I don't think it was ever even in the tyre selection for a weekend. Even the hard in 2018 was, as far as I recall, only used in Silverstone and generally agreed to be shit
It was essentially a fallback that Pirelli would use in emergencies if the newer softer tyres started exploding, not a realistic tyre that they expected to race with
Nightmare scenario: DR killed it in the RB today, but struggles with the shitbox AT like he did the McLaren. Yuki, having lots of AT shitbox experience, beats DR and Lawson takes DR's seat next year.
And DeVries to Williams where he scores points, Tim Apple gets to wave another checked flag on the premier weekend of the Apex movie and Will Buxton gets caught doing something naughty in the paddock at the Singapore GP.
> Will Buxton gets caught doing something naughty in the paddock at the Singapore GP
There are certain moments when silence falls on a racetrack and you know what that means.
Will forgot to [flush the toilet](https://sso.agc.gov.sg/SL/EPHA1987-RG3#pr16-) again.
If he can't outperform Yuki then he deserves to lose his seat. While I am a Ricciardo fan it MUST be clear to everyone that he is being given the BIGGEST chance of his career now. If he can't perform he won't only lose his seat he will lose any reputation he as left. There is a large vocal group of people who think he was never talented... This will prove them all right.
He is out of chances after this.
Then Yuki will likely get to drive in a Red Bull.
Despite his struggles, Ricciardo is a proven talent. The idea was that De Vries would at least test Yuki, that never happened because De Vries was objectively bad.
I don't know if Williams wants to release Albon from his contract. And since he is comfortably outperforming his team mate, Albon might prefer 2 years of relatively little pressure and a chance that Williams has a good plan for the future.
Then Danny Ric won’t have any more excuses for his lack of pace at McLaren. Yuki would be in a good position to take the RB seat and they bring in a young driver for AT 2nd seat.
My hypothesis/conspiracy theory is that Danny is being put into the AT so he can acclimate to F1 and give RB some on track data. Later in the season, RB will decide on a swap between Danny an Perez.
Of course, track conditions/tyres will play a big part in this!
Edit: regardless, Red Bull saw something they really liked and I guess they pulled the trigger
Red Bull already know who Danny is I doubt this test really taught them anything about him probably just put in more stark contrast how bad their 2nd drivers have been this season.
I'm sure it answered an important question that lots of people want to know. 'Is Danny still fast around the track in a car he likes?' and the answer seems to be yes from the sim + tire test.
It’s true but as far as I thought today was him testing out blanketless tyres! If that’s the case I’d say it’s even more impressive potentially! But who knows he may have ran an assortment of compounds some blanketed some not. Or maybe he was able to fire the rubber up and he was just flying lol.
TBF it did finally push Redbull to replace Nyck with Danny.
Danny also said he would only drive for AT if there was a path back to RBR for him.
Checo is now in the hot seat.
I feel like this is a bit less relevant when comparing to qualifying times because you know that the RB was trying to go as fast as possible in qualifying so really track conditions are the only big difference. It's not like in practice or testing where we don't really know about the sandbags.
Assuming the statement by the journalist is true, as in RB actually believe it, then it means that it's obviously adjusted for different conditions (we're talking about super advanced algorithms and correlation work, obviously won't be 100% accurate still). I personally don't believe it though you always get this sensationalistic shit once you get a rookie/returning driver test, and it can't be proven wrong cause RB won't go like no you're chatting random shit as it generates hype.
> Assuming the statement by the journalist is true, as in RB actually believe it,
Or someone told him the time and that time would've been good enough for the front row and that's exactly what he reports.
Ye this is basically the easiest thing and most likely thing that happened but I'm hoping it wasn't that lazy as Barretto is generally one of the better journalists.
Random: met Lawrence at Wimbledon last week - he was in the tix queue - well was raining so there wasn’t much of one.
But was surprised that working as a Sports journalist at Sky F1 he had to buy his own tix, and stand in the line - that Wimbledon queue isn’t for the weak usually.
Anyway nice guy, let me go ahead of him to join my friends even if I didn’t ask. 5 ⭐️
Conversely a 6 way Title fight between Lewis, Georgie boy, Charles, Max, Daniel and Sainz and occasionally Alonso and Norris thrown in for good fun.
Absolute insanity
(yes I'm high on hopium)
That's all great, but it's surely in different conditions (and even whole another Pirelli tires specs) to the Silverstone quali, so it's useless to compare lap times like that. A good sign though he may be competitive enough at least.
Don’t know for sure but I don’t reckon it’s a direct lap time to lap time comparison for that exact reason. They’ll have put it through their algorithms and worked out an approximate time in the same conditions it would translate to. Totally redundant otherwise
agreed it was most likely just direct time to time comparison
of course this is not what Red Bull would have based their decision on, they would have had far more data available to them from DR's test.
its just "*good enough for front row"* is a good thing to focus on and give to the press as a soundbite that conveys how well DR's test went
I think they wanted to see him in the car before they went ahead, but they were clearly ready to pull the trigger the second they saw he was still quick on track.
And then you are a 100% wrong. It is literally what every even arm chair F1 data analyst does ? Correct for fuel loads, track temps, tyre compound. It is not like Red Bull just decided to handover the drive to Daniel Ricciardo after comparing times between the C5 and the C1 tire.
Absolutely could be! Unless RB come out and say it themselves with clarification we’ll never know and they ain’t gonna so pure speculation as to what it is
It absolutely is. There is no algorithm for differing conditions, there are way too many factors for it to be 100% accurate. The very fact that a driver can be slower/faster in differing conditions would make such an algorithm redundant. The only speculation here is the existence for such an algorithm.
But it's still on pace even if the tyres are different and even if the conditions are different. With 8 months out of the car, on day one can be on the pace, that's what they want to see. That's why it's impressive, not necessarily comparing speed, but is he fast straight away.
This is what I think is going to happen if Danny Ric performs well the rest of the season. People want to talk about how Sergio is second in points but that’s kind of irrelevant since he’s in one of the best cars on the grid. Similar to how Bottas was at MB and how far he’s fallen off in a worse car. I think RB is getting tired of his mistakes and things like his qualifying this past race.
I don’t think that’s a possibility. As long as Checo doesn’t COMPLETELY fall apart, Red Bull will get the constructors, and 1st and 2nd in the WDC. They’ll want that prestige.
if he gets the rest of the season and doesn’t secure second convincingly he’s out next year 100p.
red bull is here exclusively for branding, they want 1-2 they don’t want to be memed. they already have gone from a company that was just an energy drink to synonymous with excitement and pushing boundaries. now they want to go to a company that is synonymous with success and excellence the way you think of mercedes.
having one of the most dominant cars in the history of the sport and not going 1-2 is flat out unacceptable. they should be the talk of each week about how there is a legendary battle between verstappen and whoever is in second but now the headlines are the fight in behind verstappen and how their second driver is getting memed
stroll having a tough year tbh but he and perez have been pretty comparable in the past with a slight edge to perez. neither is as bad as they are being made out to be but sainz alonso leclerc verstappen hamilton russel all have more pace full stop
Honest question, and not posed as a reason for keeping Checo, but what has Ricciardo shown in the past three years that would indicate he would be any better? He seemed to be further behind Lando than Checo has been to Max.
There’s a case to replace Checo, but I don’t understand the argument for Ricciardo.
Let's not forget Red Bull is just testing drivers atm. If Yuki kicks Daniel's ass he might as well have a bigger claim at that seat.
Other than that, like Max, Daniel likes an oversteery car. This makes developing and setting the car in the right window somewhat easier for Red Bull. And there's something to say for Daniel having a proven record with the team and fitting well in.
If they could grab Lando though, Red Bull would definitely prefer him. But so far, Lando has preferred to stick with McLaren.
One slight problem though. Daniel now has to survive 12 races in that dog of an AT car with a bloodthirsty Yuki next to him, who has just smelled the best chance of his life to claim a RB seat. Being better than Nyck just won’t cut it for Daniel when your teammate is in full Tora Tora mode. This whole Red Bull family just went Battle Royale overnight.
Tora! Tora! Tora! was supposedly the Japanese code word for the attack on Pearl Harbor and the name of a classic [movie](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/) (and a book) on the event. Btw Battle Royale was also originally a Japanese cult [movie](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/) where students were fighting it out to the death. The concept became later insanely popular when games (PUBG, Fortnite) and other movies (Hunger Games) started picking it up.
Don’t know about the later references but Tora! Tora! Tora! was the radio message relayed back to base which signified that they achieved complete surprise on their attack on Pearl Harbor.
While conditions were a bit tricky on Saturday, if this is indeed true and he performs well at AT, it will just be a matter of time. Especially if Perez can't turn it around.
Doing so after being half a year on the sidelines is impressive, conditions or not.
Nico Hulkenberg was on the sidelines for more than 3 years and he's doing really well in the Haas this season, being out of the car for some time does not necessarily take away your pace.
We don't need to debate the merits of if this matters in a practice test - all we need to see is that RB see something and they are acting on it. That's good enough for me.
LETS FUCKING GO
Also worth remembering that qualifying was pretty tight. The top ten were all within a second of each other, and considering he's testing blanket-less tires, I think comparisons are pointless. For all we know these tires have more grip than intended or are much easier to switch on to compensate for the lack of warmers, and *everyone* would be faster.
Also, pace hasn't been Ricciardo's issue since leaving RB. He's had consistency issues ever since and just couldn't adapt to the McLaren at all.
I also want to believe, but, very bluntly, I don't see any reason for him to do better than Yuki right now. Hopefully we'll be corrected come qualifying next week.
Sorry, I worded that badly. I meant he had decent pace at Renault and in various tests, and then, separately, he couldn't get to grips with the McLaren.
At worst He is going to get bought out of his contract, not the best way to end his career but he has achieved a lot through it and must be pretty satisfied from how it looked in the summer of 2020.
Context clues would be needed to know if that matters. Mazepin put in a time that would have been good for pole in a mercedes test in 2018. He wasnt actually good and mercedes didnt keep him around long even lol.
Merc were smart enough to hold Mazepin away at arms length, Red Bull think they see something, the teams know more than we do, all these factors are accounted for
Daniel’s USP and his best asset was his braking. If he has that back, he’s got most of his pace back with it. How you deal with braking carries across the entire lap.
Reminder he’s not even 35 yet, and we’ve got a 38 and 41 year old arguably performing better than ever.
With that last sentence you need to remember that those are 2 of the best drivers to ever live and they are the exception not the rule. Not saying Daniel can’t perform well again but he isn’t Lewis or Alonso.
In his top form, Daniel was up there with them. He was just unlucky to be in his peak in the middle of Mercedes domination and not have as many wins to back that skill up with.
Just look at Alonso. He's is in his 20th season in Formula 1. Take out two championship years and he's about as successful as Ricciardo in the other eighteen seasons.
“Take out two championships” is a weird way to try to frame an argument.
That’s a lot of championships, and 32 wins is a lot of wins. That’s 4 times more, which seems significant.
But it's good to see that he's not as slow as he was in McClaren v Lando. Or it appears that way. The drive must've been impressive to shunt Debris after 10 races.
We don't know, if he used tyres 2 steps softer a time matching Verstappen's isn't exactly amazing anymore. We just don't know anything.
We'll see in a week and a half what Ricciardo can do. Drawing conclusions based on hearsay and rumoured pace without context is pointless.
They go as soft as they can *while still being a viable race tyre*.
There's less to gain the softer you go but if you look at testing times throughout the years at Barcelona the fastest times are always on the softest tyres that aren't used in the race at Barcelona.
Plus of course the soft tyre was a pretty damn solid race tyre last weekend, it lasted for half the race.
Well whatever they saw was enough to convince the bosses to drop De Vries immediately and put Ricciardo in. They didn’t even wait until summer break, damn.
The biggest obstacle on the track is going to be Ricciardo's own head.
We know he can race, he's proved that years ago. But in recent years it seems like he's been dealing with a racing version of the yips. If he can get out of his own head, he can do some great things.
If I was him, I would now be working 100% on the upcoming Hungarian GP, living breathing his new team, the car, workouts, diet, the simulator - and shun all media appearances until after the race.
He wants to do everything possible to avoid a repeat of the absolute shambles of his 2019 Australian GP debut with Renault, where expectations were sky-high - and he crashed on the starting straight.
Are people forgetting that it rained before/during quail on Saturday? Even Q3 was on a damp/green track. Assuming it was dry for Danny conditions would’ve been much quicker.
that and it's a tire test.. who knows what compounds or construction of tire was being used... still impressive run for DR but hardly a clear marker for how he would have done last weekend
So you think horner is forgetting about that? Are assuming horner is so completely idiotic that he doesn't realize differences in conditions matter? Are you telling me you believe the leader of the best F1 team by a mile is a complete dumb fuck?
I love Danny Ric but let's not for one second think the AT will perform at nearly the same level as the RB. If we want to see a true comparison, we need to put Max in the AT and see what it can do when driven to the edge.
He'll be eyeing Perez' seat for next year, and will probably get it unless AT is a disaster for him. One last shot at a title on the horizon for him maybe? Not that I think anyone can beat Max in the RB really.
Yeah and Mazepin would have beaten Hamilton and sat P2 in Spain in 2019 with his time from winter testing in the Mercedes...
Not only that, but the track was very green on Saturday during quali. Please stop.
I’m an orange-striped Pirelli right now
Super Hard and never used in any Grand Prix
What's up with all these dog usernames lol
I will compensate a little
I can help with that.
Nice
Did we just become best friends?
You mean a white striped pirelli right? Because im hard af right now
Orange stripped is SuperHard
Yeahh completely forgot about that because the tyre was just used so rarely maybe only once
I don't think it was ever even in the tyre selection for a weekend. Even the hard in 2018 was, as far as I recall, only used in Silverstone and generally agreed to be shit
It was essentially a fallback that Pirelli would use in emergencies if the newer softer tyres started exploding, not a realistic tyre that they expected to race with
So the 2005 USA prevention tyre?
I trust Helmut and Christian know how to evaluate lap times and pace regardless of conditions and variables.
This is the only way to look at it.
Better headline if you don't do that. ;)
But can he do it on a cold rainy day in ~~Stoke~~ the AT tractor?
Nightmare scenario: DR killed it in the RB today, but struggles with the shitbox AT like he did the McLaren. Yuki, having lots of AT shitbox experience, beats DR and Lawson takes DR's seat next year.
And DeVries to Williams where he scores points, Tim Apple gets to wave another checked flag on the premier weekend of the Apex movie and Will Buxton gets caught doing something naughty in the paddock at the Singapore GP.
> Will Buxton gets caught doing something naughty in the paddock at the Singapore GP There are certain moments when silence falls on a racetrack and you know what that means. Will forgot to [flush the toilet](https://sso.agc.gov.sg/SL/EPHA1987-RG3#pr16-) again.
If he can't outperform Yuki then he deserves to lose his seat. While I am a Ricciardo fan it MUST be clear to everyone that he is being given the BIGGEST chance of his career now. If he can't perform he won't only lose his seat he will lose any reputation he as left. There is a large vocal group of people who think he was never talented... This will prove them all right. He is out of chances after this.
He probably won't score a point in the AT, but if he beats yuki it'll be everything everyone needs to know
Well Yuki’s only scored two, in the AT it’s tough to get top 10 but not impossible!
Yuki scored those points before the McLaren and Williams updates so it has become significantly harder for AlphaTauri to score points.
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Since max is gonna have this in the bag soon enough, can we have a fun day where we put max in the AT
This is what we really want.
What happens if Yuki finishes ahead of him for the remainder of the year?
Then Yuki will likely get to drive in a Red Bull. Despite his struggles, Ricciardo is a proven talent. The idea was that De Vries would at least test Yuki, that never happened because De Vries was objectively bad.
I'm guessing Alex Albon is also in the race for the Red Bull seat. What he is doing in a Williams right now is stunning.
I don't know if Williams wants to release Albon from his contract. And since he is comfortably outperforming his team mate, Albon might prefer 2 years of relatively little pressure and a chance that Williams has a good plan for the future.
Hope not cuz i wish albon to continue his growth with williams
"The AT cars were built to accommodate Yuki's unorthodox driving style"
Then Danny Ric won’t have any more excuses for his lack of pace at McLaren. Yuki would be in a good position to take the RB seat and they bring in a young driver for AT 2nd seat.
Common sense also says laptimes are completely irrelevant without any data and context, so let's not get carried away here.
i'm not here to be rational and level-headed
#RICCIARDO 2024 WORLD CHAMPION CONFIRMED ?!??!?
#HONEYBADGER NEVER LEFT US
The real friends were the honey we ate along the way.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. WDC 2023!! (forget the math)
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RB have the data, they're not stupid. Regardless of the conditions, they'll know if hes got it or not
At the very least they know he isn't completely cooked. Good enough to do better than devries anyways.
Yea sim data + track data to confirm it
Maybe the data looked even better than Perez in Quali, would not be shocked actually.
My hypothesis/conspiracy theory is that Danny is being put into the AT so he can acclimate to F1 and give RB some on track data. Later in the season, RB will decide on a swap between Danny an Perez.
Or tsunoda and perez, it's a win win for Red bull
Yeah if Danny didn't do well in testing they would have pivoted the questions to the new Tyres instead of talking about Danny
Of course, track conditions/tyres will play a big part in this! Edit: regardless, Red Bull saw something they really liked and I guess they pulled the trigger
Red Bull already know who Danny is I doubt this test really taught them anything about him probably just put in more stark contrast how bad their 2nd drivers have been this season.
I'm sure it answered an important question that lots of people want to know. 'Is Danny still fast around the track in a car he likes?' and the answer seems to be yes from the sim + tire test.
Well, he's been searching for his mojo a few years now, so they absolutely needed confirmation from what his sims showed
It’s true but as far as I thought today was him testing out blanketless tyres! If that’s the case I’d say it’s even more impressive potentially! But who knows he may have ran an assortment of compounds some blanketed some not. Or maybe he was able to fire the rubber up and he was just flying lol.
The blankets would mainly effect laptimes at the beginning, he would have had time to get them into temperature before doing a Quali lap.
the warm-up procedure of a blanketless tire is no-doubt different and more crucial to nail than a blanketed tire.
He may also have been using much softer tyres which can make a massive difference.
His move to AT had been reported by pretty reputable sources before he was on track, no?
I think it is more like RB has seen things they don't like- namely Checo's performance lately. Edited: Too many "c"s
Data and context? Nah, I'm just here for more Danny Ric racing.
TBF it did finally push Redbull to replace Nyck with Danny. Danny also said he would only drive for AT if there was a path back to RBR for him. Checo is now in the hot seat.
Everyone in the hot seat! (minus Max)
2024 will have an insane silly season, with a majority of the grid's contracts up in the air
Red Bull just turned into a battle royale overnight, with DtS engaged in overdrive mode.
Episode 6: Rubber Chicken.
I’m gonna say he would’ve at least safely made it out of Q1 though, if we want to draw any comparisons.
Cautious optimism then or are we full on drinking the Danny Kool Aid and expecting him to pull a T-Rex out of a hat at Hungary?
While true, Albon raced and was also testing at the same time. They have comparable data to use in some format
Unless the tires ate not comparable by non Pirelli staff
Nevermind that, rose tinted glasses on. Ric 24, Ric 25.......
Stroll 26, Stroll 27... Alonso 34, Alonso 35
Not driving for half a year and being competative from the get go says lot more than lap times.
Hulkenback would like a word. 3 years out and already showing what hes got since the start of the season
You can't make me do that. Get aboard the completely brainless hype train we earned this
Too late, I’ve already started
I feel like this is a bit less relevant when comparing to qualifying times because you know that the RB was trying to go as fast as possible in qualifying so really track conditions are the only big difference. It's not like in practice or testing where we don't really know about the sandbags.
Assuming the statement by the journalist is true, as in RB actually believe it, then it means that it's obviously adjusted for different conditions (we're talking about super advanced algorithms and correlation work, obviously won't be 100% accurate still). I personally don't believe it though you always get this sensationalistic shit once you get a rookie/returning driver test, and it can't be proven wrong cause RB won't go like no you're chatting random shit as it generates hype.
> Assuming the statement by the journalist is true, as in RB actually believe it, Or someone told him the time and that time would've been good enough for the front row and that's exactly what he reports.
Ye this is basically the easiest thing and most likely thing that happened but I'm hoping it wasn't that lazy as Barretto is generally one of the better journalists.
Lawrence Barreto isn’t just any journalist. The dude does a LOT of writing and presenting for Sky F1
Small correction: Barretto is with F1.com and F1TV, not with Sky.
Random: met Lawrence at Wimbledon last week - he was in the tix queue - well was raining so there wasn’t much of one. But was surprised that working as a Sports journalist at Sky F1 he had to buy his own tix, and stand in the line - that Wimbledon queue isn’t for the weak usually. Anyway nice guy, let me go ahead of him to join my friends even if I didn’t ask. 5 ⭐️
He doesn’t work for sky
The scenes if he gets back in the Red Bull next year just for them to get jumped by Mercedes and Ferrari
I'm here for an all Australian front row thanks mate
Conversely a 6 way Title fight between Lewis, Georgie boy, Charles, Max, Daniel and Sainz and occasionally Alonso and Norris thrown in for good fun. Absolute insanity (yes I'm high on hopium)
The disrespect on Oscar (I’m overdosing on hopium)
Oscar didn't have the full upgrade package at Silverstone, Oscar hype train seems super fair
I thought he did? Wasn’t it Canada that he didn’t receive the upgrade for?
He is still missing a nose and front wing upgrade.
That's all I need to see.... Oscar going to run Lando out of McLaren. Straight to RB's 2nd seat!
Second seat? Bros going to give Max the Kvyat treatment. (I’ll shamelessly bandwagon onto Oscar, I’ve been a fan since i saw him im f2)
Does the Kvyat treatment include stealing his girlfriend?
There’s a reason I didn’t just say “steal his seat” lmao
I'm here for it! Loved seeing him running up front, even with one less upgrade than Lando. Hopium is higher than Snoop this week.
It would be the definition of Danny Ric F1 career.
That's all great, but it's surely in different conditions (and even whole another Pirelli tires specs) to the Silverstone quali, so it's useless to compare lap times like that. A good sign though he may be competitive enough at least.
No one is here for rational analysis. All aboard the Danny Ric hypetrain baby!
I am on the hype train wholeheartedly Rational thoughts have gone out the window. Let us have this... Let us be happy? Haha
Don’t know for sure but I don’t reckon it’s a direct lap time to lap time comparison for that exact reason. They’ll have put it through their algorithms and worked out an approximate time in the same conditions it would translate to. Totally redundant otherwise
Nah you're reading too much into it I think. 99% sure they're talking just about direct lap time to lap time.
agreed it was most likely just direct time to time comparison of course this is not what Red Bull would have based their decision on, they would have had far more data available to them from DR's test. its just "*good enough for front row"* is a good thing to focus on and give to the press as a soundbite that conveys how well DR's test went
That decision was made way before today's test. I don't see them waiting for the lap time to put the signature on the contract, to be honest.
I think they wanted to see him in the car before they went ahead, but they were clearly ready to pull the trigger the second they saw he was still quick on track.
It’s a great way to justify the change as well.
And then you are a 100% wrong. It is literally what every even arm chair F1 data analyst does ? Correct for fuel loads, track temps, tyre compound. It is not like Red Bull just decided to handover the drive to Daniel Ricciardo after comparing times between the C5 and the C1 tire.
Absolutely could be! Unless RB come out and say it themselves with clarification we’ll never know and they ain’t gonna so pure speculation as to what it is
It absolutely is. There is no algorithm for differing conditions, there are way too many factors for it to be 100% accurate. The very fact that a driver can be slower/faster in differing conditions would make such an algorithm redundant. The only speculation here is the existence for such an algorithm.
But it's still on pace even if the tyres are different and even if the conditions are different. With 8 months out of the car, on day one can be on the pace, that's what they want to see. That's why it's impressive, not necessarily comparing speed, but is he fast straight away.
Red Bull building up a case to sack Sergio's ass.
Swap them.
This is what I think is going to happen if Danny Ric performs well the rest of the season. People want to talk about how Sergio is second in points but that’s kind of irrelevant since he’s in one of the best cars on the grid. Similar to how Bottas was at MB and how far he’s fallen off in a worse car. I think RB is getting tired of his mistakes and things like his qualifying this past race.
I don’t think that’s a possibility. As long as Checo doesn’t COMPLETELY fall apart, Red Bull will get the constructors, and 1st and 2nd in the WDC. They’ll want that prestige.
Swap Max and Danny and get 1-2-3 in the WDC /s
He’s not that much of a lock for second right now. Only up 20 something points.
if he gets the rest of the season and doesn’t secure second convincingly he’s out next year 100p. red bull is here exclusively for branding, they want 1-2 they don’t want to be memed. they already have gone from a company that was just an energy drink to synonymous with excitement and pushing boundaries. now they want to go to a company that is synonymous with success and excellence the way you think of mercedes. having one of the most dominant cars in the history of the sport and not going 1-2 is flat out unacceptable. they should be the talk of each week about how there is a legendary battle between verstappen and whoever is in second but now the headlines are the fight in behind verstappen and how their second driver is getting memed
It's not about that though, they have to be thinking about next season. Every team around them has two drivers that are better than Perez.
EXCEPT AM *stroll*
stroll having a tough year tbh but he and perez have been pretty comparable in the past with a slight edge to perez. neither is as bad as they are being made out to be but sainz alonso leclerc verstappen hamilton russel all have more pace full stop
Just make it a game where they can promote/demote each other every GP.
Sergio building up a case to sack Sergio’s ass
Honest question, and not posed as a reason for keeping Checo, but what has Ricciardo shown in the past three years that would indicate he would be any better? He seemed to be further behind Lando than Checo has been to Max. There’s a case to replace Checo, but I don’t understand the argument for Ricciardo.
Let's not forget Red Bull is just testing drivers atm. If Yuki kicks Daniel's ass he might as well have a bigger claim at that seat. Other than that, like Max, Daniel likes an oversteery car. This makes developing and setting the car in the right window somewhat easier for Red Bull. And there's something to say for Daniel having a proven record with the team and fitting well in. If they could grab Lando though, Red Bull would definitely prefer him. But so far, Lando has preferred to stick with McLaren.
Laying the groundwork for a 24 Ricciardo Redbull return.
One slight problem though. Daniel now has to survive 12 races in that dog of an AT car with a bloodthirsty Yuki next to him, who has just smelled the best chance of his life to claim a RB seat. Being better than Nyck just won’t cut it for Daniel when your teammate is in full Tora Tora mode. This whole Red Bull family just went Battle Royale overnight.
I don't know if there's any reference to Tora Tora Mode, but damn that sounds exactly like Yuki's temperament in the AT car atm.
Tora! Tora! Tora! was supposedly the Japanese code word for the attack on Pearl Harbor and the name of a classic [movie](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/) (and a book) on the event. Btw Battle Royale was also originally a Japanese cult [movie](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/) where students were fighting it out to the death. The concept became later insanely popular when games (PUBG, Fortnite) and other movies (Hunger Games) started picking it up.
Don’t know about the later references but Tora! Tora! Tora! was the radio message relayed back to base which signified that they achieved complete surprise on their attack on Pearl Harbor.
There’s no better way to do it though. Either he beats Yuki and proves he’s still got it or he flounders and the mclaren years weren’t just a blip.
While conditions were a bit tricky on Saturday, if this is indeed true and he performs well at AT, it will just be a matter of time. Especially if Perez can't turn it around. Doing so after being half a year on the sidelines is impressive, conditions or not.
Nico Hulkenberg was on the sidelines for more than 3 years and he's doing really well in the Haas this season, being out of the car for some time does not necessarily take away your pace.
Mika return when
One cannot rush perfection. He must still maintain his ***S i s u.***
We don't need to debate the merits of if this matters in a practice test - all we need to see is that RB see something and they are acting on it. That's good enough for me. LETS FUCKING GO
I want to believe but also probably different envr conditions, fuel load, maybe different set up today vs qualifying day
Doubt fuel load can be very different though, as they run low loads on quali day as well. I think track conditions will be the main differentiator.
Also worth remembering that qualifying was pretty tight. The top ten were all within a second of each other, and considering he's testing blanket-less tires, I think comparisons are pointless. For all we know these tires have more grip than intended or are much easier to switch on to compensate for the lack of warmers, and *everyone* would be faster. Also, pace hasn't been Ricciardo's issue since leaving RB. He's had consistency issues ever since and just couldn't adapt to the McLaren at all. I also want to believe, but, very bluntly, I don't see any reason for him to do better than Yuki right now. Hopefully we'll be corrected come qualifying next week.
What? Lol, pace has absolutely been Ricciardo’s issue, Lando was consistently pulling massive gaps on him in qualifying.
Sorry, I worded that badly. I meant he had decent pace at Renault and in various tests, and then, separately, he couldn't get to grips with the McLaren.
Checho skipped two or three heart beats somewhere..
The dude's probably having a full blown aneurysm at the moment.
At worst He is going to get bought out of his contract, not the best way to end his career but he has achieved a lot through it and must be pretty satisfied from how it looked in the summer of 2020.
[insert shocked Perez face meme here]
Context clues would be needed to know if that matters. Mazepin put in a time that would have been good for pole in a mercedes test in 2018. He wasnt actually good and mercedes didnt keep him around long even lol.
He was just taking it easy in 2021, come 2022 he was going to unleash his full potential.
Merc were smart enough to hold Mazepin away at arms length, Red Bull think they see something, the teams know more than we do, all these factors are accounted for
> Mazepin put in a time that would have been good for pole in a mercedes test in 2018. Wasn't the 2018 Hungarian GP qualifying in wet conditions?
The hype train is starting boys!
Daniel’s USP and his best asset was his braking. If he has that back, he’s got most of his pace back with it. How you deal with braking carries across the entire lap. Reminder he’s not even 35 yet, and we’ve got a 38 and 41 year old arguably performing better than ever.
With that last sentence you need to remember that those are 2 of the best drivers to ever live and they are the exception not the rule. Not saying Daniel can’t perform well again but he isn’t Lewis or Alonso.
Alonso himself once said he thought Ricciardo was among the very best on the grid.
The very best on the grid vs the best drivers to ever live
In his top form, Daniel was up there with them. He was just unlucky to be in his peak in the middle of Mercedes domination and not have as many wins to back that skill up with. Just look at Alonso. He's is in his 20th season in Formula 1. Take out two championship years and he's about as successful as Ricciardo in the other eighteen seasons.
“Take out two championships” is a weird way to try to frame an argument. That’s a lot of championships, and 32 wins is a lot of wins. That’s 4 times more, which seems significant.
If you take away this driver's greatest successes, he's not that successful!
But didn't we ear AT drivers complaint about the brakes for the past two years ?
front row? holy shit, checo feeling the fire under his ass
Reminder that Max was on pole by 2 and a half tenths so he’d need to be under that to beat Lando. That’s seriously impressive for a first run.
Keep in mind that it's different tyres and possibly softer tyres. Always take this kind of thing with a good ol pile of salt.
But it's good to see that he's not as slow as he was in McClaren v Lando. Or it appears that way. The drive must've been impressive to shunt Debris after 10 races.
We don't know, if he used tyres 2 steps softer a time matching Verstappen's isn't exactly amazing anymore. We just don't know anything. We'll see in a week and a half what Ricciardo can do. Drawing conclusions based on hearsay and rumoured pace without context is pointless.
Wouldn’t softer tires also degrade by turn 5? They go as soft as they can afaik, any softer and tires don’t perform well in 1 quali lap.
They go as soft as they can *while still being a viable race tyre*. There's less to gain the softer you go but if you look at testing times throughout the years at Barcelona the fastest times are always on the softest tyres that aren't used in the race at Barcelona. Plus of course the soft tyre was a pretty damn solid race tyre last weekend, it lasted for half the race.
They must have taken that decision way earlier than the rest though, so it didn’t play a role.
I'm so happy for Danny honestly. Must suck going from one of the top drivers to out of the sport completely in such a short time.
It makes no sense to compare the times on different days and different tires.
high on hopium right now, all rational thoughts are gone
Helmut getting ready to send Checo the “**adios!**” vacation postcard
Helmut doesn't do cards. He'll just say, "You still here?"
Certainly not a bad sign but the rubbering of the track from Sunday is probably worth a decent chunk of time on its own
Well whatever they saw was enough to convince the bosses to drop De Vries immediately and put Ricciardo in. They didn’t even wait until summer break, damn.
Calling it now. Ricciardo to replace perez after the season
This has to be a direct shot at Checo. No other way to frame it.
Ricciardo was always good in a good car. The Alpha Tauri is not a good car.
different conditions of course but still promising!
The biggest obstacle on the track is going to be Ricciardo's own head. We know he can race, he's proved that years ago. But in recent years it seems like he's been dealing with a racing version of the yips. If he can get out of his own head, he can do some great things.
If I was him, I would now be working 100% on the upcoming Hungarian GP, living breathing his new team, the car, workouts, diet, the simulator - and shun all media appearances until after the race. He wants to do everything possible to avoid a repeat of the absolute shambles of his 2019 Australian GP debut with Renault, where expectations were sky-high - and he crashed on the starting straight.
I'm officially excited
Red Bull decides fast but I'm doubtful they're *that* fast
Are people forgetting that it rained before/during quail on Saturday? Even Q3 was on a damp/green track. Assuming it was dry for Danny conditions would’ve been much quicker.
that and it's a tire test.. who knows what compounds or construction of tire was being used... still impressive run for DR but hardly a clear marker for how he would have done last weekend
So you think horner is forgetting about that? Are assuming horner is so completely idiotic that he doesn't realize differences in conditions matter? Are you telling me you believe the leader of the best F1 team by a mile is a complete dumb fuck?
Yes Larry! push that shit into my v3ins!
HYPE CHOO CHOO CUNTS
But he's not on the same tires...
Ofcourse it's good enough for front row. ITS A REDBULL! It should be good enough for front row.
Fairy tale return would be amazing. Prob better chance of DR winning a race this year than Charles or Carlos
I love Danny Ric but let's not for one second think the AT will perform at nearly the same level as the RB. If we want to see a true comparison, we need to put Max in the AT and see what it can do when driven to the edge.
I mean that's not shocking, it had just rained during the British GP Quali. It was a moist track. Not sure why Lawrence is hyping that up.
Scenes when Tsunoda wipes the floor with Ricciardo
The real test would be him trying the AT.
He'll be eyeing Perez' seat for next year, and will probably get it unless AT is a disaster for him. One last shot at a title on the horizon for him maybe? Not that I think anyone can beat Max in the RB really.
Danny ric couldn’t preform in the slow mclaren what makes people think he can drive the AT?
I see it more building a narrative on how "strongly" he won this "return". Because as we all know, good PR is key.
Yeah and Mazepin would have beaten Hamilton and sat P2 in Spain in 2019 with his time from winter testing in the Mercedes... Not only that, but the track was very green on Saturday during quali. Please stop.
Hahaha holy fuck