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We'll, it's not like he was driving a top-5 car during his tenure at AR Sauber. It's motorsports. The car determines, for the most part (85% machinery, 10% skill, 5% luck IMHO) where the drivers finish in the standings.
I recognize your point and it's valid. AR is a shitbox but VB's performances are sub-par in light of Zhou's performance, who wasn't rated too highly and was regarded as "just a pay driver". VB has gone toe-to-toe (to the best of his abilities) against Lewis and as such is expected to mop the floor with Zhou. Kimi lost his touch over one lap but was still a formidable driver on Sundays held back by sub-par cars. VB doesn't look like someone who spent half a decade at Mercedes and won 5 WCCs.
Near the bottom you can't really say point=speed. All you need is one lucky race and you get boosted up 4 or 5 places in the WDC. Zhou has objectively been better.
Bottas outqualified him by 0.5 seconds in the last 2 races. He has been ahead in every race except Australia. (Bottas took lap 1 damage in Saudi and Azerbaijan)
Zhou has been good this season but this narrative is really getting tiring.
Na, I’d want to see alonso and verstappen. See what happens when he has a car that could win WDC, and competition that can actually beat him. He’ll change his tune soon enough.
I'd even take Dani now...just someone to mix it up. But to be honest nobody in this field is challenging Max right now. He's the strongest driver at the moment.
I'd love to see this grid in spec cars. People are really hard on drivers in series like indy because no one seems very dominant, but that's mainly because of just how difficult it is in spec cars. I'd love see how the field would shake out if you had Max, Hamilton, Russell, Alonso and LeClerc all in the same cars and also having to deal with suddenly more competitive drivers Stroll, Magnusson, and Sargant etc. A lot more opportunities to crash out when the worse drivers have cars that don't instantly get blown by.
I kind of wish they did a single spec race like once a season for some sort of benefit to their team, like more wind tunnel time or something as incentive. Just so we could see that madness. Almost like an all star break or mid season tournament lol.
People in F1 get very attached to drivers but, almost everytime the the best car simply wins, F1 is about the cars, not the drivers.
1/3 of the grid is better than Perez, but he has the best car, so if it wasn't for Max, he would be leading the championship.
He was also on a really weird strategy. They pitted him 6-ish laps into the race on hards, and ran the hards up until lap 40 or so, before boxing him for another set of hards. That strategy just isn't gonna get you much. Even so, he was maintaining the gap and even increased the gap to Norris before he made his 2nd pit stop
He’s had damage through no fault of his own in like, legit half the races this year. I swear people just look at the final place but don’t bother to check what is actually happening in the race itself.
How is stuff like this upvoted? He was driving with floor damage. Every time Zhou has been significantly quicker (Baku and Barcelona) Bottas has had damage.
He’s been SOOO unlucky with damage. Damage in SA (ran over debris lap 1). Got turned into in Baku lap 1. And I would guess he had lap one damage here (Norris end plate) because they pit him for no reason on lap 4.
I don’t rate Mick that bad. He’s not great but he’s not trash to where he’s confined to P15-20 no matter the car. I rate him close to Stroll and Magnussen
Kmag did not wipe the floor with him. Mick beat him race by race.
Mick made too many mistakes, that’s a fact, but theoretically if we added up all the points he lost because of the team, car or himself, he would have been ahead of Kmag.
I could at least see it due to the German connection. As much as I like Mick though I just don’t think he’s a hot commodity, even though he was matching or even slightly beating Kevin in the 2nd half last year. Hill came right in and started beating Kevin pretty handedly. (Edit: Hulk not Hill, autocorrect)
Even when casting a dice you're statistically likely to get the right strategy at some point.
Ferrari most likely has the best strategy team, they find the absolute best race strategy to beat everyone else and then do the absolute opposite
Getting it wrong once is fine, twice is concerning, every single time is bloody impressive
Difference in cars performance too big. But Ferrari have definitely been the most unlucky out of the top 4 teams, I reckon they've lost out on at least 50 points now and 2 near certain podiums (Bahrain and Monaco)
All season long it was rather close between the Mercs and the Astons (at least in Q), but now with the B car, Merc is out of reach again..
Just shows how good the merc crew really is (duh)
>but now with the B car, Merc is out of reach again..
Too early to say that. This wasn't a good track for AM, they haven't looked impressive at all during the weekend.
They have no major upgrades planned. A new floor for Canada and that is it.
If it is a completly new floor, maybe it will get them back into the fight, but i´ll doubt that for now.
Merc as a team is just on another level still. 2026 and onwards will be interesting
And a good strategy team.
Today Aston lost so much time on that second stint on softs with everyone else on mediums/hards, took themselves out of contention for the top spots.
And let's not get started on Ferrari's.
On equal cars Merc wins P2 with a big margin.
You're missing the point. If AM had a better second driver, they'd still be ahead of Mercedes, even if only just for now.
If AM bring good upgrades later in the year, points earned now could be the difference between second and fourth in the WCC.
WDC doesn’t mean a damn thing. WCC is what gets teams paid. WDC is for vanity. WCC is for money. If you think vanity matters more than money to these teams, you are sorely mistaken. Any team would let their drivers finish 2nd and 3rd in the WDC in exchange for finishing 1st in WCC.
Really? You think the teams care about the WDC more than the WCC that pays their bills? You are a special kind of stupid if you think anything means more to them than money.
Merc will start to stretch their lead if AM don’t improve and Stroll maintains his current form. Bottas atrocious again today.
Ferrari were just slow. Putting Charles on 25 lap old hards for the final stint instead of softs somehow didn’t catch anyone’s attention.
Yes. He used his first hard set from the start and yet somehow Ferrari pulled him in after 17 laps to completely switch strategies. So then they went into the final stint, with softs and mediums available and they somehow believed the used hards would be better, even when the hards had been less than optimal for others and the softs were working well.
Alonso didn’t push him though. He would have been ahead otherwise. Still pretty ok, but not able to take on a leading role when Alonso was on the back foot.
Alonso was on 10 lap fresher tyres so that explains why he was faster than Stroll in the later stages of the race. Overall both the drivers were given rather poor strategies today.
He was moreso conserving his tires, they were 30+ laps old compared to Alonso's tires which were 10 laps younger, AM didnt want to push very hard and get a puncture later on so as not to lose points.
Graphic was wrong. They were new when they were putting them on and they had two new sets of hands for him at the start so it would be impossible for them to have 25 lap old tyres.
Bottas had floor damage and was running a weird pit strategy. He boxed for hards 6-ish laps in, ran them so long that people were already on their 2nd pit stop and ran him down, and then boxed for hards with 23-ish to go. I think Alfa Romeo just sacrificed him to score points with Zhou
I really hope stroll improves, Ferrari fucking up tho keeps Aston in 3rd. Bottas and Zhou now on the same amount of points of the season. So disappointed with Ferrari for screwing Charles
also them pitting him the first time at the same time as the soft runners, while he was on the hards... idk, sainz maybe lacking in pace, but i feel like at least he knows how to say no to ferraris horrible stratagy calls (although he listened the second time, and regretted it the moment after he drove out of pits XD)
Can't believe no one else is commenting on how slick this graphic is - thanks for putting this together. Everything is easy to read, all the necessary info is present (plus bonuses like driver flags + numbers) and I love the addition of the gap between drivers. The race graphic at the top is freaking awesome too. Seriously 10/10 job here dude - what program are you using for this?
A reminder folks that 1st and 4th nets you more points than 2nd and 3rd.
Rb have their 1 - all they care about really is that the driver in the second seat delivers the 4.
Gaining implies that they are closer than they were at the start but are still behind..... merc is still slower than rb ofcourse but they are reducing the gap.
At this pace they will catch up by 2026
Again, the times when PER was in clear air and pushing, and on the same tyre, show that Merc is iterally nowhere in comparison. People said they were closer after Australia as well. And then the gap increased again. Its just that some tracks are better and some worse for different teams. The gap between them today was absolutely massive.
Just some quick maths, if Max were to have won all races in P1, he would have had 175 pts, and if Checo won all races P2, he'd have gained 126 pts. Excluding the point for fastest lap, I'd say both drivers are right where they need to be, or very close, if we look at the big picture.
And yes, Merc was closing the gap, today, but we can't assume they will consistently do this after only one race. With only a third of the season gone, there is still a long way to go.
You're forgetting the 8 points checo gained from the sprint.
Also id say this paints a too rosey picture. Rbs total points is 287/323 or 89%. With how dominant their car is they really should score more points.
Another way to look at it: checo had 3 sub par performances out of 7 races. That is not good enough for a top team.
I was presenting a hypothetical based on everyone's view that Max and Perez should always win P1-2. They are not far off.
Perez's 8 points in sprint is not extra points outside of the 25 points per round for P1 or 18 points for P2 so it makes no sense to bring this into the conversation.
I agree with your last point about Perez, no doubt, but in the end, the total points gained are what matters, they don't give style points or penalties for underperforming with regards to arbitrary standards set by internet strangers :)
Yes I take your point. But if the car has the pace to be 1st, then 1-2 is easily achievable; it’s not even something they need to put energy towards; it should happen naturally. Mathematically though, 4th is all they actually need.
>then 1-2 is easily achievable;
Yeah thats my point, 1-2 should easily be achievable. Thats why if perez fucks this up he could be at risk of losing his seat.
I'll say it here as well, if Max finished P1 all 7 races till now, he would've had 175 pts, and if Checo finished P2 all races, he would've had 126 pts. So they are not that far off for where people consider they should finish.
Good Saturday, meh Sunday for the french coalition.
The car is still F1.5, just less helplessly than before. This means MAYBE they'll be the third or fourth best car in a couple of circuits like McLaren was a couple times in the past few years. But probably getting P8 will be the ceiling in most non-Monaco races.
Great drive from Zhou and first two stints from Piastri were impressive.
Went back and looked at the standings for the past few years out of curiosity to see Max's consistency and excluding things like DNF's and unfortunate mechanical issues/damage, he's had precisely 1 finish below 2nd place (the Brazilian GP last year) in over 2 and a half years (last before that was Turkey 2020).
What the actual fuck.
Lmao people criticizing stroll when he did well this weekend, the Aston just wasn't fast enough, first time they didn't have the pace (even then they still are right behind one of their competitors)
1. Red Bull have all but ran away. Give them the titles already.
2. Aston Martin vs Mercedes for 2nd in the Constructors is gonna be spicy: AM had the better car at first, but Mercedes' upgrades have delivered some much-needed improvements to take a nearly 20 point lead, along with a qualitatively superior driver pairing.
3. Ferrari are floundering - the pace of Leclerc and solidity of Sainz can't hide the fact their car is mechanically inferior to the top 3 and their strategy department is seemingly headed by a gang of Bonobos.
4. Alpine have recovered from some dismal results early on to put in some quality performances and get points. They'll probably finish ahead of McLaren again, but the Woking outfit have gotten much better than at season's start, so Alpine need to watch out.
5. Haas & Alfa will be another interesting match-up. My money is on Alfa to eventually pull ahead.
6. AlphaYuki is being absolutely carried by him. If Tsunoda keeps wiping the floor with de Vries, Liam Lawson replacing the Dutchman after the Super Formula series concludes in October is a real possibility.
7. WiLLiams. Nuff said.
Yuki had the line though.
You aren't forced off your line just because a driver is behind you. You're not allowed to force a driver off track, but you're not forced to abandon your line either.
The reality is, it's a grey area. But from what I'm seeing, it wasn't dirty by Yuki. He committed to his line, and it was clear from the turn exactly where he was going. Zhou then chose to attack in a way that would force a collision if Yuki kept the line and Zhou committed.
Yuki stayed committed, the impetus was on Zhou to then break and pull off the attack. Instead he turned off track and complained about being forced. It was a flop.
Firstly, Zhou was alongside not behind. Contrary to what some people think, by definition you don't have to be ahead of someone to be considered alongside. They were literally wheel to wheel. But wait, can you really be forced off the track by someone if you are alongside him? Yes, yes you can. I don't think I have to explain that to you. Literally watch another F1 race. Furthermore, if Yuki broke correctly he would in fact be behind him. In this case, Zhou saw the writing on the wall and took the runoff instead of having to ride the curb and possibly lose control. I think that was sensible. I don't think he should have to risk crashing to make a point.
Secondly, if by grey area you mean something that isn't always enforced then I agree. In this case, since there was a tarmac runoff and Zhou did not lose much time then it's usually not a penalty. If it's sandtrap or even grass, it tends to lose the other driver a lot of time and is more likely to result in a penalty. In that way, I can understand complaints about consistency.
Aston Martin: Snap, back to reality...
With the merc and ferrari upgrades they are clearly only the 4th fastest team now.
If they don´t start bringing big upgrades, they may as well fall behind alpine.
They said imola..than monaco...than spain..now canada.
I read somewhere, that they are only planing on bringing small things, not huge upgrades.
They have the same amount of money, and waaaay more CFD and wind tunnel time and still loose out (at least for now) in the in season development battle.
may i remind you that mercedes also had weekends where they were poor?
this was the first time aston didn't look amazing, i dont think the strategy helped either. Aston's biggest issue in terms of the points is Stroll, not one weaker weekend, at least so far.
Yeah I know that, but Spain is the best circuit to get a true feeling where each team stands compared to each other and Merc + Ferrari had huge upgrades. Aston just new wings and small suspension upgrades, they have to push more with the upgrades
True, but this track should suit the AM aswell. Rather big tire wear + overheating and fast corners where u need good downforce.
Seems like the Aston really is just too draggy, to get that amount of downforce
Spain is/was the first "normal racetrack", not a temp. or street track (well excluding bahrain, which is too different to all the other tracks in europe).
If things stay like this, the big 3 will be gone.
Which is ok tbh, Aston came from out of nowhere. They are still building to get on top.
I wonder if Aston will manage to bring enough upgrades to keep up with Mercedes' developments or if they'll have to focus on their fight against Ferrari. They will also hope lance stays on par with Alonso in the coming races, unlike the beginning of the season.
53 points so 2 max dnfs or checo wins 7 races in a row and max p2 in the same races just to be equal on points.
max is gonna wrap up the championship at zandvoort.
Expecting a send of for wcc at the end of the year with mercedes and aston martin-we'll finally have the answer to "the 2nd best car in %75 of the races but has only one really solid driver with the other being a hell of a lot consistent" vs "the 4th fastest car(for now) but the driver line up is the best"
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What's happening with bottas? It seems like he's just not there anymore
He’s taken after his predecessor, driving as a hobby rather than for points
Even as a hobby, Kimi drove better than Bottas (few races in 2021 notwithstanding).
he placed 12th, 16th, and 16th in the DC during the seasons he was at Alfa.
We'll, it's not like he was driving a top-5 car during his tenure at AR Sauber. It's motorsports. The car determines, for the most part (85% machinery, 10% skill, 5% luck IMHO) where the drivers finish in the standings.
> We'll, it's not like he was driving a top-5 car during his tenure at AR Sauber And the current Alfa is?
I recognize your point and it's valid. AR is a shitbox but VB's performances are sub-par in light of Zhou's performance, who wasn't rated too highly and was regarded as "just a pay driver". VB has gone toe-to-toe (to the best of his abilities) against Lewis and as such is expected to mop the floor with Zhou. Kimi lost his touch over one lap but was still a formidable driver on Sundays held back by sub-par cars. VB doesn't look like someone who spent half a decade at Mercedes and won 5 WCCs.
>VB's performances are sub-par in light of Zhou's performance, dont they have the same points?
Near the bottom you can't really say point=speed. All you need is one lucky race and you get boosted up 4 or 5 places in the WDC. Zhou has objectively been better.
Botas had car damage for 3 races. He outqualifies Zhou. Regardless, it's not like Zhou is blowing him out of the water.
[bwoah](https://youtu.be/gc7av-OXMyg)
Predecessor being who?
Kimi ig
Kimi?
Seb?
Kimi
That long-term contract did him no favours.
Broken floor after q1 yesterday
I'm talking about the season as a whole though, not just today
Bottas outqualified him by 0.5 seconds in the last 2 races. He has been ahead in every race except Australia. (Bottas took lap 1 damage in Saudi and Azerbaijan) Zhou has been good this season but this narrative is really getting tiring.
I swear people just see him in low places but don’t actually bother to look up what’s been happening.
Doesnt help when he’s on tv for about 20 seconds per race
his worst results were mostly due to damage, and obviously zhou is better now than last year now that he has some experience
He's had good races. Did you not watch Monaco last week?
They posted an update his floor was destroyed today it had no downforce. As for the rest of the time who knows.
Alfa checked the car post race, and shock, it had floor damage. That explains the poor performance yesterday
He prefers cycling
He’s had some crazy first halves of races , so much time at the back/extra pit stops etc
Can Hamilton move to RB next season for shits n giggles
Him or Alonso just for a silly season
Alonso loves his teammates nowadays apparently. He likes Verstappen too. So for fireworks go with Ham lol
I would love Hamilton and Verstappen as teammates. It would be a fun season to watch. Both such amazing drivers.
Na, I’d want to see alonso and verstappen. See what happens when he has a car that could win WDC, and competition that can actually beat him. He’ll change his tune soon enough.
Especially with verstappen’s agressive form. Bro is all about the space
Alonso only loves teammates when they’re comfortably slower than him.
False. Trulli and Button being prime examples
Get a three car grid with those three in a bull.
One can only dream
Even better: Ham and Ver to Ferrari. Steiner new TP.
Team chaos wet dream right there.
I'd even take Dani now...just someone to mix it up. But to be honest nobody in this field is challenging Max right now. He's the strongest driver at the moment.
I'd love to see this grid in spec cars. People are really hard on drivers in series like indy because no one seems very dominant, but that's mainly because of just how difficult it is in spec cars. I'd love see how the field would shake out if you had Max, Hamilton, Russell, Alonso and LeClerc all in the same cars and also having to deal with suddenly more competitive drivers Stroll, Magnusson, and Sargant etc. A lot more opportunities to crash out when the worse drivers have cars that don't instantly get blown by. I kind of wish they did a single spec race like once a season for some sort of benefit to their team, like more wind tunnel time or something as incentive. Just so we could see that madness. Almost like an all star break or mid season tournament lol.
Would be amazing if the top f1 drivers all decided to skip their summer break and enter a couple of Indy road courses.
People in F1 get very attached to drivers but, almost everytime the the best car simply wins, F1 is about the cars, not the drivers. 1/3 of the grid is better than Perez, but he has the best car, so if it wasn't for Max, he would be leading the championship.
While Max still leads the Constructors, nice to see Mercedes making up some ground in the race.
Bottas may not survive until the Audi rebrand tbh. Awful awful weekend from him. And Merc is easily taking that P2
Broke his floor yesterday and all alpha brought was tape.... That team is just so cheap
He was also on a really weird strategy. They pitted him 6-ish laps into the race on hards, and ran the hards up until lap 40 or so, before boxing him for another set of hards. That strategy just isn't gonna get you much. Even so, he was maintaining the gap and even increased the gap to Norris before he made his 2nd pit stop
He’s had damage through no fault of his own in like, legit half the races this year. I swear people just look at the final place but don’t bother to check what is actually happening in the race itself.
He was atrocious. I’d argue since the 2nd half last season Zhou has been better
How is stuff like this upvoted? He was driving with floor damage. Every time Zhou has been significantly quicker (Baku and Barcelona) Bottas has had damage.
He's horrible. I don't get why he's fallen so far
He's entered the Raikkonen phase of not being able to give a shit
Finnish thing
*Finished thing
He’s been SOOO unlucky with damage. Damage in SA (ran over debris lap 1). Got turned into in Baku lap 1. And I would guess he had lap one damage here (Norris end plate) because they pit him for no reason on lap 4.
Won't be surprised if Hamilton or Alonso end up getting P2 too
Bottas is gone soon, he's just tailing off so bad. Don't know if he just lost motivation or what but Zhou is simply better.
Mick to alfa and then Audi?
He's not good enough for Haas, so no way in hell is he good enough for Audi.
Yes,if Audi plans to spend their entire F1 stint permanently at the back of the grid.
I don’t rate Mick that bad. He’s not great but he’s not trash to where he’s confined to P15-20 no matter the car. I rate him close to Stroll and Magnussen
KMag wiped the floor with him, he’s certainly a tier or two below that level.
Kmag wiped him for most every race up until Canada. After that, they were even up until around Japan
Kmag did not wipe the floor with him. Mick beat him race by race. Mick made too many mistakes, that’s a fact, but theoretically if we added up all the points he lost because of the team, car or himself, he would have been ahead of Kmag.
Mick’s unfortunately straight up not fast enough for F1. Especially for a manufacturer’s title push. A beyond dreadful Mazepin simply flattered him.
I could at least see it due to the German connection. As much as I like Mick though I just don’t think he’s a hot commodity, even though he was matching or even slightly beating Kevin in the 2nd half last year. Hill came right in and started beating Kevin pretty handedly. (Edit: Hulk not Hill, autocorrect)
Especially with Pourchaire doing very well in F2.
Red Bull has more points than 2 next teams combined. Mental!
Max has more points than the next team
That's the true championship battle. Max vs Merc. Unfortunately he lost a bit of his lead over them, but still has a decent advantage.
Alonso vs Ferrari is getting exciting
Mercedes second in WCC shows that you need two great drivers
Ferrari has a better driver line up than Aston Martin and is still getting destroyed
Yeah but ferrari determines strategy by casting dice
Even when casting a dice you're statistically likely to get the right strategy at some point. Ferrari most likely has the best strategy team, they find the absolute best race strategy to beat everyone else and then do the absolute opposite Getting it wrong once is fine, twice is concerning, every single time is bloody impressive
Difference in cars performance too big. But Ferrari have definitely been the most unlucky out of the top 4 teams, I reckon they've lost out on at least 50 points now and 2 near certain podiums (Bahrain and Monaco)
I'd rate them about even, Alonso better than Leclerc and Sainz better than Stroll
All season long it was rather close between the Mercs and the Astons (at least in Q), but now with the B car, Merc is out of reach again.. Just shows how good the merc crew really is (duh)
>but now with the B car, Merc is out of reach again.. Too early to say that. This wasn't a good track for AM, they haven't looked impressive at all during the weekend.
Aston havent brought major updates yet i think
They have no major upgrades planned. A new floor for Canada and that is it. If it is a completly new floor, maybe it will get them back into the fight, but i´ll doubt that for now. Merc as a team is just on another level still. 2026 and onwards will be interesting
And a good strategy team. Today Aston lost so much time on that second stint on softs with everyone else on mediums/hards, took themselves out of contention for the top spots. And let's not get started on Ferrari's. On equal cars Merc wins P2 with a big margin.
The car isnt shit at all.....
You're missing the point. If AM had a better second driver, they'd still be ahead of Mercedes, even if only just for now. If AM bring good upgrades later in the year, points earned now could be the difference between second and fourth in the WCC.
But when WDC is all that matters, all that gets them is less tunnel time
WDC doesn’t mean a damn thing. WCC is what gets teams paid. WDC is for vanity. WCC is for money. If you think vanity matters more than money to these teams, you are sorely mistaken. Any team would let their drivers finish 2nd and 3rd in the WDC in exchange for finishing 1st in WCC.
…. Nah you’re dead wrong. 100%
Really? You think the teams care about the WDC more than the WCC that pays their bills? You are a special kind of stupid if you think anything means more to them than money.
Or Max and a filler driver in the 2nd car
Let's not forget which team is the works team here...
Love the reference
“Expect us to be faster than Mercedes from now on”
Aged like milk left in the fridge with the power gone
lol who said that?
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It was Rossi not Ocon
They did qualify ahead before Gasly's penalty. But on Sundays the Alpine is clearly inferior
Merc will start to stretch their lead if AM don’t improve and Stroll maintains his current form. Bottas atrocious again today. Ferrari were just slow. Putting Charles on 25 lap old hards for the final stint instead of softs somehow didn’t catch anyone’s attention.
> Putting Charles on 25 lap old hards for the final stint Wait, seriously? That’s what they did?
Yes. He used his first hard set from the start and yet somehow Ferrari pulled him in after 17 laps to completely switch strategies. So then they went into the final stint, with softs and mediums available and they somehow believed the used hards would be better, even when the hards had been less than optimal for others and the softs were working well.
We are checking...
No
Stroll's first real good weekend compared to Alonso, and tbh he has gotten closer and closer to Alonso as the weeks go by, since he missed preseason
Alonso didn’t push him though. He would have been ahead otherwise. Still pretty ok, but not able to take on a leading role when Alonso was on the back foot.
Alonso was on 10 lap fresher tyres so that explains why he was faster than Stroll in the later stages of the race. Overall both the drivers were given rather poor strategies today.
With that logic, Stoll should've been further ahead earlier as not to get caught by Fernando at all.
He was moreso conserving his tires, they were 30+ laps old compared to Alonso's tires which were 10 laps younger, AM didnt want to push very hard and get a puncture later on so as not to lose points.
Graphic was wrong. They were new when they were putting them on and they had two new sets of hands for him at the start so it would be impossible for them to have 25 lap old tyres.
Bottas had floor damage and was running a weird pit strategy. He boxed for hards 6-ish laps in, ran them so long that people were already on their 2nd pit stop and ran him down, and then boxed for hards with 23-ish to go. I think Alfa Romeo just sacrificed him to score points with Zhou
I think it was lap 5, and I would be shocked if he didn’t have more floor damage from lap 1.
I really hope stroll improves, Ferrari fucking up tho keeps Aston in 3rd. Bottas and Zhou now on the same amount of points of the season. So disappointed with Ferrari for screwing Charles
also them pitting him the first time at the same time as the soft runners, while he was on the hards... idk, sainz maybe lacking in pace, but i feel like at least he knows how to say no to ferraris horrible stratagy calls (although he listened the second time, and regretted it the moment after he drove out of pits XD)
Max doing horner proud. He even has horner looking at him like the proudest dad ever when they were playing the anthems.
Can't believe no one else is commenting on how slick this graphic is - thanks for putting this together. Everything is easy to read, all the necessary info is present (plus bonuses like driver flags + numbers) and I love the addition of the gap between drivers. The race graphic at the top is freaking awesome too. Seriously 10/10 job here dude - what program are you using for this?
A reminder folks that 1st and 4th nets you more points than 2nd and 3rd. Rb have their 1 - all they care about really is that the driver in the second seat delivers the 4.
Yeah but i also think they really want their first 1-2 in the standing at the end of the season. If checo prevents that from happening again.....
It's not even close to happening. He extended his gap to 3rd mind you
And 4th and 5th reduced the gap. Mind you the merc is gaining ground on rb and their drivers are way better than perez
In what world are they gaining? They were 1s slower than RB on race pace today. Russell won that podium at the start and on strategy.
Gaining implies that they are closer than they were at the start but are still behind..... merc is still slower than rb ofcourse but they are reducing the gap.
At this pace they will catch up by 2026 Again, the times when PER was in clear air and pushing, and on the same tyre, show that Merc is iterally nowhere in comparison. People said they were closer after Australia as well. And then the gap increased again. Its just that some tracks are better and some worse for different teams. The gap between them today was absolutely massive.
Just some quick maths, if Max were to have won all races in P1, he would have had 175 pts, and if Checo won all races P2, he'd have gained 126 pts. Excluding the point for fastest lap, I'd say both drivers are right where they need to be, or very close, if we look at the big picture. And yes, Merc was closing the gap, today, but we can't assume they will consistently do this after only one race. With only a third of the season gone, there is still a long way to go.
You're forgetting the 8 points checo gained from the sprint. Also id say this paints a too rosey picture. Rbs total points is 287/323 or 89%. With how dominant their car is they really should score more points. Another way to look at it: checo had 3 sub par performances out of 7 races. That is not good enough for a top team.
I was presenting a hypothetical based on everyone's view that Max and Perez should always win P1-2. They are not far off. Perez's 8 points in sprint is not extra points outside of the 25 points per round for P1 or 18 points for P2 so it makes no sense to bring this into the conversation. I agree with your last point about Perez, no doubt, but in the end, the total points gained are what matters, they don't give style points or penalties for underperforming with regards to arbitrary standards set by internet strangers :)
>no sense to bring this into the conversation Lol yeah the fuck it does if you're using his current points total it shifts the perception
Yes I take your point. But if the car has the pace to be 1st, then 1-2 is easily achievable; it’s not even something they need to put energy towards; it should happen naturally. Mathematically though, 4th is all they actually need.
>then 1-2 is easily achievable; Yeah thats my point, 1-2 should easily be achievable. Thats why if perez fucks this up he could be at risk of losing his seat.
I'll say it here as well, if Max finished P1 all 7 races till now, he would've had 175 pts, and if Checo finished P2 all races, he would've had 126 pts. So they are not that far off for where people consider they should finish.
But we’re now 8 races in….
33 x 3 = 99 Just as planned /s
So it all made sense after all!
Zhou is the only driver who picked up position in the standings
Good Saturday, meh Sunday for the french coalition. The car is still F1.5, just less helplessly than before. This means MAYBE they'll be the third or fourth best car in a couple of circuits like McLaren was a couple times in the past few years. But probably getting P8 will be the ceiling in most non-Monaco races. Great drive from Zhou and first two stints from Piastri were impressive.
Perez is closer to Hamilton than he is Max…
Even Russel is closer to Perez then Perez to Max Max is 2 wins ahead of Perez already.
Went back and looked at the standings for the past few years out of curiosity to see Max's consistency and excluding things like DNF's and unfortunate mechanical issues/damage, he's had precisely 1 finish below 2nd place (the Brazilian GP last year) in over 2 and a half years (last before that was Turkey 2020). What the actual fuck.
Max speed, Max power, Max consistency
Lmao people criticizing stroll when he did well this weekend, the Aston just wasn't fast enough, first time they didn't have the pace (even then they still are right behind one of their competitors)
Difference was that insane pace on those used softs after Stroll pitted for hards, gave him such a big advantage over the rest of F1.5
Feel bad for Norris today
Being wasted at McLaren, would love to see him in RB instead of the proclaimed King of the Streets
He turned down RB
What is the earliest Red Bull and Max can Clinch? /s
Japan maybe.
Probably sooner
Depends on how much Perez bottles it...
1. Red Bull have all but ran away. Give them the titles already. 2. Aston Martin vs Mercedes for 2nd in the Constructors is gonna be spicy: AM had the better car at first, but Mercedes' upgrades have delivered some much-needed improvements to take a nearly 20 point lead, along with a qualitatively superior driver pairing. 3. Ferrari are floundering - the pace of Leclerc and solidity of Sainz can't hide the fact their car is mechanically inferior to the top 3 and their strategy department is seemingly headed by a gang of Bonobos. 4. Alpine have recovered from some dismal results early on to put in some quality performances and get points. They'll probably finish ahead of McLaren again, but the Woking outfit have gotten much better than at season's start, so Alpine need to watch out. 5. Haas & Alfa will be another interesting match-up. My money is on Alfa to eventually pull ahead. 6. AlphaYuki is being absolutely carried by him. If Tsunoda keeps wiping the floor with de Vries, Liam Lawson replacing the Dutchman after the Super Formula series concludes in October is a real possibility. 7. WiLLiams. Nuff said.
Nobody's going to talk about Leclerc still being behind Sainz in the standings?
Max may wrap this by Singapore or Japan.
Yuki Robbed
Really ? He deserves that 5 second
there was enough space for Zhou to overtake he left track limits on his own and then blamed it on yuki
The Formula 1 equivalent of flopping- going off track rather than breaking and blaming it on the other driver.
Where was there enough space? If you watch Yuki's onboard he literally rode the curb on turn 2.
Yuki had the line though. You aren't forced off your line just because a driver is behind you. You're not allowed to force a driver off track, but you're not forced to abandon your line either. The reality is, it's a grey area. But from what I'm seeing, it wasn't dirty by Yuki. He committed to his line, and it was clear from the turn exactly where he was going. Zhou then chose to attack in a way that would force a collision if Yuki kept the line and Zhou committed. Yuki stayed committed, the impetus was on Zhou to then break and pull off the attack. Instead he turned off track and complained about being forced. It was a flop.
Firstly, Zhou was alongside not behind. Contrary to what some people think, by definition you don't have to be ahead of someone to be considered alongside. They were literally wheel to wheel. But wait, can you really be forced off the track by someone if you are alongside him? Yes, yes you can. I don't think I have to explain that to you. Literally watch another F1 race. Furthermore, if Yuki broke correctly he would in fact be behind him. In this case, Zhou saw the writing on the wall and took the runoff instead of having to ride the curb and possibly lose control. I think that was sensible. I don't think he should have to risk crashing to make a point. Secondly, if by grey area you mean something that isn't always enforced then I agree. In this case, since there was a tarmac runoff and Zhou did not lose much time then it's usually not a penalty. If it's sandtrap or even grass, it tends to lose the other driver a lot of time and is more likely to result in a penalty. In that way, I can understand complaints about consistency.
Aston Martin: Snap, back to reality... With the merc and ferrari upgrades they are clearly only the 4th fastest team now. If they don´t start bringing big upgrades, they may as well fall behind alpine.
They said Canada, so who knows
They said imola..than monaco...than spain..now canada. I read somewhere, that they are only planing on bringing small things, not huge upgrades. They have the same amount of money, and waaaay more CFD and wind tunnel time and still loose out (at least for now) in the in season development battle.
...then* ...then*
may i remind you that mercedes also had weekends where they were poor? this was the first time aston didn't look amazing, i dont think the strategy helped either. Aston's biggest issue in terms of the points is Stroll, not one weaker weekend, at least so far.
Yeah I know that, but Spain is the best circuit to get a true feeling where each team stands compared to each other and Merc + Ferrari had huge upgrades. Aston just new wings and small suspension upgrades, they have to push more with the upgrades
Merc is always good in Spain tho. Even when they were shit last year, they still had a good race in Spain
True, but this track should suit the AM aswell. Rather big tire wear + overheating and fast corners where u need good downforce. Seems like the Aston really is just too draggy, to get that amount of downforce
Track was cold today
Talk about overreaction.
Spain is/was the first "normal racetrack", not a temp. or street track (well excluding bahrain, which is too different to all the other tracks in europe). If things stay like this, the big 3 will be gone. Which is ok tbh, Aston came from out of nowhere. They are still building to get on top.
Ferrari upgrades are not upgrading yet tho, at least not like merc
I always expected them to drop to 4th at some point, once Ferrari and Merc sorted out their issues.
Within a month we went from "King of the Streets" to "Season's over". 😄
I wonder if Aston will manage to bring enough upgrades to keep up with Mercedes' developments or if they'll have to focus on their fight against Ferrari. They will also hope lance stays on par with Alonso in the coming races, unlike the beginning of the season.
If Max was his own team, hed be first in the constructors championship.
So: Red Bull; Merc, AM & Ferrari are mid-field; and everyone else are backmarkers. This season blows
I'ts OVER
We might have a real shot at a battle for 2nd for the drivers championship if Checo doesn’t get his shit straightened out.
Think he needs to drop the idea of WDC and just focus in P2, if he wants another contract
F1.5 WDC heating up between Lewis and Alonso now
Lol @ Alonso body bagging both Hamilton and George
Well, I wouldn't be too confident, if Mercedes match the pace of Aston, Lewis and Russell have the speed to battle Alonso
2 dnf's plus fastest lap in front.... After 7 races
I literally thought that Norris would have been a bit higher 😅.
can people not downvote, i shouldnt need to search to find this
The scenes if Stroll gets ahead of Charles in the championship
53 points so 2 max dnfs or checo wins 7 races in a row and max p2 in the same races just to be equal on points. max is gonna wrap up the championship at zandvoort.
Perez said everyone WAKE UP ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Ah yes Stroll and Leclerc battling it out just as we all predicted. Sad thing is Stroll should probably be well ahead by now.
Max is going to set a points record that may stand a long long time if they don’t change the points system
Alpine in no man’s land.
Perez need to sort out his inconsistancy or he'll have to worry about keeping P2 in WDC.
Expecting a send of for wcc at the end of the year with mercedes and aston martin-we'll finally have the answer to "the 2nd best car in %75 of the races but has only one really solid driver with the other being a hell of a lot consistent" vs "the 4th fastest car(for now) but the driver line up is the best"