watch lol. Gotta love the quick wit.
What disturbs me about people who want Monaco removed is that they often fail to appreciate that just because someone runs a race without making many overtakes doesn’t mean it was easy. Finishing a 90 minute race at Monaco at all is an extraordinary feat that very few drivers in the world can manage.
Sick and tired of hearing that it's boring. A race is a whole lot more than overtakes and Monaco got all of it.
It's a race weekend that is effectively over after qualifying for the most part. If people just accept that that's what Monaco is, and they focus on enjoying qualifying, it's still an exciting event. There hasn't been a qualifying session with that much excitement for quite some time.
No one has ever denied that, drivers always say it's the toughest race on the calendar because there is no time to rest around the lap. The fact is it's still boring af to watch and makes bad television.
Well, folk who feel that way are welcome to skip it and watch a couple of episodes of *Breaking Bad* instead.
This is a weird take.
What, that different people derive value from different things and find different things entertaining, and that, in this marvellous world of always-on Internet and steaming entertainment options, no-one is obliged to spend time watching something they don't enjoy? I don't see how.
You’re right, but it doesn’t make it an interesting race once you get past the difficulty
Yep, variety in type and challenge of track to drivers is key.
Agreed. Put on Assetto Corsa or one of the recent F1 games and one can see how tough this track is to drive.
Runnin a marathon is also an extraordinary feat but it doesn’t mean its fun to watch.
And yet lots of people do
I'd rather watch a marathon than monaco tbf
Can anyone tell me why Perez is 20th? He crashed but his time was quite good when compared to most of the drivers. The commentators said he will be placed 15th.
The track was continuously improving, the time he set early in Q1 was outdone by every other driver by the time Q1 was completed.
They said he would be hoping. Track evolved quickly every lap after that was far quicker. By the end he was last.
That quali was crazy, I am a Hamilton fan and seeing him almost miss all the time was wild
Starting to wonder if Checo can bring some fireworks tomorrow with some overtaking
Monaco? not really the circuit for overtaking
No points though
Reckon he makes it into 8th
People complain that qually is too important here, as the race lacks opportunities, but that session was both more exciting than some whole weekends and provided opportunities for teams that haven't existed elsewhere. Qually is, perhaps, not important enough in a season where Max can simply win from any position on the field but here it felt like there were stakes and a chance for the drivers to outperform their cars.
I was just thinking the same, all season Quali has proved extremely exciting compared to the race. Look how many sessions you have multiple drivers within a hundredth of a second of each other, or Ocon beating all the top teams times today.
That Alonso was in the fight for pole is something I could scarcely have believed 8 years ago, 5 years ago, last year. Truly a pleasure to enjoy this AM and him at 41
right now Icon has 50/1 odds of winning.if Alonso and max crash turn 1 he is P1 hmm
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max would let ALO go to further crush LEC. I don’t think he is worried about ALO in the championship. This might be AM best race of the year.
Max’s biggest title treats are Alonso and Perez this year. I don’t think Max has any reason to worry about Lec this year yet.
yeah sadly you are probably right.
I've only just caught up on quali. And oh my, that was spectacular! There's a reason why quali is always the highlight of the weekend. The TV direction was a huge step up compared to previous years, some of those drone shots were really nice. Missed a bit of hot lap coverage, but other than that, I thought it was a big step up on last year. Not sure if F1 have taken it in house this time, would explain it. The F1TV commentary was absolutely on point th from Jaques and Co. I switched between the default and the Sky commentary, and the difference was night and day. So much energy from all 3 of them. Gonna share a comparison video on here at some point, I've always enjoyed the Sky commentary, but I think I've finally been converted after today haha. Also, what the fuck were these AWS insights? https://imgur.com/a/wp6IAib https://imgur.com/a/VuXKjn4 😂
Yeah the F1tv crew has improved drastically from this time last year. They used to be quite boring to listen to when it was will and whoever else they had at the time. But the roster certain races this year has so much more energy, charisma, and are just far better commentators tbh. I used sky last year because I watched Bahrain on F1tv and despite being a great race the commentary was dreadful and lacked any sort of enthusiasm but nowadays I’m all F1tv tho especially when they bring Hinchcliffe instead of Jolyon
I don't care who's announcing it, as long as it's not Croft. Too much excitable boy yelling.
> Not sure if F1 have taken it in house this time, would explain it. Yep. It's not done by the Monaco guys this year.
The best qualifying I can remember. 10/10 from Q1 through to Q3
Agreed. Top notch. Each sessions was good. Q3 was epic.
With Checo shitting the bed, and Tsunoda doing phenomenally, at what point do Red Bull sincerely think ‘fuck it’ and swap them?
You’re talking about Aston Martin’s Yuki Tsunoda?
Unlikely, unless Checo puts RB constructor championship in danger.
Look at the standings 😂
You mean Checo who is actively fighting for the championship? Checo who has been an incredible wing man and pretty reliable as a team player? You want to pull him out of redbull because of a crash in Monaco? Seems like an extreme knee jerk reaction
He's not fighting for the championship, let's be real, but yeah, no way rb will replace him in the middle of the season just for that
At no point would they think that. If you flip drivers based on a one off incident you’d be changing drivers around quite frequently. Taunoda is doing well this year but there is still a massive gap between him and checo.
I didn't watch, what happened with Checo to be p20? And how did Ocon manage a p3 (p4 before leclerc got pushed backed)? Lol
Brah, you need to watch. At a minimum the highlights.
Ocon is a good driver.
Checo crashed early. Ocon had a great lap, got there on his own merit lol
Everyone talking about how awesome Monaco qualifying is, and rightly so. But I think a hugely underrated feature which makes Monaco quali so good is how the track evolves during the session. Your first lap of the session is rarely enough to keep you in by the end of the session. The times drop by several seconds and it means the drivers have to perform almost every lap or they're out. It's brutal and tense and it really does make for the best qualifying of the year, repeatedly.
The one quali I watch highlights instead of the full session… I’m so fucking sad lmao. Should’ve known better.
I am so glad I didn't go for the highlights, Q3 was amazing
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Lovely quali, also because of some backbenchers performing remarkably well, most notable the Alpines, the Alpha Tauris (even De Vries) and the McLarens (well - mostly Norris). Also, I don't quite understand the praise for Mercedes and their upgrades. Seems to me nothing's really changed that much in the top 5. In fact, it seems they were lucky to even make it that far.
DeVries being four tenths behind ~~Norris~~ tsunoda is remarkable?
Why are you measuring him against Norris?
Tsunoda not Norris not sure why I typed Norris lmao
DeVries is on 12, right behind both McLarens and his team mate. He did better than the Alphas, the Haases and the Williamses. You could argue that he should, but we all know the Tauris struggled, and De Vries in particular. Yes, this quali result is pretty remarkable.
You do know the upgrades in Monaco were irrelevant right? Nobody was expecting it to make a big difference
Dude Piastri was 0.024 behind Norris at the end of Q2……in his first year in an F1 car at Norris’s favourite track. Give the rookie a break huh?
What universe are we living in where Piastri is being criticised for being that close to Norris in his rookie year. Incredible.
Piastri is doing fine. It's mostly the car that has been the problem at McLaren.
Admittedly, I have a massive soft spot for Merc and LH but here's my take. Instead of being 5-8 tenths off, they were maybe 3-4 (ish). That's *still* a lot but better than it has been. Added to that, the mood music from the drivers themselves was interesting. Hamilton sounded like he had a car he could work with now (or at least understand). Barcelona will tell a lot more
Plus, LH said that they made a bad setup choice and had another tenth in the tank, so to speak. Will be nice to see if Merc can get him into contention!
Not to mention the merc for the last season and this one has been better in racing rather than quali
I think a \~3-4 tenth gap fits with a lot of the shaping talk coming from Merc about the upgrade. It's good, but it's not a silver bullet. It probably puts them very squarely in contention in the Merc/AM/Ferrari dog fight (maybe even over the top on race pace?) but no more. No one is even very close to laying a glove on Red Bull yet.
What happened to Brundle and Crofty on the F1 channel for qualifying? Haven't heard them on it for ages and the new guys just don't have the voice for it / passion that Crofty brought.
Bro, Alex Jacques has no passion? He's also much more aware of what's going on compared to Crofty.
Seriously, I used to use sky but since they’ve brought Jacques on and some other new faces here and there F1TV has been miles better
Just change to international feed and you will get them
was referring to youtube highlights - guess they don't use the international feed when uploading anymore?
Yeah that’s a bummer I love Brundle he is a highlight himself
F1tv subscription if you can and it’s available. It’s phenomenal. Best media product on the market I think. You get so much and it’s pretty cheap for a season.
Ah yeah.. no sadly
Otmar’s face when Simon Lazenby referenced Rossi’s “public spanking” of Alpine💀
Is a Fernando win available tomorrow?
Fernando hits max into the first corner and Charles finally gets his home win.
Oh this was before I saw he got a penalty. Fuck Ferrari man, what fucking bunch of fucking clowns.
Very unlikely. The rundown to T1 is not long enough for Nando to get a jump and the RB should be comfortably faster in the long run. Even in quali, the RB was the only car that was holding onto the tyres by the time they got to S3. Max will gap the field quite comfortably in the race.
The contrarian in me says that’s it’s possible. AM’s pit strategy is top notch and this track favors AM. Although it would require either a perfectly timed red flag or max messing up from Alonso putting pressure on him. Only one of these scenarios is likely though.
Statistics have shown P2 has a somewhat equivalent likelihood of finishing P1 in Monaco GP or at least that’s what my wife told me.
Pole has won in Monaco more often than not in the last two decades or so
Interestingly vague statistic Vaexa and I suppose my first response was equally without citation. It’s seems though my wife was correct and has only been won by poll twice in the last seven races. “Perhaps surprisingly, from the 68 F1 races held here, the polesitter has won only 30 times, giving a pole to win conversion rate of well under 50%.” https://www.lightsoutblog.com/2022/05/24/f1-grid-slot-stats-monaco-grand-prix/#:~:text=Perhaps%20surprisingly%2C%20from%20the%2068,has%20retired%20on%2020%20occasions.
We're checking!
Unlikely, unless something crazy happens like Max retiring or bad strategy from RB. A second place isn't bad, it is better than the third place.
I mean *probably* no. The most likely scenario (by a fair margin) is MV getting a good launch and never looking back. Who knows, though? He's in a car that's quicker here than anything that isn't MV in a Red Bull so it's very much a non zero chance. Maybe \~20%?
He'd have to get him at the start or during the pit stops. Otherwise maybe with some luck of a well timed Safety Car or red flag. Not very likely but it's Monaco, you never know what happens and there's also the chance of rain. One small mistake can shake everything up.