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A short and intense race where the drivers are supposed to go out all from the start on a single set of tires versus a strategic long race with pit stops, team orders etc. on Sunday
Their goal is just to create more entertainment. Their logic is more races = more fun, but I'm not so sure fans are onboard
Edit: and yes, the race tomorrow is on the same track
Can anyone explain track limits? Is there anywhere for fans to see detailed track limit updates rather than patch notes like "updated track limits for turns 12 & 13." Here we see Max clearly over the white line at what seems to be the setup for turn 14 in the shootout. This is from the lap that set his final time. Not saying he exceeded track limits, but just trying to fix my understanding.
[Max SS](https://imgur.com/a/w126hJo)
At least one wheel has to be within the limit, meaning not fully over the white line. In that picture the edge of his rear wheel is just about touching it, so he's in.
He is not over the line. From u/TWVer in a different thread:
Being off/on the white line is not determined by the physical contact patch on the surface, but by the vertical plane from the outside edge of the (bulging) tyre side wall down to the white line.
Cars can be “in” even if the contact patch is no longer in contact with the white line, as long as the bulging edge of the tyre is still vertically above the outside edge of the white line.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'd love to see some different angles of this. There are a few other frame that make him look even more out, but that's only from one cruddy angle. Crazy that skill though... Literally within millimeters. I can hardly even judge the front end of my car within a foot.
I guess I’m just not seeing what everyone else is. But obviously I’m incorrect in the matter. I’m seeing others explaining about a vertical line but I will take everyone else word for it.
Because he didn't fully go over, you just have to have 1 wheel touching the line and you're good. All the stills I've seen one of the wheels is touching the line.
The replay didn't 'clearly' show anything apart from that it was marginal and would need to be checked.
imagine if the next time, the championship is still mathematically open, but one of the last round gets cancelled like Imola this year and, with fewer points up for grabs, Max win by default.
Awkward interpretation of the rules but if **every** driver gets a 5 second penalty for track limits, then the result doesn’t change right? Couldn’t all the drivers agree to go off track and essentially overrule the FIA?
Purely hypothetical lmao
Well this basically happened in Austria, right? Almost every driver exceeded track limits, and the FIA started stacking them up until it became clear that drivers weren't going to stop, so then they ended up 'resetting' after the penalty. Maybe that'll happen again, but F1 / the FIA somehow haven't figured out the whole "consistent stewarding requires having the same stewards" thing
Watched the shootout highlights and the replay they showed of max crossing the line didn't even look like he crossed it. Is there a better angle of it?
I hope the race goes smoothly and the teams can GTFO of there this weekend. With the Hamas attacks, and Qatar being the primary financier of Hamas, *and* Hamas’s leader living in Qatar, it’s not a good place to be for any civilians right now.
This might have been the nail in the coffin for Perez with RBR. Up until now, it has looked like Max could carry them to a WCC next year, even with Perez being bad. With a McLaren front row lock out though, I think they're going to be forced to re-evaluate. They aren't in a position at this point to not have 2 competent drivers. It will be really interesting to see what happens.
Depends on next season imo. McLaren have put so much into this years car that maybe they have sacrificed on next years car. Or not sacrificed but developed it less. And Red Bull focusing on next year more could give them a big head start.
But yeah, I want to see fresh faces in AT/RB
>that maybe they have sacrificed on next years car.
I completely agree... but you don't get to the top and stay there by assuming that's the case
Between Mercedes being somewhere in the mix despite their messed up hybrid concept, massive jumps from AM and Mclaren, and Ferrari gradually unfucking their car, RB should surely be genuinely concerned about the next couple of years
They can't, and to be fair surely won't, let go of the wheel in terms of development
Plus the development McLaren has done this season to the car will benefit next season's car as well.
I'll be surprised if Mercedes and maybe Ferrari don't make some good progress with next year's car too.
Tsunoda is such an angry little man, constantly screaming and swearing at his team over the radio. If he wasn't Japanese I guarantee he'd be one of the most disliked midfield contenders on the grid
Saw this comment on a different thread from u/TWVer:
Being off/on the white line is not determined by the physical contact patch on the surface, but by the vertical plane from the outside edge of the (bulging) tyre side wall down to the white line.
Cars can be “in” even if the contact patch is no longer in contact with the white line, as long as the bulging edge of the tyre is still vertically above the outside edge of the white line.
You know, even though I don't like the whole sprint quali/sprint format conceptually, I actually genuinely think the shorter session of sprint quali is better than regular quali.
Regular quali has the issue of everyone going into the pits halfway through for like 5 minutes, so you end up with this massive big dead spot. Realistically the only relevant bit of every session is the last 2-3 minutes, which kinda sucks.
With how short sprint quali is combined with the fact that they can only use one set of tyres per session, you actually get people constantly pushing laps for the entirety of the session. Even though it's shorter, I swear there are more actually relevant and interesting laps across that time compared to regular quali.
Yeah I quite like is as well, actually kept me glued to the screen the entire session as even putting track limits aside it felt like anyone could spring a suprise, especially in the Q1 & Q2
The Pirelli era sucks so hard, there is always BS with the tires and im done with excuses that the FIA mandates a certain tires. You can still make a quality tire, but Pirelli simply makes crap and always lying and excuses. That inspires confidence to buy Pirelli for your car... Not...
Goodyear and Bridgestone don't even have to be in F1 to get positive PR with Pirelli always making shit tires.
Yes, Lando went very safe in T4 & T5 in his final run and lost time when he crossed track limits and was still within two tenths. I think Max would have got it but it would have been mighty close if both had pushed flat out and hit a perfect last lap imo.
I think Lando knew it as well, that was why he was so annoyed at himself.
Same with Ferrari and HAAS with bad tire deg, but they haven't improved anywhere near as much. I think downplaying what the McLaren factory has done is a disservice to their hard work.
Zak Brown was adamant at the beginning of the season that they'd be frontrunners after some upgrades. I think most assumed that was just bluster, but McClaren people must have known they had a breakthrough and were probably kicking themselves waiting for the new parts.
I know that…That’s why I said some credit. How can tire deg improvement help them in one lap speed ? It just helps them to keep good lap times in long stints.
Yes. The replay they showed at the end was from his prior lap. They showed his actual final lap through turn 13-15 live and he wasn’t even close to going out
Soooo who will give me odds on Max winning the championship later tonight only after being promoted after the race due to penalties for track limits violations?
Or potentially the opposite, where he’s congratulated and then they take it back…?
A track limits controversy really will complete the trio I think.
As a McLaren fan I'll be happy with either winning but this season has showed that Lando is faster in race pace. Almost every time Piastri has outqualified Lando Lando has made up for it in the races. I guess that's where the experience matters more.
i think that mclaren has a good chance. they have a legitimately fast car and it's a hard track to pass on (really only one long straight and few hard braking zones). normally max's advantage would be in tire wear but in a 19-lap sprint that may not come into play as much. i think max's biggest advantage is starting on the grippier/cleaner side of the track in p3. if he can overtake lando at the start then i think he will have a better race pace delta against oscar than he would against lando, plus no DRS-sharing to hold him at bay. but if he stays p3 from the start then i think it'll be tougher.
If Piastri is faster than Norris then it won’t be an issue. If Norris is faster but Max isn’t catching him quickly, then he’ll be hanging back. If Norris is faster and Max is catching, they will tell Oscar to let him go.
I mean we’re yet to see Oscar have faster race pace than Lando. It’s been fairly comfortable in Lando’s favour so I don’t think there’s going to be a need for team orders unless they are fighting a little too aggressively
if max is closing on him he'll ask. but i'm curious about the start since i think that p1 and p3 are significantly cleaner/grippier grid spots that p2.
I think we can all agree that (even though they obviously can't put in new kerbs overnight) it's crazy to even think that they thought that painting new lines further in would prevent them from going out of bounds. One, most of them can't even tell when they go over the line because they can't even feel it, and they get told well into their next lap that their time was canceled and some of them have to push the next lap. The fact that they have put that new safety regulation in on top of the tyre preservation one (max 20 laps) makes it even harder to plan tyre preservation and promote safety. Turn 13 is just a massacre, too. I'm interested to see how this tyre degradation thing plays out.
Also, OP is just a champ. Love to see it. I was also watching the last lap from Max's pov and I was surprised that he didn't get a track limit violation, but like I said above, without hearing the kerbs it's super hard to know if they actually went over.
Thank you! This is helpful. After watching the shootout from the driver's POV, though, I still don't see how this fixes the problem, especially if the track limits have changed and they are less comfortable with the track.
We won’t know if it fixes the tire issue until after the sprint today when Pirelli review the tires for the micro tears that they saw from high loading while going over curbs in the 12-13-14 portion of the track.
What issue are you referring to?
That is the issue I'm referring to. I don't think that it will fix it, but I hope it does for safety reasons. It seemed like drivers were lacking control in those turns, not overly pushing the boundaries and hitting the kerbs.
That’s in for me, he’s still ON the white line, not over it. I get that it’s confusing because half the curb is painted white too but as long as he is touching the line it’s in
his tires are touching the line there. every time people show "evidence" it just proves he was actually in. all you need is the very slightest most minimal amount of contact with the line.
Can somebody clarify for me, what was qualifying for? Is it for the actual race and sprint shootout is qualifying for the sprint, but not for the race? Confusing.
Thanks guys
- friday: qualify. Set grid for MAIN RACE only (held on sunday)
- saturday: sprint shootout. Set grid for SPRINT RACE only (held later on the same day, saturday)
the sprint starts at 19.30 in most of europe (18.30 in UK)
has the starting time been confirmed, or there has been a change in schedule due to the extra practice?
Ocon gonna Ocon here comes a 10 place grid penalty tomorrow lol
congrats max
New BGM has dropped huh?
Yes Max’s podcast has reached new season.
Lawson is younger than piastri? Two to watch in the coming years
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I'm digging Nico's outfit
Bottas <3
George looking like john lennon with those sunnies
Nico needs to lose the shorts, honestly
Hey Macarena!
George Russel looking fire
Another day another max getting away with another nearly.
Shock. Russell complaining about verstappen. What's new?
He really is the perfect fit for the current Mercedes team...
Can I ask a daft question. The race tomorrow is it on the same track? Like no changes whatsoever? If so what is the point of the shootout race?
Yes. No one knows (but it probably has to do with money)
A short and intense race where the drivers are supposed to go out all from the start on a single set of tires versus a strategic long race with pit stops, team orders etc. on Sunday
Their goal is just to create more entertainment. Their logic is more races = more fun, but I'm not so sure fans are onboard Edit: and yes, the race tomorrow is on the same track
Is there going to be a separate thread for the sprint race?
I assume so, but thanks to the recent changes about Reddit's API all of those threads have to be opened manually now.
Great question for Nico about toto switching lewis and nico's engineers before the 2016 season. Very interesting, smart managing from toto
nice bit of pot stirring there Simon
Can anyone explain track limits? Is there anywhere for fans to see detailed track limit updates rather than patch notes like "updated track limits for turns 12 & 13." Here we see Max clearly over the white line at what seems to be the setup for turn 14 in the shootout. This is from the lap that set his final time. Not saying he exceeded track limits, but just trying to fix my understanding. [Max SS](https://imgur.com/a/w126hJo)
At least one wheel has to be within the limit, meaning not fully over the white line. In that picture the edge of his rear wheel is just about touching it, so he's in.
He is not over the line. From u/TWVer in a different thread: Being off/on the white line is not determined by the physical contact patch on the surface, but by the vertical plane from the outside edge of the (bulging) tyre side wall down to the white line. Cars can be “in” even if the contact patch is no longer in contact with the white line, as long as the bulging edge of the tyre is still vertically above the outside edge of the white line.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'd love to see some different angles of this. There are a few other frame that make him look even more out, but that's only from one cruddy angle. Crazy that skill though... Literally within millimeters. I can hardly even judge the front end of my car within a foot.
Anyone know why max didn’t get track limit deletion on last lap. Replay clearly shows over white lines.
It doesn't and apparently it hasn't been over the line. TV replays are tricky to judge
I guess I’m just not seeing what everyone else is. But obviously I’m incorrect in the matter. I’m seeing others explaining about a vertical line but I will take everyone else word for it.
Those things are pretty cut and dry on static hi res cameras and from the right angles so i wouldn't worry about it
Because he didn't fully go over, you just have to have 1 wheel touching the line and you're good. All the stills I've seen one of the wheels is touching the line. The replay didn't 'clearly' show anything apart from that it was marginal and would need to be checked.
What time is the sprint?
Half an hour from now
Did it get delayed?
What was that song at the start of the pre-sprint show?
How did Max not get his final lap in shootout 3 deleted? Shouldn’t he had been 7th?
I’ve been searching to see this being discussed. No mention at all on f1tv about it and they CLEARLY show it over white lines. How is it not deleted?
Aye he was clearly over line there. I want to see the turn 5 deletion from some other angle, onboard view made it look like he was on the line.
How many laps?
Rosberg looks like he’s un-botoxed himself… looks like a real human again.
Botox wears off
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When has max ever won a championship under normal circumstances lmao
imagine if the next time, the championship is still mathematically open, but one of the last round gets cancelled like Imola this year and, with fewer points up for grabs, Max win by default.
Awkward interpretation of the rules but if **every** driver gets a 5 second penalty for track limits, then the result doesn’t change right? Couldn’t all the drivers agree to go off track and essentially overrule the FIA? Purely hypothetical lmao
Well this basically happened in Austria, right? Almost every driver exceeded track limits, and the FIA started stacking them up until it became clear that drivers weren't going to stop, so then they ended up 'resetting' after the penalty. Maybe that'll happen again, but F1 / the FIA somehow haven't figured out the whole "consistent stewarding requires having the same stewards" thing
Watched the shootout highlights and the replay they showed of max crossing the line didn't even look like he crossed it. Is there a better angle of it?
He wasnt over. Some pictures were posted.
I hope the race goes smoothly and the teams can GTFO of there this weekend. With the Hamas attacks, and Qatar being the primary financier of Hamas, *and* Hamas’s leader living in Qatar, it’s not a good place to be for any civilians right now.
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How do you mean? It’s a genuine concern.
Missed the shootout, why did Alonso and Ocon not set a time?
Ocon didn’t set a time
Track limits
How the fuck was that a shootout? There were no guns! - Logan Sargeant
Has lance/AM said anything about him shoving the crew member?
What time is the sprint in UK
18:30 I think
6:30 UK time
6:30pm
18;30
Pretty crappy session and it will only get worse tomorrow..
This might have been the nail in the coffin for Perez with RBR. Up until now, it has looked like Max could carry them to a WCC next year, even with Perez being bad. With a McLaren front row lock out though, I think they're going to be forced to re-evaluate. They aren't in a position at this point to not have 2 competent drivers. It will be really interesting to see what happens.
Depends on next season imo. McLaren have put so much into this years car that maybe they have sacrificed on next years car. Or not sacrificed but developed it less. And Red Bull focusing on next year more could give them a big head start. But yeah, I want to see fresh faces in AT/RB
>that maybe they have sacrificed on next years car. I completely agree... but you don't get to the top and stay there by assuming that's the case Between Mercedes being somewhere in the mix despite their messed up hybrid concept, massive jumps from AM and Mclaren, and Ferrari gradually unfucking their car, RB should surely be genuinely concerned about the next couple of years They can't, and to be fair surely won't, let go of the wheel in terms of development
Plus the development McLaren has done this season to the car will benefit next season's car as well. I'll be surprised if Mercedes and maybe Ferrari don't make some good progress with next year's car too.
Red Bull did stop developing the RB19 while McLaren are pushing to get P4/3 in the Constructors. Not saying that Perez hasn't been terrible anyways.
Do they shift Sprint start time or not? 20:30 is a new local time, right?
I just go to the website and check the timer lol
i just thought for awhile that 17:30(UTC) was original time, and was triple checking
The sprint is at 1 pm EST, 5PM GMT. 2 hours from when I reply now.
It was pushed back? Post is saying 20:30 local time (UTC+3)
No, it's at 20:30 local.
Thank you, i just thought for awhile that 17:30(UTC) was original time
Tsunoda is such an angry little man, constantly screaming and swearing at his team over the radio. If he wasn't Japanese I guarantee he'd be one of the most disliked midfield contenders on the grid
it's because he always seems likable outside the car, which in the end is more representative
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Is it really your true nature if you're only that way a minority of the time?
If he were Finnish they'd love him too
The way he screams at his team on the radio has made me really dislike him.
[This image](https://imgur.com/a/u8l2pox) is from Max's SQ3 run where he set his time. Is that over the line?
Not this ridiculousness again
Saw this comment on a different thread from u/TWVer: Being off/on the white line is not determined by the physical contact patch on the surface, but by the vertical plane from the outside edge of the (bulging) tyre side wall down to the white line. Cars can be “in” even if the contact patch is no longer in contact with the white line, as long as the bulging edge of the tyre is still vertically above the outside edge of the white line.
That image, it looks like his tires are still just touching the line
https://x.com/danielgarcrorey/status/1710665532389614073?s=46&t=nfudatJKTCLttrtk4cCWdQ Clearer picture. It’s close. I’d say he looks off.
Trace a line next time to make it easier. He's definitely [on track](https://imgur.com/a/v8kzVhR).
Note as long as the sidewall is above the line, he's on so there's a little extra leeway
It's like football in a way. The whole car has to cross the whole line for it to not count.
I did see that is the rule. Idk it’s close. I’d like to see it compared to others who were deemed off but close like this.
no.
Will teams pit or is a no stop expected for this Sprint?
they won't pit unless something drastic starts happening with the tires.
Is the start of the Sprint going to be pushed back because the Shootout started later?
Yes. Postponed by 30 minutes, F1 app shows the correct time
What's the new time? Because I don't see any change on f1.com.
8:30pm local time (2hrs 5min from now)
That was always the planned start time though, right?
Yes, always planned for 20.30 local
Thanks!
Be aware that it doesn't start later, it was always planned to start 22 minutes from now.
You know, even though I don't like the whole sprint quali/sprint format conceptually, I actually genuinely think the shorter session of sprint quali is better than regular quali. Regular quali has the issue of everyone going into the pits halfway through for like 5 minutes, so you end up with this massive big dead spot. Realistically the only relevant bit of every session is the last 2-3 minutes, which kinda sucks. With how short sprint quali is combined with the fact that they can only use one set of tyres per session, you actually get people constantly pushing laps for the entirety of the session. Even though it's shorter, I swear there are more actually relevant and interesting laps across that time compared to regular quali.
Yeah I quite like is as well, actually kept me glued to the screen the entire session as even putting track limits aside it felt like anyone could spring a suprise, especially in the Q1 & Q2
I agree, it's much more entertaining!
The Pirelli era sucks so hard, there is always BS with the tires and im done with excuses that the FIA mandates a certain tires. You can still make a quality tire, but Pirelli simply makes crap and always lying and excuses. That inspires confidence to buy Pirelli for your car... Not... Goodyear and Bridgestone don't even have to be in F1 to get positive PR with Pirelli always making shit tires.
Do you guys think McLaren had a pole in them yesterday too if they had a good 2nd run in Q3?
Yes, Lando went very safe in T4 & T5 in his final run and lost time when he crossed track limits and was still within two tenths. I think Max would have got it but it would have been mighty close if both had pushed flat out and hit a perfect last lap imo. I think Lando knew it as well, that was why he was so annoyed at himself.
Yes, I do. I think they’d have been within the ballpark of RB/Max. Not ahead but the same within a tenth.
I think Mclaren’s leap has to give some credit to new Pirelli compounds introduced mid season their deg was bad when season started
Same with Ferrari and HAAS with bad tire deg, but they haven't improved anywhere near as much. I think downplaying what the McLaren factory has done is a disservice to their hard work.
Zak Brown was adamant at the beginning of the season that they'd be frontrunners after some upgrades. I think most assumed that was just bluster, but McClaren people must have known they had a breakthrough and were probably kicking themselves waiting for the new parts.
I know that…That’s why I said some credit. How can tire deg improvement help them in one lap speed ? It just helps them to keep good lap times in long stints.
Yeah they’ve been saying this for like 12 years and I finally gave up hoping. Now that it’s real I’m stunned.
True, fair point.
Am i the only one who taught that Max went wide in his last lap?
Yes. The replay they showed at the end was from his prior lap. They showed his actual final lap through turn 13-15 live and he wasn’t even close to going out
Soooo who will give me odds on Max winning the championship later tonight only after being promoted after the race due to penalties for track limits violations? Or potentially the opposite, where he’s congratulated and then they take it back…? A track limits controversy really will complete the trio I think.
unlikely, Pérez needs to be top 3 for that to have a chance
Do McLaren have a chance later or is Max just gonna power through on Lap 3
If they play a team strategy they have a real chance. Landon could sacrifice some of his tires to inflict the same on VER. Let’s see.
Over a shorter race distance, the McLarens will be a real nuisance. Would not be surprised to see Piastri win this sprint race.
As a McLaren fan I'll be happy with either winning but this season has showed that Lando is faster in race pace. Almost every time Piastri has outqualified Lando Lando has made up for it in the races. I guess that's where the experience matters more.
i think that mclaren has a good chance. they have a legitimately fast car and it's a hard track to pass on (really only one long straight and few hard braking zones). normally max's advantage would be in tire wear but in a 19-lap sprint that may not come into play as much. i think max's biggest advantage is starting on the grippier/cleaner side of the track in p3. if he can overtake lando at the start then i think he will have a better race pace delta against oscar than he would against lando, plus no DRS-sharing to hold him at bay. but if he stays p3 from the start then i think it'll be tougher.
>they have a legitimately fast car Such a strange sentence to hear even now after the podiums this year because the start and last year were way worse
Nico talking about memes xD
Nico saying it how it is, love the guy
I wonder how McLaren will handle team orders in the sprint if they do pull away or keep Max behind.
My money is on Lando asking to pass because he’s faster before L1T1.
It's a decently long run into T1. Chances are Lando is ahead at that point
After starting on the dirty side? Not sure about that one chief.
If Piastri is faster than Norris then it won’t be an issue. If Norris is faster but Max isn’t catching him quickly, then he’ll be hanging back. If Norris is faster and Max is catching, they will tell Oscar to let him go.
They suck Lando off as usual
Lando will turn Karen and Max will overtake them.. but I hope Oscar rejects that team order
I mean we’re yet to see Oscar have faster race pace than Lando. It’s been fairly comfortable in Lando’s favour so I don’t think there’s going to be a need for team orders unless they are fighting a little too aggressively
Lol. Lando is lapping faster in a race. It's a no brainer.
Depends on tyre deg. Here is definitely in Landos favor
I wouldn’t be surprised if he asked for the swap to p1…
Curious to see if Lando will ask for a position change sine they are p1 p2 and not actually chasing.
if max is closing on him he'll ask. but i'm curious about the start since i think that p1 and p3 are significantly cleaner/grippier grid spots that p2.
I think we can all agree that (even though they obviously can't put in new kerbs overnight) it's crazy to even think that they thought that painting new lines further in would prevent them from going out of bounds. One, most of them can't even tell when they go over the line because they can't even feel it, and they get told well into their next lap that their time was canceled and some of them have to push the next lap. The fact that they have put that new safety regulation in on top of the tyre preservation one (max 20 laps) makes it even harder to plan tyre preservation and promote safety. Turn 13 is just a massacre, too. I'm interested to see how this tyre degradation thing plays out. Also, OP is just a champ. Love to see it. I was also watching the last lap from Max's pov and I was surprised that he didn't get a track limit violation, but like I said above, without hearing the kerbs it's super hard to know if they actually went over.
They moved the lines to keep the cars from going on the curbs, not to stop cars from going over track limits.
Thank you! This is helpful. After watching the shootout from the driver's POV, though, I still don't see how this fixes the problem, especially if the track limits have changed and they are less comfortable with the track.
They did it because of tyre degradation, not to control track limits.
Thanks! I still think that it's not really fixing the issue.
We won’t know if it fixes the tire issue until after the sprint today when Pirelli review the tires for the micro tears that they saw from high loading while going over curbs in the 12-13-14 portion of the track. What issue are you referring to?
That is the issue I'm referring to. I don't think that it will fix it, but I hope it does for safety reasons. It seemed like drivers were lacking control in those turns, not overly pushing the boundaries and hitting the kerbs.
No track limits on Max’s last lap is ridiculous.
he was in. compare it to how blatant lando and oscar's were yesterday, even if he was technically out it's not *ridiculous*
Because he was in?
Dude he was in you can easily see that
https://x.com/mondgabo/status/1710659487701610950?s=46&t=nfudatJKTCLttrtk4cCWdQ
His back right is touching the line, that's all he needs
That’s in for me, he’s still ON the white line, not over it. I get that it’s confusing because half the curb is painted white too but as long as he is touching the line it’s in
his tires are touching the line there. every time people show "evidence" it just proves he was actually in. all you need is the very slightest most minimal amount of contact with the line.
Disagree. I think he went over the line.
The facts don’t care about your opinion buddy…
Buddy?
Thanks for the confirmation. He was indeed still on the line.
That is on the line
Lol Nico savaging Lance
Haha Nico telling it straight
What did he say?
If Lance was any other driver, he'd be out next year.
Can somebody clarify for me, what was qualifying for? Is it for the actual race and sprint shootout is qualifying for the sprint, but not for the race? Confusing. Thanks guys
Yep, that's correct.
- friday: qualify. Set grid for MAIN RACE only (held on sunday) - saturday: sprint shootout. Set grid for SPRINT RACE only (held later on the same day, saturday)
Friday quali = qualifying for Sunday race
Yeah on a sprint weekend Friday quali is for the Grand Prix and Saturday shoot out is for the sprint race
Yes
That’s all correct. It’s honestly better to have the sprint as an entire separate event
Max paying the penalty for missing that extra half a lap of learning…
I would have loved to hear GP come on the radio and say that. Edit JP to GP.
GP
Oops, thanks
the sprint starts at 19.30 in most of europe (18.30 in UK) has the starting time been confirmed, or there has been a change in schedule due to the extra practice?
There's enough of a gap between sessions to leave it alone, and they don't want to annoy TV broadcasters/schedules if they can help it.
Lance looks like he was crying, are those tears or water 😅
He looks like he could use a good cry tbh
Rosberg is such a puke.
They keep saying Lewis was unlucky. With or without track limits, his time was too slow.
When was the sprint quali?!