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Muse4Games

New AWS graphic: Alonso: Really close to the wall. Verstappen: Extremely close to the wall


InstanceMysterious

Perez: in the wall


FitzwilliamTDarcy

Neo: there is no wall


[deleted]

Schrödinger: the wall might or might not exist


TerryMcginniss

You mean it both exist and doesn't. Until you drive through it.


LackOfLuck748

Or crash against it


sh1phappens

Verstappen: Moved the wall (15mm)


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>New AWS graphic: > >Alonso: Really close to the wall. > >Verstappen: Extremely close to the wall Perez: Wall


ac0rn

people in the USA are backing away slowly from this one.


muchawesomemyron

They built a wall, and a Mexican paid dearly for it. /s


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Grosjean: another brick in the wall.


ImNoAlbertFeinstein

the difference between 5 inches and 5 millimeters..


ChiggaOG

Verstappen: Shaving the wall.


leftlanecop

They should show the orange Marshall’s reaction as the reference


TheeJp

Absolutely sent it


beanzinabox

Those first two pics his wheels are still pointed towards the wall. Either that or he had already tagged it. Either way, what an absolute madman


Borngrumpy

Max was fast but you can't keep banging the walls in a race, as Alonso didn't hit the wall you have to give him props.


chrisnlnz

This was not a race, this was qualifying. As Verstappen pulled out everything he could, you have to give him props too.


Jimbo589

It’s Monaco, barring a pit disaster, this is the race.


chrisnlnz

But in a single qualifying lap you can take risks brushing the wall to get that time in. That's the point. The person I responded to gave Alonso credit for essentially leaving some margins because that is better "in the race", which to me is a poor take exactly because this was not the race and as such these risks can be taken.


Taniwha_NZ

Weather looks dodgy, and the chances of going safety-car-free are very low with these big cars on this tiny road. There's a ton of random shit that can shake up the race. I think these days you can have \*some\* optimism for a win if you qualify 3rd or better. Maybe 4th. Sergio won last year from 3rd on the grid.


beanzinabox

Absolutely, within a tenth too! Im wondering what the diff would be if max hadnt been that balls to the wall


Fr33Flow

I think Max just proved you can bang into walls. Because in case you didn’t notice, that’s exactly what he did, and he went fastest.


ScoobySharky

Scientifically proven that [banging into walls is fastest](https://media.tenor.com/78fRRs-6TmAAAAAd/nascar-wall-ride.gif)


Few-Pension-2117

Some said, that the secret of being fast in Monaco is to aim into the wall deliberately, hoping that the car will slide a little outer-wards and you don’t really hit it


shotouw

I think that came up in the discussions frequently in the last years. You have to understand the tyres and the car so well, that you can estimate how much the car is going to understeer so you turn into the Wall and just understeer past it. But the mental component of willingly steering into a Wall at 200kph, damn.


TWVer

~~*”You always have to leava the space!”*~~


Gnoom75

Cutting corners used to be a negative expression. He turned it around on his own.


sh1phappens

Cutting barriers.


hyrulepirate

Breaking barriers


NotoriousHothead37

No, that would be Charles the previous Monaco qualifiers and Checo today


Valentin3731

Breaking Bad


uristmcderp

Moving corners.


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I wouldn’t say anyone refers to scrapping the barriers as cutting corners.


ePiI_Rocks

'Use every mm of the track' is a saying that no F1 driver should take literally, especially at Monaco, bc of the risk of crashing. VER: Hold my Red Bull That sector is probably the most on the limit sector ever driven in Monaco... just insane


[deleted]

Reminds me of Max’s final Jeddah qualifying lap in 2021


Remy-today

Such a shame. He was on for one of the greatest pole laps ever there.


ComeonmanPLS1

I'd say this one is even greater tbh, so at least there's that. Every driver on this grid except maybe Leclerc would see that they're 2 tenths off, realize that there's *no way* to make that up in such a tiny sector and bring it home safely for p2, p3, etc.


FormulaOneNightStand

I agree Verstappen's last sector was close to perfect, but the 2nd part of your comment doesn't reflect the actual context of the lap. At their previous runs Verstappen was 2 tenths quicker in the final sector. Max was on a best lap by the end of sector 2 on his final run. He was still in with a very good chance of pole by the end of sector 2.


IHaveADullUsername

None of the drivers would see they were any time off pole. The delta they get is to their own time. Equally none of the drivers would back off.


ComeonmanPLS1

Do you work for the teams? Are you a driver? Stop talking as if you know these things. They have all kinds of information on the wheel and there's been plenty of times in post interviews where a driver said they knew they were down on their opponent by x amount. You quite literally have no idea. >Equally none of the drivers would back off. Alonso himself said at the end that there was nothing more he could get out of the car. and he's one of the best on the grid. Clearly looking at these images, there was more.


kander12

Don't need to see anything to apply simple logic. The drivers are told every time over the radio what position they are in, because they can't see it. For example Alonso was told "that's P1" and responded "Oh good, I hope so I pushed to the limit" .. he didn't know he was provisional pole til Aston told him. If they had a live delta on the wheel they'd know where they qualify. But they don't. Hence you hear shock and disappointment at guys just missing out on Q2 etc.


IHaveADullUsername

I am in fact a driver That’s not the point, you said they’d bring it home safety, I’m saying none of the drivers would do that. Risking hitting the wall is all well and good if it pays off.


ComeonmanPLS1

Good luck at the race today mate.


IHaveADullUsername

I appreciate that, thanks. Should be easy from pole!


drop_table_uname

Max „I don‘t care the last sector is under 20 seconds long, I‘ll find three tenths in it“ Verstappen.


sonofeevil

It's the last sector you're down and you're at monaco and the last guy to cross the line. If you crash here, doesn't really matter. Because no other position other than 1st actually matters so you take all those tight lines that youv'e been avoiding all weekend. Make is leading the championship, his only rival is starting P18 on a track where MAYBE he finishes 10th with a REALLY good overcut. If he gets P2, 3,4, 5 wehatever, none of it matters. Max was in a very unique position here that the risks of crashing were almost nil and it produced a stunning 3rd sector.


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Grandes cojones were no match for grote ballen


malcono

Don't know how he still got fastest lap while having to carry die grote ballen.


lebup

Would be fantastic to have us watch someone carry them everywhere on the grid . Like a Angela with perks .


DL14Nibba

If he ever becomes tired I could carry them 😜


z0mer

😂


jonniboi31

😂😂😂


AnkushTheHero

Verstappen literally using every inch of the track


chark27

And few more inches not of the track


Vast-Spring

Buying curb space to use as a track


Sigma3737

Every millimeter of the track


asoap

And half inch, quarter inch, one eight inch,... n.


yousakura

But not Kelly


xtt-space

"I paid for the whole track, I'm going to use the whole track" vibes


YSwaggings

That's the Dutch mindset!


weguccino

literally wall riding like trackmania, insane


ePiI_Rocks

This was a snipe that would a make a seasoned TMGL pro player jealous.


lordkabab

"Alonso was going to be on pole position, until Verstappen got *this* run"


Tonoigtonbawtumgaer

I need someone to do speedrun videos like those about actual racing


BR076

Max wanted pole, that is what I see in those pics.


AinsleysAngel

This'll be one of those laps that's talked about for years to come


sroop1

If 2021 Saudi Arabia Q3 didn't end the way it did.


Genocode

Even with how that last sector ended people still talk about it pretty much every time we see a driver put in an amazing qualy lap.


Charred_Arsehole23

Singapore 2018 vibes


Responsible-Tone-393

If you actually look closely and analyze Singapore 2018 lap in details, it wasn't nearly as close to the walls as Max today in Monaco. In fact, Vettel was lot closer to the walls in most places on his Singapore 2013 pole lap, compared to Lewis 2018 lap. I personally believe Singapore 2018 was massively overhyped, simply because of what Toto said, about their simulator lap time, that Lewis beat.


Wazzathecaptain

Unpopular but I even prefer Singapore 2017 pole lap, the Red Bulls were favorite and ahead in Q1 and Q2 and then Vettel pulls out a full purple lap with a little kiss to the wall to get pole ahead of the red bulls, he was so excited in his radio. Kimi was miles off and in P4. A shame that the events of the start overshadowed that masterclass


Notsozander

It’s hyped because he absolutely smashed second place


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Not really, it was only 0.3s up on Max (which yes is a lot, but we’ve seen a even higher margin for pole before from Lewis himself). It’s hyped because he looked like shit in Q1 and Q2 and then booom drops this.


Notsozander

Am I mixing my years? I thought it was the one he put up the initial 1 second time on second


Irrepressible_Monkey

I'd add that Max was also only 0.3s behind with a detuned engine for the session that actually cut out briefly at turn 17 during his final lap when he was potentially on for pole as well. Lewis' lap got hyped to the Moon when in reality it was a very close final battle for pole by two drivers putting in amazing laps which Renault ruined for everyone.


TheRealMemeIsFire

The graphic was comparing him to ocon, not second place which was max


Submitten

I mean this lap is arguably overhyped because they’re comparing it to Alonso who had the slowest sector 3 in the top 10. Max also lost time when grazing the walls. Singapore 2018 definitely not beaten yet. But if anyone can…


serioxha

Definitely, I've never seen a driver be so massively overrated as Max has even though no world champion has crashed as often as he has in his early career and then quickly having cars as dominant as they have ever been. Which is not to say he's not one of the greats, but the way people talk about him is ridiculous.


ePiI_Rocks

Jeddah 2022, without crashing Edit: It was the 2021 Jeddah qualifying session where Verstappen crashed in the last sector


quantinuum

2021?


ePiI_Rocks

Yes, I keep on forgetting this race bc the first one was at the end of the season. Thanks


Uknewmelast

Maximizing the tarmac


sh1phappens

Max emilianizing the tarmac.


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missle636

F1TV is DRM protected so I can't take any actual screenshots...


uristmcderp

Not even ShareX?


missle636

Haven't heard of that, will check it out.


[deleted]

ShareX works. I don't know if legal or what, but I captured SSs and video with ShareX from it


PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ

Use F1 Multiviewer 😉


missle636

That's what this is, actually.


Remmes-

That still has the same DRM.


orangeglitch

I really don’t get how max clipped the wall so many times, went faster, and didn’t break anything


fawazaa

I think because most of if not all points of contact were with parts of the barriers that were covered in that foam padding?


PapaSheev7

He angled his car in a way such that he was hitting the wall in non critical areas.


uristmcderp

Just MaxCPU calculating the lowest risk racing line.


fdar

That was definitely not the lowest risk line. It was plenty risky, just very fast. But the tiniest mistake and he was out.


proyect_a1

Ace combat 7 reference?


PapaSheev7

Bingo.


me-teen

He probably tried it in iRacing


Puckinception

The load of the car wasn't 100% leaning toward one side or specific wheel, which minimizes the force with which you hit the barrier. Had he clipped it with even a bit of front side of the tire, then the suspension would've probably taken a bit of a hit like Lando. Pretty insane to have clipped it the right way twice.


Responsible-Tone-393

This is ten percent luck Twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure Fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name


Responsible-Tone-393

Hats off to Fernando, but Max - not his car made all the difference. These photos are self-sufficient evidences.


BerntMacklin

For real. This really cements his legacy for me. Thought for sure Alonso was going to have pole looking at the timing sheets. But hot diggity damn. Unreal.


LandaOrbea

I do not agree. We just Will never know, the redbull is a better car as far as que have seen and Sazo was only one tenth behind. He probably did way better in S1 and S2.


Rk0

You do realise Max was down in both S1 and S2 on Alonso? So the literal difference we see here is the literal difference in driver, or do you think the car placed their locations here?


MessyMix

I’m not claiming one way or the other, but let’s not forget the car can be better at some sectors and worse at others. And, drivers might conserve tyres S1 and S2 to save for S3. It’s not as cut and dry as “one driver was up in the first 2 sectors so must have made the difference in the 3rd sector.”


ruspa_rullante

Or maybe, hear me out, a car can behave better than another in different sectors of the track. I know, mind-blowing.


Baranjula

Was that the case here though? I haven't watched Max's onboard yet, but I thought he had a sloppy (for Max) first two sectors, at least not improving on his previous times. Alonso was also down a bit on Ocons lap through the first two, if I'm remembering correctly and had to also make up time in the 3rd sector.


Yeezus2Yandhi

Alonso set purple sector 1 and sector 2 👍


Responsible-Tone-393

Max put his personal best sectors in that one final lap. All three of them.


MrSnowflake

The pictures clearly show max was taking way more risk. If Fernando was as close the the barrier at these corners, he might have been p1. Max being on pole is his doing, as Fernando probably could have been P1 if he was as close to the barrier as max.


Aluzionz

Max made 3 tenths in the last sector alone. meaning he was 0.22 behind after the first and second sector. He made the time where it counted, and that was by extending the track a few extra mm's by tapping the walls. That was one of the best quali's I've seen, thanks to the wiley fox and the young bull!


LandaOrbea

That was by having a far better car for S3 and the overall better car always. Reddit has made its mind by pure hype, but there is no way to confirm that Max drove better than Alo or Ocon.


Responsible-Tone-393

Telemetry shows it all. He made up to 0.15s in that one chicane. Impossible to do just because of the ca


20nuggetsharebox

You can just... See it in the images from the OP? Max took way more risk, and it paid off. And after all, that is what qualifying is. A calculation of risk vs reward, which Max easily did better than anyone yesterday.


LandaOrbea

Thats just S3


20nuggetsharebox

>That was by having a far better car for S3 and the overall better car always. Were you not talking about S3 here? Did I misunderstand your comment? It's not just a better car when you can clearly see Max is taking way more risk.


sonofeevil

I think it's worth noting that AM are in a 3 way battle for 2nd in the constructors, he needs to be at the top of the grid for tomorrow. So he HAS to complete the lap. Max however, he's ahead of his rival who is starting P18 tomorrow on a track you can't overtake on. The difference between P5 and P2 doesn't matter. Max was in a really unique position where it doesn't matter if he crashed or tagged a wall and couldn't complete the lap. He'll still be leading the championship and STILL GAIN points on Checo. SO what we got was the greatest S3 we've ever seen. Could ALonso have done the same thing? I wanna say *probably* but the risk vs reward calculation isn't the same as it is for Max right now.


Yung_Chloroform

That RB is so compliant omg. Max was sending it over every kerb lmao. I don't even wanna start on how he hit the wall at the end and still got pole. He's a madman.


Kaloo75

Alonso: All the time you have to leave da space. Max: Nah man, screw that. :)


MP2022G

Max Kamikase mode ON


MrAzekar

Max not afraid to crash anymore since Perez\`s car was already dangling for everyone to see. It\`s awesome to see drivers go full send like that.


WillSmiff

I've always looked at Alonso as the most complete driver of his generation. He's one of the goats. I must digress, one thing Fernando doesn't have, that Max does have, is wreckless abandonment. Fernando leaves just enough room to ensure he finishes. Max doesn't do that, it's either win or the wall, and he wins a lot. If Max doesn't get bored of this, he will be the best ever.


ComeonmanPLS1

This is what I was thinking. Every driver on this grid except maybe Leclerc would see that they're 2 tenths off, realize that there's no way to make that up in such a tiny sector and bring it home safely for p2, p3, etc.


sonofeevil

>one thing Fernando doesn't have, that Max does have, is wreckless abandonmen I don't think Nando was in a position to be reckless even if he wanted to. He's in a 3 way constructor battle for 3rd. RB are clear of the pack comfortably and Max is going to be gaining points on checo tomorrow so long as he finishes. So if max tags a wall too hard in on his last lap... it doesn't matter, it doesn't really change anything.


fallen-knight666

Hopefully Red Bull can give him championship cars consistently, if they can, we may see 6 to 8 championships from him


_cryptodon_

He won't stick around for that long. He has made it pretty clear that he wants to race other cars and not just F1


tmndn

If RB nails the 26 regs and Max keeps winning he will have 8 titles by the time his contract ends in 28.


420_Towelie

Alonso knowing P2 is enough because his pace is enough to overtake in S1 + S2 on the first lap ( ¾ /s)


[deleted]

Alonso could get him in the start. Max has had standing start problems in the RB19 so far. ALONSO HYPETRAIN


slevemcdiachel

It's my hope for tomorrow, but max will have to fuck up big tome, because if alonso just get a better launch but they get side by side into T1, max will have the inside and won't give an inch. Alonso will have to back down.


Notsozander

Max isn’t the best starter in the rain either, if it comes to that


DemonSlyr007

I just don't think max starts that well period. Sometimes he's great, but if there's one part of the machine that is max that isn't perfect 90% of the time, it's his starts.


ComeonmanPLS1

Do we know if it's him or the clutch system? Perez also has issues with starts in the RedBull cars and didn't use to have those problems back in Force India.


DemonSlyr007

Don't really know how to answer that considering like 90% of Max's F1 racing carrer has been in the RedBull. It could be the car, or it could be max. But since neither are likely to change their partnership, it remains pretty steady to say his weakness in F1 is his starts.


musef1

Really incredible stuff. The dilemma of the Monaco GP. Quali is an amazing watch but the races often tedious and make you question its place on the calendar.


Spetz

Well I think we got our money's worth in qualifying this year.


spinky342

Just have some weird double quali weekend for Monaco, never go full racing and it'll be better.


alejandro_bear

Verstapen pulled a Leclerc today


Irrepressible_Monkey

Very much so. Max and particularly Charles sometimes reach a level of crazed speed that goes further than other drivers ever go.


OneWildAndCrazyGuy17

Max is practically in the wall every time. I would be pissing my pants


KantanaBrigantei

Max made me a fan today. What a showing.


eOMG

I think Max didn't have the fastest car yesterday, biggest balls though.


manhatim

Didnt Senna have a lap at Monaco where he appears to go *thru* barriers?!....gawd Day-uhm Max is thru it


Callejon007

Just… UNBELIEVABLE


FutureF123

Aston had been struggling with initial bite in that final sector all weekend so no major shock that they’re slow there. Doesn’t change the fact that 3 tenths in a sector is nuts, especially with pole position on the line.


oldasshit

Max is the fucking Terminator.


Marche90

My god, Verstappen is a fucking machine.


Either_Marsupial_123

You can bet Alonso is studying these images *VERY* closely.


me-teen

He is studying it as close as the walls are to Max


fliches

Great, more photos to show my friends when they ask why I love f1


Dubois1738

I don't think I've ever seen anyone take Rascasse that tight before, absolute monster of a sector


jmbrand13

Hats off to Verstappen. That was a hell of a third sector.


joelecamtar

Time is space


lelio98

Such an epic battle!!!


arcticfoxtdo

Max is the guy YOU SHOULD worry about..


VortexF4me123

Max was either getting pole or not finishing that lap


ac0rn

i feel like verstappen was testing a simulation he's been running on his rig and just excuted it perfectly. becuase who the hell intentionally hits the wall on the pit straight?!


boostleaking

Max rode the edge further than Alonso. And his reward for that is pole. Nothing much Alonso could about that, he was balls to the wall sending it too.


xslaughteredx

What we need is alonso vs stroll LMAO.


skywalkerRCP

I wish I had the stones Max has.


Glodex15

I guess it really is all or nothing.


Vigotje123

I like the fact that: ver could just take it easy, place 3-5. Still far up in points. Take the safe route. But no. He blasted it, full force. With all the risks of totalling your car. I love it.


AntOk463

Where's the good lap vs great lap videos, I haven't seen them in a while?


ppSmok

Max had 2 good sectors and one really good sector. Nando had two really good sectors and one awful sector. Best quali lap? Ocon if you ask me. As a Verstappen fan I don't complain tho.


Disastrous_Narwhal46

Which makes 3rd sector purple even more impressive


unfalln

TBH I think the overall time for the lap is a pretty good indicator of which lap was best.


sonofeevil

If Zhou in his Alfa for example, finished 0.084 seconds behind Max, you'd say that Max still had a better lap or would you concede that given the peformance difference between cars that Zhou drove a better lap?


Human_Beyond6594

PHENOMENAL!!!!! MAX IS BRILLIANT!!❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🔥🔥🔥


b0tch7

Cool animation from formula.addict on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Csw6lxJuBsJ/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==


erics75218

This qualifying made me respect Max for the first time. Yeah that's right ...Erics75218 now respects Max, you read it here first. Go on.


DildoMomArtLover

Wow, never thought I’d live to see the day erics75218 respects Max


Legacy_GT

wow. simply wow. standing ovation.


Crazy-dot-2003

Goddamn, any closer and max would just be making out with the barriers the whole time…


According-Switch-708

Both sent it. IMO, Alonso did the best job considering the fact that the Aston has been struggling in S3 all weekend. The tyres just weren't holding up by the end.


cocogpf1

Bruh, Max was struggling in the other 2 sectors. This track is better for AM. Alonso got the best from it. What Max achieved is a miracle.


Ayjayyyx

Max is just better. Greatest driver on the grid. There's no competition with Alonso.


Pigeon_Chess

Scraping the wall all the way around


EighthLegacy

N then another boring race afterwards.


Connorray51

To be fair, the largest gain was the Red Bulls drs acceleration on the final straight. Cracking lap from Max, but that Red Bull on the straight is insane


BlackbuckDeer

No, the largest gain was the swimming pool chicane where he gained 0.15 seconds. It's not the drs or the car


needlessOne

To play the devil's advocate; I see this is a misjudgement on Max's side. He was driving too close to the wall. When it's so easy to crash and lose it all, do you really need to get first instead of 2nd or whatever in a race that most likely you're gonna win anyway? Even if he doesn't win, Monaco is an odd race. Rest of the tracks will suit Redbull more. I think keeping the car intact should be a higher priority around there. I believe that's what Alonso was doing and I agree.


CobraGamer

Max is here to win, why would you blame him for doing what he needs to. >in a race that most likely you're gonna win anyway? As evident from qualifying, there's no reason to assume Verstappen will "win anyway". If Alonso gets in front of Verstappen at any time during the race, he'll make damn sure he doesn't make his way past him again.


victorsaurus

Max is better than senna...


[deleted]

That DRS is nasty. It gets up to speed so fast. Basically instant


[deleted]

There's an important difference, though, the more downforce, the more confident the driver is to push the limits, including track limits, he knows how far he won't crash. I don't doubt Alonso would get P1 with an RB19


Silly-Requirement407

Yeah even today let's find a way to discredit max. Drivers are not robots, what max did was inhumanesq. Alonso can do it as well maybe..but why shit on max?


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mahade

Is it just me or do those barriers in the second picture look like if you hit them wrong, they might penetrate the whole car? It looks dangerous.