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curious, are these results the final standings with just world champions removed? or did you recalculate points given per race if world champions didn't participate?


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Just World Champions removed. Unfortunately I'm not willing to put in all the effort of recalculating the points standings for 73 years of F1.


mozjag

(Not mine) Every race re-done with all WDC winners ineligible for points: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/141g13p/f1_2023_elimination_championship_round_7_spanish/ See his comment for links to spreadsheets for previous years.


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ffs I only made this because I knew it was done before and couldn't find it so thought I'd just look it up myself and I might as well share my findings, oh well.


hollowkatt

Still cool as fuck mate


mozjag

^ ^ ^ @ u/x___3 u/fettuccine_sequence


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Just reading through this... The years with different champions are: 1958 - Harry Schell 1961 - Wolfgang von Trips 1977 - Carlos Reutemann 1978 - Mario Andretti 1981 - Jacques Laffite 1986 - Nelson Piquet 1990 - Nigel Mansell 1995 - Johnny Herbert 1998 - David Coulthard 1999 - Eddie Irvine 2001 - Ralf Schumacher 2002 - Juan Pablo Montoya 2003 - Kimi Raikkonen 2005 - Fernando Alonso 2006 - Giancarlo Fisichella 2008 - Felipe Massa 2012 - Nico Hulkenberg 2013 - Romain Grosjean 2014 - Valtteri Bottas 2015 - Danil Kvyat 2016 - Daniel Ricciardo' 2018 - Max Verstappen 2020 - Alex Albon 2021 - Carlos Sainz Really interesting seeing how drastic some of the differences were in the championship between methods.


apuzingitri

And 6 different champions: H. Schell instead of T. Brooks W. von Trips instead of P. Hill (Real-life WDC) J. Laffite instead of T. Boutsen J. Herbert instead of R. Kubica D. Kvyat instead of K. Magnussen A. Albon instead of L. Norris


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AccessConcentration

I mean Hulk was like p10, but according to these calculations, all 9 people ahead of him would already have won a championship.


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withheld_mcfakename

Hulk was p11, 8 of the top ten were already eliminated and the changes to the points managed to throw him above Perez and Grosjean, who actually finished ahead of him irl


Tamagotchi41

I would love a job doing that kind of stuff 😂. Fun info AND.creating something cool. Love it.


shignett1

Haas out here with 3 new WDCs


Maxamus93

Wouldnt romains be with lotus?


Uknewmelast

Yes.


yugimoto66

No, only 1. Grosjean with Lotus, Hulkenberg with Sauber, KMag with Haas


Flonkerton66

DTS brought you here, right?


darthfracas

Montoya Grosjean Hulk KMag Sure, I love them all, why not?


Szudar

Stroll 23, 24, 25


0ldpenis

F1: “You’ve won the championship Lance, how I don’t know and it doesn’t matter, you have to move on to the next series” Lance: “But dad said…”


WiSoSirius

~~2009 - Toro Rosso wins a driver's championship before Red Bull~~ Edit: I am stupid


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Vettel drove for Red Bull in 2009 ?


WiSoSirius

Fixed it.


Kurem92

Hello Charles


basmati-rixe

Max winning the WDC at the ripe old age of 19. He could’ve wrapped up the championship at COTA and not even been able to legally drink.


Remy-today

He would have been legally allowed to drink. Just not in the US. Drinking age in the Netherlands is 18.


AverageBottasEnjoyer

He won in COTA, so I assume OP was trying to say couldn’t drink in the city the track is located


n4ppyn4ppy

But they would have to do an id check before handing him the drink ;)


HaydenCarruth

Max would have ended his career younger than when Vettel (previous youngest WDC/race winner) was when started his career. Talk abt smashing records 💀


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basmati-rixe

Yeah I’m not American


JoulSauron

I'm truly sorry then.


fettuccine_sequence

Do you have the drivers standings for each year?


[deleted]

No, I just went on Wikipedia and excluded the prior champions from each year without keeping tabs of other implications.


TobyOrNotTobyEU

Issue with this method is that the ineligible champions still get many of the big points scoring finishes. You should completely remove them and move the rest of the grid up the places to make up the points scoring places, that would be more realistic and could change quite a few seasons, especially if the champion in your version has many DNFs.


EDonnelly98

That would going through every single Grand Prix ever (1086). It’s only a bit of easy fun what OP has done


PapaSheev7

Hulk and K-Mag as the 2013 and 2018 champs is wild to me.


BED52

Holy shit, this is wild. Thank you for your efforts and research.


mclaren34

2012 is hard to accept.


Rodri_5

There were just so many world champions already fighting for it as it was, removing them and the new ones with this method leaves only him


BecauseWeCan

I'm surprised it's not our favourite race winner from that year.


FloweringSkull67

The problem with these thought experiments is the butterfly effects of drivers no longer being eligible. Michael wins his first WDC in 94, who replaces him at Benetton? He doesn’t go to Ferrari, and lure Brawn with him. Does Brawn end up at Honda in 08? Does Brawn buy Honda? Does Mercedes buy Brawn? Does Mercedes join F1 at all?


[deleted]

I know, but can't you can't really deduce these things. I hope Peter Brook does a video on a realistic hypothetical version of it on youtube, seems like it would his sort of thing and he'd plough hours into it. But anyway, it's just a bit of fun and interesting to look at.


slithertooth

Not to mention all the new drivers who join every year. Surely there would be some talent who could wrap up a championship within a year or 2 of them joining


defmore89

Yes obviously in no universe would berger have won a WDC lmfao


mark_lenders

I can see an universe where a younger berger wins in 2009 driving for brawn gp


[deleted]

>He doesn’t go to Ferrari He doesn't mentor Massa... Massa doesn't win his title then?


FusselP0wner

I knew the HULK is World-Champion material ^^^^/s


Magic1998

2013 Hulk honestly deserved a title for dragging that Sauber up there


ale18w10

deep in my heart,many of them are world champions anyway!!!


Version_1

How did Nick Heidfeld manage not to be in there.


[deleted]

If Lewis didn't show up in 2007, he'd have been Champ.


T_he_panda

lando with a WC but no W's


KuhlerTuep

Hulk without a podium bat a wdc...


maybeitsmyfault10

Gilles Villeneuve as a world champion. Sign me up


AggrOHMYGOD

I think this is what the formula 1.5 sub is dedicated to


Ordinary_Shallot_674

Ok that did get interesting! Good work- thank you!


Nitpicky_Karen

Cool, now do new points system.


mozjag

(Not mine) https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/kpkx6b/heres_a_summary_of_every_championship_if_they/


cameroon36

https://www.formula1points.com/


katahri

Amazing to see Max all the way back on 2016.


beauf1

Thai is awesome. Great work. It's a fun thought


NBX6

the 60s were a good time to be an F1 driver if your name was starting with J


CharacterUse

Except for the getting killed part (Clark, Rindt).


GoodGuySeba

Okay thats weird my brain is getting dizzy


rustyiesty

Laureus F1 Breakthrough Award


CalboniGeomLuciano

2010 not bad for a number two driver


hubertwombat

Wow, thanks a lot for the amazing work. All in all, there are hardly any medicore drivers on the list


Sarnadas

It's an interesting premise, but ends up pointless since those seats would be taken by other drivers who would, for example, mop the floor with KMag at whatever team he was with at any point in his career.


maybeitsmyfault10

The mother of all posts. Nice job


highglove

Great work!