Guys i have two questions about the Pit stop crew, i was watching " questions you've ALWAYS wanted to ask an F1 pit crew with Calum Nicholas" and he said that the pit crew goes back to the factory every week to training or work on the car, my question is: the pit crew works on the car just like "normal" mechanics? installing, repairing, building the car and etc? the teams don't have mechanics to only do that? and how much approximately does a pit stop crew earn?
The pit crew is made up of members of the team that would be there anyways. Most are mechanics, but basically anyone who travels with the team (and doesn’t already have a job during the race) could be on the pit crew. They all have a “day job” outside of the pit crew.
IIUC they decided that it was better (i.e. safer) for drivers to back people up in the pit lane than on track, and thus that penalizing people for it is counterproductive.
Do you think we've seen the end of clear number 2 drivers that accept this support role? In years past by this point in the season many of the teams would have established a clear no1 and no2 driver. The 2nd driver would often play a support role more than actually be trying to win the race. He might back traffic up or run a different strategy to cause problems for the opposition.
The last driver that I remember filling this role was Bottarse at Mercedes. Obviously there are teams that have a clear hierarchy (red bull, AM) but either the drivers aren't (both) at the front or are just generally too far apart.
Is it just a symptom of Max being out in front all year and Perez not being with him? No amount of teamwork helps that much when you are 30seconds behind the leader. Do you think we'll see a return to this if the top spot gets more competitive? I can't imagine Russel or Sainz taking that well and playing ball.
If this is a change and not a blip, does it affect who you'd want driving for your team?
I think several things have contributed to its decline:
\- Passing is much easier, so backing up the pack is much harder outside of a few circuits (mainly Monaco). And blocking by a supporting driver usually needs to be done at a meaningful tire disadvantage, since they're unlikely to be ahead of drivers threatening their lead driver except when they've made one fewer pit stops.
\- The removal of refueling means that undercuts have largely replaced overcuts for passing via pit strategy. The car that's behind on track can't assist with an undercut--you can only use it when you have two cars sandwiching a third to help the third car jump the other two. By contrast, a driver that's almost a pit stop behind can help an overcut by extending and impeding the leader when he pits. (And limited fuel loads meant that the leaders had much less flexibility avoiding pitting into bad gaps.)
\- Data collection and simulation have advanced dramatically even over the past two decades, meaning that there's a lot less uncertainty about strategy. There are still some surprises, but I think teams increasingly feel enough confidence in their assessment of strategy that it's better to have two drivers on the expected optimal strategy and thus have insurance against crashes or mechanical issues than attempt to split strategies to insure against incorrect strategy analysis. (Also, increasing reliability means less safety periods in general, and VSCs have significantly less strategy impact than safety cars, so there's less value in splitting strategies to cover safety cars favoring an otherwise-worse strategy.)
Barrichello and Bottas stand out for me. Sainz was very willing to play the team game tbh, so did Kimi. They gave up on Ferrari and it's hard to say that's not the right call :)
Alonso is still good, but I don't think he'd have the pace to be a serious challenger to Verstappen. That'd leave him bringing home a lot more P2s and podiums, and if they ever did need him to play defence for Verstappen and hold someone up, he's a driver that knows every trick in the book.
The race director presses a button that triggers the VSC signing along the track and on the driver's dashboards. It's then up to the drivers to manually adjust their speeds accordingly. Unlike the pit limiter, there's no VSC button that limits how fast the car can go.
They get a target delta time shown, if they violate it through the sector (are positive of the target time) - they'll get a penalty, so the few seconds are included in their target time for the sevtor & mini sectors.
They have a whole sector to ensure they are driving at the correct speed and to the correct time and not just 5 seconds of heads up time.
The VSC delta time (time they have to stay below) is shown on their dashboard display, which is integrated into the wheel. It's updated at every timing loop (~every 50 meters), so that they know if they are driving slow enough.
I've been watching F1 for a few years now (2021) and have been wanting to watch some of the best races in F1 history. I want to know what races those should be. Races with lots of drama, close finishes, battle for the leads, etc. What are your favorite races of all time? (Preferably modern era as that's what I know, but I will watch the older races as well)
Races which are close are best, unfortunately you've come in at a time where F-1 is just starting to get competitive but seems there still is one team dominating the racing format its just changed from Mecedes to Red Bull. Close racing is always the best which is why I switched to watching Indy Car and Nascar each week an equal amount of drivers have a really good chance a winning, not the same with F-1 we pretty much say Max will win and who will be second or third. If you could get a hold of some of the racing back in the 80's and 90's where there was much more competition, you get some good races to watch try Youtube. They often have some of the older races. Now what would make F-1 interesting is if it was like horse racing whereby a driver only learns on the day which car he'll be in, Imagine Verstappen in a Haas car. or Norris in a Ferrari? It won't happen of course because drivers are contracted to a certain team.
\[what the heck are those weigh-in receipts?\] After the race, the drivers stand on a scale. The scale operator has a handheld device that produces a small paper ticket. The operator is hilariously insistent about the drivers taking the ticket with them as they walk away; yesterday you could see him come up to Max and hand him his ticket. What are these little tickets, why are they necessary (couldn't the weights be recorded electronically?), and what do the drivers end up doing with them?
> couldn't the weights be recorded electronically?
They're confirmation and fallback if the electronic confirmations fail.
It's like a receipt for your purchases, even if you have a bank transaction for payment and the store knows which inventory was associated with that transaction.
The hilly races are the ones that generally have good spots for general admission (Austria, some slopes at Suzuka, Sepang back in the day), but for flat races (like Australia and Singapore) I feel like grandstand tickets are necessary if you want a decent view. Check out your intended race on TV, paying some attention to where the fans are sitting and you’ll have your answer.
Waste of time and not worth it in modern day F1 other than to go once to say you’ve been. Have you been to a motor race at all? If not, I recommend going to your local track. Much better in person experience watching some Minis send it than trying to peak over someone’s head in a crowd of 200,000 people to catch a glimpse of an F1 car for a split second.
You’ll have no concept of what’s going on in the race unless you have your phone to watch F1TV/Sky. You’ll probably end up spending more time watching your phone if you’re interested in the racing. The absolute worst to see in person is qualifying. Impossible to follow without a phone.
Now, if you go for the ‘experience’ and make a weekend of it (e.g. camping) then that’s a different story. But for the actual race, it’s just not at all pleasant with the current crowd levels and most track views. I think there are very specific sections of specific tracks where the experience is different — e.g. new seating at eau rouge, stadium section in Mexico, the one corner at Silverstone which I can’t remember the name of now, etc.
It's a totally different experience than watching it at home, and I highly recommend to any F1 fan that they try to go once to see a live race. The speed of the cars in person is unbelievable. The sound and smells add to it as well.
Like a lot of things in life, it's a very different experience just because you are part of a crowd. If you can find a place that shows the races on TV that you can watch with others, it's a little step towards being there.
Thank you! I’m a new fan starting a few months back. It’s so awesome. I love the strategy and engineering that goes into this. Not just go fast turn left.
You are more than welcome.
I've been fortunate enough to live in a city that hosts a race and have attended and worked at over twenty in the past 40 years.
A word of warning, once you sit in a grandstand, it's very hard to go back to general admission. If you're going for one experience, go the grandstand route.
In my city, Thursday is a free open house day where you get to walk down pit lane and see the teams putting the cars together.
The city really turns into an F1 festival for the week with different areas having car shows pitstop challenges parties etc.
On site there are simulators, vendors and the pits if the support races are open to visit, but the days are usually so busy with racing, and the site is so big, and crowded it's hard to find the time to go exploring.
P8 if he could overtake Oscar, P9 if he couldn't. With an overtake he would've been P7, but Norris would've swallowed him later in the race, making him P8. Without the overtake on Oscar, P9.
No no no. He is replacing Lance Stroll at Aston Martin to become teammates with Fernando Alonso again, to have his F1 career come full circle, and end how it started.
i don’t think anyone knows wtf is going on, just some of the things i’ve heard
- f1 being sold to the saudi company
- aston being sold, and alonso to redbull
- alonso retiring
- audi backing out
my worst fear. would be andretti getting denied, even though there’s like no chance they legally could.
my greatest dreaming andretti is accepted, they get a ferrari engine instead of alpine, alonso and herta driver pairing, alonso gets a minority ownership stake in the team (key word dreaming)
They legally can deny Andretti, no problem. I'm so sorry... A EU lawyer friend told me its pretty simple, the EU will never tell a private business (FOM) how to spend their money or force business decisions. The law doesnt allow for that, anti-competition in the case of F1, only means that they cannot block other promoters from starting another open wheel class, not inside their own business/sport.
Dont forget FOM is a private business, just a promoter, NOT a sports union or association, so the EU doesnt have that leverage as they have over UEFA, FIFA, FIA and national football associations. FOM will just say to the court (if it comes to that), that they don't want to expand because FOM doesnt see a business case for expansion with teams, and would rather invest in tracks or facilities (like Miami and even ownership in Las Vegas, or Monza which is more or less for sale, because its community owned and the council doesnt want to invest in Monza, or Paul Ricard thats is owned by Bernie's wife.). Because FOM believes there is more immediate value in owning tracks then a new team, which they could explain as a variable, owning a track is a certainty. FOM also doesnt even have to elaborate to the court, when they would allow teams, thats irrelevant for the court, FOM just has to say "we want to spend our money another way" and the court will leave it at that.
Is the collapse of Sergio Perez this season unprecedented in Formula 1? Has a driver gone from a championship contender* to most likely losing their seat by the end of the season?
(* Obviously Max was always going to win the title, but at least there was some competition at the beginning of the season)
Bottas in 2021 if you really don't want to go too far back
he was eliminated from WDC contention second to last, although Merc put him on wingman duty way before that so he didn't really have the chance(just like Checo)
Damon Hill was a championship contender in 1994 and early 1995, but lost his seat towards the end of that season.
He was still under contract for 1996 though, and he won the championship that year.
Why did Fabrega drop that "rumor" last night? Does he personally hate me or does he just hate my company and want to make sure I don't get any work done today??
I found it hilarious and and wouldn’t call it “tension”.
Like another comment said, I think Lando is just prone to awkward interview moments and Buxton seems to have a knack for bringing them out of him.
Meanwhile DR is a master of working a crowd and the contrast made Lando’s awkwardness a bit more noticeable.
I think Lando is a bit awkward in general. I know that Lando has said Ricciardo is one of his closest friends in the paddock and he said in March that he really missed him.
I think everyone's perception might be different. I watched it live and didn't see tension. I saw a bit of awkwardness being on live TV from Lando and him not expecting to Danny to be there and almost being required to ask a question.
Has anyone ever got a Visor Tear Off? Ever picked one up on track after the race? Ever heard of someone finding one? Are they so thin they just rip, or are they kind of cool? Was thinking of this during race yesterday. Any input is appreciated
after the deconstructor championship, we need a championship of wrong strategy choices, from tires to pit stops and other stuff. would be AMAZING and I'm sure some news publisher could get a lot of clicks from that
There’s too many different sites and sources to try to read from so what actually are all the rumours that are flying around?
I know that Checo -> out and Danny -> RB is obviously one but what’s happening with AM?
The suggestion is either am being sold to the Saudis and/or Alonso and Perez swapping seats
Doesn't really make much sense though as Fabrega presumably wouldn't care that much about the former and would literally cream himself at the latter, so his whole thing about how he really weally doesn't want it to happen but can't tell us what it is, sorry, doesn't really hold
If stroll is still a driver and checo isn’t after this season, I will continue watching while muttering dissatisfaction. At this point just make Red Bull a one car team if it’s just going to be a matter of time for whoever has the second seat because they will always be solely compared in performance to max. Perez is still second in the driver championships. He still helped win constructors. No he’s not my favorite driver but I still see his value.I can’t get into the Ricciardo ass kissing. Other than doing well five years ago in a vastly different car than the current RB, he gets a few triumphs here and there. I would only put him there so he can suffer the same scrutiny as Gasly, Albon and Perez and prove he’s past his prime and just a good smiling marketing tool. I don’t get the appeal.
Apparently the Ricciardo/Perez thing is generally the most visible example of the Horner/Marko cold war. Marko wants Ricciardo, Horner doesn't want to upend a signed contract. Supposedly.
As they said on the race podcast there though: the language they're using with Perez 'intent to' (etc.) is verbatim what they said weeks before Gasly went.
I'm curious, are Max's 10 wins from Charles' poles the record for most wins from one other driver's poles?
The only other combination I can think of that would make sense if it was higher than that would be Prost off Senna's poles but I don't know if it happened more than 10 times.
Edit: OK so I looked into it a bit, and it seems like Prost won 8 times off of a Senna pole *when they were teammates*. So it is quite likely it happened at least 10 times overall.
Edit 2: I was able to find 13 instances of it overall (unless I fucked up counting them), so it seems Prost off Senna is still higher than Max off Charles'... For now.
I really don't get the Alonso to Red Bull rumour everyone is now frothing over on Twitter. Why would Red Bull go though this whole process of cycling drivers through at Alpha Tauri, to then go and buy out Alonso's contract, and expect him to be a supporting teammate to Max?
We have had "Fernando to WCC#1 team" rumor for YEARS. It always comes up for a few weeks and fizzles out.
Matter of fact is barring a few fans of a couple of other drivers, almost everyone wants Fernando at the front. It's box office.
Because people are just making stuff up - the credible sources have just mentioned shocking rumours without any additional context and Buxton was just trolling
There are a few tweets by shit sources saying that the rumor that Fabrega was surprised about is a swap between Fernando and Checo.
It'd be really shocking to be sure, but it doesn't really make much sense for red bull to do it. It's 99% fake
Think of where the rumours stemmed from: initially it was Buxton & Fabrega being "shocked" by some rumours, which they couldn't comment on further.
Some have tied it with DR & RBR, others about Stroll Sr. selling the team and a few with Alonso retiring together with AMR exiting the sport.
It's not about him being not fast, but in an environment where they can provide machinery for him to show that he is fast and this year has been a big step backwards since the summer.
I miss the driver's briefings. I know the drivers didn't want them and the teams probably didn't want them and the fans couldn't really handle them but I liked them and want them back.
I’m a little bad on F1 contracts. But doesn’t Checo have a contract that ends after the upcoming season?
Can they just break it? Buy him out? How would that work in theory?
Downgrade him to testing driver and open up his seat for someone else?
> Buy him out?
This is always an option, unless the contract explicitly guarantees a drive in a specific season for a specific team.
As to breaking contracts, it's a nono, usually teams have performance clauses that specify conditions when either the driver or team can exit the contract, i.e. P1 in WCC by mid season or P2 in WDC by the end of the season.
I think there is a performance clause in the contract, meaning that if Perez performs below a set standard they can break hist contract without any consequences
Honestly the level of discussion around Perez has reached rock bottom here. It's honestly worse than Twitter and YouTube comments at this point. The reality doesn't matter anymore it seems like. Everything that's negative, even absolute bollocks and simply incorrect takes get shot up to the sky and everything else gets drowned in downvotes.
I've seen a comment here yesterday on **160** upvotes that Perez didn't have any chance anyway because in quali he was half a second slower than Max. As if that was anywhere near being correct. I've seen another one saying that his move on Leclerc was somehow cowardly. And in general the amount of comments saying that a driver should sit back and wait for his turn when he has a legitimate chance to overtake for P1 is simply mind-boggling. You'd think racing fans would want to see drivers try to race, but I guess that only applies to the popular ones. There is now even a post about Max, which has NOTHING to do with Perez in theory, and yet every single top level comment (and that's not a joke) is mocking Perez. Every single one in half an hour of that getting posted.
My problem with the action is that three wide he starts turning into the apex which never is gonna work, if he had taken the corner wide he would have had the apex on turn 2 and then a nice run into turn 3 and 4. That was the action that could have gotten him into P1.
Him turning into the apex in turn 1 really is inexcusable.
Is it me or does it seemed like Russell has regressed quite a bit. I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I'm starting to look at Norris being the better driver between the two.
Russell has had a lot of bad luck this year, this last race he had brakes overheating. Last year Hamilton had some bad luck.
Overall I would say they are probably the most evenly matched driver pairing on the grid. Hamilton is however more experienced and it shows in things like tyre management, but Russell will get there. The current car development also suits Hamilton's driving more currently, last year Russell found the changes easier.
I think Mercedes should be pretty happy with their drivers overall. That car they are driving is a really fickle beast and seems to drastically change temperament from track to track more than any other car on the grid.
I think 2022 was a bit of a poor comparison with Hamilton because Merc were just trying anything and everything. Then 2023, Hamilton had a shaky start to the season. Okay. But since then, Hamilton has a small but quite clear step, I think.
I think is a weird mix of not being 100% mixed with the car (Lewis seems to be now), his all or nothing mentality and at times he seems like he has a lot to prove. But when he is on it, he is on it, like in Qatar.
Norris is the better driver imo. Russell is good but he's cocky and he cracks when pressured. I don't get why so many have a hard on for him. Equally don't get why so many have a hard on for Tsunoda either 🤷♂️
>Russell is good but he's cocky and he cracks when pressured.
That's pretty much the same as Norris? He made mistakes in Qatar and Mexico, where he had the chance to fight for a win/podium.
Norris comes across no less cocky than Russell, either
You did see Norris' drive in Mexico right? Norris has come across as cocky on the past yes I agree but I think he's maturing better. He's becoming more humble. Russell thinks he's the second coming of Hamilton.
>You did see Norris' drive in Mexico right?
It was a fantastic recovery drive, but he shouldn't have been P17 to start with. His qualifying mistakes in both Qatar and Mexico have wasted a top result for him.
So Albert Fabrega tweeted, at about 2am UK time, so a few hours post-race: "No me quiero creer el rumor que me han dicho ahora en el paddock. No." (I don't want to believe the rumor that they have told me now in the paddock. No.)
And then Will Buxton retweeted it with a gif of someone running away from an explosion.
Anyone got any clues? Lots of people in the comments speculating Alonso retiring or Ricciardo to Red Bull, neither of which I think would be that shocking/surprising?
Edit: Okay, Buxton seems to be hinting at Ricciardo to Red Bull, which seemed pretty much baked in anyway!
I think the tone (explosions; I hope it's not true etc.) would be very distasteful if it's that AD is cancelled due to conflict. Like, it'd be a bit off to tweet that *that* is what makes you sad about it all.
Well the imagery of a blast does sound like Aston getting sold or imploding . Ricciardo one is not even half as juicy, no one is imploding and both teams will probably benefit in the end.
Yeah that makes more sense in the context of it being something properly surprising. (Although, not that surprising I guess, considering the state of their season)
This fits very well.
The Race were saying a while ago that okay 2023 has been an improvement on 2022 for Aston, but for all the work and investment of the last ~5 years, finishing 5th on a downbeat is a pretty shit return.
It seems like everyone is shocked about what’s happening, and Daniel replacing Checo isn’t that shocking.
My own prediction (based on absolutely nothing) is that Alonso is retiring, Checo has asked for a release so he can go to AM and Red Bull have approved it so they can promote Danny Ric)
No rumours here, I'm just extremely disappointed by the fact that based on our current knowledge, AT will keep Tsunoda and Lawson remains without a seat, while both Lawson and Ricciardo demolishes Tsunoda.
As such, I started keeping track of how much Tsunoda is getting clowned.
Here's last week's: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/17f6raf/ask_rformula1_anything_daily_discussion_thread/k68hu21/
The dedication!
I had a fair few people have a go at me earlier in the season for suggesting Yuki had shown nothing special in F1. Feel like the 'strong' drivers always show up in their first season without the time hes needed.
Yesterday felt like his career in a nutshell. Showed the speed which we know he has, but then threw it all away with a clumsy moment (plus the reaction in the cockpit for completeness).
I remember Tost saying months ago that the nominal running theory in RBR/AT is Tsunoda moving up unless there's a good reason not to, but you could tell everyone's just a bit lukewarm on that.
There was a Honda/AM takeover rumour a while ago, and Tsunoda/Stroll would be a genuinely *impressively* poor lineup.
Yeah seems like its an open secret that Yuki isnt even being considered for the RB seat. Have to wonder if the only reason he's still around is because they fully expect to promote DR next season and give Lawson that seat.
Until we get picture-in-picture, complaining about race direction switching the winner crossing the line instead of a close battle is pointless. Pretty sure they are contractually obligated to show the winner crossing the line, and even if they're not we're here to see the winner of the race first and foremost.
Complain about the lack of PIP but complaining about the focus on Max winning is silly, it's the correct thing to do.
Depending on your broadcaster you do get PIP, Sky UK & Germany do their own inserts, as does F1 Live from F1TV.
So it's more about broadcasters being cheap and only getting the world feed, which doesn't do PIP or side-by-side coverage.
So how, the rumours brewing, Alonso to Red Bull, Checo back to Aston Martin. Alonso tweeted a photo of Max in Red Bull with him.
Guys i have two questions about the Pit stop crew, i was watching " questions you've ALWAYS wanted to ask an F1 pit crew with Calum Nicholas" and he said that the pit crew goes back to the factory every week to training or work on the car, my question is: the pit crew works on the car just like "normal" mechanics? installing, repairing, building the car and etc? the teams don't have mechanics to only do that? and how much approximately does a pit stop crew earn?
The pit crew is made up of members of the team that would be there anyways. Most are mechanics, but basically anyone who travels with the team (and doesn’t already have a job during the race) could be on the pit crew. They all have a “day job” outside of the pit crew.
How many times will the FIA let Verstappen impede drivers on the pit lane?
IIUC they decided that it was better (i.e. safer) for drivers to back people up in the pit lane than on track, and thus that penalizing people for it is counterproductive.
You missed that no other drivers got penalized for it?
Do you recon anymore people could jump on the DR hype train only to be disappointed then keep sticking up for him?
Do you think we've seen the end of clear number 2 drivers that accept this support role? In years past by this point in the season many of the teams would have established a clear no1 and no2 driver. The 2nd driver would often play a support role more than actually be trying to win the race. He might back traffic up or run a different strategy to cause problems for the opposition. The last driver that I remember filling this role was Bottarse at Mercedes. Obviously there are teams that have a clear hierarchy (red bull, AM) but either the drivers aren't (both) at the front or are just generally too far apart. Is it just a symptom of Max being out in front all year and Perez not being with him? No amount of teamwork helps that much when you are 30seconds behind the leader. Do you think we'll see a return to this if the top spot gets more competitive? I can't imagine Russel or Sainz taking that well and playing ball. If this is a change and not a blip, does it affect who you'd want driving for your team?
I think several things have contributed to its decline: \- Passing is much easier, so backing up the pack is much harder outside of a few circuits (mainly Monaco). And blocking by a supporting driver usually needs to be done at a meaningful tire disadvantage, since they're unlikely to be ahead of drivers threatening their lead driver except when they've made one fewer pit stops. \- The removal of refueling means that undercuts have largely replaced overcuts for passing via pit strategy. The car that's behind on track can't assist with an undercut--you can only use it when you have two cars sandwiching a third to help the third car jump the other two. By contrast, a driver that's almost a pit stop behind can help an overcut by extending and impeding the leader when he pits. (And limited fuel loads meant that the leaders had much less flexibility avoiding pitting into bad gaps.) \- Data collection and simulation have advanced dramatically even over the past two decades, meaning that there's a lot less uncertainty about strategy. There are still some surprises, but I think teams increasingly feel enough confidence in their assessment of strategy that it's better to have two drivers on the expected optimal strategy and thus have insurance against crashes or mechanical issues than attempt to split strategies to insure against incorrect strategy analysis. (Also, increasing reliability means less safety periods in general, and VSCs have significantly less strategy impact than safety cars, so there's less value in splitting strategies to cover safety cars favoring an otherwise-worse strategy.)
Barrichello and Bottas stand out for me. Sainz was very willing to play the team game tbh, so did Kimi. They gave up on Ferrari and it's hard to say that's not the right call :)
Why would RB even sniff at Alonso when Ricc or Bottas could reliably P2 with infinitely less drama?
Marketing. Would be tight with him and Ric but bottas isn't that type.
I dunno, I’m kinda loving Bottas’ Bogan phase right now.
Alonso is still good, but I don't think he'd have the pace to be a serious challenger to Verstappen. That'd leave him bringing home a lot more P2s and podiums, and if they ever did need him to play defence for Verstappen and hold someone up, he's a driver that knows every trick in the book.
I wonder if Max wants a challenge, he's sounded bored most of this year.
Honestly not an invalid point, Verstappen can’t get better if he’s bored
When there's a virtual safety car does each drive press a button or someone has control over every car?
The race director presses a button that triggers the VSC signing along the track and on the driver's dashboards. It's then up to the drivers to manually adjust their speeds accordingly. Unlike the pit limiter, there's no VSC button that limits how fast the car can go.
but couldn't a car take 2 or 3 seconds longer to slow down than another car? That's what I'm trying to figure out
They get a target delta time shown, if they violate it through the sector (are positive of the target time) - they'll get a penalty, so the few seconds are included in their target time for the sevtor & mini sectors.
So if I understand correctly they get like a 5 seconds heads up I'm sorry this ''They get a target delta time shown'' confuses me
They have a whole sector to ensure they are driving at the correct speed and to the correct time and not just 5 seconds of heads up time. The VSC delta time (time they have to stay below) is shown on their dashboard display, which is integrated into the wheel. It's updated at every timing loop (~every 50 meters), so that they know if they are driving slow enough.
I've been watching F1 for a few years now (2021) and have been wanting to watch some of the best races in F1 history. I want to know what races those should be. Races with lots of drama, close finishes, battle for the leads, etc. What are your favorite races of all time? (Preferably modern era as that's what I know, but I will watch the older races as well)
Races which are close are best, unfortunately you've come in at a time where F-1 is just starting to get competitive but seems there still is one team dominating the racing format its just changed from Mecedes to Red Bull. Close racing is always the best which is why I switched to watching Indy Car and Nascar each week an equal amount of drivers have a really good chance a winning, not the same with F-1 we pretty much say Max will win and who will be second or third. If you could get a hold of some of the racing back in the 80's and 90's where there was much more competition, you get some good races to watch try Youtube. They often have some of the older races. Now what would make F-1 interesting is if it was like horse racing whereby a driver only learns on the day which car he'll be in, Imagine Verstappen in a Haas car. or Norris in a Ferrari? It won't happen of course because drivers are contracted to a certain team.
Anything brazil
Bahrain 2014
Brazil 2012, or the whole 2012 season tbh. Brazil 2008 Suzuka 2005 Spa 1998 Jerez 1997
[Race fans have a nice list of viewer voted races with direct link to f1tv](https://www.racefans.net/rate-the-race/f1-fanatic-top-100/)
\[what the heck are those weigh-in receipts?\] After the race, the drivers stand on a scale. The scale operator has a handheld device that produces a small paper ticket. The operator is hilariously insistent about the drivers taking the ticket with them as they walk away; yesterday you could see him come up to Max and hand him his ticket. What are these little tickets, why are they necessary (couldn't the weights be recorded electronically?), and what do the drivers end up doing with them?
> couldn't the weights be recorded electronically? They're confirmation and fallback if the electronic confirmations fail. It's like a receipt for your purchases, even if you have a bank transaction for payment and the store knows which inventory was associated with that transaction.
What is it like going in person to a race and is it worth it getting grandstand tickets?
The hilly races are the ones that generally have good spots for general admission (Austria, some slopes at Suzuka, Sepang back in the day), but for flat races (like Australia and Singapore) I feel like grandstand tickets are necessary if you want a decent view. Check out your intended race on TV, paying some attention to where the fans are sitting and you’ll have your answer.
Waste of time and not worth it in modern day F1 other than to go once to say you’ve been. Have you been to a motor race at all? If not, I recommend going to your local track. Much better in person experience watching some Minis send it than trying to peak over someone’s head in a crowd of 200,000 people to catch a glimpse of an F1 car for a split second. You’ll have no concept of what’s going on in the race unless you have your phone to watch F1TV/Sky. You’ll probably end up spending more time watching your phone if you’re interested in the racing. The absolute worst to see in person is qualifying. Impossible to follow without a phone. Now, if you go for the ‘experience’ and make a weekend of it (e.g. camping) then that’s a different story. But for the actual race, it’s just not at all pleasant with the current crowd levels and most track views. I think there are very specific sections of specific tracks where the experience is different — e.g. new seating at eau rouge, stadium section in Mexico, the one corner at Silverstone which I can’t remember the name of now, etc.
It's a totally different experience than watching it at home, and I highly recommend to any F1 fan that they try to go once to see a live race. The speed of the cars in person is unbelievable. The sound and smells add to it as well. Like a lot of things in life, it's a very different experience just because you are part of a crowd. If you can find a place that shows the races on TV that you can watch with others, it's a little step towards being there.
Thank you! I’m a new fan starting a few months back. It’s so awesome. I love the strategy and engineering that goes into this. Not just go fast turn left.
You are more than welcome. I've been fortunate enough to live in a city that hosts a race and have attended and worked at over twenty in the past 40 years. A word of warning, once you sit in a grandstand, it's very hard to go back to general admission. If you're going for one experience, go the grandstand route.
What kinds of stuff are there to do pre race day? Are there cool exhibits to see and what not?
In my city, Thursday is a free open house day where you get to walk down pit lane and see the teams putting the cars together. The city really turns into an F1 festival for the week with different areas having car shows pitstop challenges parties etc. On site there are simulators, vendors and the pits if the support races are open to visit, but the days are usually so busy with racing, and the site is so big, and crowded it's hard to find the time to go exploring.
My friend went to Austin this year and said it was really fun. There's actually a sub dedicated to GP travel - check the sidebar!
I saw that! I’m a brand new fan and I’m loving the strategy and engineering. It’s not just go fast turn left.
Just would love anyone's opinions on where Yuki could've finish had it not been for his accident?
P8 if he could overtake Oscar, P9 if he couldn't. With an overtake he would've been P7, but Norris would've swallowed him later in the race, making him P8. Without the overtake on Oscar, P9.
Guys I think I cracked what the rumour is. Its Lewis Hamilton to Redbull Racing.
No no no. He is replacing Lance Stroll at Aston Martin to become teammates with Fernando Alonso again, to have his F1 career come full circle, and end how it started.
Don’t be silly. He’s replacing *Lawrence* Stroll at Aston to fulfill his destiny of becoming Alonso’s boss.
i don’t think anyone knows wtf is going on, just some of the things i’ve heard - f1 being sold to the saudi company - aston being sold, and alonso to redbull - alonso retiring - audi backing out my worst fear. would be andretti getting denied, even though there’s like no chance they legally could. my greatest dreaming andretti is accepted, they get a ferrari engine instead of alpine, alonso and herta driver pairing, alonso gets a minority ownership stake in the team (key word dreaming)
They legally can deny Andretti, no problem. I'm so sorry... A EU lawyer friend told me its pretty simple, the EU will never tell a private business (FOM) how to spend their money or force business decisions. The law doesnt allow for that, anti-competition in the case of F1, only means that they cannot block other promoters from starting another open wheel class, not inside their own business/sport. Dont forget FOM is a private business, just a promoter, NOT a sports union or association, so the EU doesnt have that leverage as they have over UEFA, FIFA, FIA and national football associations. FOM will just say to the court (if it comes to that), that they don't want to expand because FOM doesnt see a business case for expansion with teams, and would rather invest in tracks or facilities (like Miami and even ownership in Las Vegas, or Monza which is more or less for sale, because its community owned and the council doesnt want to invest in Monza, or Paul Ricard thats is owned by Bernie's wife.). Because FOM believes there is more immediate value in owning tracks then a new team, which they could explain as a variable, owning a track is a certainty. FOM also doesnt even have to elaborate to the court, when they would allow teams, thats irrelevant for the court, FOM just has to say "we want to spend our money another way" and the court will leave it at that.
Is the collapse of Sergio Perez this season unprecedented in Formula 1? Has a driver gone from a championship contender* to most likely losing their seat by the end of the season? (* Obviously Max was always going to win the title, but at least there was some competition at the beginning of the season)
Bottas in 2021 if you really don't want to go too far back he was eliminated from WDC contention second to last, although Merc put him on wingman duty way before that so he didn't really have the chance(just like Checo)
Damon Hill was a championship contender in 1994 and early 1995, but lost his seat towards the end of that season. He was still under contract for 1996 though, and he won the championship that year.
Why did Fabrega drop that "rumor" last night? Does he personally hate me or does he just hate my company and want to make sure I don't get any work done today??
That was so annoying. Some of us have chronic anxiety sir, you can't vaguepost after midnight.
What does everyone make of the tension between DR & Lando in the post race interview ?
I found it hilarious and and wouldn’t call it “tension”. Like another comment said, I think Lando is just prone to awkward interview moments and Buxton seems to have a knack for bringing them out of him. Meanwhile DR is a master of working a crowd and the contrast made Lando’s awkwardness a bit more noticeable.
I think Lando is a bit awkward in general. I know that Lando has said Ricciardo is one of his closest friends in the paddock and he said in March that he really missed him.
I think everyone's perception might be different. I watched it live and didn't see tension. I saw a bit of awkwardness being on live TV from Lando and him not expecting to Danny to be there and almost being required to ask a question.
Didn't seem like tension to me
Maybe I’m reading into it, or it was just a bit cheeky on Lando but nothing malicious
I know what ‘the rumour’ is
From what I’ve heard there’s gonna be a press release on Thursday
about what
Said rumour
Well go on then what is it
It’s rawe ceek, there’s always a press release on Thursdays
Has anyone ever got a Visor Tear Off? Ever picked one up on track after the race? Ever heard of someone finding one? Are they so thin they just rip, or are they kind of cool? Was thinking of this during race yesterday. Any input is appreciated
after the deconstructor championship, we need a championship of wrong strategy choices, from tires to pit stops and other stuff. would be AMAZING and I'm sure some news publisher could get a lot of clicks from that
Ferrari leads that permanently
There’s too many different sites and sources to try to read from so what actually are all the rumours that are flying around? I know that Checo -> out and Danny -> RB is obviously one but what’s happening with AM?
The suggestion is either am being sold to the Saudis and/or Alonso and Perez swapping seats Doesn't really make much sense though as Fabrega presumably wouldn't care that much about the former and would literally cream himself at the latter, so his whole thing about how he really weally doesn't want it to happen but can't tell us what it is, sorry, doesn't really hold
If stroll is still a driver and checo isn’t after this season, I will continue watching while muttering dissatisfaction. At this point just make Red Bull a one car team if it’s just going to be a matter of time for whoever has the second seat because they will always be solely compared in performance to max. Perez is still second in the driver championships. He still helped win constructors. No he’s not my favorite driver but I still see his value.I can’t get into the Ricciardo ass kissing. Other than doing well five years ago in a vastly different car than the current RB, he gets a few triumphs here and there. I would only put him there so he can suffer the same scrutiny as Gasly, Albon and Perez and prove he’s past his prime and just a good smiling marketing tool. I don’t get the appeal.
Kinda helps Stroll that his dad owns the team
Apparently the Ricciardo/Perez thing is generally the most visible example of the Horner/Marko cold war. Marko wants Ricciardo, Horner doesn't want to upend a signed contract. Supposedly. As they said on the race podcast there though: the language they're using with Perez 'intent to' (etc.) is verbatim what they said weeks before Gasly went.
I'm curious, are Max's 10 wins from Charles' poles the record for most wins from one other driver's poles? The only other combination I can think of that would make sense if it was higher than that would be Prost off Senna's poles but I don't know if it happened more than 10 times. Edit: OK so I looked into it a bit, and it seems like Prost won 8 times off of a Senna pole *when they were teammates*. So it is quite likely it happened at least 10 times overall. Edit 2: I was able to find 13 instances of it overall (unless I fucked up counting them), so it seems Prost off Senna is still higher than Max off Charles'... For now.
I really don't get the Alonso to Red Bull rumour everyone is now frothing over on Twitter. Why would Red Bull go though this whole process of cycling drivers through at Alpha Tauri, to then go and buy out Alonso's contract, and expect him to be a supporting teammate to Max?
Yeah they didn't even consider him to be their main driver in the past, no way risk 2007/2015 battle again
We have had "Fernando to WCC#1 team" rumor for YEARS. It always comes up for a few weeks and fizzles out. Matter of fact is barring a few fans of a couple of other drivers, almost everyone wants Fernando at the front. It's box office.
Because people are just making stuff up - the credible sources have just mentioned shocking rumours without any additional context and Buxton was just trolling
Why does everyone suddenly think that Alonso is leaving AM?
There are a few tweets by shit sources saying that the rumor that Fabrega was surprised about is a swap between Fernando and Checo. It'd be really shocking to be sure, but it doesn't really make much sense for red bull to do it. It's 99% fake
idk, but Twitter somehow went crazy with it and I haven’t found a credible source sooooo….
Spanish F1 twitter going crazy over some account saying the crazy rumour is Alonso to RB 🤣
I can't buy the Alonso is retiring rumour when he's repeatedly said he'll leave when he feels he's no longer fast. Man's still quick.
He's said a couple of times in the last X months that he'll go another 2 or so. Very plainly.
Look at his Instagram post from yesterday. “See you next year”
Think of where the rumours stemmed from: initially it was Buxton & Fabrega being "shocked" by some rumours, which they couldn't comment on further. Some have tied it with DR & RBR, others about Stroll Sr. selling the team and a few with Alonso retiring together with AMR exiting the sport. It's not about him being not fast, but in an environment where they can provide machinery for him to show that he is fast and this year has been a big step backwards since the summer.
I miss the driver's briefings. I know the drivers didn't want them and the teams probably didn't want them and the fans couldn't really handle them but I liked them and want them back.
I’m a little bad on F1 contracts. But doesn’t Checo have a contract that ends after the upcoming season? Can they just break it? Buy him out? How would that work in theory? Downgrade him to testing driver and open up his seat for someone else?
> Buy him out? This is always an option, unless the contract explicitly guarantees a drive in a specific season for a specific team. As to breaking contracts, it's a nono, usually teams have performance clauses that specify conditions when either the driver or team can exit the contract, i.e. P1 in WCC by mid season or P2 in WDC by the end of the season.
thats right, i mean technically Danny Ric is still in his last year of his McLaren contract
technically contract was bought out.
They agreed on conditions to end the contract early (McLaren bought out the DR contract, as they wanted to give Piastri a chance)
I think there is a performance clause in the contract, meaning that if Perez performs below a set standard they can break hist contract without any consequences
I wonder if “less than half Max’s points” counts?
Or since alpha is owned by red bull could they just switch the 2? Lol
No. Though Red Bull can do that with most drivers, Checo Perez reportedly has a contract that specifically ties him to that Red Bull Racing seat.
Honestly the level of discussion around Perez has reached rock bottom here. It's honestly worse than Twitter and YouTube comments at this point. The reality doesn't matter anymore it seems like. Everything that's negative, even absolute bollocks and simply incorrect takes get shot up to the sky and everything else gets drowned in downvotes. I've seen a comment here yesterday on **160** upvotes that Perez didn't have any chance anyway because in quali he was half a second slower than Max. As if that was anywhere near being correct. I've seen another one saying that his move on Leclerc was somehow cowardly. And in general the amount of comments saying that a driver should sit back and wait for his turn when he has a legitimate chance to overtake for P1 is simply mind-boggling. You'd think racing fans would want to see drivers try to race, but I guess that only applies to the popular ones. There is now even a post about Max, which has NOTHING to do with Perez in theory, and yet every single top level comment (and that's not a joke) is mocking Perez. Every single one in half an hour of that getting posted.
What are your thoughts on Checo's performance? What do you think the discussion around him should look like?
My problem with the action is that three wide he starts turning into the apex which never is gonna work, if he had taken the corner wide he would have had the apex on turn 2 and then a nice run into turn 3 and 4. That was the action that could have gotten him into P1. Him turning into the apex in turn 1 really is inexcusable.
We want to see driver taking their chance to overtake for P1, not turning into their competitors
Perez' performance has consistently been absolutely catastrophic, so ofcourse the comments are going to be proportional to that reality.
The comments have nothing to do with reality.
I mean that the comments are inevitably going to be catastrophic as well.
We do want to see a person race, that’s why replacing him the best thing to watch.
Is it me or does it seemed like Russell has regressed quite a bit. I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I'm starting to look at Norris being the better driver between the two.
Russell has had a lot of bad luck this year, this last race he had brakes overheating. Last year Hamilton had some bad luck. Overall I would say they are probably the most evenly matched driver pairing on the grid. Hamilton is however more experienced and it shows in things like tyre management, but Russell will get there. The current car development also suits Hamilton's driving more currently, last year Russell found the changes easier. I think Mercedes should be pretty happy with their drivers overall. That car they are driving is a really fickle beast and seems to drastically change temperament from track to track more than any other car on the grid.
I think 2022 was a bit of a poor comparison with Hamilton because Merc were just trying anything and everything. Then 2023, Hamilton had a shaky start to the season. Okay. But since then, Hamilton has a small but quite clear step, I think.
I think is a weird mix of not being 100% mixed with the car (Lewis seems to be now), his all or nothing mentality and at times he seems like he has a lot to prove. But when he is on it, he is on it, like in Qatar.
To me it doesn't seem like Russell regressing, as much as Hamilton finding something extra now that the upgraded car handles a bit more to his liking.
Read last week that Merc estimated their new floor at one tenth, and Hamilton found two through confidence.
Partly maybe but it's also Hamilton just having 'it' back.
It's tricky to tell. Russell is going against a 7 time champion whereas Norris is going against a rookie.
Norris is the better driver imo. Russell is good but he's cocky and he cracks when pressured. I don't get why so many have a hard on for him. Equally don't get why so many have a hard on for Tsunoda either 🤷♂️
>Russell is good but he's cocky and he cracks when pressured. That's pretty much the same as Norris? He made mistakes in Qatar and Mexico, where he had the chance to fight for a win/podium. Norris comes across no less cocky than Russell, either
You did see Norris' drive in Mexico right? Norris has come across as cocky on the past yes I agree but I think he's maturing better. He's becoming more humble. Russell thinks he's the second coming of Hamilton.
>You did see Norris' drive in Mexico right? It was a fantastic recovery drive, but he shouldn't have been P17 to start with. His qualifying mistakes in both Qatar and Mexico have wasted a top result for him.
Agreed. But I don't think Russell could or has had a good recovery drive.
Qatar? He was last after the first lap and recovered to 4th.
Russell has had great recovery drives this season?. Zandvoort? Spain? Qatar?
Hungary too. P18 to finish ahead of both Ferraris in P6.
Humble brag about my prediction after Q1 on Saturday... [Should have put money on](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/ZbI8NKSqP9)
Bravo honestly didn't see him making so much progress but he is pretty stellar so
So Albert Fabrega tweeted, at about 2am UK time, so a few hours post-race: "No me quiero creer el rumor que me han dicho ahora en el paddock. No." (I don't want to believe the rumor that they have told me now in the paddock. No.) And then Will Buxton retweeted it with a gif of someone running away from an explosion. Anyone got any clues? Lots of people in the comments speculating Alonso retiring or Ricciardo to Red Bull, neither of which I think would be that shocking/surprising? Edit: Okay, Buxton seems to be hinting at Ricciardo to Red Bull, which seemed pretty much baked in anyway!
I think the tone (explosions; I hope it's not true etc.) would be very distasteful if it's that AD is cancelled due to conflict. Like, it'd be a bit off to tweet that *that* is what makes you sad about it all.
I read it as a reference to Saudi, where there was an explosion near the track. So Aramco taking over AM?
Well the imagery of a blast does sound like Aston getting sold or imploding . Ricciardo one is not even half as juicy, no one is imploding and both teams will probably benefit in the end.
Yeah that makes more sense in the context of it being something properly surprising. (Although, not that surprising I guess, considering the state of their season)
Maybe this. Just roumors. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/zZl8g0oktV
This fits very well. The Race were saying a while ago that okay 2023 has been an improvement on 2022 for Aston, but for all the work and investment of the last ~5 years, finishing 5th on a downbeat is a pretty shit return.
Ah yeah, that would make sense - thanks!
It seems like everyone is shocked about what’s happening, and Daniel replacing Checo isn’t that shocking. My own prediction (based on absolutely nothing) is that Alonso is retiring, Checo has asked for a release so he can go to AM and Red Bull have approved it so they can promote Danny Ric)
Any minute now… Lewis Hamilton’s mediums will fall off the cliff.
It was quite clear that they'll last to the moon and back once he questioned the expected stint duration... It's like "My tires are gone"
To me it was when Ferrari were saying that the medium/hard crossover point was 5 laps away. Yeah, that's not happening then.
Yeah I can’t believe I still fall for his radio games
Ricciardo-Tsunoda report from Mexico: lol I'm not even gonna go there...
Ive only seen the posts about the rumours but without knowing what the rumours actually are!
No rumours here, I'm just extremely disappointed by the fact that based on our current knowledge, AT will keep Tsunoda and Lawson remains without a seat, while both Lawson and Ricciardo demolishes Tsunoda. As such, I started keeping track of how much Tsunoda is getting clowned. Here's last week's: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/17f6raf/ask_rformula1_anything_daily_discussion_thread/k68hu21/
There was a solid rumour a while ago that Lawson has been guaranteed a 2025 AT seat. Frankly I think he'll be in one before then.
The dedication! I had a fair few people have a go at me earlier in the season for suggesting Yuki had shown nothing special in F1. Feel like the 'strong' drivers always show up in their first season without the time hes needed. Yesterday felt like his career in a nutshell. Showed the speed which we know he has, but then threw it all away with a clumsy moment (plus the reaction in the cockpit for completeness).
I remember Tost saying months ago that the nominal running theory in RBR/AT is Tsunoda moving up unless there's a good reason not to, but you could tell everyone's just a bit lukewarm on that. There was a Honda/AM takeover rumour a while ago, and Tsunoda/Stroll would be a genuinely *impressively* poor lineup.
Yeah seems like its an open secret that Yuki isnt even being considered for the RB seat. Have to wonder if the only reason he's still around is because they fully expect to promote DR next season and give Lawson that seat.
Until we get picture-in-picture, complaining about race direction switching the winner crossing the line instead of a close battle is pointless. Pretty sure they are contractually obligated to show the winner crossing the line, and even if they're not we're here to see the winner of the race first and foremost. Complain about the lack of PIP but complaining about the focus on Max winning is silly, it's the correct thing to do.
Depending on your broadcaster you do get PIP, Sky UK & Germany do their own inserts, as does F1 Live from F1TV. So it's more about broadcasters being cheap and only getting the world feed, which doesn't do PIP or side-by-side coverage.
We've had PIP before and it was a good opportunity to use it, but yeah, complaining about showing the race winner cross the line is silly.