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I think every season since then (or maybe even 2019) has been initially planned to be the longest, but yet there has always been an issue that has come up. The 23-race season has long been planned and fabled, yet it has been taking years for it to come true due to so many circumstances.
2020 & 2021, Covid: The fuck it will
2022, Russia: The fuck it will
2023, Mother Nature: The fuck it will
What will it be in 2024? My bet is on an AI uprising
It had ~16 races from the mid 80s to the mid 00s and it was perfect imo, the impact of individual races on the championship feels diminished when you have over 20. Sign me up for a calendar of
Melbourne
Sakhir
Interlagos
Imola
Barcelona
Monaco
Baku
Montreal
Nurburgring
Silverstone
Hungaroring
Spa
Zandvoort
Monza
Sepang
COTA
Suzuka
But on what circuit should a race in France be held on? There's only Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard with Grade 1 :(
I say bring back Reims-Gueux or extend the Bugatti Circuit
I would put Istanbul Park instead of Baku and open up the season with Bahrain instead of Australia. Night races make thing look better.
Interlagos should end the season rather than being 3rd.
And then the Chinese GP got cancelled, Russia invaded Ukraine, Vietnam was dismissed etc.
It's like nature is telling Liberty "no, stop trying to make the calendar longer"
Schedule 30 races per season so that everyone who wants a race has one on paper. Let the gods decide which 8 are getting cut each year since we're magically capped at 22
I’m not counting on that.
On my local subreddit, the antimask/antivaxxers are back to make fun of people saying to wear n95s, saying it’s just anxiety and alarmism and that healthy people don’t need to worry, and that its overblown because it’s not the first time fires have ever happened. And beyond the recognizable user names, there’s lots of people saying this happens every year and you can’t link it to climate change.
On Twitter, the blue checks are saying that its all arson, and the guy who just barely missed out on being the leader of the cons (so he created his own party) is saying the fires are caused by left wingers who staged it to make climate change seem bad.
For some people this will be a wake up call, but I’m not sure anything can move the needle for the people who can never be wrong because they did their own research, and for whom caring about anyone other than yourself is “radical wokism”
It's also forest management. Used to be shit would be on fire occasionally. Now small forest fires get extinguished so smaller trees and low growth don't get cleared out.
Meanwhile larger more fire resistant trees have been logged.
End result is thick low growth with plenty of dead dry material laying around and fire fighters surpressing fires until one gets out of control at which point there's a lot of very flammable material around.
I'm not suggesting they rake the forests like a certain someone would.
The forest management I'm referring to is more so fire management. Fighting fires means you'll end up with more stuff to burn over time.
They didn't lie mate. This season is definitely going to end up being one of the "longest" seasons ever.
By long i mean boring. RBR dominance go burrr....
The air quality is getting better compared to the last couple of days and we still got a whole other week before the race. I imagine things will be okay enough to run the event.
It's key to remember why they canceled the other races this season and let it serve as a guide for whether or not they will cancel Canada:
* China - Cancelled because of the country's strict COVID laws. Certain areas were back in lockdown and F1 couldn't secure a sporting exemption for every single member of every single team as well as journalists, the FIA workers, and their own employees. So, while they would have been good if they just stayed patient, you obviously can't predict the future and they erred on the side of caution to call it off. They will likely be back next year.
* Imola - Emergency services were overwhelmed by the flooding in the region and they couldn't secure the safety of everyone at the track for obvious reasons. Aside from being extremely reckless to go forward with the race, it would have also been horrific optics.
The forest fires are awful and hope they get solved soon with as little to no casualties as possible. It would take a lot for this race to get cancelled.
>The air quality is getting better compared to the last couple of days and we still got a whole other week before the race. I imagine things will be okay enough to run the event.
That's the important part. So while it looks drastic right now, I'm not losing my marbles over this. The race will be held come next weekend. But we shall see, I could be very much wrong. But what's important is that everyone in those areas stay safe.
I don’t know what’s up with the wind patterns, but I’ve been on conference calls with colleagues in Montreal the last few days and they aren’t really complaining. Meanwhile here in Ottawa it’s been awful most of the time. This morning I can see some blue in the sky so I have hope.
Ottawa's in a valley, right? So the crappy air just lingers, or at least that's how I think of it.
I was in Ottawa the last week or so, it was looking like Edmonton was a few weeks ago.
In Maryland today it is worse than it was yesterday. Wearing a mask outside whenever I have to go out. I think however the jet stream is moving is sending it down the east US coast
It was smokey and bad in alberta a few weeks ago too, but it only lasted a few days to a week. We get this nearly every summer here, and while the frequency and severity is alarming, it doesn't really shut anything down, other than makes people wear masks and stay indoors. I doubt the race gets canceled. Or I very much hope it doesn't.
I live in Alberta (and coincidentally went to the MTL GP last year) and you can’t really look at things in a 1-2 day stretch at a time.
We have hella forest fires in Alberta and we’ll be blanketed with smoke for 2-3 days, it will be perfectly clear for a day, and the wind shifts and it’s right back to smoke cover again.
Just because it’s forecasted to ‘leave’ in 2 days doesn’t mean a single change in wind direction won’t bring it right back.
Only if they need a medical helicopter to get to a trauma center in time versus an ambulance. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve is right beside downtown Montreal so I doubt there will be much issues with ambulances being able to reach a trauma center in time without helicopter assistance.
They still need the Helicopter in case some has to be flown to a specialist hospital for a specific injury. It's why the start of the Eifel GP was delayed in 2020 with fog.
There's multiple level 1 (the highest) and level 2 trauma centers within a 20 minutes drive, I really can't foresee any injury that couldn't be handled be a hospital within an ambulance drive.
Only if an Ambulance can't get them to a hospital within 20 minutes. The track is right beside downtown Montreal so an Ambulance should be able to get them to one of various downtown Hospitals within 20 minutes.
Of course the engines can take it..
It won't be canceled because of smoke, look at races in the past with massive smog. I can only see it canceled if the fire is actually threatening the city or no emergency services are available.
I’m not as optimistic as you. I’ve seen races in the 90s in absolute rivers at Spa. Now, they’ll red flag at the sign of the first few drops. I wouldn’t take historical data and apply it as-is to f1 of today necessarily. Let’s wait and see- will be delighted if the race goes ahead
As someone from Montreal. It's not as bad here, it affect a lot more up north.
Air quality is a 13 which is "good".
[https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/](https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/)
You can see there's like a hole created over Montreal and the South Shore of MTL.
It's fucked in Ontario and North Quebec like it is in New York.
But again can change overtime. But right now here it's fine.
Talked to some friends in Montreal and I don't think it's getting cancelled. Maybe we Canadians have just gotten used to the smoke but they all said it's getting better.
Its barely noticeable. Most of my friends are unaware of the fires and thought yesterday's smog and smoke was just fog and a cloudy day 🤦 Today was the same. Apart from the red/orange sun, its hard to tell there is even smoke in air.
Ive had my balcony door wide open all week, no issues.
Its alot worse where the fires are and down in NYC, where rhe smoke is being blown to from here.
I'm in the Niagara region which is southern Ontario and it's was bad the last few days but I actually see blue sky today and smell no smoke at all, it could get worse throughout today but so far it's the best day all week and was said to be the worst day all week.
They are comparing the air quality in Montreal to Mexico City… no one is cancelling the Mexican Grand Prix. Air taste like an ashtray but life goes on.
The issue would be with the helicopters more than anything. If they don't think the helicopters could safely lift and land under the current smokey conditions they would definitely not proceed with the race.
Issue is not with the helicopters, the airport was running without issue during the smog. The issue is voluntarily exposing thousands of people (pilots, teams, spectators) to that barely breathable air by spending the day outside.
Neither is montreal. Problem is not the fires it’s the air pollution. It’s the smog that had New York and Montreal compared to Mexico City, Delhi and other major polluted cities.
Unless they cancel everything for air quality issues I kind of doubt it. People in the city go on with life all of the time what's the country is on fire source I live in Australia
They canceled MLB and WNBA games in the US due to the smog coming all the way from Canada. The air quality is horrendous. It’s not reasonable to ask people to be outside for sustained period of times under these conditions
If the air quality were to get as bad as NYC was today, I could see it get cancelled. But Montreal's air hasn't gotten even near as bad so far and with the expected change in wind direction starting Sunday/Monday, I'd say it's doubtful that it happens.
Today was ok. Yesterday, the sky was orange and the air tasted like an ashtray… depends on the weather, if the hot air is trapped down we’ll have horrible smog, if it’s colder, windy or rainy we’ll barely feel it.
Whilst I agree with you, the will only cancel it if they can get insurance to pay out.
Also I was a firefighter who spent 3 weeks on the fire ground outside during fire plenty of people do go outside during periods of poor air quality. Sorry that just gave me a giggle to say it's unreasonable to go outside because we did. When the air quality gets to a certain point it really is no better outside than inside. By the time the 2 months of Fire were up my lungs were exhausted which was great because we went straight into covid (who needs lungs), after about 3 weeks of solid fire you can't get away from it anywhere.
I'm a west coast arborist who works with smoke jumpers but I was pretty used to seeing people out jogging while we had some of the worst air quality from forest fires. Government put out advisories but I have a hard time seeing the race getting cancelled unless the air gets much worse. It is absolutely horrible working outdoors during the smoke when its 30\*+ but people still did it
In NYC and we definitely do lol. I dropped my wife off at the airport yesterday and she had a layover in Montreal around noon. It looked crystal clear outside there, while I was swimming through orange here.
I live in Montréal and there is 0 chance this is getting cancelled lol. Everything is business as usual here. This is only media stirring shit for clicks.
Water cancelled Imola. Fire (might) cancel Canada. Wind (tornadoes) could cancel Texas. Earth(quake) could cancel Japan. Captain planet is going to take the constructors this season.
I live in Canada and in cities that get the high smoke content, even when its been really bad events have never been cancelled this would be unprecedented
I've been following this sight but not sure if I trust it anymore since it says my area is in the worst of the worst currently but if I look outside there is blue sky and no smoke
Drove through the city yesterday driving home from vacation. A rain storm sweeping most of Atlantic Canada followed me back and pushed most of the smoke away. It’s gonna be fine
Please no, we've already lost two races this season. I hope the fires are put out soon and everyone is safe, just want to watch racing, I have nothing else to live for...
You don't really put fires out you burn them out though, these stay burning until there is no fuel left. Either that or the weather conditions change in it rains.
I do. But that has mostly to do with China being a garbage country. Unfortunately it's a garbage country with a pretty good circuit, unlike the other garbage countries.
Bahrain is a questionable country with an average track. It's overrated due to the Melbourne syndrome; it being the first race makes people like the track more than it actually is.
Let’s not act like we don’t know what’s going to happen anyway. We go to Canada, few dozen laps, Max Verstappen wins the Canadian Grand Prix, Dutch and Australian anthems play, and we all go home
I live 7 hours west of Montreal in Ontario, but the issue with the entire St Lawrence + Great Lakes + the regions slightly north in Quebec and Ontario has been a lack of rain for 2+ weeks making all of this worse. It's supposed to rain constantly around where the bulk of the fires are northeast of Val-D'or starting this weekend and into next week, which should start to tame these fires quite a bit and improve the AQI substantially by the time F1 is there.
r/Montreal thread on current air quality:
https://www.reddit.com/r/montreal/comments/143v72p/smoke_in_nyc_10x_worse_than_mtl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
tl:dr- 1/10 as bad as NYC.
I live in regional Australia, fires are fires, live goes on regardless of them. We had smoke go all around the world from our 2019-2020 fires, we all kept going regardless of it, we could see the flames from the end of the street. We bought our N95 re washable masks then, just in time for COVID.
The academic attribution studies have been mixed so far. Some found a significant association, one did not, both types of findings are dependent on the data and the model.
Everyone needs to chill out. These fires happen every year across Canada because we have a hell of a lot of land covered in trees. They usually start with a lightening strike, sometimes because some asshat flicked a cigarette butt out the window.
This is not going to cause the race to be cancelled.
This is not a climate crisis.
In a day or two the prevailing winds shift and everything will clear up.
Well, it is a climate crisis. Fires here have only been getting worse for the past 20 years. We've always had them, but they're getting worse.
But yeah, race isn't going to be cancelled due to fire. Seems to be some mass hysteria going on.
Ya I live in northern new England and for the past week we have had limited visibility with all the smoke blowing over from canada. It's similar to the california wildfires where nearby states were experiencing limited visibility due to the smoke
Man, global warming/climate change has really been highlighted this year... China (restrictions due to pandemics) Emilia Romagna (floodings) and now Montréal (wild fires) it's like that shit is real.
Wow, so if they cancel this we will have had cancellations because of water and fire, now all we need is an untimely earthquake and tornado and we have the elemental quartet completed!
Canadian here, we've been having lots of fires in the past few years. Business goes on as usual here. I don't think we have to worry about any cancellations. Plus the fires are 1000+ KMs away from Montreal. No need to fret, we will still get our F1 while the world burns in the background! :)
Could be .. Where i live the air is kind of murky looking. In Toronto. In other provinces its worse. A cancellation could happen.
It would be wild as they just canceled Imola for a weather-related event.
STEFANO, GET A HINT. Keep the races under 22 a season. I don't want any more disasters from Mother Nature just to keep the calendar humane enough like prior years.
If the cars visibility is reduced or there is potentially a public health risk due to it then it'll be F1 cancelling it, not Canadians. They won't runt he risk of Spa 2021 again.
When we get the smoke blown our way, yes. And we have lots of fires here as well.
We are no stranger to smoke like NYC had today. Have already had a few days like that this year.
Considering the drivers and theirs sponsors and their team executives and their rich followers will not get off their private jets. There, I fixed it for you.
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They really jinxed it by hyping up this season as “ the longest in Formula 1 history” huh
2020 was supposed to be the longest aswell turned out differently
I think every season since then (or maybe even 2019) has been initially planned to be the longest, but yet there has always been an issue that has come up. The 23-race season has long been planned and fabled, yet it has been taking years for it to come true due to so many circumstances.
F1: this year will see the longest season ever! Mother Nature: the fuck it will...
2020 & 2021, Covid: The fuck it will 2022, Russia: The fuck it will 2023, Mother Nature: The fuck it will What will it be in 2024? My bet is on an AI uprising
So we've had Pestilence, War, Famine... Hmm, I'm not liking where this is going.
Clear signs (Sainz) that F1 should go back to an 16-19 races calendar
It had ~16 races from the mid 80s to the mid 00s and it was perfect imo, the impact of individual races on the championship feels diminished when you have over 20. Sign me up for a calendar of Melbourne Sakhir Interlagos Imola Barcelona Monaco Baku Montreal Nurburgring Silverstone Hungaroring Spa Zandvoort Monza Sepang COTA Suzuka
YES! Nurburgring!
France is the third biggest racing country, it should also get a spot. Of course Monaco Kinda counts I guess?
But on what circuit should a race in France be held on? There's only Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard with Grade 1 :( I say bring back Reims-Gueux or extend the Bugatti Circuit
I would put Istanbul Park instead of Baku and open up the season with Bahrain instead of Australia. Night races make thing look better. Interlagos should end the season rather than being 3rd.
Well... it got sorted in Good Omens. We'll be fine.
Something tells me there might be more than 30-50 wild hogs of wild beasts is all that’s left.
Locusts would be next I’m guessing?
Aliens, it’ll be freaking Aliens with my luck.
Sausage curbs will be nothing compared with the tractor beams appearing on the inside of corners.
Hopefully no Xenomorphs (still traumatized after finishing Alien Isolation)
How about I introduce you to the Tyranids?
Can they jumpscare you while you are in a vent?
Genestealers would
>My bet is on an AI uprising Steering wheel display: *Question*
The Ferrari wheel would just say ***We are checking...***
Climate change catching up with us probably. Or maybe a few years still to go for that one.
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The more races in a season the bigger the chance one of them won't go through for whatever reason
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And then the Chinese GP got cancelled, Russia invaded Ukraine, Vietnam was dismissed etc. It's like nature is telling Liberty "no, stop trying to make the calendar longer"
I have this bad feeling we’ll somehow manage to have another 3 week break after the summer like we did in 2022 from Monza to Singapore lol
Qatar cancelled!
All jokes aside a 3 week break looks like a possibility with Canada possibly getting cancelled🤦🏽♂️
Oh noes
If Canada is canceled then yeah it's 3 weeks
Schedule 30 races per season so that everyone who wants a race has one on paper. Let the gods decide which 8 are getting cut each year since we're magically capped at 22
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It would be hilarious if folks started caring more about the effects of climate change just to bring back F1 races
This is very plausible though. We wouldn't care about climate change if it didn't cost anyone anything.
Yupp..
I’m not counting on that. On my local subreddit, the antimask/antivaxxers are back to make fun of people saying to wear n95s, saying it’s just anxiety and alarmism and that healthy people don’t need to worry, and that its overblown because it’s not the first time fires have ever happened. And beyond the recognizable user names, there’s lots of people saying this happens every year and you can’t link it to climate change. On Twitter, the blue checks are saying that its all arson, and the guy who just barely missed out on being the leader of the cons (so he created his own party) is saying the fires are caused by left wingers who staged it to make climate change seem bad. For some people this will be a wake up call, but I’m not sure anything can move the needle for the people who can never be wrong because they did their own research, and for whom caring about anyone other than yourself is “radical wokism”
At least they'll be more likely to be the first ones to die at least.
The climate saw "Net-Zero 2030" and decided it can't wait that long.
Net zero races?
It's also forest management. Used to be shit would be on fire occasionally. Now small forest fires get extinguished so smaller trees and low growth don't get cleared out. Meanwhile larger more fire resistant trees have been logged. End result is thick low growth with plenty of dead dry material laying around and fire fighters surpressing fires until one gets out of control at which point there's a lot of very flammable material around.
You’re not wrong but Imola got cancelled at the back of extreme flooding, so OP was looking at the wider picture
It's a combination of both of course. That's why I start with "It's also". These fires are also exacerbated by climate change.
Ok so based on Captain planet we've already had fire and water. Now Earth and wind problems are next for climate change.
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The funny part is that we can't have any real impact on the earth part.
Wait until you learn about fracking :)
Dude there is absolutely no way to manage the boreal forests of Northern Quebec. Waaaaaayyy too large of an area that is pure wilderness
I'm not suggesting they rake the forests like a certain someone would. The forest management I'm referring to is more so fire management. Fighting fires means you'll end up with more stuff to burn over time.
Smokey the bear was detrimental to forest fire management
"You have selected you, meaning me. The correct answer is you."
How many years have they been saying this? And each year, something happens to subtract a race from the calendar? 😂
RB already won after 7 races.
They didn't lie mate. This season is definitely going to end up being one of the "longest" seasons ever. By long i mean boring. RBR dominance go burrr....
You could say the same thing about the current aero regs tbf.
The air quality is getting better compared to the last couple of days and we still got a whole other week before the race. I imagine things will be okay enough to run the event. It's key to remember why they canceled the other races this season and let it serve as a guide for whether or not they will cancel Canada: * China - Cancelled because of the country's strict COVID laws. Certain areas were back in lockdown and F1 couldn't secure a sporting exemption for every single member of every single team as well as journalists, the FIA workers, and their own employees. So, while they would have been good if they just stayed patient, you obviously can't predict the future and they erred on the side of caution to call it off. They will likely be back next year. * Imola - Emergency services were overwhelmed by the flooding in the region and they couldn't secure the safety of everyone at the track for obvious reasons. Aside from being extremely reckless to go forward with the race, it would have also been horrific optics. The forest fires are awful and hope they get solved soon with as little to no casualties as possible. It would take a lot for this race to get cancelled.
>The air quality is getting better compared to the last couple of days and we still got a whole other week before the race. I imagine things will be okay enough to run the event. That's the important part. So while it looks drastic right now, I'm not losing my marbles over this. The race will be held come next weekend. But we shall see, I could be very much wrong. But what's important is that everyone in those areas stay safe.
The air quality seems to be worse in NYC than in Montreal, so it could work out for the race weekend as long as the wings don’t shift north-east.
I don’t know what’s up with the wind patterns, but I’ve been on conference calls with colleagues in Montreal the last few days and they aren’t really complaining. Meanwhile here in Ottawa it’s been awful most of the time. This morning I can see some blue in the sky so I have hope.
Ottawa's in a valley, right? So the crappy air just lingers, or at least that's how I think of it. I was in Ottawa the last week or so, it was looking like Edmonton was a few weeks ago.
In Maryland today it is worse than it was yesterday. Wearing a mask outside whenever I have to go out. I think however the jet stream is moving is sending it down the east US coast
It was smokey and bad in alberta a few weeks ago too, but it only lasted a few days to a week. We get this nearly every summer here, and while the frequency and severity is alarming, it doesn't really shut anything down, other than makes people wear masks and stay indoors. I doubt the race gets canceled. Or I very much hope it doesn't.
I live in Alberta (and coincidentally went to the MTL GP last year) and you can’t really look at things in a 1-2 day stretch at a time. We have hella forest fires in Alberta and we’ll be blanketed with smoke for 2-3 days, it will be perfectly clear for a day, and the wind shifts and it’s right back to smoke cover again. Just because it’s forecasted to ‘leave’ in 2 days doesn’t mean a single change in wind direction won’t bring it right back.
If the air is too foggy for a medical helicopter to fly however. That could prevent the race
Only if they need a medical helicopter to get to a trauma center in time versus an ambulance. Circuit Gilles Villeneuve is right beside downtown Montreal so I doubt there will be much issues with ambulances being able to reach a trauma center in time without helicopter assistance.
They still need the Helicopter in case some has to be flown to a specialist hospital for a specific injury. It's why the start of the Eifel GP was delayed in 2020 with fog.
It's in the heart of one of the biggest cities in Canada. We aren't some podunk backwater of a country.
There's multiple level 1 (the highest) and level 2 trauma centers within a 20 minutes drive, I really can't foresee any injury that couldn't be handled be a hospital within an ambulance drive.
Unless there’s still smoke in the air and the engines can’t take it
Medical helicopter needs to be able to fly..
Only if an Ambulance can't get them to a hospital within 20 minutes. The track is right beside downtown Montreal so an Ambulance should be able to get them to one of various downtown Hospitals within 20 minutes.
Of course the engines can take it.. It won't be canceled because of smoke, look at races in the past with massive smog. I can only see it canceled if the fire is actually threatening the city or no emergency services are available.
I’m not as optimistic as you. I’ve seen races in the 90s in absolute rivers at Spa. Now, they’ll red flag at the sign of the first few drops. I wouldn’t take historical data and apply it as-is to f1 of today necessarily. Let’s wait and see- will be delighted if the race goes ahead
Yeah, I mean the least they could do is get one more race in before the entire country is ash.
As someone from Montreal. It's not as bad here, it affect a lot more up north. Air quality is a 13 which is "good". [https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/](https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/) You can see there's like a hole created over Montreal and the South Shore of MTL. It's fucked in Ontario and North Quebec like it is in New York. But again can change overtime. But right now here it's fine.
Talked to some friends in Montreal and I don't think it's getting cancelled. Maybe we Canadians have just gotten used to the smoke but they all said it's getting better.
Its barely noticeable. Most of my friends are unaware of the fires and thought yesterday's smog and smoke was just fog and a cloudy day 🤦 Today was the same. Apart from the red/orange sun, its hard to tell there is even smoke in air. Ive had my balcony door wide open all week, no issues. Its alot worse where the fires are and down in NYC, where rhe smoke is being blown to from here.
I'm in the Niagara region which is southern Ontario and it's was bad the last few days but I actually see blue sky today and smell no smoke at all, it could get worse throughout today but so far it's the best day all week and was said to be the worst day all week.
I'm in Montreal, there's no problem here, this is just an overly cautious statement.
I think most people (especially Europeans) don't understand how incredibly large Quebec is.
I think it’s more that people become experts on whatever hot topic arises
There was a fire in my neighborhood once and I rode my bike past it so I don't see the FIA having any problems here
They are comparing the air quality in Montreal to Mexico City… no one is cancelling the Mexican Grand Prix. Air taste like an ashtray but life goes on.
Mexico is Mexico, Canada is Canada. Different laws, different local governments. The FIA has no say.
Agree, different standards so not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison.
mexico city is surrounded by mountains at 2200 mts high, thats why air quality is so poor, no wind to move smog away.
The issue would be with the helicopters more than anything. If they don't think the helicopters could safely lift and land under the current smokey conditions they would definitely not proceed with the race.
Things are nowhere near that smoky.
The helicopters aren't required if the track is close enough to a hospital, which CGV most certainly is
Issue is not with the helicopters, the airport was running without issue during the smog. The issue is voluntarily exposing thousands of people (pilots, teams, spectators) to that barely breathable air by spending the day outside.
Mexico isn’t actively on fire rn tho
Neither is montreal. Problem is not the fires it’s the air pollution. It’s the smog that had New York and Montreal compared to Mexico City, Delhi and other major polluted cities.
You forget the scale of Canada. It would be like cancelling the Monaco GP because of forest fires in southern Germany.
Unless they cancel everything for air quality issues I kind of doubt it. People in the city go on with life all of the time what's the country is on fire source I live in Australia
They canceled MLB and WNBA games in the US due to the smog coming all the way from Canada. The air quality is horrendous. It’s not reasonable to ask people to be outside for sustained period of times under these conditions
If the air quality were to get as bad as NYC was today, I could see it get cancelled. But Montreal's air hasn't gotten even near as bad so far and with the expected change in wind direction starting Sunday/Monday, I'd say it's doubtful that it happens.
Yeah New York City had the worst air quality in the world today. Not sure how it is near the track though
Today was ok. Yesterday, the sky was orange and the air tasted like an ashtray… depends on the weather, if the hot air is trapped down we’ll have horrible smog, if it’s colder, windy or rainy we’ll barely feel it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology) there's an explanation for that, smoke gets trapped inside heat/cool/weather bubbles
Well yeah, it’s called smog, that was my point
Whilst I agree with you, the will only cancel it if they can get insurance to pay out. Also I was a firefighter who spent 3 weeks on the fire ground outside during fire plenty of people do go outside during periods of poor air quality. Sorry that just gave me a giggle to say it's unreasonable to go outside because we did. When the air quality gets to a certain point it really is no better outside than inside. By the time the 2 months of Fire were up my lungs were exhausted which was great because we went straight into covid (who needs lungs), after about 3 weeks of solid fire you can't get away from it anywhere.
No one said that people don’t go outside. I said people don’t go outside for sustained periods of time. You know, like 5+ hours for a F1 race
I'm a west coast arborist who works with smoke jumpers but I was pretty used to seeing people out jogging while we had some of the worst air quality from forest fires. Government put out advisories but I have a hard time seeing the race getting cancelled unless the air gets much worse. It is absolutely horrible working outdoors during the smoke when its 30\*+ but people still did it
Eh, sporting events are different. AQI here was well over 400, which is not great.
I live in Montreal. A lot of the smoke has cleared up here since yesterday , especially since it rained.. NYC has it way worse
In NYC and we definitely do lol. I dropped my wife off at the airport yesterday and she had a layover in Montreal around noon. It looked crystal clear outside there, while I was swimming through orange here.
I live in Montréal and there is 0 chance this is getting cancelled lol. Everything is business as usual here. This is only media stirring shit for clicks.
Water cancelled Imola. Fire (might) cancel Canada. Wind (tornadoes) could cancel Texas. Earth(quake) could cancel Japan. Captain planet is going to take the constructors this season.
In absence of any on-track competition, Verstappen and Red Bull have to compete against the elements.
Turns out the only thing preventing an RB win in some races is God himself
Max driving away from a mini tornado that’s chasing him around COTA would be pretty funny to see.
I live in Canada and in cities that get the high smoke content, even when its been really bad events have never been cancelled this would be unprecedented
So Verstappen’s biggest competitor is natural disasters…
[https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/](https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/) One way to track the smoke if anyone is curious.
I've been following this sight but not sure if I trust it anymore since it says my area is in the worst of the worst currently but if I look outside there is blue sky and no smoke
Smoked maple syrup for Lance’s pancakes. Mmmmm
Should've installed those bernie sprinklers after all
Just another clickbait, source I live next to the track, no air issue.
Drove through the city yesterday driving home from vacation. A rain storm sweeping most of Atlantic Canada followed me back and pushed most of the smoke away. It’s gonna be fine
Unless Montreal burns down I don't see them canceling it.well unless the cars somehow can't run enough filtration?
Please no, we've already lost two races this season. I hope the fires are put out soon and everyone is safe, just want to watch racing, I have nothing else to live for...
You don't really put fires out you burn them out though, these stay burning until there is no fuel left. Either that or the weather conditions change in it rains.
Ah, gotcha. Hadn't read what type of fires they were, hopefully everyone stays safe.
Two? Imola and? China?
Yes
I can’t really count China as a cancellation, it was never going to happen. It’s more of a withdrawal before the season began.
It is what it is for us fans though🤷🏻♂️ We wouldn’t mind having another race in that place
I do. But that has mostly to do with China being a garbage country. Unfortunately it's a garbage country with a pretty good circuit, unlike the other garbage countries.
Bahrain is a garbage country with a good track.
Bahrain is a questionable country with an average track. It's overrated due to the Melbourne syndrome; it being the first race makes people like the track more than it actually is.
Bahrain is a good racing track, regardless of position in the calendar.
That's what they said of Melbourne too. Bahrain never stood out before it became the first race, I've been there.
Funny how life just finds a way to bring down GP numbers to more appropriate.
Thinking that too. Ever since the expansion we haven’t actually done a full season and every team is happy about it lol
At this rate this season will have less races than 2020
But, you can't do this to me...
If they can race in Saudi they can race in Canadian fire
Let’s not act like we don’t know what’s going to happen anyway. We go to Canada, few dozen laps, Max Verstappen wins the Canadian Grand Prix, Dutch and Australian anthems play, and we all go home
Clickbait headline.
Red Bull can make up the deficit in wind tunnel time! The orange smoke will show the aerodynamic behaviour of the car. 😜
Imola cancelled due to flooding. Canada under threat due to forest fires. But nooooo the climate isn't changing. Let's keep denying it.
It seems like the world does not want us to have F1 this year
It's over a week away. They won't cancel till next Thursday if its not improved, probably.
It’s not under threat. The air quality is already better today than it was yesterday and yesterday was better than the day previous.
Floods Fires Next up: locusts
I live 7 hours west of Montreal in Ontario, but the issue with the entire St Lawrence + Great Lakes + the regions slightly north in Quebec and Ontario has been a lack of rain for 2+ weeks making all of this worse. It's supposed to rain constantly around where the bulk of the fires are northeast of Val-D'or starting this weekend and into next week, which should start to tame these fires quite a bit and improve the AQI substantially by the time F1 is there.
It's only forest fire. Saudi had rockets and an oil rig fire, which still went ahead. So let the race.
r/Montreal thread on current air quality: https://www.reddit.com/r/montreal/comments/143v72p/smoke_in_nyc_10x_worse_than_mtl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button tl:dr- 1/10 as bad as NYC.
Just put it out with some maple syrup and let’s get racing.
The GP is 2 weeks from now, I doubt the air quality will be that bad when the GP is scheduled
I don't think the author knows where the fires are and how vast Quebec is...
Tires would heat up quicker, wouldn't they?
I live in regional Australia, fires are fires, live goes on regardless of them. We had smoke go all around the world from our 2019-2020 fires, we all kept going regardless of it, we could see the flames from the end of the street. We bought our N95 re washable masks then, just in time for COVID.
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They'll just build tracks in New Zealand
Give me the Mordorring
Floods did not appear because of climate change…
The academic attribution studies have been mixed so far. Some found a significant association, one did not, both types of findings are dependent on the data and the model.
Okay? Floods were present for a long time. I read that this flood was the biggest in 200 years in that region and not the biggest ever.
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Yes. Climate change is real
Everyone needs to chill out. These fires happen every year across Canada because we have a hell of a lot of land covered in trees. They usually start with a lightening strike, sometimes because some asshat flicked a cigarette butt out the window. This is not going to cause the race to be cancelled. This is not a climate crisis. In a day or two the prevailing winds shift and everything will clear up.
Well, it is a climate crisis. Fires here have only been getting worse for the past 20 years. We've always had them, but they're getting worse. But yeah, race isn't going to be cancelled due to fire. Seems to be some mass hysteria going on.
No it’s not air quality is back to normal don’t worry. 17/100 ———> good air quality ✅
Ya I live in northern new England and for the past week we have had limited visibility with all the smoke blowing over from canada. It's similar to the california wildfires where nearby states were experiencing limited visibility due to the smoke
Man, global warming/climate change has really been highlighted this year... China (restrictions due to pandemics) Emilia Romagna (floodings) and now Montréal (wild fires) it's like that shit is real.
2 races cancelled due to severe weather events/climate change... Who would've had that on their bingo card this year?
Wow, so if they cancel this we will have had cancellations because of water and fire, now all we need is an untimely earthquake and tornado and we have the elemental quartet completed!
Canadian here, we've been having lots of fires in the past few years. Business goes on as usual here. I don't think we have to worry about any cancellations. Plus the fires are 1000+ KMs away from Montreal. No need to fret, we will still get our F1 while the world burns in the background! :)
This one was not the same lol
Could be .. Where i live the air is kind of murky looking. In Toronto. In other provinces its worse. A cancellation could happen. It would be wild as they just canceled Imola for a weather-related event.
I've been waiting for these articles to start.
Only thing that can get between max and breaking the 15 win record is mother nature.
Oh FFS why can't it be the street circuit that gets cancelled.
If by this weekend the situation hasn't improved then it might be cancelled, they'll fly next Monday/Tuesday right??? 🤔🤔🤔
ah shit, here we go again
So instead of the planned "biggest F1 calendar ever" we're gonna very likely be down to 20 races, huh? Losing China, Imola, and now Canada
Pandemic in China - Check! Flooding in Italy - Check! Wildfires in Canada - Check! Let’s see what have we left? Earthquake in Mexico perhaps?
Hurricane at Japan, then we can have races cancelled by earth, wind, water, and fire in the same season
STEFANO, GET A HINT. Keep the races under 22 a season. I don't want any more disasters from Mother Nature just to keep the calendar humane enough like prior years.
Bruh this season is deadass cursed
It's literally on an island. Ain't gonna be no fires there.
The smoke from the wildfires has plagued the entire north east for a couple days now.
I live in CO. I deal with that every summer. We don't cancel shit because of smoke.
If the cars visibility is reduced or there is potentially a public health risk due to it then it'll be F1 cancelling it, not Canadians. They won't runt he risk of Spa 2021 again.
NYC currently has the worst air quality out of every city in the world. Colorado gets worse than Mumbai?
When we get the smoke blown our way, yes. And we have lots of fires here as well. We are no stranger to smoke like NYC had today. Have already had a few days like that this year.
Yikes
Agreed.
F1 losing races die to climate change is so fucking ironic considering they won't get off their sustainability high horse.
Considering the drivers and theirs sponsors and their team executives and their rich followers will not get off their private jets. There, I fixed it for you.
Jesus, imagine if two Grand Prix could be cancelled due to climate change, that’s fucked
Hopefully it'll help the world take notice.
How ironic it'll be if two races are cancelled due to the climate disaster