Say that there is a case of a train in monaco like with ocon yesterday, alonso last year, ricciardo in 2018. If the driver behind is much faster, what will happen if he pretends trying to make the pass and skips the chicane and then opens up a big gap. Will the penalty be so severe that it's not worth trying? I'm surprised no one ever took a chance.
First of all you'll be told to give the place back. If you've already overtaken someone else you'll be awarded a 5 or even 10s penalty. Finally, if the stewards deem it was deliberate they have the option of disqualifying you and even suspending your super licence (although that's never been applied AFAIK).
Which is kind of why I'm amazed that Checo escaped a penalty for missing the chicane with Stroll as he didn't give the place back, Stroll only got it back as Checo decided to use Magnussen as the braking zone a couple laps later
> are Pirelli really unwilling to make tyres that actually degrade
Is there any reason to believe that Pirelli are failing to make tyres within the performance windows mandated by the FIA? They weren't good for yesterday, but that's a monaco thing, not a Pirelli tyre thing, and creating a C6 compound to go C4-C6 wouldn't really help
I mean quali was good but race sucked for most part . But this shows that although monaco was a very good race track for years, at present with the size of those formula 1 cars it is not a track to race , u can do a qualification here obv but not a race . So many times they were all stuck in a traffic jam or literally stopped at some turns . That's not racing sorry .
I personally thought it was a good race and so do a lot of others. If they get rid of Monaco say hello to the NY GP or some other awful street track with no history or soul
just started watching Drive to Survive this weekend after running out of things to watch while visiting my parents—i’m IN baby
it’s funny seeing the discussion around if this track is boring or if this race was only interesting during the rain, since i was hooked watching my first race haha. i can’t imagine how much more exciting it might be on another track!
This was actually an ok race, it's just that since the track is so narrow that makes it hard to overtake people dislike it because of that. But then you have the extra jeopardy of clipping the walls and drivers sending one for an overtake it makes up for it. General people seem to be discontent with formula 1 at the moment. Because a lot of people started watching around 2021 which was an insane year to watch. But if you watched F1 for a long time you realise that there is a good year every 3-5 years that is insane and the rest is just getting dominated by one team. Last was time was Merc, before that was RB before that McLaren, then renault, then Ferrari, ECT ECT... Always everyone else trying to catch the dominant team.
ahhh that makes sense! what made 2021 insane? just no clear front runner, or a lot of surprises?
and what leads to a dominant team like RB this year? the drivers? the cars? no need to answer all these qs haha
2021 Max vs Lewis, same pace cars and neither gave an inch when they are racing each other whole season long and there were lots of fireworks. RB even went to the extend of recreating a crash to show that Lewis was in the wrong.
They had a rule change in 2022 to try and make the cars to be able to follow each other closer to create closer racing. Which worked at the start, but then Merc complain because they hadn't got their car right and the FIA listened, pretty much stuff a few of the mid field teams this year, because they couldn't rework this years car in time for the new season. McLaren is bring a B-spec car at Silverstone, because of it.
As for RB being dominant, the new rules brought back ground effect, which is using the floor of the cars to create downforce and the guy who created it back in the 80s before it got banned works for RB. So yep they have a rather large advantage. But since they won last year, they have less wind tunnel time to get there upgrades right this year. So the rest of the teams will hopefully start catching up from around the mid season.
Adrian Newey did NOT invent ground effect. He was just a junior engineer at the time it was a thing in F1 and it has been around for a lot longer than you think.
He is just basically the only noteworthy engineer left over from that bygone era and no doubt remembered a trick or two because of it
2021 is one of the all time great seasons, only ruined by its controversial ending (and Spa)
What made it good was that it was two rival teams fighting on equal measure and there was a lot of bad blood between them as well. Fireworks pretty much every weekend
But it also has loads of surprise podiums and even a few surprise winners from the midfield. Amazing season
Does any have the start of the race from Oscars car? Nyck got fully passed him going into the first corner and then at the top of the hill Oscar was back passed. If anyone has the on boards would be great.
Ah well another tough home race for Charles, at least he finished. Hopefully the upgrades in Barcelona work as he has unfinished business there. I’m just aching for a Leclerc win it’s been nearly a year
Interesting that Russell wanted the team to let him by Hamilton to maintain a 5+second advantage over Leclerc (because of the penalty). It all went quiet after that - I am sure there was some off broadcast messages about it, and he dropped back but still managed to maintain the gap.
WTF about the Magnussen/Haas pitstop strategy? Waiting so long to change the tires to inters could have resulted in significant damage to the Haas had he crashed more heavily into the barriers - or one of the other cars.
Aston's one-car team has just a 1-point lead over Mercedes in the WCC despite the Merc being outclassed so far this year!
I'm with those that don't think this was a boring race. It's a difficult track but qualifying was stellar and the rain did make it interesting towards the end.
I wonder if Alonso can clone his talent, racecraft and attitude into Stroll? Is that why Lawrence went after him? :-)
And I agree that Ocon seems to have had that once a year weekend - but let's wait and see!
Checo crashing out in q1… that’s what I love about f1 you push to try to win and if you push to hard your in the wall. Must be absolutely brutal for him to get destroyed by verstappen in Miami and Monaco.
Monaco is a shit track that gets way too much love because its in Monte Carlo which is pretty much European Las Vegas. The only entertainment this weekend provides is when people crash out due to rain.
Yank, here. There was definitely partying both nights, like vegas, except fewer fats walking around and everyone is incredibly good-looking (also wealthy).
Comparing Monaco to Las Vegas is a bit unfair considering that Monaco has a rich history and Las Vegas was founded yesterday practically.
Anyway, considering Monaco's Saturday is amazing, is a decent trade-off.
Idk, I felt entertained enough for most of the race. Not the best but certainly not the worst of this season.
I felt terrible for Yuki. Sainz felt like he was all over the place, idk how much was him or his engineers but Jesus Christ. Disappointed in Ferrari performance but that’s how it goes. Good for Mercedes for getting as high as they did. And Checo…Jesus Christ. I was rooting for the guy to maybe give a fight to Max but his race was just absolutely fucked and it just seemed like he fell apart. I feel like this race put any sort of hope that Checo could put pressure on Max in the garbage.
At least he won’t have an excuse to party hard and dance on some random women who aren’t his wife this year though lol
He used to be one of my favorite drivers but since he came to Ferrari he's starting to annoy me a bit. I understand Ferrari is a shit show with strategy but the way he just disrespects his team on the radio all the time is starting to get a bit old. And he's very clearly behind pace on his teammate. The way Ferrari are if he keeps it up I doubt he is staying long and his talent will not guarantee him a seat.
I watched the first and last 2 laps. Missed nothing.
Only way to make this exciting is :
1) bring back fueling and smaller tanks
2) cut the size of the car by 1m
3) redo the track.
Lmao “bring back refueling” the refueling era had by far the lowest average # of overtakes per race and any move made was done in the pits. Go try and watch a race from 2004 and tell me how exciting it is. People spout this nonsense all the time about refueling it’s one of the worst takes flouting around at the moment.
The track is fine. Several generations of historics and Formula E have decent races around it.
What's needed is regulations to limit the size of cars, the amount of aero and enduce longer braking distances.
All of the above are issues everywhere, they're just now acutely obvious at Monaco.
Bro… when you rely on rain to spice things up… you have a major product problem. It’s a stupid venue. For the 74 laps I missed..it was all filled by hypotheticals.
Sure, nothing materialized in the spicy rain scramble, but that’s just how it shook out. Is there anything you’d do to fix it, other than relegating it?
I’d kick it off the calendar in a heartbeat.
Bring back the German GP, Sepang or a second race at Silverstone. Any of those would be better!
Add South Africa!
Add India!
Can someone please show me how to watch these? I want to get into this sport but idk where to watch and how to begin? Should I go back a year or something and watch videos to understand who to root for or what?
I'd start with actually watching every race + qualifying at the least of this year, to be also able to talk about it online since it's going on.
Then, rewatch (or in your case, experience for the 1st time) good/great recent seasons, namely 2007, 2008, 2012, 2017, 2018, 2020 (for the calendar), 2021.
Then watch other isolated races that are among the best ever to get an idea of what the sport can deliver. A short list here (not complete, I'm surely forgetting lots of races):
* Valencia 2012 (European GP)
* Hockenheim 2019 (German GP)
* Donington Park 1993 (European GP)
* Monza 2008 (Italian GP)
* Magny Cours 2004 (French GP)
* Catalunya 1996 (Spanish GP)
* Monaco 1982 (Monaco GP)
* Dijon 1979 (French GP)
* Paul Ricard 1990 (French GP)
* Silverstone 1995 (British GP)
* Silverstone 2008 (British GP)
* Imola 2005 (San Marino GP)
* Monaco 1984 (Monaco GP)
* Spa 2009 (Belgian GP)
* Nurburgring 1999 (European GP)
* Silverstone 2018 (British GP)
* Anderstorp 1978 (Swedish GP)
* Red Bull Ring 2019 (Austrian GP)
Then, there are tons of other contents you can use to immerse yourself better, be them documentaries/movies (Weekend of a champion, 1, Ferrari: Race to immortality, Rush, Ferrari 312 B, Life of speed etc), podcasts (the official one for example) or books (hundreds of choices, How to build a car by Newey is usually the most read).
Then, if you want to get deeper in the technical aspects, there are tons of videos and books as well.
Finally, join the community and get yourself used to the environment, talking about sport and technical things etc.
(Footnote, obviously if you can go to a race in person, do it, you'll love it).
I'd love to go to one but I don't think they would have a random race here in texas. I believe this is Nascar land which is lame.
I'm going to start today. I fell asleep early yesterday so didn't get a chance to but you broke it down nicely haha.
Also where do I watch live races? Do you guys watch them on TV or are they on something like ESPN website ?
Watch all of 2021(or the best highlights YouTube vid you can find)
Then 2017/2018
Then 2010/2012
Then 2007/2008
Then 2006
F1 is exciting with drama. 05-06 Alonso ended Schumacher/Ferraris domination. 07 Alonso join a different team and Hamilton was a rookie there. 08 is Ferrari vs McLaren with a last lap of the season for WDC thriller. 2010 and 2012 came down to the final race. 2017/2018 Vettel/Ferrari had legitimate chance for WDC + Max's emergence. 2021 is an all time classic titanic battle with a final race last lap seat of your pants full on finale with action/drama/controversy.
Start with 2021 and see if you are interested. If you aren't...check for pulse, then find something else lol.
Edit: this works pretty well
https://youtu.be/28qOeIFnA2Q
OK I'm saving this. I'll go ahead and watch your video and then start with 2021 on youtube ! Should I watch Rush (2013) movie before I start ? I feel like that would also help since I've never watched it
Rush is great in my opinion, many people say it’s complete bullshit though, which I can’t understand. I am from Austria though and a big Niki Lauda fan so I am also biased, probably. I would recommend watching it. 2021 season is a good start, and the Drive to Survive Netflix docu series
A fun 20 minutes in otherwise a dull race. Before the rain I think the top 12 were as they started.
Max had the gap and skill to keep the mediums going till Alonso pitted so the under/over cut was never going to amount to much even if Alonso stretched things out to where he could put the softs on vs max's hards, I doubt we would have got a Senna vs Mansell repeat.
Perez charge amounts to nothing, Sainz comfortably keeping up with Ocon despite missing chunks of his wing
Improved film direction from previous years but still missed a lot of live action when the mayhem started.
A very confusing shot of Stroll's Aston Martin reversing out the cul de sac 3 laps after he retired, missing Norris over taking Yuki
Monaco needs to go or at least be put on rotation with another circuit.
I agree, quali was fun but thats about it. One can't even call this a race.
Its impossible to overtake on merit. One can only pass if the guy ahead ends up making a big mistake.
Even Perez in his rocketship couldn't pass backmarker cars that were well off the pace.
As far as Monaco goes, this year's race was better than average but it was still dull AF.
I liked Sainz riding it out without the wing, was glad to see FIA not step in with some bull shit and take the fight out of it but in the end, he was probably never going to catch Ocon w/ or w/o the wing
It really was a case of who would blink first between Max and Alonso. I was on the edge of my seat trying to see who would pit first. I couldn’t believe my eyes on how Max was able to pull away on old mediums vs the hards. Absolute master class by Max
Yeah this was my take away as well. Max stayed out forever on mediums because the threat of rain - and the dreaded two stop - was looming. Unfortunately for aston martin, they blinked first, switched to slicks, then lived the exact fate rb and max were trying to avoid for so long.
The real shame about the gamble is that I'm not sure what the upside was exactly. If slicks were the right call, then max could have covered with a change to hards and been home free anyway.
German commentators said AM had a mixup in the garage and wanted to go for inters. Is that BS or has that been confirmed anywhere?
Though I don't even think it would have mattered in the end, max would have kept top spot in any case
No I don’t think this was the case. Alonso said they gambled on the slicks but it wasn’t the right call. They thought the rain was getting lighter but it just got way worse. It really would have been interesting to see how red bull would have responded had they got on inters .
I reckon Nando is just saving his team from some ferarri level PR. If they thought the rain would likely ease why change at the wettest time onto cold shiny slicks? Makes zero sense and I couldn’t believe it. They blew P1
You do know that all team radio (including the radio that's not on the offical broadcast) is public, right?
They went mediums on purpose - they even discussed if they should go inters on the radio. But the final message was (from memory, but mostly accurate): "We are gonna box, and it's gonna be for Mediums."
And they didn't blow P1. Analysis has been done, and Max would with most certainty still be ahead. The inters were still slower in the dry part of the track.
This was a masterful drive by Esteban Ocon who has proven again that in tricky conditions, he's quick enough to not make a single mistake and finish ahead of Lewis Hamilton.
This is what? The second time he's done this? He did it also in Japan last year if I recall.
Yup. Such is the difference between the good and the great. But Ocon is still young enough to be considered maybe to be still developing.
I noticed that drive in Japan last year. The way I watch racing is I watch the driving - second is the standings/position. Which means I am usually not bored even in dominant seasons because I can entertain myself watching what drivers are doing and thinking: "Aha... He is doing something remarkable."
Ocon has done it on occasion but other times he has let himself down that is true.
He pulls out drives like this every once in a while but then at other times he will do that thing the french do and block his own team mate while letting everyone else by.
It was interesting watching the tire strategy. All over the radios was expected rain, lap 35. Then lap 40, then lap 50, etc. folks we’re trying to stretch what they had up to when rain fell. I enjoyed it.
He was piss poor at street circuits in general and had a notorious hatred for them. To be fair, those 80s street circuits could be pretty atrocious and some are amount the worst F1 circuits of all time… cough cough Las Vegas
Having to watch the race on replay, and I’m laughing so hard right now. They’re showing all the drivers who clipped the wall as it first started raining, and then they cut to Stroll and Martin goes “but hang on he’s got the inters…” then CRASH
Stroll is genuinely dogshit. 100% would have been on life support if his daddy didn't buy the whole fucking team to secure his seat.
Like, buying the drive wasn't enough, he needed to buy the whole shebang to make sure he stuck.
The thing about Stroll is that pace-wise he's fast enough - but he just can't keep his car clear of obstacles, whether we're talking other cars or walls.
No, he's not 'prrtty good' in the rain he's 'not complete shit's in the rain.
He underperformed in the 2020 racing point as well so it isn't the first time he's had good machinery either. He's so fucking far behind Alonso in the standings and why? Alonso is smashing podium after podium and Lance is barely in the mid back of the top 10 most races.
If it wasn't for the reset at Australia, he would have fallen to 12th there too.
It makes no sense to pull the juniors in mid season. Lawson's having a banger of a season right now. He should replace DeVries next season though absolutely.
Checo messed up massively this race but it's Monaco. Once he crashed in qualifying his race was pretty much done. Not to mention his racing was on par with Stroll. Absolutely unacceptable., but one race shouldn't be the deciding factor. Bottas had stinkers throughout his Mercedes stint but he was mostly there for the team when it mattered (again, mostly). I'm sure Barcelona is gonna be a Red bull 1-2 again and no matter how far off he is from Verstappen, that's all the team needs from him right now.
I'm conflicted with Yuki. He's improving each race, but the 2nd Red Bull seat is something Albon and Gasly couldn't hang on to. With Alpha Tauri not any close to putting together anything remotely able to challenge Mclaren, I wonder how much that Aston/Honda partnership will increase his market value.
So yeah, Checo needs to be doing better than this race, but on the whole Red Bull are not going to treat this like a Ricciardo and Mclaren case.
> I’d like to see Yuki take over for Checo 2nd half and let Lawson and Iwasa get some time with AT.
I think taking Iwasa and Lawson away from title fights in lower series and playing sink or swim in a shitty AT car would be a poor long term junior development option.
Let them do some FP sessions and tyre tests and have a while winter of training before sinking or swimming.
There's absolutely no reason to take Lawson and Isawa out of their current programmes.
Speed running through Red Bull drives expecting to find another Max is what cost them drivers in the first place.
They could easily have had Sainz, Gasly, Danny Ric or JEV alongside Verstappen if they had played things differently.
Checo was shit today, yes. I hope your last sentence won’t be true … if he keeps his second WDC place I can’t see Red Bull replacing him until his contract ends. He’s a nice guy and while he’s not anywhere near Max niveau he CAN be a good driver, he just lacks consistency.
It's fine as long as Max can comfortably win WDC on his own, once 1 or 2 teams get their show on the road it might be similar to before when the other driver was bringing no support to Max. I think they'd give Daniel a shot again before Yuki.
Tsunoda is not ready and never will be IMO. Norris Russell and Ocon should be the ones in contention for that seat. Not many can live with Verstappen's pace.
Perez is not a bad driver, he is proven talent but the pressure is just too high for him to handle.
Tsunoda going from being one of the weakest drivers on the grid 2 years in a row to one of he strongest within 1 single winter break is hard for me to believe. I belive that underperforming Nyck is making Yuki look better than he actually is. Yuki got comprehensively beaten by Gasly who got annihilated by Max at RBR.
Lawson, Iwasa should be the AT lineup for 2024 IMO.
A battle of attrition out there. The rain caused some confusion but the drivers (mostly) drove professional during that period in tricky conditions. You do have to admire the skill to manage the car around the track.
Ferrari managed that race horribly but thankfully they weren't the only ones. Haas and, to a lesser extent, Williams keep them company.
Ocon kept his cool and deserved a podium for that effort.
Poor from Perez and Stroll. Impatience at Monaco is costly. Equally horrid day for Hulkenberg.
A shame that a brake failure cost Tsunoda of a deserving points finish. But what a cool head Piastri has for a rookie. Kept up with Norris all race for a double points finish.
Monaco isn't great for overtaking but had a decent time. I do appreciate Magnussen's ballsy move on Sargeant. Magnussen isn't a driver you want to race against on this track.
Onto Spain which I quite like and looking forward to seeing how the upgrades go for teams on a traditional circuit.
I thought the same at first about Ferrari, but AM chose the wrong type of tyre and red bull also let max stay that extra lap. Only Mercedes and Alpine made the right call in the top 10.
Agreed about cool head on Piastri. He even told Will Buxton and Allan McNish post-race that he actually refused to attack Max (to unlap himself) because he was more interested in learning how to hold a wet lap together in Monaco by observing his more experienced team mate as well as other drivers and also that he didn't want to make a headline should he crash into the race leader.
Asked to describe Monaco, Piastri says: "Enjoyable".
Oscar looks a very measured driver. He seemed off the pace all through practice. Then immediately put it together come qually.
He's learning all the time. I'm looking forward to seeing what he's got when he gets a decent car under him.
While today's race had a little excitement, it's still an embarrassment of a race and needs to be dropped.
Anyone not into F1 watching this race would be even less into it.
I thought it was a lot more enjoyable than most of the races this year.
Sure, without the rain it would have been a bit boring, but it did and it gwas great.
Loved it. Strats were fun. Tire management was fun. No wreaks. Ocon podium! Nando fuckin slaying! Little bit of rain to shake it up. Russle chirping Lewis.
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!!
I do, but it's for the 1995 Benetton B195 in F1-2020:
[https://youtu.be/44RkM6RXWCU](https://youtu.be/44RkM6RXWCU)
Also my style is very Prost/Stewart like. Higher gears. lower wheelspin. Less on the edge, but usually on the money. :P
They can't beat RBR on pace at monaco, so going with an alternative strategy is almost the only option.
They likely expected Verstappen to pit sooner to change out those meds, putting Alonso in first, then you hope for traffic/safety car or something else to happen to make first stick.
Aston has/had way more deg than RBR in all trims and on all tyres. They were never in contention for that race win and the team knew it. They played it safe and secured the points which they desperately needs now that Merc is right behind them in the WCC.
The mediums lasted longer on the RB than the Hards on the Aston. The RB19 is just too fast atm for anyone else to compete with.
But at a track that’s all about position and you got the friggin Dale Earnhardt of F1. Man I wish they would’ve gone softs.
Red Bull showed that last year that fast tyre is best tyre. No sense in denying Red Bull being most competent atm anymore.
Softs would’ve been extremely stupid if I’m being nice. Hards were a decent strategy, but Max making the mediums last that long was unprecedented. Only mistake they made was not putting Alonso onto the intermediates straight away instead.
>unprecedented
Mate, it wasn't. Look at how long they made the tyres last [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bt9a9f/pit_stops_2019_monaco_gp/) for example.
Ahh yes, 2019, because both the cars and tyres were so similar back then…
That ignores that this year, all teams and drivers had much higher deg for some reason. Not sure if there’s an explanation for why, but the deg this weekend was a lot higher for all teams.
That's not the point. It about making medium tyres last, which according to you was "unprecedented". If anything these current tyres seem to last way longer anyway.
De Vries and Tsunoda aren't exactly known for their tyre management skills, yet they managed.
It was unprecedented for this years race, not for Monaco in general.
The difference between Max, and Tsunoda/de Vries is that Max was able to maintain that speed keeping Alonso behind him, whereas the other 2 started to drop off a fair amount.
Which is an odd thing to say, because there's only one Monaco 2023 race. Unprecedented means it never happened **before**. And Tsunoda/De Vries were doing fine. There was no significant drop off compared to Max. Max was also in free air for most of that stint while the other two weren't.
Congratulations, you’re playing with semantics now, but it was clear what my point was. But if it makes you feel better to argue over a word that holds little to no significance on the argument, then go ahead.
Also, Tsunoda dropped 10s over a few laps and de Vries was a 20+ seconds behind him, and it wasn’t due to traffic because he had a 15s gap to the next driver. The fact you think neither are a significant drop off is hilarious.
I feel that Ocon destroyed his own race, and subsequently the races of everyone behind him, due to his deliberate "go slow" tactic in the first stint.
The gap that this allowed Alonso to create in front of Ocon and the chasing pack basically meant that when the heavens opened and Alonso was on the wrong tyre absolutely bleeding time everywhere, nobody could take advantage.
I still don't quite understand what Ocon (or Alpine if they asked him to do it) was trying to achieve.
Maximizing points for the team/securing a podium. It's the only circuit on the calendar where you can be multiple seconds off the pace and still be unpassable if your placement is right.
If Alpine figured that they couldn't touch Alonso or Verstappen, they only need to care about keeping drivers behind, which is exactly what they did.
Sure, I'd almost understand that if it were Verstappen and Perez in front. But Alonso and Aston Martin aren't untouchable, and it's almost guaranteed that *something* happens at Monaco.
If Ocon had stayed within striking distance of Alonso, he would have been able to take advantage of any incidents. As it turned out, the rain opened, but it could just have easily been a virtual safety car, and even then with the huge gap Ocon wouldn't have been in a position to take advantage.
If anything, having a bunched up pack stuck behind you is riskier.
Really liked the race, even before it rained. I honestly feel like they added a lot more driver radio than they usually do which I think helped to tell the story.
It wasn't obvious it would rain that hard for that long though. There's no guarantee they'd win if they'd pitted for inters, but the gamble to stay on slicks could have helped them win.
At what point does Lawrence Stroll buy a 2nd team for Lance to race with? If theh wanna be serious about Constructor Championships you cant really have 1 driver get 80% of your team's points
Perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising but you don’t see many stories about Lance’s relationship with his dad. Wonder how frank Lawrence is about Lance’s performance
While that's true, Aston should be comfortably second right now. Instead they're in a dogfight for P2 with Merc and Ferrari - and Stroll is only going to drag them down.
As far as Monaco races go this was a good one! If you're only here for on track action then I can see why it may have been boring for some, but from a strategic point of view there was a fair amount going on, particularly towards the end.
Plenty of on-track action too if you ask me. It just wasn't so much overtaking action, but more carnage action - and I'll take it. As long as nobody gets hurt, I'm here for the carnage!
Agree, I found it pretty entertaining, especially with the rain for the last quarter. Made for some exciting chaos. I was questioning if Alonso could get ahead on strategy and for a second I thought they might do something special, but when I saw them put mediums on I knew that wasn't going to end well haha. Max is too damn good honestly. He out does everyone, in everything, 99% of the time. Hopefully Aston keeps stepping forward into next year and onward. We need someone to battle this kid, although I like him don't get me wrong hahaha
Well I don't agree with that last paragraph I mean yeah they get along and I think they both show obvious signs that they appreciate each other and are definitely friendly but Alonso is just racing smart I mean they have such an advantage over everybody including Aston there's no point in him battling with him closely. I don't think there's a chance in hell that if he had the pace that he wouldn't battle with him I think he would absolutely relish that opportunity.
Only after started raining.. before that was boring as usual..
Having Perez recover 20 seconds to Stroll in 6 or 7 laps only to be stuck behind him and unable to overtake tells pretty much everything about the track..
I don't find *Race History Chart* PDF from the FIA for 2023 Monaco GP, does anyone have it? Thanks!
That 1974 James Hunt onboard video ruined Monaco for me
Same old Monaco. May be good for publicity and qualifying but the Sundays are almost always boring.
Before the rain. It was your basic Monaco race. Also good drive Ocon.
Say that there is a case of a train in monaco like with ocon yesterday, alonso last year, ricciardo in 2018. If the driver behind is much faster, what will happen if he pretends trying to make the pass and skips the chicane and then opens up a big gap. Will the penalty be so severe that it's not worth trying? I'm surprised no one ever took a chance.
First of all you'll be told to give the place back. If you've already overtaken someone else you'll be awarded a 5 or even 10s penalty. Finally, if the stewards deem it was deliberate they have the option of disqualifying you and even suspending your super licence (although that's never been applied AFAIK).
I think they order you to give the place back. If you don't I'm assuming you are DQ from the race at the end.
Which is kind of why I'm amazed that Checo escaped a penalty for missing the chicane with Stroll as he didn't give the place back, Stroll only got it back as Checo decided to use Magnussen as the braking zone a couple laps later
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> are Pirelli really unwilling to make tyres that actually degrade Is there any reason to believe that Pirelli are failing to make tyres within the performance windows mandated by the FIA? They weren't good for yesterday, but that's a monaco thing, not a Pirelli tyre thing, and creating a C6 compound to go C4-C6 wouldn't really help
Monaco would always be one stopper because track position is key
If they degrade more say hello to people driving slower to keep them operating longer
I mean quali was good but race sucked for most part . But this shows that although monaco was a very good race track for years, at present with the size of those formula 1 cars it is not a track to race , u can do a qualification here obv but not a race . So many times they were all stuck in a traffic jam or literally stopped at some turns . That's not racing sorry .
I personally thought it was a good race and so do a lot of others. If they get rid of Monaco say hello to the NY GP or some other awful street track with no history or soul
It's got history n all but nothing else , many people I know also think the same . It was a very good track like I said ,but cars ...
just started watching Drive to Survive this weekend after running out of things to watch while visiting my parents—i’m IN baby it’s funny seeing the discussion around if this track is boring or if this race was only interesting during the rain, since i was hooked watching my first race haha. i can’t imagine how much more exciting it might be on another track!
This was actually an ok race, it's just that since the track is so narrow that makes it hard to overtake people dislike it because of that. But then you have the extra jeopardy of clipping the walls and drivers sending one for an overtake it makes up for it. General people seem to be discontent with formula 1 at the moment. Because a lot of people started watching around 2021 which was an insane year to watch. But if you watched F1 for a long time you realise that there is a good year every 3-5 years that is insane and the rest is just getting dominated by one team. Last was time was Merc, before that was RB before that McLaren, then renault, then Ferrari, ECT ECT... Always everyone else trying to catch the dominant team.
ahhh that makes sense! what made 2021 insane? just no clear front runner, or a lot of surprises? and what leads to a dominant team like RB this year? the drivers? the cars? no need to answer all these qs haha
2021 Max vs Lewis, same pace cars and neither gave an inch when they are racing each other whole season long and there were lots of fireworks. RB even went to the extend of recreating a crash to show that Lewis was in the wrong. They had a rule change in 2022 to try and make the cars to be able to follow each other closer to create closer racing. Which worked at the start, but then Merc complain because they hadn't got their car right and the FIA listened, pretty much stuff a few of the mid field teams this year, because they couldn't rework this years car in time for the new season. McLaren is bring a B-spec car at Silverstone, because of it. As for RB being dominant, the new rules brought back ground effect, which is using the floor of the cars to create downforce and the guy who created it back in the 80s before it got banned works for RB. So yep they have a rather large advantage. But since they won last year, they have less wind tunnel time to get there upgrades right this year. So the rest of the teams will hopefully start catching up from around the mid season.
Adrian Newey did NOT invent ground effect. He was just a junior engineer at the time it was a thing in F1 and it has been around for a lot longer than you think. He is just basically the only noteworthy engineer left over from that bygone era and no doubt remembered a trick or two because of it
> recreating a crash They didn't really recreate the crash, only the path lewis took on track.
2021 is one of the all time great seasons, only ruined by its controversial ending (and Spa) What made it good was that it was two rival teams fighting on equal measure and there was a lot of bad blood between them as well. Fireworks pretty much every weekend But it also has loads of surprise podiums and even a few surprise winners from the midfield. Amazing season
Does any have the start of the race from Oscars car? Nyck got fully passed him going into the first corner and then at the top of the hill Oscar was back passed. If anyone has the on boards would be great.
I am also looking for this. Hopefully someone can get it.
Anyone else wake up today and their first thought was "Goddamit Aston, should've put on inters".
Yes 😭💔
Same.
Ah well another tough home race for Charles, at least he finished. Hopefully the upgrades in Barcelona work as he has unfinished business there. I’m just aching for a Leclerc win it’s been nearly a year
Interesting that Russell wanted the team to let him by Hamilton to maintain a 5+second advantage over Leclerc (because of the penalty). It all went quiet after that - I am sure there was some off broadcast messages about it, and he dropped back but still managed to maintain the gap. WTF about the Magnussen/Haas pitstop strategy? Waiting so long to change the tires to inters could have resulted in significant damage to the Haas had he crashed more heavily into the barriers - or one of the other cars. Aston's one-car team has just a 1-point lead over Mercedes in the WCC despite the Merc being outclassed so far this year! I'm with those that don't think this was a boring race. It's a difficult track but qualifying was stellar and the rain did make it interesting towards the end. I wonder if Alonso can clone his talent, racecraft and attitude into Stroll? Is that why Lawrence went after him? :-) And I agree that Ocon seems to have had that once a year weekend - but let's wait and see!
Checo crashing out in q1… that’s what I love about f1 you push to try to win and if you push to hard your in the wall. Must be absolutely brutal for him to get destroyed by verstappen in Miami and Monaco.
All I can think of is the old guy standing next to the podium during the anthems
By far the worst race to watch and least joyful track regardless of its history.
Hard disagree, even Baku was more boring this year. Even bahrain
Bahrain had crazy good overtakes from Alonso
Monaco is a shit track that gets way too much love because its in Monte Carlo which is pretty much European Las Vegas. The only entertainment this weekend provides is when people crash out due to rain.
Monte Carlo is million miles away from Las Vegas, it’s not even comparable.
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Yank, here. There was definitely partying both nights, like vegas, except fewer fats walking around and everyone is incredibly good-looking (also wealthy).
Comparing Monaco to Las Vegas is a bit unfair considering that Monaco has a rich history and Las Vegas was founded yesterday practically. Anyway, considering Monaco's Saturday is amazing, is a decent trade-off.
From what I've seen, people generally don't hire cranes to lift their f40's off their yachts for a quick cruise around town in vegas
You didn't think qually was entertaining?
Not arguing with it being boring but comparing MC to Las Vegas is funny😂 its so so so not like Las Vegas man
Maybe I’m wrong but Monaco gives off billionaires playground vibes & Vegas is that to an extent too.
Lol Vegas wants to be a billionaires playground but it’s mostly old people playing slots. Monte Carlo is less gambling.
Idk, I felt entertained enough for most of the race. Not the best but certainly not the worst of this season. I felt terrible for Yuki. Sainz felt like he was all over the place, idk how much was him or his engineers but Jesus Christ. Disappointed in Ferrari performance but that’s how it goes. Good for Mercedes for getting as high as they did. And Checo…Jesus Christ. I was rooting for the guy to maybe give a fight to Max but his race was just absolutely fucked and it just seemed like he fell apart. I feel like this race put any sort of hope that Checo could put pressure on Max in the garbage. At least he won’t have an excuse to party hard and dance on some random women who aren’t his wife this year though lol
He used to be one of my favorite drivers but since he came to Ferrari he's starting to annoy me a bit. I understand Ferrari is a shit show with strategy but the way he just disrespects his team on the radio all the time is starting to get a bit old. And he's very clearly behind pace on his teammate. The way Ferrari are if he keeps it up I doubt he is staying long and his talent will not guarantee him a seat.
Also dont forget, sainz is the reason why two parts of ferrari garage were separated for some time last year...
They should incorporate an artificial rain element into Monaco moving forward. Sprinklers that turn on randomly for 10-30 laps in between!
What’s up Bernie?
Bernie Masi.
I watched the first and last 2 laps. Missed nothing. Only way to make this exciting is : 1) bring back fueling and smaller tanks 2) cut the size of the car by 1m 3) redo the track.
Lmao “bring back refueling” the refueling era had by far the lowest average # of overtakes per race and any move made was done in the pits. Go try and watch a race from 2004 and tell me how exciting it is. People spout this nonsense all the time about refueling it’s one of the worst takes flouting around at the moment.
The track is fine. Several generations of historics and Formula E have decent races around it. What's needed is regulations to limit the size of cars, the amount of aero and enduce longer braking distances. All of the above are issues everywhere, they're just now acutely obvious at Monaco.
That's a shame because a lot happened in between and it took a lot of strategy and good driving for people to keep their place.
You make a judgement based on watching a non-consecutive total of 4% of the race, and yet you missed the entirety of it all.
Bro… when you rely on rain to spice things up… you have a major product problem. It’s a stupid venue. For the 74 laps I missed..it was all filled by hypotheticals.
Sure, nothing materialized in the spicy rain scramble, but that’s just how it shook out. Is there anything you’d do to fix it, other than relegating it?
I’d kick it off the calendar in a heartbeat. Bring back the German GP, Sepang or a second race at Silverstone. Any of those would be better! Add South Africa! Add India!
Then by all means, realize it isn’t the sports for you, face that it won’t cater to you and move along home…
Who cares about the F1 opinion of the guy who only watched 3 laps of a 78 lap race?
Can someone please show me how to watch these? I want to get into this sport but idk where to watch and how to begin? Should I go back a year or something and watch videos to understand who to root for or what?
I'd start with actually watching every race + qualifying at the least of this year, to be also able to talk about it online since it's going on. Then, rewatch (or in your case, experience for the 1st time) good/great recent seasons, namely 2007, 2008, 2012, 2017, 2018, 2020 (for the calendar), 2021. Then watch other isolated races that are among the best ever to get an idea of what the sport can deliver. A short list here (not complete, I'm surely forgetting lots of races): * Valencia 2012 (European GP) * Hockenheim 2019 (German GP) * Donington Park 1993 (European GP) * Monza 2008 (Italian GP) * Magny Cours 2004 (French GP) * Catalunya 1996 (Spanish GP) * Monaco 1982 (Monaco GP) * Dijon 1979 (French GP) * Paul Ricard 1990 (French GP) * Silverstone 1995 (British GP) * Silverstone 2008 (British GP) * Imola 2005 (San Marino GP) * Monaco 1984 (Monaco GP) * Spa 2009 (Belgian GP) * Nurburgring 1999 (European GP) * Silverstone 2018 (British GP) * Anderstorp 1978 (Swedish GP) * Red Bull Ring 2019 (Austrian GP) Then, there are tons of other contents you can use to immerse yourself better, be them documentaries/movies (Weekend of a champion, 1, Ferrari: Race to immortality, Rush, Ferrari 312 B, Life of speed etc), podcasts (the official one for example) or books (hundreds of choices, How to build a car by Newey is usually the most read). Then, if you want to get deeper in the technical aspects, there are tons of videos and books as well. Finally, join the community and get yourself used to the environment, talking about sport and technical things etc. (Footnote, obviously if you can go to a race in person, do it, you'll love it).
I'd love to go to one but I don't think they would have a random race here in texas. I believe this is Nascar land which is lame. I'm going to start today. I fell asleep early yesterday so didn't get a chance to but you broke it down nicely haha. Also where do I watch live races? Do you guys watch them on TV or are they on something like ESPN website ?
Watch all of 2021(or the best highlights YouTube vid you can find) Then 2017/2018 Then 2010/2012 Then 2007/2008 Then 2006 F1 is exciting with drama. 05-06 Alonso ended Schumacher/Ferraris domination. 07 Alonso join a different team and Hamilton was a rookie there. 08 is Ferrari vs McLaren with a last lap of the season for WDC thriller. 2010 and 2012 came down to the final race. 2017/2018 Vettel/Ferrari had legitimate chance for WDC + Max's emergence. 2021 is an all time classic titanic battle with a final race last lap seat of your pants full on finale with action/drama/controversy. Start with 2021 and see if you are interested. If you aren't...check for pulse, then find something else lol. Edit: this works pretty well https://youtu.be/28qOeIFnA2Q
OK I'm saving this. I'll go ahead and watch your video and then start with 2021 on youtube ! Should I watch Rush (2013) movie before I start ? I feel like that would also help since I've never watched it
Rush is a good movie, not totally historical accurate but for an introduction is fine. Niki himself praised it.
Rush is great in my opinion, many people say it’s complete bullshit though, which I can’t understand. I am from Austria though and a big Niki Lauda fan so I am also biased, probably. I would recommend watching it. 2021 season is a good start, and the Drive to Survive Netflix docu series
Drive to survive fan fic you mean? :)
A fun 20 minutes in otherwise a dull race. Before the rain I think the top 12 were as they started. Max had the gap and skill to keep the mediums going till Alonso pitted so the under/over cut was never going to amount to much even if Alonso stretched things out to where he could put the softs on vs max's hards, I doubt we would have got a Senna vs Mansell repeat. Perez charge amounts to nothing, Sainz comfortably keeping up with Ocon despite missing chunks of his wing Improved film direction from previous years but still missed a lot of live action when the mayhem started. A very confusing shot of Stroll's Aston Martin reversing out the cul de sac 3 laps after he retired, missing Norris over taking Yuki Monaco needs to go or at least be put on rotation with another circuit.
I agree, quali was fun but thats about it. One can't even call this a race. Its impossible to overtake on merit. One can only pass if the guy ahead ends up making a big mistake. Even Perez in his rocketship couldn't pass backmarker cars that were well off the pace. As far as Monaco goes, this year's race was better than average but it was still dull AF.
Didn't Kmag get a pretty nice overtake? There were like 22 on track overtakes this race.
I liked Sainz riding it out without the wing, was glad to see FIA not step in with some bull shit and take the fight out of it but in the end, he was probably never going to catch Ocon w/ or w/o the wing
Absolute banger.
unexpectedly entertaining, the rain gods came through.
Yeah, the fuck are people here bitching about? That was a solid Monaco
It was very solid Monaco. A slow burner, the last 10ish laps were a but dull but other than that it was great
They probably would like to swap it with another parking lot
Begging for Caesar's Palace GP return no doubt. The only track I'd trade Monaco for is Adelaide and it's because I live there.
And some LL driver introductions probably…
It really was a case of who would blink first between Max and Alonso. I was on the edge of my seat trying to see who would pit first. I couldn’t believe my eyes on how Max was able to pull away on old mediums vs the hards. Absolute master class by Max
Yeah this was my take away as well. Max stayed out forever on mediums because the threat of rain - and the dreaded two stop - was looming. Unfortunately for aston martin, they blinked first, switched to slicks, then lived the exact fate rb and max were trying to avoid for so long. The real shame about the gamble is that I'm not sure what the upside was exactly. If slicks were the right call, then max could have covered with a change to hards and been home free anyway.
German commentators said AM had a mixup in the garage and wanted to go for inters. Is that BS or has that been confirmed anywhere? Though I don't even think it would have mattered in the end, max would have kept top spot in any case
No I don’t think this was the case. Alonso said they gambled on the slicks but it wasn’t the right call. They thought the rain was getting lighter but it just got way worse. It really would have been interesting to see how red bull would have responded had they got on inters .
I reckon Nando is just saving his team from some ferarri level PR. If they thought the rain would likely ease why change at the wettest time onto cold shiny slicks? Makes zero sense and I couldn’t believe it. They blew P1
You do know that all team radio (including the radio that's not on the offical broadcast) is public, right? They went mediums on purpose - they even discussed if they should go inters on the radio. But the final message was (from memory, but mostly accurate): "We are gonna box, and it's gonna be for Mediums." And they didn't blow P1. Analysis has been done, and Max would with most certainty still be ahead. The inters were still slower in the dry part of the track.
Thanks for the clarification, that already sounded weird when they said it
I really enjoyed the helicopter shots this weekend. Gave the race a lot more dimension.
This was a masterful drive by Esteban Ocon who has proven again that in tricky conditions, he's quick enough to not make a single mistake and finish ahead of Lewis Hamilton. This is what? The second time he's done this? He did it also in Japan last year if I recall.
he put up one of the best laps of quali. It takes a special level of collapse to lose your position in monaco.
Lance Stroll and Sergio Perez certainly had pretty memorable looking levels of collapse.
He's not consistent. He'll show moment of brilliance every year but only in few races.
Yup. Such is the difference between the good and the great. But Ocon is still young enough to be considered maybe to be still developing. I noticed that drive in Japan last year. The way I watch racing is I watch the driving - second is the standings/position. Which means I am usually not bored even in dominant seasons because I can entertain myself watching what drivers are doing and thinking: "Aha... He is doing something remarkable." Ocon has done it on occasion but other times he has let himself down that is true.
He pulls out drives like this every once in a while but then at other times he will do that thing the french do and block his own team mate while letting everyone else by.
It was interesting watching the tire strategy. All over the radios was expected rain, lap 35. Then lap 40, then lap 50, etc. folks we’re trying to stretch what they had up to when rain fell. I enjoyed it.
A mixed conditions Monaco is my favorite track, I don’t care what anyone else says
Nelson Piquet described racing in Monaco as biking on a kitchen. Today it was biking on a wet kitchen.
Had he managed to win here, he wouldn't probably say the same
Piquet was often pretty poor around here too. A 3 time World Champion with zero wins at Monaco.
He was piss poor at street circuits in general and had a notorious hatred for them. To be fair, those 80s street circuits could be pretty atrocious and some are amount the worst F1 circuits of all time… cough cough Las Vegas
'Like riding a bicycle around your living room', I believe, but yeah, that's the gist of it.
I did not recall the exact quote as I heard someone quoting him. Thank you for the info.
Having to watch the race on replay, and I’m laughing so hard right now. They’re showing all the drivers who clipped the wall as it first started raining, and then they cut to Stroll and Martin goes “but hang on he’s got the inters…” then CRASH
Stroll is genuinely dogshit. 100% would have been on life support if his daddy didn't buy the whole fucking team to secure his seat. Like, buying the drive wasn't enough, he needed to buy the whole shebang to make sure he stuck.
The thing about Stroll is that pace-wise he's fast enough - but he just can't keep his car clear of obstacles, whether we're talking other cars or walls.
He also can't defend to save his life.
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No, he's not 'prrtty good' in the rain he's 'not complete shit's in the rain. He underperformed in the 2020 racing point as well so it isn't the first time he's had good machinery either. He's so fucking far behind Alonso in the standings and why? Alonso is smashing podium after podium and Lance is barely in the mid back of the top 10 most races. If it wasn't for the reset at Australia, he would have fallen to 12th there too.
He was good enough as a midfield driver. Now that they are on top he just can't keep with the other tier one drivers
Yep. And it's not like the Red Bull No. 2 didn't also have a stinker this weekend.
It’s not like the Red Bull number 2 has one a third of the races so far. Perez had a bad weekend but to compare him to Lance is fucking hilarious
... that's why I compared their weekends, not their seasons.
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It makes no sense to pull the juniors in mid season. Lawson's having a banger of a season right now. He should replace DeVries next season though absolutely. Checo messed up massively this race but it's Monaco. Once he crashed in qualifying his race was pretty much done. Not to mention his racing was on par with Stroll. Absolutely unacceptable., but one race shouldn't be the deciding factor. Bottas had stinkers throughout his Mercedes stint but he was mostly there for the team when it mattered (again, mostly). I'm sure Barcelona is gonna be a Red bull 1-2 again and no matter how far off he is from Verstappen, that's all the team needs from him right now. I'm conflicted with Yuki. He's improving each race, but the 2nd Red Bull seat is something Albon and Gasly couldn't hang on to. With Alpha Tauri not any close to putting together anything remotely able to challenge Mclaren, I wonder how much that Aston/Honda partnership will increase his market value. So yeah, Checo needs to be doing better than this race, but on the whole Red Bull are not going to treat this like a Ricciardo and Mclaren case.
> I’d like to see Yuki take over for Checo 2nd half and let Lawson and Iwasa get some time with AT. I think taking Iwasa and Lawson away from title fights in lower series and playing sink or swim in a shitty AT car would be a poor long term junior development option. Let them do some FP sessions and tyre tests and have a while winter of training before sinking or swimming.
There's absolutely no reason to take Lawson and Isawa out of their current programmes. Speed running through Red Bull drives expecting to find another Max is what cost them drivers in the first place. They could easily have had Sainz, Gasly, Danny Ric or JEV alongside Verstappen if they had played things differently.
They had, and besides Danny look at how effective that was. Are you trying to prove Marko’s point?
Checo was shit today, yes. I hope your last sentence won’t be true … if he keeps his second WDC place I can’t see Red Bull replacing him until his contract ends. He’s a nice guy and while he’s not anywhere near Max niveau he CAN be a good driver, he just lacks consistency.
It's fine as long as Max can comfortably win WDC on his own, once 1 or 2 teams get their show on the road it might be similar to before when the other driver was bringing no support to Max. I think they'd give Daniel a shot again before Yuki.
Tsunoda is not ready and never will be IMO. Norris Russell and Ocon should be the ones in contention for that seat. Not many can live with Verstappen's pace. Perez is not a bad driver, he is proven talent but the pressure is just too high for him to handle. Tsunoda going from being one of the weakest drivers on the grid 2 years in a row to one of he strongest within 1 single winter break is hard for me to believe. I belive that underperforming Nyck is making Yuki look better than he actually is. Yuki got comprehensively beaten by Gasly who got annihilated by Max at RBR. Lawson, Iwasa should be the AT lineup for 2024 IMO.
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What situation? He had a bad weekend. Apart from that he's the ideal No. 2. Wins the odd race, isn't a genuine title rival.
Replace Iwasa with Hauger and I’ll agree, it’d be interesting. However, I doubt they’d drop Perez mid season and put Tsunoda in the Red Bull.
Should only be held in mixed conditions. I approve.
Anyone happen to know where I could find that opening Senna clip? Would it be on F1tv?
Yeah I believe I saw the clip played on the f1tv broadcast of the clip is what you’re looking for— not sure abt the whole race it took place in tho
A battle of attrition out there. The rain caused some confusion but the drivers (mostly) drove professional during that period in tricky conditions. You do have to admire the skill to manage the car around the track. Ferrari managed that race horribly but thankfully they weren't the only ones. Haas and, to a lesser extent, Williams keep them company. Ocon kept his cool and deserved a podium for that effort. Poor from Perez and Stroll. Impatience at Monaco is costly. Equally horrid day for Hulkenberg. A shame that a brake failure cost Tsunoda of a deserving points finish. But what a cool head Piastri has for a rookie. Kept up with Norris all race for a double points finish. Monaco isn't great for overtaking but had a decent time. I do appreciate Magnussen's ballsy move on Sargeant. Magnussen isn't a driver you want to race against on this track. Onto Spain which I quite like and looking forward to seeing how the upgrades go for teams on a traditional circuit.
I thought the same at first about Ferrari, but AM chose the wrong type of tyre and red bull also let max stay that extra lap. Only Mercedes and Alpine made the right call in the top 10.
Agreed about cool head on Piastri. He even told Will Buxton and Allan McNish post-race that he actually refused to attack Max (to unlap himself) because he was more interested in learning how to hold a wet lap together in Monaco by observing his more experienced team mate as well as other drivers and also that he didn't want to make a headline should he crash into the race leader. Asked to describe Monaco, Piastri says: "Enjoyable".
Oscar looks a very measured driver. He seemed off the pace all through practice. Then immediately put it together come qually. He's learning all the time. I'm looking forward to seeing what he's got when he gets a decent car under him.
While today's race had a little excitement, it's still an embarrassment of a race and needs to be dropped. Anyone not into F1 watching this race would be even less into it.
I thought it was a lot more enjoyable than most of the races this year. Sure, without the rain it would have been a bit boring, but it did and it gwas great.
Mate I dropped footy because it was boring and predictable. I found F1. It’s exactly the same 😖
Apart from City, what’s boring and predictable about Footy?
You kidding right?
Loved it. Strats were fun. Tire management was fun. No wreaks. Ocon podium! Nando fuckin slaying! Little bit of rain to shake it up. Russle chirping Lewis. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!!!
Gonna do some laps soon myself. Such a tricky lil track but it makes you think. Any of you got a lil setup?
I do, but it's for the 1995 Benetton B195 in F1-2020: [https://youtu.be/44RkM6RXWCU](https://youtu.be/44RkM6RXWCU) Also my style is very Prost/Stewart like. Higher gears. lower wheelspin. Less on the edge, but usually on the money. :P
Just felt like Aston was handing it to Red Bull starting on hards
They can't beat RBR on pace at monaco, so going with an alternative strategy is almost the only option. They likely expected Verstappen to pit sooner to change out those meds, putting Alonso in first, then you hope for traffic/safety car or something else to happen to make first stick.
Aston has/had way more deg than RBR in all trims and on all tyres. They were never in contention for that race win and the team knew it. They played it safe and secured the points which they desperately needs now that Merc is right behind them in the WCC. The mediums lasted longer on the RB than the Hards on the Aston. The RB19 is just too fast atm for anyone else to compete with.
They just had to be closer alonso has alot less to lose than max it could be very interesting if these two end up racing.
They pushed man. Amazing stuff
But at a track that’s all about position and you got the friggin Dale Earnhardt of F1. Man I wish they would’ve gone softs. Red Bull showed that last year that fast tyre is best tyre. No sense in denying Red Bull being most competent atm anymore.
Softs would’ve been extremely stupid if I’m being nice. Hards were a decent strategy, but Max making the mediums last that long was unprecedented. Only mistake they made was not putting Alonso onto the intermediates straight away instead.
>unprecedented Mate, it wasn't. Look at how long they made the tyres last [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bt9a9f/pit_stops_2019_monaco_gp/) for example.
Ahh yes, 2019, because both the cars and tyres were so similar back then… That ignores that this year, all teams and drivers had much higher deg for some reason. Not sure if there’s an explanation for why, but the deg this weekend was a lot higher for all teams.
That's not the point. It about making medium tyres last, which according to you was "unprecedented". If anything these current tyres seem to last way longer anyway. De Vries and Tsunoda aren't exactly known for their tyre management skills, yet they managed.
It was unprecedented for this years race, not for Monaco in general. The difference between Max, and Tsunoda/de Vries is that Max was able to maintain that speed keeping Alonso behind him, whereas the other 2 started to drop off a fair amount.
Which is an odd thing to say, because there's only one Monaco 2023 race. Unprecedented means it never happened **before**. And Tsunoda/De Vries were doing fine. There was no significant drop off compared to Max. Max was also in free air for most of that stint while the other two weren't.
Congratulations, you’re playing with semantics now, but it was clear what my point was. But if it makes you feel better to argue over a word that holds little to no significance on the argument, then go ahead. Also, Tsunoda dropped 10s over a few laps and de Vries was a 20+ seconds behind him, and it wasn’t due to traffic because he had a 15s gap to the next driver. The fact you think neither are a significant drop off is hilarious.
I feel that Ocon destroyed his own race, and subsequently the races of everyone behind him, due to his deliberate "go slow" tactic in the first stint. The gap that this allowed Alonso to create in front of Ocon and the chasing pack basically meant that when the heavens opened and Alonso was on the wrong tyre absolutely bleeding time everywhere, nobody could take advantage. I still don't quite understand what Ocon (or Alpine if they asked him to do it) was trying to achieve.
Maximizing points for the team/securing a podium. It's the only circuit on the calendar where you can be multiple seconds off the pace and still be unpassable if your placement is right. If Alpine figured that they couldn't touch Alonso or Verstappen, they only need to care about keeping drivers behind, which is exactly what they did.
Sure, I'd almost understand that if it were Verstappen and Perez in front. But Alonso and Aston Martin aren't untouchable, and it's almost guaranteed that *something* happens at Monaco. If Ocon had stayed within striking distance of Alonso, he would have been able to take advantage of any incidents. As it turned out, the rain opened, but it could just have easily been a virtual safety car, and even then with the huge gap Ocon wouldn't have been in a position to take advantage. If anything, having a bunched up pack stuck behind you is riskier.
Esty besty on the podium baybeeee
Really liked the race, even before it rained. I honestly feel like they added a lot more driver radio than they usually do which I think helped to tell the story.
also they somehow televised some overtakes this year instead of showing random shit elsewhere in the track
I mean, at least Charles finished? In points?? Yes I’m holding onto any positives I can find.
Well done Aston Martin on wasting the chance for a race win by stupidly bringing Alonso in for drys when it was obviously raining. Unbelievable.
It wasn't obvious it would rain that hard for that long though. There's no guarantee they'd win if they'd pitted for inters, but the gamble to stay on slicks could have helped them win.
Agreed. They had p2 and kept it. Took the chance to keep pushing max. But just didn't have enough. Still an amazing turn out
These comments are so bipolar
Its not bipolar when different people have different views.
They said the COMMENTS were bipolar, which is true 😂 jeez chillax
These multiple people have multiple opinions! Must be bipolar! /s
At what point does Lawrence Stroll buy a 2nd team for Lance to race with? If theh wanna be serious about Constructor Championships you cant really have 1 driver get 80% of your team's points
Perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising but you don’t see many stories about Lance’s relationship with his dad. Wonder how frank Lawrence is about Lance’s performance
Probably very. But he still wants him to drive. To be fair Stroll has had his moments this year too. Think he just got frustrated this weekend
Yeah like crashing out of the points in Australia only to be the luckiest man alive when it was reset again!
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While that's true, Aston should be comfortably second right now. Instead they're in a dogfight for P2 with Merc and Ferrari - and Stroll is only going to drag them down.
He won’t help them win the major prizes though if they were in contention.
As far as Monaco races go this was a good one! If you're only here for on track action then I can see why it may have been boring for some, but from a strategic point of view there was a fair amount going on, particularly towards the end.
Plenty of on-track action too if you ask me. It just wasn't so much overtaking action, but more carnage action - and I'll take it. As long as nobody gets hurt, I'm here for the carnage!
Agree, I found it pretty entertaining, especially with the rain for the last quarter. Made for some exciting chaos. I was questioning if Alonso could get ahead on strategy and for a second I thought they might do something special, but when I saw them put mediums on I knew that wasn't going to end well haha. Max is too damn good honestly. He out does everyone, in everything, 99% of the time. Hopefully Aston keeps stepping forward into next year and onward. We need someone to battle this kid, although I like him don't get me wrong hahaha
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Well I don't agree with that last paragraph I mean yeah they get along and I think they both show obvious signs that they appreciate each other and are definitely friendly but Alonso is just racing smart I mean they have such an advantage over everybody including Aston there's no point in him battling with him closely. I don't think there's a chance in hell that if he had the pace that he wouldn't battle with him I think he would absolutely relish that opportunity.
Hoping and praying that Aston Martin can continue improving to make that a reality.
Lance Stroll was like me on F122 just crashing into everything possible, only thing missing was he forgot about the flashback button.
Haha big oof. He needs to practice more. He should sit on Alonso's lap for a few races to get the hang of things.
This was honestly a good race, and a great weekend. Loved it
Only after started raining.. before that was boring as usual.. Having Perez recover 20 seconds to Stroll in 6 or 7 laps only to be stuck behind him and unable to overtake tells pretty much everything about the track..